Time Nick Message 00:13 cait ok, really really time to sleep - good night all :) 00:13 chris night 00:16 * druthb is gonna head out, too. still cranking on indexing, so I think I'm gonna goof off a while. 02:46 Silens http://www.isbn.org/converterpub.asp 02:47 Silens Sorry, I posted the link in the wrong channel. 03:03 Brooke kia ora 03:15 * Brooke waves to glernil 03:15 glernil good day from the philippines! 03:15 Brooke :) 03:17 * Brooke beams at spelling kaitiaki without a blink of the eye 03:21 chris heya 03:21 chris about to push our first unit test! 03:21 * Brooke salutes Chris 03:24 CIA-1 Koha: 03joseph.zachariah.sim 07new/bug_5327 * rv3.02.00-527-g53a301b 10/ (C4/Koha.pm t/Koha.t): Bug 5327 - Adding UNIT Tests. 03:24 munin 04Bug http://bugs.koha-community.org/bugzilla3/show_bug.cgi?id=5327 enhancement, P5, ---, gmcharlt, NEW, Unit tests required for all C4 modules 03:30 hudsonbot Starting build 291 for job Koha_Master (previous build: SUCCESS) 03:34 munin New commit(s) kohagit: Bug 5327 - Adding UNIT Tests. <http://git.koha-community.org/gitweb/?p=koha.git;a=commitdiff;h=53a301b8f20ba285c8e483aa6d5a3b2539380ccb> 03:53 hudsonbot Project Koha_Master build #291: SUCCESS in 23 min: http://hudson.koha-community.org/job/Koha_Master/291/ 03:53 hudsonbot Zach Sim: Bug 5327 - Adding UNIT Tests. 03:53 * Silens shouts YAY! 03:59 Brooke hmmm, disentangling this planning bs requires more chocolate... 04:03 chris day 1, and 1 unit test already, thats what i was aiming for, for the whole week 04:05 * Brooke wants some absinthe. 04:07 * chris goes to catch bus 04:08 Brooke cheers 04:11 * ibeardsle wanders away for the day happy with the success of the Academy students. 04:11 Brooke :) 04:11 Brooke may their minds be poisoned 04:12 Brooke err voluntarily turned towards cooperative enterprises for the betterment of society. 04:12 ibeardsle have you seen the comuterworld article on the academy? 04:13 Brooke mebbe 04:13 ibeardsle especially one person's comments 04:13 Brooke Chris was doing a fair bit o braggin. 04:13 * Brooke 's mind is mush at the moment. 04:13 Brooke I'm just glad it exists 04:14 ibeardsle the mind? yeah they are handy 04:14 Brooke were you here for Cait and I getting extremely jealous of the Academy kids? 04:14 ibeardsle when was that? today? 04:14 Oak \o 04:14 Brooke hi Oak 04:14 Brooke nah this was a good bit ago 04:14 Oak hiya Brooke, long time 04:14 * Brooke is a tosser. 04:15 ibeardsle Brooke: nah, I've only popped into this channel today 04:15 Brooke well drop by more often 04:15 Oak WerdNet says tosser means jerk-off (?) 04:15 Brooke yep 04:16 Brooke that is exactly it more or less 04:16 Brooke I *ought* to have been looking at this stuff sooner 04:16 Oak cool 04:16 Brooke but I wanted to see if inspiration would rescue me 04:16 Brooke (didn't) 04:17 ibeardsle the white knight of inspiration failed eh? 04:18 Brooke mustn't sneak "Participation is not for the faint of heart" in here... 04:18 Brooke ha if only inspiration were a man 04:18 Brooke that'd make things easy. 04:19 ibeardsle heh 04:20 ibeardsle one of the students was talking about trying to work through a couple of test tonight .. that's the sort of inspiration that people can take heart in 04:20 Brooke :) 04:20 Brooke indeed 04:30 * chris catches up on mail on the bus 04:38 * Brooke waves to chilts 05:09 Brooke hi folks 05:10 Amit hi Brooke 05:14 Brooke how's it going Amit? 05:16 Amit Brooke everything is fine here what about u? 05:17 * Brooke is mashing the keyboard vainly hoping that Shakespeare comes out. 05:26 Brooke YES 05:26 Brooke finally 05:26 Brooke the bs is coming :D 05:57 Brooke goodnight #koha 06:07 Silens /nickserv identify 06:26 chris right now to test out the new unit test 06:29 * chris refactors C4::Koha 06:37 chris im going to intentionally cause some test to fail, so students can fix it tomorrow 06:41 