Time Nick Message 01:02 * owen sneaks back in for a while 01:03 druthb hi, owen. :) 01:04 chris heya owen 02:45 munin New commit(s) kohagit: Fix for Bug 5571 - tags as bulleted list too long <http://git.koha-community.org/gitweb/?p=koha.git;a=commitdiff;h=ea023bb749332d9f86bd108913c8a060dd05971f> 02:56 hudsonbot Starting build 262 for job Koha_Master (previous build: SUCCESS) 03:20 hudsonbot Project Koha_Master build #262: SUCCESS in 23 min: http://hudson.koha-community.org/job/Koha_Master/262/ 03:20 hudsonbot Owen Leonard: Fix for Bug 5571 - tags as bulleted list too long 03:56 Amit heya all 04:10 Oak \o 06:58 francharb hello 08:01 ivanc hi #koha 08:24 paul_p hello all ! 08:26 Amit heya paul_p 08:49 paul_p hello amit 08:49 Amit hdl around 08:52 hdl Hi Amit 08:52 hdl Ho are you ? 08:52 hdl happy new year 08:53 Amit hi hdl happy new year 08:53 hdl I have just received the mockups. 08:53 Amit have u seen savitra mail 08:54 hdl I will see them. And we could arrange a meeting on friday. 08:54 hdl if you can 08:58 Amit hdl: i think monday is better 08:59 Amit if you can 08:59 hdl monday morning ? 08:59 hdl 9h30 ? 08:59 Amit from your timing 08:59 Amit or indian timing 08:59 hdl 8h30 UTC 08:59 Amit ok fine 09:00 Amit let me confirm with savitra i will inform u 09:00 hdl ok 09:00 hdl thanks 09:01 chris hdl and paul_p have you read http://blog.ecorrado.us/2010/12/31/ilsturnover/ ? 09:09 paul_p hi chris, thanks for the url. I haven't seen it yet though i've seen the lwc reports on twitter. BibLibre highly under-represented :\ 09:14 chris yeah, same with catalyst 09:15 chris which is fine, as long as people are aware of the fact its only a very small sample 09:15 chris the problem is mbreeding talks about it, as if it has some statistically value 09:15 chris i tried to make that point in my comments 09:18 paul_p chris: the problem with FLOSS is that it is hard to have reliable stats. that's a weakness [I think from a marketing pov] 09:19 Amit hdl: meeting confirm monday 8:30 UTC 09:22 chris paul_p: the truth is, the stats are unreliable for proprietary too 09:22 chris they just dont worry as much about lying as we do 10:35 cait hi #koha 10:40 hdl hi cait 10:40 hdl Anyone using advance_notices.pl ? 10:41 cait hi hdl 10:41 cait yeah I think we use it 10:41 cait to send pre due and due messages 10:41 hdl Is it working ok for you ? 10:43 cait yep 10:43 cait we only use the digest 10:43 cait with <<count>> 10:44 cait you have 5 items due today... I think there is no possibility to list them in the digest 10:44 cait and not using the digest means sending one notice for each item 10:45 hdl It is so close to overdue_notices that it should have shared code 10:46 hdl (And actually, code was copy paste edit of previous overdue_notices.pl) 10:47 cait I think a lot of overdue notices should be in c4 anyway 10:48 cait I talked to chris about it some time ago 10:48 cait we need to make some changes to overdues, it's on my dev list. but overdue_notices.pl is about 13 pages if you print it 10:51 hdl just as any script in Koha 10:52 cait yeah, just saying it's a bit scary for me :) 12:47 cait bye 13:28 hudsonbot Starting build 23 for job Koha_Docs_Master_Branch (previous build: SUCCESS) 13:28 nengard oh cool - that happens everytime I do a commit? :) 13:34 jcamins Yep. 13:34 jcamins chris++ 13:41 owen Hi #koha 13:43 hudsonbot Project Koha_Docs_Master_Branch build #23: SUCCESS in 15 min: http://hudson.koha-community.org/job/Koha_Docs_Master_Branch/23/ 13:43 hudsonbot Nicole C. Engard: update fines warning image per new patch 13:44 nengard hiya owen 13:48 druthb hi, owen! :) 13:49 jcamins Good morning, owen and druthb. 13:50 druthb hi, jcamins! :D 14:11 * druthb waves to Nate. 14:12 Nate Hiya! 14:13 * jcamins squints and waves 14:13 Nate Im in a plane!!! 14:17 owen Prize to the first person to submit a patch from a plane 14:28 gmcharlt owen: does doing that last year count? 14:28 owen Yes 14:29 gmcharlt heh - I know I did patch-pushing from a plane once or twice; not sure if I actually submitted a new patch while in flight 14:31 * owen will have to consult the judges 14:31 * druthb watches for the instant replay. 15:01 magnus good evening, #koha 15:05 jwagner Hi magnus 15:05 magnus hiya jwagner ;-) 15:19 magnus @wunder bodo, norway 15:19 munin magnus: The current temperature in Bodo, Norway is -5.0�C (3:50 PM CET on January 05, 2011). Conditions: Clear. Humidity: 54%. Dew Point: -13.0�C. Windchill: -14.0�C. Pressure: 29.56 in 1001 hPa (Falling). 15:21 jwagner @later tell nengard The github site apparently had a server down. Our public repo address seems to have changed to https://github.com/ptfs/Koha-PTFS -- I'm leaving on travel & won't have time to update the bugzilla entries until I get back. 15:21 munin jwagner: The operation succeeded. 15:29 nengard 3 more tutorial videos in the can :) 15:29 nengard jwagner when you update those bugzilla reports, just attach the patch, it's more likely to get someone to look at it and sign off on it if they don't have to hunt down the patch in a repo 15:30 jwagner When I get back, and when I have some of that mythical free time :-( 15:30 sekjal jwagner: I'm actually working on a rebase of one the Harley branches right now, for bug 4329 15:30 munin 04Bug http://bugs.koha-community.org/bugzilla3/show_bug.cgi?id=4329 enhancement, PATCH-Sent, ---, jwagner, ASSIGNED, OPAC search by shelving location option 15:30 jwagner I've been meaning to update the integration page at http://wiki.koha-community.org/wiki/PTFSHarleyIntegration -- I know some things have been updated or pushed 15:31 sekjal I'll get that patch attached to the bug report once it's complete; save you one, at least 15:31 nengard owen around? 15:31 owen Yes 15:31 jwagner sekjal and anyone else, if you would update the wiki page when you do one, that would help keep track of things. Thanks 15:31 jwagner Gotta go catch a plane now.... 15:31 nengard signed off on bug 3347 after i fixed a whitespace error, but i'm not sure i did it right 15:31 munin 04Bug http://bugs.koha-community.org/bugzilla3/show_bug.cgi?id=3347 minor, PATCH-Sent, ---, oleonard, ASSIGNED, Inconsistencies with tables in opac-shelves.tmpl 15:31 sekjal jwagner: gotcha 15:31 nengard my git repo now says i have uncommited changes ... but when i look at the signed off patch the whitespace is gone ... ideas? 15:32 jcamins nengard: git diff 15:32 jcamins nengard: git status, rather 15:32 nengard jcamins, i know what the difference is and what the status is - but what step did i miss - I committed my changes with an --amend 15:32 nengard and signed off 15:33 nengard but for some reason git doesn't think i did that ... so i skipped a step 15:33 jcamins Hm. You can git add and git commit --amend as many times as you want. 15:33 nengard i forgot git add!!!! 15:33 nengard :) 15:34 jcamins Yeah, that might be why. 15:34 nengard sending again 15:34 nengard thanks 15:35 nengard ps i like the lists changes owen 15:35 owen Thanks! 