Time Nick Message 22:43 cait good night 21:47 wizzyrea The Queen posted a message of congratulations on Twitter. 21:47 wizzyrea …only in 2010: AP 21:44 chris *nod* 21:44 wizzyrea oh, that's gonna be ugly 21:41 wizzyrea :( 21:38 chris http://www.stuff.co.nz/national/pike-river-mine-explosion/4378576/Pike-river-disaster-Mine-bore-drill-breaks-through 21:37 cait :( 21:37 chris hmm this mine story is not going to have a happy ending :( 21:28 cait night magnus 21:28 magnus good night folks! 21:22 munin 04Bug http://bugs.koha-community.org/bugzilla3/show_bug.cgi?id=1532 blocker, PATCH-Sent, ---, gmcharlt, RESOLVED FIXED, Port dev_week holds enhancements to 3.0 21:22 cait bug 1532 21:22 cait http://wiki.koha-community.org/wiki/PTFS_Harley_Integration : 3474 21:22 wizzyrea harley does a thing re: move into the queue at the following date 21:21 nengard which means i can't run the report i want to run 21:21 nengard which means it's not stored in the db 21:21 nengard and you're right it must calculate it 21:21 nengard yes hold shelf 21:21 wizzyrea you mean the hold shelf 21:20 cait I thin harley has features for that 21:20 wizzyrea it must compute that from the waiting date 21:20 cait it's crazy what is hiding in my head 21:20 nengard what i'm asking i guess is is there a field where the date goes that an item needs to be pulled from the shelf 21:20 cait started to write a syspref manual for my coworkers today 21:20 cait nengard: I can understand that 21:19 chris you shoulda just looked at that file then 21:19 nengard this by the way is why i can't remember where my shoes are - cause my head is full of koha manual 21:19 wizzyrea ah well there you go 21:19 nengard :) 21:19 nengard http://koha-community.org/documentation/3-2-manual/?ch=a13002#AEN13084 21:19 nengard chris there is a cron for that 21:19 chris they wont actually expire 21:19 nengard so we have waitingdate notificationdate cancellationdate (not expireddate - that was a typo) 21:19 wizzyrea that must be 21:19 chris so unless you are running something to clean out expired ones 21:18 cait perhaps waitingdate is uses for calculation of the date we were talking about? 21:18 wizzyrea so is there an expirationdate and an expiredate? 21:18 chris yeah but nothing checks it 21:18 cait nengard: you are right 21:18 nengard yup - expirationdate is populated by the 'not needed after' dates 21:17 wizzyrea i'm looking here too 21:17 wizzyrea right 21:17 nengard but this is different 21:16 nengard no hold date in future means don't start my hold til this date 21:16 cait wizzyrea: does not look like it 21:16 nengard testing now 21:16 cait ah, it shows the notes in the holds list 21:16 wizzyrea it's not allowhold date in future? 21:16 nengard copied from my opac :) 21:16 nengard chris it's in the opac - it says 'Hold Not Needed After' 21:15 cait not sure it's really shown somewhere 21:15 cait nengard: I wondered about the notes some time ago 21:15 wizzyrea :) 21:15 wizzyrea put one in and see 21:15 nengard or expirationdate 21:15 nengard I think it goes in expireddate 21:15 nengard k - but still - where in the database does that date go? 21:15 nengard hmm 21:14 chris and i dont think you can do it in the opac 21:14 nengard it's not a preference i was wrong on that count 21:14 nengard http://koha-community.org/wp-content/uploads/kohadocs/images/circ/placeholdsingle.png 21:14 nengard http://koha-community.org/documentation/3-2-manual/?ch=x6800#AEN6803 21:14 nengard in the interface it says 'hold expires on' 21:12 cait you could add a date like ..01/01/1111 and look where it ends up 21:12 cait what is the syspref for the later? 21:11 cait hm 21:11 nengard trust the author of the manual :) 21:11 nengard both can be turned on using sys prefs 21:11 nengard there are two dates - a hold date in future and a 'not needed after' date 21:11 chris im not sure you can set a i dont wnat it after this date 21:11 wizzyrea but that's ^^ what she said 21:10 cait but that's something else 21:10 chris yeah 21:10 cait there is the hold date in future thing 21:10 wizzyrea < doesn't know everything though (by a long shot) 21:10 wizzyrea ^^ I don't recall that feature 21:09 cait do we have an option for that in the opac? 21:08 nengard so if it's the date i will take it off the shelf then what field is the one where the patron says i don't need this after such and such date 21:08 cait hehe 21:08 wizzyrea lol 21:08 wizzyrea I was going to say "what cait said" 21:08 cait what liz says 21:07 cait for the next user 21:07 wizzyrea expiration date is when a filled hold expires off of the hold shelf, I think 21:07 cait I think it's the date you will take the book out of the shelf 21:07 cait yeah, thats the latter 21:07 nengard yes 21:07 nengard cancellationdate 21:07 cait nengard: is there a cancellation date too? 21:07 wizzyrea hm, I wonder if that goes afoul of data collection laws though (not here, but in other more privacy less insane countries) 21:07 cait no 21:07 chris lemme check 21:07 chris actually hang on 21:06 chris the latter 21:06 nengard what goes in the expirationdate in the reserves table - is this where the date goes that the patron can enter - or is this when their hold was canceled? 21:06 cait only to explain it :) 21:06 chris if they want to enable it, they enter some js in 21:06 chris yep, thats why its not on by default and is a per library choice 21:05 cait privacy issues are taken very seriously around here - some libraries even refuse to use google books - because it asks google every time 21:05 magnus and lots of people put info into librarything that is similar to what libraries would like to keep - but at least in norway there is a law that says all info about a loan must be deleted on return... 21:04 wizzyrea so you would be ok with a private webstat engine? 21:04 cait the problem is that those data is linked together by google, it's a whole profile, not single site visits 21:04 magnus wizzyrea: sure, and i'm not too paranoid myself, but i'm not sure i would want to let google "look over the shoulder" of patrons... 21:04 wizzyrea simply by virtue of surfing 21:04 wizzyrea s/facebook/almost every website 21:03 cait wizzyrea: not everybody has a facebook account 21:03 wizzyrea magnus: not to be trite, but that's pretty much the same info (and more) that they give willingly to facebook 21:03 gmcharlt magnus: it's the InviteTheFBI syspref, naturally 21:02 magnus i remember thinking "why isn't there a syspref for google analytics?" when i was new to koha... ;-) 21:01 magnus well, if you use google analytics you are letting google track what pages in the opac they are viewing etc 21:01 owen And I know some do 21:00 wizzyrea I can see it would be if you were able to say "jane doe logged in at 8:52pm and looked at her account details and renewed a book) 21:00 owen If anyone sees Google Analytics as an invasion of privacy they've got bigger problems than the library 21:00 wizzyrea simply gathering visit data? 20:59 cait same thought here 20:59 wizzyrea right, just when you said that the lightbulb went on that that's what we do here. 20:59 magnus could that be seen as an invasion of privacy? 20:59 chris you can put analytics into the opac using the js syspref 20:58 wizzyrea and actually, analytics could give you nice non-specific, non-patron tied user data 20:58 chris (but you probably purge the sessions table) 20:58 chris and/or the sessions table 20:58 chris you could tell that from the apache logs 20:58 chris how many login ? 20:57 wizzyrea hmm, interesting question: is there a way to find out how many patrons are logging into the OPAC to use features? 20:30 ibot magnus is an awesome fellow. 20:30 wizzyrea magnus? 