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00:51 sylvar Hey y'all... bulkmarcimport is giving me: ERROR: Adding items to bib 32951 failed: Undefined subroutine &MARC::Record::carp called at /usr/share/perl5/MARC/Record.pm line 565, <GEN13> line 10994.
00:51 sylvar I can't figure out why it doesn't have access to Carp, if MARC.pm uses it
00:51 robin sylvar: yes, that's a bug
00:52 sylvar d'ohh
00:52 robin in MARC::Record
00:52 sylvar Any sane workarounds, robin?
00:52 robin yeah, it's actually an indication of another problem
00:53 robin https://rt.cpan.org/Public/Bug/Display.html?id=62296 <-- here's the bug report
00:53 robin If it's where I was seeing it, then you have MARC records that are too big
00:54 robin probably things with piles of items
00:54 sylvar Indeed, but I want to import them anyway.
00:54 robin You can't
00:54 robin MARC doesn't allow it
00:54 sylvar Ah.
00:54 robin You _might_ be able to get away with using marcxml, but that may have more explosiuons further down the track.
00:55 sylvar This WAS marcxml. :)
00:55 robin I usually solve it by splitting up the items amongst a number of biblios, which isn't great.
00:55 robin oh right. Then you won't be able to get away with it by using that :)
00:56 sylvar OK. Perhaps I should just exclude such records for the moment; I don't suppose $marc->length() is defined without being documented? :)
00:57 robin I doubt it :)
00:57 sylvar Ah, well, length($marc->as_usmarc()) probably is. :)
00:57 robin It'll blow up before that point.
00:58 robin You'll want to run it in an eval to catch the erroring ones.
00:58 sylvar Hm. Thanks.
00:58 sylvar Time for me to give it a rest, though. Thanks again, robin!
00:59 robin no problem
01:05 robin anyone about who wants to test and sign off on a patch for me? It's an easy one to check.
01:09 darling robin, I can tonite
01:09 darling if it can wait that long
01:09 darling I need to get practise
01:09 robin darling: sure. It's attached to bug 5477, and I just sent it to the patches list.
01:09 munin 04Bug http://bugs.koha-community.org/bugzilla3/show_bug.cgi?id=5477 normal, P5, ---, robin, ASSIGNED, Test cases requiring database access fail
01:10 darling cool
01:10 robin it's basically turning 'make test' from not working to working.
01:11 darling I'm all about the testing now -- stephen wrote about a bagillion for wrms
01:11 darling and I'm liking that
01:11 robin cool
01:11 darling plus it's all in python instead of stinky old perl
01:12 robin that sounds pretty terrible then
01:13 darling http://www.flickr.com/photos/reedwade/2179082035/
01:14 darling this was before I'd hear of the beige brigade
01:14 robin heh. The last line looks like someone edited it, wrongly.
01:15 darling i think that one was from shiny
01:16 robin what would she know anyway?
01:16 darling just some things
01:16 darling n stuff
01:17 robin see, practically nothing!
01:28 robin darling: if you well like an even easier patch, I've sent another one for ug 5479
01:28 robin err
01:28 robin bug 5479
01:28 munin 04Bug http://bugs.koha-community.org/bugzilla3/show_bug.cgi?id=5479 enhancement, PATCH-Sent, ---, robin, ASSIGNED, Update packaging scripts to account for the new version number
01:47 darling robin, ok, will add that to my list
01:47 robin sweet :)
02:33 ebegin Anybody know what
02:33 ebegin Encumbrance
02:33 ebegin Expenditure are in the fund (acquisition)?
02:34 wasabi ebegin: not me.. added recently by BL?
02:35 ebegin Yeah, I think so. But I don't think that any of the biblibrers are online...
02:35 * robin has updated the squeeze-dev packages to master, and is currently building the 3.2.1 packages, in case anyone is interested.
03:12 ebegin Hey, is there a way to disable the check for duplicates when saving a new bib?
03:12 ebegin (it seems to have a probleme when koha detects a duplicate and we ask to create a new one)...
