Time  Nick       Message
22:43 cait       good night
21:47 wizzyrea   The Queen posted a message of congratulations on Twitter.
21:47 wizzyrea   …only in 2010: AP
21:44 chris      *nod*
21:44 wizzyrea   oh, that's gonna be ugly
21:41 wizzyrea   :(
21:38 chris      http://www.stuff.co.nz/national/pike-river-mine-explosion/4378576/Pike-river-disaster-Mine-bore-drill-breaks-through
21:37 cait       :(
21:37 chris      hmm this mine story is not going to have a happy ending :(
21:28 cait       night magnus
21:28 magnus     good night folks!
21:22 munin      04Bug http://bugs.koha-community.org/bugzilla3/show_bug.cgi?id=1532 blocker, PATCH-Sent, ---, gmcharlt, RESOLVED FIXED, Port dev_week holds enhancements to 3.0
21:22 cait       bug 1532
21:22 cait       http://wiki.koha-community.org/wiki/PTFS_Harley_Integration : 3474
21:22 wizzyrea   harley does a thing re: move into the queue at the following date
21:21 nengard    which means i can't run the report i want to run
21:21 nengard    which means it's not stored in the db
21:21 nengard    and you're right it must calculate it
21:21 nengard    yes hold shelf
21:21 wizzyrea   you mean the hold shelf
21:20 cait       I thin harley has features for that
21:20 wizzyrea   it must compute that from the waiting date
21:20 cait       it's crazy what is hiding in my head
21:20 nengard    what i'm asking i guess is is there a field where the date goes that an item needs to be pulled from the shelf
21:20 cait       started to write a syspref manual for my coworkers today
21:20 cait       nengard: I can understand that
21:19 chris      you shoulda just looked at that file then
21:19 nengard    this by the way is why i can't remember where my shoes are - cause my head is full of koha manual
21:19 wizzyrea   ah well there you go
21:19 nengard    :)
21:19 nengard    http://koha-community.org/documentation/3-2-manual/?ch=a13002#AEN13084
21:19 nengard    chris there is a cron for that
21:19 chris      they wont actually expire
21:19 nengard    so we have waitingdate notificationdate cancellationdate  (not expireddate - that was a typo)
21:19 wizzyrea   that must be
21:19 chris      so unless you are running something to clean out expired ones
21:18 cait       perhaps waitingdate is uses for calculation of the date we were talking about?
21:18 wizzyrea   so is there an expirationdate and an expiredate?
21:18 chris      yeah but nothing checks it
21:18 cait       nengard: you are right
21:18 nengard    yup - expirationdate is populated by the 'not needed after' dates
21:17 wizzyrea   i'm looking here too
21:17 wizzyrea   right
21:17 nengard    but this is different
21:16 nengard    no hold date in future means don't start my hold til this date
21:16 cait       wizzyrea: does not look like it
21:16 nengard    testing now
21:16 cait       ah, it shows the notes in the holds list
21:16 wizzyrea   it's not allowhold date in future?
21:16 nengard    copied from my opac :)
21:16 nengard    chris it's in the opac - it says 'Hold Not Needed After'
21:15 cait       not sure it's really shown somewhere
21:15 cait       nengard: I wondered about the notes some time ago
21:15 wizzyrea   :)
21:15 wizzyrea   put one in and see
21:15 nengard    or expirationdate
21:15 nengard    I think it goes in expireddate
21:15 nengard    k - but still - where in the database does that date go?
21:15 nengard    hmm
21:14 chris      and i dont think you can do it in the opac
21:14 nengard    it's not a preference i was wrong on that count
21:14 nengard    http://koha-community.org/wp-content/uploads/kohadocs/images/circ/placeholdsingle.png
21:14 nengard    http://koha-community.org/documentation/3-2-manual/?ch=x6800#AEN6803
21:14 nengard    in the interface it says 'hold expires on'
21:12 cait       you could add a date like ..01/01/1111 and look where it ends up
21:12 cait       what is the syspref for the later?
21:11 cait       hm
21:11 nengard    trust the author of the manual :)
21:11 nengard    both can be turned on using sys prefs
21:11 nengard    there are two dates - a hold date in future and a 'not needed after' date
21:11 chris      im not sure you can set a i dont wnat it after this date
21:11 wizzyrea   but that's ^^ what she said
21:10 cait       but that's something else
21:10 chris      yeah
21:10 cait       there is the hold date in future thing
21:10 wizzyrea   < doesn't know everything though (by a long shot)
21:10 wizzyrea   ^^ I don't recall that feature
21:09 cait       do we have an option for that in the opac?
21:08 nengard    so if it's the date i will take it off the shelf then what field is the one where the patron says i don't need this after such and such date
21:08 cait       hehe
21:08 wizzyrea   lol
21:08 wizzyrea   I was going to say "what cait said"
21:08 cait       what liz says
21:07 cait       for the next user
21:07 wizzyrea   expiration date is when a filled hold expires off of the hold shelf, I think
21:07 cait       I think it's the date you will take the book out of the shelf
21:07 cait       yeah, thats the latter
21:07 nengard    yes
21:07 nengard    cancellationdate
21:07 cait       nengard: is there a cancellation date too?
21:07 wizzyrea   hm, I wonder if that goes afoul of data collection laws though (not here, but in other more privacy less insane countries)
21:07 cait       no
21:07 chris      lemme check
21:07 chris      actually hang on
21:06 chris      the latter
21:06 nengard    what goes in the expirationdate in the reserves table - is this where the date goes that the patron can enter - or is this when their hold was canceled?
21:06 cait       only to explain it :)
21:06 chris      if they want to enable it, they enter some js in
21:06 chris      yep, thats why its not on by default and is a per library choice
21:05 cait       privacy issues are taken very seriously around here - some libraries even refuse to use google books - because it asks google every time
21:05 magnus     and lots of people put info into librarything that is similar to what libraries would like to keep - but at least in norway there is a law that says all info about a loan must be deleted on return...
21:04 wizzyrea   so you would be ok with a private webstat engine?
21:04 cait       the problem is that those data is linked together by google, it's a whole profile, not single site visits
21:04 magnus     wizzyrea: sure, and i'm not too paranoid myself, but i'm not sure i would want to let google "look over the shoulder" of patrons...
21:04 wizzyrea   simply by virtue of surfing
21:04 wizzyrea   s/facebook/almost every website
21:03 cait       wizzyrea: not everybody has a facebook account
21:03 wizzyrea   magnus: not to be trite, but that's pretty much the same info (and more) that they give willingly to facebook
21:03 gmcharlt   magnus: it's the InviteTheFBI syspref, naturally
21:02 magnus     i remember thinking "why isn't there a syspref for google analytics?" when i was new to koha... ;-)
21:01 magnus     well, if you use google analytics you are letting google track what pages in the opac they are viewing etc
21:01 owen       And I know some do
21:00 wizzyrea   I can see it would be if you were able to say "jane doe logged in at 8:52pm and looked at her account details and renewed a book)
21:00 owen       If anyone sees Google Analytics as an invasion of privacy they've got bigger problems than the library
21:00 wizzyrea   simply gathering visit data?
20:59 cait       same thought here
20:59 wizzyrea   right, just when you said that the lightbulb went on that that's what we do here.
20:59 magnus     could that be seen as an invasion of privacy?
20:59 chris      you can put analytics into the opac using the js syspref
20:58 wizzyrea   and actually, analytics could give you nice non-specific, non-patron tied user data
20:58 chris      (but you probably purge the sessions table)
20:58 chris      and/or the sessions table
20:58 chris      you could tell that from the apache logs
20:58 chris      how many login ?
20:57 wizzyrea   hmm, interesting question: is there a way to find out how many patrons are logging into the OPAC to use features?
20:30 ibot       magnus is an awesome fellow.
20:30 wizzyrea   magnus?
20:30 wizzyrea   magnus is in need of a reboot
20:30 * magnus   needs a reboot
20:26 gmcharlt   ibot++
20:26 ibot       it has been said that RDA is a room in a twisty maze of standards
20:26 gmcharlt   RDA?
20:26 gmcharlt   RDA is a room in a twisty maze of standards
20:26 sekjal     hi, magnus, cait!
20:26 cait       hi sekjal:)
20:25 gmcharlt   RDA?
20:25 magnus     hiya sekjal
20:24 wizzyrea   modest too
20:20 magnus     probably not very often, but anyway...
20:19 magnus     woohoo!
20:19 ibot       it has been said that magnus is an awesome fellow.
20:19 cait       magnus?
20:12 magnus     ooh, thanks guys!
20:12 wizzyrea   magnus++
20:12 cait       magnus++
20:10 * druthb   leaps up to go catch the bus.
20:10 chris      yay!
