Time Nick Message 23:41 chris back 22:48 robin Almost lunch time here 22:47 robin mm food. 22:47 Brooke should do in the last of this cobe. 22:47 Brooke I'm off to get some master broth from the Chinese place and mebbe some happy Chicken, Broccoli & Garlic sauce. 22:38 cait don't break koha while I am sleeping ;) 22:37 Brooke night 22:37 cait ok, bed time :) 22:35 robin yeah, I was going to call 'snap' :) 22:35 chris Heh robin and I reply at the same time 22:34 robin yeah, I remember that too. Was no good at it though :) 22:34 Brooke :) 22:33 cait thx Brooke 22:32 chrisdoth I remember playing that in primary school... 22:31 Brooke http://maorilifestyles.blogspot.com/2009/04/maori-stick-games.html 22:31 Brooke have a picture. 22:31 cait sticks? 22:30 * Brooke plays sticks with Chris while he waits. 22:29 * chris waits for indexes to rebuild 22:11 hudsonbot * Chris Cormack: Bug 5283 Follow up, fixing broken template syntax 22:11 hudsonbot * Owen Leonard: Fix for Bug 3262 - OPAC needs syspref to show homebranch on detail page 22:11 hudsonbot Project Koha_Master build #234: STILL UNSTABLE in 22 min: http://hudson.koha-community.org/job/Koha_Master/234/ 21:55 Brooke see ya 21:55 druthb see ya, Jane. 21:55 jwagner Bye all. 21:55 * jwagner goes off to salvage the rest of my weekend 21:51 cait hehe 21:50 * druthb is being lured to cait's fridge by the fudge. 21:49 hudsonbot Starting build 234 for job Koha_Master (previous build: STILL UNSTABLE -- last SUCCESS #188 13 days ago) 21:49 * cait tries to ignore it 21:49 cait this fudge is trying to lure me to the fridge.. 21:48 hudsonbot Chris Cormack: Revert "Merge remote branch 'kc/new/bug_5373' into kcmaster" 21:48 hudsonbot Project Koha_Master build #233: STILL UNSTABLE in 24 min: http://hudson.koha-community.org/job/Koha_Master/233/ 21:48 cait yeah, too slow in 2 windows 21:48 Brooke you and me both, Cait. 21:47 munin New commit(s) kohagit: Merge remote branch 'kc/new/enh/bug_5283' into kcmaster <http://git.koha-community.org/gitweb/?p=koha.git;a=commitdiff;h=3c19f22f8625105715f9ba5f4fca2b0502bcd9cc> / Bug 5283 Follow up, fixing broken template syntax <http://git.koha-community.org/gitweb/?p=koha.git;a=commitdiff;h=206e0709d7041368666fa109c66663e1af52d174> 21:47 cait ah, too slow... 21:47 cait sleep well 21:47 cait night magnus 21:47 magnus_a good night #koha 21:27 munin New commit(s) kohagit: Fix for Bug 3262 - OPAC needs syspref to show homebranch on detail page <http://git.koha-community.org/gitweb/?p=koha.git;a=commitdiff;h=75762a63e940040d3d9bcc26566b0079000078a8> 21:27 Brooke clearly you need a care package. 21:27 jcamins And I already made brownies. 21:27 jcamins Yeah, that's true. But I don't have chocolate, either. Just cocoa powder. 21:26 Brooke that thar is the conservadem of cookies. 21:26 Brooke or healthy (oatmeal + raisin) 21:26 Brooke I mean, you either want slutty (chocolate + peanut butter) 21:26 Brooke no, it's sitting on the fence. 21:25 jcamins Too healthy? 21:25 Brooke peanut butter + oatmeal = sacriledge. 21:25 jcamins No, but requires far less sugar. 21:24 Brooke not nearly as sexy as fudge. 21:24 hudsonbot Starting build 233 for job Koha_Master (previous build: STILL UNSTABLE -- last SUCCESS #188 13 days ago) 21:24 Brooke meh. 21:24 jcamins So I think I might make these http://www.cooks.com/rec/view/0,2310,154177-234202,00.html 21:24 Brooke not as much as I need an Ubuntu package. 21:24 cait chris: have to run a marathon now... 21:24 cait yeah, you really need a lot of sugar 21:23 Brooke hooray :D 21:23 hudsonbot Jesse Weaver: Add .packages file for Ubuntu 10.10 21:23 hudsonbot Project Koha_Master build #232: STILL UNSTABLE in 24 min: http://hudson.koha-community.org/job/Koha_Master/232/ 21:23 Brooke nomnomnomnomnom 21:23 jcamins I wanted to make fudge, but I don't think I can, since I don't have much sugar. 21:23 jcamins Mmmm! 21:22 cait #koha 21:22 * cait puts a plate with more fudge in the middle of koha 21:09 * Brooke waves to rachel 21:07 cait back 21:07 munin New commit(s) kohagit: Revert "Merge remote branch 'kc/new/bug_5373' into kcmaster" <http://git.koha-community.org/gitweb/?p=koha.git;a=commitdiff;h=c9465ed9dfb0ec557a674104f11bb969213c315b> 21:07 chris cool 21:07 cait will be back shortly 21:06 cait ok, will change the chat to the computer where koha is 21:06 cait :) 21:06 chris git + branches = pull things out if they fail testing easily 21:06 chris too easy 21:06 chris http://git.koha-community.org/gitweb/?p=koha.git;a=commit;h=c9465ed9dfb0ec557a674104f11bb969213c315b 21:05 cait git++ 21:05 chris man i love git 21:05 chrisdoth cait: im still here, just trying to track down one of the bugs you mentioned :p 21:04 * Brooke points out that Koha has a cadre of Chrises. 21:04 cait ah, still listening :) 21:04 chrisdoth cait: thank you very much :) 21:04 cait chrisdoth++ 21:03 cait and tell it the other chris too - his work is great :) 21:03 cait good :) 21:02 chris no worries, we know you arent complaining, testing only works if people report the bugs :) 21:02 cait not complaining - i think it works great. we only need to fix some gliches 21:01 cait no worries :) 21:01 chris ta 21:01 cait reported some other problems on the wiki 21:01 chris k 21:01 cait talking about umlauts now 21:00 chris and is it umlaut problem again or a different one? 21:00 chris k 21:00 cait it's ok without xslt 21:00 chris yup 20:59 cait always speaking about staff at the moment 20:59 hudsonbot Starting build 232 for job Koha_Master (previous build: STILL UNSTABLE -- last SUCCESS #188 13 days ago) 20:59 cait with xslt display on 20:59 chris oh interesting 20:59 cait broken 20:59 cait chris: ok, from all tabs in details only normal is borken 20:58 * Brooke mutters at the renaming of things. 