03:49 kmkale good morning
04:19 cait good morning #koha
04:32 kmkale hi cait
04:32 cait morning kmkale
04:37 cait @wunder Konstanz
04:37 munin cait: The current temperature in Taegerwilen, Taegerwilen, Germany is -0.3�C (5:35 AM CET on December 09, 2010). Conditions: Snow. Humidity: 96%. Dew Point: -1.0�C. Windchill: 0.0�C. Pressure: 30.08 in 1018.5 hPa (Rising).
05:54 kmkale bbl
07:48 magnus ata marie, #koha
07:48 magnus yay! http://library-matters.blogspot.com/2010/12/te-takere-plans-get-green-light.html
08:26 magnus hiya jransom!
08:26 jransom magnus :D
08:26 magnus yay!
08:27 jransom did you see our news: http://library-matters.blogspot.com/2010/12/te-takere-plans-get-green-light.html
08:27 magnus congrats on getting the go ahead on Te Takere!
08:27 jransom it was a very, very big deal
08:27 magnus yup! ;-)
08:28 jransom so I've 1 week of work then 3 weeks holiday then right into it: planning and fundraising
08:28 magnus sounds like you will get to do quite a bit of fundraising?
08:28 jransom yes ... sigh
08:29 jransom but the community is right behind us
08:29 magnus probably good to have a bit of holiday first
08:29 magnus cool
08:29 jransom and i have been given a marketing company's help to prepare marketing / fundraising campaign materials,
08:29 magnus nice
08:30 jransom essential
08:30 jransom we canwill launch the paypal / social media campaign in March
08:30 jransom ick
08:30 jransom hit enter by mistake
08:30 magnus :-)
08:31 jransom can't start formal / big fundraising until formal consultation period has finished .. so march (hence why I can have a holiday)
08:31 magnus ah
08:31 magnus good for you
08:32 magnus but you proabably will not be able to not think about it for 3 weeks?
08:32 magnus (weird sentence...)
08:32 jransom i get it though ( i must be equally weird :)
08:33 magnus :-)
08:33 ivanc sole0308
08:33 magnus jransom: but you still accept paypal donations, even before march?
08:33 ivanc hi #koha
08:33 magnus hi ivanc
08:34 ivanc sorry wrong chat :)
08:34 ivanc hi magnus
09:49 slef robin: background task handling? I've forgotten about that, if I ever knew it.
10:08 kf hi #koha
10:25 magnus hiya kf
10:28 kf hi magnus :)
10:54 dagentoob Hi... I am having some database trouble... here is the error [Thu Dec 09 11:53:24 2010] [error] [client 192.168.42.102] [Thu Dec 9 11:53:24 2010] mainpage.pl: DBD::mysql::st execute failed: Cannot add or update a child row: a foreign key constraint fails (`koha`.`borrowers`, CONSTRAINT `borrowers_ibfk_1` FOREIGN KEY (`categorycode`) REFERENCES `categories` (
10:54 dagentoob I have been trying to get this to work
10:55 dagentoob users that are already in there work fine
10:55 dagentoob but new users aren't getting added for some reason
10:56 kf are your categories ok?
10:56 kf it looks like it has a problem witht he categorycode
10:56 dagentoob ok where does that come from?
10:56 kf administration > borrower categories
10:57 kf ok, lunch time here
10:57 kf will be back later
10:58 dagentoob k
11:47 kf @later tell kmkale signed-off on your patch
11:47 munin kf: The operation succeeded.
11:47 kmkale hehe kf I caught that
11:47 kmkale just logged in the ick of time :)
11:47 kmkale thanks a lot
11:49 kmkale kf++
11:53 kmkale @weather Mumbai
11:53 munin kmkale: The current temperature in Mumbai, India is 28.0�C (4:40 PM IST on December 09, 2010). Conditions: Smoke. Humidity: 62%. Dew Point: 20.0�C. Pressure: 29.71 in 1006 hPa (Steady).
11:55 kf you are welcome :)
11:55 * magnus waves at druthb
11:55 druthb hi, magnus and kf! :)
11:55 kf hi druthb :)
11:57 druthb My cat has decided that he likes having his chief slave at home all the time, I think.
