Time Nick Message 00:51 sylvar Hey y'all... bulkmarcimport is giving me: ERROR: Adding items to bib 32951 failed: Undefined subroutine &MARC::Record::carp called at /usr/share/perl5/MARC/Record.pm line 565, <GEN13> line 10994. 00:51 sylvar I can't figure out why it doesn't have access to Carp, if MARC.pm uses it 00:51 robin sylvar: yes, that's a bug 00:52 sylvar d'ohh 00:52 robin in MARC::Record 00:52 sylvar Any sane workarounds, robin? 00:52 robin yeah, it's actually an indication of another problem 00:53 robin https://rt.cpan.org/Public/Bug/Display.html?id=62296 <-- here's the bug report 00:53 robin If it's where I was seeing it, then you have MARC records that are too big 00:54 robin probably things with piles of items 00:54 sylvar Indeed, but I want to import them anyway. 00:54 robin You can't 00:54 robin MARC doesn't allow it 00:54 sylvar Ah. 00:54 robin You _might_ be able to get away with using marcxml, but that may have more explosiuons further down the track. 00:55 sylvar This WAS marcxml. :) 00:55 robin I usually solve it by splitting up the items amongst a number of biblios, which isn't great. 00:55 robin oh right. Then you won't be able to get away with it by using that :) 00:56 sylvar OK. Perhaps I should just exclude such records for the moment; I don't suppose $marc->length() is defined without being documented? :) 00:57 robin I doubt it :) 00:57 sylvar Ah, well, length($marc->as_usmarc()) probably is. :) 00:57 robin It'll blow up before that point. 00:58 robin You'll want to run it in an eval to catch the erroring ones. 00:58 sylvar Hm. Thanks. 00:58 sylvar Time for me to give it a rest, though. Thanks again, robin! 00:59 robin no problem 01:05 robin anyone about who wants to test and sign off on a patch for me? It's an easy one to check. 01:09 darling robin, I can tonite 01:09 darling if it can wait that long 01:09 darling I need to get practise 01:09 robin darling: sure. It's attached to bug 5477, and I just sent it to the patches list. 01:09 munin 04Bug http://bugs.koha-community.org/bugzilla3/show_bug.cgi?id=5477 normal, P5, ---, robin, ASSIGNED, Test cases requiring database access fail 01:10 darling cool 01:10 robin it's basically turning 'make test' from not working to working. 01:11 darling I'm all about the testing now -- stephen wrote about a bagillion for wrms 01:11 darling and I'm liking that 01:11 robin cool 01:11 darling plus it's all in python instead of stinky old perl 01:12 robin that sounds pretty terrible then 01:13 darling http://www.flickr.com/photos/reedwade/2179082035/ 01:14 darling this was before I'd hear of the beige brigade 01:14 robin heh. The last line looks like someone edited it, wrongly. 01:15 darling i think that one was from shiny 01:16 robin what would she know anyway? 01:16 darling just some things 01:16 darling n stuff 01:17 robin see, practically nothing! 01:28 robin darling: if you well like an even easier patch, I've sent another one for ug 5479 01:28 robin err 01:28 robin bug 5479 01:28 munin 04Bug http://bugs.koha-community.org/bugzilla3/show_bug.cgi?id=5479 enhancement, PATCH-Sent, ---, robin, ASSIGNED, Update packaging scripts to account for the new version number 01:47 darling robin, ok, will add that to my list 01:47 robin sweet :) 02:33 ebegin Anybody know what 02:33 ebegin Encumbrance 02:33 ebegin Expenditure are in the fund (acquisition)? 02:34 wasabi ebegin: not me.. added recently by BL? 02:35 ebegin Yeah, I think so. But I don't think that any of the biblibrers are online... 02:35 * robin has updated the squeeze-dev packages to master, and is currently building the 3.2.1 packages, in case anyone is interested. 03:12 ebegin Hey, is there a way to disable the check for duplicates when saving a new bib? 03:12 ebegin (it seems to have a probleme when koha detects a duplicate and we ask to create a new one)... 