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22:25 brendan_l time for cookies
21:52 chris welcome back brendan_l
21:43 brendan_l hiya
21:24 cait bye all :)
21:18 cait could be worse
21:18 munin cait: The current temperature in Konstanz, Germany is 0.0ï¿½C (6:00 PM CET on December 05, 2010). Conditions: Overcast. Humidity: 73%. Dew Point: -2.0ï¿½C. Pressure: 29.78 in 1008 hPa (Falling).
21:17 cait @wunder Konstanz
21:14 munin chris: The current temperature in Wellington, New Zealand is 16.0ï¿½C (6:00 AM NZDT on December 06, 2010). Conditions: Mostly Cloudy. Humidity: 72%. Dew Point: 11.0ï¿½C. Pressure: 29.80 in 1009 hPa (Steady).
21:14 chris @wunder wellington nz
21:10 munin brendan: The current temperature in Northwest Goleta, Goleta, California is 15.3ï¿½C (1:08 PM PST on December 05, 2010). Conditions: Mostly Cloudy. Humidity: 64%. Dew Point: 8.0ï¿½C. Pressure: 30.01 in 1016.1 hPa (Falling).
21:10 brendan @wunder 93117
21:09 brendan sweet
21:09 * chris just put in a redirect
21:08 chris translate.koha.org is no more, long live translate.koha-community.org
20:14 richard hey chris
20:13 chris hi richard
20:06 wizzyrea_ heya cait
20:06 cait hi liz
20:05 chris so far so good
20:05 wizzyrea_ how is monday treating you?
20:05 wizzyrea_ I've had better ones
20:05 chris hows the weekend goin?
20:03 wizzyrea_ heya
20:03 chris hi wizzyrea_
19:53 munin cait: The current temperature in Taegerwilen, Taegerwilen, Germany is -0.2ï¿½C (8:50 PM CET on December 05, 2010). Conditions: Mostly Cloudy. Humidity: 93%. Dew Point: -1.0ï¿½C. Windchill: 0.0ï¿½C. Pressure: 29.79 in 1008.7 hPa (Steady).
19:53 cait @wunder konstanz
19:48 chris hi cait
19:48 cait hi chris
19:36 chris doesnt suprise me they got it wrong, like i said to kmkale, every journal article released under a nonfree license about koha has got it wrong
19:35 chris plus a whole bunch of schools in canada
19:34 chris there were at least 2 specials before it
19:34 chris it was the first public library in USA
19:34 chris NPL wasnt even the first in USA
18:19 Brooke it's what I can stomach for the moment.
18:18 Brooke Cutting the proprietary cord
18:18 brendan What article where you talking about?
18:08 * Brooke hates Emerald Insight.
18:08 Brooke why do I have to go to WorldCat to find that out?
18:08 Brooke dude.
18:05 Brooke doesn't say it is
18:05 Brooke oh is it
18:05 jcamins British.
18:05 * Brooke nods.
18:04 cait ok, so an american library jounal published an articel about koha that is full of errors?
18:04 Brooke ahhhh ahh ahh ahh ahh ahhhh
18:03 Brooke Library Review aims to provide an international communication link between researchers, educators and library professionals in academic, public, company and other libraries by publishing papers which have been reviewed by the Editor and one or more reviewers, double-blind.
18:03 * cait is confused as always
18:02 Brooke I don't even know where to start.
18:02 cait what was so trauma...?
18:02 * Brooke comforts jcamins.
18:02 * jcamins doesn't know how to spell that word
18:02 jcamins *traumatising?
18:02 jcamins It was very traumatizing.
18:02 * jcamins weeps harder
18:02 cait ah
18:01 Brooke A case study of one libraryâ€™s decision to migrate to an open source ILS
18:01 Brooke Cutting the proprietary cord
18:01 cait :)
18:01 cait what are you all talking about?
18:01 jcamins But it sort of came across as the implication.
18:00 * Brooke is so freggin traumatised from that...
18:00 jcamins No, he didn't.
18:00 Brooke did he say NA?
18:00 Brooke not NA I don't think.
17:59 brendan not sure about that
17:59 jcamins Okay, but not the first in North America.
17:58 brendan yes they were
17:58 jcamins chris: was NPL the first library in the US to adopt Koha?
17:57 * Brooke waves
17:57 cait hi brooke and brendan
17:57 brendan morning
17:55 Brooke 5 yard penalty, results in loss of down.
17:55 * Brooke flags Chris for taunting.
17:53 cait fredericd: still around?