11:58 magnus no surprise there... ;-)
11:59 kmkale hi druthb & magnus
12:00 magnus hiya kmkale
12:00 druthb hi, kmkale. :)
12:01 druthb magnus: yah, he had that before, when I worked for LL when I was still in TX. He's not too demanding, really, just hops up in my lap--all 9 kg of him--and demands some stroking.
12:01 magnus hehe, the original laptop!
12:04 kf hehe
12:07 kmkale where can I find md5 sum of http://download.koha-community.org/koha-3.02.01.tar.gz
12:08 kmkale I downloaded it twice and still getting error while untarring
12:08 kf kmkale: perhaps at koha-community.org - I think I saw a blog post there
12:10 kmkale thanks kf http://download.koha-community.org/koha-3.02.01.tar.gz.MD5
12:10 kf :)
12:51 * druthb waves to jwagner.
12:51 * jwagner flaps a feeble hand in return
12:52 kf Colin++
12:52 kf hi jwagner
12:52 jwagner hi kf
12:59 magnus kia ora, usa'ians
12:59 jwagner kia ora, magnus
12:59 magnus hiya jwagner
13:27 owen So hey, #koha.
13:28 kf hi owen :)
13:29 kf owen: the tabs looked nice
13:29 owen Thanks, it was mostly default jQueryUI styling
13:29 owen I'm open to suggestions if people want them to look especially Koha-ish.
13:32 kf hm
13:32 kf not sure we have a koha-ish look yet
13:33 kf or we have... never thought about it
13:34 owen I'm not fond of the default jQueryUI tab style with the colored background behind the tabs: http://jqueryui.com/demos/tabs/
13:34 owen So the changes I made were to eliminate that aspect.
13:36 kmkale owen do you have a working demo?
13:37 kf owen: yeah, I like it without much better :)
13:37 owen kmkale: Not yet. All I had changed were the tabs anyway
13:37 owen http://screencast.com/t/dpDZM1VOipxm
13:39 magnus pretty!
13:40 owen jQueryUI has a new utility for positioning elements, but I can't seem to get it working. We'll need it for recreating YUI menus.
13:40 kmkale i agree with kf. without the background looks better
14:30 jcamins Good morning, #koha
14:33 druthb hi, jcamins! :)
14:37 kf hi jcamins :)
14:43 kmkale bye all good night
15:04 sylvar When bulkmarcimport says "invalid homebranch", what 952 subfield is it looking at? I'm guessing $a or $b, but it's not clear to me from looking at the list of holdings subfields.
15:05 sekjal sylvar: homebranch is $a, as I recall.
15:05 sylvar thanks sekjal, I'll double-check that field then.
15:07 sylvar Oho, so it is! Thanks.
15:14 sekjal :)
15:16 kf slef: your program does strange things - it listed the pull request for 5397 8 times
15:17 kf ok, time to go - see you all later :)
15:19 slef kf: hrm, I'll look into that.
15:20 slef @later tell kf where? It only seems to be once in http://bugs.koha-community.org/bugzilla3/show_bug.cgi?id=5397
15:20 munin slef: The operation succeeded.
15:20 munin 04Bug 5397: normal, PATCH-Sent, ---, gmcharlt, ASSIGNED, number of renewals not displayed consistently
15:22 slef @later kf oic you mean bug 5379 - and it's just that there was a thread with a bad subject line of "Pull Request". No bug for me! :-)
15:22 munin slef: Error: The "Later" plugin is loaded, but there is no command named "kf" in it. Try "list Later" to see the commands in the "Later" plugin.
15:22 slef @later tell kf oic you mean bug 5379 - and it's just that there was a thread with a bad subject line of "Pull Request". No bug for me! :-)
15:22 munin slef: The operation succeeded.
16:23 sylvar Is bulkmarcimport.pl supposed to actually do anything with the option "-v 2"? I don't see a whole lot of use for $verbose in the code...
16:26 slef sylvar: I think it prints dots and numbers? But that might be a local enhancement we did.
16:26 sylvar According to the built-in help, Verbose mode. 1 means "some infos", 2 means "MARC dumping"
16:26 sylvar and I'm trying to figure out what's actually going on with the bibs that aren't getting loaded.