20:10 magnus     it's a start: http://wiki.koha-community.org/wiki/Free_sample_MARC_data
20:07 wizzyrea   jcamins: http://www.xtranormal.com/watch/7727401/
20:02 chris      magnus++
20:02 magnus     i'm on it
20:00 cait       ours include authorities too
20:00 wizzyrea   (free) sample marc data
20:00 cait       yep
20:00 wizzyrea   sources of sample marc data?
20:00 chris      that'd work
19:59 magnus     hm good name for the page? "free marc records"?
19:57 cait       both very big libraries
19:55 chris      thats very cool cait
19:55 chris      someone should make a page on our wiki linking to all of these :)
19:54 cait       chris: https://wiki.bsz-bw.de/doku.php?id=v-team:daten:openaccess:start
19:53 chris      yup
19:52 magnus     chris: in case you havn't seen it, open library has a lot of bib.records from different sources on archive.org: http://www.archive.org/details/ol_data
19:50 magnus     a few fields in normarc are not in marc21
19:49 magnus     lots of fields in marc21 are not in normarc
19:49 chris      some good data for testing
19:49 chris      http://www.lib.umich.edu/open-access-bibliographic-records
19:49 magnus     some of the coded fields in 00x have different meanings
19:49 magnus     it's not very different from marc21
19:47 gmcharlt   of course, the trade-off would be more work to maintain those no-NO XSLTs
19:46 gmcharlt   magnus: that depends; ideally they'd have been in English with a translation to Norwegian, but if they display standard is signficantly different, making the localization mechanism be able to slot in replacement XSLTs could be handy
19:44 magnus     s/XSLT/NORMARC XSLT/
19:44 magnus     hm, at some point in back in time i went and created my XSLT files for the OPAC with nothing but norwegian text in them. Should they have been in english? i guess no-one else than norwegians will be interested in them. and they echo a lot of text from the NORMARC standard...
19:31 wizzyrea   hi richard :)
19:30 richard    hi
19:29 wizzyrea   yes, that
19:29 cait       we need --ammend for ibot :)
19:27 wizzyrea   and that adds 2 things that she is
19:27 wizzyrea   then nengard is like a good speech, short and sweet | a blogger at http://www.web2learning.net/
19:27 wizzyrea   forgot her (forget nengard)
19:26 wizzyrea   so what I did was
19:26 wizzyrea   I win
19:26 wizzyrea   :D
19:26 ibot       it has been said that nengard is like a good speech, short and sweet
19:26 wizzyrea   nengard?
19:26 ibot       nengard is probably a blogger at http://www.web2learning.net/
19:26 wizzyrea   nengard?
19:26 ibot       somebody said nengard was a blogger at http://www.web2learning.net/
19:26 wizzyrea   nengard?
19:26 wizzyrea   hrmnengard
19:25 nengard    find
19:25 nengard    took me forever to fnd it
19:25 nengard    thanks owen
19:25 owen       By the way nengard, I like your new blog template
19:25 nengard    oh cool :) hehe
19:25 ibot       i think Nengard is like a good speech:  short, and sweet. or a blogger
19:25 chris      Nengard?
19:25 ibot       okay, chris.
19:25 chris      nengard is also a blogger
19:24 ibot       nengard is, like, like a good speech:  short, and sweet
19:24 wizzyrea   nengard?
19:24 nengard    nope
19:24 ibot       you are like a good speech:  short, and sweet.
19:24 nengard    nengard?
19:24 nengard    nengard is a blogger at http://web2learning.net
19:24 owen       Oh, I guess ibot needs the "is"
19:24 * druthb   stands mute, and a plea of Not Guilty was entered by the court.
19:24 ibot       well, nengard is like a good speech:  short, and sweet.
19:24 owen       nengard?
19:24 ibot       nengard is like a good speech:  short, and sweet.
19:24 owen       nengard?
19:24 ibot       nengard is like a good speech:  short, and sweet.
19:24 owen       nengard?
19:24 owen       nengard has a blog at http://www.web2learning.net/
19:24 nengard    and how do we teach ibot those things?
19:23 nengard    aww :)
19:23 wizzyrea   hmm. yea, def.
19:23 ibot       i heard wizzyrea was a ray of sunshine.
19:23 wizzyrea   ibot: wizzyrea?
19:23 nengard    hmmm  yeah -- that was most certainly druthb
19:23 ibot       i heard nengard was like a good speech:  short, and sweet.
19:23 wizzyrea   ibot: nengard?
19:23 nengard    how do i ask ibot about me?
19:13 trea       heh
19:12 magnus     yay!
19:11 chris      I was close
19:11 munin      chris: The current temperature in Wellington, New Zealand is 12.0�C (8:00 AM NZDT on November 24, 2010). Conditions: Partly Cloudy. Humidity: 82%. Dew Point: 9.0�C. Pressure: 30.36 in 1028 hPa (Steady).
19:11 chris      @wunder wellington, nz
19:02 * druthb   shivers.
19:02 munin      magnus: The current temperature in Bodo, Norway is -3.0�C (7:50 PM CET on November 23, 2010). Conditions: Scattered Clouds. Humidity: 55%. Dew Point: -11.0�C. Windchill: -10.0�C. Pressure: 30.21 in 1023 hPa (Rising).
19:02 magnus     @wunder bodo, norway
19:00 * chris    waits for the 8am update its gotta be 13 at least and now no clouds
19:00 cait       it's supposed to snow tonight
19:00 cait       yeah, getting colder and colder now
18:59 * druthb   hands cait an extra cloak.
18:59 munin      cait: The current temperature in Taegerwilen, Taegerwilen, Germany is 0.7�C (7:55 PM CET on November 23, 2010). Conditions: Overcast. Humidity: 94%. Dew Point: -0.0�C. Windchill: 1.0�C. Pressure: 29.79 in 1008.7 hPa (Steady).
18:59 cait       @wunder Konstanz
18:59 munin      druthb: The current temperature in Langley Fork Park, McLean, Virginia is 19.3�C (1:59 PM EST on November 23, 2010). Conditions: Overcast. Humidity: 63%. Dew Point: 12.0�C. Pressure: 29.93 in 1013.4 hPa (Steady).
18:59 druthb     @wunder 20817
18:58 munin      chris: The current temperature in Wellington, New Zealand is 10.0�C (7:00 AM NZDT on November 24, 2010). Conditions: Partly Cloudy. Humidity: 87%. Dew Point: 8.0�C. Pressure: 30.36 in 1028 hPa (Steady).
18:58 chris      @wunder wellington, nz
18:56 ibot       i guess nengard is like a good speech:  short, and sweet.
18:56 cait       nengard?
18:52 * cait     give ibot a hug
18:52 druthb     :D
18:52 cait       aw
18:51 ibot       hmmm... cait is really sweet.
18:51 druthb     ibot:  cait?
18:48 cait       makes it easier to remember the keyword :)
18:45 ibot       meeting is probably on 8 December 2010 at 10:00 UTC+0
18:45 cait       meeting?
18:45 cait       meeting is on 8 December 2010 at 10:00 UTC+0
18:44 ibot       the next general meeting is on 8 December 2010 at 10:00 UTC+0
18:44 owen       The next general meeting?
18:44 owen       The next general meeting is on 8 December 2010 at 10:00 UTC+0
18:44 cait       c
18:44 cait       it's in the topi
18:44 magnus     yeah, meant 8 December 2010 at 10:00 UTC+0
18:43 cait       8th of december?
18:43 magnus     December 2010 at 10:00 UTC+0?
18:43 magnus     hm, it hought the next meeting was in 2 weeks time?
18:39 chris      right time to start heading out to the bus
18:39 cait       okok
18:39 chris      like that :)
18:39 ibot       hmmm... chris is craving coffee
18:39 chris      chris?
18:39 ibot       you are awake to early
18:39 chris      chris?
18:39 cait       chris - don't make ibot forget about you all the time!
18:39 chris      chris is some guy|awake to early|craving coffee
18:38 ibot       chris: I forgot chris
18:38 chris      forget chris
18:38 ibot       you are probably the friendliest of all of us
18:38 chris      chris?
18:38 * chris    figures out how to make ibot do semi random replies
18:38 ibot       git is found at http://git.koha-community.org
18:38 chris      git?
18:38 ibot       freaking rules
18:38 chris      git?
18:38 ibot       freaking rules
18:38 chris      git?
18:37 ibot       freaking rules
18:37 chris      git?
18:37 chris      git
18:36 ibot       git is found at http://git.koha-community.org
18:36 chris      git?
18:36 chris      git also freaking rules
18:35 ibot       git is, like, found at http://git.koha-community.org
18:35 chris      git?