17:51 munin chris: The current temperature in Wellington, New Zealand is 16.0ï¿½C (6:00 AM NZDT on December 06, 2010). Conditions: Mostly Cloudy. Humidity: 72%. Dew Point: 11.0ï¿½C. Pressure: 29.80 in 1009 hPa (Steady).
17:51 chris @wunder wellington nz
17:15 cait hi brendan
17:07 cait and it's snowing
17:06 cait feels colder
17:06 munin cait: The current temperature in Reutlingen, Germany is 1.0ï¿½C (6:07 PM CET on December 05, 2010). Conditions: Heavy Snow. Humidity: 76%. Dew Point: -3.0ï¿½C. Windchill: 1.0ï¿½C. Pressure: 28.44 in 963.0 hPa (Steady).
17:06 cait @wunder Reutlingen
17:06 munin cait: The current temperature in Konstanz, Germany is 0.0ï¿½C (6:00 PM CET on December 05, 2010). Conditions: Overcast. Humidity: 73%. Dew Point: -2.0ï¿½C. Pressure: 29.78 in 1008 hPa (Falling).
17:06 cait @wunder Konstanz
17:06 cait hi jcamins :)
17:06 jcamins Hi cait.
17:06 cait hi #koha
13:48 munin ebegin: The current temperature in Montreal, Quebec is -6.0ï¿½C (8:00 AM EST on December 05, 2010). Conditions: Mostly Cloudy. Humidity: 80%. Dew Point: -9.0ï¿½C. Windchill: -14.0ï¿½C. Pressure: 29.62 in 1003 hPa (Rising).
13:48 ebegin @wunder montreal, canada
12:59 Brooke that was such a good Smoke it took out the server!
10:55 fredericd yes
10:54 cait I can try and do later, ok?
10:54 fredericd cait: could you take a look at translate.koha-community.org and tell me if your German translation is up-to-date?
10:52 cait hi fredericd
10:52 fredericd hi cait
10:45 cait hi #koha
10:26 * robin_ stops thinking about this for now. Packages will have to wait.
10:21 robin_ cya tomorrow :)
10:21 robin_ oh, external dependecies in tests strike me as a bad idea.
10:20 robin_ the things is a) I'm trying to avoid package-related patches if I at all can, b) they may trip up other people doing a 'make;make test', c) there was a c, I forget now.
10:20 * chris heads to bed
10:19 chris yep
10:18 chris yep
10:18 robin_ actually, running perl -c on everything should be a test case in itself
10:18 robin_ although, that isn't as clean in test cases themselves.
10:17 robin_ then they should invoke perl -c instead, maybe
10:16 chris so its trickier than that
10:16 chris which will mean a make test wont catch simple syntax errors
10:16 chris its more that to just use some modules requires a db
10:15 robin_ (I emailed to this effect, but due to odd network issues, I can't send email right now.)
10:15 robin_ My suggestion is that any test that causes a DB hit be moved to a subdir, so it's not a default test.
10:15 robin_ that's probably it
10:14 chris and now they are
10:14 chris i bet a ton of modules werent being tested before
10:14 chris but the 00 ones are new
10:14 chris nothing
10:14 robin_ I'm not sure what's changed that causes them to be an issue though
10:14 chris its more important to me that they get tested by hudson and on the commits
10:13 robin_ it's not just them, there are others also.
10:13 chris you might have to move them out as part of your build then
10:13 chris or broken templates
10:13 robin_ sure, but 'make test' runs t/*.t
10:13 chris markers
10:13 chris or have conflict markets
10:12 chris to make sure we dont commit modules that dont compile
10:12 chris the 00 tests is only ones designed to run as git hooks
10:12 fredericd I'm doing alist of active/inactive languages and will send it to koha-translate list
10:12 chris cool
10:12 robin_ chris: ah, the problem with a persistent database depended on by tests (aside from the fact that you'll never get into Debian with that I suspect:) is that it runs the risk of making tests dependent on unrelated tests.
10:12 kmkale bbl
10:12 fredericd Yes, I'm in the process of scripting loading remaining languages
10:12 chris so yep, apart from the missing languages its looking good
10:11 fredericd chris: not yet (the redirection)
10:11 chris danish too
10:10 chris http://translate.koha.org/ru/opac3_1/
10:09 chris well missing a few languages, like norwegian, ukranian, russian etc
10:08 chris fredericd: shall i set up a redirect from the old site?
10:07 robin_ I'm used to that meaning it has 10 minutes.