03:49 kmkale good morning 04:19 cait good morning #koha 04:32 kmkale hi cait 04:32 cait morning kmkale 04:37 cait @wunder Konstanz 04:37 munin cait: The current temperature in Taegerwilen, Taegerwilen, Germany is -0.3�C (5:35 AM CET on December 09, 2010). Conditions: Snow. Humidity: 96%. Dew Point: -1.0�C. Windchill: 0.0�C. Pressure: 30.08 in 1018.5 hPa (Rising). 05:54 kmkale bbl 07:48 magnus ata marie, #koha 07:48 magnus yay! http://library-matters.blogspot.com/2010/12/te-takere-plans-get-green-light.html 08:26 magnus hiya jransom! 08:26 jransom magnus :D 08:26 magnus yay! 08:27 jransom did you see our news: http://library-matters.blogspot.com/2010/12/te-takere-plans-get-green-light.html 08:27 magnus congrats on getting the go ahead on Te Takere! 08:27 jransom it was a very, very big deal 08:27 magnus yup! ;-) 08:28 jransom so I've 1 week of work then 3 weeks holiday then right into it: planning and fundraising 08:28 magnus sounds like you will get to do quite a bit of fundraising? 08:28 jransom yes ... sigh 08:29 jransom but the community is right behind us 08:29 magnus probably good to have a bit of holiday first 08:29 magnus cool 08:29 jransom and i have been given a marketing company's help to prepare marketing / fundraising campaign materials, 08:29 magnus nice 08:30 jransom essential 08:30 jransom we canwill launch the paypal / social media campaign in March 08:30 jransom ick 08:30 jransom hit enter by mistake 08:30 magnus :-) 08:31 jransom can't start formal / big fundraising until formal consultation period has finished .. so march (hence why I can have a holiday) 08:31 magnus ah 08:31 magnus good for you 08:32 magnus but you proabably will not be able to not think about it for 3 weeks? 08:32 magnus (weird sentence...) 08:32 jransom i get it though ( i must be equally weird :) 08:33 magnus :-) 08:33 ivanc sole0308 08:33 magnus jransom: but you still accept paypal donations, even before march? 08:33 ivanc hi #koha 08:33 magnus hi ivanc 08:34 ivanc sorry wrong chat :) 08:34 ivanc hi magnus 09:49 slef robin: background task handling? I've forgotten about that, if I ever knew it. 10:08 kf hi #koha 10:25 magnus hiya kf 10:28 kf hi magnus :) 10:54 dagentoob Hi... I am having some database trouble... here is the error [Thu Dec 09 11:53:24 2010] [error] [client 192.168.42.102] [Thu Dec 9 11:53:24 2010] mainpage.pl: DBD::mysql::st execute failed: Cannot add or update a child row: a foreign key constraint fails (`koha`.`borrowers`, CONSTRAINT `borrowers_ibfk_1` FOREIGN KEY (`categorycode`) REFERENCES `categories` ( 10:54 dagentoob I have been trying to get this to work 10:55 dagentoob users that are already in there work fine 10:55 dagentoob but new users aren't getting added for some reason 10:56 kf are your categories ok? 10:56 kf it looks like it has a problem witht he categorycode 10:56 dagentoob ok where does that come from? 10:56 kf administration > borrower categories 10:57 kf ok, lunch time here 10:57 kf will be back later 10:58 dagentoob k 11:47 kf @later tell kmkale signed-off on your patch 11:47 munin kf: The operation succeeded. 11:47 kmkale hehe kf I caught that 11:47 kmkale just logged in the ick of time :) 11:47 kmkale thanks a lot 11:49 kmkale kf++ 11:53 kmkale @weather Mumbai 11:53 munin kmkale: The current temperature in Mumbai, India is 28.0�C (4:40 PM IST on December 09, 2010). Conditions: Smoke. Humidity: 62%. Dew Point: 20.0�C. Pressure: 29.71 in 1006 hPa (Steady). 11:55 kf you are welcome :) 11:55 * magnus waves at druthb 11:55 druthb hi, magnus and kf! :) 11:55 kf hi druthb :) 11:57 druthb My cat has decided that he likes having his chief slave at home all the time, I think. 11:58 magnus no surprise there... ;-) 11:59 kmkale hi druthb & magnus 12:00 magnus hiya kmkale 12:00 druthb hi, kmkale. :) 12:01 druthb magnus: yah, he had that before, when I worked for LL when I was still in TX. He's not too demanding, really, just hops up in my lap--all 9 kg of him--and demands some stroking. 