Time Nick Message 00:51 * Brooke waves at eter 00:51 * jcamins waves at Brooke and eter 00:55 jcamins Hey, there's a command-line Marcedit tool! 00:57 eter hey 00:57 eter hi Brooke 00:57 Brooke :) 00:58 Brooke when regular MarcEdit is just not geeky enough? 00:58 jcamins Brooke: right. 01:00 ULS saludos a todos 01:00 Brooke bienvenido! 01:01 ULS muchisimas garcias a todos por crear esta comunidad de ayuda. 01:01 ULS tengo algunas consultas. Como le cambio el idioma a mi sistema koha. Al español? 01:01 Brooke hang on a tic, haven't had to change the language in forever. 01:03 ULS Any tutorial to change the language to Spanish koha? 01:04 Brooke k 01:04 Brooke Main Intranet Login 01:04 Brooke System Preferences 01:04 Brooke scuse me 01:04 Brooke Administration 01:04 Brooke System Preferences 01:04 Brooke then ES :) 01:05 Brooke it's the I18N/L10N tab 01:05 Brooke just to be extra obvious ;) 01:07 Brooke Bueno? 01:07 * Brooke waves at pianohack 01:07 pianohack Hallo Brooke 01:07 ULS buscando one moment ples 01:08 pianohack Finally have some free coding time :) 01:08 * Brooke cheers at pianohack 01:08 jcamins pianohack: lucky you! 01:08 jcamins Can I have some? 01:08 pianohack Hehe, once you do a engineering school finals week ;) 01:09 Brooke it's all downhill from finals in Trinity 01:09 * Brooke threatened her invigilator with a Glen of the Downs hike. 01:11 jcamins pianohack: what's the status on your text-based cataloging form? (not to be pushy, just wondering... last I heard there was a rumor you were going to try to polish it to submit to Master) 01:11 pianohack Yes! I had plans to do that, and then college hit me upside the head 01:12 jcamins Heh. 01:12 jcamins Welcome to higher education. 01:12 pianohack Indeed 01:12 pianohack Glad to be at school, but it changes your priorities when you're not looking 01:18 jcamins Yeah, it does that. 01:29 jcamins pianohack: how did your finals go? 01:30 pianohack Nothing too crazy this first semester, think I did well 01:30 pianohack It's next semester that'll be evil, with physics and calc 2 01:30 Brooke /me shudders. 01:32 pianohack Physics is supposedly one of the "weed-out" classes, so I might disappear again for a while :P 01:33 * Brooke rolls her eyes. 01:35 Brooke I have never understood the whole "weeding out" thing outside of the Forces. 01:37 eter ok so i've successfully installed koha (i'm a system amin that never had to do library before) now i want to configure koha with ldap think i see somewhere that it is possible, the potential users of this system already have id numbers which i want koha to use, i also have the users in ldap groups which i want to use as koha permissions 01:38 jcamins I don't know anything about LDAP, sorry. 01:38 pianohack Brooke: The official reason is they want to find out who "really wants an education" 01:38 pianohack Also known as the most crazy/obedient 01:39 pianohack eter: You might try a message to the mailing list; Joe Atzberger (atz) is very knowledgable about LDAP 01:41 eter ok, we currently moving from a manual system where things were done by hand, is it possible that if i get a bunch of guys to start type data such as author title pub etc in a spreadsheet it will be importable into koha? 01:42 pianohack Yup, there are ways to get that data into Koha 01:42 pianohack If possible, you might try just cataloging the books in Koha, though 01:42 Brooke *nod* 01:43 Brooke you can rig ISBNs to MARCedit and play fetch, too. 01:43 eter any pointer into the right diretion would be extremely welcomed 01:43 pianohack There's usually a few issues with importing, and entering them directly into Koha allows you to download information from other library's catalogs to make the records nicer 01:43 pianohack Ooh, hadn't thought of that 01:43 Brooke however, you get the effort you put in. 01:43 pianohack eter: Is this a conventional public library with reasonably common books, or a specialized collection? 01:44 eter its a school...truth is i'm not knowledgeable on their collection, they just called me in to help them 01:45 jcamins eter: what kind of school? 01:45 jcamins Generally speaking, I mean. 01:45 eter college 01:46 Brooke :/ 01:46 Brooke I feel like we need an a/s/l for collections. 01:47 eter i figur they might have things like research papers and so on...just speculating 01:47 Brooke the key is to find a similar collection and mine it for data. 01:47 eter a/sl ...age sex location? 01:47 Brooke but even there, there will always be tricky records 01:47 eter ok 01:47 jcamins eter: if they catalog research papers, they are totally SOL wrt copy cataloging. 01:47 Brooke expect about 85/15 no matter what. 01:47 * Brooke agrees with jcamins. 01:47 * jcamins works at a library which catalogs papers separately 01:48 eter whats SOL wrt? ); 01:48 eter out of luck? 01:48 eter lol 01:48 Brooke ayep 01:48 jcamins Errr... stuck out of luck with regards to 01:49 eter hhmm lol 01:50 eter i was thinking that maybe i should give them the staff interface and let them start using it for populating the data...but being a newwbie to koha myself i'm still here trying to find videos to teach them how to add the data 01:51 eter whilst trying to find a way to adapt the interface to a theme of their liking 01:51 jcamins eter: there are a bunch of videos by nengard. 