16:43 slef sylvar: ah, I've not noticed MARC dumping before.
16:45 slef sylvar: I submitted a patch a while ago that displays the errors with records that aren't getting loaded. Want me to find it? Are you OK applying patches?
16:47 slef hrm, bug 4125 means the help is probably wrong
16:47 munin 04Bug http://bugs.koha-community.org/bugzilla3/show_bug.cgi?id=4125 enhancement, P5, ---, gmcharlt, NEW, Bulkmarcimport.pl script has changed a lot without beeing documented
16:47 slef I'll be back in an hour or so and will look again then
16:52 sylvar Not a big priority for me right now, but I'd be happy to test a different version of bulkmarcimport.pl that does report why each unloadable bib wasn't loaded (including encoding errors).
17:25 Brooke @quote get 102
17:25 munin Brooke: Quote #102: "<druthb> harrrumph!" (added by gmcharlt at 07:42 PM, November 11, 2010)
17:26 * druthb giggles.
17:26 Brooke we needs change the MOTD so I can remember the next silly meeting
17:26 * Brooke waves at Cait
17:26 cait hi brooke :)
17:27 cait hi all
17:32 cait hi imp :)
17:46 * Brooke waves at Magnus
17:47 cait hi magnus
17:50 * Brooke smiles at nengard.
17:51 * magnus waves at Brooke and cait and nengard and #koha
17:51 * cait waves at nengard
17:52 cait slef: it was 8 links in the mail I got from bugzilla - strange!
17:53 cait slef: should read the whole log first...
18:03 Brooke @roulette
18:03 munin Brooke: *click*
18:05 * Brooke waves at cyrixbmx
18:05 sylvar ok, I've got biblio and items records loaded, and I've run rebuild_zebra.pl -r -b -x, but I'm not seeing anything when I search the catalog by keyword. What am I most likely to have messed up?
18:06 cyrixbmx How I can translate in french the table "marc_tag_structure" and the table "marc_subfield_structure" in Koha?
18:07 cait sylcar: is your zebrasrv running?
18:07 sylvar ah, good question, I'll check :)
18:07 cait cyrixbmx: you want to translate the marc21 descriptions?
18:07 cyrixbmx yes cait
18:08 Brooke hmmm
18:08 cait you can translate the sql files and reload them into koha
18:08 Brooke would seem better to translate UNIMARC...
18:08 cait UNIMARC is translated I think
18:09 cait cyrixbmx: you also do it in koha itself - by editing the marc bibliographic frameworks
18:09 cyrixbmx but where i can find a sql file to trlanste marc in db?
18:10 cait installer/data/mysql/ then fr-FR and if there are no files for marc21 you can copy the files from en
18:10 cait cyrixbmx: where are you located?
18:11 Brooke quebec
18:11 cyrixbmx quebec
18:11 Brooke by ip at least.
18:11 Brooke which sheds light on the whole MARC21 over UNIMARC issue. ;)
18:11 cait cyrixbmx: I think working with the files is probably easier for translation than in koha - a bit faster
18:12 cait but you have to load them into koha once you are done
18:12 cyrixbmx which file?
18:12 cait using mysql on command line or a gui tool for mysql
18:13 cait in mandatory is thefile for the default framework - not sure how that is called in french
18:13 nengard hi all - wasn't ignoring you - was just getting everything opened up and running
18:13 cyrixbmx yes but I can not find a sql file with the translation
18:14 cyrixbmx there is 3000 field to translate
18:14 cyrixbmx maybe 1000
18:15 sylvar cait: that was it, thanks :)
18:17 slef cait: 8 links, all different.
18:17 slef bbl
18:19 Brooke cheers
18:24 cait slef: I will check again - sorry to bother you
18:25 cait cyrixbmx: if the fr-FR directory doesn't contain translated files for marc21 there is no translation yet
18:25 Brooke cyrix
18:25 cait I did it for German - translated the files. incredibly boring cut and paste from the german translation
18:25 cyrixbmx no there is no translation :(
18:26 Brooke someone at McGill might have what you need
18:26 Brooke hang on a sec, k?
