Time Nick Message 01:01 brendan night all - heading home :) 05:27 kmkale good morning #koha 06:17 cait morning #koha 06:26 kmkale morning cait 06:26 cait hi kmkale :) 06:26 kmkale are you aware of any RFC / enhancement in works for adding local cover images support? 06:32 cait kmkale: I think someone wrote on the mailing list about it some time ago - but I don't remember a rfc on the wiki 06:33 kmkale I am searching the wiki then will search the lists. I have just received a sponsor for the feature 06:33 cait hey, that's cool :) 06:33 kmkale :) 06:34 cait I think somethink like - check local - check online (amazon, google books...) would be good 06:34 cait have koha use a local picture if one exists and a online picture else 06:34 kmkale Yup. I will send out a email on devel soon with the scope of work requesting for comments and suggestions 06:35 kmkale just checking if someone had any ideas concerning this already in a rfc. 06:35 kmkale will also put a rfc in wiki today 06:42 kmkale bug 1633 06:42 munin 04Bug http://bugs.koha-community.org/bugzilla3/show_bug.cgi?id=1633 enhancement, P3, ---, gmcharlt, NEW, Add ability to take book cover images from local img db 06:42 cait ah, bugzilla 06:42 cait really old suggestion 06:42 kmkale also a nice discussion here http://thread.gmane.org/gmane.education.libraries.koha.devel/3365/focus=3367 06:43 cait I am looking at some old bugs right now 06:43 cait perhaps we can lower the open bugs countn a little :) 06:45 kmkale good for weekend 06:50 cait kmkale: what time is it for you now? 06:50 cait @wunder Konstanz 06:50 munin cait: The current temperature in Taegerwilen, Taegerwilen, Germany is 1.7�C (7:50 AM CET on December 11, 2010). Conditions: Light Rain. Humidity: 88%. Dew Point: -0.0�C. Windchill: -1.0�C. Pressure: 30.33 in 1027.0 hPa (Steady). 06:50 kmkale 12.22pm 06:50 kmkale @weather Mumbai 06:50 cait ah 06:50 munin kmkale: The current temperature in Mumbai, India is 25.0�C (11:40 AM IST on December 11, 2010). Conditions: Smoke. Humidity: 54%. Dew Point: 15.0�C. Pressure: 29.86 in 1011 hPa (Steady). 06:51 cait 7:52am 06:51 kmkale munin your time is off 06:51 munin kmkale: Error: "your" is not a valid command. 06:59 chris its the time it got the weather report, not what time it thinks it is 07:02 cait hi chris 07:03 kmkale aahh 07:03 kmkale hi chris 07:05 cait @wunder wellington, nz 07:05 munin cait: The current temperature in Wellington, New Zealand is 18.0�C (7:00 PM NZDT on December 11, 2010). Conditions: Scattered Clouds. Humidity: 88%. Dew Point: 16.0�C. Pressure: 29.62 in 1003 hPa (Rising). 07:40 cait looks like the reports module is a translation nightmare :( 07:42 cait oh yes 07:42 cait harcoded strings everywhere but not in the templates 07:42 cait *sighs* 07:49 * cait gets a headache from looking at it 07:55 kmkale new server got koha via git clone. make test fails Error: Access denied for user 'booksnmore'@'localhost' (using password: YES) at /home/booksnmore/kohaclone/blib/PERL_MODULE_DIR/C4/Context.pm line 692. I am able to login to mysql suing same credentials :( 08:17 cait sorry kmkale -have to run 08:17 kmkale bye 09:35 kmkale it seems if I have a # in mysql password, mysql is happy but koha test fails 13:34 nengard anyone around? 13:59 jcamins_a nengard: Kind of. 13:59 nengard jcamins i think i'm okay now 13:59 jcamins_a Good. :) 14:03 jcamins_a Anyone know anything about the main page of the OPAC not working on IE? 14:05 jcamins_a The sidebar is all jumbled over the main page. 14:13 nengard jcamins we had a few issues in ie8 14:13 nengard but that doesn't sound familiar 14:17 jcamins_a I guess I'll need to get Windows installed in a VM so I can test. 14:21 nengard ick 14:22 jcamins_a Well, that's a project for another day. 14:28 eric_b jcamins_a, we think alike :) (ref: Covers images) 14:33 kmkale jcamins_a eric_b you think a file system storage will be better that mysql? 