Time  Nick        Message
00:51 * Brooke    waves at eter
00:51 * jcamins   waves at Brooke and eter
00:55 jcamins     Hey, there's a command-line Marcedit tool!
00:57 eter        hey
00:57 eter        hi Brooke
00:57 Brooke      :)
00:58 Brooke      when regular MarcEdit is just not geeky enough?
00:58 jcamins     Brooke: right.
01:00 ULS         saludos a todos
01:00 Brooke      bienvenido!
01:01 ULS         muchisimas garcias a todos por crear esta comunidad de ayuda.
01:01 ULS         tengo algunas consultas. Como le cambio el idioma a mi sistema koha. Al español?
01:01 Brooke      hang on a tic, haven't had to change the language in forever.
01:03 ULS         Any tutorial to change the language to Spanish koha?
01:04 Brooke      k
01:04 Brooke      Main Intranet Login
01:04 Brooke      System Preferences
01:04 Brooke      scuse me
01:04 Brooke      Administration
01:04 Brooke      System Preferences
01:04 Brooke      then ES :)
01:05 Brooke      it's the I18N/L10N tab
01:05 Brooke      just to be extra obvious ;)
01:07 Brooke      Bueno?
01:07 * Brooke    waves at pianohack
01:07 pianohack   Hallo Brooke
01:07 ULS         buscando one moment ples
01:08 pianohack   Finally have some free coding time :)
01:08 * Brooke    cheers at pianohack
01:08 jcamins     pianohack: lucky you!
01:08 jcamins     Can I have some?
01:08 pianohack   Hehe, once you do a engineering school finals week ;)
01:09 Brooke      it's all downhill from finals in Trinity
01:09 * Brooke    threatened her invigilator with a Glen of the Downs hike.
01:11 jcamins     pianohack: what's the status on your text-based cataloging form? (not to be pushy, just wondering... last I heard there was a rumor you were going to try to polish it to submit to Master)
01:11 pianohack   Yes! I had plans to do that, and then college hit me upside the head
01:12 jcamins     Heh.
01:12 jcamins     Welcome to higher education.
01:12 pianohack   Indeed
01:12 pianohack   Glad to be at school, but it changes your priorities when you're not looking
01:18 jcamins     Yeah, it does that.
01:29 jcamins     pianohack: how did your finals go?
01:30 pianohack   Nothing too crazy this first semester, think I did well
01:30 pianohack   It's next semester that'll be evil, with physics and calc 2
01:30 Brooke      /me shudders.
01:32 pianohack   Physics is supposedly one of the "weed-out" classes, so I might disappear again for a while :P
01:33 * Brooke    rolls her eyes.
01:35 Brooke      I have never understood the whole "weeding out" thing outside of the Forces.
01:37 eter        ok so i've successfully installed koha (i'm a system amin that never had to do library before) now i want to configure koha with ldap think i see somewhere that it is possible, the potential users of this system already have id numbers which i want koha to use, i also have the users in ldap groups which i want to use as koha permissions
01:38 jcamins     I don't know anything about LDAP, sorry.
01:38 pianohack   Brooke: The official reason is they want to find out who "really wants an education"
01:38 pianohack   Also known as the most crazy/obedient
01:39 pianohack   eter: You might try a message to the mailing list; Joe Atzberger (atz) is very knowledgable about LDAP
01:41 eter        ok,   we currently moving from a manual system where things were done by hand, is it possible that if i get a bunch of guys to start type data such as author title pub etc in a spreadsheet it will be importable into koha?
01:42 pianohack   Yup, there are ways to get that data into Koha
01:42 pianohack   If possible, you might try just cataloging the books in Koha, though
01:42 Brooke      *nod*
01:43 Brooke      you can rig ISBNs to MARCedit and play fetch, too.
01:43 eter        any pointer into the right diretion would be extremely welcomed
01:43 pianohack   There's usually a few issues with importing, and entering them directly into Koha allows you to download information from other library's catalogs to make the records nicer
01:43 pianohack   Ooh, hadn't thought of that
01:43 Brooke      however, you get the effort you put in.
01:43 pianohack   eter: Is this a conventional public library with reasonably common books, or a specialized collection?
01:44 eter        its a school...truth is i'm not knowledgeable on their collection, they just called me in to help them
01:45 jcamins     eter: what kind of school?
01:45 jcamins     Generally speaking, I mean.
01:45 eter        college
01:46 Brooke      :/
01:46 Brooke      I feel like we need an a/s/l for collections.
01:47 eter        i figur they might have things like research papers and so on...just speculating
01:47 Brooke      the key is to find a similar collection and mine it for data.
01:47 eter        a/sl ...age sex location?
01:47 Brooke      but even there, there will always be tricky records
01:47 eter        ok
01:47 jcamins     eter: if they catalog research papers, they are totally SOL wrt copy cataloging.
01:47 Brooke      expect about 85/15 no matter what.
01:47 * Brooke    agrees with jcamins.
01:47 * jcamins   works at a library which catalogs papers separately
01:48 eter        whats SOL wrt? );
01:48 eter        out of luck?
01:48 eter        lol
01:48 Brooke      ayep
01:48 jcamins     Errr... stuck out of luck with regards to
01:49 eter        hhmm lol
01:50 eter        i was thinking that maybe i should give them the staff interface and let them start using it for populating the data...but being a newwbie to koha myself i'm still here trying to find videos to teach them how to add the data
01:51 eter        whilst trying to find a way to adapt the interface to a theme of their liking
01:51 jcamins     eter: there are a bunch of videos by nengard.
01:51 jcamins     And perhaps Brooke knows where. :)
01:52 Brooke      >.>
01:52 Brooke      <.<
01:52 Brooke      I keep telling people 1) the tapes never existed.