15:41 nengard i like seeing patches from you - cause i can pretty much sign off on any of them - cause i know how to test them 15:41 owen I resubmitted a few today that failed to merge when I was rebasing yesterday 15:44 sekjal okay, I've got a rebased version of PTFS's 'opac search by location code', but it just applies universally; there is no sys pref to toggle it. It also only applies to the OPAC adv search 15:45 sekjal I think I may need to do a followup 15:46 owen sekjal: Any luck with the AND vs. OR problem I commented on? 15:49 sekjal not yet... but I'll take a further look in my followup 15:54 drotsk o/ 15:55 magnus \o 15:57 nengard sekjal i signed off on that patch 15:57 nengard owen i'm off to check on the others you submitted to sign off on them if possible :) 15:57 owen nengard++ 15:57 wizzyrea owen, question about autocomplete 15:57 wizzyrea (browser autocomplete) 15:58 wizzyrea (not js autocomplete) 15:58 wizzyrea so we've had instances in our libraries where due to latency somewhere, the barcode scanned autocompletes and a different item or different patron is brought up 15:58 wizzyrea browser autocompletes 15:59 wizzyrea I'm wondering about the merits of putting autocomplete="off" on those fields most likely to generate this issue 15:59 owen Change your browser configuration instead 15:59 ibot owen: that doesn't look right 16:00 wizzyrea we've done that. 16:00 wizzyrea but they update their firefox and we have to do it all over again 16:02 owen Oh, am I the last the learn this? http://bywatersolutions.com/?p=883 16:02 owen Congratulations jcamins ! 16:02 jcamins Thanks. 16:03 jcamins owen: probably not, given how quickly you saw the press release. 16:03 owen bywater++ 16:03 * owen thought maybe #koha had the inside story 16:04 jcamins Well, brendan, Nate, nengard, and sekjal knew. 16:04 druthb congrats, jcamins! :) 16:04 jcamins Thanks. 16:04 hdl congrats jcamins 16:05 gmcharlt jcamins++ 16:05 gmcharlt bywater++ 16:05 nengard we're super happy to have jcamins!! :) 16:05 Nate Yes we are!! 16:05 sekjal most thoroughly yes 16:05 jcamins They say that now... 16:06 druthb hehe 16:06 hdl sekjal: Nate druthb gmcharlt Happy New Year 16:06 sekjal and Happy New Year to you, hdl! 16:06 hdl sekjal: Have you been able to do anything on data persistance ? 16:07 sekjal no, this holiday season has been pretty packed, and I've been working on other devs for some of our clients 16:07 druthb thanks, hdl! bonne année to you, as well. 16:08 magnus wow, congrats jcamins and bywater! 16:08 owen sekjal++ # for working on some devs for us! 16:09 hdl Have you read what I wrote on koha-devel ? What do you think of it ? 16:11 sekjal I've noticed the issues in the CanBook/Item... functions 16:12 sekjal and they seem to be called just about everywhere 16:13 nengard owen, signed off on a couple of your patches and fixes whitespace errors (I think) :) 16:14 sekjal the CanBookBe... subroutines should just be a composite of all return values of the CanItemBe... subroutines for every attached item 16:16 owen hdl: I'm looking at PTFS's suggested changes for Bug 3719 16:16 munin 04Bug http://bugs.koha-community.org/bugzilla3/show_bug.cgi?id=3719 enhancement, PATCH-Sent, ---, jwagner, ASSIGNED, Create syspref to allow sites to rename OPAC Cart 16:16 owen Among them are lines like this: 16:16 owen var MSG_RECORD_IN_BASKET = _("This item is already in your <!-- TMPL_VAR NAME="opacbookbagName" -->"); 16:17 owen Is it valid to put the TMPL_VAR inside the _() function? 16:18 * owen images that kind of construction is bad for many languages 16:19 hdl owen: you are right. 16:19 hdl get TMPL_VAR out of that. 16:21 owen But even if I change it to var MSG_RECORD_IN_BASKET = _("This item is already in your ')+<!-- TMPL_VAR NAME="opacbookbagName" -->; it is too rigid a sentence structure isn't it? 16:24 sekjal owen: it is a bit restrictive 16:27 owen _("Your")+" "+<!-- TMPL_VAR NAME="opacbookbagName" -->+" "+"_("is currently empty"); is even worse 16:27 hdl <!-- TMPL_VAR NAME="opacbookbagName" -->+" "+"_("is currently empty") 16:28 hdl what do you think of that ? 16:28 hdl <!-- TMPL_VAR NAME="opacbookbagName" -->+" "+"_("empty") 16:29 hdl congrats jcamins 16:29 jcamins hdl: thanks. 16:29 hdl congrats bywatersolutions 16:31 owen hdl: That works for that particular case, but I still think we're left with constructions that don't translate well 16:31 owen I suppose there must be many existing examples of that anyway 16:31 * owen should have this conversation when cait is here 16:32 hdl owen: sure... hebrew and arabic have a very different way to structure things. 16:32 hdl But there are already many examples of that. 16:34 paul_p congrats jcamins ! 16:40 chris_n congrats jcamins && bywater 16:40 jcamins Thanks. :) 16:52 jcamins Food... yes, I like this idea. 16:53 hdl jcamins_a: sending you a cookie 16:53 jcamins_a :) 16:53 jcamins_a I think I'll try pizza again. 16:53 jcamins_a Yesterday's attempt was unsuccessful, but I'll use it as a starter today, and I have high hopes that it won't be a complete disaster. 17:51 magnus re bug 5576 17:51 munin 04Bug http://bugs.koha-community.org/bugzilla3/show_bug.cgi?id=5576 enhancement, P5, ---, ian.walls, ASSIGNED, Access Koha via SSL 17:51 magnus isn't that more a question of server config than a question of koha features? 17:53 sekjal magnus: yes, it is 17:53 sekjal you have to run the OPAC over SSL with Apache configs 17:55 sekjal but, I've development that, if you've got a parallel OPAC running over https, will allow you to toggle whether to use that site for OPAC login 17:55 magnus ah, i see - that sounds cool! 17:56 magnus and perhaps someone could document the config for e.g. apache somewhere too? 17:56 sekjal it's pretty easy to do the staff client over https, but since you want to have parts of the OPAC secure and parts free (presumably), there needs to be some mechanism in the coding 17:56 sekjal magnus: I'll see where I can drop that into the commit 18:01 magnus cool! but perhaps it could be on the wiki or in the manual too? 18:02 sekjal yes, that would make more sense 18:07 jcamins_a Does OSS have a browsable git repository? 18:08 sekjal not seeing a GitWeb instance 18:09 jcamins_a Bleck. 18:16 chris jcamins: drop them a mail, if they can't set one up we can set up one one git.koha-community they can push to 18:17 magnus meeting in 3 hours 40 mins? 18:17 chris Yes 18:18 chris Jwagner++ #for doing her action point and sending a reminder 18:19 chris Hi cait 18:19 cait hi chris :) 18:19 cait @wunder Konstanz 18:19 munin cait: The current temperature in Konstanz, Germany is -2.0�C (7:00 PM CET on January 05, 2011). Conditions: Mostly Cloudy. Humidity: 81%. Dew Point: -4.0�C. Pressure: 29.95 in 1014 hPa (Falling). 18:20 cait the meeting is in 3.5 hours? 18:21 cait jcamins++ :) 18:22 magnus hi cait - and yes, 3.5 hours (i asked the same thing only seconds before you joined ;-) 18:22 cait hi magnus :) 18:23 * cait is finally back home 18:26 owen Meeting starts just after I have to leave to pick up kids :( 18:38 chris Muggy again today 18:38 chris @wunder wellington nz 18:38 munin chris: The current temperature in Wellington, New Zealand is 18.0�C (7:00 AM NZDT on January 06, 2011). Conditions: Scattered Clouds. Humidity: 94%. Dew Point: 17.0�C. Pressure: 29.86 in 1011 hPa (Steady). 18:39 cait but much warmer than here 18:39 cait @wunder Reutlingen 18:39 munin cait: The current temperature in Reutlingen, Germany is -2.4�C (7:44 PM CET on January 05, 2011). Conditions: Clear. Humidity: 55%. Dew Point: -10.0�C. Windchill: -2.0�C. Pressure: 28.23 in 955.9 hPa (Steady). 18:39 nengard @wunder 19030 18:39 munin nengard: The current temperature in CWOP # AR939, Penndel, Pennsylvania is 3.9�C (1:44 PM EST on January 05, 2011). Conditions: Clear. Humidity: 41%. Dew Point: -8.0�C. Windchill: 4.0�C. Pressure: 29.81 in 1009.4 hPa (Steady). 18:45 magnus @wunder bodo, norway 18:45 munin magnus: The current temperature in Bodo, Norway is -6.0�C (6:50 PM CET on January 05, 2011). Conditions: Low Drifting Snow. Humidity: 58%. Dew Point: -13.0�C. Windchill: -16.0�C. Pressure: 29.50 in 999 hPa (Falling). 18:45 * druthb shivers 18:46 jcamins @wunder 11375 18:46 munin jcamins: The current temperature in Middle Village, Queens, New York is 4.8�C (1:46 PM EST on January 05, 2011). Conditions: Scattered Clouds. Humidity: 37%. Dew Point: -9.0�C. Windchill: 5.0�C. Pressure: 29.78 in 1008.4 hPa (Falling). 