20:57 chris :) 20:57 munin New commit(s) kohagit: Add .packages file for Ubuntu 10.10 <http://git.koha-community.org/gitweb/?p=koha.git;a=commitdiff;h=88d3d09897aa8624b20ad5762b0c06699caa766e> 20:57 cait funny, the record looks quite good 20:57 chris can you note it down though please 20:56 chris yup, that's expected 20:56 cait the forms are broken a little too 20:56 cait hm I see some problems in cataloging 20:53 cait yep 20:53 chris just displayed wrong 20:53 chris and its perfectly fine in master .. so its stored ok in the db 20:53 cait no problem 20:53 chris cool chrisdoth can now reproduce it, thanks heaps cait 20:52 cait http://www.fernstudiert.de/fernstudium/doku.php?id=koha:template_toolkit&s[]=toolkit - I updated and added some new things 20:52 cait yep, that's what I think too 20:51 chris i suspect fixing the branchname .. will fix it everywhere 20:51 chris cool, that should give us some stuff too look at :) 20:51 chris yup 20:51 cait or manipulate a loaded one... but add the button to the list 20:51 cait not so easy 20:50 cait yeah, but have to find one with real umlauts first 20:50 chris or just edit an existing one? 20:50 chris cait: can you load one in? 20:50 hdl good day nz and good night europa 20:50 chris right, so we just need to check if its records too 20:50 cait my new record button does not work 20:49 cait you can test that with itemtype too and other things, it's always the same 20:49 cait but the display is broken in a lot of places 20:49 cait yep, can do that now 20:49 cait and that happens in a lot of places I tested 20:49 chris and you are about to test a record? 20:49 cait chris: right 20:48 cait that's why we do some things to our data before loading into koha - making it a one character ü 20:48 Brooke http://catalog.loc.gov/cgi-bin/Pwebrecon.cgi?DB=local&Search_Arg=Goethe&Search_Code=GKEY%5E*&CNT=100&hist=1&type=quick 20:48 Brooke just looked fine from 20:48 chris so saving a branch name, ends up with the branch name messed up 20:48 chris right .. back to the template toolkit work 20:48 cait they make u + dots in utf-8 - that is vlaid, but the browsers have problems 20:48 Brooke I will trust you then. 20:48 cait Brooke: it's the normalization - trust me :) 20:48 * chris suspects not 20:47 Brooke so I suspect it is a matter of display 20:47 chris Brooke: has that got anything to do with the template toolkit stuff? 20:47 Brooke but they aren't on the search screen 20:47 cait the dots should be over the letters, not beside 20:47 cait Brooke: the umlauts there are broken too - but that's because of the normalization 20:46 cait in display on the front page and when you open it for edit 20:46 * Brooke titters. 20:46 Brooke which is amusingly busted 20:46 Brooke http://catalog.loc.gov/cgi-bin/Pwebrecon.cgi?v1=1&ti=1,1&Search%5FArg=Goethe&Search%5FCode=GKEY%5E%2A&CNT=100&type=quick&PID=o1Y5v77vfQjwNcDefpZumxx3h6Z&SEQ=20101219154838&SID=1 20:46 cait the library name is broken after saving 20:46 cait let me create a record next 20:46 cait right :) 20:46 cait there is one problem spotted in the records too - but did not really test that yet 20:45 chris (cos they are in the db too) 20:45 chris ahh i thought it was the records 20:45 cait the problems I reported is all data from the database 20:45 cait did not really test that yet 20:45 cait ah not the records 20:45 cait chris: it's not the umlauts 20:45 chris ahh easy 20:45 cait what I did right now was create a new library with code TEST and name äüäßÄÖÜ 20:45 chris if you could send us some marc records with the umlauts in them, then we can load them in to test 20:44 cait chris told me to make screenshots of the umlaut problem, but I think it should be easily reproducable too 20:44 * chrisdoth waves back to everyone :) 20:44 chrisdoth hello cait and chris :) 20:44 * Brooke wave to chris. 20:43 * cait waves to chrisdoth 20:43 chris chrisdoth meet cait, who has been testing your work ;) 20:43 chris there he is ;) 20:43 chris ill ask him to hop on here 20:43 chris chris just asked for screenshots of the umlaut problem .. oh if you could send us some marc records with umlauts that would be handy too 20:42 cait any special wished? and have you checked the updates on the wiki pages? 20:42 cait after the film is now ;) 20:41 chris ah ok, yep after the film is fine 20:40 ibot :) 20:40 cait ibot botsnack fudge 20:40 ibot rumour has it chris is awesome 20:40 cait chris? 