01:51 jcamins And perhaps Brooke knows where. :) 01:52 Brooke >.> 01:52 Brooke <.< 01:52 Brooke I keep telling people 1) the tapes never existed. 01:52 Brooke and 2) I didn't steal them 01:53 Brooke http://wiki.koha-community.org/wiki/Koha_Tutorials 01:54 eter lol Brooke maybe the garbage man did 01:55 Brooke Yes...that's the ticket... 01:56 jcamins Argh! 01:57 jcamins For future reference, document.ready and document.load are not interchangeable. 01:57 jcamins (not that I thought they were, I just didn't realize I was editing document.load) 02:01 pianohack Even worse, it's window.load 02:01 pianohack Always annoyed me 02:01 pianohack Yay, installed Koha on Maverick w/o CPAN 02:02 pianohack chris_n++ # koha_perl_deps.pl is wonderful 02:03 eter i found two of nengards videos is there more? 02:03 Brooke prolly a tonne 02:04 jcamins koha_perl_deps.pl? 02:04 jcamins I don't think that's the one I use... 02:05 jcamins No, I use apt-get-debian-lenny.pl 02:05 jcamins How does koha_perl_deps.pl help you avoid CPAN? 02:15 jcamins Wow. Apparently the Koha repository has increased in size by 50% since May. 02:17 eter found some pdfs form nexpress here http://www.nexpresslibrary.org/training-materials-september-2010/ hopefully good enough 02:18 eter jcamins, does that translate to more productivity? 02:18 jcamins eter: I have no idea. 02:19 jcamins I do know it translates to 50% longer download times, though. ;) 02:21 jcamins pianohack++ 02:22 jcamins pianohack: any chance you could file a bug and attach your patch to the bug? 02:22 pianohack jcamins: Well, the lovely ubuntu packagers help you avoid having to install from CPAN, koha_perl_deps.pl helps you make sure you've installed everything right without constantly reloading the page in the installer; that was a pain 02:22 pianohack jcamins: Sure, one sec 02:22 jcamins pianohack: ah, got it. That makes sense. 02:24 eter i thought that dublincore package wasnt in maveric 02:26 jcamins pianohack: thanks! 02:26 pianohack jcamins: np 02:26 pianohack wow, you're on top of things 02:26 Brooke eter: you must be this tall to ride DC 02:26 pianohack Koha cyborg implant working for you? :) 02:27 pianohack (also, create the bug, assign it to myself, attach the patch, then mark it RESOLVED FIXED?) 02:27 jcamins pianohack: create the bug, assign to yourself, and I'll sign off on it, and send it to the list. 02:27 jcamins And mark the status signed-off. 02:45 Brooke cheers lads. 02:45 jcamins pianohack: how do you use dpkg --set-selections? 02:47 jcamins Ah, got it. 02:48 jcamins No, just kidding, I'm confused. 02:49 jcamins I apparently don't have dselect. 02:50 eter aptitude install dselect 02:51 jcamins Cool, thanks. 02:51 jcamins That worked. 02:51 jcamins :D 02:55 pianohack jcamins: Don't even need that 02:55 pianohack Just run apt-get dselect-upgrade 02:55 pianohack jcamins: Also, I did that bug a bit wrong, but will remember for the next :P 02:57 jcamins Okay, now, can I configure nullmailer with Google Apps... 02:58 jcamins Yep, looks like I can. 03:00 wasabi http://it.slashdot.org/story/10/12/18/1738207/Spamhaus-Under-DDoS-Over-Wikileaksinfo 03:01 wasabi … a new twist to wikileaks 03:05 pianohack Hmm. Does Koha still care about your ParserDetails.ini? Thought I saw a patch to fix that 03:05 jcamins pianohack: yeah, it does. 03:05 pianohack Dammit 03:05 pianohack Okay, thanks 03:05 jcamins There's been some discussion about whether it *really* matters, but no one can figure out what the problem was originally. 03:06 pianohack Was some encoding issue, no? 03:09 jcamins Yeah, but the official bug report was "it doesn't work. 03:12 jcamins INSTALL.debian? 03:13 ibot rumour has it INSTALL.debian is at git.koha-community.org/gitweb/?p=koha.git;a=blob;f=INSTALL.debian 03:13 jcamins Thanks, ibot. 03:13 ibot jcamins: no problem 03:13 wasabi i bumped into a install problem with an incorrect ParserDetails.ini file recently 03:14 wasabi so i think Koha does depend on being correct, still... 03:14 jcamins Yeah, it does. 03:15 jcamins My understanding is that 3 of the four options *might* work. 03:15 jcamins (and the fourth definitely doesn't) 03:18 pianohack ibot: Well, hello there 03:18 ibot pianohack: i'm not following you... 03:18 pianohack Casual conversation is a lost art 03:23 jcamins Okay, that didn't work. 03:24 jcamins Wait, I know why. 03:26 kevinD Hi 03:26 kevinD Anyone around 03:27 jcamins @later tell hdl Sorry if I spammed koha-patches. I'm having some problems. 03:27 munin jcamins: The operation succeeded. 03:27 jcamins Anyway, good night, #koha 03:31 kevinD I have a question about install if anyone is free 03:38 pianohack kevinD: I'm around, everyone else might be asleep 03:38 pianohack What's up? 03:43 kevinD Hi I am familiar with Drupal 03:43 kevinD Just wondering about the instal with Koha 03:43 pianohack Okay 03:43 pianohack kevinD: What's your question? 03:44 pianohack From what I remember of installing Drupal, they are kind of different 03:44 kevinD How complicated is the install with kohl 03:44 kevinD I have installed Drupa a few times using MAMP 03:45 kevinD Do you have a similar setup with kohl ? 