12:01 magnus hehe, the original laptop! 12:04 kf hehe 12:07 kmkale where can I find md5 sum of http://download.koha-community.org/koha-3.02.01.tar.gz 12:08 kmkale I downloaded it twice and still getting error while untarring 12:08 kf kmkale: perhaps at koha-community.org - I think I saw a blog post there 12:10 kmkale thanks kf http://download.koha-community.org/koha-3.02.01.tar.gz.MD5 12:10 kf :) 12:51 * druthb waves to jwagner. 12:51 * jwagner flaps a feeble hand in return 12:52 kf Colin++ 12:52 kf hi jwagner 12:52 jwagner hi kf 12:59 magnus kia ora, usa'ians 12:59 jwagner kia ora, magnus 12:59 magnus hiya jwagner 13:27 owen So hey, #koha. 13:28 kf hi owen :) 13:29 kf owen: the tabs looked nice 13:29 owen Thanks, it was mostly default jQueryUI styling 13:29 owen I'm open to suggestions if people want them to look especially Koha-ish. 13:32 kf hm 13:32 kf not sure we have a koha-ish look yet 13:33 kf or we have... never thought about it 13:34 owen I'm not fond of the default jQueryUI tab style with the colored background behind the tabs: http://jqueryui.com/demos/tabs/ 13:34 owen So the changes I made were to eliminate that aspect. 13:36 kmkale owen do you have a working demo? 13:37 kf owen: yeah, I like it without much better :) 13:37 owen kmkale: Not yet. All I had changed were the tabs anyway 13:37 owen http://screencast.com/t/dpDZM1VOipxm 13:39 magnus pretty! 13:40 owen jQueryUI has a new utility for positioning elements, but I can't seem to get it working. We'll need it for recreating YUI menus. 13:40 kmkale i agree with kf. without the background looks better 14:30 jcamins Good morning, #koha 14:33 druthb hi, jcamins! :) 14:37 kf hi jcamins :) 14:43 kmkale bye all good night 15:04 sylvar When bulkmarcimport says "invalid homebranch", what 952 subfield is it looking at? I'm guessing $a or $b, but it's not clear to me from looking at the list of holdings subfields. 15:05 sekjal sylvar: homebranch is $a, as I recall. 15:05 sylvar thanks sekjal, I'll double-check that field then. 15:07 sylvar Oho, so it is! Thanks. 15:14 sekjal :) 15:16 kf slef: your program does strange things - it listed the pull request for 5397 8 times 15:17 kf ok, time to go - see you all later :) 15:19 slef kf: hrm, I'll look into that. 15:20 slef @later tell kf where? It only seems to be once in http://bugs.koha-community.org/bugzilla3/show_bug.cgi?id=5397 15:20 munin slef: The operation succeeded. 15:20 munin 04Bug 5397: normal, PATCH-Sent, ---, gmcharlt, ASSIGNED, number of renewals not displayed consistently 15:22 slef @later kf oic you mean bug 5379 - and it's just that there was a thread with a bad subject line of "Pull Request". No bug for me! :-) 15:22 munin slef: Error: The "Later" plugin is loaded, but there is no command named "kf" in it. Try "list Later" to see the commands in the "Later" plugin. 15:22 slef @later tell kf oic you mean bug 5379 - and it's just that there was a thread with a bad subject line of "Pull Request". No bug for me! :-) 15:22 munin slef: The operation succeeded. 16:23 sylvar Is bulkmarcimport.pl supposed to actually do anything with the option "-v 2"? I don't see a whole lot of use for $verbose in the code... 16:26 slef sylvar: I think it prints dots and numbers? But that might be a local enhancement we did. 16:26 sylvar According to the built-in help, Verbose mode. 1 means "some infos", 2 means "MARC dumping" 16:26 sylvar and I'm trying to figure out what's actually going on with the bibs that aren't getting loaded. 16:43 slef sylvar: ah, I've not noticed MARC dumping before. 16:45 slef sylvar: I submitted a patch a while ago that displays the errors with records that aren't getting loaded. Want me to find it? Are you OK applying patches? 