01:52 Brooke      and 2) I didn't steal them
01:53 Brooke      http://wiki.koha-community.org/wiki/Koha_Tutorials
01:54 eter        lol Brooke maybe the garbage man did
01:55 Brooke      Yes...that's the ticket...
01:56 jcamins     Argh!
01:57 jcamins     For future reference, document.ready and document.load are not interchangeable.
01:57 jcamins     (not that I thought they were, I just didn't realize I was editing document.load)
02:01 pianohack   Even worse, it's window.load
02:01 pianohack   Always annoyed me
02:01 pianohack   Yay, installed Koha on Maverick w/o CPAN
02:02 pianohack   chris_n++ # koha_perl_deps.pl is wonderful
02:03 eter        i found two of nengards videos is there more?
02:03 Brooke      prolly a tonne
02:04 jcamins     koha_perl_deps.pl?
02:04 jcamins     I don't think that's the one I use...
02:05 jcamins     No, I use apt-get-debian-lenny.pl
02:05 jcamins     How does koha_perl_deps.pl help you avoid CPAN?
02:15 jcamins     Wow. Apparently the Koha repository has increased in size by 50% since May.
02:17 eter        found some pdfs form nexpress here http://www.nexpresslibrary.org/training-materials-september-2010/ hopefully good enough
02:18 eter        jcamins, does that translate to more productivity?
02:18 jcamins     eter: I have no idea.
02:19 jcamins     I do know it translates to 50% longer download times, though. ;)
02:21 jcamins     pianohack++
02:22 jcamins     pianohack: any chance you could file a bug and attach your patch to the bug?
02:22 pianohack   jcamins: Well, the lovely ubuntu packagers help you avoid having to install from CPAN, koha_perl_deps.pl helps you make sure you've installed everything right without constantly reloading the page in the installer; that was a pain
02:22 pianohack   jcamins: Sure, one sec
02:22 jcamins     pianohack: ah, got it. That makes sense.
02:24 eter        i thought that dublincore package wasnt in maveric
02:26 jcamins     pianohack: thanks!
02:26 pianohack   jcamins: np
02:26 pianohack   wow, you're on top of things
02:26 Brooke      eter: you must be this tall to ride DC
02:26 pianohack   Koha cyborg implant working for you? :)
02:27 pianohack   (also, create the bug, assign it to myself, attach the patch, then mark it RESOLVED FIXED?)
02:27 jcamins     pianohack: create the bug, assign to yourself, and I'll sign off on it, and send it to the list.
02:27 jcamins     And mark the status signed-off.
02:45 Brooke      cheers lads.
02:45 jcamins     pianohack: how do you use dpkg --set-selections?
02:47 jcamins     Ah, got it.
02:48 jcamins     No, just kidding, I'm confused.
02:49 jcamins     I apparently don't have dselect.
02:50 eter        aptitude install dselect
02:51 jcamins     Cool, thanks.
02:51 jcamins     That worked.
02:51 jcamins     :D
02:55 pianohack   jcamins: Don't even need that
02:55 pianohack   Just run apt-get dselect-upgrade
02:55 pianohack   jcamins: Also, I did that bug a bit wrong, but will remember for the next :P
02:57 jcamins     Okay, now, can I configure nullmailer with Google Apps...
02:58 jcamins     Yep, looks like I can.
03:00 wasabi      http://it.slashdot.org/story/10/12/18/1738207/Spamhaus-Under-DDoS-Over-Wikileaksinfo
03:01 wasabi      … a new twist to wikileaks
03:05 pianohack   Hmm. Does Koha still care about your ParserDetails.ini? Thought I saw a patch to fix that
03:05 jcamins     pianohack: yeah, it does.
03:05 pianohack   Dammit
03:05 pianohack   Okay, thanks
03:05 jcamins     There's been some discussion about whether it *really* matters, but no one can figure out what the problem was originally.
03:06 pianohack   Was some encoding issue, no?
03:09 jcamins     Yeah, but the official bug report was "it doesn't work.
03:12 jcamins     INSTALL.debian?
03:13 ibot        rumour has it INSTALL.debian is at git.koha-community.org/gitweb/?p=koha.git;a=blob;f=INSTALL.debian
03:13 jcamins     Thanks, ibot.
03:13 ibot        jcamins: no problem
03:13 wasabi      i bumped into a install problem with an incorrect ParserDetails.ini file recently
03:14 wasabi      so i think Koha does depend on being correct, still...
03:14 jcamins     Yeah, it does.
03:15 jcamins     My understanding is that 3 of the four options *might* work.
03:15 jcamins     (and the fourth definitely doesn't)
03:18 pianohack   ibot: Well, hello there
03:18 ibot        pianohack: i'm not following you...
03:18 pianohack   Casual conversation is a lost art
03:23 jcamins     Okay, that didn't work.
03:24 jcamins     Wait, I know why.
03:26 kevinD      Hi
03:26 kevinD      Anyone around
03:27 jcamins     @later tell hdl Sorry if I spammed koha-patches. I'm having some problems.
03:27 munin       jcamins: The operation succeeded.
03:27 jcamins     Anyway, good night, #koha
03:31 kevinD      I have a question about install if anyone is free
03:38 pianohack   kevinD: I'm around, everyone else might be asleep
03:38 pianohack   What's up?
03:43 kevinD      Hi I am familiar with Drupal
03:43 kevinD      Just wondering about the instal with Koha
03:43 pianohack   Okay
03:43 pianohack   kevinD: What's your question?
03:44 pianohack   From what I remember of installing Drupal, they are kind of different
03:44 kevinD      How complicated is the install with kohl
03:44 kevinD      I have installed Drupa a few times using MAMP
03:45 kevinD      Do you have a similar setup with kohl ?