03:45 kevinD Kohl 03:45 kevinD Koha 03:46 kevinD Sorry iPad changes the words 03:46 kevinD Pianohack are you still here 03:47 pianohack Sorry, doing two things at once 03:47 pianohack Let me look up mamp 03:47 pianohack Ah, ok 03:47 kevinD That was local 03:47 pianohack Umm, installing Koha on Mac OS X is really painful, last I heard, if you're considering that 03:47 pianohack Various issues with getting everything installed correctly 03:48 kevinD I do work for a non profit, they have a quilt museum that needs a database for library 03:48 pianohack Okay 03:48 pianohack Are you familiar at all with Linux? 03:48 kevinD So I told them I would look into it before I gave them a answer 03:48 kevinD No really some UNIX 03:49 kevinD not fluent 03:49 pianohack Okay 03:49 pianohack Koha is easiest to install on either Debian or Ubuntu Linux 03:49 kevinD I have heard of Drupal installed on ubuntu 03:49 pianohack If you're not familiar with Linux, there's a few options 03:49 kevinD I am all ears 03:50 kevinD Eyes I guess 03:50 pianohack Download the Koha live CD and try it out; you burn it to a CD-R, then boot your computer from it. No commitment or installation 03:50 kevinD Ok 03:51 pianohack Or, use the virtual machine images; you download them, then run them within Mac OS X or whatever using VMWare Player or Virtualbox (both free) 03:51 pianohack http://kylehall.info/index.php/projects/koha/koha-virtual-appliance/ for that 03:51 pianohack Or just install Ubuntu on a spare machien 03:51 pianohack *machine 03:51 pianohack Very easy these days 03:51 pianohack You can even install it side-by-side with Mac OS X with a little work 03:52 pianohack First one is the easiest, but you can't do anything very interesting with it 03:52 pianohack Second is slightly harder, but works well 03:52 pianohack Third is the hardest, but allows you the most room to work down the road 03:52 kevinD That sounds fantastic thanks so much for your help 03:52 pianohack If you like the way you get that machine with Ubuntu on it set up, you could even just take it to the nonprofit and let them run Koha off of it 03:53 pianohack kevinD: np 03:53 pianohack There's usually someone here on IRC if you have questions 03:53 kevinD Thanks 03:53 pianohack Mailing lists are also available; take longer, but more people 03:53 ibot okay, pianohack. 03:53 pianohack good luck 03:53 pianohack I think I just confused the bot 03:53 pianohack Mailing lists? 03:53 ibot Mailing lists are found at http://koha-community.org/support/koha-mailing-lists/ or available; take longer, but more people 03:54 pianohack No, mailing lists are found at http://koha-community.org/support/koha-mailing-lists/ 03:54 pianohack no, Mailing lists are found at http://koha-community.org/support/koha-mailing-lists/ 03:54 pianohack Whatever, silly bot 04:01 pianohack brendan_l left, hmm 04:01 pianohack brendan: around? 04:14 wasabi Mailing lists? 04:14 ibot Mailing lists are found at http://koha-community.org/support/koha-mailing-lists/ or available; take longer, but more people 04:14 wasabi Mailing lists are found at http://koha-community.org/support/koha-mailing-lists/ 04:16 pianohack Mailing lists? 04:16 ibot Mailing lists are found at http://koha-community.org/support/koha-mailing-lists/ or available; take longer, but more people 04:16 pianohack It's being pretty stubborn about it 04:17 pianohack Okay, there. You have to address the correction syntax directly to ibot 04:35 wasabi Mailing lists? 04:35 ibot Mailing lists are found at http://koha-community.org/support/koha-mailing-lists/ 04:35 wasabi ;) 04:35 wasabi ibot: ibot is silly 04:35 ibot ...but ibot is a clever being... 04:46 pianohack wasabi: Hey, do you know if I should RESOLVED/WORKSFORME a rel_3_2 bug that I only know is fixed in HEAD? 04:55 wasabi put that in the bug's comments 04:56 wasabi … but its still a bug for 3_2, until its backported from HEAD back to 3_2 (i think?) 06:28 pianohack wasabi, since you're the only person awake at 11:30 MST on a saturday; what do you think of a commandline syspref setting/getting/dumping tool? 06:28 pianohack Would be a fun airplane hack tomorrow 06:30 kmkale hi all 06:30 pianohack Hallo 06:30 pianohack How might we help you this fine evening? 06:32 kmkale hi pianohack 06:39 pianohack Hi kmkale 06:39 chris pianohack: i think it would be great, then we could set up profiles 06:40 chris and have the installer use them 06:40 pianohack Okay 06:40 chris 'small public library' 06:40 pianohack YAML dumps marked with a minimum version tag sound good? 06:41 chris sounds good to me 06:41 chris also handy for support companies 06:41 chris to recreate a setup to test 06:41 pianohack Very much 06:42 kmkale hi chris 06:42 pianohack Of course, profiles for the admin/ settings in general would be handy 06:42 pianohack but one step at a time 06:42 chris yep 06:51 kmkale @weather Mumbai 06:51 munin kmkale: The current temperature in Mumbai, India is 28.0�C (11:40 AM IST on December 19, 2010). Conditions: Smoke. Humidity: 28%. Dew Point: 8.0�C. Pressure: 29.98 in 1015 hPa (Steady). 06:55 pianohack Weathertime! @weather Trinidad, CO 06:55 pianohack @weather Trinidad, CO 06:55 munin pianohack: The current temperature in Near Trinidad State Junior College, Trinidad, Colorado is -1.7�C (11:58 PM MST on December 18, 2010). Conditions: Clear. Humidity: 78%. Dew Point: -5.0�C. Windchill: -5.0�C. Pressure: 29.83 in 1010.0 hPa (Steady). High wind watch in effect from Sunday afternoon through Monday afternoon... 