Amit heya chris 06:42 chris hi Amit 06:43 CIA-1 Koha: 03colin.campbell 07new/bug_5403 * rv3.02.00-528-g3e19dd7 10/C4/ (Biblio.pm Koha.pm): Bug 5403 Remove DisplayISBN and GetPublisherNameFromIsbn 06:43 munin 04Bug http://bugs.koha-community.org/bugzilla3/show_bug.cgi?id=5403 minor, PATCH-Sent, ---, gmcharlt, NEW, C4::Koha::DisplayISBN should be wrapper for Business::ISBN->as_string 06:45 chris hiya cait 06:45 cait morning chris :) 06:45 cait patches! :) 06:45 hudsonbot Starting build 292 for job Koha_Master (previous build: SUCCESS) 06:46 munin New commit(s) kohagit: Bug 5403 Remove DisplayISBN and GetPublisherNameFromIsbn <http://git.koha-community.org/gitweb/?p=koha.git;a=commitdiff;h=a61db4986d7635e2eadb32f4df7332261e773826> 06:47 chris this patch should break a unit test, which is by design, so I can use that as a teaching tool for tomorrow 06:50 cait :) 06:50 cait wish I could be there 07:08 cait @wunder Konstanz 07:08 munin cait: The current temperature in Konstanz, Germany is -1.0�C (8:00 AM CET on January 17, 2011). Conditions: Fog. Humidity: 97%. Dew Point: -1.0�C. Pressure: 30.40 in 1029 hPa (Falling). 07:08 hudsonbot Project Koha_Master build #292: UNSTABLE in 23 min: http://hudson.koha-community.org/job/Koha_Master/292/ 07:08 hudsonbot Colin Campbell: Bug 5403 Remove DisplayISBN and GetPublisherNameFromIsbn 07:08 cait very foggy outside 07:12 cait hope I don't get lost - bye chris :) 07:13 chris cya cait 07:52 CIA-1 Koha: 03dpavlin 07new/bug_4920 * rv3.02.00-529-g7fd0628 10/koha-tmpl/intranet-tmpl/prog/en/modules/acqui/neworderempty.tmpl: Bug 4920 - neworderempty.tmpl shouldn't call calcNeworderTotal() onload 07:52 munin 04Bug http://bugs.koha-community.org/bugzilla3/show_bug.cgi?id=4920 minor, PATCH-Sent, ---, henridamien, ASSIGNED, neworderempty.tmpl shouldn't call calcNeworderTotal() onload 07:58 chris hi hdl 07:58 CIA-1 Koha: 03chrisc 07kcmaster * rv3.02.00-530-geae38fa 10/docs/history.txt: Adding a new developer to the history 07:58 hdl hi chris 08:07 munin New commit(s) kohagit: Adding a new developer to the history <http://git.koha-community.org/gitweb/?p=koha.git;a=commitdiff;h=eae38fa6800454db627c4ab7e5a50ec17f42e018> / Bug 4920 - neworderempty.tmpl shouldn't call calcNeworderTotal() onload <http://git.koha-community.org/gitweb/?p=koha.git;a=commitdiff;h=7fd062814dc402f0ef843651cd761733e3383fef> 08:15 hudsonbot Starting build 293 for job Koha_Master (previous build: UNSTABLE -- last SUCCESS #291 4 hr 44 min ago) 08:22 CIA-1 Koha: 03colin.campbell 07new/bug_5026 * rv3.02.00-531-g64e8297 10/ (3 files in 2 dirs): Bug 5026 Undefined dates formatted poorly in serials-edit 08:22 munin 04Bug http://bugs.koha-community.org/bugzilla3/show_bug.cgi?id=5026 normal, PATCH-Sent, ---, colin.campbell, ASSIGNED, Undefined dates not formatted in serials update 08:24 magnus kia ora, #koha 08:24 hdl hi magnus 08:24 chris hi magnus 08:24 magnus bonjour hdl 08:24 magnus ata marie chris 08:28 magnus 125 developers - woohoo! ;-) 08:29 hdl 125 persons which code got into Koha. 08:30 chris is that really a distinction worth making? 08:37 hdl in my opinion, it is a big distinction. 08:38 hudsonbot Project Koha_Master build #293: STILL UNSTABLE in 22 min: http://hudson.koha-community.org/job/Koha_Master/293/ 08:38 hudsonbot * Dobrica Pavlinusic: Bug 4920 - neworderempty.tmpl shouldn't call calcNeworderTotal() onload 08:38 hudsonbot * Chris Cormack: Adding a new developer to the history 08:38 chris hdl: how do you qualify a developer? 08:39 chris who is the judge? 08:39 hdl to me distinction is between active and historical developers. 08:40 hdl I donot judge. 08:40 hdl Nahuel is now historical developer for instance. 