03:45 kevinD      Kohl
03:45 kevinD      Koha
03:46 kevinD      Sorry iPad changes the words
03:46 kevinD      Pianohack are you still here
03:47 pianohack   Sorry, doing two things at once
03:47 pianohack   Let me look up mamp
03:47 pianohack   Ah, ok
03:47 kevinD      That was local
03:47 pianohack   Umm, installing Koha on Mac OS X is really painful, last I heard, if you're considering that
03:47 pianohack   Various issues with getting everything installed correctly
03:48 kevinD      I do work for a non profit, they have a quilt museum that needs a database for library
03:48 pianohack   Okay
03:48 pianohack   Are you familiar at all with Linux?
03:48 kevinD      So I told them I would look into it before I gave them a answer
03:48 kevinD      No really some UNIX
03:49 kevinD      not fluent
03:49 pianohack   Okay
03:49 pianohack   Koha is easiest to install on either Debian or Ubuntu Linux
03:49 kevinD      I have heard of Drupal installed on ubuntu
03:49 pianohack   If you're not familiar with Linux, there's a few options
03:49 kevinD      I am all ears
03:50 kevinD      Eyes I guess
03:50 pianohack   Download the Koha live CD and try it out; you burn it to a CD-R, then boot your computer from it. No commitment or installation
03:50 kevinD      Ok
03:51 pianohack   Or, use the virtual machine images; you download them, then run them within Mac OS X or whatever using VMWare Player or Virtualbox (both free)
03:51 pianohack   http://kylehall.info/index.php/projects/koha/koha-virtual-appliance/ for that
03:51 pianohack   Or just install Ubuntu on a spare machien
03:51 pianohack   *machine
03:51 pianohack   Very easy these days
03:51 pianohack   You can even install it side-by-side with Mac OS X with a little work
03:52 pianohack   First one is the easiest, but you can't do anything very interesting with it
03:52 pianohack   Second is slightly harder, but works well
03:52 pianohack   Third is the hardest, but allows you the most room to work down the road
03:52 kevinD      That sounds fantastic thanks so much for your help
03:52 pianohack   If you like the way you get that machine with Ubuntu on it set up, you could even just take it to the nonprofit and let them run Koha off of it
03:53 pianohack   kevinD: np
03:53 pianohack   There's usually someone here on IRC if you have questions
03:53 kevinD      Thanks
03:53 pianohack   Mailing lists are also available; take longer, but more people
03:53 ibot        okay, pianohack.
03:53 pianohack   good luck
03:53 pianohack   I think I just confused the bot
03:53 pianohack   Mailing lists?
03:53 ibot        Mailing lists are found at http://koha-community.org/support/koha-mailing-lists/ or available; take longer, but more people
03:54 pianohack   No, mailing lists are found at http://koha-community.org/support/koha-mailing-lists/
03:54 pianohack   no, Mailing lists are found at http://koha-community.org/support/koha-mailing-lists/
03:54 pianohack   Whatever, silly bot
04:01 pianohack   brendan_l left, hmm
04:01 pianohack   brendan: around?
04:14 wasabi      Mailing lists?
04:14 ibot        Mailing lists are found at http://koha-community.org/support/koha-mailing-lists/ or available; take longer, but more people
04:14 wasabi      Mailing lists are found at http://koha-community.org/support/koha-mailing-lists/
04:16 pianohack   Mailing lists?
04:16 ibot        Mailing lists are found at http://koha-community.org/support/koha-mailing-lists/ or available; take longer, but more people
04:16 pianohack   It's being pretty stubborn about it
04:17 pianohack   Okay, there. You have to address the correction syntax directly to ibot
04:35 wasabi      Mailing lists?
04:35 ibot        Mailing lists are found at http://koha-community.org/support/koha-mailing-lists/
04:35 wasabi      ;)
04:35 wasabi      ibot: ibot is silly
04:35 ibot        ...but ibot is a clever being...
04:46 pianohack   wasabi: Hey, do you know if I should RESOLVED/WORKSFORME a rel_3_2 bug that I only know is fixed in HEAD?
04:55 wasabi      put that in the bug's comments
04:56 wasabi      … but its still a bug for 3_2, until its backported from HEAD back to 3_2 (i think?)
06:28 pianohack   wasabi, since you're the only person awake at 11:30 MST on a saturday; what do you think of a commandline syspref setting/getting/dumping tool?
06:28 pianohack   Would be a fun airplane hack tomorrow
06:30 kmkale      hi all
06:30 pianohack   Hallo
06:30 pianohack   How might we help you this fine evening?
06:32 kmkale      hi pianohack
06:39 pianohack   Hi kmkale
06:39 chris       pianohack: i think it would be great, then we could set up profiles
06:40 chris       and have the installer use them
06:40 pianohack   Okay
06:40 chris       'small public library'
06:40 pianohack   YAML dumps marked with a minimum version tag sound good?
06:41 chris       sounds good to me
06:41 chris       also handy for support companies
06:41 chris       to recreate a setup to test
06:41 pianohack   Very much
06:42 kmkale      hi chris
06:42 pianohack   Of course, profiles for the admin/ settings in general would be handy
06:42 pianohack   but one step at a time
06:42 chris       yep
06:51 kmkale      @weather Mumbai
06:51 munin       kmkale: The current temperature in Mumbai, India is 28.0�C (11:40 AM IST on December 19, 2010). Conditions: Smoke. Humidity: 28%. Dew Point: 8.0�C. Pressure: 29.98 in 1015 hPa (Steady).
06:55 pianohack   Weathertime! @weather Trinidad, CO
06:55 pianohack   @weather Trinidad, CO
06:55 munin       pianohack: The current temperature in Near Trinidad State Junior College, Trinidad, Colorado is -1.7�C (11:58 PM MST on December 18, 2010). Conditions: Clear. Humidity: 78%. Dew Point: -5.0�C. Windchill: -5.0�C. Pressure: 29.83 in 1010.0 hPa (Steady).  High wind watch in effect from Sunday afternoon through Monday afternoon...