20:30 wizzyrea magnus is in need of a reboot 20:30 * magnus needs a reboot 20:26 gmcharlt ibot++ 20:26 ibot it has been said that RDA is a room in a twisty maze of standards 20:26 gmcharlt RDA? 20:26 gmcharlt RDA is a room in a twisty maze of standards 20:26 sekjal hi, magnus, cait! 20:26 cait hi sekjal:) 20:25 gmcharlt RDA? 20:25 magnus hiya sekjal 20:24 wizzyrea modest too 20:20 magnus probably not very often, but anyway... 20:19 magnus woohoo! 20:19 ibot it has been said that magnus is an awesome fellow. 20:19 cait magnus? 20:12 magnus ooh, thanks guys! 20:12 wizzyrea magnus++ 20:12 cait magnus++ 20:10 * druthb leaps up to go catch the bus. 20:10 chris yay! 20:10 magnus it's a start: http://wiki.koha-community.org/wiki/Free_sample_MARC_data 20:07 wizzyrea jcamins: http://www.xtranormal.com/watch/7727401/ 20:02 chris magnus++ 20:02 magnus i'm on it 20:00 cait ours include authorities too 20:00 wizzyrea (free) sample marc data 20:00 cait yep 20:00 wizzyrea sources of sample marc data? 20:00 chris that'd work 19:59 magnus hm good name for the page? "free marc records"? 19:57 cait both very big libraries 19:55 chris thats very cool cait 19:55 chris someone should make a page on our wiki linking to all of these :) 19:54 cait chris: https://wiki.bsz-bw.de/doku.php?id=v-team:daten:openaccess:start 19:53 chris yup 19:52 magnus chris: in case you havn't seen it, open library has a lot of bib.records from different sources on archive.org: http://www.archive.org/details/ol_data 19:50 magnus a few fields in normarc are not in marc21 19:49 magnus lots of fields in marc21 are not in normarc 19:49 chris some good data for testing 19:49 chris http://www.lib.umich.edu/open-access-bibliographic-records 19:49 magnus some of the coded fields in 00x have different meanings 19:49 magnus it's not very different from marc21 19:47 gmcharlt of course, the trade-off would be more work to maintain those no-NO XSLTs 19:46 gmcharlt magnus: that depends; ideally they'd have been in English with a translation to Norwegian, but if they display standard is signficantly different, making the localization mechanism be able to slot in replacement XSLTs could be handy 19:44 magnus s/XSLT/NORMARC XSLT/ 19:44 magnus hm, at some point in back in time i went and created my XSLT files for the OPAC with nothing but norwegian text in them. Should they have been in english? i guess no-one else than norwegians will be interested in them. and they echo a lot of text from the NORMARC standard... 19:31 wizzyrea hi richard :) 19:30 richard hi 19:29 wizzyrea yes, that 19:29 cait we need --ammend for ibot :) 19:27 wizzyrea and that adds 2 things that she is 19:27 wizzyrea then nengard is like a good speech, short and sweet | a blogger at http://www.web2learning.net/ 19:27 wizzyrea forgot her (forget nengard) 19:26 wizzyrea so what I did was 19:26 wizzyrea I win 19:26 wizzyrea :D 19:26 ibot it has been said that nengard is like a good speech, short and sweet 19:26 wizzyrea nengard? 19:26 ibot nengard is probably a blogger at http://www.web2learning.net/ 19:26 wizzyrea nengard? 19:26 ibot somebody said nengard was a blogger at http://www.web2learning.net/ 19:26 wizzyrea nengard? 19:26 wizzyrea hrmnengard 19:25 nengard find 19:25 nengard took me forever to fnd it 19:25 nengard thanks owen 19:25 owen By the way nengard, I like your new blog template 19:25 nengard oh cool :) hehe 19:25 ibot i think Nengard is like a good speech: short, and sweet. or a blogger 19:25 chris Nengard? 19:25 ibot okay, chris. 19:25 chris nengard is also a blogger 19:24 ibot nengard is, like, like a good speech: short, and sweet 19:24 wizzyrea nengard? 19:24 nengard nope 19:24 ibot you are like a good speech: short, and sweet. 19:24 nengard nengard? 19:24 nengard nengard is a blogger at http://web2learning.net 19:24 owen Oh, I guess ibot needs the "is" 19:24 * druthb stands mute, and a plea of Not Guilty was entered by the court. 19:24 ibot well, nengard is like a good speech: short, and sweet. 19:24 owen nengard? 19:24 ibot nengard is like a good speech: short, and sweet. 19:24 owen nengard? 19:24 ibot nengard is like a good speech: short, and sweet. 19:24 owen nengard? 19:24 owen nengard has a blog at http://www.web2learning.net/ 19:24 nengard and how do we teach ibot those things? 19:23 nengard aww :) 19:23 wizzyrea hmm. yea, def. 19:23 ibot i heard wizzyrea was a ray of sunshine. 19:23 wizzyrea ibot: wizzyrea? 19:23 nengard hmmm yeah -- that was most certainly druthb 19:23 ibot i heard nengard was like a good speech: short, and sweet. 19:23 wizzyrea ibot: nengard? 19:23 nengard how do i ask ibot about me? 19:13 trea heh 19:12 magnus yay! 19:11 chris I was close 19:11 munin chris: The current temperature in Wellington, New Zealand is 12.0�C (8:00 AM NZDT on November 24, 2010). Conditions: Partly Cloudy. Humidity: 82%. Dew Point: 9.0�C. Pressure: 30.36 in 1028 hPa (Steady). 19:11 chris @wunder wellington, nz 19:02 * druthb shivers. 19:02 munin magnus: The current temperature in Bodo, Norway is -3.0�C (7:50 PM CET on November 23, 2010). Conditions: Scattered Clouds. Humidity: 55%. Dew Point: -11.0�C. Windchill: -10.0�C. Pressure: 30.21 in 1023 hPa (Rising). 19:02 magnus @wunder bodo, norway 19:00 * chris waits for the 8am update its gotta be 13 at least and now no clouds 19:00 cait it's supposed to snow tonight 19:00 cait yeah, getting colder and colder now 18:59 * druthb hands cait an extra cloak. 18:59 munin cait: The current temperature in Taegerwilen, Taegerwilen, Germany is 0.7�C (7:55 PM CET on November 23, 2010). Conditions: Overcast. Humidity: 94%. Dew Point: -0.0�C. Windchill: 1.0�C. Pressure: 29.79 in 1008.7 hPa (Steady). 18:59 cait @wunder Konstanz 18:59 munin druthb: The current temperature in Langley Fork Park, McLean, Virginia is 19.3�C (1:59 PM EST on November 23, 2010). Conditions: Overcast. Humidity: 63%. Dew Point: 12.0�C. Pressure: 29.93 in 1013.4 hPa (Steady). 18:59 druthb @wunder 20817 18:58 munin chris: The current temperature in Wellington, New Zealand is 10.0�C (7:00 AM NZDT on November 24, 2010). Conditions: Partly Cloudy. Humidity: 87%. Dew Point: 8.0�C. Pressure: 30.36 in 1028 hPa (Steady). 18:58 chris @wunder wellington, nz 18:56 ibot i guess nengard is like a good speech: short, and sweet. 18:56 cait nengard? 18:52 * cait give ibot a hug 18:52 druthb :D 18:52 cait aw 18:51 ibot hmmm... cait is really sweet. 18:51 druthb ibot: cait? 18:48 cait makes it easier to remember the keyword :) 18:45 ibot meeting is probably on 8 December 2010 at 10:00 UTC+0 18:45 cait meeting? 18:45 cait meeting is on 8 December 2010 at 10:00 UTC+0 18:44 ibot the next general meeting is on 8 December 2010 at 10:00 UTC+0 18:44 owen The next general meeting? 18:44 owen The next general meeting is on 8 December 2010 at 10:00 UTC+0 18:44 cait c 18:44 cait it's in the topi 18:44 magnus yeah, meant 8 December 2010 at 10:00 UTC+0 18:43 cait 8th of december? 18:43 magnus December 2010 at 10:00 UTC+0? 18:43 magnus hm, it hought the next meeting was in 2 weeks time? 18:39 chris right time to start heading out to the bus 18:39 cait okok 18:39 chris like that :) 18:39 ibot hmmm... chris is craving coffee 18:39 chris chris? 18:39 ibot you are awake to early 18:39 chris chris? 18:39 cait chris - don't make ibot forget about you all the time! 18:39 chris chris is some guy|awake to early|craving coffee 18:38 ibot chris: I forgot chris 18:38 chris forget chris 18:38 ibot you are probably the friendliest of all of us 18:38 chris chris? 