08:40 chris doesnt make him not a developer 08:42 hdl I donot say he is not. 08:42 hdl I say he has been. 08:43 chris ahh you didnt make that clear, you said we didnt have 125 developers, (note no one said active) you said we had 125 people who got code into koha, implying that some of them were not developers 08:44 hdl I never said that. 08:44 hdl I said that they once got code into Koha... 08:45 hdl tmpl_process has been committed by someone once, but maintenance was done on that by other folks afterwards. 08:45 chris ok im bored of arguing 08:46 chris 21:29 < magnus> 125 developers - woohoo! ;-) 08:46 chris 21:30 < hdl> 125 persons which code got into Koha. 08:46 hdl I am not arguing 08:51 kf good mornign #koha 08:53 magnus guten morgen kf! 08:57 kf hi magnus :) 09:20 kf hi dabi 09:20 kf hi davi 09:20 davi hi kf 09:23 chris marcelr: theres something a bit weird with the last patch you sent 09:24 chris did you mean to base64 encode it? 09:30 pastebot "chris" at 203.97.214.51 pasted "Bug 5399 Patch wont apply" (8 lines) at http://paste.koha-community.org/122 09:30 munin 04Bug http://bugs.koha-community.org/bugzilla3/show_bug.cgi?id=5399 trivial, PATCH-Sent, ---, gmcharlt, ASSIGNED, remove useless eval 'use C4::Foo' 09:31 marcelr chris: i will check 09:45 marcelr chris: sent it again; removed some weird chars; again had a problem with the cc to galen in git send-email 09:47 chris oh? what did it do? 09:47 marcelr complaining about gmcharlt at gmail although i edited that 09:52 CIA-1 Koha: 03gmcharlt 07new/bug_5399 * rv3.02.00-532-g4532ca7 10/acqui/ (addorderiso2709.pl basketgroup.pl): Bug 5399: remove useless eval 'use C4::Foo' 09:52 munin 04Bug http://bugs.koha-community.org/bugzilla3/show_bug.cgi?id=5399 trivial, PATCH-Sent, ---, gmcharlt, ASSIGNED, remove useless eval 'use C4::Foo' 09:53 CIA-1 Koha: 03chrisc 07new/bug_5399 * rv3.02.00-533-g12741cf 10/acqui/basketgroup.pl: Bug 5399: Follow up style patch, moving exits out of subroutine 10:07 munin New commit(s) kohagit: Bug 5399: Follow up style patch, moving exits out of subroutine <http://git.koha-community.org/gitweb/?p=koha.git;a=commitdiff;h=12741cfafa7513ee7b4627863c18346cb8507873> / Bug 5399: remove useless eval 'use C4::Foo' <http://git.koha-community.org/gitweb/?p=koha.git;a=commitdiff;h=4532ca70bc5842667c6ff53d9fec5d7e7b4f4317> / Bug 5026 Undefined dates formatted poorly in serials-edit <http://git.koha-community.org/gitweb/?p=koh 10:15 hudsonbot Starting build 294 for job Koha_Master (previous build: STILL UNSTABLE -- last SUCCESS #291 6 hr 45 min ago) 10:15 kf monday++ 10:24 kf @quote random 10:24 munin kf: Quote #10: "< pianohacker> You helped start an open source project; clearly your sense of what to avoid to make your life easier has been impaired for a while :)" (added by chris at 07:59 PM, June 23, 2009) 10:25 magnus hehe 10:39 hudsonbot Project Koha_Master build #294: STILL UNSTABLE in 24 min: http://hudson.koha-community.org/job/Koha_Master/294/ 10:39 hudsonbot * Colin Campbell: Bug 5026 Undefined dates formatted poorly in serials-edit 10:39 hudsonbot * Galen Charlton: Bug 5399: remove useless eval 'use C4::Foo' 10:39 hudsonbot * Chris Cormack: Bug 5399: Follow up style patch, moving exits out of subroutine 10:41 kf Amit: around? 10:49 wasabi magnus: how is your 2.2 upgrade going? 10:50 magnus wasabi: all my upgrades to 3.2.2 were successful, thanks! 10:50 magnus i think kf still have some to do 10:50 wasabi oh my, what a clever man! 10:50 wasabi i just did one yesterday too 10:51 wasabi i am going to write my notes down somewhere, berfore i forget them again 10:52 wasabi we should compare our methods 10:52 wasabi 2.2 upgrades are a black-art 10:53 kf we are only upgrading from 3.1.61 - so it's quite easy 10:53 kf perfect updatedatabase protocol :) 10:56 magnus ah, sorry wasabi, i thought you meant 3.2... stupid me. 10:57 magnus i'm doing one from 2.2.9 to 3.2.2 where i'm only moving patrons, records and subscription info 10:57 magnus i'm having some issues with the records, encodings to be presice... 