07:00 pianohack   If the humidity is 78% in this desert wasteland, my name is Shirley
07:00 pianohack   (don't call me surely)
07:00 pianohack   though actually
07:00 pianohack   kmkale: "Conditions: Smoke"? What's going on in your part of the world?
07:01 kmkale      pianohack: its always smokey in Mumbai
07:01 kmkale      too many people and vehicles :(
07:01 pianohack   Ah, yeah, the Beijing effect
07:02 pianohack   Sorry, that doesn't sound very pleasant
07:02 kmkale      its  not as bad as it sounds
07:02 kmkale      its a nice sunny clear day outside
07:02 pianohack   Yeah, that would make it better
07:03 pianohack   Cloudy days probably aren't fun, though
07:05 kmkale      this is the best season of the year around here
07:06 kmkale      in monsoon it rains way too much and in summer its very hot and humid
08:19 munin       New commit(s) kohagit: Bug 4286 Allow receiving if subscription enddate not set <http://git.koha-community.org/gitweb/?p=koha.git;a=commitdiff;h=74e63fe0e602f745e711cf00417b965614f7be68> / Fix for Bug 5518 - Add to shelf icon doesn't appear in OPAC results page <http://git.koha-community.org/gitweb/?p=koha.git;a=commitdiff;h=276e1c34307b9bcb2986e4bd1b1318b4bfe12d75> / Merge remote branch 'kc/new/bug_4908' into kcmaster <http://git.koha-community.o
08:29 munin       New commit(s) kohagit: Merge remote branch 'kc/new/bug_5446' into kcmaster <http://git.koha-community.org/gitweb/?p=koha.git;a=commitdiff;h=8902ee5684719b7b7ff936272dcbb96dd558b411> / Bug 5446 Fix a bug introduces by previous patch <http://git.koha-community.org/gitweb/?p=koha.git;a=commitdiff;h=9a048e2b12e2004fad51b5b0db3187a8eb6c2a04>
08:29 hudsonbot   Starting build 230 for job Koha_Master (previous build: STILL UNSTABLE -- last SUCCESS #188 12 days ago)
08:53 hudsonbot   Project Koha_Master build #230: STILL UNSTABLE in 24 min: http://hudson.koha-community.org/job/Koha_Master/230/
08:53 hudsonbot   * Owen Leonard: Follow-up fix for Bug 5285, adding missing CSS
08:53 hudsonbot   * Owen Leonard: Follow-up patch for Bug 4908, show patron's home library in OPAC
08:53 hudsonbot   * Owen Leonard: Fix for Bug 5518 - Add to shelf icon doesn't appear in OPAC results page
08:53 hudsonbot   * Colin Campbell: Bug 4286 Allow receiving if subscription enddate not set
08:53 hudsonbot   * Frédéric Demians: Bug 5446 Fix a bug introduces by previous patch
09:09 cait        hi #koha
09:12 chris       hi cait
09:12 cait        hi chris
09:12 cait        you were pushing patches when I went to bed... and now you are still pushing patches ;)
09:12 chris       heh
09:22 * cait      goes to check on her fudge
09:23 cait        yummy - and it got harder, so there is a chance to cut it into pieces now :)
09:24 cait        jransom++ for great fudge recipes
09:24 cait        chris: what is the status of the template toolkit work?
09:27 chris       would it be wrong to reply to david lang saying send a patch
09:28 chris       cait: i think everything except the umlauts is fixed
09:28 cait        chris: those crazy umluats
09:29 cait        chris: so want me to test? or test something else?
09:29 cait        looking for sunday projects :)
09:29 chris       testing would be good
09:29 chris       replying to david lang saying he could report his suggestions in bugzilla, and/or send patches
09:30 chris       would be good too
09:30 chris       or probably better, just ignore it
09:30 chris       im pretty sure he only ever posts to annoy people
09:30 cait        I opt for the second
09:31 cait        I would add: don't install the sample data, if you don't want it ;)
09:31 chris       yeah
09:31 chris       and i have done installs on databases not named koha plenty of times
09:31 chris       the installer never creates the db
09:31 cait        ah right
09:31 chris       you have to do it yourself
09:32 chris       whatever name you call it
09:32 cait        and give this to the installer
09:32 chris       (unless you use the packages)
09:32 chris       yeah
09:32 chris       like the INSTALL files tell you
09:32 cait        I think my coworker was thinking about using the ISIL as name
09:32 cait        not sure he did for the new installations
09:35 cait        ran into the language detection problem again
09:35 cait        hmpf
09:36 cait        I already updated the bug, will note in on the wiki page too
09:36 chris       cool
09:37 cait        it's an annoying bug
09:38 chris       yup
09:44 cait        fredericd++
09:44 cait        [2] For sysprefs, quoted text wasn't properly retrieved from .po file and so
09:44 cait        quoted strings wasn't translatable.
09:44 cait        that was another very annoying bug
09:45 cait        and the reason why I refused to translate my pref file yesterday - because I had already translated those things like a dozen times :)
09:45 chris       :)
10:47 ivanc       hi #koha
11:05 cait        hi ivanc :)
11:05 ivanc       hi cait :)
11:07 magnus      kia ora, #koha
11:08 magnus      @wunder bodo, norway
11:08 munin       magnus: The current temperature in Bodo, Norway is -6.0�C (11:50 AM CET on December 19, 2010). Conditions: Clear. Humidity: 46%. Dew Point: -16.0�C. Windchill: -17.0�C. Pressure: 30.09 in 1019 hPa (Steady).
11:25 cait        hi magnus
11:25 cait        @wunder Konstanz
11:25 munin       cait: The current temperature in Taegerwilen, Taegerwilen, Germany is 1.2�C (12:25 PM CET on December 19, 2010). Conditions: Mostly Cloudy. Humidity: 78%. Dew Point: -2.0�C. Windchill: 1.0�C. Pressure: 29.59 in 1001.9 hPa (Falling).