07:00 pianohack If the humidity is 78% in this desert wasteland, my name is Shirley 07:00 pianohack (don't call me surely) 07:00 pianohack though actually 07:00 pianohack kmkale: "Conditions: Smoke"? What's going on in your part of the world? 07:01 kmkale pianohack: its always smokey in Mumbai 07:01 kmkale too many people and vehicles :( 07:01 pianohack Ah, yeah, the Beijing effect 07:02 pianohack Sorry, that doesn't sound very pleasant 07:02 kmkale its not as bad as it sounds 07:02 kmkale its a nice sunny clear day outside 07:02 pianohack Yeah, that would make it better 07:03 pianohack Cloudy days probably aren't fun, though 07:05 kmkale this is the best season of the year around here 07:06 kmkale in monsoon it rains way too much and in summer its very hot and humid 08:19 munin New commit(s) kohagit: Bug 4286 Allow receiving if subscription enddate not set <http://git.koha-community.org/gitweb/?p=koha.git;a=commitdiff;h=74e63fe0e602f745e711cf00417b965614f7be68> / Fix for Bug 5518 - Add to shelf icon doesn't appear in OPAC results page <http://git.koha-community.org/gitweb/?p=koha.git;a=commitdiff;h=276e1c34307b9bcb2986e4bd1b1318b4bfe12d75> / Merge remote branch 'kc/new/bug_4908' into kcmaster <http://git.koha-community.o 08:29 munin New commit(s) kohagit: Merge remote branch 'kc/new/bug_5446' into kcmaster <http://git.koha-community.org/gitweb/?p=koha.git;a=commitdiff;h=8902ee5684719b7b7ff936272dcbb96dd558b411> / Bug 5446 Fix a bug introduces by previous patch <http://git.koha-community.org/gitweb/?p=koha.git;a=commitdiff;h=9a048e2b12e2004fad51b5b0db3187a8eb6c2a04> 08:29 hudsonbot Starting build 230 for job Koha_Master (previous build: STILL UNSTABLE -- last SUCCESS #188 12 days ago) 08:53 hudsonbot Project Koha_Master build #230: STILL UNSTABLE in 24 min: http://hudson.koha-community.org/job/Koha_Master/230/ 08:53 hudsonbot * Owen Leonard: Follow-up fix for Bug 5285, adding missing CSS 08:53 hudsonbot * Owen Leonard: Follow-up patch for Bug 4908, show patron's home library in OPAC 08:53 hudsonbot * Owen Leonard: Fix for Bug 5518 - Add to shelf icon doesn't appear in OPAC results page 08:53 hudsonbot * Colin Campbell: Bug 4286 Allow receiving if subscription enddate not set 08:53 hudsonbot * Frédéric Demians: Bug 5446 Fix a bug introduces by previous patch 09:09 cait hi #koha 09:12 chris hi cait 09:12 cait hi chris 09:12 cait you were pushing patches when I went to bed... and now you are still pushing patches ;) 09:12 chris heh 09:22 * cait goes to check on her fudge 09:23 cait yummy - and it got harder, so there is a chance to cut it into pieces now :) 09:24 cait jransom++ for great fudge recipes 09:24 cait chris: what is the status of the template toolkit work? 09:27 chris would it be wrong to reply to david lang saying send a patch 09:28 chris cait: i think everything except the umlauts is fixed 09:28 cait chris: those crazy umluats 09:29 cait chris: so want me to test? or test something else? 09:29 cait looking for sunday projects :) 09:29 chris testing would be good 09:29 chris replying to david lang saying he could report his suggestions in bugzilla, and/or send patches 09:30 chris would be good too 09:30 chris or probably better, just ignore it 09:30 chris im pretty sure he only ever posts to annoy people 09:30 cait I opt for the second 09:31 cait I would add: don't install the sample data, if you don't want it ;) 09:31 chris yeah 09:31 chris and i have done installs on databases not named koha plenty of times 09:31 chris the installer never creates the db 09:31 cait ah right 09:31 chris you have to do it yourself 09:32 chris whatever name you call it 09:32 cait and give this to the installer 09:32 chris (unless you use the packages) 09:32 chris yeah 09:32 chris like the INSTALL files tell you 09:32 cait I think my coworker was thinking about using the ISIL as name 09:32 cait not sure he did for the new installations 09:35 cait ran into the language detection problem again 09:35 cait hmpf 09:36 cait I already updated the bug, will note in on the wiki page too 09:36 chris cool 09:37 cait it's an annoying bug 09:38 chris yup 09:44 cait fredericd++ 09:44 cait [2] For sysprefs, quoted text wasn't properly retrieved from .po file and so 09:44 cait quoted strings wasn't translatable. 09:44 cait that was another very annoying bug 09:45 cait and the reason why I refused to translate my pref file yesterday - because I had already translated those things like a dozen times :) 09:45 chris :) 10:47 ivanc hi #koha 11:05 cait hi ivanc :) 11:05 ivanc hi cait :) 11:07 magnus kia ora, #koha 11:08 magnus @wunder bodo, norway 11:08 munin magnus: The current temperature in Bodo, Norway is -6.0�C (11:50 AM CET on December 19, 2010). Conditions: Clear. Humidity: 46%. Dew Point: -16.0�C. Windchill: -17.0�C. Pressure: 30.09 in 1019 hPa (Steady). 11:25 cait hi magnus 11:25 cait @wunder Konstanz 11:25 munin cait: The current temperature in Taegerwilen, Taegerwilen, Germany is 1.2�C (12:25 PM CET on December 19, 2010). Conditions: Mostly Cloudy. Humidity: 78%. Dew Point: -2.0�C. Windchill: 1.0�C. Pressure: 29.59 in 1001.9 hPa (Falling). 