14:35 ebegin kmkale, you would store the files in mysql directly? this may be ok for small catalogue, but i don't know what the performances would be for a large one 14:36 ebegin It also depends of the size of the images. 14:39 kmkale ebegin: yes i am inclined towards storing in mysql. 14:40 kmkale isn't that waht we are doing with patron images? 14:44 kmkale brb 14:53 jcamins kmkale: I would prefer a file system storage. 14:54 jcamins ebegin: Here's an example of what you're talking about: http://demo.cpbibliography.com/cgi-bin/koha/opac-detail.pl?biblionumber=1 14:54 jcamins There's actually a 563u, so I would prefer to see the URL put in there, if a URL is entered directly. 14:55 jcamins However, I think it would be better if the cataloger didn't have to specify the cover image. 14:55 jcamins Perhaps a syspref "use 563u or use MARC tag"? 14:58 kmkale ebegin: the catalouge looks nice :) 14:59 jcamins kmkale: if you're talking about the C & P demo catalogue, that's mine. ;) 14:59 kmkale thats still loading jcamins slow internet here 15:00 jcamins Okay. 15:00 kmkale i am talking about the link to a canadian catalouge ebegin sent 15:00 * jcamins goes looking for this e-mail... 15:00 kmkale http://arto.inlibro.net/cgi-bin/koha/opac-search.pl?q=Lemiere 15:01 jcamins Nice! 15:02 jcamins Really, *really* nice. 15:02 jcamins Anyway, if you'd like to canibalize (however you spell that) any of my image library functionality: https://github.com/jcamins/koha/tree/image_library 15:25 kmkale oops never realised i had got disconnected :( 15:26 kmkale thanks jcamins will dig into that 15:48 cait hi #koha :) 15:53 cait hm nobody here 15:57 kmkale hi cait 15:58 cait hi kmkale 15:59 kmkale :) 16:28 * druthb waves 16:31 cait hi druthb 16:37 kmkale hey druthb ;) 16:37 druthb hi, cait and kmkale. :) 16:40 ebegin kmkale, thanks :) This is a organisation that lends art pieces. 16:46 kmkale ebegin: i cant see logo/watermark on the images 16:50 ebegin It is more visible in the detail bib. for exeample: http://arto.inlibro.net/cgi-bin/koha/opac-detail.pl?biblionumber=3233 16:50 ebegin It's a watermark 16:50 ebegin kindof 16:56 kmkale cool 17:05 kmkale ebegin: i like the details page even better 17:18 cait doesn' t load for me :( 17:18 cait ah now it did 17:18 cait tried several times a few minutes ago 17:20 cait very cool 17:24 cait beautiful 17:52 ebegin thanks! :) 17:53 cait :) 17:53 * cait waves to jcamins 17:56 kmkale bye all. good night 18:32 cait chris_n: around? 18:35 cait nengard: around? 19:00 munin New commit(s) kohagit: Bug 5467: Kits shown wrong as visual material in XSLT displays <http://git.koha-community.org/gitweb/?p=koha.git;a=commitdiff;h=5633b423e3622f21842e38598f208e5da588f7e5> / Bug 5446 Item creation in Acquisition module doesn't control mandatory field <http://git.koha-community.org/gitweb/?p=koha.git;a=commitdiff;h=76264638ccd16600fa063fe19475e73177763916> / Add BSZ to Koha's About page <http://git.koha-community.org/gitweb/?p= 19:00 hudsonbot Starting build 191 for job Koha_Master (previous build: UNSTABLE -- last SUCCESS #188 4 days 22 hr ago) 19:01 cait hi chris 19:01 cait !hudson botsnack lebkuchen 19:01 hudsonbot cait: you're so kind to me! I could eat lebkuchen all day long 19:02 cait me too hudson... me too 19:05 chris Hi cait 19:06 * cait waves 19:06 cait another patch in koha 19:06 * cait makes a little dance 19:06 chris 2 in fact 19:06 cait does a little dance? nah, I really can't dance, so it doesn't matter 19:06 chris Heh 19:06 cait right :) 19:06 chris Does 19:07 cait how is your weekend? 19:07 cait kmkale signed-off on deletedborrowers... 19:07 chris Cool haven't got there yet 19:08 chris Colin signed off tons to 19:08 cait he send it as attached file to the list 19:08 cait yep, he as really busy 19:08 cait I was going to sign off on nengard's bug 1997 19:08 munin 04Bug http://bugs.koha-community.org/bugzilla3/show_bug.cgi?id=1997 enhancement, PATCH-Sent, ---, nengard, NEW, sys pref to Edit no results found page 19:08 cait wondering about the sys pref part 19:08 cait should I write a follow up patch to add it to all the sql files? 