18:46 jcamins @wunder 11105 18:46 munin jcamins: The current temperature in Astoria, Astoria, New York is 3.7�C (1:50 PM EST on January 05, 2011). Conditions: Scattered Clouds. Humidity: 42%. Dew Point: -8.0�C. Windchill: 4.0�C. Pressure: 29.81 in 1009.4 hPa (Falling). 18:46 jcamins :D It's nicer in Forest Hills. 18:46 cait we had -11 last night 18:46 cait brr 18:47 jcamins Not only will our apartment be nicer, the weather is nicer. I like that. 18:48 chris I've been to astoria oregon 18:49 chris It was nice 18:49 jcamins Astoria, Oregon actually had a medal struck in 2009 commemorating its founding. 18:49 chris Cept for all the goonies 18:50 sekjal and those dang Kindergarten Cops.... 18:50 chris Oh sweet queen of the whole universe is coming soon 18:51 druthb a two *terabyte* SATA drive for $100? dang.... 18:51 jcamins What? 18:51 druthb Microcenter ad in the mail today. 18:51 jcamins Did those three statements have anything to do with each other? 18:51 druthb nope. 18:51 * druthb is off in her own little world, as usual. 18:52 chris http://www.queenwholeuniverse.com/show%20dates.html 18:52 * cait waves to druthb 18:52 chris Best paegent ever 18:52 * sekjal has another couple bays.... could add another 2TB.... hmm.... 18:52 * druthb waves to cait. 18:52 chris Brb 18:54 wizzyrea wow, this channel just went down the rabbit hold 18:54 wizzyrea hole even 18:54 wizzyrea 2 tb for 100 bucks 18:54 wizzyrea insanity 18:54 jcamins wizzyrea: didn't you just get a 2TB drive? 18:55 druthb http://www.microcenter.com/single_product_results.phtml?product_id=0331601 18:55 wizzyrea 1tb, 56 bucks 19:04 chris back 19:05 chris oh and a cafe across the road that sells peoples coffee just opened, good day 19:05 magnus how does that work? you walk in with your coffee and then they sell it to someone else? ;-) 19:06 * owen guesses http://peoplescoffee.co.nz/ 19:06 gmcharlt magnus: instant recycling! 19:06 chris thats its owen 19:07 magnus ah, i see ;-) 19:08 chris its cool, they visit where the beans are grown, make sure the growers are treated well etc 19:09 jcamins magnus: sounds like they don't steal coffee after all. 19:09 chris http://peoplescoffee.co.nz/our-people/ they are nice people, yeah, and unlike starbucks they dont steal coffee :) 19:11 magnus guess it was just the lack of capitalization playing tricks with my imagination... ;-) 19:19 sekjal for bug 5576, better to put the preference administration in the Admin section, or the OPAC section? 19:19 munin 04Bug http://bugs.koha-community.org/bugzilla3/show_bug.cgi?id=5576 enhancement, P5, ---, ian.walls, ASSIGNED, Access Koha via SSL 19:20 chris is it just for the OPAC, or for both sites? 19:20 sekjal just OPAC 19:20 chris if just for the OPAC id put it in there 19:20 sekjal ok 19:30 gmcharlt sekjal: you may want to take a look at how Evergreen handles using SSL for patron login and display in the OPAC and regular HTTP for everything else 19:30 sekjal gmcharlt: thanks, I'll take a peek 19:31 chris id like that once you are logged in, its ssl, before you are logged in its http 19:32 chris once you are placing holds etc, that may as well be encrypted too 19:32 chris make the fbi earn their money 19:34 gmcharlt or move some of the scripts about (to make URL rewriting easier) and have /opac/ and /opac/secure/ 19:36 pastebot "gmcharlt" at 68.101.78.67 pasted "sekjal: the relevant bit from EG's Apache config" (6 lines) at http://paste.koha-community.org/118 19:36 gmcharlt one thing to note that SSLRequireSSL implies use of mod_ssl; mod_gnutls doesn't have a direct equivalent 19:40 sekjal thanks, gmcharlt 19:41 magnus i'm trying to do a character conversion in marcedit but it fails silently on some files - is there a better way to debug than to chop the failing files in half recursively to find the offending record(s)? 19:42 gmcharlt magnus: I gather that marcedit isn't producing partial output that would give you a hint? 19:42 magnus no 19:42 magnus no output at all, that i can see 19:48 briceSanc Hello all ! Happy new year ! 19:48 cait happy new year briceSanc 19:50 chris hi briceSanc 19:52 briceSanc i've a problem with my Koha, i can't finish an update from git 19:56 owen briceSanc: Can you give us more information? 19:57 briceSanc yes, the installer runs in loop 19:58 briceSanc when i "update your database" ( /cgi-bin/koha/installer/install.pl?step=3 ) 19:59 briceSanc he write "Continue to log in to Koha" ( /cgi-bin/koha/installer/install.pl?step=3&op=updatestructure ) 19:59 briceSanc but when i click on "Continue to log in to Koha", he returns to /cgi-bin/koha/installer/install.pl?step=3 19:59 sekjal is the "update your database" portion returning errors? when you click to upgrade, what is the output? 20:00 briceSanc he returns "Everything went OK, update done." 20:01 briceSanc Do you know what is the problem ? 20:01 ibot somebody said the problem was probably with the email header 20:01 owen Hush ibot 20:01 nengard hehe 20:01 sekjal he means well.... 20:02 jcamins ibot: forget the problem 20:02 ibot jcamins: I forgot problem 20:03 owen if only it were so easy... 20:03 owen ibot: Throw all your cares away 20:03 ibot owen: i'm not following you... 20:04 jcamins We're not going to get hauled away for bot baiting, are we? 20:06 briceSanc Any idea for my problem ? 20:07 mib_7x2wy hello everyone 20:08 mib_7x2wy could someone explain what might cause this to occur? http://i51.tinypic.com/2rr001s.png 20:08 chris hi mib_7x2wy, might want to do a /nick something_legible ;) 20:09 owen lac: Right click on that broken image, choose "Copy image location" and paste here 20:09 owen Please :) 20:10 chris is that the error, or are you talking about having 2 ghost items? 20:10 lac http://i51.tinypic.com/2rr001s.png 20:10 lac oh dear.. 20:11 lac chris: i'm talking about having 2 ghost items 20:11 chris right 20:11 chris if you go to edit items, does it show 1 there, or 3? 20:11 * owen goes back to peeling potatoes 20:11 chris and is that marc you have in marcedit the result of saving that record as marc, and opening it in marc edit? 20:11 lac chris: 3 20:12 chris and if you choose to save it as marc (on the right hand side) and open it in marcedit, does it have 3 952? 20:12 lac chris: correct, i used a perl script to generate the marc file and opened it using koha 20:13 chris the problem is 20:13 chris you have 3 952 20:13 chris instead of 1 952, with an a b and p 20:13 lac ah i see 20:14 chris so koha makes 3 items 20:14 chris might have to tweak your perl script 20:14 lac i guess i didn't fully understand MARC::Field 20:15 * chris_n hands his potatoes to owen 20:15 chris yeah you want 1 field, with 3 subfields .. in that records case anyway 20:15 * chris hopes that makes sense, little about MARC does 20:15 owen cait still around? 20:16 cait yes :) 20:17 owen Hi cait, I was pondering translation issues earlier and wanted your opinion 20:17 lac chris: indeed 20:17 cait ok 20:17 hdl @later tell briceSanc your problem surely comes from a DBversion badly set in updatedatabase.pl or the version in kohaversion.pl which is over the latest version in updatedatabase.pl 20:17 munin hdl: The operation succeeded. 20:17 owen cait: the patch for Bug 3719 introduces some weird template constructions that concerned me with regard to translation 20:17 munin 04Bug http://bugs.koha-community.org/bugzilla3/show_bug.cgi?id=3719 enhancement, PATCH-Sent, ---, jwagner, ASSIGNED, Create syspref to allow sites to rename OPAC Cart 20:18 owen var MSG_RECORD_IN_BASKET = _("This item is already in your")+" <!