20:40 cait ok, film over 20:28 hudsonbot Frédéric Demians: Bug 5506 Improve translation script 20:28 hudsonbot Project Koha_Master build #231: STILL UNSTABLE in 28 min: http://hudson.koha-community.org/job/Koha_Master/231/ 20:28 hudsonbot Frédéric Demians: Bug 5506 Improve translation script 20:28 hudsonbot Project Koha_3.2.x build #60: STILL UNSTABLE in 28 min: http://hudson.koha-community.org/job/Koha_3.2.x/60/ 20:27 cait http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Tatort 20:26 cait sorry, tatort 20:26 * Brooke is just this side of safe from being replaced by a chat bot a bit longer/ 20:26 jcamins cait: never mind. 20:26 jcamins Jo's food blog is at http://lesttheybelost.blogspot.com/ 20:25 jcamins Thanks! 20:25 cait huh? 20:25 Brooke http://lesttheybelost.blogspot.com/ 20:25 jcamins Brooke: cait: any idea? 20:25 * Brooke gasps at ibot's recalcitrance. 20:24 ibot jcamins: i don't know 20:24 jcamins ibot: jo's food blog? 20:19 cait looks like the translation problems changed a , into comma 20:18 cait I found some ohter things - there is a problem with patron search 20:18 cait I am on the other laptop right now, will do after the film is over - that ok? 20:17 cait you can easily reproduce it I think by setting up a database with german sample date - but of course will do 20:17 chris could you please do some screenshots of the umlaut problem you had with TT ? 20:17 cait yes 20:17 chris cait: you around for a litte bit longer? 20:11 Brooke The doormouse is asleep again. 20:11 hdl tic tac tic tac 20:10 * Brooke thinks January will be quite a busy meeting month. 20:10 Brooke aye. 20:10 hdl but the longer we take to organize, the shorter time will be to get things done. 20:08 hdl So after new year would be great. 20:08 hdl anyway, such a meeting would have to be prepared, with some testing instance of code... And some work being prepared... 20:08 Brooke aye, it would also give you time to relax, cher. 20:07 jcamins hdl: but reading the logs is not the same as participating. 20:07 cait hdl: I think after new year should be ok - a discussion can only take place if there are people to discuss things 20:07 hdl cait: a lot of people may be interested but they also will be able to read the logs.... 20:06 chris chris_n: you recommend a revert for 5373 ? 20:05 Brooke this is why I had a pickle of a time coming up with the wiki, blank as it was. 20:05 cait but a lot of people might be interested - better give them a chance to participate 20:04 cait I think most people will be away 20:04 chris ahh, after new years then? 20:04 hdl (But maybe we could arrange some meeting though.... It really IS important) 20:03 hdl ) 20:03 hdl (I am supposed to be on holiday. 20:03 hdl chris.... I would not be there. 19:59 hudsonbot Starting build 60 for job Koha_3.2.x (previous build: STILL UNSTABLE -- last SUCCESS #54 12 days ago) 19:59 hudsonbot Starting build 231 for job Koha_Master (previous build: STILL UNSTABLE -- last SUCCESS #188 12 days ago) 19:59 chris maybe in between christmas and new year? 19:58 chris i think will have to wait til after xmas? 19:58 hdl when should we schedule the meeting ? 19:57 munin New commit(s) kohagit32: Bug 5506 Improve translation script <http://git.koha-community.org/gitweb/?p=koha.git;a=commitdiff;h=9c1fa4581c21bfd30400c0323ebe8081e4d3ee19> 19:53 chris (and not just cache the db query, cache the processed result) 19:53 hdl I think so... 19:53 chris but once we are running in a persistant way, we can do smarter things 19:53 munin New commit(s) kohagit: Bug 5506 Improve translation script <http://git.koha-community.org/gitweb/?p=koha.git;a=commitdiff;h=814795da60318c70059fc1dfbe7be4da37109db0> 19:52 chris but we dont do a lot of that, because without persistance there is no point 19:52 chris (in code caching) 19:52 chris plack + caching = faster 19:52 chris whereas if you put apache under load, you can break it 19:51 chris ie, it doesnt slow down 19:51 chris but it is much more scalable 19:51 hdl (mmm no, it would be needed for circulation parameters.) 19:51 chris because yes, its the parsing xml that is slow 19:51 chris its not much faster 19:50 hdl have you tried the remove_items branch ? I think that then Plack would not be needed for that one ? How were is your circ performing using Plack ? 19:49 chris exactly 19:49 chris yep 19:49 chris hoping to move it to higher usage one when we fix the data persistance problems 19:49 hdl yes... and we would need to place flush_cache wherever parameters are edited. 19:49 chris its on a very low usage prodcution site 19:49 hdl ? 19:49 hdl Is it in production for one of your sites ? or is it just testing. 19:48 chris but there are places where we need to change code, (any place we use memoize without a timeout etc) 19:48 hdl nice. 19:47 chris i have been running circ under plack for 3 weeks now, and it hasnt exploded yet 19:47 hdl hi. 19:47 chris hdl: i think a meeting on persistance would be good 19:46 ibot druthb: what? 19:46 druthb ibot: be cait 19:45 druthb hehehehehe 19:45 ibot Harrumph! 19:45 Brooke ibot: be druthb 19:45 ibot Brooke: i'm not following you... 19:45 Brooke ibot: be ruth 19:45 ibot Brooke is certainly gonna go 19:45 druthb ibot: Brooke? 19:45 * Brooke feels the love. 19:44 ibot hi, Brooke 19:44 Brooke howdy 19:44 cait hi Brooke 19:43 * druthb winks back. 19:43 * Brooke winks at druthb 19:43 druthb hi, Brooke. :) 19:43 hdl hi all 19:43 Brooke TÄ“nÄ koutou 19:42 chris hi Brooke and hdl 19:38 chris yeah england collapsed bad 19:37 * druthb notes that the Ashes is at 1-each. 19:37 jcamins chris: thanks. 