18:38 * chris figures out how to make ibot do semi random replies 18:38 ibot git is found at http://git.koha-community.org 18:38 chris git? 18:38 ibot freaking rules 18:38 chris git? 18:38 ibot freaking rules 18:38 chris git? 18:37 ibot freaking rules 18:37 chris git? 18:37 chris git 18:36 ibot git is found at http://git.koha-community.org 18:36 chris git? 18:36 chris git also freaking rules 18:35 ibot git is, like, found at http://git.koha-community.org 18:35 chris git? 18:34 chris or if you are doing rebase -i 18:34 * chris_n learns yet another new thing 18:33 chris all the commits get made into files under .git/rebase-apply 18:32 chris you can edit the file then too 18:32 chris_n I've also had that happen as well 18:32 druthb lol 18:32 * Brooke trudges slowly towards the door on the way to the executioner, er family event... 18:32 chris_n that's my experience as well 18:32 chris chris_n: but it sounds like jcamins is in the middle of a rebase 18:32 chris_n yup 18:32 chris chris_n: usually when i run into this its a patch thats been signed off, and the persons mailer has added another content type line 18:32 jwagner chris just wants us (US east coast anyway) to get up VERY early tomorrow morning for no reason.... 18:31 * chris_n hands chris strong coffee 18:31 cait don't scare us! 18:31 cait lol 18:31 cait what meeting? 18:31 chris oh, whoops its a whole week away 18:31 jwagner chris, what meeting? 18:30 chris who can i lean on to send out a reminder email? 18:30 chris_n jcamins: how are you retrieving the patch? 18:30 chris by my calculations we have 13.5 hours until meeting? 18:29 * Brooke is actually a chat bot. 18:29 Brooke heheh 18:29 chris cool 18:29 ibot you betcha chris 18:29 chris nice day? 18:29 * ibot does a testing dance 18:29 chris test? 18:25 nengard k - screencast time - will log back in when done - can't have chats popping up in my video 18:25 chris jcamins_a: ping me when you are back, there are a few ways to deal with it 18:24 nengard or head 18:24 nengard and 3.4 manual will be dev branch 18:24 nengard 3.2 manual will be for 3.2.x 18:24 nengard just so it's not a dev branch 18:23 nengard that's fine 18:23 nengard cool 18:23 owen In 3.2.1 I think nengard 18:23 nengard need to get new screenshots 18:23 nengard thought it was something in head 18:23 nengard wow - so the calendar did change in 3.2 - it's purty :) 18:22 jcamins Okay, I have to run, but I'll be back to pick chris's brain on how to solve this problem tomorrow. Thanks for the help! 18:22 chris unless you want to make changes and change to another branch 18:22 chris which is totally fine 18:21 chris owen that will work, but you wont be on a local branch 18:21 owen What about: git checkout v3.02.01 18:21 chris if you want the release, you need to check out the tag 18:21 cait hi chris :) 18:21 cait oh no, I missed new git tricks 18:21 chris yes owen 18:21 chris makes it and checks it out 18:21 owen And that gets her the 3.2.x development branch right? Not the official release 18:21 nengard yup :) k - thanks 18:21 chris git checkout -b my_3.2.x origin/3.2.x 18:21 nengard git checkout -b mywork origin/3.2.x ?? 18:20 chris but doesnt check it out 18:20 jcamins What if you're in the middle of a rebase when this happens? 18:20 chris nengard: that makes a branch 18:20 nengard that look right? 18:20 nengard git branch -r origin/3.2.x 18:20 jcamins Ah. 18:20 chris and its all happy 18:19 chris i just edit the patch, and remove one of the lines 18:19 chris jcamins: its usually on a signed off patch 18:19 * owen was just about to google checking out by tag 18:19 jcamins But with the same patch? 18:19 chris there are 2 lines in the email header, setting content type 18:19 chris jcamins: ive encountered it 18:19 jcamins You can also check out by tag. 18:19 nengard but i can figure that part out :) 18:19 owen nengard: Although I guess that gets you 3.2.x, not official 3.2 18:18 jcamins chris_n: hm. I wonder why no one else has encountered this problem. 18:18 chris_n fwiw 18:18 chris_n jcamins: the problem is probably with the email header 18:18 owen "If you want to track the maintenance branch of an earlier version of Koha..." 18:17 nengard i'm on the wiki i did a search but i might not be using the right syntax 18:17 owen http://wiki.koha-community.org/wiki/Version_Control_Using_Git#Cloning_over_HTTP 18:17 owen nengard: That's in the wiki 18:17 jcamins Well, I won't be solving it in the next 10 minutes before I have to leave, so I'll ask again later. chris will know the answer. 18:16 nengard got a question - how do i checkout a branch from git - i want just the 3.2 branch not head 18:15 jcamins (according to Google) 18:15 jcamins It appears to be unique to Koha. 18:12 jcamins I got a "cannot convert from UTF-8utf-8 to UTF-8" error. 18:12 jcamins Or possibly the second patch for updating the VOKAL icon set. 18:11 munin 04Bug http://bugs.koha-community.org/bugzilla3/show_bug.cgi?id=5116 minor, P5, ---, ricmarques, NEW, Duplicate and missing entries in "apt-get-debian-lenny.sh" 18:11 jcamins Anyone else have problems applying the patch for bug 5116 when upgrading? 18:11 Brooke Terrible sneeze, I should really have that checked. 18:11 Brooke *sneeze* 18:11 Brooke http://kete.library.org.nz/en/site/topics/show/171-building-fund-donations 18:11 Brooke *sneeze* 17:54 owen Hi 17:53 jcamins Hello, owen. 17:53 jcamins owen? 17:50 druthb awww! 17:50 ibot :) 17:50 jcamins ibot: botsnack cookie 17:49 * druthb gives ibot a cookie. 17:47 trea heh 17:47 nengard hehe 17:47 * wizzyrea pats ibot 17:46 nengard you heard me :) 17:46 ibot nengard: excuse me? 17:46 nengard ibot you're so cute 17:42 jcamins :) 17:42 jcamins Current temperature for Bodo, Norway? 17:42 ibot hmmm... Koha is a free software ils see http://koha-community.org for more info 17:42 jcamins Koha? 17:41 wizzyrea bot even. 17:41 wizzyrea love. that. bog. 17:41 ibot searching faq is at http://koha-community.org/documentation/faq/searching/ 17:41 wizzyrea searching faq? 17:41 ibot faq is found at http://koha-community.org/documentation/faq/ 17:41 wizzyrea faq? 17:41 ibot manual is at http://www.koha-community.org/documentation 17:41 wizzyrea manual? 17:41 wizzyrea manual? 17:41 ibot i think documentation is at http://koha-community.org/documentation/ 17:41 wizzyrea documentation? 17:40 jcamins Seeing as how I was the one who programmed postfix installation documentation a few hours ago and I couldn't remember it. 17:40 jcamins Yeah, probably. 17:39 wizzyrea single words probably easier to remember 17:39 ibot postfix installation documentation is at https://help.ubuntu.com/community/Postfix 17:39 ibot postfix is found at https://help.ubuntu.com/community/Postfix 17:39 jcamins ibot: where is postfix installation documentation? 17:39 wizzyrea postfix? 17:38 wizzyrea postfix? 17:38 ibot no idea, jcamins 17:38 jcamins ibot: where is postfix? 17:38 wizzyrea hrmph. 17:38 wizzyrea help with postfix? 17:37 druthb :) I had a history prof in college who pointed out that mis-spelling one President's name with that of another was a serious typo. 17:37 kf ok, time to go - see you later :) 17:37 ibot it has been said that postfix is found at https://help.ubuntu.com/community/Postfix 17:37 wizzyrea postfix? 17:37 jcamins druthb: correct wording counts! 17:36 druthb spelling counts. 17:36 jcamins There we go. 17:36 wizzyrea aha 17:36 ibot hmmm... postfix installation documentation is at https://help.ubuntu.com/community/Postfix 17:36 jcamins postfix installation documentation? 17:36 jcamins Whoops. 17:36 ibot wizzyrea: sorry... 17:36 wizzyrea ibot: postfix installation instructions 17:36 kf hmpf! :) 17:36 kf I didn't mean that fact... 17:36 ibot pdf manual is found at http://koha-community.org/wp-content/uploads/kohadocs/en/koha3-2manual-en.pdf 17:36 wizzyrea pdf manual 17:36 wizzyrea hrmph. 17:36 wizzyrea postfix? 17:36 jcamins postfix installation instructions? 17:35 kf hm 17:35 wizzyrea manual? 