11:29 magnus hi cait 13:21 nengard Anyone awake? Waiting for a plane .. trying to stay awake 13:37 * jcamins_a is now 13:38 cait me is 13:38 cait not really... but it's not the right time to sleep here 13:38 cait where are you flying to? 13:46 jcamins So, how are things, cait? 13:46 cait lazy sunday 13:46 jcamins Uh-oh... my VM had a status of "Aborted." I hope I didn't break something. 13:47 cait have you seen my follow up to 5226= 13:47 cait ? 13:48 jcamins I had not. 13:48 jcamins It makes sense to me. 13:49 cait I forgot about it - stumbled on my bookmark earlier today 13:49 cait I tried jo's fudge recipe 13:49 jcamins How was it? 13:50 cait but I used too much condensed milk I think - it tastes very yummy, but is too soft and sticky to be cut into pieces 13:50 cait I added cranberries and walnuts instead of cashews 13:50 jcamins Actually, you probably just undercooked it. 13:50 cait and I think I got the soft ball stage right this time... perhaps 13:50 cait *sigh* I feared you would say something like that :) 13:50 jcamins Because that sounds like it didn't set. 13:51 cait hm 13:51 cait it's a soft brown 13:51 cait light brown 13:51 cait and the upper side is dry and ok, but on the bottom it's still a bit too sticky 13:51 cait sticks to my baking paper 13:51 cait I was able to form the ball in the cold water 13:52 cait perhaps I have to get a sugar thermometer 13:52 kmkale hi cait 13:52 cait hi kmkale 13:52 kmkale hi jcamins 13:52 kmkale aahh food talk :) 13:52 cait we are discussing food - you are right in time :) 13:53 kmkale aahh food talk :) 13:53 cait hehe 13:53 kmkale echo? 13:53 cait jcamins: do you have a tip get it into smaller pieces? 13:53 kmkale no worries I am home and munching away on fried stuff myself ;) 13:53 cait I was thinking about turning it around and try to let the other side dry a little 13:54 jcamins Hm. Yeah, I'd try that. 13:55 jcamins Also, did you try sticking it in the refrigerator? 13:59 cait no 13:59 cait but I can try that too :) 14:00 jcamins @later tell chris I signed off on the patch for bug 5520, but couldn't send it to koha-patches, so I attached it to the bug. 14:00 munin jcamins: The operation succeeded. 14:25 jcamins Wow! 14:25 jcamins Seamless mode is really cool! 14:27 kmkale whats seamless mode jcamins? 14:28 jcamins Instead of running in a window, the VM fills my entire screen, and there are no scrollbars. 14:28 kmkale virtualbox? 14:29 jcamins Right. 14:29 cait I love working without vm now on my older laptop with linu 14:29 cait x 14:29 cait so much more fun 14:30 cait it's great to do koha dev things :) 14:30 cait but I always had only the server edition of ubuntu installed - no desktop 14:31 cait switching computers - will be back in 5 14:31 kmkale jcan does virtualbox support kvm? 14:31 kmkale sorry jcamins ^^ 14:33 jcamins kmkale: you don't need a separate kvm switch. 14:33 jcamins It runs on the same computer. 14:34 kmkale jcamins: i meant the kernel virtualization 14:34 jcamins Oh. 14:34 jcamins Hm. 14:34 jcamins I don't think so. 14:34 jcamins VirtualBox virtualizes the entire system. 14:35 cait1 hi again 14:35 cait1 my windows thinks it's 5 june 2005? 14:36 kmkale i use qemu-kvm 14:44 jcamins kmkale: I switched to a Mac. ;) 14:44 kmkale cool 14:45 jcamins (so qemu-kvm isn't going to work for me) 14:45 kmkale I bought a dell N4010 4gb ram, core i3 370, 500gb hdd under usd700 14:45 jcamins Yeah, computers are ridiculously cheap. 14:45 kmkale setting it up right now 14:46 kmkale ubuntu 10.10 works like a charm on it 14:50 jcamins Hm. Cloning a 5GB hard drive image takes a while, apparently. 14:51 jcamins Thankfully not as long as people are reporting it will. 14:51 jcamins Oh, apparently I could have just used cp to clone it. 14:52 jcamins Hm. Maybe just five minutes. 14:57 kmkale ooo 3g rollout has finally started in India. Cant wait to get connected 15:03 * cait hands out small fudge quarters to everybody around 15:04 jcamins Mmm, thank you. 15:04 kmkale thanks cait 15:04 jcamins Not even vaguely Koha-related, but very cute: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=jm3dm5J5r0A 15:06 * kmkale is a dog person 15:09 cait lol 15:19 jcamins [off] *18*? There were *18* letters to send in this mass mailing? What's the point of a mass mailing to 18 people? 15:21 cait [off] what are you talking about? 15:24 jcamins Non-profits. 15:25 jcamins May the Koha deities defend us from non-profit administration. 15:49 cait hm, waht are the attributes of the koha deities? 15:49 cait a barcode scanner, a learning perl book and... 15:49 jcamins Hm. 15:50 jcamins An RMS miniature? 15:53 cait hehe 18:51 cait re 19:06 cait @wunder Konstanz 19:06 munin cait: The current temperature in Konstanz, Germany is 0.0�C (8:00 PM CET on December 19, 2010). Conditions: Mostly Cloudy. Humidity: 80%. Dew Point: -3.0�C. Pressure: 29.52 in 1000 hPa (Falling). 19:29 richard hi 19:33 chris morning 19:33 jwagner good [select your time of day] 19:34 richard hi chris and jwagner 19:34 cait hi chris jawagner and richard 19:36 druthb hi, chris, jwagner, and richard, and cait. :D 19:36 cait hi druthb :) 19:36 chris jcamins_a: thanks for the signoff, will push that now, as its a no harm change 19:37 jcamins chris: thanks. 