19:36 chris jcamins_a: thanks for the signoff, will push that now, as its a no harm change 19:36 cait hi druthb :) 19:36 druthb hi, chris, jwagner, and richard, and cait. :D 19:34 cait hi chris jawagner and richard 19:34 richard hi chris and jwagner 19:33 jwagner good [select your time of day] 19:33 chris morning 19:29 richard hi 19:06 munin cait: The current temperature in Konstanz, Germany is 0.0�C (8:00 PM CET on December 19, 2010). Conditions: Mostly Cloudy. Humidity: 80%. Dew Point: -3.0�C. Pressure: 29.52 in 1000 hPa (Falling). 19:06 cait @wunder Konstanz 18:51 cait re 15:53 cait hehe 15:50 jcamins An RMS miniature? 15:49 jcamins Hm. 15:49 cait a barcode scanner, a learning perl book and... 15:49 cait hm, waht are the attributes of the koha deities? 15:25 jcamins May the Koha deities defend us from non-profit administration. 15:24 jcamins Non-profits. 15:21 cait [off] what are you talking about? 15:19 jcamins [off] *18*? There were *18* letters to send in this mass mailing? What's the point of a mass mailing to 18 people? 15:09 cait lol 15:06 * kmkale is a dog person 15:04 jcamins Not even vaguely Koha-related, but very cute: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=jm3dm5J5r0A 15:04 kmkale thanks cait 15:04 jcamins Mmm, thank you. 15:03 * cait hands out small fudge quarters to everybody around 14:57 kmkale ooo 3g rollout has finally started in India. Cant wait to get connected 14:52 jcamins Hm. Maybe just five minutes. 14:51 jcamins Oh, apparently I could have just used cp to clone it. 14:51 jcamins Thankfully not as long as people are reporting it will. 14:50 jcamins Hm. Cloning a 5GB hard drive image takes a while, apparently. 14:46 kmkale ubuntu 10.10 works like a charm on it 14:45 kmkale setting it up right now 14:45 jcamins Yeah, computers are ridiculously cheap. 14:45 kmkale I bought a dell N4010 4gb ram, core i3 370, 500gb hdd under usd700 14:45 jcamins (so qemu-kvm isn't going to work for me) 14:44 kmkale cool 14:44 jcamins kmkale: I switched to a Mac. ;) 14:36 kmkale i use qemu-kvm 14:35 cait1 my windows thinks it's 5 june 2005? 14:35 cait1 hi again 14:34 jcamins VirtualBox virtualizes the entire system. 14:34 jcamins I don't think so. 14:34 jcamins Hm. 14:34 jcamins Oh. 14:34 kmkale jcamins: i meant the kernel virtualization 14:33 jcamins It runs on the same computer. 14:33 jcamins kmkale: you don't need a separate kvm switch. 14:31 kmkale sorry jcamins ^^ 14:31 kmkale jcan does virtualbox support kvm? 14:31 cait switching computers - will be back in 5 14:30 cait but I always had only the server edition of ubuntu installed - no desktop 14:30 cait it's great to do koha dev things :) 14:29 cait so much more fun 14:29 cait x 14:29 cait I love working without vm now on my older laptop with linu 14:29 jcamins Right. 14:28 kmkale virtualbox? 14:28 jcamins Instead of running in a window, the VM fills my entire screen, and there are no scrollbars. 14:27 kmkale whats seamless mode jcamins? 14:25 jcamins Seamless mode is really cool! 14:25 jcamins Wow! 14:00 munin jcamins: The operation succeeded. 14:00 jcamins @later tell chris I signed off on the patch for bug 5520, but couldn't send it to koha-patches, so I attached it to the bug. 13:59 cait but I can try that too :) 13:59 cait no 13:55 jcamins Also, did you try sticking it in the refrigerator? 13:54 jcamins Hm. Yeah, I'd try that. 13:53 cait I was thinking about turning it around and try to let the other side dry a little 13:53 kmkale no worries I am home and munching away on fried stuff myself ;) 13:53 cait jcamins: do you have a tip get it into smaller pieces? 13:53 kmkale echo? 13:53 cait hehe 13:53 kmkale aahh food talk :) 13:52 cait we are discussing food - you are right in time :) 13:52 kmkale aahh food talk :) 13:52 kmkale hi jcamins 13:52 cait hi kmkale 13:52 kmkale hi cait 13:52 cait perhaps I have to get a sugar thermometer 13:51 cait I was able to form the ball in the cold water 13:51 cait sticks to my baking paper 13:51 cait and the upper side is dry and ok, but on the bottom it's still a bit too sticky 13:51 cait light brown 13:51 cait it's a soft brown 13:51 cait hm 13:50 jcamins Because that sounds like it didn't set. 13:50 cait *sigh* I feared you would say something like that :) 13:50 cait and I think I got the soft ball stage right this time... perhaps 13:50 jcamins Actually, you probably just undercooked it. 13:50 cait I added cranberries and walnuts instead of cashews 13:50 cait but I used too much condensed milk I think - it tastes very yummy, but is too soft and sticky to be cut into pieces 13:49 jcamins How was it? 13:49 cait I tried jo's fudge recipe 13:49 cait I forgot about it - stumbled on my bookmark earlier today 13:48 jcamins It makes sense to me. 13:48 jcamins I had not. 13:47 cait ? 13:47 cait have you seen my follow up to 5226= 13:46 jcamins Uh-oh... my VM had a status of "Aborted." I hope I didn't break something. 13:46 cait lazy sunday 13:46 jcamins So, how are things, cait? 13:38 cait where are you flying to? 13:38 cait not really... but it's not the right time to sleep here 13:38 cait me is 13:37 * jcamins_a is now 13:21 nengard Anyone awake? Waiting for a plane .. trying to stay awake 11:29 magnus hi cait 11:25 munin cait: The current temperature in Taegerwilen, Taegerwilen, Germany is 1.2�C (12:25 PM CET on December 19, 2010). Conditions: Mostly Cloudy. Humidity: 78%. Dew Point: -2.0�C. Windchill: 1.0�C. Pressure: 29.59 in 1001.9 hPa (Falling). 