17:35 ibot i heard cait was a developer! or a librarian 17:35 kf cait? 17:35 wizzyrea i fixed, sorry 17:35 jcamins Better? 17:35 ibot cait is a developer! or a librarian 17:35 jcamins ibot: cait? 17:34 ibot ...but cait is not a very sweet girl... 17:34 jcamins ibot: No, cait is a developer! or a librarian 17:34 wizzyrea wrong! 17:34 wizzyrea no no 17:34 wizzyrea aww 17:34 ibot cait is not a very sweet girl 17:34 wizzyrea cait? 17:34 wizzyrea cait 17:34 jcamins ibot: help corrections 17:34 jcamins Or "No, ..."? 17:33 jcamins I think <replace>? 17:33 kf I tried is not... but didn't work 17:33 kf can oyu make im forget a single fact? 17:33 kf ah 17:33 trea heh 17:33 wizzyrea x is also y 17:33 ibot wizzyrea: huh? 17:33 wizzyrea ibot will add one to your description if you say 17:33 * kf blushes 17:32 wizzyrea aha 17:32 ibot somebody said cait was a developer! or a librarian or a very sweet girl 17:32 wizzyrea cait? 17:32 kf hmpf! 17:32 ibot cait is probably a developer! or a librarian 17:32 jcamins ibot: cait? 17:32 jcamins kf: yes, go home. 17:31 kf chris is writing mails - a good indicator I shouldn't be still at work right now 17:30 kmkale good night 17:28 jcamins Right. 17:28 jcamins Ah. 17:28 wizzyrea where simpler = fewer steps 17:27 wizzyrea especially if you're starting from scratch 17:27 jcamins That's true, but that's the easy part. 17:27 wizzyrea (yet) 17:27 wizzyrea lots of stuff in there can be combined, or run sequentially without a human typing it in. Not a lot is system specific < qualified, since I haven't seriously pursued a one script to rule them all 17:26 jcamins wizzyrea: I'm having trouble imagining how you could make it much simpler than it already is. 17:25 wizzyrea i do love writing shell scripts. 17:23 druthb doo eeeet! 17:22 wizzyrea *shrug* I suppose the only thing to do is just do it an see if it flies. 17:22 wizzyrea plus, there are folks who probably wouldnt' want people running shell scripts (most often) as root 17:21 wizzyrea I want to do a suite of shell scripts for the source install, but I sense that the packages might be taking over (rightfully) 17:20 wizzyrea I actually think we can make install.x much simpler 17:14 kf never look at that 17:14 kf perhaps in non-xslt 17:14 kf not sure 17:14 kf and subscriptionhistory too 17:14 jcamins I bet authoritysep isn't even really used anymore, is it? 17:13 kf like StaffSerialIssueDisplayCount - is cataloging now, could be staff - but I would search it in Serials 17:13 jcamins I would've thought it would go in Authorities, too. 17:13 kf and alot of things would match different categories easily 17:13 kf perhaps I am just thinking different :) 17:13 jcamins I still don't know. 17:13 kf standard is -- 17:13 jcamins Ah. 17:12 kf the signs that show between your authorities I think 17:11 jcamins I don't know. What does it do? 17:11 kf hm, and authoritysep is under cataloging - why not authorities? 17:09 * jcamins adds this to his to-do list. 17:08 jcamins See, we need to make this more clear in the INSTALL.debian. 17:07 * wizzyrea loves debian for this reason 17:07 wizzyrea (very often) 17:07 wizzyrea ooh, and jinx 17:07 jcamins trea: I'm all for teaching people to fish, but installing software in Debian really is as easy as typing "apt-get install whatever." 17:07 wizzyrea magnus: thanks 17:07 hdl magnus_a: tx for the photos btw 17:05 trea jcamins: the sysadmin in me thinks to just script/automate as much as possible, but that isn't teaching one to fish. then again, if the goal is a working koha install, then you're not teaching people to fish anyway 17:04 magnus wizzyrea: yes, Hoeppner (i suspect that's really Höppner?) 17:04 jcamins wizzyrea: so it would seem. 17:04 jcamins Which makes me think that the documentation needs to be more explicit that it's not necessary. 17:03 wizzyrea but they want to install koha on their PS2! 17:03 jcamins trea: yeah, but people keep on wanting to download stuff from perl.org and apache.org and who knows where else and install it manually. 17:02 wizzyrea Hoeppner? 17:02 wizzyrea does anybody remember what Kristina's last name is? 17:02 trea debian koha install I meant to say 17:02 trea jcamins: i had the pleasure of doing my first debian install on a virtualbox system a month or so ago; i found it downright pleasant compared to some other installs i've had 17:01 markk last time i had problems with barcodes not being incremented ... it was solved in the 3.2 live cd version. but my question now is how to make the incrementation to be +1 not as it is now just replacing the far left 0 by 1 for every new barcode. 17:00 jcamins Hello, markk. 17:00 jcamins trea: exactly. I sure liked how easy it was to install Koha. 16:58 markk hello all 16:55 trea "try it. you might like it." 16:55 wizzyrea lol 16:55 jcamins I think maybe we need to revise INSTALL.debian to say at the very top "THIS WILL INSTALL ALL DEPENDENCIES. REALLY. JUST TRY IT. IT MIGHT WORK. I SWEAR." 16:51 magnus yeah, i think opac would be the first place i would look for it... 16:47 kf perhaps opac would be better? 16:46 kf hm, does it make sense to have virtualshelves unter administration in the sys pref editor? 16:45 magnus hi, flying fox! 16:45 hdl hi all 16:37 chris_n heya kmkale 16:37 sophie_m sorry 16:37 sophie_m chris_n is wright :-[ 16:37 kmkale hi chris_n 16:37 * chris_n thinks maybe sophie_m is typing in the wrong window ;-) 16:36 sophie_m hdl MT4940 : je n'avais pas noté que c'était à moi de le reprendre. Tu pourrais me donner quelques indications ? 16:35 sophie_m hdl : MT3759 (fichiers pour import QRGA) c'est résolu ? 16:04 ebegin ok, i'll look at it. 16:03 jcamins It might be possible to change the type of index, but I don't know what you'd change it to. 16:03 jcamins Probably not. 16:03 jcamins Hm. 16:02 ebegin jcamins, can it be done using a range? for example 2000- 16:01 jcamins ebegin: I'm not sure how you'd do it with limits, but you could add a search option using jquery. The index is copydate. 15:59 ebegin I'm tying to limit the date using the content of 260$c (date of publication) instead of the 008/07-10 value. Is this possible? 15:53 Elwell depending what ibot's based on 15:53 Elwell http://echelog.matzon.dk/logs/browse/supybot/1259017200 (you may want to set supybot.plugins.Relay.punishOtherRelayBots ) 15:53 wizzyrea elwell: /msg ibot help 15:52 ibot Elwell: excuse me? 15:52 Elwell ibot: list 15:52 collum A belated hi to magnus. :) 15:49 wizzyrea ok sorry back to real work 15:49 trea <.< 15:49 trea >.> 15:49 trea uh ^.^ 15:48 ibot rumour has it trea is a fan of bot fights 15:48 wizzyrea trea? 15:48 druthb lol 15:48 trea noooooo 15:48 ibot i haven't a clue, wizzyrea 15:48 wizzyrea ibot: trea? 15:47 trea i want to watch them fight. is that so wrong? 15:47 jcamins I hope so. 15:47 wizzyrea i wonder if you can teach ibot to ignore certain users (munin, for example) 15:46 ibot i heard current temperature in Bodo, Norway was -6.0�C (4:20 PM CET on November 23, 2010). Conditions: Partly Cloudy. Humidity: 68%. Dew Point: -11.0�C. Windchill: -14.0�C. Pressure: 30.15 in 1021 hPa (Steady). 15:46 jcamins current temperature in Bodo, Norway? 15:46 wizzyrea that does seem odd doesn't it 15:46 wizzyrea omg our bots are talking 15:46 magnus huh, how can the windchill be warmer then the actual temp? 15:45 munin wizzyrea: The current temperature in Lawrence Live-Courtesy of the Khoury's, Lawrence, Kansas is -0.4�C (9:45 AM CST on November 23, 2010). Conditions: Haze. Humidity: 85%. Dew Point: -3.0�C. Windchill: 0.0�C. Pressure: 30.31 in 1026.3 hPa (Steady). 15:45 munin magnus: Error: No such location could be found. 