18:34 chris      or if you are doing rebase -i
18:34 * chris_n  learns yet another new thing
18:33 chris      all the commits get made into files  under .git/rebase-apply
18:32 chris      you can edit the file then too
18:32 chris_n    I've also had that happen as well
18:32 druthb     lol
18:32 * Brooke   trudges slowly towards the door on the way to the executioner, er family event...
18:32 chris_n    that's my experience as well
18:32 chris      chris_n: but it sounds like jcamins is in the middle of a rebase
18:32 chris_n    yup
18:32 chris      chris_n: usually when i run into this its a patch thats been signed off, and the persons mailer has added another content type line
18:32 jwagner    chris just wants us (US east coast anyway) to get up VERY early tomorrow morning for no reason....
18:31 * chris_n  hands chris strong coffee
18:31 cait       don't scare us!
18:31 cait       lol
18:31 cait       what meeting?
18:31 chris      oh, whoops its a whole week away
18:31 jwagner    chris, what meeting?
18:30 chris      who can i lean on to send out a reminder email?
18:30 chris_n    jcamins:  how are you retrieving the patch?
18:30 chris      by my calculations we have 13.5 hours until meeting?
18:29 * Brooke   is actually a chat bot.
18:29 Brooke     heheh
18:29 chris      cool
18:29 ibot       you betcha chris
18:29 chris      nice day?
18:29 * ibot     does a testing dance
18:29 chris      test?
18:25 nengard    k - screencast time - will log back in when done - can't have chats popping up in my video
18:25 chris      jcamins_a: ping me when you are back, there are a few ways to deal with it
18:24 nengard    or head
18:24 nengard    and 3.4 manual will be dev branch
18:24 nengard    3.2 manual will be for 3.2.x
18:24 nengard    just so it's not a dev branch
18:23 nengard    that's fine
18:23 nengard    cool
18:23 owen       In 3.2.1 I think nengard
18:23 nengard    need to get new screenshots
18:23 nengard    thought it was something in head
18:23 nengard    wow - so the calendar did change in 3.2 - it's purty :)
18:22 jcamins    Okay, I have to run, but I'll be back to pick chris's brain on how to solve this problem tomorrow. Thanks for the help!
18:22 chris      unless you want to make changes and change to another branch
18:22 chris      which is totally fine
18:21 chris      owen that will work, but you wont be on a local branch
18:21 owen       What about: git checkout v3.02.01
18:21 chris      if you want the release, you need to check out the tag
18:21 cait       hi chris :)
18:21 cait       oh no, I missed new git tricks
18:21 chris      yes owen
18:21 chris      makes it and checks it out
18:21 owen       And that gets her the 3.2.x development branch right? Not the official release
18:21 nengard    yup :) k - thanks
18:21 chris      git checkout -b my_3.2.x origin/3.2.x
18:21 nengard    git checkout -b mywork origin/3.2.x      ??
18:20 chris      but doesnt check it out
18:20 jcamins    What if you're in the middle of a rebase when this happens?
18:20 chris      nengard: that makes a branch
18:20 nengard    that look right?
18:20 nengard    git branch -r  origin/3.2.x
18:20 jcamins    Ah.
18:20 chris      and its all happy
18:19 chris      i just edit the patch, and remove one of the lines
18:19 chris      jcamins: its usually on a signed off patch
18:19 * owen     was just about to google checking out by tag
18:19 jcamins    But with the same patch?
18:19 chris      there are 2 lines in the email header, setting content type
18:19 chris      jcamins: ive encountered it
18:19 jcamins    You can also check out by tag.
18:19 nengard    but i can figure that part out :)
18:19 owen       nengard: Although I guess that gets you 3.2.x, not official 3.2
18:18 jcamins    chris_n: hm. I wonder why no one else has encountered this problem.
18:18 chris_n    fwiw
18:18 chris_n    jcamins: the problem is probably with the email header
18:18 owen       "If you want to track the maintenance branch of an earlier version of Koha..."
18:17 nengard    i'm on the wiki i did a search but i might not be using the right syntax
18:17 owen       http://wiki.koha-community.org/wiki/Version_Control_Using_Git#Cloning_over_HTTP
18:17 owen       nengard: That's in the wiki
18:17 jcamins    Well, I won't be solving it in the next 10 minutes before I have to leave, so I'll ask again later. chris will know the answer.
18:16 nengard    got a question - how do i checkout a branch from git - i want just the 3.2 branch not head
18:15 jcamins    (according to Google)
18:15 jcamins    It appears to be unique to Koha.
18:12 jcamins    I got a "cannot convert from UTF-8utf-8 to UTF-8" error.
18:12 jcamins    Or possibly the second patch for updating the VOKAL icon set.
18:11 munin      04Bug http://bugs.koha-community.org/bugzilla3/show_bug.cgi?id=5116 minor, P5, ---, ricmarques, NEW, Duplicate and missing entries in "apt-get-debian-lenny.sh"
18:11 jcamins    Anyone else have problems applying the patch for bug 5116 when upgrading?
18:11 Brooke     Terrible sneeze, I should really have that checked.
18:11 Brooke     *sneeze*
18:11 Brooke     http://kete.library.org.nz/en/site/topics/show/171-building-fund-donations
18:11 Brooke     *sneeze*
17:54 owen       Hi
17:53 jcamins    Hello, owen.
17:53 jcamins    owen?
17:50 druthb     awww!
17:50 ibot       :)
17:50 jcamins    ibot: botsnack cookie
17:49 * druthb   gives ibot a cookie.
17:47 trea       heh
17:47 nengard    hehe
17:47 * wizzyrea pats ibot
17:46 nengard    you heard me :)
17:46 ibot       nengard: excuse me?
17:46 nengard    ibot you're so cute
17:42 jcamins    :)
17:42 jcamins    Current temperature for Bodo, Norway?
17:42 ibot       hmmm... Koha is a free software ils see http://koha-community.org for more info
17:42 jcamins    Koha?
17:41 wizzyrea   bot even.
17:41 wizzyrea   love. that. bog.
17:41 ibot       searching faq is at http://koha-community.org/documentation/faq/searching/
17:41 wizzyrea   searching faq?
17:41 ibot       faq is found at http://koha-community.org/documentation/faq/
17:41 wizzyrea   faq?
17:41 ibot       manual is at http://www.koha-community.org/documentation
17:41 wizzyrea   manual?
17:41 wizzyrea   manual?
17:41 ibot       i think documentation is at http://koha-community.org/documentation/
17:41 wizzyrea   documentation?
17:40 jcamins    Seeing as how I was the one who programmed postfix installation documentation a few hours ago and I couldn't remember it.
17:40 jcamins    Yeah, probably.
17:39 wizzyrea   single words probably easier to remember
17:39 ibot       postfix installation documentation is at https://help.ubuntu.com/community/Postfix
17:39 ibot       postfix is found at https://help.ubuntu.com/community/Postfix
17:39 jcamins    ibot: where is postfix installation documentation?
17:39 wizzyrea   postfix?
17:38 wizzyrea   postfix?
17:38 ibot       no idea, jcamins
17:38 jcamins    ibot: where is postfix?
17:38 wizzyrea   hrmph.
17:38 wizzyrea   help with postfix?
17:37 druthb     :)  I had a history prof in college who pointed out that mis-spelling one President's name with that of another was a serious typo.
17:37 kf         ok, time to go - see you later :)
17:37 ibot       it has been said that postfix is found at https://help.ubuntu.com/community/Postfix
17:37 wizzyrea   postfix?
17:37 jcamins    druthb: correct wording counts!
17:36 druthb     spelling counts.
17:36 jcamins    There we go.
17:36 wizzyrea   aha
17:36 ibot       hmmm... postfix installation documentation is at https://help.ubuntu.com/community/Postfix
17:36 jcamins    postfix installation documentation?
17:36 jcamins    Whoops.
17:36 ibot       wizzyrea: sorry...
17:36 wizzyrea   ibot: postfix installation instructions
17:36 kf         hmpf! :)
17:36 kf         I didn't mean that fact...
17:36 ibot       pdf manual is found at http://koha-community.org/wp-content/uploads/kohadocs/en/koha3-2manual-en.pdf
17:36 wizzyrea   pdf manual
17:36 wizzyrea   hrmph.
17:36 wizzyrea   postfix?
17:36 jcamins    postfix installation instructions?
17:35 kf         hm
17:35 wizzyrea   manual?
17:35 ibot       i heard cait was a developer! or a librarian
17:35 kf         cait?
17:35 wizzyrea   i fixed, sorry
17:35 jcamins    Better?
17:35 ibot       cait is a developer! or a librarian
17:35 jcamins    ibot: cait?
17:34 ibot       ...but cait is not a very sweet girl...