-- TMPL_VAR NAME="opacbookbagName" -->"; 20:19 briceSanc hdl, thaks i will check that ! 20:19 owen cait: Doesn't that kind of construction work badly in German, for instance? 20:19 cait checking now - give me a minute :) 20:19 cait this construction works - but not sure about other languages 20:19 cait in general chopped sentences are never good 20:20 cait the borrower edit form does that a lot - sometimes there is really no way for a good translation this way 20:20 owen Okay. I was just curious. I've updated PTFS's work on bug 3719 and pushed it to my gitorious repo if anyone is interested in testing it 20:21 cait owen: meaning I could translate that sentence to make sense - but it's harder 20:21 chris i guess ptfs are too busy with kegs to keep their repo up to date 20:21 cait you have them in different parts in pootle, have to figure out which parts belong together... and sometimes you don't have a chance to make it sound right 20:21 cait kegs? 20:21 chris oh yes i did 20:21 jcamins :) 20:22 * cait checks her dictionary 20:22 chris LibLime will also be throwing a LibLime Koha Keg Party in the booth on Saturday January 8th. Stop by the booth to learn more. 20:22 jcamins cait: barrels used to hold beer, whisky, and certain other liquors. 20:22 owen Don't worry chris any day now they're going to do a rebase on that Harley stuff and let us know how it goes. 20:22 chris :) 20:22 cait thx jcamins :) 20:23 nengard what's all this keg talk? 20:23 jcamins [off] I think maybe that's why they're drinking... 20:23 cait owen: thx for thinking about translation :) and your concern is correct. but there seems to be no other way to make this pref work...? 20:24 cait teach people how to use jquery of course 20:24 cait does jquery work for the javascript alerts? 20:24 owen It's not a trivial amount of javascript but I think it has been done 20:24 owen In principle I like the idea of making it a system preference 20:25 cait yeah me too - but it makes things more difficult 20:25 cait I think german grammar is not so far away from english sentence structure - but other languages are 20:26 owen I certainly don't mind the work getting rejected if the translation issues are too onerous 20:26 cait would not work in japanese - the verb is always at the end of the sentence (just an example) 20:26 cait it's hard to tell 20:26 cait people could always use a customized translation too... but not as easy as a syspref 20:28 cait ok, time to unpack a bit more :) 20:28 owen That seems to be an option Liblime/PTFS refuses to entertain 20:28 briceSanc hdl, munin, updatedatabase.pl version is equal to the kohaversion.pl version 20:28 briceSanc but in mysql Version = 3.0201003 in systempreferences 20:29 chris ill defer to fredericd as translation manager, but if he says its too hard to translate im happy to reject it 20:29 hdl briceSanc: is it < than your kohaversion ? 20:29 jcamins [off] owen: maybe another beer? 20:29 chris and yes, they could just use the translation tool, you only need to translate one line 20:29 chris not the whole file, just the one you want different 20:29 briceSanc hdl, my Koha is on 3.2.x head of git 20:30 briceSanc i've made a git pull today 20:30 hdl seems that there is a problem in the update. 20:32 briceSanc hdl, probably... 20:33 hdl have you tried to launch the updatedatabase via commandline script 20:34 briceSanc hdl, i try 20:36 briceSanc koha@preprod:~/kohagit/installer/data/mysql$ ./updatedatabase.pl 20:36 briceSanc Upgrade to 3.02.02.000 done (Incrementing version for 3.2.2 release.) 20:36 briceSanc Upgrade to 3.02.02.001 done (Fix misspelled 034r subfield in MARC21 Frameworks) 20:37 hdl is it ok now ? 20:37 briceSanc now when i click on "Continue to log in to Koha", i go to the staff interface 20:38 briceSanc but the installer stay active 20:39 briceSanc oh it's weird, the installer disappear after multi-reload 20:39 briceSanc i seems to be ok... i verify 20:39 hdl yes... 3.02.02.001 > 3.02.01.003 20:40 hdl briceSanc: are you using memcached ? 20:40 hdl briceSanc: are you using modperl ? 20:41 briceSanc hdl, memcached is off but modperl is on 20:42 wizzyrea graphicsmagick? 20:42 ibot i guess graphicsmagick is avaliable in package form for the following Operating Systems: Version 1.1.11 in Lenny, 1.3.12 in Squeeze, 1.3.5 in Sid and Ubuntu Lucid. Regarding the update message, all Koha functions still work even if you only have Version 1.1.11. 20:49 briceSanc hdl, thanks for your help ! 20:52 munin New commit(s) kohagit: Fix for Bug 3347 - Inconsistencies with tables in opac-shelves.tmpl <http://git.koha-community.org/gitweb/?p=koha.git;a=commitdiff;h=6d8f4f88686932d1972a1cf11c02d05485eabdab> 20:56 hudsonbot Starting build 263 for job Koha_Master (previous build: SUCCESS) 21:13 wizzyrea anyone know, in the label maker does the search look in the indexes or the db directly 21:15 owen anyone have some good sql up their sleeve for finding the most reserved item of the year? 21:15 druthb item, or title? 21:15 owen title 21:16 owen Can you do a 'group by' across two tables? 21:16 druthb might try to do some kind of select biblionumber,count(*) foolery with old_reserves? Should be a way to look for a maximal number. 21:17 owen I guess I could do it the hard way and look at reserves and old_reserves separately 21:17 druthb hrm. 21:18 chris you can do a union 21:18 chris then group by 21:19 hudsonbot Project Koha_Master build #263: SUCCESS in 23 min: http://hudson.koha-community.org/job/Koha_Master/263/ 21:19 hudsonbot Owen Leonard: Fix for Bug 3347 - Inconsistencies with tables in opac-shelves.tmpl 21:21 owen According to my query of just old_reserves, the most-reserved biblionumber of 2010 was NULL :| 21:21 briceSanc goodbye! 21:22 chris select count(*) as total,biblionumber FROM (select * from reserves union select * from old_reserves) as union_table group by biblionumber order by total desc limit 5; 21:22 wizzyrea oooooo 21:22 wizzyrea that's a good one chris 21:23 jcamins Half hour to the meeting? 21:23 chris yup 21:23 jcamins Just enough time to get some empty boxes then. 21:24 jcamins See you all in twenty. 21:24 owen The winner (after NULL) is Eclipse by Stephenie Meyer 21:24 wizzyrea oo, shocker 21:24 owen chris++ 21:25 wizzyrea chris++ indeed 21:25 wizzyrea i'm running ours now :) 21:25 chris you'll probably break cataloguing doing that or somethink 21:25 chris :) 21:25 wizzyrea nah, it's on the replica 21:26 chris since when has logic got anything to do with it? 21:26 owen Meyer takes 4 of the top 5 21:26 chris i fear for us all 21:27 owen Whoops, forgot to limit to 2010. 21:27 wizzyrea haha ours was Breaking Dawn 21:29 owen Janet Evanovich's Sizzling Sixteen wins for 2010. Is that an improvement? 21:29 chris does it have vampires? 21:30 cait hehe 21:31 owen Women bounty hunters > Vampires? 21:31 wizzyrea heh 21:31 chris yes 21:31 owen I see a good mashup there 21:31 chris but so does a poke in the eye with a sharp stick 21:31 owen Oh wait, that was Buffy the Vampire Slayer 21:31 chris its not a high bar 21:32 owen gotta go, all, sorry to miss the meeting 21:33 chris he will be sorry alright, when i assign action points to him 21:36 wizzyrea magnus: re your latest patch, which i think is great, maybe we should add also dev install examples 21:36 wizzyrea (similar to what was there before, but not specific to a particular company like the old ones were ) 21:37 magnus wizzyrea: probably a good idea! 21:37 * wizzyrea will do that tomorrow, if you'd like 21:38 magnus wizzyrea: please do! 21:40 wizzyrea k :) 21:42 cait wizzyrea++ 21:43 cait and magnus++ :) 21:52 Brooke kia ora 21:52 cait hi Brooke 21:52 hdl kia ora Brooke 21:53 magnus kia ora, daniel and Brooke 21:53 daniel kia ora, magnus and everyone 21:54 daniel congratulations, jcamins! 