19:08 cait how do we deal with that now? 19:08 chris Yes please 19:09 cait ok, will sign-off with a note and send a follow up 19:09 chris It needs to be in the sql 19:09 cait I rebased it, but only had to change the order in updatadatabase 19:09 chris Else, if someone installs fresh 19:09 chris It won't work 19:09 cait he will miss it 19:09 cait yeah, I know 19:09 cait we have a loooot of missing things 19:09 sekjal oooh, one of my devs depends on 1997, as I recall 19:10 chris Yep 19:10 munin New commit(s) kohagit: Fix for 4832 - Re-editing a suggestion changes the item type <http://git.koha-community.org/gitweb/?p=koha.git;a=commitdiff;h=c9f3f2872f8ca15eed8bcd73fcd498f81ad7d5df> 19:10 cait some are even missing from prefs - chris_n did some work on that, but didn't manage to talk with him about it yet 19:10 chris Least we have the test to complain about missing ones now 19:10 cait he is hiding from me or something... *looks around* 19:10 cait yeah, but it will complain a lot today 19:10 cait hi sekjal :) 19:11 sekjal looks like I'll be reimplementing the opac privacy enhancement paul_p originally did last year 19:11 sekjal hi, cait 19:11 cait so is it ok if I do as I said? or do you see a problem? 19:11 cait sekjal++ 19:11 sekjal (I bring up opacprivacy because it involved a lot of edits to the sql files) 19:12 cait yeah, it's no fun at the moment - but I think we should maintain thefiles as long as there is no other solution 19:13 cait my work on 1997 ok with you sekjal? 19:13 chris 10 missing ones 19:13 chris So we should be able to fix them, and fix the languages 19:13 chris But now kahu has stolen my laptop to play gcompris 19:13 chris So I'm using the phone 19:13 cait I started looking on old bugs yesterday... lots of lost kittens 19:13 chris So no more patches for a little bit 19:14 sekjal cait: yes, please, rebase and signoff 19:14 cait sekjal: ok :) 19:14 sekjal I need to rebase that dev, anyway, and if we can get that part of high enough quality to add to Koha, it'll make my life that much simpler 19:14 cait chris: you could try to make a deal with him, maybe offer chocolate or something? 19:15 cait sekjal: now you are confusing me :) 19:15 sekjal cait: sorry 19:15 cait ah, happens a lot 19:15 cait but normally Brooke is around ;) 19:16 sekjal the dev I'm talking about is not quite publish-level. I'm going to do some cleanup, rebase it onto 3.2, and get it ready for submission 19:16 * sekjal 's goal is to get as much signed-off on and into Koha as possible before releasing it to clients 19:16 cait :) 19:17 cait yeah, we have a similar rule - trying to do no customizations 19:17 cait but we have no real development projects, so it's much easier 19:18 cait and bywater++ 19:18 chris If you rebase on master, that would be cool 19:19 chris chris_n cherry-picks from master 19:20 chris The longer we can do this the less chance we have of features sneaking into 3.2 and not master 19:20 chris Happened with 3.0 and is a mess to fix 19:20 cait yeah :( 19:20 cait like recent acquisitions 19:21 cait chris: ah, I saw that you are still the default assignee in bugzilla for I18N issues 19:21 cait chris: can you change it to fredericd? 19:21 cait I made the mistake to look at guided reports earlier today... 19:22 hudsonbot Project Koha_Master build #191: STILL UNSTABLE in 21 min: http://hudson.koha-community.org/job/Koha_Master/191/ 19:22 hudsonbot * Katrin Fischer: Add BSZ to Koha's About page 19:22 hudsonbot * f.demians at tamil.fr: Bug 5446 Item creation in Acquisition module doesn't control mandatory field 19:22 hudsonbot * Katrin Fischer: Bug 5467: Kits shown wrong as visual material in XSLT displays 19:22 hudsonbot * Owen Leonard: Fix for 4832 - Re-editing a suggestion changes the item type 19:22 chris Will do 19:23 chris Cait: I think we should remove all of guided reports 19:23 chris Except the sql bit 19:23 cait that's a solution too... 19:23 chris Its not actually useful 19:23 chris Brb getting atarau breakfast 