15:45 wizzyrea @wunder 66047 15:45 magnus @wunder sulitjelma, norway 15:45 munin kf: The current temperature in Taegerwilen, Taegerwilen, Germany is 1.2�C (4:45 PM CET on November 23, 2010). Conditions: Light Rain. Humidity: 92%. Dew Point: 0.0�C. Windchill: 1.0�C. Pressure: 29.75 in 1007.3 hPa (Steady). 15:45 kf @wunder Konstanz 15:45 munin magnus: The current temperature in Fauske Sentrum, Fauske, Norway is -8.9�C (4:45 PM CET on November 23, 2010). Conditions: Partly Cloudy. Humidity: 70%. Dew Point: -13.0�C. Windchill: -9.0�C. Pressure: 30.15 in 1020.9 hPa (Steady). 15:45 magnus @wunder rognan, norway 15:45 magnus ? 15:44 ibot i already had it that way, munin. 15:44 munin magnus: The current temperature in Bodo, Norway is -6.0�C (4:20 PM CET on November 23, 2010). Conditions: Partly Cloudy. Humidity: 68%. Dew Point: -11.0�C. Windchill: -14.0�C. Pressure: 30.15 in 1021 hPa (Steady). 15:44 magnus @wunder saltdal, norway 15:44 trea heh. that was my next thing to do 15:44 munin ebegin: The current temperature in Montreal, Quebec is 4.0�C (10:18 AM EST on November 23, 2010). Conditions: Light Rain. Humidity: N/A%. Windchill: 1.0�C. Pressure: (Falling). 15:44 ebegin @wunder montreal, canada 15:44 magnus apart from that: not too bad... ;-) 15:44 munin magnus: The current temperature in Bodo, Norway is -6.0�C (4:20 PM CET on November 23, 2010). Conditions: Partly Cloudy. Humidity: 68%. Dew Point: -11.0�C. Windchill: -14.0�C. Pressure: 30.15 in 1021 hPa (Steady). 15:44 magnus @wunder bodo, norway 15:43 trea how's norway today? 15:42 trea kia ora magnus 15:42 magnus hiya trea 15:42 kf poor thing 15:42 ibot kf: i don't know 15:42 kf ibot: where do you live? 15:41 kf right :) 15:41 kf hehe 15:41 wizzyrea hehe 15:41 ibot rumour has it chris is a huge rugby fan 15:41 wizzyrea chris? 15:41 jcamins magnus: yes, I know. 15:41 kf wizzyrea: you have 1 guess 15:41 wizzyrea and he/she needs a name 15:41 wizzyrea so whose grand idea was ibot? 15:40 magnus try "ibot help" to see available commands - in private ;-) 15:38 jcamins :) 15:38 ibot i am still small - he needs to learn more :) 15:38 jcamins ibot: what are you? 15:38 nengard cute 15:38 nengard I get it :) 15:38 nengard oh! - that's a bot!!! 15:38 nengard wizzyrea - didn't we have the manual in pdf already 15:38 kf oh 15:37 kf nengard? 15:37 ibot well, manual pdf is found at http://koha-community.org/wp-content/uploads/kohadocs/en/koha3-2manual-en.pdf 15:37 wizzyrea manual pdf 15:37 wizzyrea pdf manual 15:37 wizzyrea nengard you will love this 15:32 ibot wizzyrea: sorry... 15:32 wizzyrea ibot: I love you 15:31 ibot i guess manual pdf is found at http://koha-community.org/wp-content/uploads/kohadocs/en/koha3-2manual-en.pdf 15:31 wizzyrea manual pdf 15:28 ibot chris is the most helpful guy 15:28 wizzyrea chris? 15:27 druthb sure 'nuf...you can. 15:26 druthb Wonder if you can feed it more than two choices for the terms? 15:25 wizzyrea so. very. handy 15:25 ibot mailing lists are found at http://koha-community.org/support/koha-mailing-lists/ 15:25 wizzyrea mailing lists? 15:24 druthb WOO HOO! 15:24 ibot well, druthb is a geek 15:24 druthb druthb? 15:24 ibot i guess druthb is fond of cookies. 15:24 druthb druthb? 15:24 ibot somebody said druthb was fond of cookies. 15:24 druthb druthb? 15:24 ibot you are fond of cookies. 15:24 druthb druthb? 15:24 ibot support is found at http://koha-community.org/support/ 15:24 ibot OK, druthb. 15:24 wizzyrea support? 15:24 druthb ibot: druthb is a geek|fond of cookies. 15:24 ibot druthb: I forgot druthb 15:24 druthb ibot: forget druthb 15:24 druthb ooo.... 15:23 ibot koha community events are found at http://koha-community.org/category/events/ 15:23 wizzyrea koha community events 15:23 jcamins ibot: help? 15:23 wizzyrea community events? 15:23 wizzyrea i love ibot. 15:23 kf can we keep him? plz? 15:22 kf he is nice 15:22 ibot paste is found at http://paste.koha-community.org 15:22 wizzyrea paste? 15:22 druthb grooooooovy. 15:22 ibot the faq is found at http://koha-community.org/documentation/faq/ 15:22 druthb ibot: where is the faq? 15:22 druthb hm... 15:22 ibot bugzilla is found at http://bugs.koha-community.org 15:22 wizzyrea bugzilla? 15:22 ibot git is, like, found at http://git.koha-community.org 15:22 wizzyrea git? 15:22 ibot OK, jcamins. 15:22 jcamins ibot: koha livecd is at http://mizstik.com/projects/koha-livecd/ 15:22 druthb lol 15:21 ibot rumour has it i am still small - he needs to learn more :) 15:21 druthb ibot: ibot? 15:21 druthb Hrm. 15:20 jcamins Okay, good. It can handle multiple words. 15:20 ibot searching faq is at http://koha-community.org/documentation/faq/searching/ 15:20 jcamins searching faq? 15:20 wizzyrea there we go 15:20 ibot i heard faq was found at http://koha-community.org/documentation/faq/ 15:20 wizzyrea ibot: faq? 15:20 jcamins wiki faq? 15:20 jcamins Hrm. 15:20 wizzyrea lulz ;) 15:20 ibot hmmm... faq is found at http://koha-community.org/documentation/faq/searching/ 15:20 wizzyrea faq? 15:19 ibot it has been said that searching faq is at http://koha-community.org/documentation/faq/searching/ 15:19 jcamins searching faq? 15:19 ibot OK, jcamins. 15:19 jcamins ibot: searching faq is at http://koha-community.org/documentation/faq/searching/ 15:19 wizzyrea hrmph. 15:19 ibot wizzyrea: bugger all, i dunno 15:19 wizzyrea ibot: faq? 15:18 ibot no idea, wizzyrea 15:18 wizzyrea ibot faq? 15:18 wizzyrea hrm 15:18 ibot wizzyrea: huh? 15:18 wizzyrea ibot: faq 15:18 rhcl substitute ketchup for cream, slap 'em on some bread, slice the potatoes & fry 'em = Happy meal 15:18 wizzyrea faq 15:17 ibot jcamins: no idea 15:17 jcamins ibot: search help? 15:17 wizzyrea search help 15:17 wizzyrea search 15:17 jcamins Woohoo! 15:17 ibot postfix installation documentation is probably at https://help.ubuntu.com/community/Postfix 15:17 jcamins postfix installation documentation? 15:17 druthb Meatballs with a cream sauce and capers, and potatoes boiled in salt water. 15:17 kf search problem? 15:17 kf search? 15:17 ibot OK, jcamins. 15:17 jcamins ibot: postfix installation documentation is at https://help.ubuntu.com/community/Postfix 15:16 rhcl almost 15:16 ibot rumour has it documentation is at http://koha-community.org/documentation/ 15:16 wizzyrea documentation? 15:16 kf rhcl: hm not quite the same 15:16 rhcl I'm hungry 15:16 rhcl königsberger klopse mit salzkartoffeln = meatballs and potatoes, or in English, Hamburgers and french fries 15:16 ibot no idea, jcamins 15:16 jcamins ibot: postfix installation instructions? 15:16 wizzyrea oh THIS is HANDY 15:16 wizzyrea OHHHHH 15:15 kf I think was works too :) 15:14 magnus :-) 15:14 ibot hmmm... magnus is an awesome fellow. 15:14 druthb magnus? 15:14 druthb magnus is an awesome fellow. 15:13 druthb you can tell it something with <user> is <foo>. It'll remember that until told to forget it. 15:13 wizzyrea mmm hmm. 15:13 ibot wizzyrea: i haven't a clue 15:13 wizzyrea ibot: magnus? 15:13 druthb ooooo. 15:13 wizzyrea oooo 15:13 ibot wish i knew, wizzyrea 15:13 wizzyrea ibot: chris? 15:13 wizzyrea hehe 15:13 ibot hmmm... cait is a developer! or a librarian 15:13 wizzyrea ibot: cait? 15:12 ibot it has been said that kf is an excellent cook: she makes tasty königsberger klopse mit salzkartoffeln. 15:12 druthb ibot: kf? 15:12 wizzyrea aha! 15:12 ibot i think jcamins is supposed to be an outstanding cook. 15:12 druthb ibot: jcamins? 15:12 wizzyrea wonder why 15:12 wizzyrea hm 15:12 ibot wizzyrea: i haven't a clue 15:12 wizzyrea ibot: jcamins? 15:12 jcamins :( 15:12 ibot no idea, jcamins 15:12 jcamins ibot: jcamins? 15:12 druthb :) 15:11 ibot druthb is a big fan of cookies. 15:11 jcamins ibot: druthb? 15:11 wizzyrea good morning to you too 15:11 wizzyrea ! 15:11 druthb :D 15:11 ibot wizzyrea is a ray of sunshine. 