21:56 Lee hey Daniel 21:56 Lee Happy New Year 21:56 * Brooke waves at lee 21:56 Lee hey Brooke 21:57 Lee Hey to you too Magnus 21:57 Lee we are meeting right? 21:57 magnus hiya Lee! starting to dry up? 21:57 cait hi Lee and Daniel - happy new year! 21:57 magnus Lee: yup 21:58 hdl hi Lee and Daniel 21:58 hdl Happy New Year 21:58 Lee We are all dry... now we have to paint and carpet 21:58 daniel Hi Lee, cait, hdl! 21:58 Lee another 60 days til be open the main branch 21:58 hdl too bad. 21:58 daniel hi Brooke! 21:58 magnus yeah, that sucks 21:59 hdl hi Colin 21:59 daniel Lee, did you loose materials 21:59 daniel ? 21:59 Lee could've been worse...only lost 200 books 21:59 Colin Hi 22:00 daniel did I miss anyone pointing to http://computerworld.co.nz/news.nsf/news/librarians-push-open-source-alternative? 22:00 gregg so, is this the place and time for the meeting? 22:00 gregglind my clock-reading and utc skills are a bit rusty 22:00 nengard hi gregg! 22:01 nengard you're in the right place 22:01 nengard just waiting for our fearless leader to start the proceedings 22:01 magnus and the right time 22:01 gregglind excellent, I will shut up then, unless we do intros or somethign 22:01 chris #startmeeting 22:01 munin Meeting started Wed Jan 5 22:01:25 2011 UTC. The chair is chris. Information about MeetBot at http://wiki.debian.org/MeetBot. 22:01 munin Useful Commands: #action #agreed #help #info #idea #link #topic. 22:01 chris #topic Introductions 22:02 chris chris cormack, catalyst, RM 3.4 22:02 * nengard = Nicole C. Engard, Documenation Manager/ByWater Solutions 22:02 * magnus = Magnus Enger, Libriotech, Norway 22:02 * hdl Henri-Damien LAURENT, BibLibre, RMaint 3.0 22:02 thd Thomas Dukleth, Agogme, New York City 22:02 richard richard anderson, katipo 22:02 * cait = Katrin Fischer, BSZ, Germany 22:02 rhcl RHCL = Rolling Hills Consolidated Library, Greg Lawson 22:02 Colin Colin Campbell, PTFS Europe Ltd 22:02 Lee Lee Phillips Butte Public Library Montana USA 22:02 * sekjal = Ian Walls, ByWater Solutions 22:02 daniel Daniel Grobani, Samuel Merritt University, Oakland, CA 22:02 * wizzyrea liz rea, nekls 22:03 reed Reed Wade. Catalyst 22:03 gregglind gregg lind , Renesys, remote in minneapolis, (python, js) other mathy stuff 22:04 slef MJ Ray, worker-owner, software.coop UK and elsewhere 22:04 chris @seen chris_n 22:04 munin chris: chris_n was last seen in #koha 1 hour, 44 minutes, and 7 seconds ago: * chris_n hands his potatoes to owen 22:05 ricardo Ricardo Dias Marques, author of installation guide of Koha 3.0 in openSUSE 11.0 and contributor/approver to Portuguese (pt-PT) translation, Portugal 22:05 chris first item on the agenda was to be 3.2 update, ill shelve that for now in the hope chris_n gets back before the meeting ends 22:05 chris ok, lets move on, anyone who hasnt introduced themselves, feel free to do so at anytime 22:06 chris #topic Update on 3.0 22:06 chris hdl: over to you 22:06 hdl I am desperately late. 22:06 hdl An congratulates chris n for being on time 22:07 hdl But am still willing to release the last 3.0.7 22:07 ricardo hdl++ :) 22:07 chris do you have a date in mind for that? and that will be the end of life release for 3.0.x eh? 22:07 hdl Yes. 22:08 chris #action hdl to release 3.0.7 and post and end of life announcement 22:08 hdl But there should be some barckporting of 3.0 bugfixes and features over 3.2 22:08 hdl Since there have been some improvements there. 22:08 hdl For overdues. 22:08 chris #idea we should backport features from 3.0.x to master and then to 3.2.x where applicable 22:09 chris or forward port as the case may be :) 22:09 ricardo chris: Concerning the end of life of 3.0.x ... Couldn't a "door" be opened if someone wants to be the "Release Maintainer" for 3.0.x ? (and no, I'm NOT proposing myself for the job, eheh...) 22:09 chris ricardo: do you see any value in maintaining 2 stable branches? 22:10 chris all i can see is confusion resulting 22:10 chris and duplication of work 22:10 ricardo chris: There are always some people that prefer to stay in their version, and not "risk" an upgrade. So, I guess that I see value in that 22:10 hdl ricardo: the latest release of 3.0 would just to be a clean end. 22:11 hdl 3.2 is assumed to be stable enough. 22:11 chris yep, they can stay on 3.0.x but i dont think we should keep releasing versions to it 22:11 cait ricardo: I don't think it's a good thing to stay too long on an old version 22:11 chris having 3 places to fix bugs, just means 3 times as much work 22:11 hdl And actually is since there are more regula updates. 22:11 chris yup 22:11 ricardo chris: I'm only talking about ACCEPTING bugfixes for 3.0.x (not putting new featutres, of course) 22:12 ricardo s/featutres/features 22:12 sekjal Koha is a living entity... doesn't make sense to sit on one version forever (IMHO) 22:12 hdl taking bugfixes from master to 3.0 would be getting more and more difficult. 22:12 hdl It is already 22:13 Lee hey Jo! 22:13 slef could we offer it for a group of users+developers to take up maintenance if they want? Just say that it's the end of koha-community's appointed RM because we think people should upgrade to 3.2 soon. 22:13 hdl But I can leave the door open... 22:13 ricardo slef++ 22:13 jransom hiya all 22:13 chris slef: we could do that 22:13 slef I don't think anyone will, but they can adopt it if they want. 22:13 chris i would strongly recommend people upgrade though 22:14 hdl I would too 22:14 slef Yes, I think it's up to hdl to word his farewell as he thinks fit 22:14 chris so as long as we say 'i dont think this is a good idea, but if you really really want to, you can' 22:14 slef ;-) 22:14 chris *nod* 22:14 ricardo slef: Congrats and thanks on explaining my argument much better than I did (seriously!) :) 22:15 chris anything more on 3.0.x? 22:15 hdl Problem would be to add foreign key on pushing to 3.0 maybe. 22:15 hdl chris not from me 22:16 chris #topic update on 3.4 22:16 chris Ok, work is progressing nicely 22:16 chris but we are developing a bit of a backlog of patches waiting signoff 22:17 chris 167 currently 22:17 chris if you look at http://koha-releasemanagement.branchable.com/ 22:17 chris there are 3 links at the top, that are handy 22:17 chris top one is patches waiting signoff/qa 22:17 chris 2nd one are patches signed off, waiting on me 22:18 chris and the 3rd one, are ones that have been pushed and need to be tested and closed 22:18 slef signoff/qa = signoff by QA? 22:18 chris 128 in the 3rd state 22:19 chris not really, signoff or qa 22:19 chris i meant, signed off by someone or rejected for qa reasons 22:20 slef top link, a lot seem to be in status NEW? 22:20 hdl this is quite confusing 22:20 chris status doesnt actually matter 22:20 slef I've been off, this is confusing me, I probably need to go reread some wiki page. 22:20 chris its patch sent, and patch status 22:20 hdl signed off is approval 22:21 hdl And qa would mean disapproval ? 22:21 chris take a look at 5423 22:21 chris sorry look at bug 5449 22:21 nengard signed off means someone has applied it successfully to their install of HEAD and has tested it 22:21 munin 04Bug http://bugs.koha-community.org/bugzilla3/show_bug.cgi?id=5449 blocker, PATCH-Sent, ---, brice.sanchez, ASSIGNED, JSON malformed in Koha - Blocker with jQuery 1.4.x 22:21 chris see the patch status, on the right, is set to Needs Signoff 22:21 chris from that state 22:22 chris there are 3 ways it can go 22:22 chris signed off 22:22 ibot i think signed off is approval 22:22 chris does not apply 22:22 chris or failed qa 22:22 ibot somebody said failed qa was a new status in the pull down - we don't have one for does not apply yet :) 22:22 chris we currently have 167 sitting at the point of having a patch sent, and awaiting one of those three actions 22:22 chris does that make sense? 