16:47 slef hrm, bug 4125 means the help is probably wrong 16:47 munin 04Bug http://bugs.koha-community.org/bugzilla3/show_bug.cgi?id=4125 enhancement, P5, ---, gmcharlt, NEW, Bulkmarcimport.pl script has changed a lot without beeing documented 16:47 slef I'll be back in an hour or so and will look again then 16:52 sylvar Not a big priority for me right now, but I'd be happy to test a different version of bulkmarcimport.pl that does report why each unloadable bib wasn't loaded (including encoding errors). 17:25 Brooke @quote get 102 17:25 munin Brooke: Quote #102: "<druthb> harrrumph!" (added by gmcharlt at 07:42 PM, November 11, 2010) 17:26 * druthb giggles. 17:26 Brooke we needs change the MOTD so I can remember the next silly meeting 17:26 * Brooke waves at Cait 17:26 cait hi brooke :) 17:27 cait hi all 17:32 cait hi imp :) 17:46 * Brooke waves at Magnus 17:47 cait hi magnus 17:50 * Brooke smiles at nengard. 17:51 * magnus waves at Brooke and cait and nengard and #koha 17:51 * cait waves at nengard 17:52 cait slef: it was 8 links in the mail I got from bugzilla - strange! 17:53 cait slef: should read the whole log first... 18:03 Brooke @roulette 18:03 munin Brooke: *click* 18:05 * Brooke waves at cyrixbmx 18:05 sylvar ok, I've got biblio and items records loaded, and I've run rebuild_zebra.pl -r -b -x, but I'm not seeing anything when I search the catalog by keyword. What am I most likely to have messed up? 18:06 cyrixbmx How I can translate in french the table "marc_tag_structure" and the table "marc_subfield_structure" in Koha? 18:07 cait sylcar: is your zebrasrv running? 18:07 sylvar ah, good question, I'll check :) 18:07 cait cyrixbmx: you want to translate the marc21 descriptions? 18:07 cyrixbmx yes cait 18:08 Brooke hmmm 18:08 cait you can translate the sql files and reload them into koha 18:08 Brooke would seem better to translate UNIMARC... 18:08 cait UNIMARC is translated I think 18:09 cait cyrixbmx: you also do it in koha itself - by editing the marc bibliographic frameworks 18:09 cyrixbmx but where i can find a sql file to trlanste marc in db? 18:10 cait installer/data/mysql/ then fr-FR and if there are no files for marc21 you can copy the files from en 18:10 cait cyrixbmx: where are you located? 18:11 Brooke quebec 18:11 cyrixbmx quebec 18:11 Brooke by ip at least. 18:11 Brooke which sheds light on the whole MARC21 over UNIMARC issue. ;) 18:11 cait cyrixbmx: I think working with the files is probably easier for translation than in koha - a bit faster 18:12 cait but you have to load them into koha once you are done 18:12 cyrixbmx which file? 18:12 cait using mysql on command line or a gui tool for mysql 18:13 cait in mandatory is thefile for the default framework - not sure how that is called in french 18:13 nengard hi all - wasn't ignoring you - was just getting everything opened up and running 18:13 cyrixbmx yes but I can not find a sql file with the translation 18:14 cyrixbmx there is 3000 field to translate 18:14 cyrixbmx maybe 1000 18:15 sylvar cait: that was it, thanks :) 18:17 slef cait: 8 links, all different. 18:17 slef bbl 18:19 Brooke cheers 18:24 cait slef: I will check again - sorry to bother you 18:25 cait cyrixbmx: if the fr-FR directory doesn't contain translated files for marc21 there is no translation yet 18:25 Brooke cyrix 18:25 cait I did it for German - translated the files. incredibly boring cut and paste from the german translation 18:25 cyrixbmx no there is no translation :( 18:26 Brooke someone at McGill might have what you need 18:26 Brooke hang on a sec, k? 18:26 Brooke try olivier.speciel at mail.mcgill.ca 18:26 cyrixbmx ok thanks :) 18:27 Brooke thank me if it's helpful ;) 18:31 cait if you find translated files somewhere ... make them part of koha :) 18:32 fredericd cyrixbmx: I confirm. There is no MARC21 framework in French. We have French libraries with MARC21 catalog. The interface is in French but the MARC21 framework stay in English... 