15:11 druthb ibot: wizzyrea? 15:10 munin wizzyrea: The operation succeeded. 15:10 wizzyrea @later tell chris_n wondering if the ohloh mirrors for 3.2.1 have been set up, but it's no rush. 15:09 druthb hi, wizzyrea! 15:09 munin wizzyrea: chris_n was last seen in #koha 2 hours, 24 minutes, and 19 seconds ago: <chris_n> and will have a look as soon as things settle down here 15:09 wizzyrea @seen chris_n 15:07 magnus hiya collum 15:00 magnus bigbrovar: cool! :-) 15:00 bigbrovar magnus: thank you so much. using the r switch like totally worked :) 15:00 sekjal hi, kf 14:59 schuster Hey all!! working on my secret kidspac project. Oh drat not a secret anymore! HA! finally getting around to coming back to it. 14:57 magnus hi schuster 14:57 jcamins Hello kf. 14:56 kf hi jcamins and sekjal 14:55 bigbrovar ok 14:54 magnus bigbrovar: how did you index? you need to use the -r switch, i think 14:52 bigbrovar magnus: followed the bulkmarcimport link and used that. still old deleted records still show up in opac search. even after indexing 14:51 kmkale and the capability of repairing data is awesome ofcourse 14:49 kmkale yup 14:48 magnus openlibrary.org could perhaps be of interest too? 14:48 kmkale there is also fetch by url. maybe usefull for Indian books from sources like indcat 14:44 kmkale magnus: json probabely. cause in filters you use jsonish 14:44 magnus kmkale: do you know how gr talks to freebase? json? rdf? 14:43 kmkale magnus: I get a *lot* of minuscule catalogs as part of working on the granthalaya.org project. It would be a great help if we can extract more biblio fields from freebase or some other sources using a tool like google refine. 14:42 magnus g'day jcamins - and welcome! 14:41 jcamins magnus++ # for inspiring me to make pizza for dinner yesterday 14:41 druthb hi, jcamins. :) 14:41 sekjal morning, jcamins! 14:41 jcamins Good morning, #koha 14:41 magnus kmkale: sounds like fun! 14:36 * kmkale is trying out google refine reconcile with freebase on book titles and isbn 14:34 * magnus waves back at druthb 14:34 * druthb waves at magnus. 14:32 bigbrovar magnus: thanks 14:32 magnus another way is to use the -d switch to bulkmarcimport.pl: http://perldoc.koha-community.org/misc/migration_tools/bulkmarcimport.html 14:32 magnus bigbrovar: deleting from biblio, biblioitems and items is one way to do it - but until you reindex with zebra you will still get the old search results 14:30 bigbrovar I want to start like I have never imported anything before.. like a fresh install 14:30 bigbrovar I did delete from biblio in mysql but when I search I still see entries which are suppose to be deleted. even though click them gives a 404 msg 14:29 bigbrovar I want to start afresh 14:29 bigbrovar magnus: complete records I guess 14:28 magnus bigbrovar: just items or complete records? 14:28 bigbrovar like how can delete every previously imported items in koha and start from scratch 14:27 kf sorry, I am not sure I understand your question 14:24 bigbrovar now is there a way I can delete everything item in bib and start from scratch? 14:23 bigbrovar kf: thanks adding both 952a and b seems to have fixed the refine search by library problem. 14:15 kf hehe 13:42 * druthb has gotten into elaborate mime acts with cooks who don't speak English much, a few times. 13:40 druthb Oh, I could pick at it and figure out enough to keep from starving, I suspect. Kartoffeln are a staple pretty-much everywhere, just a matter of figuring out how they prepare 'em. 13:39 kf pootle is back 13:39 kf so ordering should be no problem 13:39 kf menu 13:39 kf ah; I think you coudl already guess most of the things on the meno 13:37 sekjal hi, druthb! 13:37 druthb hi, sekjal. :) 13:37 druthb Sometime about 2030, I might have enough German to be able to order a meal in a restaurant, and find the ladies' room and airport. Little bit o' progress at a time.. 13:36 * druthb is enjoying learning German, a little at a time. 13:35 kf pootle is down for me - can someone else check? 13:35 ibot cait is a developer! or a librarian 13:35 kf cait? 13:34 kf I should not teach you German 13:34 kf oh my 13:34 * druthb grins. 13:34 ibot i guess kf is an excellent cook: she makes tasty königsberger klopse mit salzkartoffeln. 13:34 druthb kf? 13:32 * druthb cheerfully gets to it. 13:31 * jwagner tells druthb to quit cackling and get to work! 13:30 * druthb cackles. 13:30 jwagner Harrumph! 13:30 ibot you are not good at making druthb miserable. 13:30 jwagner jwagner? 13:30 jwagner jwagner is very good at making druthb miserable! 13:30 ibot hmmm... jwagner is not good at making druthb miserable. 13:30 druthb jwagner? 13:30 druthb jwagner is not good at making druthb miserable. 13:30 * druthb laughs evilly. 13:29 kf ah, chris made him forget that... wah confusing 13:29 druthb jwagner? 13:29 kf chris? 13:29 kf I wanted i... to forget what he knows about chris being tired 13:29 * druthb glares at ibot. 13:29 ibot i heard kf was trying to make him forget that :) 13:29 druthb kf? 13:29 druthb kf is talented and fun. 13:28 kf although I liked it better what he said about me before that *sniffs* 13:28 ibot kf is trying to make him forget that :) 13:28 druthb kf? 13:28 kf he is picky 13:28 kf hehe 13:27 * druthb scratches her head. 13:27 ibot kf is trying to make him forget that :) 13:27 druthb kf? 13:27 jwagner Pretty soon the bots are going to outnumber the humans on this channel.... 13:27 ibot hmmm... kf is trying to make him forget that :) 13:27 druthb kf? 13:27 druthb kf is a good cook; she makes an excellent königsberger klopse mit salzkartoffeln. 13:27 druthb Hm. 13:25 kmkale i see ibot is a instant hit 13:17 gmcharlt ibot: help 13:16 * druthb is miserable-proof today. She hands jwagner a plate of Eggs Benedict. 13:16 jwagner Poacher! 13:15 munin druthb: Quote #102: "<druthb> harrrumph!" (added by gmcharlt at 07:42 PM, November 11, 2010) 13:15 druthb @quote get 102 13:15 jwagner Harrumph 13:15 * druthb giggles. 13:15 kf jwagner: I am only teaching ibot - facts he need to know! 13:15 ibot it has been said that druthb is a big fan of cookies. 13:15 kf druthb? 13:15 kf druthb is a big fan of cookies. 13:15 jwagner kf, quit tempting druthb -- I need to keep her nose to the grindstone! 13:14 ibot kf: I forgot druthb 13:14 * druthb loves cookies. 13:14 kf ibot: forget druthb 13:14 druthb yes? 13:14 ibot druthb is loves cookies. 13:14 kf druthb? 13:14 kf hmpf, bad sentence 13:14 kf druthb is loves cookies. 13:13 kf druthb? 13:12 bigbrovar kf: thanks guess I would keep it but make it consistent with 952$a 13:11 kf bigbrovar: but it probably doesn't hurt to store it there too 13:11 bigbrovar kmkale: ok thanks 13:11 kmkale bigbrovar: look at the koha to marc mapping link 13:11 bigbrovar although I also have collums for holding library and owning library which I have mapped to 952$ a and b respectifully 13:11 kf you don't need 852 to make koha work correctly 13:11 kf ah ok 13:10 bigbrovar kf: no reason particularly :) .. I am new at all this I guess I would remove the tag altogether. I am using marcedit to migrate the shreadsheet data to marc and location is one of the colum which I mapped to 852$a 13:09 druthb hi, kmkale! :) 13:09 kmkale hi druthb 13:09 kmkale thanks daniel but I was just repeating what someone else pointed out 13:08 daniel kmkale++ 13:07 druthb your answer to bigbrovar. You beat me to it. 13:07 kf bigbrovar: why do you want to fill the 852 tag? 13:07 kf druthb: huh? 13:07 daniel kmkale, thanks for that tip on google refine--i missed the news on that 13:06 bigbrovar kf: ok can I use one of the branch libraries created as the value for the 852$a tag 13:06 daniel morning kf 13:06 druthb kf++ 13:06 kf morning daniel :) 13:06 daniel good morning 13:05 kf bigbrovar: so staying witht he koha standard is the best way 13:05 kf bigbrovar: theoretically you can configure koha to use a different field for items, but practically you would have to edit the zebra files too - because the indexes will be all wrong 13:05 kf bigbrovar: no 13:03 hdl hi 13:03 ebegin hi jwagner ;) 13:02 bigbrovar can they be used interchangeably 13:01 bigbrovar could someone please explain to me the difference btw the 852$a marc tag and koha's 952$a and b tags 13:01 jwagner Bonjour ebegin 12:56 ebegin good morning everyone 12:55 * jwagner plans to work hard on the problem.... 