19:37 * druthb notes that the Ashes is at 1-each. 19:38 chris yeah england collapsed bad 19:42 chris hi Brooke and hdl 19:43 Brooke TÄ“nÄ koutou 19:43 hdl hi all 19:43 druthb hi, Brooke. :) 19:43 * Brooke winks at druthb 19:43 * druthb winks back. 19:44 cait hi Brooke 19:44 Brooke howdy 19:44 ibot hi, Brooke 19:45 * Brooke feels the love. 19:45 druthb ibot: Brooke? 19:45 ibot Brooke is certainly gonna go 19:45 Brooke ibot: be ruth 19:45 ibot Brooke: i'm not following you... 19:45 Brooke ibot: be druthb 19:45 ibot Harrumph! 19:45 druthb hehehehehe 19:46 druthb ibot: be cait 19:46 ibot druthb: what? 19:47 chris hdl: i think a meeting on persistance would be good 19:47 hdl hi. 19:47 chris i have been running circ under plack for 3 weeks now, and it hasnt exploded yet 19:48 hdl nice. 19:48 chris but there are places where we need to change code, (any place we use memoize without a timeout etc) 19:49 hdl Is it in production for one of your sites ? or is it just testing. 19:49 hdl ? 19:49 chris its on a very low usage prodcution site 19:49 hdl yes... and we would need to place flush_cache wherever parameters are edited. 19:49 chris hoping to move it to higher usage one when we fix the data persistance problems 19:49 chris yep 19:49 chris exactly 19:50 hdl have you tried the remove_items branch ? I think that then Plack would not be needed for that one ? How were is your circ performing using Plack ? 19:51 chris its not much faster 19:51 chris because yes, its the parsing xml that is slow 19:51 hdl (mmm no, it would be needed for circulation parameters.) 19:51 chris but it is much more scalable 19:51 chris ie, it doesnt slow down 19:52 chris whereas if you put apache under load, you can break it 19:52 chris plack + caching = faster 19:52 chris (in code caching) 19:52 chris but we dont do a lot of that, because without persistance there is no point 19:53 munin New commit(s) kohagit: Bug 5506 Improve translation script <http://git.koha-community.org/gitweb/?p=koha.git;a=commitdiff;h=814795da60318c70059fc1dfbe7be4da37109db0> 19:53 chris but once we are running in a persistant way, we can do smarter things 19:53 hdl I think so... 19:53 chris (and not just cache the db query, cache the processed result) 19:57 munin New commit(s) kohagit32: Bug 5506 Improve translation script <http://git.koha-community.org/gitweb/?p=koha.git;a=commitdiff;h=9c1fa4581c21bfd30400c0323ebe8081e4d3ee19> 19:58 hdl when should we schedule the meeting ? 19:58 chris i think will have to wait til after xmas? 19:59 chris maybe in between christmas and new year? 19:59 hudsonbot Starting build 231 for job Koha_Master (previous build: STILL UNSTABLE -- last SUCCESS #188 12 days ago) 19:59 hudsonbot Starting build 60 for job Koha_3.2.x (previous build: STILL UNSTABLE -- last SUCCESS #54 12 days ago) 20:03 hdl chris.... I would not be there. 20:03 hdl (I am supposed to be on holiday. 20:03 hdl ) 20:04 hdl (But maybe we could arrange some meeting though.... It really IS important) 20:04 chris ahh, after new years then? 20:04 cait I think most people will be away 20:05 cait but a lot of people might be interested - better give them a chance to participate 20:05 Brooke this is why I had a pickle of a time coming up with the wiki, blank as it was. 20:06 chris chris_n: you recommend a revert for 5373 ? 20:07 hdl cait: a lot of people may be interested but they also will be able to read the logs.... 20:07 cait hdl: I think after new year should be ok - a discussion can only take place if there are people to discuss things 20:07 jcamins hdl: but reading the logs is not the same as participating. 20:08 Brooke aye, it would also give you time to relax, cher. 20:08 hdl anyway, such a meeting would have to be prepared, with some testing instance of code... And some work being prepared... 20:08 hdl So after new year would be great. 20:10 hdl but the longer we take to organize, the shorter time will be to get things done. 20:10 Brooke aye. 20:10 * Brooke thinks January will be quite a busy meeting month. 20:11 hdl tic tac tic tac 20:11 Brooke The doormouse is asleep again. 20:17 chris cait: you around for a litte bit longer? 20:17 cait yes 20:17 chris could you please do some screenshots of the umlaut problem you had with TT ? 20:17 cait you can easily reproduce it I think by setting up a database with german sample date - but of course will do 20:18 cait I am on the other laptop right now, will do after the film is over - that ok? 20:18 cait I found some ohter things - there is a problem with patron search 20:19 cait looks like the translation problems changed a , into comma 20:24 jcamins ibot: jo's food blog? 20:24 ibot jcamins: i don't know 20:25 * Brooke gasps at ibot's recalcitrance. 20:25 jcamins Brooke: cait: any idea? 20:25 Brooke http://lesttheybelost.blogspot.com/ 20:25 cait huh? 20:25 jcamins Thanks! 