17:34 jcamins    ibot: No, cait is a developer! or a librarian
17:34 wizzyrea   wrong!
17:34 wizzyrea   no no
17:34 wizzyrea   aww
17:34 ibot       cait is not a very sweet girl
17:34 wizzyrea   cait?
17:34 wizzyrea   cait
17:34 jcamins    ibot: help corrections
17:34 jcamins    Or "No, ..."?
17:33 jcamins    I think <replace>?
17:33 kf         I tried is not... but didn't work
17:33 kf         can oyu make im forget a single fact?
17:33 kf         ah
17:33 trea       heh
17:33 wizzyrea   x is also y
17:33 ibot       wizzyrea: huh?
17:33 wizzyrea   ibot will add one to your description if you say
17:33 * kf       blushes
17:32 wizzyrea   aha
17:32 ibot       somebody said cait was a developer! or a librarian or a very sweet girl
17:32 wizzyrea   cait?
17:32 kf         hmpf!
17:32 ibot       cait is probably a developer! or a librarian
17:32 jcamins    ibot: cait?
17:32 jcamins    kf: yes, go home.
17:31 kf         chris is writing mails - a good indicator I shouldn't be still at work right now
17:30 kmkale     good night
17:28 jcamins    Right.
17:28 jcamins    Ah.
17:28 wizzyrea   where simpler = fewer steps
17:27 wizzyrea   especially if you're starting from scratch
17:27 jcamins    That's true, but that's the easy part.
17:27 wizzyrea   (yet)
17:27 wizzyrea   lots of stuff in there can be combined, or run sequentially without a human typing it in. Not a lot is system specific < qualified, since I haven't seriously pursued a one script to rule them all
17:26 jcamins    wizzyrea: I'm having trouble imagining how you could make it much simpler than it already is.
17:25 wizzyrea   i do love writing shell scripts.
17:23 druthb     doo eeeet!
17:22 wizzyrea   *shrug* I suppose the only thing to do is just do it an see if it flies.
17:22 wizzyrea   plus, there are folks who probably wouldnt' want people running shell scripts (most often) as root
17:21 wizzyrea   I want to do a suite of shell scripts for the source install, but I sense that the packages might be taking over (rightfully)
17:20 wizzyrea   I actually think we can make install.x much simpler
17:14 kf         never look at that
17:14 kf         perhaps in non-xslt
17:14 kf         not sure
17:14 kf         and subscriptionhistory too
17:14 jcamins    I bet authoritysep isn't even really used anymore, is it?
17:13 kf         like StaffSerialIssueDisplayCount - is cataloging now, could be staff - but I would search it in Serials
17:13 jcamins    I would've thought it would go in Authorities, too.
17:13 kf         and alot of things would match different categories easily
17:13 kf         perhaps I am just thinking different :)
17:13 jcamins    I still don't know.
17:13 kf         standard is --
17:13 jcamins    Ah.
17:12 kf         the signs that show between your authorities I think
17:11 jcamins    I don't know. What does it do?
17:11 kf         hm, and authoritysep is under cataloging - why not authorities?
17:09 * jcamins  adds this to his to-do list.
17:08 jcamins    See, we need to make this more clear in the INSTALL.debian.
17:07 * wizzyrea loves debian for this reason
17:07 wizzyrea   (very often)
17:07 wizzyrea   ooh, and jinx
17:07 jcamins    trea: I'm all for teaching people to fish, but installing software in Debian really is as easy as typing "apt-get install whatever."
17:07 wizzyrea   magnus: thanks
17:07 hdl        magnus_a: tx for the photos btw
17:05 trea       jcamins: the sysadmin in me thinks to just script/automate as much as possible, but that isn't teaching one to fish. then again, if the goal is a working koha install, then you're not teaching people to fish anyway
17:04 magnus     wizzyrea: yes, Hoeppner (i suspect that's really Höppner?)
17:04 jcamins    wizzyrea: so it would seem.
17:04 jcamins    Which makes me think that the documentation needs to be more explicit that it's not necessary.
17:03 wizzyrea   but they want to install koha on their PS2!
17:03 jcamins    trea: yeah, but people keep on wanting to download stuff from perl.org and apache.org and who knows where else and install it manually.
17:02 wizzyrea   Hoeppner?
17:02 wizzyrea   does anybody remember what Kristina's last name is?
17:02 trea       debian koha install I meant to say
17:02 trea       jcamins: i had the pleasure of doing my first debian install on a virtualbox system a month or so ago; i found it downright pleasant compared to some other installs i've had
17:01 markk      last time i had problems with barcodes not being incremented ... it was solved in the 3.2 live cd version. but my question now is how to make the incrementation to be +1 not as it is now just replacing the far left 0 by 1 for every new barcode.
17:00 jcamins    Hello, markk.
17:00 jcamins    trea: exactly. I sure liked how easy it was to install Koha.
16:58 markk      hello all
16:55 trea       "try it. you might like it."
16:55 wizzyrea   lol
16:55 jcamins    I think maybe we need to revise INSTALL.debian to say at the very top "THIS WILL INSTALL ALL DEPENDENCIES. REALLY. JUST TRY IT. IT MIGHT WORK. I SWEAR."
16:51 magnus     yeah, i think opac would be the first place i would look for it...
16:47 kf         perhaps opac would be better?
16:46 kf         hm, does it make sense to have virtualshelves  unter administration in the sys pref editor?
16:45 magnus     hi, flying fox!
16:45 hdl        hi all
16:37 chris_n    heya kmkale
16:37 sophie_m   sorry
16:37 sophie_m   chris_n is wright :-[
16:37 kmkale     hi chris_n
16:37 * chris_n  thinks maybe sophie_m is typing in the wrong window ;-)
16:36 sophie_m   hdl MT4940 : je n'avais pas noté que c'était à moi de le reprendre. Tu pourrais me donner quelques indications ?
16:35 sophie_m   hdl : MT3759 (fichiers pour import QRGA) c'est résolu ?
16:04 ebegin     ok, i'll look at it.
16:03 jcamins    It might be possible to change the type of index, but I don't know what you'd change it to.
16:03 jcamins    Probably not.
16:03 jcamins    Hm.
16:02 ebegin     jcamins, can it be done using a range? for example 2000-
16:01 jcamins    ebegin: I'm not sure how you'd do it with limits, but you could add a search option using jquery. The index is copydate.
15:59 ebegin     I'm tying to limit the date using the content of 260$c (date of publication) instead of the 008/07-10 value.  Is this possible?
15:53 Elwell     depending what ibot's based on
15:53 Elwell     http://echelog.matzon.dk/logs/browse/supybot/1259017200 (you may want to set supybot.plugins.Relay.punishOtherRelayBots )
15:53 wizzyrea   elwell: /msg ibot help
15:52 ibot       Elwell: excuse me?
15:52 Elwell     ibot: list
15:52 collum     A belated hi to magnus. :)
15:49 wizzyrea   ok sorry back to real work
15:49 trea       <.<
15:49 trea       >.>
15:49 trea       uh ^.^
15:48 ibot       rumour has it trea is a fan of bot fights
15:48 wizzyrea   trea?
15:48 druthb     lol
15:48 trea       noooooo
15:48 ibot       i haven't a clue, wizzyrea
15:48 wizzyrea   ibot: trea?
15:47 trea       i want to watch them fight. is that so wrong?
15:47 jcamins    I hope so.
15:47 wizzyrea   i wonder if you can teach ibot to ignore certain users (munin, for example)
15:46 ibot       i heard current temperature in Bodo, Norway was -6.0�C (4:20 PM CET on November 23, 2010). Conditions: Partly Cloudy. Humidity: 68%. Dew Point: -11.0�C. Windchill: -14.0�C. Pressure: 30.15 in 1021 hPa (Steady).
15:46 jcamins    current temperature in Bodo, Norway?
15:46 wizzyrea   that does seem odd doesn't it
15:46 wizzyrea   omg our bots are talking
15:46 magnus     huh, how can the windchill be warmer then the actual temp?
15:45 munin      wizzyrea: The current temperature in Lawrence Live-Courtesy of the Khoury's, Lawrence, Kansas is -0.4�C (9:45 AM CST on November 23, 2010). Conditions: Haze. Humidity: 85%. Dew Point: -3.0�C. Windchill: 0.0�C. Pressure: 30.31 in 1026.3 hPa (Steady).
15:45 munin      magnus: Error: No such location could be found.
15:45 wizzyrea   @wunder 66047
15:45 magnus     @wunder sulitjelma, norway
15:45 munin      kf: The current temperature in Taegerwilen, Taegerwilen, Germany is 1.2�C (4:45 PM CET on November 23, 2010). Conditions: Light Rain. Humidity: 92%. Dew Point: 0.0�C. Windchill: 1.0�C. Pressure: 29.75 in 1007.3 hPa (Steady).