11:29 magnus      hi cait
13:21 nengard     Anyone awake? Waiting for a plane .. trying to stay awake
13:37 * jcamins_a is now
13:38 cait        me is
13:38 cait        not really... but it's not the right time to sleep here
13:38 cait        where are you flying to?
13:46 jcamins     So, how are things, cait?
13:46 cait        lazy sunday
13:46 jcamins     Uh-oh... my VM had a status of "Aborted." I hope I didn't break something.
13:47 cait        have you seen my follow up to 5226=
13:47 cait        ?
13:48 jcamins     I had not.
13:48 jcamins     It makes sense to me.
13:49 cait        I forgot about it - stumbled on my bookmark earlier today
13:49 cait        I tried jo's fudge recipe
13:49 jcamins     How was it?
13:50 cait        but I used too much condensed milk I think - it tastes very yummy, but is too soft and sticky to be cut into pieces
13:50 cait        I added cranberries and walnuts instead of cashews
13:50 jcamins     Actually, you probably just undercooked it.
13:50 cait        and I think I got the soft ball stage right this time... perhaps
13:50 cait        *sigh* I feared you would say something like that :)
13:50 jcamins     Because that sounds like it didn't set.
13:51 cait        hm
13:51 cait        it's a soft brown
13:51 cait        light brown
13:51 cait        and the upper side is dry and ok, but on the bottom it's still a bit too sticky
13:51 cait        sticks to my baking paper
13:51 cait        I was able to form the ball in the cold water
13:52 cait        perhaps I have to get a sugar thermometer
13:52 kmkale      hi cait
13:52 cait        hi kmkale
13:52 kmkale      hi jcamins
13:52 kmkale      aahh food talk :)
13:52 cait        we are discussing food - you are right in time :)
13:53 kmkale      aahh food talk :)
13:53 cait        hehe
13:53 kmkale      echo?
13:53 cait        jcamins: do you have a tip get it into smaller pieces?
13:53 kmkale      no worries I am home and munching away on fried stuff myself ;)
13:53 cait        I was thinking about turning it around and try to let the other side dry a little
13:54 jcamins     Hm. Yeah, I'd try that.
13:55 jcamins     Also, did you try sticking it in the refrigerator?
13:59 cait        no
13:59 cait        but I can try that too :)
14:00 jcamins     @later tell chris I signed off on the patch for bug 5520, but couldn't send it to koha-patches, so I attached it to the bug.
14:00 munin       jcamins: The operation succeeded.
14:25 jcamins     Wow!
14:25 jcamins     Seamless mode is really cool!
14:27 kmkale      whats seamless mode jcamins?
14:28 jcamins     Instead of running in a window, the VM fills my entire screen, and there are no scrollbars.
14:28 kmkale      virtualbox?
14:29 jcamins     Right.
14:29 cait        I love working without vm now on my older laptop with linu
14:29 cait        x
14:29 cait        so much more fun
14:30 cait        it's great to do koha dev things :)
14:30 cait        but I always had only the server edition of ubuntu installed - no desktop
14:31 cait        switching computers - will be back in 5
14:31 kmkale      jcan does virtualbox support kvm?
14:31 kmkale      sorry jcamins ^^
14:33 jcamins     kmkale: you don't need a separate kvm switch.
14:33 jcamins     It runs on the same computer.
14:34 kmkale      jcamins: i meant the kernel virtualization
14:34 jcamins     Oh.
14:34 jcamins     Hm.
14:34 jcamins     I don't think so.
14:34 jcamins     VirtualBox virtualizes the entire system.
14:35 cait1       hi again
14:35 cait1       my windows thinks it's 5 june 2005?
14:36 kmkale      i use qemu-kvm
14:44 jcamins     kmkale: I switched to a Mac. ;)
14:44 kmkale      cool
14:45 jcamins     (so qemu-kvm isn't going to work for me)
14:45 kmkale      I bought a dell N4010 4gb ram, core i3 370, 500gb hdd under usd700
14:45 jcamins     Yeah, computers are ridiculously cheap.
14:45 kmkale      setting it up right now
14:46 kmkale      ubuntu 10.10 works like a charm on it
14:50 jcamins     Hm. Cloning a 5GB hard drive image takes a while, apparently.
14:51 jcamins     Thankfully not as long as people are reporting it will.
14:51 jcamins     Oh, apparently I could have just used cp to clone it.
14:52 jcamins     Hm. Maybe just five minutes.
14:57 kmkale      ooo 3g rollout has finally started in India. Cant wait to get connected
15:03 * cait      hands out small fudge quarters to everybody around
15:04 jcamins     Mmm, thank you.
15:04 kmkale      thanks cait
15:04 jcamins     Not even vaguely Koha-related, but very cute: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=jm3dm5J5r0A
15:06 * kmkale    is a dog person
15:09 cait        lol
15:19 jcamins     [off] *18*? There were *18* letters to send in this mass mailing? What's the point of a mass mailing to 18 people?
15:21 cait        [off] what are you talking about?
15:24 jcamins     Non-profits.
15:25 jcamins     May the Koha deities defend us from non-profit administration.
15:49 cait        hm, waht are the attributes of the koha deities?
15:49 cait        a barcode scanner, a learning perl book and...
15:49 jcamins     Hm.
15:50 jcamins     An RMS miniature?
15:53 cait        hehe
18:51 cait        re
19:06 cait        @wunder Konstanz
19:06 munin       cait: The current temperature in Konstanz, Germany is 0.0�C (8:00 PM CET on December 19, 2010). Conditions: Mostly Cloudy. Humidity: 80%. Dew Point: -3.0�C. Pressure: 29.52 in 1000 hPa (Falling).