18:32 cyrixbmx ok thanks fredericd. I have a lot job :) 18:35 Brooke there a quicker way to manage with a script and the existing UNIMARC fields? 18:48 cait brooke: I think unimarc is too different as a base for marc21 18:48 magnus hiya trea and collum 18:49 magnus there be monsters... 18:49 trea well hi there 18:49 ibot what's up, trea 18:49 cait magnus: monsters? 18:52 magnus using unimarc as a basis for translating marc21 sounds like a recipe for madness ;-) 18:52 cait ah 19:11 hdl @later tell owen have you seen http://code.google.com/intl/fr/speed/page-speed/download.html I could be worth a try 19:11 munin hdl: The operation succeeded. 19:12 * owen is here 19:13 hdl sorry... it was just to mention that apache module i just ran into... 19:14 hdl maybe you know it... or don't... But I think it could be interesting. 19:14 owen No, I hadn't see it before 19:15 hdl slef: those Items branches have been there for a while and announced on list. 19:25 magnus hm, anyone seen this before: i installed a new language and enabled it for the opac, but when i click on it ("Svenska"), nothing seems to happen, but advanced search shows the translation http://munkagard.bibkat.no/ 19:25 magnus i go back to the front page and that is not translated 19:31 hdl could it be that your navigator is configured for another language ? 19:32 magnus hdl: maybe... 19:34 cait still should respect your setting 19:34 cait is the translation file complete? 19:37 magnus hdl: i changed the settings in firefox and that didn't change anything. and the swedish client reported the same problem 19:37 magnus cait: it should be... 19:37 cait you could check the po file for one of the words from the start page 19:37 cait but it really seems strange 19:46 magnus hm, enabled norwegian too, and that works fine - it's probably the po, then 20:04 magnus hiya jransom 20:05 cait hi jo :) 20:07 jransom hey babe :) 20:07 jransom waves at Magnus too ... although i call men and women 'babe' indiscriminately 20:08 magnus good to hear ;-) 20:08 cait :) 20:08 cait read your big news - exciting 20:08 jransom so it looks pretty cold on that side of the world 20:08 jransom huuugggeeeee news Cait - and in a rec ession to 20:08 jransom the submissions brought tears to my eyes - such wonderful community support 20:09 cait @wunder Konstanz 20:09 munin cait: The current temperature in Konstanz, Germany is -1.0�C (9:00 PM CET on December 09, 2010). Conditions: Overcast. Humidity: 75%. Dew Point: -3.0�C. Pressure: 30.45 in 1031 hPa (Rising). 20:10 cait the plans and functions sound great 20:10 cait hope you will be able to raise the funds soon 20:10 magnus yeah all the functions in one building sounds really cool 20:13 jransom its going to be a very siginificant thing for our district and we are so small and with so few resources that it makes enormous sense to do this. 20:13 jransom quite new, quite exciting and quite challenging 20:13 magnus that's the spirit! 20:14 cait if someone can do it it's you :) 20:18 magnus true! 20:19 jransom such faith 20:19 cait yes :) 20:19 jransom i get all shaky sometimes and wonder what the hell have i let myself in for but then i start breathing again and remember its not all on me, I am part of a team of 7 - and its a great team 20:20 trea hi jransom 20:20 jransom and i also remeber when i first told Muaupoko about it and asked them to be involved they sais 'if the kaupapa is good the money with come" and i have hung on to that (kaupapa is the work / mission / concept) 20:20 jransom hiya Liz 20:20 jransom thatacher? 