15:45 kf         @wunder Konstanz
15:45 munin      magnus: The current temperature in Fauske Sentrum, Fauske, Norway is -8.9�C (4:45 PM CET on November 23, 2010). Conditions: Partly Cloudy. Humidity: 70%. Dew Point: -13.0�C. Windchill: -9.0�C. Pressure: 30.15 in 1020.9 hPa (Steady).
15:45 magnus     @wunder rognan, norway
15:45 magnus     ?
15:44 ibot       i already had it that way, munin.
15:44 munin      magnus: The current temperature in Bodo, Norway is -6.0�C (4:20 PM CET on November 23, 2010). Conditions: Partly Cloudy. Humidity: 68%. Dew Point: -11.0�C. Windchill: -14.0�C. Pressure: 30.15 in 1021 hPa (Steady).
15:44 magnus     @wunder saltdal, norway
15:44 trea       heh. that was my next thing to do
15:44 munin      ebegin: The current temperature in Montreal, Quebec is 4.0�C (10:18 AM EST on November 23, 2010). Conditions: Light Rain. Humidity: N/A%. Windchill: 1.0�C. Pressure: (Falling).
15:44 ebegin     @wunder montreal, canada
15:44 magnus     apart from that: not too bad... ;-)
15:44 munin      magnus: The current temperature in Bodo, Norway is -6.0�C (4:20 PM CET on November 23, 2010). Conditions: Partly Cloudy. Humidity: 68%. Dew Point: -11.0�C. Windchill: -14.0�C. Pressure: 30.15 in 1021 hPa (Steady).
15:44 magnus     @wunder bodo, norway
15:43 trea       how's norway today?
15:42 trea       kia ora magnus
15:42 magnus     hiya trea
15:42 kf         poor thing
15:42 ibot       kf: i don't know
15:42 kf         ibot: where do you live?
15:41 kf         right :)
15:41 kf         hehe
15:41 wizzyrea   hehe
15:41 ibot       rumour has it chris is a huge rugby fan
15:41 wizzyrea   chris?
15:41 jcamins    magnus: yes, I know.
15:41 kf         wizzyrea: you have 1 guess
15:41 wizzyrea   and he/she needs a name
15:41 wizzyrea   so whose grand idea was ibot?
15:40 magnus     try "ibot help" to see available commands - in private ;-)
15:38 jcamins    :)
15:38 ibot       i am still small - he needs to learn more :)
15:38 jcamins    ibot: what are you?
15:38 nengard    cute
15:38 nengard    I get it :)
15:38 nengard    oh! - that's a bot!!!
15:38 nengard    wizzyrea - didn't we have the manual in pdf already
15:38 kf         oh
15:37 kf         nengard?
15:37 ibot       well, manual pdf is found at http://koha-community.org/wp-content/uploads/kohadocs/en/koha3-2manual-en.pdf
15:37 wizzyrea   manual pdf
15:37 wizzyrea   pdf manual
15:37 wizzyrea   nengard you will love this
15:32 ibot       wizzyrea: sorry...
15:32 wizzyrea   ibot: I love you
15:31 ibot       i guess manual pdf is found at http://koha-community.org/wp-content/uploads/kohadocs/en/koha3-2manual-en.pdf
15:31 wizzyrea   manual pdf
15:28 ibot       chris is the most helpful guy
15:28 wizzyrea   chris?
15:27 druthb     sure 'nuf...you can.
15:26 druthb     Wonder if you can feed it more than two choices for the terms?
15:25 wizzyrea   so. very. handy
15:25 ibot       mailing lists are found at http://koha-community.org/support/koha-mailing-lists/
15:25 wizzyrea   mailing lists?
15:24 druthb     WOO HOO!
15:24 ibot       well, druthb is a geek
15:24 druthb     druthb?
15:24 ibot       i guess druthb is fond of cookies.
15:24 druthb     druthb?
15:24 ibot       somebody said druthb was fond of cookies.
15:24 druthb     druthb?
15:24 ibot       you are fond of cookies.
15:24 druthb     druthb?
15:24 ibot       support is found at http://koha-community.org/support/
15:24 ibot       OK, druthb.
15:24 wizzyrea   support?
15:24 druthb     ibot:  druthb is a geek|fond of cookies.
15:24 ibot       druthb: I forgot druthb
15:24 druthb     ibot:  forget druthb
15:24 druthb     ooo....
15:23 ibot       koha community events are found at http://koha-community.org/category/events/
15:23 wizzyrea   koha community events
15:23 jcamins    ibot: help?
15:23 wizzyrea   community events?
15:23 wizzyrea   i love ibot.
15:23 kf         can we keep him? plz?
15:22 kf         he is nice
15:22 ibot       paste is found at http://paste.koha-community.org
15:22 wizzyrea   paste?
15:22 druthb     grooooooovy.
15:22 ibot       the faq is found at http://koha-community.org/documentation/faq/
15:22 druthb     ibot: where is the faq?
15:22 druthb     hm...
15:22 ibot       bugzilla is found at http://bugs.koha-community.org
15:22 wizzyrea   bugzilla?
15:22 ibot       git is, like, found at http://git.koha-community.org
15:22 wizzyrea   git?
15:22 ibot       OK, jcamins.
15:22 jcamins    ibot: koha livecd is at http://mizstik.com/projects/koha-livecd/
15:22 druthb     lol
15:21 ibot       rumour has it i am still small - he needs to learn more :)
15:21 druthb     ibot:  ibot?
15:21 druthb     Hrm.
15:20 jcamins    Okay, good. It can handle multiple words.
15:20 ibot       searching faq is at http://koha-community.org/documentation/faq/searching/
15:20 jcamins    searching faq?
15:20 wizzyrea   there we go
15:20 ibot       i heard faq was found at http://koha-community.org/documentation/faq/
15:20 wizzyrea   ibot: faq?
15:20 jcamins    wiki faq?
15:20 jcamins    Hrm.
15:20 wizzyrea   lulz ;)
15:20 ibot       hmmm... faq is found at http://koha-community.org/documentation/faq/searching/
15:20 wizzyrea   faq?
15:19 ibot       it has been said that searching faq is at http://koha-community.org/documentation/faq/searching/
15:19 jcamins    searching faq?
15:19 ibot       OK, jcamins.
15:19 jcamins    ibot: searching faq is at http://koha-community.org/documentation/faq/searching/
15:19 wizzyrea   hrmph.
15:19 ibot       wizzyrea: bugger all, i dunno
15:19 wizzyrea   ibot: faq?
15:18 ibot       no idea, wizzyrea
15:18 wizzyrea   ibot faq?
15:18 wizzyrea   hrm
15:18 ibot       wizzyrea: huh?
15:18 wizzyrea   ibot: faq
15:18 rhcl       substitute ketchup for cream, slap 'em on some bread, slice the potatoes & fry 'em = Happy meal
15:18 wizzyrea   faq
15:17 ibot       jcamins: no idea
15:17 jcamins    ibot: search help?
15:17 wizzyrea   search help
15:17 wizzyrea   search
15:17 jcamins    Woohoo!
15:17 ibot       postfix installation documentation is probably at https://help.ubuntu.com/community/Postfix
15:17 jcamins    postfix installation documentation?
15:17 druthb     Meatballs with a cream sauce and capers, and potatoes boiled in salt water.
15:17 kf         search problem?
15:17 kf         search?
15:17 ibot       OK, jcamins.
15:17 jcamins    ibot: postfix installation documentation is at https://help.ubuntu.com/community/Postfix
15:16 rhcl       almost
15:16 ibot       rumour has it documentation is at http://koha-community.org/documentation/
15:16 wizzyrea   documentation?
15:16 kf         rhcl: hm not quite the same
15:16 rhcl       I'm hungry
15:16 rhcl       königsberger klopse mit salzkartoffeln = meatballs and potatoes, or in English, Hamburgers and french fries
15:16 ibot       no idea, jcamins
15:16 jcamins    ibot: postfix installation instructions?
15:16 wizzyrea   oh THIS is HANDY
15:16 wizzyrea   OHHHHH
15:15 kf         I think was works too :)
15:14 magnus     :-)
15:14 ibot       hmmm... magnus is an awesome fellow.
15:14 druthb     magnus?
15:14 druthb     magnus is an awesome fellow.
15:13 druthb     you can tell it something with <user> is <foo>.  It'll remember that until told to forget it.
15:13 wizzyrea   mmm hmm.
15:13 ibot       wizzyrea: i haven't a clue
15:13 wizzyrea   ibot: magnus?
15:13 druthb     ooooo.