10:58 wasabi gotcha 10:58 wasabi yes, they can be very tricky 10:59 wasabi yaz-iconv is a good tool, for that 10:59 magnus and they want some information to be moved from one field to another while we are at it 10:59 magnus a ha, i havn't looked at that 11:00 magnus looks really cool 11:00 magnus http://www.indexdata.com/yaz/doc/yaz-iconv.html 11:01 wasabi im a bit rusty on encoding debugging, and didnt write to much down :/ 11:02 wasabi i would try this script 1st…. 11:02 wasabi perl ./misc/migration_tools/22_to_30/move_marc_to_biblioitems.pl 11:02 wasabi … to build the bi.marcxml stuff 11:03 wasabi from your 2.2 marc_subfield_table 11:03 wasabi then take a look at what you've got 11:03 magnus :-) 11:04 magnus so far i have tried to export the records from 2.2.9, mangle them with scripts and MarcEdit and then import into 3.2.x - with mixed results 11:05 magnus i think it mostly worked the last time i tried, but then i noticed some "clipped" fields in the most recent records - i wonder if that is double encoded utf8 or summat... 11:06 wasabi does the 2.2 bib data look ok? 11:06 wasabi or is it mangled too? 11:08 wasabi have you tried this method? 11:08 wasabi http://wiki.koha-community.org/wiki/Upgrading_2.2 11:08 wasabi perl ./installer/data/mysql/update22to30.pl 11:09 wasabi perl ./misc/migration_tools/22_to_30/move_marc_to_biblioitems.pl 11:09 wasabi 1st script switches the tables to utf8 11:09 wasabi 2nd script, builds bi.marcxml from marc_subfield_table 11:10 wasabi this method has been working good well, for me 11:10 magnus the first thing i tried was to upgrade everything with the scripts, yes, but i ran into some trouble there, don't really recall what kind though... 11:12 wasabi ok, i would concentrate on re-testing that method 11:14 wasabi you may be creating encoding problems with your own marc-record creation process 11:20 magnus yeah, that's why i switched to marcedit (on windows, *shudders*) 11:22 wasabi ive never used it, and haven't needed to 11:25 wasabi ive never hit a bib-encoding problem i couldnt fix, using cmdline tools on a debian box 11:34 magnus wasabi: good on you! if you'd like to document any tips and tricks on the wiki or something i'd be all ears! ;-) 11:39 magnus hiya ivanc and druthb 11:39 druthb hi, magnus! 11:40 kf hi druthb :) 11:40 druthb :) 11:40 * druthb pulls out a celebratory box of cookies, and shares. 11:44 wasabi magnus: yes, i hope to do this 11:44 kf druthb: do you one with lots of chocolate in htere? 11:45 magnus druthb: what are we celebrating? 11:45 druthb yes, kf. there are some chocolate-chunk ones in there. 11:45 magnus wasabi: i know time is always an issue, but it would be really good to have 11:45 druthb two go-lives this weekend. 11:45 magnus ah, cool! 11:45 kf do we need the 'sex' field in koha's borrower table for something? is it required? 11:46 kf mmmh 11:46 magnus kf: i have been asking myself the same question re the "ethnicity" field... 11:46 kf yeah, but sex is in the form - ethnicitiy and the ethnotes field are relicts 11:46 kf like a loooooot of other database fields 11:47 kf almost every table has columns we don't use anymore 11:47 magnus ah, true 11:47 magnus you might want the sex field for statistics, maybe? 11:52 kf yeah, have suggested that now :) 11:52 kf discussing with library which fields they want to use and import 11:52 magnus ah 11:53 kf will hide the fields they don't want to sue 11:53 kf use 11:53 kf sue.. hmpf. 11:53 kf time for a lunch break :) bbl 11:57 magnus same here 12:28 * druthb waves to her teammates. 