11:25 cait @wunder Konstanz 11:25 cait hi magnus 11:08 munin magnus: The current temperature in Bodo, Norway is -6.0�C (11:50 AM CET on December 19, 2010). Conditions: Clear. Humidity: 46%. Dew Point: -16.0�C. Windchill: -17.0�C. Pressure: 30.09 in 1019 hPa (Steady). 11:08 magnus @wunder bodo, norway 11:07 magnus kia ora, #koha 11:05 ivanc hi cait :) 11:05 cait hi ivanc :) 10:47 ivanc hi #koha 09:45 chris :) 09:45 cait and the reason why I refused to translate my pref file yesterday - because I had already translated those things like a dozen times :) 09:44 cait that was another very annoying bug 09:44 cait quoted strings wasn't translatable. 09:44 cait [2] For sysprefs, quoted text wasn't properly retrieved from .po file and so 09:44 cait fredericd++ 09:38 chris yup 09:37 cait it's an annoying bug 09:36 chris cool 09:36 cait I already updated the bug, will note in on the wiki page too 09:35 cait hmpf 09:35 cait ran into the language detection problem again 09:32 cait not sure he did for the new installations 09:32 cait I think my coworker was thinking about using the ISIL as name 09:32 chris like the INSTALL files tell you 09:32 chris yeah 09:32 chris (unless you use the packages) 09:32 cait and give this to the installer 09:32 chris whatever name you call it 09:31 chris you have to do it yourself 09:31 cait ah right 09:31 chris the installer never creates the db 09:31 chris and i have done installs on databases not named koha plenty of times 09:31 chris yeah 09:31 cait I would add: don't install the sample data, if you don't want it ;) 09:30 cait I opt for the second 09:30 chris im pretty sure he only ever posts to annoy people 09:30 chris or probably better, just ignore it 09:30 chris would be good too 09:29 chris replying to david lang saying he could report his suggestions in bugzilla, and/or send patches 09:29 chris testing would be good 09:29 cait looking for sunday projects :) 09:29 cait chris: so want me to test? or test something else? 09:28 cait chris: those crazy umluats 09:28 chris cait: i think everything except the umlauts is fixed 09:27 chris would it be wrong to reply to david lang saying send a patch 09:24 cait chris: what is the status of the template toolkit work? 09:24 cait jransom++ for great fudge recipes 09:23 cait yummy - and it got harder, so there is a chance to cut it into pieces now :) 09:22 * cait goes to check on her fudge 09:12 chris heh 09:12 cait you were pushing patches when I went to bed... and now you are still pushing patches ;) 09:12 cait hi chris 09:12 chris hi cait 09:09 cait hi #koha 08:53 hudsonbot * Frédéric Demians: Bug 5446 Fix a bug introduces by previous patch 08:53 hudsonbot * Colin Campbell: Bug 4286 Allow receiving if subscription enddate not set 08:53 hudsonbot * Owen Leonard: Fix for Bug 5518 - Add to shelf icon doesn't appear in OPAC results page 08:53 hudsonbot * Owen Leonard: Follow-up patch for Bug 4908, show patron's home library in OPAC 08:53 hudsonbot * Owen Leonard: Follow-up fix for Bug 5285, adding missing CSS 08:53 hudsonbot Project Koha_Master build #230: STILL UNSTABLE in 24 min: http://hudson.koha-community.org/job/Koha_Master/230/ 08:29 hudsonbot Starting build 230 for job Koha_Master (previous build: STILL UNSTABLE -- last SUCCESS #188 12 days ago) 08:29 munin New commit(s) kohagit: Merge remote branch 'kc/new/bug_5446' into kcmaster <http://git.koha-community.org/gitweb/?p=koha.git;a=commitdiff;h=8902ee5684719b7b7ff936272dcbb96dd558b411> / Bug 5446 Fix a bug introduces by previous patch <http://git.koha-community.org/gitweb/?p=koha.git;a=commitdiff;h=9a048e2b12e2004fad51b5b0db3187a8eb6c2a04> 08:19 munin New commit(s) kohagit: Bug 4286 Allow receiving if subscription enddate not set <http://git.koha-community.org/gitweb/?p=koha.git;a=commitdiff;h=74e63fe0e602f745e711cf00417b965614f7be68> / Fix for Bug 5518 - Add to shelf icon doesn't appear in OPAC results page <http://git.koha-community.org/gitweb/?p=koha.git;a=commitdiff;h=276e1c34307b9bcb2986e4bd1b1318b4bfe12d75> / Merge remote branch 'kc/new/bug_4908' into kcmaster <http://git.koha-community.o 07:06 kmkale in monsoon it rains way too much and in summer its very hot and humid 07:05 kmkale this is the best season of the year around here 07:03 pianohack Cloudy days probably aren't fun, though 07:02 pianohack Yeah, that would make it better 07:02 kmkale its a nice sunny clear day outside 07:02 kmkale its not as bad as it sounds 07:02 pianohack Sorry, that doesn't sound very pleasant 07:01 pianohack Ah, yeah, the Beijing effect 07:01 kmkale too many people and vehicles :( 07:01 kmkale pianohack: its always smokey in Mumbai 07:00 pianohack kmkale: "Conditions: Smoke"? What's going on in your part of the world? 07:00 pianohack though actually 07:00 pianohack (don't call me surely) 07:00 pianohack If the humidity is 78% in this desert wasteland, my name is Shirley 06:55 munin pianohack: The current temperature in Near Trinidad State Junior College, Trinidad, Colorado is -1.7�C (11:58 PM MST on December 18, 2010). Conditions: Clear. Humidity: 78%. Dew Point: -5.0�C. Windchill: -5.0�C. Pressure: 29.83 in 1010.0 hPa (Steady). High wind watch in effect from Sunday afternoon through Monday afternoon... 