20:26 jcamins Jo's food blog is at http://lesttheybelost.blogspot.com/ 20:26 jcamins cait: never mind. 20:26 * Brooke is just this side of safe from being replaced by a chat bot a bit longer/ 20:26 cait sorry, tatort 20:27 cait http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Tatort 20:28 hudsonbot Project Koha_3.2.x build #60: STILL UNSTABLE in 28 min: http://hudson.koha-community.org/job/Koha_3.2.x/60/ 20:28 hudsonbot Frédéric Demians: Bug 5506 Improve translation script 20:28 hudsonbot Project Koha_Master build #231: STILL UNSTABLE in 28 min: http://hudson.koha-community.org/job/Koha_Master/231/ 20:28 hudsonbot Frédéric Demians: Bug 5506 Improve translation script 20:40 cait ok, film over 20:40 cait chris? 20:40 ibot rumour has it chris is awesome 20:40 cait ibot botsnack fudge 20:40 ibot :) 20:41 chris ah ok, yep after the film is fine 20:42 cait after the film is now ;) 20:42 cait any special wished? and have you checked the updates on the wiki pages? 20:43 chris chris just asked for screenshots of the umlaut problem .. oh if you could send us some marc records with umlauts that would be handy too 20:43 chris ill ask him to hop on here 20:43 chris there he is ;) 20:43 chris chrisdoth meet cait, who has been testing your work ;) 20:43 * cait waves to chrisdoth 20:44 * Brooke wave to chris. 20:44 chrisdoth hello cait and chris :) 20:44 * chrisdoth waves back to everyone :) 20:44 cait chris told me to make screenshots of the umlaut problem, but I think it should be easily reproducable too 20:45 chris if you could send us some marc records with the umlauts in them, then we can load them in to test 20:45 cait what I did right now was create a new library with code TEST and name äüäßÄÖÜ 20:45 chris ahh easy 20:45 cait chris: it's not the umlauts 20:45 cait ah not the records 20:45 cait did not really test that yet 20:45 cait the problems I reported is all data from the database 20:45 chris ahh i thought it was the records 20:45 chris (cos they are in the db too) 20:46 cait there is one problem spotted in the records too - but did not really test that yet 20:46 cait right :) 20:46 cait let me create a record next 20:46 cait the library name is broken after saving 20:46 Brooke http://catalog.loc.gov/cgi-bin/Pwebrecon.cgi?v1=1&ti=1,1&Search%5FArg=Goethe&Search%5FCode=GKEY%5E%2A&CNT=100&type=quick&PID=o1Y5v77vfQjwNcDefpZumxx3h6Z&SEQ=20101219154838&SID=1 20:46 Brooke which is amusingly busted 20:46 * Brooke titters. 20:46 cait in display on the front page and when you open it for edit 20:47 cait Brooke: the umlauts there are broken too - but that's because of the normalization 20:47 cait the dots should be over the letters, not beside 20:47 Brooke but they aren't on the search screen 20:47 chris Brooke: has that got anything to do with the template toolkit stuff? 20:47 Brooke so I suspect it is a matter of display 20:48 * chris suspects not 20:48 cait Brooke: it's the normalization - trust me :) 20:48 Brooke I will trust you then. 20:48 cait they make u + dots in utf-8 - that is vlaid, but the browsers have problems 20:48 chris right .. back to the template toolkit work 20:48 chris so saving a branch name, ends up with the branch name messed up 20:48 Brooke just looked fine from 20:48 Brooke http://catalog.loc.gov/cgi-bin/Pwebrecon.cgi?DB=local&Search_Arg=Goethe&Search_Code=GKEY%5E*&CNT=100&hist=1&type=quick 20:48 cait that's why we do some things to our data before loading into koha - making it a one character ü 20:49 cait chris: right 20:49 chris and you are about to test a record? 20:49 cait and that happens in a lot of places I tested 20:49 cait yep, can do that now 20:49 cait but the display is broken in a lot of places 20:49 cait you can test that with itemtype too and other things, it's always the same 20:50 cait my new record button does not work 20:50 chris right, so we just need to check if its records too 20:50 hdl good day nz and good night europa 20:50 chris cait: can you load one in? 20:50 chris or just edit an existing one? 20:50 cait yeah, but have to find one with real umlauts first 20:51 cait not so easy 20:51 cait or manipulate a loaded one... but add the button to the list 20:51 chris yup 20:51 chris cool, that should give us some stuff too look at :) 20:51 chris i suspect fixing the branchname .. will fix it everywhere 20:52 cait yep, that's what I think too 20:52 cait http://www.fernstudiert.de/fernstudium/doku.php?id=koha:template_toolkit&s[]=toolkit - I updated and added some new things 20:53 chris cool chrisdoth can now reproduce it, thanks heaps cait 20:53 cait no problem 20:53 chris and its perfectly fine in master .. so its stored ok in the db 20:53 chris just displayed wrong 20:53 cait yep 20:56 cait hm I see some problems in cataloging 20:56 cait the forms are broken a little too 20:56 chris yup, that's expected 20:57 chris can you note it down though please 20:57 cait funny, the record looks quite good 20:57 munin New commit(s) kohagit: Add .packages file for Ubuntu 10.10 <http://git.koha-community.org/gitweb/?p=koha.git;a=commitdiff;h=88d3d09897aa8624b20ad5762b0c06699caa766e> 20:57 chris :) 20:58 * Brooke mutters at the renaming of things. 