13:15 * kf waves to Nate and sekjal 13:16 sekjal hi, kf! 13:16 kf nengard: I check out the 3.2.x branch and create a new database or restore a 3.2.x one I have dumped earlier 13:17 kf nengard: speaking about your email to the koha list :) 13:17 nengard kf - i need more info on how to do all of that :) 13:17 nengard i need a step by step 13:17 kf nengard: this is what I do on my linux laptop - and I have different snapshots in my virtual box at work 13:17 kf so I can restore one of them and switch back and forth 13:18 kf you can check out the branch like any other branch for testing 13:19 kf the name is 3.2.x - so git checkout -b 3.2.x origin/3.2.x - for updating I do a git rebase origin/3.2.x instead of a git pull 13:19 kf quite sure there are other ways to do it :) 13:27 jcamins Is it possible to include the current date on notices? 13:30 kf nope 13:31 kf but I think there is an enh request somehwere for that 13:31 * kf remembers having seen that somewhere 13:32 kf bug 5197 13:32 munin 04Bug http://bugs.koha-community.org/bugzilla3/show_bug.cgi?id=5197 enhancement, P5, ---, henridamien, NEW, today's date on notices 13:32 kf I think it would be nice to have different templates for print and email notices... and the option to add a date to print notices. for email notices the date the email was sent makes more sense to me. 13:43 hdl nengard: I guess that you could use mykoha to create multiple instances on the same virtual machine. 13:43 jcamins hdl: mykoha? 13:45 kf jcamins: koha-commons package I think 13:46 jcamins kf: ah. 13:46 hdl jcamins: stuff that catalyst demoed at the koha-conf 13:46 hdl mykoha create mmmm 13:46 jcamins Ah. 13:47 hdl to create a new instance of koha on a machine. 13:47 * jcamins wasn't at KohaCon. :'( 13:47 hdl I have been unable to use that because of our UNIMARC and french requirements. 13:48 hdl But should work pretty good for USMARC and all taht stuff 13:49 kf hdl: can you use it with git? 13:49 hdl kf: I think so 13:51 kf hm, have to try that sometime :) 13:55 hdl kf: as far as i know, mykoha is just writing configuration files. 13:55 hdl and creating var directories. 13:55 nengard i'll see if i can figure this stuff out 13:56 nengard but if someone wants to write detailed instructions on the wiki that would be greatly appreciated! 13:56 magnus isn't that the debian packages stuff, or is mykoha something different? the way i understood it catalyst use the packages to "automate" their mykoha offering? 13:57 kf magnus: I think you are right 13:57 hdl magnus: mykoha is included in the Koha code. 14:00 hdl or is in the catalyst repository mykoha 14:00 hdl it provides some new commandlines 14:01 hdl basically, it is just a perl Makefile.PL and make; make install; 14:03 magnus hdl: is it related to the debian packaging? 14:05 Fred Hello 14:05 ibot niihau, Fred 14:06 hdl magnus: I donot think so 14:06 Fred a happy new year to all Koha community 14:07 magnus and happy new year to you too, Fred! 14:08 magnus hdl: ok 14:08 hdl magnus: iirc, catalyst made a secondary package for mykoha 14:10 Fred I am wondering about xslt stylesheets in 3.2 for intranet, is the one for search results display available? 14:14 magnus hdl: yeah, there is a separate repo: http://git.catalyst.net.nz/gw?p=mykoha.git;a=summary 14:15 magnus so mykoha is the debian packages + something else/more on top 14:18 larsw the mykoha .deb is site-specific stuff on top of koha-common 14:18 larsw (assuming nothing changed about that since I stoppped working on it) 14:23 magnus thanks larsw - i can't imagine they changed too much yet... 14:23 larsw git would tell whoever is curious :) 15:31 yitznewto hi kohavians... is there a tut for indexing config someplace? I looked at the 3.2 manual, but couldn't wrap my head around the 3 zebra files. ... 15:31 yitznewto my first use case is setting a bib loading match point on 035$a 15:38 slef It's wet out! 15:44 nengard not here 15:44 nengard here it's just COLD! 15:55 kf yitznewto: you have to check if this file is indexed 15:55 kf hm not file, field 15:55 kf oh, I am too slow... should scroll down first 16:14 Fred is XSLTResultsDisplay really pointing to a stylesheet on intranet? 