06:55 pianohack @weather Trinidad, CO 06:55 pianohack Weathertime! @weather Trinidad, CO 06:51 munin kmkale: The current temperature in Mumbai, India is 28.0�C (11:40 AM IST on December 19, 2010). Conditions: Smoke. Humidity: 28%. Dew Point: 8.0�C. Pressure: 29.98 in 1015 hPa (Steady). 06:51 kmkale @weather Mumbai 06:42 chris yep 06:42 pianohack but one step at a time 06:42 pianohack Of course, profiles for the admin/ settings in general would be handy 06:42 kmkale hi chris 06:41 pianohack Very much 06:41 chris to recreate a setup to test 06:41 chris also handy for support companies 06:41 chris sounds good to me 06:40 pianohack YAML dumps marked with a minimum version tag sound good? 06:40 chris 'small public library' 06:40 pianohack Okay 06:40 chris and have the installer use them 06:39 chris pianohack: i think it would be great, then we could set up profiles 06:39 pianohack Hi kmkale 06:32 kmkale hi pianohack 06:30 pianohack How might we help you this fine evening? 06:30 pianohack Hallo 06:30 kmkale hi all 06:28 pianohack Would be a fun airplane hack tomorrow 06:28 pianohack wasabi, since you're the only person awake at 11:30 MST on a saturday; what do you think of a commandline syspref setting/getting/dumping tool? 04:56 wasabi … but its still a bug for 3_2, until its backported from HEAD back to 3_2 (i think?) 04:55 wasabi put that in the bug's comments 04:46 pianohack wasabi: Hey, do you know if I should RESOLVED/WORKSFORME a rel_3_2 bug that I only know is fixed in HEAD? 04:35 ibot ...but ibot is a clever being... 04:35 wasabi ibot: ibot is silly 04:35 wasabi ;) 04:35 ibot Mailing lists are found at http://koha-community.org/support/koha-mailing-lists/ 04:35 wasabi Mailing lists? 04:17 pianohack Okay, there. You have to address the correction syntax directly to ibot 04:16 pianohack It's being pretty stubborn about it 04:16 ibot Mailing lists are found at http://koha-community.org/support/koha-mailing-lists/ or available; take longer, but more people 04:16 pianohack Mailing lists? 04:14 wasabi Mailing lists are found at http://koha-community.org/support/koha-mailing-lists/ 04:14 ibot Mailing lists are found at http://koha-community.org/support/koha-mailing-lists/ or available; take longer, but more people 04:14 wasabi Mailing lists? 04:01 pianohack brendan: around? 04:01 pianohack brendan_l left, hmm 03:54 pianohack Whatever, silly bot 03:54 pianohack no, Mailing lists are found at http://koha-community.org/support/koha-mailing-lists/ 03:54 pianohack No, mailing lists are found at http://koha-community.org/support/koha-mailing-lists/ 03:53 ibot Mailing lists are found at http://koha-community.org/support/koha-mailing-lists/ or available; take longer, but more people 03:53 pianohack Mailing lists? 03:53 pianohack I think I just confused the bot 03:53 pianohack good luck 03:53 ibot okay, pianohack. 03:53 pianohack Mailing lists are also available; take longer, but more people 03:53 kevinD Thanks 03:53 pianohack There's usually someone here on IRC if you have questions 03:53 pianohack kevinD: np 03:52 pianohack If you like the way you get that machine with Ubuntu on it set up, you could even just take it to the nonprofit and let them run Koha off of it 03:52 kevinD That sounds fantastic thanks so much for your help 03:52 pianohack Third is the hardest, but allows you the most room to work down the road 03:52 pianohack Second is slightly harder, but works well 03:52 pianohack First one is the easiest, but you can't do anything very interesting with it 03:51 pianohack You can even install it side-by-side with Mac OS X with a little work 03:51 pianohack Very easy these days 03:51 pianohack *machine 03:51 pianohack Or just install Ubuntu on a spare machien 03:51 pianohack http://kylehall.info/index.php/projects/koha/koha-virtual-appliance/ for that 03:51 pianohack Or, use the virtual machine images; you download them, then run them within Mac OS X or whatever using VMWare Player or Virtualbox (both free) 03:50 kevinD Ok 03:50 pianohack Download the Koha live CD and try it out; you burn it to a CD-R, then boot your computer from it. No commitment or installation 03:50 kevinD Eyes I guess 03:49 kevinD I am all ears 03:49 pianohack If you're not familiar with Linux, there's a few options 03:49 kevinD I have heard of Drupal installed on ubuntu 03:49 pianohack Koha is easiest to install on either Debian or Ubuntu Linux 03:49 pianohack Okay 03:49 kevinD not fluent 03:48 kevinD No really some UNIX 03:48 kevinD So I told them I would look into it before I gave them a answer 03:48 pianohack Are you familiar at all with Linux? 03:48 pianohack Okay 03:48 kevinD I do work for a non profit, they have a quilt museum that needs a database for library 03:47 pianohack Various issues with getting everything installed correctly 03:47 pianohack Umm, installing Koha on Mac OS X is really painful, last I heard, if you're considering that 03:47 kevinD That was local 03:47 pianohack Ah, ok 03:47 pianohack Let me look up mamp 03:47 pianohack Sorry, doing two things at once 03:46 kevinD Pianohack are you still here 03:46 kevinD Sorry iPad changes the words 03:45 kevinD Koha 03:45 kevinD Kohl 03:45 kevinD Do you have a similar setup with kohl ? 