19:24 chris But I might ask on list if ppl use it 19:24 chris I hate it and I wrote it initially (under protest I might add) 19:24 cait I think it has a lot of translation issues 19:24 cait can't say much about functionality 19:24 cait my libary asked about it. but I kind of refused to train them - because I have to figure it out myself first 19:25 cait not really refusing - but telling them that I have to look at it first 19:26 cait chris: why do you hate it? 19:27 chris Its reinventing the wheel in a bad way 19:28 chris There are tools for reporting against an sql db 19:28 chris That do a much better job 19:28 chris You can't create a good report without understanding the koha db anywya 19:29 chris So you may as well use the sql bit, or a better repprting tool 19:29 chris The guided one just allows to create really simple and mostly useless reports 19:36 cait hm, the bug report I closed earlier today seems to indicate people are using it - or at least trying to 19:37 chris Yep I think wed be better finding a good free software tool 19:37 chris And telling ppl to use it 19:38 chris They have stuff like compound reports and graphs etc 19:38 cait ah, wanted to ask you something else 19:38 chris Its a solved problem 19:38 chris Resolving it in koha seems like a waste of effort 19:38 cait bug 3080 reminded me of the missing reports in acq - the old links from the budget table 19:38 munin 04Bug http://bugs.koha-community.org/bugzilla3/show_bug.cgi?id=3080 enhancement, PATCH-Sent, ---, nahuel.angelinetti, ASSIGNED, "spent" of budget and funds doesn't work 19:39 chris Yes I want those back 19:39 chris They were very useful 19:39 cait chris: I think a short survey would be good - we are not using it and paul's sql parameters will help writing some more interactive reports 19:39 cait yeah 19:39 chris And on the main acq page too 19:39 cait lots of complaints at training about them missing 19:40 cait yeah, I meant those 19:46 sekjal okay, about time to check out of the hotel, and move on to other wifi pastures... 19:46 chris Cya 19:47 sekjal bye, chris and cait! hope to see you shortly.... but we'll see what's available 19:57 * cait is confused 19:58 cait fr-FR has no sql file for system preferences? 19:59 chris Really? 19:59 chris Well they don't need it now 19:59 cait ah, it's been renamed 19:59 chris Not with the new sysprefs editor 19:59 cait we donÄt need it for translations, but you need it for install 19:59 chris Everything should use the same sql for install 20:00 cait I agree 20:00 cait that would fix the mess we are in now 20:00 chris Only the frameworks need to be different 20:00 cait although it will cost us some small things 20:00 cait like the possibility to translate the defualt values for salutations and such 20:01 chris Right but I think that's better than inconsistent prefs 20:01 cait I agree 20:01 cait so the solution is to make the web installer always use the en file 20:02 chris For sysprefs at least 20:02 cait yes 20:02 cait perhaps for all sql files that are not in the folder and mandatory 20:03 cait but fr-FR has renamed files - that makes it a bit harder 20:04 chris Yeah not sure why they did that 20:15 cait ru-RU and Ukrainian too 20:15 cait wb sekjal :) 20:15 sekjal thanks 20:15 sekjal alright, so I'm in Reno, NV right now, in a casino, waiting for my wife's flight to arrive 20:16 sekjal no coffee shop to speak of, but one of the pubs has wifi 20:16 sekjal I assume that means it's socially acceptable to be on my laptop here 20:20 cait I would think so ;) 20:21 sekjal it means I'm going to staying for a while... I'd think they'd encourage that 20:26 cait sekjal: sent patches and updated bug 1997 20:26 munin 04Bug http://bugs.koha-community.org/bugzilla3/show_bug.cgi?id=1997 enhancement, PATCH-Sent, ---, nengard, NEW, sys pref to Edit no results found page 20:26 sekjal thanks, cait! 20:26 cait you are welcome :) 20:28 sekjal howdy, druthb! 