12:54 * druthb wonders what jwagner will come up with today to try to make her life miserable. She was batting .000 yesterday. 12:48 kf so I don't forget it 12:48 munin kf: The operation succeeded. 12:48 kf @later tell chris can you update the po files for 3.2 some time? there are a lot of new strings that were previously not translatable and some fuzzy stuff - would be nice to get it into 3.2.2 :) 12:45 jwagner Guten tag kf 12:45 chris_n and will have a look as soon as things settle down here 12:44 * chris_n thinks you are correct about the authority problem 12:44 kf hi jwagner 12:44 kf ah ok 12:44 kf if not perhaps someone linked an authority, tried to delete it later, but couldn't delete the $9 field, because it was not visible 12:44 chris_n yes 12:44 kf I thought more about it - are your $9 fields visible in the framework? 12:43 chris_n this has been a busy time due to a coworker being in the hospital 12:43 kf german is at 100% - but the strings are missing from the files 12:43 kf yeah, because the po files need an update 12:43 chris_n I did 12:43 kf did you get my mail about your record? 12:43 chris_n I did speak with chris prior to the 3.2.1 release and it seems that only a few patches were available for the translation related files which were included 12:43 kf and owen did some nice patches to make some things translatable 12:42 kf perhaps still some strings will escape, but not so many 12:42 kf that was my thought :) 12:42 chris_n so if there are updated po files available in the days before 3.2.2, we'll be glad to include them:) 12:42 kf ok, will ask chris about it 12:41 chris_n fredericd does not have his site up yet I think 12:41 kf so wanted to tell you that and ask fredericd about it later :) 12:41 chris_n I think there is some latency in the transfer of translation-manager 12:41 chris_n kf: sure 12:40 kf 3.2.1 12:40 kf because we have some string changes and new strings that show up in English now in 3.2 12:40 kf I only wanted to ask if it's possible to update the po files a few days before the next release 12:40 * chris_n just came back from breakfast :) 12:40 chris_n lunch++ 12:40 kf just came back from lunch 12:40 kf ah good timing 12:39 chris_n kf: here now for just a moment 11:54 kmkale google refine. what a tool !! 11:23 kf fredericd: around? 11:21 kf probably a bit too early 11:21 kf chris_n: around? 11:11 kf hi Amit 11:11 kmkale hi Amit 11:11 kmkale yup adding a tag in marcedit will be much simpler and faster 11:11 bigbrovar kf yeah I think so too. I am already on it 11:10 bigbrovar kmkale: yeah I have imported them to catalog. but the koha is still not yet in use. I am still working on it even though once all issues are resolved it should be open to the public soon 11:10 Amit heya kf, kmkale 11:10 kf depending on the number of your items 11:09 kf but reimporting would be perhaps faster, if you are still testing and not using the data 11:09 kf bigbrovar: in 3.2 you can use the batch edit item tool 11:04 kmkale bigbrovar: have you already started using the migrated data? 10:59 bigbrovar kf: is there a way to batch edit imported items and add the 95$a tag? because items where batch imported from a mrc file migrated from spreadsheet 10:46 kf sorry, accidently closed window 10:42 kf and test if search works after that 10:42 kf you could try and change some items 10:42 kf and yes, both 10:41 kf ah, I thought about using sql to look what is in your database 10:41 bigbrovar and what what do u mean by "items table ant the marcxml field" how do I do that. (I am very new at koha and linux too ) 10:40 bigbrovar kf: so it MOST be 952$a and 952$b and not just 952$b? 10:37 kf you could try and check your items table ant the marcxml field 10:37 kf no, 952$a and $b are the fields 10:36 bigbrovar search only works when I search all libraries 10:36 bigbrovar any time I tell koha to search items in a particular library it always comes up with zero result. even though the book searched belongs to that library 10:35 bigbrovar Hi guys. is there a way to attach an item to a library branch other using the 952$b tag. I have created two libraries and every item in our catalog is mapped to a particular librarie using the code I created for that library. when I search all seems to be fine. Just that I can not seem to get refined search by library to work 10:28 magnus hm, i won't... 10:27 kf hm. you should not click on the link ibot is suggesting... 10:19 kf ibot help 10:15 munin magnus: Karma for "kf" has been increased 33 times and decreased 0 times for a total karma of 33. 10:15 magnus @karma kf 10:15 ibot kf has karma of 1 10:15 magnus karma for kf 10:11 kmkale bbl 10:09 ibot i guess documentation is at http://koha-community.org/documentation/ 10:09 magnus documentation? 10:09 magnus documentation is at http://koha-community.org/documentation/ 10:05 kmkale cool 10:02 kmkale ibot help 10:02 magnus sorry try "ibot help" 10:02 magnus well, try "member:ibot help" and it will talk to you in private... 10:00 kmkale not a very helpful creature our ibot 09:59 magnus ibot help 09:59 kmkale ;( 09:59 ibot kmkale: bugger all, i dunno 09:59 kmkale ibot do you know any other tricks? 09:58 ibot somebody said Thane was a city of lakes on the outskirts of Mumbai, India. 09:58 kmkale Thane? 09:58 kmkale Thane is a city of lakes on the outskirts of Mumbai, India. 09:58 kmkale Thane? 09:54 chris s'ok 09:54 kf sorry 09:54 chris yeah, computer beeps 09:53 kf heard us shouting your name? 09:53 ibot chris: i haven't a clue 09:53 chris ibot: .no? 09:53 chris had a nap, woke up again :) 09:53 magnus chris? 09:53 kf you were tired - why are you still here? 09:52 kf :) 09:52 kf hey 09:52 ibot chris: I forgot chris 09:52 chris ibot: forget chris 09:52 kf grr 09:52 ibot i think chris is great or tired 09:52 kf chris? 09:52 kf chris is not tired 09:52 kf I am trying to make him forget that :) 09:52 kf hm, no, I taught him to say chirs is great and chris added the tired part 09:52 kmkale hehe so it picks up only the first time use 09:51 ibot rumour has it Konstanz is a town in Germany, near to the Swiss border 09:51 kf Konstanz? 09:51 kf no, he didn't believe me :) 09:51 kmkale humm teher ibot did not glob kf's sentence 09:51 kf Konstanz is a town in Germany, near to the Swiss border. 09:50 ibot chris is great or tired 09:50 kmkale chris? 09:50 kf chris told me he picks up things with is/was 09:50 magnus or maybe just "something is something"... 09:49 ibot xyz is cool! 09:49 magnus xyz? 09:49 magnus xyz is cool! 09:49 magnus xyz? 09:49 magnus looks like you just have to start with a nick 09:46 kmkale or you have to run some command? 09:46 kmkale so ibot globs anything starting with a nick? 09:46 kmkale yes chris++ 09:45 kf chris++ 09:45 kmkale and kf++ 09:45 kmkale ibot++ 09:45 ibot somebody said cait was a developer! or a librarian 09:45 kf cait? 09:45 kmkale :) 09:45 ibot it has been said that kmkale is a good developer, providing unit tests for his patches. 09:45 kf kmkale? 09:45 kf kmkale is a good developer, providing unit tests for his patches. 