22:23 chris #link http://koha-releasemanagement.branchable.com/ 22:24 hdl maybe a better separation between signedoff and rejected for qa would help. 22:24 chris how do you mean? 22:24 hdl you told that state 2 meant 22:24 hdl signedoff/qa 22:24 hdl that is 22:24 chris its passed qa and been signed off 22:25 chris if its signed off state 22:25 slef #link http://wiki.koha-community.org/wiki/Sign_off_on_patches 22:25 chris what i meant is there are 167 patches that need to be either rejected or signed off 22:26 hdl If signed off by someone who tested it then it has to pass qa am i right ? 22:26 chris small ones, im willing to sidestep signoff for, if i have to, but id rather that every patch has at least 2 sets of eyes 22:26 slef can someone who understands how that relates to branchable and bugs add a new first section "choose a patch to sign off" to that page, please? 22:26 cait send patch, attach to bug, change status to 'needs sign-off' - that's the status the patches in the long list are 22:27 chris hdl: often the signoff is good enough, if i dont think it is, i wont push it and note it still needs qa 22:27 chris what i dont think is feasible, is for colin to have to signoff on all those 167 (plus the new ones that come in everyday) by himself 22:28 hdl got it 22:29 hdl branches to merge are branches that passed qa ? 22:29 chris if the branch is awaiting_qa/something then no 22:29 chris if not then, yes 22:30 chris they are ones i need to test further myself 22:31 chris branches to merge is a note for me, so i dont forget :) 22:31 chris the new statuses should help us track them, before we used to just have patch-sent for everything 22:31 chris so was hard to know what state the patch was in 22:31 hdl chris: all the 167 bugs that you talk about are not in branches are they ? 22:32 chris some might be, they will be noted on the bug if they are 22:32 chris for eg 5575 22:32 chris but the vast majority, no, they are a single patch 22:32 chris if they get signed off 22:32 chris i create a branch, test that branch 22:32 hdl but some are quite old... 22:32 chris merge to master 22:33 hdl the patch sent could need conflict solving 22:33 chris yes, some people will have to rebase their patches if they want them to apply, some nice people like owen have been rebasing peoples 22:33 chris yes, the person trying to sign off then has 2 options 22:33 chris work with the person who sent the patch to resolve the conflict 22:33 chris or set the status to patch wont apply, and note the conflicts 22:34 nengard owen would you mind writing up a short tutorial on what you're doing to rebase other people's patches? If I had instructions I'd gladly help out 22:34 chris http://bugs.koha-community.org/bugzilla3/show_bug.cgi?id=4329 22:34 munin 04Bug 4329: enhancement, PATCH-Sent, ---, jwagner, ASSIGNED, OPAC search by shelving location option 22:34 * nengard notices that owen isn't here ... 22:34 chris heres one i prepared earlier 22:34 chris #action nengard to ask owen about a tutorial on rebasing others patches 22:34 hdl nengard: git am -3 is your friend 22:35 hdl it tries to merge and let you solve conflict if there is. 22:35 hdl And then you can use git mergetool 22:36 chris hokay 22:37 chris so the plan for january, lets get needs signoff under 100 :) 22:37 nengard :) 22:37 hdl why not... 22:37 chris jan 22 is the halfway mark for 3.4.0 22:37 hdl Lets have also some deep work done on persistence 22:37 * Brooke shudders. 22:38 chris early feb, we should be merging the template toolkit work, all things going well 22:38 chris i will give lots of warning for that though 22:39 chris thats all i have on 3.4.x ... any questions? 22:40 hdl I donot see the remove items branch in your plan. 22:40 hdl Is it in ? 22:40 chris does it have a bug number? 22:41 chris basically if its not attached to a bug that i can track, chances are i will miss it 22:41 chris its vitally important that everything has a bug, even if that just contains a link to the branch to pull 22:41 hdl What about a persistence meeting, we agreed that we could have one at the beginning of the year. 22:41 chris yep thats up to someone to organise, theres still time for things to get in, code freeze wont be until april 22:42 * gregglind perks up at persistence, which could mean lots of thigns 22:42 chris #action someone organise a meeting to talk about persistance 22:42 hdl http://bugs.koha-community.org/bugzilla3/show_bug.cgi?id=5579 22:42 munin 04Bug 5579: enhancement, P5, ---, gmcharlt, NEW, Remove items from biblioitems.marcxml 22:43 chris if there are patches ready for that, set it to patch-sent and needs signoff and attach the patches or link to the branch 22:43 chris and then it will be in the queue 22:43 * nengard prefers patches attached (if it matters) 22:44 * jcamins agrees with nengard, at least when it's only one. 22:44 chris sometimes thats not feasible, if its 12 patches etc 22:44 nengard i understand 22:44 chris ok, we should push on, still have lots of agenda 22:44 chris no chris_n still, so will leave that 22:45 chris #action chris_n send an email to the devel list if there is anything we need to know about 3.2.x 22:45 chris #topic Koha Mission/Community Guidelines 22:46 chris nengard: you added this? 22:46 nengard Brooke gave us her three words summary last time 22:46 nengard I thought we should move ahead with that 22:46 nengard and use these two documents to start creating something a bit more official 22:46 chris i like the idea 22:46 nengard at kohacon10 people complained that we had no 'official' rules/guidelines/codes etc 22:47 nengard I know the ubuntu on is creative commons 22:47 nengard so we can take it and change Ubuntu to Koha and start with that if we want 22:47 nengard did anyone find the licensing on the Debian one? 22:48 chris easiest way would be to email them and ask id imagine, i think its under their web license 22:48 chris but i dont think we need to use their words 22:48 chris just their ideas 22:49 nengard well as the one who ends up doing most of the writing, i'm all for copying and changing a few things to meet our needs 22:49 chris the debian one is commendably short :) 22:49 nengard instead of using it as a guide and writing it fresh 22:49 chris well, brooke would probably write it 22:49 chris eh brooke 22:49 * Brooke gulps. 22:49 chris :) 22:49 Brooke I will try. 22:49 nengard what's wrong with using what it says and editing it? 22:49 thd I would hardly expect the Debian document to not have a sufficiently free copyright license unless it is meant to serve as a legal document in which case any copyright license would be moot. 22:50 chris whats wrong with using its ideas and writing it in our words 22:50 nengard the work involved 22:51 hdl it would mean copy paste edit... Which is not a good software desing 22:51 thd Yes, writing is work. 22:51 hdl reuse templates is good 22:51 nengard okey dokey, if someone wants to write it great, i'm just trying to move us forward instead of waiting around for someone else to do the work :) 22:52 * Brooke might just be someone else. 22:52 nengard great 22:52 Brooke I'm just saying, it melted me pea sized brain when I looked at both side by side. 22:52 hdl nengard++ Brooke++ 22:52 Brooke clearly I just need to try harder. 