03:44 kevinD I have installed Drupa a few times using MAMP 03:44 kevinD How complicated is the install with kohl 03:44 pianohack From what I remember of installing Drupal, they are kind of different 03:43 pianohack kevinD: What's your question? 03:43 pianohack Okay 03:43 kevinD Just wondering about the instal with Koha 03:43 kevinD Hi I am familiar with Drupal 03:38 pianohack What's up? 03:38 pianohack kevinD: I'm around, everyone else might be asleep 03:31 kevinD I have a question about install if anyone is free 03:27 jcamins Anyway, good night, #koha 03:27 munin jcamins: The operation succeeded. 03:27 jcamins @later tell hdl Sorry if I spammed koha-patches. I'm having some problems. 03:26 kevinD Anyone around 03:26 kevinD Hi 03:24 jcamins Wait, I know why. 03:23 jcamins Okay, that didn't work. 03:18 pianohack Casual conversation is a lost art 03:18 ibot pianohack: i'm not following you... 03:18 pianohack ibot: Well, hello there 03:15 jcamins (and the fourth definitely doesn't) 03:15 jcamins My understanding is that 3 of the four options *might* work. 03:14 jcamins Yeah, it does. 03:14 wasabi so i think Koha does depend on being correct, still... 03:13 wasabi i bumped into a install problem with an incorrect ParserDetails.ini file recently 03:13 ibot jcamins: no problem 03:13 jcamins Thanks, ibot. 03:13 ibot rumour has it INSTALL.debian is at git.koha-community.org/gitweb/?p=koha.git;a=blob;f=INSTALL.debian 03:12 jcamins INSTALL.debian? 03:09 jcamins Yeah, but the official bug report was "it doesn't work. 03:06 pianohack Was some encoding issue, no? 03:05 jcamins There's been some discussion about whether it *really* matters, but no one can figure out what the problem was originally. 03:05 pianohack Okay, thanks 03:05 pianohack Dammit 03:05 jcamins pianohack: yeah, it does. 03:05 pianohack Hmm. Does Koha still care about your ParserDetails.ini? Thought I saw a patch to fix that 03:01 wasabi … a new twist to wikileaks 03:00 wasabi http://it.slashdot.org/story/10/12/18/1738207/Spamhaus-Under-DDoS-Over-Wikileaksinfo 02:58 jcamins Yep, looks like I can. 02:57 jcamins Okay, now, can I configure nullmailer with Google Apps... 02:55 pianohack jcamins: Also, I did that bug a bit wrong, but will remember for the next :P 02:55 pianohack Just run apt-get dselect-upgrade 02:55 pianohack jcamins: Don't even need that 02:51 jcamins :D 02:51 jcamins That worked. 02:51 jcamins Cool, thanks. 02:50 eter aptitude install dselect 02:49 jcamins I apparently don't have dselect. 02:48 jcamins No, just kidding, I'm confused. 02:47 jcamins Ah, got it. 02:45 jcamins pianohack: how do you use dpkg --set-selections? 02:45 Brooke cheers lads. 02:27 jcamins And mark the status signed-off. 02:27 jcamins pianohack: create the bug, assign to yourself, and I'll sign off on it, and send it to the list. 02:27 pianohack (also, create the bug, assign it to myself, attach the patch, then mark it RESOLVED FIXED?) 02:26 pianohack Koha cyborg implant working for you? :) 02:26 Brooke eter: you must be this tall to ride DC 02:26 pianohack wow, you're on top of things 02:26 pianohack jcamins: np 02:26 jcamins pianohack: thanks! 02:24 eter i thought that dublincore package wasnt in maveric 02:22 jcamins pianohack: ah, got it. That makes sense. 02:22 pianohack jcamins: Sure, one sec 02:22 pianohack jcamins: Well, the lovely ubuntu packagers help you avoid having to install from CPAN, koha_perl_deps.pl helps you make sure you've installed everything right without constantly reloading the page in the installer; that was a pain 02:22 jcamins pianohack: any chance you could file a bug and attach your patch to the bug? 02:21 jcamins pianohack++ 02:19 jcamins I do know it translates to 50% longer download times, though. ;) 02:18 jcamins eter: I have no idea. 02:18 eter jcamins, does that translate to more productivity? 02:17 eter found some pdfs form nexpress here http://www.nexpresslibrary.org/training-materials-september-2010/ hopefully good enough 02:15 jcamins Wow. Apparently the Koha repository has increased in size by 50% since May. 02:05 jcamins How does koha_perl_deps.pl help you avoid CPAN? 02:05 jcamins No, I use apt-get-debian-lenny.pl 02:04 jcamins I don't think that's the one I use... 02:04 jcamins koha_perl_deps.pl? 02:03 Brooke prolly a tonne 02:03 eter i found two of nengards videos is there more? 02:02 pianohack chris_n++ # koha_perl_deps.pl is wonderful 02:01 pianohack Yay, installed Koha on Maverick w/o CPAN 02:01 pianohack Always annoyed me 02:01 pianohack Even worse, it's window.load 01:57 jcamins (not that I thought they were, I just didn't realize I was editing document.load) 01:57 jcamins For future reference, document.ready and document.load are not interchangeable. 01:56 jcamins Argh! 01:55 Brooke Yes...that's the ticket... 01:54 eter lol Brooke maybe the garbage man did 01:53 Brooke http://wiki.koha-community.org/wiki/Koha_Tutorials 01:52 Brooke and 2) I didn't steal them 01:52 Brooke I keep telling people 1) the tapes never existed. 01:52 Brooke <.< 01:52 Brooke >.> 01:51 jcamins And perhaps Brooke knows where. :) 01:51 jcamins eter: there are a bunch of videos by nengard. 