16:20 kf Fred: I think there is not stylesheet for results/intranet at the moment 16:21 kf not=no 16:21 Fred yes, i ve just find the related bug for enhancement about it :) 16:22 Fred thanks 16:22 Fred bug 4813 16:22 munin 04Bug http://bugs.koha-community.org/bugzilla3/show_bug.cgi?id=4813 enhancement, P5, ---, gmcharlt, NEW, implement XSLTResultsDisplay 16:23 kf Fred: you can use the keyword-to-marc-mapping to enhance the result list in staff 16:23 kf using the subtitle keyword 16:25 Fred oh never tried this before 16:31 Fred ok looks quite easy to use, thanks a lot! 16:38 gmcharlt XSLT exists for staff-side bib details 16:38 gmcharlt MARC21slim2intranetDetail.xsl 16:42 Fred i was looking for UNIMARC results in fact 16:43 gmcharlt UNIMARCslim2intranetDetail.xsl also exists :) 16:47 Fred yes i ve seen it :) but nothing about search results 16:48 gmcharlt right, not currently available staff-side for either MARC21 or UNIMARC 16:48 Fred yes, i can stop to look for it hehe :) 16:49 Fred thanks a lot for ur help, bye all! 16:56 kf hi sekjal 16:56 sekjal hi, kf 17:08 chris_n syntax highlighting (almost) in git: http://tinyurl.com/4azhyc2 17:11 kf hi chris_n :) 17:11 chris_n heya kf 17:12 kf ok, time to go :) see you all later 17:12 chris @later tell magnus yes mykoha just has site specific stuff, all the scripts are in koha-common, mykoha has the different stylesheets and a few extra bits like that 17:12 munin chris: The operation succeeded. 17:43 cait hi #koha 18:54 chris Morning 18:55 nengard hiya chris 18:56 druthb hi, chris! :D 18:58 chris Go lives done? 18:58 druthb yup. Both sites are happy, but both are only-minimally running today--holiday for most folks. 18:58 druthb tomorrow will be the true test. 18:59 chris It could go either way still 19:00 chris Re the cricket :) 19:00 druthb :) 19:00 chris Ahh mlk day eh? 19:00 druthb yup. 19:01 hdl happy mlk day. 19:01 hdl Going home. 19:01 chris Cya hdl 19:04 cait hi chris 19:04 chris Morning session at academy today is qa and testing 19:05 chris Then back onto project work in the afternoon, should be able to get at least 4 more patches in I reckon 19:07 * chris was delighted how fast they all caught on 19:09 chris The trick is get them hooked then hire them all when they finish uni :) 19:10 cait :) 19:12 chris 2 have 1 more year of high school yet 19:13 jcamins chris: sneaky. Four years of summer interns from those. ;) 19:13 chris :) 19:14 * chris must do a writeup for the koha newsletter 19:15 nengard yes 19:16 nengard and everyone else needs to get me articles 19:16 nengard you all wanted the newsletter monthly! so send me something to publish!! :) 19:16 * druthb has run out of excuses for not submitting an article, I suppose. 19:17 nengard your new company probably demands that you write for the newsletter 19:17 chris Heh 19:18 chris Ill try to get a quote or 2 from the students 19:18 * druthb feels that, given the MLK holiday, this quote might be apropos at this point: "Free at last! Free at last! Thank God Almighty, we are free at last!" 19:18 nengard LOL 19:18 jcamins Ooh! I know! 19:18 chris MLK++ 19:18 jcamins chris: tell them that writing newsletter articles is an important part of open source. 19:18 chris Hehe 19:20 druthb At the very least, the Director of OS Education at my company will now feel free to hassle me *mercilessly* to get something with my byline.... 19:21 * jcamins could write an article about jetlag: *ssssnnnnoooooooooorrrrreeeee* 19:21 chris Ok my stop bbiab 19:21 druthb I could write something about the tools I use, but since I write 'em as I go (with large doses of caffiene), it'd be an odd article. 19:33 slef sounds like the co-op's internal newsletter... 19:33 slef nengard: I was planning another RFC Roundup 19:33 nengard awesome 19:40 gmcharlt nengard: manual patches should go the the patches list, right? 