19:29 richard     hi
19:33 chris       morning
19:33 jwagner     good [select your time of day]
19:34 richard     hi chris and jwagner
19:34 cait        hi chris jawagner and richard
19:36 druthb      hi, chris, jwagner, and richard, and cait. :D
19:36 cait        hi druthb :)
19:36 chris       jcamins_a: thanks for the signoff, will push that now, as its a no harm change
19:37 jcamins     chris: thanks.
19:37 * druthb    notes that the Ashes is at 1-each.
19:38 chris       yeah england collapsed bad
19:42 chris       hi Brooke and hdl
19:43 Brooke      Tēnā koutou
19:43 hdl         hi all
19:43 druthb      hi, Brooke. :)
19:43 * Brooke    winks at druthb
19:43 * druthb    winks back.
19:44 cait        hi Brooke
19:44 Brooke      howdy
19:44 ibot        hi, Brooke
19:45 * Brooke    feels the love.
19:45 druthb      ibot:  Brooke?
19:45 ibot        Brooke is certainly gonna go
19:45 Brooke      ibot: be ruth
19:45 ibot        Brooke: i'm not following you...
19:45 Brooke      ibot: be druthb
19:45 ibot        Harrumph!
19:45 druthb      hehehehehe
19:46 druthb      ibot: be cait
19:46 ibot        druthb: what?
19:47 chris       hdl: i think a meeting on persistance would be good
19:47 hdl         hi.
19:47 chris       i have been running circ under plack for 3 weeks now, and it hasnt exploded yet
19:48 hdl         nice.
19:48 chris       but there are places where we need to change code, (any place we use memoize without a timeout etc)
19:49 hdl         Is it in production for one of your sites ? or is it just testing.
19:49 hdl         ?
19:49 chris       its on a very low usage prodcution site
19:49 hdl         yes... and we would need to place flush_cache wherever parameters are edited.
19:49 chris       hoping to move it to higher usage one when we fix the data persistance problems
19:49 chris       yep
19:49 chris       exactly
19:50 hdl         have you tried the remove_items branch ? I think that then Plack would not be needed for that one ? How were is your circ performing  using Plack ?
19:51 chris       its not much faster
19:51 chris       because yes, its the parsing xml that is slow
19:51 hdl         (mmm no, it would be needed for circulation parameters.)
19:51 chris       but it is much more scalable
19:51 chris       ie, it doesnt slow down
19:52 chris       whereas if you put apache under load, you can break it
19:52 chris       plack + caching = faster
19:52 chris       (in code caching)
19:52 chris       but we dont do a lot of that, because without persistance there is no point
19:53 munin       New commit(s) kohagit: Bug 5506 Improve translation script <http://git.koha-community.org/gitweb/?p=koha.git;a=commitdiff;h=814795da60318c70059fc1dfbe7be4da37109db0>
19:53 chris       but once we are running in a persistant way, we can do smarter things
19:53 hdl         I think so...
19:53 chris       (and not just cache the db query, cache the processed result)
19:57 munin       New commit(s) kohagit32: Bug 5506 Improve translation script <http://git.koha-community.org/gitweb/?p=koha.git;a=commitdiff;h=9c1fa4581c21bfd30400c0323ebe8081e4d3ee19>
19:58 hdl         when should we schedule the meeting ?
19:58 chris       i think will have to wait til after xmas?
19:59 chris       maybe in between christmas and new year?
19:59 hudsonbot   Starting build 231 for job Koha_Master (previous build: STILL UNSTABLE -- last SUCCESS #188 12 days ago)
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20:03 hdl         chris.... I would not be there.
20:03 hdl         (I am supposed to be on holiday.
20:03 hdl         )
20:04 hdl         (But maybe we could arrange some meeting though.... It really IS important)
20:04 chris       ahh, after new years then?
20:04 cait        I think most people will be away
20:05 cait        but a lot of people might be interested - better give them a chance to participate
20:05 Brooke      this is why I had a pickle of a time coming up with the wiki, blank as it was.
20:06 chris       chris_n: you recommend a revert for 5373 ?
20:07 hdl         cait: a lot of people may be interested but they also will be able to read the logs....
20:07 cait        hdl: I think after new year should be ok - a discussion can only take place if there are people to discuss things
20:07 jcamins     hdl: but reading the logs is not the same as participating.
20:08 Brooke      aye, it would also give you time to relax, cher.
20:08 hdl         anyway, such a meeting would have to be prepared, with some testing instance of code... And some work being prepared...
20:08 hdl         So after new year would be great.
20:10 hdl         but the longer we take to organize, the shorter time will be to get things done.
20:10 Brooke      aye.
20:10 * Brooke    thinks January will be quite a busy meeting month.
20:11 hdl         tic tac tic tac
20:11 Brooke      The doormouse is asleep again.
20:17 chris       cait: you around for a litte bit longer?
20:17 cait        yes
20:17 chris       could you please do some screenshots of the umlaut problem you had with TT ?
20:17 cait        you can easily reproduce it I think  by setting up a database with german sample date - but of course will do
20:18 cait        I am on the other laptop right now, will do after the film is over - that ok?
20:18 cait        I found some ohter things - there is a problem with patron search
20:19 cait        looks like the translation problems changed a , into comma
20:24 jcamins     ibot: jo's food blog?
20:24 ibot        jcamins: i don't know
20:25 * Brooke    gasps at ibot's recalcitrance.
20:25 jcamins     Brooke: cait: any idea?
20:25 Brooke      http://lesttheybelost.blogspot.com/
20:25 cait        huh?
20:25 jcamins     Thanks!
20:26 jcamins     Jo's food blog is at http://lesttheybelost.blogspot.com/
20:26 jcamins     cait: never mind.
20:26 * Brooke    is just this side of safe from being replaced by a chat bot a bit longer/
20:26 cait        sorry, tatort
20:27 cait        http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Tatort
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20:28 hudsonbot   Frédéric Demians: Bug 5506 Improve translation script
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20:28 hudsonbot   Frédéric Demians: Bug 5506 Improve translation script
20:40 cait        ok, film over
20:40 cait        chris?