20:28 cait second opinion about bug 3009 20:28 munin 04Bug http://bugs.koha-community.org/bugzilla3/show_bug.cgi?id=3009 normal, P3, ---, henridamien, NEW, Change items.content field so it prints due date by default 20:28 cait I think she is right - changing to due date ok? 20:30 druthb hi, sekjal and cait. :) 20:31 cait hi druthb :) 20:31 druthb ibot: sekjal? 20:31 ibot bugger all, i dunno, druthb 20:31 cait druthb? 20:31 ibot druthb is fond of cookies. 20:31 druthb sekjal is a wonderful geek. 20:31 druthb sekjal? 20:31 ibot sekjal is a wonderful geek. 20:31 sekjal awwww 20:31 cait chris? 20:31 ibot chris is, like, awesome 20:32 cait ibot botsnack chocolate 20:32 ibot thanks cait :) 20:32 * cait suddenly thinks about big bang theory 20:32 druthb ibot: druthb? 20:32 ibot somebody said druthb was way too chirpy for jwagner. 20:32 * druthb chuckles. 20:32 druthb ibot: botsnack cookie 20:32 ibot :) 20:33 cait we are spoiling him 20:33 cait ibot: ibot? 20:33 ibot i am still small - he needs to learn more :) 20:33 druthb no, ibot is really clever. 20:33 druthb ibot? 20:33 ibot druthb? 20:33 druthb lol 20:33 druthb ibot: ibot? 20:33 ibot rumour has it i am still small - he needs to learn more :) 20:33 druthb ibot: forget ibot 20:33 ibot druthb: I forgot ibot 20:34 cait you will send him into an identity crisis 20:34 druthb ibot: ibot is a clever being 20:34 ibot OK, druthb. 20:34 druthb ibot: chris? 20:34 ibot chris is awesome 20:34 druthb wizzyrea? 20:34 ibot wizzyrea is, like, a mom 20:34 druthb wizzyrea? 20:34 ibot rumour has it wizzyrea is a mom 20:34 druthb hm. 20:34 cait wizzyrea? 20:34 ibot wizzyrea is prone to laughing 20:34 druthb gmcharlt? 20:34 cait chris_n? 20:34 ibot chris_n is wright :-[ 20:34 cait jcamins? 20:34 ibot jcamins is supposed to be an outstanding cook. or well-traveled and brilliant. 20:35 druthb cait? 20:35 ibot i heard cait was really sweet. 20:35 cait hehe 20:35 druthb kf? 20:35 ibot well, kf is an excellent cook: she makes tasty königsberger klopse mit salzkartoffeln. 20:35 * druthb giggles 20:37 cait *sighs* 20:37 * cait threatens to stop the German lessons 20:37 druthb Leo will teach me. 20:37 cait pah 20:37 cait ok, then go and talk to Leo ... ;) 20:38 druthb awww... 20:39 cait due date, duedate or date due? 20:41 druthb Depends on where you are. 20:43 cait hmpf 20:43 cait I checked my borrower account and decided for date due 20:43 cait hm, no due date... 20:44 cait hmpf. 20:44 sekjal date_due for issues table 20:46 * druthb is merrily packaging the one christmas present she has purchased already.. 20:51 * cait ignores druthb 20:51 cait sekjal: the problem was updating the pod :) 20:51 sekjal ah 20:57 * sekjal is not a fan of VPNs 21:16 cait sekjal: do you know if bug 3068 is still a problem? 21:16 munin 04Bug http://bugs.koha-community.org/bugzilla3/show_bug.cgi?id=3068 minor, P5, ---, gmcharlt, NEW, Auth.pm: IP address matching overly generous 21:17 sekjal I wrote a patch for it a long time ago, but it was not accepted 21:17 sekjal it was my first, actually 21:17 sekjal there are two issues, really 21:17 sekjal one is sloppy regex 21:17 sekjal the other is the inability to have more than one IP range for a library 21:17 sekjal first is trivial to fix. second is a db update 21:18 cait hm, want to update the bug? ;) 21:19 sekjal I'll take care of it 21:25 cait thx :) 21:28 sekjal sorry I keep dropping out 21:33 cait I said: thx :) 21:38 cait hi Nate 21:38 Nate Hi cait! 21:39 sekjal hey, Nate 21:39 Nate hiya sekjal! 21:41 sekjal gots to love #koha on the weekend 22:03 cait weekends are very silent 22:54 brendan_l they sure are :) 22:54 brendan_l boo 23:00 * druthb jumps 23:00 * cait hides 23:01 * druthb runs and hides with cait 23:02 * sekjal counts to 50 23:06 cait lol 23:12 cait hm after midnight 23:17 * druthb wonders when cait is gonna pass out. 23:17 cait I am still here 23:18 sekjal lost my DNS resolution for now, but I still got IRC! 23:19 druthb yay! 23:19 sekjal sort of limits my ability browse the interwebs, though.... I seldom remember IPs 23:30 cait good night all :)