22:53 chris slef undoubtedly has some ideas around it also 22:53 wizzyrea brooke: i'm happy to help too 22:53 Brooke hooray, I'll need it. 22:53 wizzyrea (not that you'd need it, mind you) 22:53 wizzyrea ...or that 22:53 wizzyrea :) 22:53 Brooke collaboration > flying solo 22:53 wizzyrea ^^ truf 22:54 slef sorry, distracted by the cricket highlights... Bell century :-) 22:54 chris #action brooke with the help of wizzyrea and others to start on a draft code of conduct/ social contract thingy 22:54 Lee well I am with Nic- no sense in reinventing the wheel 22:54 slef Which debian one is being considered? 22:54 Lee Ubuntu and Debian are reliable sources 22:54 nengard links were in the agenda - which i don't have open :) 22:55 chris #link http://www.debian.org/social_contract 22:55 Brooke http://www.ubuntu.com/community/conduct 22:55 chris #link http://www.ubuntu.com/community/conduct 22:55 chris if you do the #link bit brooke it formats nicely for the minutes 22:55 chris just fyi 22:55 slef Personally, I like the e-democracy.org rules, but I suspect some things like the anti-mailbombing limit will be a bit harsh. 22:55 Brooke yessir. 22:55 slef Well, now, you see, the social contract isn't a code of conduct. 22:56 chris nope they are different beasts 22:56 slef So what are we trying to do here? 22:56 slef Both? One or the other? 22:56 nengard i think both 22:56 chris i think woudl be nice to have both 22:56 Brooke I think we're doing both 22:56 nengard plus a mission statement 22:56 Brooke and I suspect 22:56 nengard based on talks at kohacon 22:56 Brooke that one will morph into 22:56 chris mission statement = social contract 22:56 nengard i disagree 22:56 Brooke almost a vendory type affirmation 22:56 nengard your mission is what you want to achieve 22:57 nengard what's the point of the koha project 22:57 slef The social contract is what debian wants to achieve. 22:57 chris *nod* 22:57 nengard okay then 22:57 chris anyway maybe we should move this to its own discussion? and move on, on the agenda? 22:58 chris sounds like there are enough interested parties to make sure something is done 22:58 gregglind from working with other orgs, it has been useful to remember that these sorts of docs can be draft/iterate, and tend not to be as complex as the ylook. 22:58 slef So, we're looking for both. Collect more examples by next meeting? 22:58 chris slef: that couldnt hurt 22:59 chris gregglind: good point 22:59 slef #link http://pages.e-democracy.org/Rules 23:01 chris ok, im gonna move on, people can continue this discussion post meeting 23:01 chris #topic Koha Newsletter automation 23:01 chris nengard: you're up again 23:01 nengard nope, that's slef 23:01 nengard he's trying to make my life easier :) 23:01 nengard but it's his ideas 23:02 chris i thought you wanted to reduce it to bi-monthly 23:02 nengard I do - and I am - slef thought he could make it stay monthly with some automatiion 23:02 slef ah hi... this is something I mentioned here a few weeks ago and we decided to bring it through a meeting 23:02 chris righto 23:03 slef to see if the change is worth it to have monthly newsletters continue 23:04 slef First question, do people prefer monthly newsletters? 23:04 daniel Do we want to ask who "people" are? Who the target audience is, or is imagined to be? 23:05 jransom and prefer over 'what' 23:05 slef nengard: who's the target audience? 23:05 nengard all of you ... i thought :) 23:05 chris perhaps a straw pole on the koha list? 23:05 * Brooke consults her bylctionary for the definition of "is" again. 23:05 slef jransom: prefer over bi-monthly 23:05 Lee I read it 23:05 jransom i prefer it over weekly or quarterly 23:05 jransom i read it too 23:05 chris i like monthly 23:05 Lee but I like the daily on Twitter too 23:05 jransom its a good summary of everything i might have missed 23:05 Lee more spontaneous 23:05 chris if we shifted to the 24th of the month, you could have a 3.2.x release in each one ;) 23:06 nengard I don't mind doing it monthly if people start sending me content more - i'm not a fan of teeth pulling 23:06 nengard and nagging to get articles 23:06 nengard I'm find with shifting the date too 23:06 nengard fine with 23:06 chris i could write a regular article 23:06 chris state of 3.4 23:06 jransom completely understyands nicole aversion to 'being the mother' 23:06 chris for each one 23:07 nengard good way to put it jo - i never ever want to be a mother 23:07 Lee is there away to gather stuff that isnt so time sensitive 23:07 nengard that's what slef was talking about 23:07 nengard a way to gather info automatically 23:07 slef So third question here... would contributors be willing to set up a blog feed or category just for articles? 23:07 Lee like posts to the Koha Daily...used in the newslatter 23:08 Lee letter 23:08 slef "the Koha Daily" = some paper.li site? 23:08 Lee I like the blog feed idea alot 23:08 Lee I would like to see RSS of some of our cohort on the newletter 23:09 Lee the Koha daily I believe is a twitter feed, isnt Nicole? 23:09 slef Maybe we should run two straw polls? One asking readers if they mind if it becomes bi-monthly; and one asking contributors if they'd set up a feed for contributions? 23:10 nengard slef there is the yahoo pipe already that does have a lot of content 23:10 nengard not newseltter specific, but koha specific 23:10 slef Or maybe the IRC cabal of me and nengard should just do whatever we think best? ;-) 23:10 Lee ++ 23:11 slef nengard: mirrored at http://owu.towers.org.uk/planets/koha/ and http://owu.towers.org.uk/planets/koha/index.rss IIRC 23:11 nengard slef i'm up for working with you :) 23:11 jransom cabal +1 23:11 magnus +1 23:11 nengard in the mean time everyone send me something for a january newsletter 23:11 * Brooke was promised initiate status for acquiring candles. 23:11 slef oh sorry, IRC cabal of me nengard and wizzyrea because we need stuff installed ;-) 23:11 nengard and we'll stay monthly as long as i can keep content coming 23:12 nengard i'll move publication to the 25th of the month instead of the 15th 23:12 nengard so you have until the 23rd to get me content 23:12 nengard 23rd your local time zone) 23:12 thd Waring about depending upon non-free Yahoo pipes. 23:13 Lee here is a tidbit- inspite of the disaster Butte migrated to 3.2.1 23:13 ricardo nengard: That's great... That way we can have the "Koha Monthly Newsletter Christmas Special" on the 25th of December! ;-) 23:13 nengard thd - i'm not depending on it - i'm using it as a tool 23:13 nengard give me something else that works as well and i'll use it 23:13 thd :) 23:13 nengard ricard - the 25th of december issue will need to be done by the 15th of the month! :) 23:13 chris #action newsletter moved to 25th, slef and nengard to work on ideas to make it less onerous 23:14 slef nengard: just keep a backup of the feeds and I can throw up an aggregator if Yahoo Pipes ever goes wrong. 23:14 Lee okay I gotta go deal with movers... hugs to all 23:14 Brooke cheers 23:14 nengard slef - no prob! 23:14 ricardo Bye Lee! 23:14 chris #topic action points from last meeting 23:14 chris #link http://librarypolice.com/koha-meetings/2010/koha.2010-12-08-10.00.html 23:14 chris meetings on rfc? still to be organised? 23:14 chris ditto the biblibre qa session? 23:15 Brooke the page is up, but no one stepped up 23:15 hdl paul will call for a meeting soon i think 23:15 hdl thanks Brooke for that 23:16 chris thd: you added the category for performance related rfc? 23:16 thd yes 23:16 chris tick 23:16 thd It has been there a month now. 23:17 thd I am typing the last words for a koha list message to restart the ballot process for copyright license upgrade. 