18:26 Brooke try olivier.speciel at mail.mcgill.ca
18:26 cyrixbmx ok thanks :)
18:27 Brooke thank me if it's helpful ;)
18:31 cait if you find translated files somewhere ... make them part of koha :)
18:32 fredericd cyrixbmx: I confirm. There is no MARC21 framework in French. We have French libraries with MARC21 catalog. The interface is in French but the MARC21 framework stay in English...
18:32 cyrixbmx ok thanks fredericd. I have a lot job :)
18:35 Brooke there a quicker way to manage with a script and the existing UNIMARC fields?
18:48 cait brooke: I think unimarc is too different as a base for marc21
18:48 magnus hiya trea and collum
18:49 magnus there be monsters...
18:49 trea well hi there
18:49 ibot what's up, trea
18:49 cait magnus: monsters?
18:52 magnus using unimarc as a basis for translating marc21 sounds like a recipe for madness ;-)
18:52 cait ah
19:11 hdl @later tell owen have you seen http://code.google.com/intl/fr/speed/page-speed/download.html I could be worth a try
19:11 munin hdl: The operation succeeded.
19:12 * owen is here
19:13 hdl sorry... it was just to mention that apache module i just ran into...
19:14 hdl maybe you know it... or don't... But I think it could be interesting.
19:14 owen No, I hadn't see it before
19:15 hdl slef: those Items branches have been there for a while and announced on list.
19:25 magnus hm, anyone seen this before: i installed a new language and enabled it for the opac, but when i click on it ("Svenska"), nothing seems to happen, but advanced search shows the translation http://munkagard.bibkat.no/
19:25 magnus i go back to the front page and that is not translated
19:31 hdl could it be that your navigator is configured for another language ?
19:32 magnus hdl: maybe...
19:34 cait still should respect your setting
19:34 cait is the translation file complete?
19:37 magnus hdl: i changed the settings in firefox and that didn't change anything. and the swedish client reported the same problem
19:37 magnus cait: it should be...
19:37 cait you could check the po file for one of the words from the start page
19:37 cait but it really seems strange
19:46 magnus hm, enabled norwegian too, and that works fine - it's probably the po, then
20:04 magnus hiya jransom
20:05 cait hi jo :)
20:07 jransom hey babe :)
20:07 jransom waves at Magnus too ... although i call men and women 'babe' indiscriminately
20:08 magnus good to hear ;-)
20:08 cait :)
20:08 cait read your big news - exciting
20:08 jransom so it looks pretty cold on that side of the world
20:08 jransom huuugggeeeee news Cait - and in a rec ession to
20:08 jransom the submissions brought tears to my eyes - such wonderful community support
20:09 cait @wunder Konstanz
20:09 munin cait: The current temperature in Konstanz, Germany is -1.0�C (9:00 PM CET on December 09, 2010). Conditions: Overcast. Humidity: 75%. Dew Point: -3.0�C. Pressure: 30.45 in 1031 hPa (Rising).
20:10 cait the plans and functions sound great
20:10 cait hope you will be able to raise the funds soon
20:10 magnus yeah all the functions in one building sounds really cool
20:13 jransom its going to be a very siginificant thing for our district and we are so small and with so few resources that it makes enormous sense to do this.
20:13 jransom quite new, quite exciting and quite challenging
20:13 magnus that's the spirit!
20:14 cait if someone can do it it's you :)
20:18 magnus true!
20:19 jransom such faith
20:19 cait yes :)
20:19 jransom i get all shaky sometimes and wonder what the hell have i let myself in for but then i start breathing again and remember its not all on me, I am part of a team of 7 - and its a great team
20:20 trea hi jransom
20:20 jransom and i also remeber when i first told Muaupoko about it and asked them to be involved they sais 'if the kaupapa is good the money with come" and i have hung on to that (kaupapa is the work / mission / concept)
20:20 jransom hiya Liz
20:20 jransom thatacher?
20:21 trea it's thatcher
20:21 jransom :)
20:21 jransom I got there slowly
20:21 jransom and 007 arrives as well :)
20:22 cait hehe
20:22 magnus hehe, that pic is really cool!