19:40 nengard yes please 19:40 gmcharlt ok, there's one for you now 19:42 nengard thanks! 19:42 nengard oh gmcharlt i'm sorry 19:42 nengard i meant it goes to the docs patches list 19:42 nengard koha-docs 19:43 nengard but I'll take your patch anyway :) 19:43 gmcharlt gotcha 19:46 nengard pushed: http://git.koha-community.org/gitweb/?p=kohadocs.git;a=summary 19:46 gmcharlt thanks 19:47 hudsonbot Starting build 37 for job Koha_Docs_Master_Branch (previous build: SUCCESS) 19:51 sekjal anyway know how sensitive Koha is to Unicode normalization format? C, D, KC, KD? 19:52 jcamins sekjal: my tests suggest very! 19:53 nengard okay - nicole screwed up on git again ... how do i roll back something I pushed? 19:53 gmcharlt IMO, code shouldn't expect any particular NF in the DB, and apply the desired normalization when it matters 19:53 gmcharlt roughly speaking, for most languages that NFC for OPAC display 19:53 gmcharlt and (often) NFD for indexing and interchange 19:54 gmcharlt nengard: git revert HEAD 19:54 gmcharlt then git push 19:54 nengard will that revert the last commit i pushed? 19:54 gmcharlt yes 19:55 nengard thanks :) 19:55 sekjal do we want different NF's for indexing and for display... hmmmm 19:55 gmcharlt sekjal: most web browsers display characters with diacritics better if NFC is used 19:56 gmcharlt stripping diacritics for normalization is often easier if the data are received in NFD 19:56 gmcharlt ideally, thems as are doing the displaying or the normalization would do the NF conversion themselves 19:56 gmcharlt ... but you can't count on it 19:58 sekjal limiting to the context of MARC records: we display in more places in the code than we index, so it would probably be cheaper in some sense if the MARC were defaulted to NFC, and then explicitly converted to NFD for Zebra 19:58 gmcharlt yep, but enforcing it is the tricky part 19:58 gmcharlt better to just explicitly do the conversion when emitting records - NF conversions aren't *that* expensive 19:59 gmcharlt and considering that MARC21 technically mandates NFKD, I'm not sure I want to get into a debate as the to one true NF to use when storing the records :) 20:01 cait I always get confused by the abbreviations 20:02 cait but we had problems with display of umlauts - ended up changing our data to the right normlization for nightly imports - but z39.50 is still a problem 20:02 hudsonbot Project Koha_Docs_Master_Branch build #37: SUCCESS in 14 min: http://hudson.koha-community.org/job/Koha_Docs_Master_Branch/37/ 20:02 hudsonbot Nicole C. Engard: clarify that web-based SCO URL is based on OPAC, not intranet 20:02 hudsonbot Starting build 38 for job Koha_Docs_Master_Branch (previous build: SUCCESS) 20:08 Brooke kia ora! 20:08 Brooke Happy Dr. King Day :D 20:08 druthb hi, Brooke! :) 20:08 cait hi Brooke 20:10 CIA-1 Koha: 03claudia.forsman 07new/bug_5327 * rv3.02.00-528-g81f9c49 10/t/Koha.t: Bug 5327 removing uneeded tests 20:10 munin 04Bug http://bugs.koha-community.org/bugzilla3/show_bug.cgi?id=5327 enhancement, P5, ---, gmcharlt, NEW, Unit tests required for all C4 modules 20:10 Brooke Wie geht's? 20:12 * Brooke waves to johnboy 20:15 hudsonbot Project Koha_Docs_Master_Branch build #38: SUCCESS in 13 min: http://hudson.koha-community.org/job/Koha_Docs_Master_Branch/38/ 20:15 hudsonbot * Nicole C. Engard: add ids to other languages 20:15 hudsonbot * Nicole C. Engard: Revert "add ids to other languages" 20:15 hudsonbot * Nicole C. Engard: update ids in foreign language files 20:16 johnboy ... waves back but fails at using irc 20:18 * Brooke muses about whether Nengard added egos and superegos as well to make things dynamic... 20:18 nengard ? 20:19 Brooke it was a *very* bad pun 20:19 nengard one that went over my head 20:27 * sekjal chuckles, a little late 20:29 * jcamins looks back into #koha, and winces. 20:29 nengard why wincing? 