15:13 wizzyrea   oooo
15:13 ibot       wish i knew, wizzyrea
15:13 wizzyrea   ibot: chris?
15:13 wizzyrea   hehe
15:13 ibot       hmmm... cait is a developer! or a librarian
15:13 wizzyrea   ibot: cait?
15:12 ibot       it has been said that kf is an excellent cook: she makes tasty königsberger klopse mit salzkartoffeln.
15:12 druthb     ibot: kf?
15:12 wizzyrea   aha!
15:12 ibot       i think jcamins is supposed to be an outstanding cook.
15:12 druthb     ibot:  jcamins?
15:12 wizzyrea   wonder why
15:12 wizzyrea   hm
15:12 ibot       wizzyrea: i haven't a clue
15:12 wizzyrea   ibot: jcamins?
15:12 jcamins    :(
15:12 ibot       no idea, jcamins
15:12 jcamins    ibot: jcamins?
15:12 druthb     :)
15:11 ibot       druthb is a big fan of cookies.
15:11 jcamins    ibot: druthb?
15:11 wizzyrea   good morning to you too
15:11 wizzyrea   !
15:11 druthb     :D
15:11 ibot       wizzyrea is a ray of sunshine.
15:11 druthb     ibot:  wizzyrea?
15:10 munin      wizzyrea: The operation succeeded.
15:10 wizzyrea   @later tell chris_n wondering if the ohloh mirrors for 3.2.1 have been set up, but it's no rush.
15:09 druthb     hi, wizzyrea!
15:09 munin      wizzyrea: chris_n was last seen in #koha 2 hours, 24 minutes, and 19 seconds ago: <chris_n> and will have a look as soon as things settle down here
15:09 wizzyrea   @seen chris_n
15:07 magnus     hiya collum
15:00 magnus     bigbrovar: cool! :-)
15:00 bigbrovar  magnus: thank you so much. using the r switch like totally worked :)
15:00 sekjal     hi, kf
14:59 schuster   Hey all!!  working on my secret kidspac project.  Oh drat not a secret anymore! HA!  finally getting around to coming back to it.
14:57 magnus     hi schuster
14:57 jcamins    Hello kf.
14:56 kf         hi jcamins and sekjal
14:55 bigbrovar  ok
14:54 magnus     bigbrovar: how did you index? you need to use the -r switch, i think
14:52 bigbrovar  magnus: followed the bulkmarcimport link and used that. still old deleted records still show up in opac search. even after indexing
14:51 kmkale     and the capability of repairing data is awesome ofcourse
14:49 kmkale     yup
14:48 magnus     openlibrary.org could perhaps be of interest too?
14:48 kmkale     there is also fetch by url. maybe usefull for Indian books from sources like indcat
14:44 kmkale     magnus: json probabely. cause in filters you use jsonish
14:44 magnus     kmkale: do you know how gr talks to freebase? json? rdf?
14:43 kmkale     magnus: I get a *lot* of minuscule catalogs as part of working on the granthalaya.org project. It would be a great help if we can extract more biblio fields from freebase or some other sources using a tool like google refine.
14:42 magnus     g'day jcamins - and welcome!
14:41 jcamins    magnus++ # for inspiring me to make pizza for dinner yesterday
14:41 druthb     hi, jcamins. :)
14:41 sekjal     morning, jcamins!
14:41 jcamins    Good morning, #koha
14:41 magnus     kmkale: sounds like fun!
14:36 * kmkale   is trying out google refine reconcile with freebase on book titles and isbn
14:34 * magnus   waves back at druthb
14:34 * druthb   waves at magnus.
14:32 bigbrovar  magnus:  thanks
14:32 magnus     another way is to use the -d switch to bulkmarcimport.pl: http://perldoc.koha-community.org/misc/migration_tools/bulkmarcimport.html
14:32 magnus     bigbrovar: deleting from biblio, biblioitems and items is one way to do it - but until you reindex with zebra you will still get the old search results
14:30 bigbrovar  I want to start like I have never imported anything before.. like a fresh install
14:30 bigbrovar  I did delete from biblio in mysql but when I search I still see entries which are suppose to be deleted. even though click them gives a 404 msg
14:29 bigbrovar  I want to start afresh
14:29 bigbrovar  magnus: complete records I guess
14:28 magnus     bigbrovar: just items or complete records?
14:28 bigbrovar  like how can delete every previously imported items in koha and start from scratch
14:27 kf         sorry, I am not sure I understand your question
14:24 bigbrovar  now is there a way I can delete everything item in bib and start from scratch?
14:23 bigbrovar  kf: thanks adding both 952a and b seems to have fixed the refine search  by library problem.
14:15 kf         hehe
13:42 * druthb   has gotten into elaborate mime acts with cooks who don't speak English much, a few times.
13:40 druthb     Oh, I could pick at it and figure out enough to keep from starving, I suspect.  Kartoffeln are a staple pretty-much everywhere, just a matter of figuring out how they prepare 'em.
13:39 kf         pootle is back
13:39 kf         so ordering should be no problem
13:39 kf         menu
13:39 kf         ah; I think you coudl already guess most of the things on the meno
13:37 sekjal     hi, druthb!
13:37 druthb     hi, sekjal.  :)
13:37 druthb     Sometime about 2030, I might have enough German to be able to order a meal in a restaurant, and find the ladies' room and airport.  Little bit o' progress at a time..
13:36 * druthb   is enjoying learning German, a little at a time.
13:35 kf         pootle is down for me - can someone else check?
13:35 ibot       cait is a developer! or a librarian
13:35 kf         cait?
13:34 kf         I should not teach you German
13:34 kf         oh my
13:34 * druthb   grins.
13:34 ibot       i guess kf is an excellent cook: she makes tasty königsberger klopse mit salzkartoffeln.
13:34 druthb     kf?
13:32 * druthb   cheerfully gets to it.
13:31 * jwagner  tells druthb to quit cackling and get to work!
13:30 * druthb   cackles.
13:30 jwagner    Harrumph!
13:30 ibot       you are not good at making druthb miserable.
13:30 jwagner    jwagner?
13:30 jwagner    jwagner is very good at making druthb miserable!
13:30 ibot       hmmm... jwagner is not good at making druthb miserable.
13:30 druthb     jwagner?
13:30 druthb     jwagner is not good at making druthb miserable.
13:30 * druthb   laughs evilly.
13:29 kf         ah, chris made him forget that... wah confusing
13:29 druthb     jwagner?
13:29 kf         chris?
13:29 kf         I wanted i... to forget what he knows about chris being tired
13:29 * druthb   glares at ibot.
13:29 ibot       i heard kf was trying to make him forget that :)
13:29 druthb     kf?
13:29 druthb     kf is talented and fun.
13:28 kf         although I liked it better what he said about me before that *sniffs*
13:28 ibot       kf is trying to make him forget that :)
13:28 druthb     kf?
13:28 kf         he is picky
13:28 kf         hehe
13:27 * druthb   scratches her head.
13:27 ibot       kf is trying to make him forget that :)
13:27 druthb     kf?
13:27 jwagner    Pretty soon the bots are going to outnumber the humans on this channel....
13:27 ibot       hmmm... kf is trying to make him forget that :)
13:27 druthb     kf?
13:27 druthb     kf is a good cook; she makes an excellent königsberger klopse mit salzkartoffeln.
13:27 druthb     Hm.
13:25 kmkale     i see ibot is a instant hit
13:17 gmcharlt   ibot: help
13:16 * druthb   is miserable-proof today.  She hands jwagner a plate of Eggs Benedict.
13:16 jwagner    Poacher!
13:15 munin      druthb: Quote #102: "<druthb> harrrumph!" (added by gmcharlt at 07:42 PM, November 11, 2010)
13:15 druthb     @quote get 102
13:15 jwagner    Harrumph
13:15 * druthb   giggles.
13:15 kf         jwagner: I am only teaching ibot - facts he need to know!
13:15 ibot       it has been said that druthb is a big fan of cookies.
13:15 kf         druthb?
13:15 kf         druthb is a big fan of cookies.
13:15 jwagner    kf, quit tempting druthb -- I need to keep her nose to the grindstone!
13:14 ibot       kf: I forgot druthb
13:14 * druthb   loves cookies.
13:14 kf         ibot: forget druthb
13:14 druthb     yes?
13:14 ibot       druthb is loves cookies.
13:14 kf         druthb?
13:14 kf         hmpf, bad sentence
13:14 kf         druthb is loves cookies.
13:13 kf         druthb?