10:06 robin_ unrelated: the battery gauge for this laptop is in the red, which means it has less than 1.5 hours of battery left, which is great :)
10:06 chris fredericd: looks ok to me
10:05 robin_ It means I have to put mysql etc onto my build system, which seems wrong somehow
10:05 chris if you want to write sqllite db and change the queries that need to be changed ,.. be my guest :)
10:04 robin_ but tests should be self-contained
10:04 chris well its not a real test unless it actually tests things :)
10:04 robin_ for reasons I can't really explain
10:04 robin_ That offends me slightly :)
10:04 fredericd chris: could you take a look at k-c.org new Pootle and confirm it looks correct to you.
10:04 chris course for the db_dependent tests to run there does
10:03 robin_ hmm
10:03 chris there doesnt need to be a thing in it
10:03 chris easiest is just run up an empty db
10:03 robin_ it causes the tests to error out, which causes a build failure
10:03 chris yep, its supposed to
10:03 robin_ yeah, and that causes an attempt at DB access which fails
10:02 chris all the 00-load.t is use all the modules
10:02 kmkale fredericd: so I went to the man page and deleted the dir as mentioned there
10:02 robin_ chris: the problem is that it is using the KOHA_CONF
10:02 kmkale fredericd: the git rebase --abort failed with a reference to a really old branch in my repo
10:01 chris robin_: it wont be a hardcoded one, it just defaults to kohaadmin if it cant find the KOHA_CONF
10:01 fredericd no, not at all. It just clean your repo. Even if it would be better to use the appropiate git command to do it (git rebase --abord)
09:59 kmkale fredericd: will deleting the .git/rebase-apply/ have any adverse effects on any further work or rebase / pull merge etc?
09:57 fredericd kmkale: well done!!!
09:57 kmkale fredericd: got it to work by deleting .git/rebase-apply
09:38 fredericd chris: ?
09:20 robin_ )
09:20 robin_ (more concerningly, they require a hard-coded db username/password
09:18 robin_ these all require database access to run, which may not exist in a test system
09:17 robin_ and Auth_with_cas, External_BakerTaylor, Reports_Guided, Service, Tags, UploadedFile, and VirtualShelves.
09:14 robin_ test 00-load.t fails, causing the build to break. But in a different way that may or may not be the same thing.
08:50 robin_ unfortunately this isn't telling me what test it's coming from
08:45 robin_ (sorry for the paste, something funny with the network here, I can't do POSTs or something)
08:45 robin_ # Failed test 'use C4::BackgroundJob;'
08:45 robin_ DBI connect('dbname=koha;host=localhost;port=3306','kohaadmin',...) failed: Can't connect to local MySQL server through socket '/var/run/mysqld/mysqld.sock' (2) at /tmp/buildd/koha-3.2.1/blib/PERL_MODULE_DIR/C4/Context.pm line 692
08:45 robin_ t/00-deprecated.t ................... ok
08:45 robin_ PERL_DL_NONLAZY=1 KOHA_CONF=blib/KOHA_CONF_DIR/koha-conf.xml /usr/bin/perl "-MExtUtils::Command::MM" "-e" "test_harness(0, 'blib/PERL_MODULE_DIR', 'blib/arch')" t/*.t
08:45 robin_ make[1]: Entering directory `/tmp/buildd/koha-3.2.1'
08:44 chris Maybe get one of the americans, in the same timezone, otherwise I could maybe do it sometime next year
08:42 bigbrovar I could always get the email of Randal Schwartz the presenter of floss weekly all you have to do is mail him on the intention of getting on the show. thats all :)
08:42 robin_ why is it the tests require a MySQL server to be running?
08:41 kmkale ya chris u should get on it
08:40 chris Good idea bigbrovar
08:40 chris Hmm not off the top of my head kmkale
08:32 bigbrovar yeah it would be great to have more people hear about koha. here is the link to the episode about evergreen http://www.podtrac.com/pts/redirect.mp3/twit.cachefly.net/floss0132.mp3
08:32 bigbrovar yeah it would be great to have more people hear about koha. here is the link to the episode about evergreen http://www.podtrac.com/pts/redirect.mp3/twit.cachefly.net/floss0132.mp3\
08:27 kmkale good idea
08:26 bigbrovar all u need to do is email the presenter and he would get you on the list :)
08:26 bigbrovar In other news it would be nice to get koha on floss weekly http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/FLOSS_Weekly its a show which talks about free software projects. evergreen was there couple of shows ago and that made me kinda jealous, although there did give lots of preps to koha. It would be nice if koha could be on the show. and its not that hard at all :)
08:24 kmkale chris working on a touchscreen kiosk for library to enable ppl to read ebooks. can u recomend any foss ebook reader software?