20:29 jcamins The pun. 20:31 Brooke let this be a lesson 20:31 nengard oh 20:31 Brooke the punning will continue until the release date is met 20:31 Brooke *whip crack* 20:31 nengard all that travel has shrunk my brain 20:31 nengard i'm pretty slow now 20:31 * jcamins feels the same. 20:33 * sekjal is working on bug 5533... wondering if fixing it will cause as much confusion as the bug itself 20:33 munin 04Bug http://bugs.koha-community.org/bugzilla3/show_bug.cgi?id=5533 critical, P5, ---, gmcharlt, NEW, marking item lost diff in two places 20:33 nengard how so? 20:34 sekjal should marking an item lost ALWAYS be associated with removing the issue record and adding a replacement fee to that patron? 20:35 nengard yes 20:35 nengard if it's lost why shouldn't it 20:35 nengard ? 20:35 ibeardsle policy 20:35 sekjal the values of itemlost are user configurable, which means they could mean all kinds of things, depending on the library 20:36 nengard k - but there is no way to set those 20:36 nengard so it should act the same no matter where you mark it lost 20:36 nengard or it should allow for libraries to define that 20:36 ibeardsle makring something lost .. also have an option to add a replacement fee 20:38 sekjal the longoverdue.pl script has an option in it for whether to charge the patron or not 20:38 sekjal and, in theory, that should be handling all the automatic long overdue marking 20:38 nengard oh 20:38 nengard then so should the gui 20:39 sekjal so, the only time a library would need to manually change this is if the patron TELLS them it's lost 20:39 sekjal rather than them just assuming it's lost because it's 4 years overdue 20:39 sekjal and if your patron is telling you they lost it, you may be more inclined to forgive them or reduce their fee 20:41 Brooke in especial if they tell us how witty we are 20:41 Brooke and bring chocolate 20:41 Brooke I could imagine not charging people in a special Library 20:41 Brooke but those would be the only cases. 20:41 Brooke and it happens with enough rarity 20:42 Brooke that one could wrestle with the computer to make it cooperate. 20:45 hudsonbot Starting build 295 for job Koha_Master (previous build: STILL UNSTABLE -- last SUCCESS #291 17 hr ago) 20:49 munin New commit(s) kohagit: Merge remote branch 'kc/new/bug_5327' into kcmaster <http://git.koha-community.org/gitweb/?p=koha.git;a=commitdiff;h=b34d5c8ef8661177bfface62115f8700f0a8db9c> / Bug 5327 removing uneeded tests <http://git.koha-community.org/gitweb/?p=koha.git;a=commitdiff;h=81f9c4976c171aae6e7f630dc8eb27a3e5424bb0> 20:53 cait good night all :) 20:53 Brooke tchus 20:54 * Brooke waves at hdl 20:54 Brooke eep there's another s in thar 20:54 hdl hi Brooke 21:00 Brooke laterz 21:01 gmcharlt FYI, looks like bugs.koha-community.org may have fallen victim to network issues with the hosting provider 21:07 hudsonbot Yippie, build fixed! 21:07 hudsonbot Project Koha_Master build #295: FIXED in 21 min: http://hudson.koha-community.org/job/Koha_Master/295/ 21:07 hudsonbot claudia: Bug 5327 removing uneeded tests 21:11 gmcharlt and its back 22:26 sekjal cheers, #koha! 22:32 CIA-1 Koha: 03spartan0042 07new/bug_5327 * rv3.02.00-529-g3df7174 10/t/Auth.t: Bug 5327 Starting Unit Tests for Auth.pm 22:32 munin 04Bug http://bugs.koha-community.org/bugzilla3/show_bug.cgi?id=5327 enhancement, P5, ---, gmcharlt, NEW, Unit tests required for all C4 modules 22:39 munin New commit(s) kohagit: Merge remote branch 'kc/new/bug_5327' into kcmaster <http://git.koha-community.org/gitweb/?p=koha.git;a=commitdiff;h=7e08e0a6396ba99b4a6aad9f8c9aa1741a5bd6d3> / Bug 5327 Starting Unit Tests for Auth.pm <http://git.koha-community.org/gitweb/?p=koha.git;a=commitdiff;h=3df717479cd7e19fef2d6d18300636391f1d2b5b> 22:45 hudsonbot Starting build 296 for job Koha_Master (previous build: FIXED) 22:59 chris Silens: hows it going? 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