09:44 kf kmkale: you can talk to it too 09:44 ibot koha is a free software ils see http://koha-community.org for more info 09:44 kf koha? 09:43 kf ibot is still small - he needs to learn more :) 09:43 Yemeni oh ibot they should've updated your kb, at least 09:43 ibot i haven't a clue, yemeni 09:43 Yemeni ibot, do you know how to install koha? 09:43 Yemeni lol 09:43 Yemeni iboot, do you know how to install koha? 09:42 kmkale I want one too :(( 09:41 kmkale wow chris is got an ibot and kf can talk to it. how cool is that? ;) 09:40 Yemeni I have a fully configured fedora server, so I'm doing my best not to format it 09:39 kf hmpf. 09:39 ibot it has been said that chris is great or tired 09:39 kf chris? 09:39 kf chris is always great and only sometimes tired. 09:39 Yemeni lol 09:39 ibot yes, kf? 09:39 kf ibot? 09:39 kf chris is only sometimes tired 09:39 ibot ...but chris is great or tired... 09:39 kf ibot: chris is great and sometimes tired 09:38 ibot it has been said that chris is great or tired 09:38 kf chris? 09:37 kf I have only done it on ubuntu. 09:35 Yemeni could anyone confirm a (non sluggish) clean installation of Koha 3.2 on Fedora 13? 09:35 Yemeni Hello world 09:03 kmkale hi magnus 09:02 magnus hi kmkale 08:56 kmkale hi all 08:55 magnus hehe, about 10 meters from the first one - i took a detour :-) 08:54 * kf hides 08:54 kf magnus: where is your other computer? oslo? 08:24 * magnus moves over to the other computer 07:58 magnus kia ora chris 07:58 chris hi magnus 07:55 kf hi magnus 07:55 magnus hiya kf & #koha 07:29 chris back after a powercut 06:45 chris hehe yes 06:45 cait so I have some time to work on koha (which is more fun than reading a book about accounting) 06:44 chris :) 06:44 cait allowed myself not to start with my new distance study course until 1st december 06:42 cait my new state fields are medium text... but I can change that :) 06:42 cait ok 06:41 chris id just make them text 06:40 cait do you agree with nicoles suggestion of mediumtext? 06:40 cait ok 06:39 chris id do 3777 first 06:39 cait both are things I could work on but not sure it makes sense :) 06:39 chris yeah and a patch for 3777 would be good too 06:39 cait yep to what? :) 06:39 chris yep 06:38 cait this is a old patch from hdl - but not sure there is a better way to do it in with the new templating system 06:38 munin 04Bug http://bugs.koha-community.org/bugzilla3/show_bug.cgi?id=3656 enhancement, PATCH-Sent, ---, henridamien, NEW, Specify fields to be omitted from the patron record 06:38 cait bug 3656 06:38 cait chris: chris_n wanted to look at the state thing - not sure my addresses look right :) 06:37 cait does it make sense to write a patch to change the field sizes? 06:36 chris ah right 06:36 cait but came across some other bugs 06:36 cait had to open up a new one 06:36 cait no , there wasn't a bug for this, only discussion on the mailing list 06:36 chris im hoping someone will signoff on it soon :) 06:35 chris with 06:35 chris cool, hopefully can close a bunch your patch 06:35 chris ahhh 06:35 munin 04Bug http://bugs.koha-community.org/bugzilla3/show_bug.cgi?id=3777 trivial, P5, ---, gmcharlt, NEW, Field Sizes Inconsistent 06:35 cait like bug 3777 06:35 cait when I looked for a bug about hte state field in borrowers, I found some older bugs 06:33 cait I feared you would say that :) 06:33 chris that wouldnt hurt 06:33 cait but retesting in 3.2.1 required too? 06:32 cait already tested some of them on HEAD 06:32 chris ah yep, any of those you want to look at would be fine 06:32 cait there are some bugzilla mails from chris_n 06:31 cait hm, looking at my inbox... 06:30 cait ok 06:29 chris cant think of anything off the top of my head 06:28 chris hmmm 06:26 cait will perhaps have some time later today 06:24 cait want me to test something? 06:23 chris hehe 06:20 cait will never get over this time zone thing :) 06:18 cait have a feeling I will have a long day too 06:17 cait I am still waking up 06:17 chris yeah, long day 06:16 cait it's still early to be tired - crazy day? 06:15 ibot i think chris is great or tired 06:15 chris chris? 06:15 ibot okay, chris. 06:15 chris chris is also tired 06:15 cait good ibot 06:15 chris hehe he wont listen to me now :) 06:15 ibot ...but chris is great... 06:15 chris ibot: no, chris is tired 06:15 ibot ...but chris is great... 06:15 chris ibot: chris is tired 06:15 cait you can be both 06:14 chris no chris is tired 06:14 cait hehe 06:14 ibot somebody said chris was great 06:14 cait chris? 06:14 cait chris is great 06:14 cait that's cool 06:14 ibot somebody said koha was a free software ils see http://koha-community.org for more info 06:14 chris koha? 06:14 chris he learns from is/was 06:14 chris :) 06:14 cait now you have confused him :) 06:14 cait lol 06:13 ibot well, cait is a developer! or a librarian 06:13 chris cait? 06:13 ibot okay, chris. 06:13 chris cait is also a librarian 06:13 cait he reacts to ? 06:13 cait and you told him I am a developer? poor bot :) 06:13 chris :) 06:13 chris until it gets too annoying and i turn it off 06:12 chris yup 06:12 cait we have a chat bot 06:12 cait oh 06:12 chris cait: just playing with the bot 06:12 ibot hmmm... catalogue search not working is often caused by zebra not reindexing check the search faq at http://koha-community.org/documentation/faq/searching/ 06:12 chris catalogue search not working? 06:12 cait chris? 06:12 cait ? 06:12 cait here 06:12 ibot i guess cait is a developer! 06:12 chris cait? 06:06 cait :) 06:06 cait night brendan 06:03 brendan_l alright night all ;) 05:50 hudsonbot cait: yummy! how did you know that breakfast is my favorite food? 05:50 cait !hudson botsnack breakfast 05:22 kmkale morning cait 05:22 cait mornig kmkale :) 05:11 kmkale hi all 05:09 daniel hi cait 05:08 cait hi brendan :) 05:08 brendan_l heya cait 05:07 cait morning #koha 03:53 chris :) 03:53 richard sounds familiar :) 03:53 richard heh 03:52 ibot que tal, richard 03:52 richard ibot: hi 03:49 chris like that 03:49 ibot well, catalogue search not working is often caused by zebra not reindexing check the search faq at http://koha-community.org/documentation/faq/searching/ 03:49 chris catalogue search not working? 03:47 chris it does other things, but learning factoids is the most useful 03:47 ibot 2 03:47 chris ibot: 1+1? 03:44 ibot chris: I forgot awesome 03:44 chris ibot: forget awesome 03:43 ibot awesome is, like, like totally cool 03:43 chris awesome? 03:43 chris awesome is like totally cool 03:43 chris it has to learn first 03:43 brendan_l awesome? 03:43 ibot somebody said koha was a free software ils see http://koha-community.org for more info 03:43 chris koha? 03:27 Amit heya brendan 03:25 brendan_l Hi Amit 03:24 chris hi Amit 03:23 Amit heya chris 02:23 chris just downloads 02:18 jcamins That's a lot of bandwidth usage. 02:18 jcamins Wow. 02:17 brendan_l is that just from downloads? or git too? 02:16 chris is fun too 02:16 chris http://download.koha-community.org/awstats/awstats.pl 02:16 brendan_l heya jcamins :) 02:16 jcamins brendan_l: yeah, it's pretty great. 02:07 brendan_l for some reason I love looking at git.koha-community.org :) 01:53 brendan_l heya chris_n 01:42 munin chris_n: The current temperature in Erwin, North Carolina is 14.0�C (8:41 PM EST on November 22, 2010). Conditions: Clear. Humidity: 82%. Dew Point: 11.0�C. Pressure: 30.25 in 1024 hPa (Steady). 01:42 chris_n @wunder 28334 01:27 munin brendan_l: The current temperature in westside ukiah, Ukiah, California is 7.7�C (5:24 PM PST on November 22, 2010). Conditions: Overcast. Humidity: 84%. Dew Point: 5.0�C. Windchill: 8.0�C. Pressure: 29.20 in 988.7 hPa (Steady). Winter Weather Advisory in effect until 6 am PST Tuesday above 2500 feet... 01:27 brendan_l @wunder ukiah, ca