20:59 cait chris: ok, from all tabs in details only normal is borken 20:59 cait broken 20:59 chris oh interesting 20:59 cait with xslt display on 20:59 hudsonbot Starting build 232 for job Koha_Master (previous build: STILL UNSTABLE -- last SUCCESS #188 13 days ago) 20:59 cait always speaking about staff at the moment 21:00 chris yup 21:00 cait it's ok without xslt 21:00 chris k 21:00 chris and is it umlaut problem again or a different one? 21:01 cait talking about umlauts now 21:01 chris k 21:01 cait reported some other problems on the wiki 21:01 chris ta 21:01 cait no worries :) 21:02 cait not complaining - i think it works great. we only need to fix some gliches 21:02 chris no worries, we know you arent complaining, testing only works if people report the bugs :) 21:03 cait good :) 21:03 cait and tell it the other chris too - his work is great :) 21:04 cait chrisdoth++ 21:04 chrisdoth cait: thank you very much :) 21:04 cait ah, still listening :) 21:04 * Brooke points out that Koha has a cadre of Chrises. 21:05 chrisdoth cait: im still here, just trying to track down one of the bugs you mentioned :p 21:05 chris man i love git 21:05 cait git++ 21:06 chris http://git.koha-community.org/gitweb/?p=koha.git;a=commit;h=c9465ed9dfb0ec557a674104f11bb969213c315b 21:06 chris too easy 21:06 chris git + branches = pull things out if they fail testing easily 21:06 cait :) 21:06 cait ok, will change the chat to the computer where koha is 21:07 cait will be back shortly 21:07 chris cool 21:07 munin New commit(s) kohagit: Revert "Merge remote branch 'kc/new/bug_5373' into kcmaster" <http://git.koha-community.org/gitweb/?p=koha.git;a=commitdiff;h=c9465ed9dfb0ec557a674104f11bb969213c315b> 21:07 cait back 21:09 * Brooke waves to rachel 21:22 * cait puts a plate with more fudge in the middle of koha 21:22 cait #koha 21:23 jcamins Mmmm! 21:23 jcamins I wanted to make fudge, but I don't think I can, since I don't have much sugar. 21:23 Brooke nomnomnomnomnom 21:23 hudsonbot Project Koha_Master build #232: STILL UNSTABLE in 24 min: http://hudson.koha-community.org/job/Koha_Master/232/ 21:23 hudsonbot Jesse Weaver: Add .packages file for Ubuntu 10.10 21:23 Brooke hooray :D 21:24 cait yeah, you really need a lot of sugar 21:24 cait chris: have to run a marathon now... 21:24 Brooke not as much as I need an Ubuntu package. 21:24 jcamins So I think I might make these http://www.cooks.com/rec/view/0,2310,154177-234202,00.html 21:24 Brooke meh. 21:24 hudsonbot Starting build 233 for job Koha_Master (previous build: STILL UNSTABLE -- last SUCCESS #188 13 days ago) 21:24 Brooke not nearly as sexy as fudge. 21:25 jcamins No, but requires far less sugar. 21:25 Brooke peanut butter + oatmeal = sacriledge. 21:25 jcamins Too healthy? 21:26 Brooke no, it's sitting on the fence. 21:26 Brooke I mean, you either want slutty (chocolate + peanut butter) 21:26 Brooke or healthy (oatmeal + raisin) 21:26 Brooke that thar is the conservadem of cookies. 21:27 jcamins Yeah, that's true. But I don't have chocolate, either. Just cocoa powder. 21:27 jcamins And I already made brownies. 21:27 Brooke clearly you need a care package. 21:27 munin New commit(s) kohagit: Fix for Bug 3262 - OPAC needs syspref to show homebranch on detail page <http://git.koha-community.org/gitweb/?p=koha.git;a=commitdiff;h=75762a63e940040d3d9bcc26566b0079000078a8> 21:47 magnus_a good night #koha 21:47 cait night magnus 21:47 cait sleep well 21:47 cait ah, too slow... 21:47 munin New commit(s) kohagit: Merge remote branch 'kc/new/enh/bug_5283' into kcmaster <http://git.koha-community.org/gitweb/?p=koha.git;a=commitdiff;h=3c19f22f8625105715f9ba5f4fca2b0502bcd9cc> / Bug 5283 Follow up, fixing broken template syntax <http://git.koha-community.org/gitweb/?p=koha.git;a=commitdiff;h=206e0709d7041368666fa109c66663e1af52d174> 21:48 Brooke you and me both, Cait. 21:48 cait yeah, too slow in 2 windows 21:48 hudsonbot Project Koha_Master build #233: STILL UNSTABLE in 24 min: http://hudson.koha-community.org/job/Koha_Master/233/ 21:48 hudsonbot Chris Cormack: Revert "Merge remote branch 'kc/new/bug_5373' into kcmaster" 21:49 cait this fudge is trying to lure me to the fridge.. 21:49 * cait tries to ignore it 21:49 hudsonbot Starting build 234 for job Koha_Master (previous build: STILL UNSTABLE -- last SUCCESS #188 13 days ago) 21:50 * druthb is being lured to cait's fridge by the fudge. 21:51 cait hehe 21:55 * jwagner goes off to salvage the rest of my weekend 21:55 jwagner Bye all. 21:55 druthb see ya, Jane. 21:55 Brooke see ya 22:11 hudsonbot Project Koha_Master build #234: STILL UNSTABLE in 22 min: http://hudson.koha-community.org/job/Koha_Master/234/ 22:11 hudsonbot * Owen Leonard: Fix for Bug 3262 - OPAC needs syspref to show homebranch on detail page 22:11 hudsonbot * Chris Cormack: Bug 5283 Follow up, fixing broken template syntax 22:29 * chris waits for indexes to rebuild 22:30 * Brooke plays sticks with Chris while he waits. 22:31 cait sticks? 22:31 Brooke have a picture. 22:31 Brooke http://maorilifestyles.blogspot.com/2009/04/maori-stick-games.html 22:32 chrisdoth I remember playing that in primary school... 22:33 cait thx Brooke 22:34 Brooke :) 22:34 robin yeah, I remember that too. Was no good at it though :) 22:35 chris Heh robin and I reply at the same time 22:35 robin yeah, I was going to call 'snap' :) 22:37 cait ok, bed time :) 22:37 Brooke night 22:38 cait don't break koha while I am sleeping ;) 22:47 Brooke I'm off to get some master broth from the Chinese place and mebbe some happy Chicken, Broccoli & Garlic sauce. 22:47 Brooke should do in the last of this cobe. 22:47 robin mm food. 22:48 robin Almost lunch time here 23:41 chris back