13:12 bigbrovar  kf: thanks guess I would keep it but make it consistent with 952$a
13:11 kf         bigbrovar: but it probably doesn't hurt to store it there too
13:11 bigbrovar  kmkale: ok thanks
13:11 kmkale     bigbrovar: look at the koha to marc mapping link
13:11 bigbrovar  although I also have collums for holding library and owning library which I have mapped to 952$ a and b respectifully
13:11 kf         you don't need 852 to make koha work correctly
13:11 kf         ah ok
13:10 bigbrovar  kf: no reason particularly :) .. I am new at all this  I guess I would remove the tag altogether. I am using marcedit to migrate the shreadsheet data to marc and location is one of the colum which I mapped to 852$a
13:09 druthb     hi, kmkale! :)
13:09 kmkale     hi druthb
13:09 kmkale     thanks daniel but I was just repeating what someone else pointed out
13:08 daniel     kmkale++
13:07 druthb     your answer to bigbrovar.  You beat me to it.
13:07 kf         bigbrovar: why do you want to fill the 852 tag?
13:07 kf         druthb: huh?
13:07 daniel     kmkale, thanks for that tip on google refine--i missed the news on that
13:06 bigbrovar  kf: ok can I use one of the branch libraries created as the value for the 852$a tag
13:06 daniel     morning kf
13:06 druthb     kf++
13:06 kf         morning daniel :)
13:06 daniel     good morning
13:05 kf         bigbrovar: so staying witht he koha standard is the best way
13:05 kf         bigbrovar: theoretically you can configure koha to use a different field for items, but practically you would have to edit the zebra files too - because the indexes will be all wrong
13:05 kf         bigbrovar: no
13:03 hdl        hi
13:03 ebegin     hi jwagner ;)
13:02 bigbrovar  can they be used interchangeably
13:01 bigbrovar  could someone please explain to me the difference btw the 852$a marc tag and koha's 952$a and b tags
13:01 jwagner    Bonjour ebegin
12:56 ebegin     good morning everyone
12:55 * jwagner  plans to work hard on the problem....
12:54 * druthb   wonders what jwagner will come up with today to try to make her life miserable.  She was batting .000 yesterday.
12:48 kf         so I don't forget it
12:48 munin      kf: The operation succeeded.
12:48 kf         @later tell chris can you update the po files for 3.2 some time? there are a lot of new strings that were previously not translatable and some fuzzy stuff - would be nice to get it into 3.2.2 :)
12:45 jwagner    Guten tag kf
12:45 chris_n    and will have a look as soon as things settle down here
12:44 * chris_n  thinks you are correct about the authority problem
12:44 kf         hi jwagner
12:44 kf         ah ok
12:44 kf         if not perhaps someone linked an authority, tried to delete it later, but couldn't delete the $9 field, because it was not visible
12:44 chris_n    yes
12:44 kf         I thought more about it - are your $9 fields visible in the framework?
12:43 chris_n    this has been a busy time due to a coworker being in the hospital
12:43 kf         german is at 100% - but the strings are missing from the files
12:43 kf         yeah, because the po files need an update
12:43 chris_n    I did
12:43 kf         did you get my mail about your record?
12:43 chris_n    I did speak with chris prior to the 3.2.1 release and it seems that only a few patches were available for the translation related files which were included
12:43 kf         and owen did some nice patches to make some things translatable
12:42 kf         perhaps still some strings will escape, but not so many
12:42 kf         that was my thought :)
12:42 chris_n    so if there are updated po files available in the days before 3.2.2, we'll be glad to include them:)
12:42 kf         ok, will ask chris about it
12:41 chris_n    fredericd does not have his site up yet I think
12:41 kf         so wanted to tell you that and ask fredericd about it later :)
12:41 chris_n    I think there is some latency in the transfer of translation-manager
12:41 chris_n    kf: sure
12:40 kf         3.2.1
12:40 kf         because we have some string changes and new strings that show up in English now in 3.2
12:40 kf         I only wanted to ask if it's possible to update the po files a few days before the next release
12:40 * chris_n  just came back from breakfast :)
12:40 chris_n    lunch++
12:40 kf         just came back from lunch
12:40 kf         ah good timing
12:39 chris_n    kf: here now for just a moment
11:54 kmkale     google refine. what a tool !!
11:23 kf         fredericd: around?
11:21 kf         probably a bit too early
11:21 kf         chris_n: around?
11:11 kf         hi Amit
11:11 kmkale     hi Amit
11:11 kmkale     yup adding a tag in marcedit will be much simpler and faster
11:11 bigbrovar  kf yeah I think so too. I am already on it
11:10 bigbrovar  kmkale:  yeah I have imported them to catalog. but the koha is still not yet in use. I am still working on it even though once all issues are resolved it should be open to the public soon
11:10 Amit       heya kf, kmkale
11:10 kf         depending on the number of your items
11:09 kf         but reimporting would be perhaps faster, if you are still testing and not using the data
11:09 kf         bigbrovar: in 3.2 you can use the batch edit item tool
11:04 kmkale     bigbrovar: have you already started using the migrated data?
10:59 bigbrovar  kf: is there a way to batch edit imported items and add the 95$a tag? because items where batch imported from a mrc file migrated from spreadsheet
10:46 kf         sorry, accidently closed window
10:42 kf         and test if search works after that
10:42 kf         you could try and change some items
10:42 kf         and yes, both
10:41 kf         ah, I thought about using sql to look what is in your database
10:41 bigbrovar  and what what do u mean by "items table ant the marcxml field" how do I do that. (I am very new at koha and linux too )
10:40 bigbrovar  kf: so it MOST be 952$a and 952$b and not just 952$b?
10:37 kf         you could try and check your items table ant the marcxml field
10:37 kf         no, 952$a and $b are the fields
10:36 bigbrovar  search only works when I search all libraries
10:36 bigbrovar  any time I tell koha to search items in a particular library it always comes up with zero result. even though the book searched belongs to that library
10:35 bigbrovar  Hi guys. is there a way to attach an item to a library branch other using the 952$b tag. I have created two libraries and every item in our catalog is mapped to a particular librarie using the code I created for that library. when I search all seems to be fine. Just that I can not seem to get refined search by library to work
10:28 magnus     hm, i won't...
10:27 kf         hm. you should not click on the link ibot is suggesting...
10:19 kf         ibot help
10:15 munin      magnus: Karma for "kf" has been increased 33 times and decreased 0 times for a total karma of 33.
10:15 magnus     @karma kf
10:15 ibot       kf has karma of 1
10:15 magnus     karma for kf
10:11 kmkale     bbl
10:09 ibot       i guess documentation is at http://koha-community.org/documentation/
10:09 magnus     documentation?
10:09 magnus     documentation is at http://koha-community.org/documentation/
10:05 kmkale     cool
10:02 kmkale     ibot help
10:02 magnus     sorry try "ibot help"
10:02 magnus     well, try "member:ibot help" and it will talk to you in private...
10:00 kmkale     not a very helpful creature our ibot
09:59 magnus     ibot help
09:59 kmkale     ;(
09:59 ibot       kmkale: bugger all, i dunno
09:59 kmkale     ibot do you know any other tricks?
09:58 ibot       somebody said Thane was a city of lakes on the outskirts of Mumbai, India.
09:58 kmkale     Thane?
09:58 kmkale     Thane is a city of lakes on the outskirts of Mumbai, India.
09:58 kmkale     Thane?
09:54 chris      s'ok
09:54 kf         sorry
09:54 chris      yeah, computer beeps
09:53 kf         heard us shouting your name?
09:53 ibot       chris: i haven't a clue
09:53 chris      ibot: .no?
09:53 chris      had a nap, woke up again :)
09:53 magnus     chris?
09:53 kf         you were tired - why are you still here?
09:52 kf         :)
09:52 kf         hey
09:52 ibot       chris: I forgot chris
09:52 chris      ibot: forget chris
09:52 kf         grr
09:52 ibot       i think chris is great or tired
09:52 kf         chris?
09:52 kf         chris is not tired
09:52 kf         I am trying to make him forget that :)
09:52 kf         hm, no, I taught him to say chirs is great and chris added the tired part
09:52 kmkale     hehe so it picks up only the first time use
09:51 ibot       rumour has it Konstanz is a town in Germany, near to the Swiss border
09:51 kf         Konstanz?
09:51 kf         no, he didn't believe me :)
09:51 kmkale     humm teher ibot did not glob kf's sentence
09:51 kf         Konstanz is a town in Germany, near to the Swiss border.
09:50 ibot       chris is great or tired
09:50 kmkale     chris?
09:50 kf         chris told me he picks up things with is/was
09:50 magnus     or maybe just "something is something"...
09:49 ibot       xyz is cool!
09:49 magnus     xyz?
09:49 magnus     xyz is cool!
09:49 magnus     xyz?
09:49 magnus     looks like you just have to start with a nick
09:46 kmkale     or you have to run some command?