20:23 * cait feels sleepy
20:25 magnus stupid n00b question: i need to check the top of the output from the translate-script, but i can't roll that far back. any clever tricks? redirecting to a file with > or |'ing to more does not work
20:27 cait I don't unerstand your question
20:27 magnus i run the translate script and it produces a *lot* of output really fast
20:28 magnus i can scroll back quite a bit, but not to the beginning
20:28 cait ah
20:28 magnus and i'd like to see if there are any error messages at the top/beginning of the output
20:28 cait you can get it into a file
20:28 cait slef showed me how to it once
20:29 magnus i tried "translate... > file.txt", but that only gave a little blit of the output
20:30 cait yah, you need the other thing
20:30 cait ...
20:30 * cait goes to search her wiki
20:30 fredericd magnus: you need to redirect also the error output
20:30 rhcl_away I forget the exact syntax, but it's something like "&2 >"
20:30 fredericd translate ... 2>&1 >file.txt
20:30 magnus ah, i've seen that, cool
20:31 cait >outputfile.txt 2>&1
20:31 cait my wiki says :)
20:31 cait oh, now fredericd was faster
20:37 magnus "perl translate install sv-SE > ~/munkagard-oversettelse.txt 2>&1" did the trick - thanks folks, you're the best!
20:38 cait :)
20:39 owen I just added a bug report for the YUI to jUI transition if anyone is interested in commenting: Bug 5481
20:39 munin 04Bug http://bugs.koha-community.org/bugzilla3/show_bug.cgi?id=5481 enhancement, P5, ---, oleonard, NEW, Replace YUI JS libraries with Jquery UI
20:44 * Brooke waves at Brendan
20:44 * druthb waves at Brendan, too.
20:46 cait hi brendan
20:48 jransom waves too
20:49 brendan heya :)
20:50 magnus if anyone who knows more about translations than me could have a quick look at this and see if they spot any obvious errors i'd be really grateful. http://koha.pastebin.com/ZLGmvzEk
20:51 cait the fuzzys
20:51 cait you have to get rid of them
20:51 cait via pootle or whatever - fuzzys will not get translated
20:52 magnus cool, thanks
20:52 magnus would that stop whole templates from being translated?
20:53 cait happens when a template gets changed
20:53 cait hm I think no
20:53 cait only the fuzzy terms
20:53 cait I looked at one this morning "place a hold on" is english for us, thought it was a template problem, but it seems it was the fuzzy
20:54 magnus hm, thing is, there are some templates missing from the translation, including opac-main.tmpl - that would explain the missing translation of the front page
20:55 cait hm
20:55 cait not good
20:55 cait do they show up in po when you do a translate update ...?
21:06 magnus hm, i found an error where <a1> was replaced with <a2>, let's see if that was it...
21:09 magnus yup, looks like that did the trick! got the right number of templates and the front page looks good
21:10 magnus woohoo
21:12 cait yay!
21:12 cait magnus++
21:20 magnus and with that i bid y'all a very good night!
21:20 * Brooke waves bye to magnus and hi to hdl
21:20 cait night magnus
21:20 hdl night magnus
21:25 cait time for me too - good night all!
21:25 Brooke night!
21:54 * Brooke notes that cats are not quite as helpful as they'd lead you to believe.
21:55 druthb Mine is very good at reminding me of my place on the food chain.
21:56 jcamins Mine is very helpful.
21:56 jcamins He has reminded me that there are things more important than writing papers.
21:56 jcamins Like petting him.
21:56 sekjal g'night, #koha!
21:57 Brooke that is precisely what Socks is about.
21:58 druthb My Captain Midnight is good at that, too.
22:01 Brooke Oooh. Time for Hardball already.
22:19 chris hello
22:20 Brooke evening, sir.
22:38 * Brooke waves at hdl
22:38 hdl hi Brooke
22:39 Brooke ca va?
22:39 hdl back an forth from an unfriendly vpn.
22:39 Brooke :(
23:50 chris darling++
23:53 darling howdy
23:53 ibot niihau, darling