20:40 ibot        rumour has it chris is awesome
20:40 cait        ibot botsnack fudge
20:40 ibot        :)
20:41 chris       ah ok, yep after the film is fine
20:42 cait        after the film is now ;)
20:42 cait        any special wished? and have you checked the updates on the wiki pages?
20:43 chris       chris just asked for screenshots of the umlaut problem .. oh if you could send us some marc records with umlauts that would be handy too
20:43 chris       ill ask him to hop on here
20:43 chris       there he is ;)
20:43 chris       chrisdoth meet cait, who has been testing your work ;)
20:43 * cait      waves to chrisdoth
20:44 * Brooke    wave to chris.
20:44 chrisdoth   hello cait and chris :)
20:44 * chrisdoth waves back to everyone :)
20:44 cait        chris told me to make screenshots of the umlaut problem, but I think it should be easily reproducable too
20:45 chris       if you could send us some marc records with the umlauts in them, then we can load them in to test
20:45 cait        what I did right now was create a new library with code TEST and name äüäßÄÖÜ
20:45 chris       ahh easy
20:45 cait        chris: it's not the umlauts
20:45 cait        ah not the records
20:45 cait        did not really test that yet
20:45 cait        the problems I reported is all data from the database
20:45 chris       ahh i thought it was the records
20:45 chris       (cos they are in the db too)
20:46 cait        there is one problem spotted in the records too - but did not really test that yet
20:46 cait        right :)
20:46 cait        let me create a record next
20:46 cait        the library name is broken after saving
20:46 Brooke      http://catalog.loc.gov/cgi-bin/Pwebrecon.cgi?v1=1&ti=1,1&Search%5FArg=Goethe&Search%5FCode=GKEY%5E%2A&CNT=100&type=quick&PID=o1Y5v77vfQjwNcDefpZumxx3h6Z&SEQ=20101219154838&SID=1
20:46 Brooke      which is amusingly busted
20:46 * Brooke    titters.
20:46 cait        in display on the front page and when you open it for edit
20:47 cait        Brooke: the umlauts there are broken too - but that's because of the normalization
20:47 cait        the dots should be over the letters, not beside
20:47 Brooke      but they aren't on the search screen
20:47 chris       Brooke: has that got anything to do with the template toolkit stuff?
20:47 Brooke      so I suspect it is a matter of display
20:48 * chris     suspects not
20:48 cait        Brooke: it's the normalization - trust me :)
20:48 Brooke      I will trust you then.
20:48 cait        they make u + dots in utf-8 - that is vlaid, but the browsers have problems
20:48 chris       right .. back to the template toolkit work
20:48 chris       so saving a branch name, ends up with the branch name messed up
20:48 Brooke      just looked fine from
20:48 Brooke      http://catalog.loc.gov/cgi-bin/Pwebrecon.cgi?DB=local&Search_Arg=Goethe&Search_Code=GKEY%5E*&CNT=100&hist=1&type=quick
20:48 cait        that's why we do some things to our data before loading into koha - making it a one character ü
20:49 cait        chris: right
20:49 chris       and you are about to test a record?
20:49 cait        and that happens in a lot of places I tested
20:49 cait        yep, can do that now
20:49 cait        but the display is broken in a lot of places
20:49 cait        you can test that with itemtype too and other things, it's always the same
20:50 cait        my new record button does not work
20:50 chris       right, so we just need to check if its records too
20:50 hdl         good day nz and good night europa
20:50 chris       cait: can you load one in?
20:50 chris       or just edit an existing one?
20:50 cait        yeah, but have to find one with real umlauts first
20:51 cait        not so easy
20:51 cait        or manipulate a loaded one... but add the button to the list
20:51 chris       yup
20:51 chris       cool, that should give us some stuff too look at :)
20:51 chris       i suspect fixing the branchname .. will fix it everywhere
20:52 cait        yep, that's what I think too
20:52 cait        http://www.fernstudiert.de/fernstudium/doku.php?id=koha:template_toolkit&s[]=toolkit - I updated and added some new things
20:53 chris       cool chrisdoth can now reproduce it, thanks heaps cait
20:53 cait        no problem
20:53 chris       and its perfectly fine in master .. so its stored ok in the db
20:53 chris       just displayed wrong
20:53 cait        yep
20:56 cait        hm I see some problems in cataloging
20:56 cait        the forms are broken a little too
20:56 chris       yup, that's expected
20:57 chris       can you note it down though please
20:57 cait        funny, the record looks quite good
20:57 munin       New commit(s) kohagit: Add .packages file for Ubuntu 10.10 <http://git.koha-community.org/gitweb/?p=koha.git;a=commitdiff;h=88d3d09897aa8624b20ad5762b0c06699caa766e>
20:57 chris       :)
20:58 * Brooke    mutters at the renaming of things.
20:59 cait        chris: ok, from all tabs in details only normal is borken
20:59 cait        broken
20:59 chris       oh interesting
20:59 cait        with xslt display on
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20:59 cait        always speaking about staff at the moment
21:00 chris       yup
21:00 cait        it's ok without xslt
21:00 chris       k
21:00 chris       and is it umlaut problem again or a different one?
21:01 cait        talking about umlauts now
21:01 chris       k
21:01 cait        reported some other problems on the wiki
21:01 chris       ta
21:01 cait        no worries :)
21:02 cait        not complaining - i think it works great. we only need to fix some gliches
21:02 chris       no worries, we know you arent complaining, testing only works if people report the bugs :)
21:03 cait        good :)
21:03 cait        and tell it the other chris too - his work is great :)
21:04 cait        chrisdoth++
21:04 chrisdoth   cait: thank you very much :)
21:04 cait        ah, still listening :)
21:04 * Brooke    points out that Koha has a cadre of Chrises.