09:46 kmkale     so ibot globs anything starting with a nick?
09:46 kmkale     yes chris++
09:45 kf         chris++
09:45 kmkale     and kf++
09:45 kmkale     ibot++
09:45 ibot       somebody said cait was a developer! or a librarian
09:45 kf         cait?
09:45 kmkale     :)
09:45 ibot       it has been said that kmkale is a good developer, providing unit tests for his patches.
09:45 kf         kmkale?
09:45 kf         kmkale is a good developer, providing unit tests for his patches.
09:44 kf         kmkale: you can talk to it too
09:44 ibot       koha is a free software ils see http://koha-community.org for more info
09:44 kf         koha?
09:43 kf         ibot is still small - he needs to learn more :)
09:43 Yemeni     oh ibot they should've updated your kb, at least
09:43 ibot       i haven't a clue, yemeni
09:43 Yemeni     ibot, do you know how to install koha?
09:43 Yemeni     lol
09:43 Yemeni     iboot, do you know how to install koha?
09:42 kmkale     I want one too :((
09:41 kmkale     wow chris is got an ibot and kf can talk to it. how cool is that? ;)
09:40 Yemeni     I have a fully configured fedora server, so I'm doing my best not to format it
09:39 kf         hmpf.
09:39 ibot       it has been said that chris is great or tired
09:39 kf         chris?
09:39 kf         chris is always great and only sometimes tired.
09:39 Yemeni     lol
09:39 ibot       yes, kf?
09:39 kf         ibot?
09:39 kf         chris is only sometimes tired
09:39 ibot       ...but chris is great or tired...
09:39 kf         ibot: chris is great and sometimes tired
09:38 ibot       it has been said that chris is great or tired
09:38 kf         chris?
09:37 kf         I have only done it on ubuntu.
09:35 Yemeni     could anyone confirm a (non sluggish) clean installation of Koha 3.2 on Fedora 13?
09:35 Yemeni     Hello world
09:03 kmkale     hi magnus
09:02 magnus     hi kmkale
08:56 kmkale     hi all
08:55 magnus     hehe, about 10 meters from the first one - i took a detour :-)
08:54 * kf       hides
08:54 kf         magnus: where is your other computer? oslo?
08:24 * magnus   moves over to the other computer
07:58 magnus     kia ora chris
07:58 chris      hi magnus
07:55 kf         hi magnus
07:55 magnus     hiya kf & #koha
07:29 chris      back after a powercut
06:45 chris      hehe yes
06:45 cait       so I have some time to work on koha (which is more fun than reading a book about accounting)
06:44 chris      :)
06:44 cait       allowed myself not to start with my new distance study course until 1st december
06:42 cait       my new state fields are medium text... but I can change that :)
06:42 cait       ok
06:41 chris      id just make them text
06:40 cait       do you agree with nicoles suggestion of mediumtext?
06:40 cait       ok
06:39 chris      id do 3777 first
06:39 cait       both are things I could work on but not sure it makes sense :)
06:39 chris      yeah and a patch for 3777 would be good too
06:39 cait       yep to what? :)
06:39 chris      yep
06:38 cait       this is a  old patch from hdl - but not sure there is a better way to do it in with the new templating system
06:38 munin      04Bug http://bugs.koha-community.org/bugzilla3/show_bug.cgi?id=3656 enhancement, PATCH-Sent, ---, henridamien, NEW, Specify fields to be omitted from the patron record
06:38 cait       bug 3656
06:38 cait       chris: chris_n wanted to look at the state thing - not sure my addresses look right :)
06:37 cait       does it make sense to write a patch to change the field sizes?
06:36 chris      ah right
06:36 cait       but came across some other bugs
06:36 cait       had to open up a new one
06:36 cait       no , there wasn't a bug for this, only discussion on the mailing list
06:36 chris      im hoping someone will signoff on it soon :)
06:35 chris      with
06:35 chris      cool, hopefully can close a bunch your patch
06:35 chris      ahhh
06:35 munin      04Bug http://bugs.koha-community.org/bugzilla3/show_bug.cgi?id=3777 trivial, P5, ---, gmcharlt, NEW, Field Sizes Inconsistent
06:35 cait       like bug 3777
06:35 cait       when I looked for a bug about hte state field in borrowers, I found some older bugs
06:33 cait       I feared you would say that :)
06:33 chris      that wouldnt hurt
06:33 cait       but retesting in 3.2.1 required too?
06:32 cait       already tested some of them on HEAD
06:32 chris      ah yep, any of those you want to look at would be fine
06:32 cait       there are some bugzilla mails from chris_n
06:31 cait       hm, looking at my inbox...
06:30 cait       ok
06:29 chris      cant think of anything off the top of my head
06:28 chris      hmmm
06:26 cait       will perhaps have some time later today
06:24 cait       want me to test something?
06:23 chris      hehe
06:20 cait       will never get over this time zone thing :)
06:18 cait       have a feeling I will have a long day too
06:17 cait       I am still waking up
06:17 chris      yeah, long day
06:16 cait       it's still early to be tired - crazy day?
06:15 ibot       i think chris is great or tired
06:15 chris      chris?
06:15 ibot       okay, chris.
06:15 chris      chris is also tired
06:15 cait       good ibot
06:15 chris      hehe he wont listen to me now :)
06:15 ibot       ...but chris is great...
06:15 chris      ibot: no, chris is tired
06:15 ibot       ...but chris is great...
06:15 chris      ibot: chris is tired
06:15 cait       you can be both
06:14 chris      no chris is tired
06:14 cait       hehe
06:14 ibot       somebody said chris was great
06:14 cait       chris?
06:14 cait       chris is great
06:14 cait       that's cool
06:14 ibot       somebody said koha was a free software ils see http://koha-community.org for more info
06:14 chris      koha?
06:14 chris      he learns from is/was
06:14 chris      :)
06:14 cait       now you have confused him :)
06:14 cait       lol
06:13 ibot       well, cait is a developer! or a librarian
06:13 chris      cait?
06:13 ibot       okay, chris.
06:13 chris      cait is also a librarian
06:13 cait       he reacts to ?
06:13 cait       and you told him I am a developer? poor bot :)
06:13 chris      :)
06:13 chris      until it gets too annoying and i turn it off
06:12 chris      yup
06:12 cait       we have a chat bot
06:12 cait       oh
06:12 chris      cait: just playing with the bot
06:12 ibot       hmmm... catalogue search not working is often caused by zebra not reindexing check the search faq at http://koha-community.org/documentation/faq/searching/
06:12 chris      catalogue search not working?
06:12 cait       chris?
06:12 cait       ?
06:12 cait       here
06:12 ibot       i guess cait is a developer!
06:12 chris      cait?
06:06 cait       :)
06:06 cait       night brendan
06:03 brendan_l  alright night all ;)
05:50 hudsonbot  cait: yummy! how did you know that breakfast is my favorite food?
05:50 cait       !hudson botsnack breakfast
05:22 kmkale     morning cait
05:22 cait       mornig kmkale :)
05:11 kmkale     hi all
05:09 daniel     hi cait
05:08 cait       hi brendan :)
05:08 brendan_l  heya cait
05:07 cait       morning #koha
03:53 chris      :)
03:53 richard    sounds familiar :)
03:53 richard    heh
03:52 ibot       que tal, richard
03:52 richard    ibot: hi
03:49 chris      like that
03:49 ibot       well, catalogue search not working is often caused by zebra not reindexing check the search faq at http://koha-community.org/documentation/faq/searching/
03:49 chris      catalogue search not working?
03:47 chris      it does other things, but learning factoids is the most useful
03:47 ibot       2
03:47 chris      ibot: 1+1?
03:44 ibot       chris: I forgot awesome
03:44 chris      ibot: forget awesome
03:43 ibot       awesome is, like, like totally cool
03:43 chris      awesome?
03:43 chris      awesome is like totally cool
03:43 chris      it has to learn first
03:43 brendan_l  awesome?
03:43 ibot       somebody said koha was a free software ils see http://koha-community.org for more info
03:43 chris      koha?
03:27 Amit       heya brendan
03:25 brendan_l  Hi Amit
03:24 chris      hi Amit
03:23 Amit       heya chris
02:23 chris      just downloads
02:18 jcamins    That's a lot of bandwidth usage.
02:18 jcamins    Wow.
02:17 brendan_l  is that just from downloads?  or git too?
02:16 chris      is fun too
02:16 chris      http://download.koha-community.org/awstats/awstats.pl
02:16 brendan_l  heya jcamins :)
02:16 jcamins    brendan_l: yeah, it's pretty great.
02:07 brendan_l  for some reason I love looking at git.koha-community.org :)
01:53 brendan_l  heya chris_n
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