23:17 chris hdl did his task and that branch has been merged 23:17 chris number 6, is meetings again 23:17 hdl thd: can you post the link ? 23:17 chris excellent thd 23:17 chris thd++ 23:18 thd hdl: I will post the link when I have sent the message. 23:18 chris and jwagner sent out the reminder email 23:18 hdl (fot the record) 23:18 hdl thd: link to the performance rfc 23:18 chris its a category hdl 23:19 hdl oh yes. 23:19 thd hdl: I could not really find a proper performance RFC but I applied the category to one RFC about circulation. 23:19 chris hokay 23:20 chris #topic time and date for next meeting 23:21 chris 3rd feb? 10:00 utc 23:22 slef Chinese New Year (Xin-Mao) 23:23 slef otherwise I think it's OK for me 23:23 hdl 2nd Feb would be better for me 23:23 slef Groundhog Day :) 23:23 chris 2nd is ok 23:23 slef 2nd also seems ok 23:23 chris any objections to the 2nd ... or the time? 23:23 hdl (it is a wednesday) 23:24 jcamins No objections from me. 23:24 cait +1 23:24 jcamins (though I can't promise I'll actually manage to wake up for it) 23:24 chris :) 23:25 hdl can't keep my eyes open... 23:25 chris yeah that will be me next meeting 11pm nz time 23:26 chris ok, if there are no objections 23:26 ricardo Is there already some agenda proposal for the next meeting? 23:26 chris #agreed next meeting is at 10:00UTC 2nd Feb 23:26 chris #action ricardo has just volunteered to set up the page for the meeting 23:26 jransom thanks everyone 23:26 ricardo chris-- 23:27 ricardo ;-) 23:27 chris its easy, copy todays 23:27 chris http://wiki.koha-community.org/wiki/IRC_Meetings 23:27 ricardo chris: LOL! OK, eheh... 23:27 chris and then change the dates, and blank of the agenda 23:27 magnus i'm on it actually 23:27 chris cool 23:28 chris who wants to send out the reminder ? 23:28 ricardo magnus: So, will you edit it? Great, thanks! 23:28 * ricardo sighs with great relief ;-) 23:29 hdl good night 23:29 chris #action someone send out a reminder email about the meeting 23:29 ricardo Good night hdl. Sleep well ! 23:29 chris #endmeeting 23:29 munin Meeting ended Wed Jan 5 23:29:42 2011 UTC. Information about MeetBot at http://wiki.debian.org/MeetBot . (v 0.1.4) 23:29 munin Minutes: http://librarypolice.com/koha-meetings/2011/koha.2011-01-05-22.01.html 23:29 munin Minutes (text): http://librarypolice.com/koha-meetings/2011/koha.2011-01-05-22.01.txt 23:29 munin Log: http://librarypolice.com/koha-meetings/2011/koha.2011-01-05-22.01.log.html 23:29 ricardo WOW 23:30 ricardo chris: You've "tamed" munin beatifully for the meetings :) 23:30 ricardo chris++ 23:30 chris gmcharlt installed the module, i just drove it 23:30 ricardo chris: Nice... What's the name of the module? 23:30 chris meetbot 23:30 ricardo Meetbot 23:30 chris its what debian use 23:30 ricardo right 23:31 gmcharlt which reminds me, I need to get the logs shipped to k-c.org 23:31 ricardo I just read it up there now 23:31 ricardo gmcharlt: Hi! :) 23:31 chris http://wiki.koha-community.org/wiki/General_IRC_Meeting,_5_January_2011#Minutes 23:31 chris done 23:31 chris thanks magnus 23:32 chris i wonder who douger was 23:32 magnus we will probably never know... 23:33 ricardo magnus: Do I set up the wiki page for the next meeting or will you do / are you doing that ? 23:34 chris http://wiki.koha-community.org/wiki/General_IRC_Meeting,_2_February_2011 23:34 magnus ricardo: it's done: http://wiki.koha-community.org/wiki/General_IRC_Meeting,_2_February_2011 - please feel free to correct any mistakes, though... 23:34 ricardo magnus: Looks fine by me! :) 23:34 ricardo AH! 23:35 ricardo Typo 23:35 ricardo Fixing it, eheh 23:35 ricardo "5 January 2010" ;-) 23:35 slef like that was a typing error... 23:35 Brooke I can still catch the end of topgear and the beginning of Hardball if I log. 23:35 Brooke cheers 23:36 ricardo Fixed :) 23:36 magnus thanks ricardo 23:37 ricardo magnus: you're welcome :) 23:38 ricardo I'm sorry for not being active on the Koha project. Lots of work (at work) with non-koha related stuff and some more obligations are keeping me busy :-( 23:38 magnus sounds all too familiar, ricardo... ;-) 23:39 ricardo My last "push" was on December ( Approving/fixing +/- 250 strings for the Portuguese "pt-PT" translation for Koha 3.2) 23:39 slef amen 23:39 ricardo But I'm guessing I'll only be able to resume work on that near the end of this month :-( 23:39 magnus better late than never :-) 23:40 ricardo magnus: Thanks for the kind words :) 23:40 ricardo slef: Thank you also! 23:41 * magnus should be asleep now... 23:41 slef I'm being kept busy with strange koha questions, as well as non-koha work (surge of wordpress) 23:41 gregglind so, I mostly do python (though I know perl as well) and js. What's most useful to tackle? 23:42 chris how well do you know koha? 23:42 gregglind and my background is stats, fwiw. 23:42 slef Write a review of django-ils ;-) 23:42 gregglind not terribly well yet. 23:42 gregglind Is there such a thing? 23:42 slef help, we're drowning in statisticians 23:42 chris you might want to look at any of the bugs that involve js 23:42 slef gregglind: yes. I think it's on github somewhere. 23:43 ricardo slef: LOL! 23:43 gregglind yeah, well, I have good cs background as well, and lots of mlis partners so I'm not totally subject-idiotic 23:43 ricardo slef: I don't believe that. Show me the numbers that prove it! ;-) 23:43 slef gregglind: it's on my to-look-at list. I'll get to it next month :-/ 23:43 gregglind #link https://bitbucket.org/permafacture/django-ils/ 23:44 slef not a meeting, don't need #link to put it in the minutes 23:44 gregglind fair enough 23:44 jcamins Okay, time for me to pack some more. 23:44 * ricardo is googling for "MLIS" and finding the "Master of Library and Information Science" page in Wikipedia. Nice... 23:44 jcamins Good night, #koha 23:44 ricardo jcamins: Good night (oops... too late) 23:45 slef gregglind: that's the thing, though. I was only kidding about writing a review. 23:45 gregglind I hear it though, and I don't really know the competitive space that well! I do know librarians, and I met nicole a while back, yada yada 23:46 chris id pick a bug you think you can fix, and have a crack :) 23:47 chris there are a few related to js 23:47 cait getting late - bye all :) 23:47 slef ok, I'm going to watch a film, then zzz 23:47 chris cya cait 23:47 slef cait: fibber... it's already late there. night! 23:47 gregglind fair enough! Any special hints on osx? I am also very interested in testng 23:47 slef gregglind: run away? ;-) 23:47 chris use virtualbox 23:47 gregglind I am sure I can find something that is niggling me 23:48 chris and install debian squeeze in it, and make your life a million times easier :) 23:48 slef gregglind: virtualbox would be good... I used fink and it didn't really work right... others have used macports and reported better success 23:48 chris virtual machine is handy 23:48 chris you just burn it down and start again if you mess soemthing up 23:49 gregglind I tend to like homebrew. does koha need a recipe? and I will have to poke virtualbox! 23:49 gregglind anyway, I am sure there is lots of low-hanging fruit :) 23:49 robin http://blog.triumphovermadness.com/2011/01/setting-up-koha-in-virtual-environment.html <-- gregglind 23:50 slef robin: I thought that moved to the wiki? 23:50 gregglind robin ++ 23:50 robin oh, possibly. I just had it open in my browser already. 23:50 slef gregglind: but read the wiki. There's lots there. 23:50 slef now I'm really gone :-) 23:51 gregglind there is a lot there :) a little too a lot, thus my asking for entry points! 23:51 ricardo Bye "statistician slef"! ;-) Take care