20:21 trea it's thatcher 20:21 jransom :) 20:21 jransom I got there slowly 20:21 jransom and 007 arrives as well :) 20:22 cait hehe 20:22 magnus hehe, that pic is really cool! 20:23 * cait feels sleepy 20:25 magnus stupid n00b question: i need to check the top of the output from the translate-script, but i can't roll that far back. any clever tricks? redirecting to a file with > or |'ing to more does not work 20:27 cait I don't unerstand your question 20:27 magnus i run the translate script and it produces a *lot* of output really fast 20:28 magnus i can scroll back quite a bit, but not to the beginning 20:28 cait ah 20:28 magnus and i'd like to see if there are any error messages at the top/beginning of the output 20:28 cait you can get it into a file 20:28 cait slef showed me how to it once 20:29 magnus i tried "translate... > file.txt", but that only gave a little blit of the output 20:30 cait yah, you need the other thing 20:30 cait ... 20:30 * cait goes to search her wiki 20:30 fredericd magnus: you need to redirect also the error output 20:30 rhcl_away I forget the exact syntax, but it's something like "&2 >" 20:30 fredericd translate ... 2>&1 >file.txt 20:30 magnus ah, i've seen that, cool 20:31 cait >outputfile.txt 2>&1 20:31 cait my wiki says :) 20:31 cait oh, now fredericd was faster 20:37 magnus "perl translate install sv-SE > ~/munkagard-oversettelse.txt 2>&1" did the trick - thanks folks, you're the best! 20:38 cait :) 20:39 owen I just added a bug report for the YUI to jUI transition if anyone is interested in commenting: Bug 5481 20:39 munin 04Bug http://bugs.koha-community.org/bugzilla3/show_bug.cgi?id=5481 enhancement, P5, ---, oleonard, NEW, Replace YUI JS libraries with Jquery UI 20:44 * Brooke waves at Brendan 20:44 * druthb waves at Brendan, too. 20:46 cait hi brendan 20:48 jransom waves too 20:49 brendan heya :) 20:50 magnus if anyone who knows more about translations than me could have a quick look at this and see if they spot any obvious errors i'd be really grateful. http://koha.pastebin.com/ZLGmvzEk 20:51 cait the fuzzys 20:51 cait you have to get rid of them 20:51 cait via pootle or whatever - fuzzys will not get translated 20:52 magnus cool, thanks 20:52 magnus would that stop whole templates from being translated? 20:53 cait happens when a template gets changed 20:53 cait hm I think no 20:53 cait only the fuzzy terms 20:53 cait I looked at one this morning "place a hold on" is english for us, thought it was a template problem, but it seems it was the fuzzy 20:54 magnus hm, thing is, there are some templates missing from the translation, including opac-main.tmpl - that would explain the missing translation of the front page 20:55 cait hm 20:55 cait not good 20:55 cait do they show up in po when you do a translate update ...? 21:06 magnus hm, i found an error where <a1> was replaced with <a2>, let's see if that was it... 21:09 magnus yup, looks like that did the trick! got the right number of templates and the front page looks good 21:10 magnus woohoo 21:12 cait yay! 21:12 cait magnus++ 21:20 magnus and with that i bid y'all a very good night! 21:20 * Brooke waves bye to magnus and hi to hdl 21:20 cait night magnus 21:20 hdl night magnus 21:25 cait time for me too - good night all! 21:25 Brooke night! 21:54 * Brooke notes that cats are not quite as helpful as they'd lead you to believe. 21:55 druthb Mine is very good at reminding me of my place on the food chain. 21:56 jcamins Mine is very helpful. 21:56 jcamins He has reminded me that there are things more important than writing papers. 21:56 jcamins Like petting him. 21:56 sekjal g'night, #koha! 21:57 Brooke that is precisely what Socks is about. 21:58 druthb My Captain Midnight is good at that, too. 22:01 Brooke Oooh. Time for Hardball already. 22:19 chris hello 22:20 Brooke evening, sir. 22:38 * Brooke waves at hdl 22:38 hdl hi Brooke 22:39 Brooke ca va? 22:39 hdl back an forth from an unfriendly vpn. 22:39 Brooke :( 23:50 chris darling++ 23:53 darling howdy 23:53 ibot niihau, darling