21:05 chrisdoth   cait: im still here, just trying to track down one of the bugs you mentioned :p
21:05 chris       man i love git
21:05 cait        git++
21:06 chris       http://git.koha-community.org/gitweb/?p=koha.git;a=commit;h=c9465ed9dfb0ec557a674104f11bb969213c315b
21:06 chris       too easy
21:06 chris       git + branches = pull things out if they fail testing easily
21:06 cait        :)
21:06 cait        ok, will change the chat to the computer where koha is
21:07 cait        will be back shortly
21:07 chris       cool
21:07 munin       New commit(s) kohagit: Revert "Merge remote branch 'kc/new/bug_5373' into kcmaster" <http://git.koha-community.org/gitweb/?p=koha.git;a=commitdiff;h=c9465ed9dfb0ec557a674104f11bb969213c315b>
21:07 cait        back
21:09 * Brooke    waves to rachel
21:22 * cait      puts a plate with more fudge in the middle of koha
21:22 cait        #koha
21:23 jcamins     Mmmm!
21:23 jcamins     I wanted to make fudge, but I don't think I can, since I don't have much sugar.
21:23 Brooke      nomnomnomnomnom
21:23 hudsonbot   Project Koha_Master build #232: STILL UNSTABLE in 24 min: http://hudson.koha-community.org/job/Koha_Master/232/
21:23 hudsonbot   Jesse Weaver: Add .packages file for Ubuntu 10.10
21:23 Brooke      hooray :D
21:24 cait        yeah, you really need a lot of sugar
21:24 cait        chris: have to run a marathon now...
21:24 Brooke      not as much as I need an Ubuntu package.
21:24 jcamins     So I think I might make these http://www.cooks.com/rec/view/0,2310,154177-234202,00.html
21:24 Brooke      meh.
21:24 hudsonbot   Starting build 233 for job Koha_Master (previous build: STILL UNSTABLE -- last SUCCESS #188 13 days ago)
21:24 Brooke      not nearly as sexy as fudge.
21:25 jcamins     No, but requires far less sugar.
21:25 Brooke      peanut butter + oatmeal = sacriledge.
21:25 jcamins     Too healthy?
21:26 Brooke      no, it's sitting on the fence.
21:26 Brooke      I mean, you either want slutty (chocolate + peanut butter)
21:26 Brooke      or healthy (oatmeal + raisin)
21:26 Brooke      that thar is the conservadem of cookies.
21:27 jcamins     Yeah, that's true. But I don't have chocolate, either. Just cocoa powder.
21:27 jcamins     And I already made brownies.
21:27 Brooke      clearly you need a care package.
21:27 munin       New commit(s) kohagit: Fix for Bug 3262 - OPAC needs syspref to show homebranch on detail page <http://git.koha-community.org/gitweb/?p=koha.git;a=commitdiff;h=75762a63e940040d3d9bcc26566b0079000078a8>
21:47 magnus_a    good night #koha
21:47 cait        night magnus
21:47 cait        sleep well
21:47 cait        ah, too slow...
21:47 munin       New commit(s) kohagit: Merge remote branch 'kc/new/enh/bug_5283' into kcmaster <http://git.koha-community.org/gitweb/?p=koha.git;a=commitdiff;h=3c19f22f8625105715f9ba5f4fca2b0502bcd9cc> / Bug 5283 Follow up, fixing broken template syntax <http://git.koha-community.org/gitweb/?p=koha.git;a=commitdiff;h=206e0709d7041368666fa109c66663e1af52d174>
21:48 Brooke      you and me both, Cait.
21:48 cait        yeah, too slow in 2 windows
21:48 hudsonbot   Project Koha_Master build #233: STILL UNSTABLE in 24 min: http://hudson.koha-community.org/job/Koha_Master/233/
21:48 hudsonbot   Chris Cormack: Revert "Merge remote branch 'kc/new/bug_5373' into kcmaster"
21:49 cait        this fudge is trying to lure me to the fridge..
21:49 * cait      tries to ignore it
21:49 hudsonbot   Starting build 234 for job Koha_Master (previous build: STILL UNSTABLE -- last SUCCESS #188 13 days ago)
21:50 * druthb    is being lured to cait's fridge by the fudge.
21:51 cait        hehe
21:55 * jwagner   goes off to salvage the rest of my weekend
21:55 jwagner     Bye all.
21:55 druthb      see ya, Jane.
21:55 Brooke      see ya
22:11 hudsonbot   Project Koha_Master build #234: STILL UNSTABLE in 22 min: http://hudson.koha-community.org/job/Koha_Master/234/
22:11 hudsonbot   * Owen Leonard: Fix for Bug 3262 - OPAC needs syspref to show homebranch on detail page
22:11 hudsonbot   * Chris Cormack: Bug 5283 Follow up, fixing broken template syntax
22:29 * chris     waits for indexes to rebuild
22:30 * Brooke    plays sticks with Chris while he waits.
22:31 cait        sticks?
22:31 Brooke      have a picture.
22:31 Brooke      http://maorilifestyles.blogspot.com/2009/04/maori-stick-games.html
22:32 chrisdoth   I remember playing that in primary school...
22:33 cait        thx Brooke
22:34 Brooke      :)
22:34 robin       yeah, I remember that too. Was no good at it though :)
22:35 chris       Heh robin and I reply at the same time
22:35 robin       yeah, I was going to call 'snap' :)
22:37 cait        ok, bed time :)
22:37 Brooke      night
22:38 cait        don't break koha while I am sleeping ;)
22:47 Brooke      I'm off to get some master broth from the Chinese place and mebbe some happy Chicken, Broccoli & Garlic sauce.
22:47 Brooke      should do in the last of this cobe.
22:47 robin       mm food.
22:48 robin       Almost lunch time here
23:41 chris       back