01:51 eter whilst trying to find a way to adapt the interface to a theme of their liking 01:50 eter i was thinking that maybe i should give them the staff interface and let them start using it for populating the data...but being a newwbie to koha myself i'm still here trying to find videos to teach them how to add the data 01:49 eter hhmm lol 01:48 jcamins Errr... stuck out of luck with regards to 01:48 Brooke ayep 01:48 eter lol 01:48 eter out of luck? 01:48 eter whats SOL wrt? ); 01:47 * jcamins works at a library which catalogs papers separately 01:47 * Brooke agrees with jcamins. 01:47 Brooke expect about 85/15 no matter what. 01:47 jcamins eter: if they catalog research papers, they are totally SOL wrt copy cataloging. 01:47 eter ok 01:47 Brooke but even there, there will always be tricky records 01:47 eter a/sl ...age sex location? 01:47 Brooke the key is to find a similar collection and mine it for data. 01:47 eter i figur they might have things like research papers and so on...just speculating 01:46 Brooke I feel like we need an a/s/l for collections. 01:46 Brooke :/ 01:45 eter college 01:45 jcamins Generally speaking, I mean. 01:45 jcamins eter: what kind of school? 01:44 eter its a school...truth is i'm not knowledgeable on their collection, they just called me in to help them 01:43 pianohack eter: Is this a conventional public library with reasonably common books, or a specialized collection? 01:43 Brooke however, you get the effort you put in. 01:43 pianohack Ooh, hadn't thought of that 01:43 pianohack There's usually a few issues with importing, and entering them directly into Koha allows you to download information from other library's catalogs to make the records nicer 01:43 eter any pointer into the right diretion would be extremely welcomed 01:43 Brooke you can rig ISBNs to MARCedit and play fetch, too. 01:42 Brooke *nod* 01:42 pianohack If possible, you might try just cataloging the books in Koha, though 01:42 pianohack Yup, there are ways to get that data into Koha 01:41 eter ok, we currently moving from a manual system where things were done by hand, is it possible that if i get a bunch of guys to start type data such as author title pub etc in a spreadsheet it will be importable into koha? 01:39 pianohack eter: You might try a message to the mailing list; Joe Atzberger (atz) is very knowledgable about LDAP 01:38 pianohack Also known as the most crazy/obedient 01:38 pianohack Brooke: The official reason is they want to find out who "really wants an education" 01:38 jcamins I don't know anything about LDAP, sorry. 01:37 eter ok so i've successfully installed koha (i'm a system amin that never had to do library before) now i want to configure koha with ldap think i see somewhere that it is possible, the potential users of this system already have id numbers which i want koha to use, i also have the users in ldap groups which i want to use as koha permissions 01:35 Brooke I have never understood the whole "weeding out" thing outside of the Forces. 01:33 * Brooke rolls her eyes. 01:32 pianohack Physics is supposedly one of the "weed-out" classes, so I might disappear again for a while :P 01:30 Brooke /me shudders. 01:30 pianohack It's next semester that'll be evil, with physics and calc 2 01:30 pianohack Nothing too crazy this first semester, think I did well 01:29 jcamins pianohack: how did your finals go? 01:18 jcamins Yeah, it does that. 01:12 pianohack Glad to be at school, but it changes your priorities when you're not looking 01:12 pianohack Indeed 01:12 jcamins Welcome to higher education. 01:12 jcamins Heh. 01:11 pianohack Yes! I had plans to do that, and then college hit me upside the head 01:11 jcamins pianohack: what's the status on your text-based cataloging form? (not to be pushy, just wondering... last I heard there was a rumor you were going to try to polish it to submit to Master) 01:09 * Brooke threatened her invigilator with a Glen of the Downs hike. 01:09 Brooke it's all downhill from finals in Trinity 01:08 pianohack Hehe, once you do a engineering school finals week ;) 01:08 jcamins Can I have some? 01:08 jcamins pianohack: lucky you! 01:08 * Brooke cheers at pianohack 01:08 pianohack Finally have some free coding time :) 01:07 ULS buscando one moment ples 01:07 pianohack Hallo Brooke 01:07 * Brooke waves at pianohack 01:07 Brooke Bueno? 01:05 Brooke just to be extra obvious ;) 01:05 Brooke it's the I18N/L10N tab 01:04 Brooke then ES :) 01:04 Brooke System Preferences 01:04 Brooke Administration 01:04 Brooke scuse me 01:04 Brooke System Preferences 01:04 Brooke Main Intranet Login 01:04 Brooke k 01:03 ULS Any tutorial to change the language to Spanish koha? 01:01 Brooke hang on a tic, haven't had to change the language in forever. 01:01 ULS tengo algunas consultas. Como le cambio el idioma a mi sistema koha. Al español? 01:01 ULS muchisimas garcias a todos por crear esta comunidad de ayuda. 01:00 Brooke bienvenido! 01:00 ULS saludos a todos 00:58 jcamins Brooke: right. 00:58 Brooke when regular MarcEdit is just not geeky enough? 00:57 Brooke :) 00:57 eter hi Brooke 00:57 eter hey 00:55 jcamins Hey, there's a command-line Marcedit tool! 00:51 * jcamins waves at Brooke and eter 00:51 * Brooke waves at eter