08:21 chris but it did involve a lot of mucking around
08:21 chris i did get it going for a school here, using their koha and project gutenberg
08:21 chris :)
08:21 bigbrovar I think I can do without it then :)
08:21 chris you can get it to work, but its not easy at all
08:20 chris i hope to have time to fix it, but wont be in the next month or 2
08:20 chris its a feature liblime started and kinda abandoned
08:20 bigbrovar oh ok
08:20 chris bigbrovar: it wont work without work on the templates
08:19 kmkale 1st tests were gr8
08:19 bigbrovar chris: I needed it for grouping similar search results in opac.
08:19 chris they decided not to even try
08:19 kmkale since the last test its gone downhill
08:19 chris i have no idea
08:19 kmkale whats with nz batting chris?
08:19 kmkale yup
08:19 chris but you can only fix them then in free software :)
08:18 kmkale u can find holes in *any* software
08:18 chris yep
08:18 chris they are coming at it from the wrong angle right from the start
08:18 kmkale or pre set mind
08:18 chris *nod*
08:18 kmkale causation imho
08:18 chris i wonder if its causation or just correlation :)
08:17 chris actually all the articles published on under a nonfree license about koha have been crap
08:17 kmkale :)
08:17 chris yep you pointed out it was wrong
08:17 kmkale that was jcamins chris
08:16 chris hey kmkale adn you were right, that article is full of crap
08:15 kmkale hey chris bigbrovar
08:14 chris what do you want to use it for?
08:14 chris koha doesnt make any use of pazpar2 out of the box
08:14 chris you'll have to read the docs on indexata site
08:11 bigbrovar and I cant seem to find any docs on it
08:10 bigbrovar I configured it during the compilation process of koha but I can't figured out how to get it to run or if its even running.
08:10 bigbrovar chris: I am told if anyone could help me configure pazpar2 and get it up and running , u could :)
08:07 chris or it might be something tricky that linode does
08:06 chris wonder if it was their transparent proxy being retarded
08:06 chris just apache
08:06 chris afaik there is no gateway
08:06 chris i do note that tcl is screwed at the moment
08:06 chris weird, its all up and running fine
08:03 robin_ chris: while attempting to create a bug, I got: HTTP Error 504: Gateway Timeout.
07:50 chris The 3.2.x branch and that tag
07:50 chris Yep that's it robin
07:28 robin_ ah, maybe it's v3.02.01
07:27 robin_ was 3.2.1 tagged or branched at some point?
07:27 robin_ hmm, 3.2.x appears to have commits added after the release date
07:24 robin_ chris or chris_n --^
07:23 robin_ is it 3.2.x? Or is that the 3.2 head?
07:23 robin_ hey, anyone know which git branch I find the 3.2.1 release in?
06:07 kmkale brb
05:53 jcamins Good night, #koha
05:52 jcamins Also, it's almost 1am.
05:52 * jcamins is going to go to sleep before he gets so annoyed he can't see straight.
05:52 jcamins Ah, yes, my favorite operating system website- freebasd.org [sic]
05:47 kmkale me and abbreviations; its an ongoing war
05:47 kmkale :)
05:47 jcamins I was talking about LibLime Enterprise Koha.
05:47 kmkale aaahhhh yes
05:47 jcamins NEKLS, probably.
05:47 jcamins I think you're thinking of something else.
05:46 * kmkale thought LLEK was already on koha and a big supporter :(
05:46 jcamins I hope some other journal puts out a less biased issue on open source and libraries.
05:45 kmkale anyway
05:45 kmkale humph cant read
05:45 jcamins This might be LLEK.
05:44 kmkale or any branch for that matter
05:44 jcamins Yeah, that's what I thought.
05:44 kmkale issuing to patrons of satellite branch
05:44 kmkale what? but that *can* be done
05:43 jcamins One of the reasons they decided not to use Koha is because "Koha could not recognize the fact that patrons of the two satellite branches had the same borrowing privileges as patrons of the main branch (for statistical purposes, patrons of the two satellite branches were issued library cards with branch-specific barcodes)."
05:43 * kmkale is reading
05:42 jcamins But then, the entire issue manages to come across as vaguely anti-OSS.
05:41 jcamins Sadly not OA.
05:41 jcamins Cutting the proprietary cord by John Helling.
05:41 jcamins http://www.emeraldinsight.com/journals.htm?issn=0024-2535&volume=59&issue=9
05:40 kmkale ?
05:40 jcamins I just read the article from the library in Indiana.
05:40 jcamins No idea.
05:40 kmkale jcamins: independent branches off?
05:40 jcamins Good... morning?
05:39 kmkale hi jcamins
05:35 jcamins Not that I use circulation, but doesn't Koha support checking out books to patrons of other branches?
05:35 jcamins Weird...
04:58 kmkale good morning
00:00 Brooke right over to WoW properly before I bust things with too many damn windows.