Time Nick Message 00:25 gmcharlt @quote random 00:25 munin gmcharlt: Quote #38: "<owen> Holy Bugzilla activity explosion, Batman!" (added by ricardo at 10:00 AM, October 07, 2009) 00:28 chris apt 00:28 jcamins Heh. That Bugzilla activity explosion apparently coincided with the ANS's decision to migrate to Koha. 00:34 Brooke yo 00:35 jcamins Greetings. I enjoyed the newbie's guide to Koha. 00:35 * Brooke feels certain Chris has been distributing kool aid... 00:35 Brooke thank you 00:36 jcamins I even knew who wrote it before I looked at the history. ;) 00:36 Brooke I've to slap considerably more into the knew one 00:36 Brooke new even 00:36 jransom hi everyone 00:36 Brooke kia ora 00:42 chris im too busy drinking kool aid to distribute it 00:42 Brooke a likely story. 00:42 * Brooke should just give in and go patrol NYC with her bud. 00:45 jransom I love that newbie's guide Brooke 00:48 Brooke glad you're pleased 00:51 * slef extracts his own teeth with a USB plug... it's got to be more fun than creating a technical committee. 00:51 slef Anyone remind me: can we email into existing bugs? 00:52 jcamins slef: I'm sure it could be worse. 00:52 jcamins Speaking of which... 00:52 jcamins Anyone want to go to my budget meeting on December 9? I've been informed that it's "impossible to predict how long it will be." 00:52 Brooke I'll go 00:53 chris yes we can slef 00:53 Brooke my arse is capable of withstanding any length of meeting 00:53 chris http://www.bugzilla.org/docs/3.0/html/api/email_in.html 00:54 chris bug-submit@bugs.koha-community.org 00:54 slef chris: thanks. I'm going to try auto-feeding patches links into bugs. 00:54 jcamins Brooke++ # for writing a newbie guide and offering to go to my budget meeting 00:54 chris have a try ... I *think* it works 00:54 * jcamins goes to eat some dinner 00:54 slef I'll test it slowly. 00:55 chris lemme know if it bounces or anything and ill take a look 01:06 * chris_n thinks perhaps folks need to participate in the present venues of discussions/proposals/decision-making/etc. prior to inventing new venues 01:09 Brooke meh, I think a proper forum wouldn't kill people 01:09 Brooke and uh, if one of those ratbag Americans would index some shtuff, shtuff would be easier to find 01:09 slef It's so tempting to flame individuals involved in the discussion for their own failings when ... OH YEAH! 01:09 slef I was watching the BBC Breakfast news this morning 01:09 slef and the sports presenter called one of the anchors a ratbag 01:09 robin I propose the pub down the road and round the corner from Catalyst as a venue. 01:10 robin I'm sure everyone will be in favour. 01:10 slef I have it recorded. Worth trimming and posting? 01:10 Brooke ++ robin 01:10 slef robin: depends if you'll pay expenses ;-) 01:10 robin slef: if you really thought your views mattered, you'd make it here ;) 01:10 richard slef: was the presenter an australian? 01:10 Brooke also, ye've to slide me past Immigration 01:10 slef richard: no, pretty sure not. Let me get his biog. 01:12 slef http://news.bbc.co.uk/1/hi/programmes/breakfast/4370574.stm 01:12 slef http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Chris_Hollins Notable credit(s) BBC Breakfast, Run Fatboy Run 01:13 gmcharlt slef: the email gateway to bugs.k-c.org. does indeed work 01:13 gmcharlt I tested it last week 01:13 slef gmcharlt: I'm automating spamming it then :) 01:13 gmcharlt slef: just make sure that the recipes for the enhancement products are all open source, then :) 01:14 CGI230 change to hayander 01:14 CGI230 hello 01:14 Brooke yo 01:14 slef CGI230: hayander to queen's four. 01:14 * Brooke pushes a pawn 01:15 * slef pushes some porn over the autospammer 01:15 Brooke 0.0 01:15 slef ahem, let me code this a bit more 01:15 slef oops, we scared the fish 01:16 Brooke My Fraternity nickname came from somewhere, ye know. 01:16 CGI353 hello 01:16 Brooke howdy 01:17 CGI353 who is this 01:17 CGI353 ? 01:17 slef I don't know. Who are you? 01:18 CGI353 as a matter of fact i am the creater of a new software programme 01:18 robin Oh, me too! 01:18 CGI353 really 01:18 slef I'm writing a new one right now. 01:18 CGI353 which one 01:18 slef patches2bugs 01:19 robin eMusic/J 01:19 CGI353 thats so cool 01:19 slef I'm not very imaginative with names. 01:19 robin neither 01:19 CGI353 whats your real name 01:19 CGI353 are you still there 01:19 robin that's an awfully personal question, CGI353! 01:19 jcamins CGI353: did you have a question? 01:20 CGI353 well im just asking 01:20 jcamins CGI353: by the way, Koha's website is http://koha-community.org/ 01:20 CGI353 which country do you live in 01:22 CGI353 hi 01:22 jcamins CGI353: can we help you with something? 01:22 jcamins Something Koha-related, I mean. 01:23 CGI353 yes 01:23 janecitiz CGI353, your mum 01:23 CGI353 hi 01:24 CGI353 hello 01:24 janecitiz im 12 yo girl, wanna have some fun 01:26 gmcharlt oy 01:27 ghugyigy hey, chris 01:27 * richard needs to write that down - +b *!*@ec2-174-129-238-79.compute-1.amazonaws.com 01:28 chris the sooner the cgi::irc goes away the happier i will be 01:28 zeb hello 01:28 zeb chris: hello 01:28 Brooke argh 10k engris crit in olde newbie guide 01:29 jcamins Brooke: what? 01:29 Brooke I used to have instead of so that 01:29 Brooke and as a result 01:29 Brooke the sentence was not purdy 01:30 zeb Brooke: what 01:30 Brooke just makin crap sound better 01:30 zeb oh 01:30 zeb Brooke: what country are you from 01:31 * Brooke is a Yank. 01:31 zeb whata 01:32 zeb are you still there 01:32 ghugyigy zeb: Hi. 01:32 zeb hello 01:32 zeb excuse me 01:32 ghugyigy Hi. 01:33 ghugyigy Where are you from zeb? 01:33 zeb Brooke: hi 01:33 ghugyigy How old are you? 01:33 zeb 28454 01:33 ghugyigy nice, nice. 01:33 ghugyigy Still flexible? 01:33 zeb what country are you from 01:34 ghugyigy I don't know yet. What country are you from? 01:34 zeb not telling 01:34 zeb Brooke: hello 01:34 ghugyigy aw. Why so serious? 01:34 ghugyigy I thought we were having a good time... 01:34 jcamins gmcharlt: heh. You're generous. 01:35 jcamins I would've said five. 01:35 zeb Brooke: where did you go 01:35 ghugyigy Why no asl? 01:35 ghugyigy How old are you, gmcharlt? 01:35 ghugyigy Where are you from? 01:35 ghugyigy You mean.. 01:35 ghugyigy :( 01:36 zeb where did brooke go 01:36 zeb is it wandering 01:36 jcamins The late nineties. Brooke is trying to return its users to AOL. 01:41 chris_n and good riddance 01:41 * chris_n tries to get his fur combed back in the right direction 01:41 * gmcharlt searches for a lawn to tell the kids to stay off of 01:41 Brooke heheh 01:41 jcamins What's with the recent influx of CGI::IRC visitors? 01:42 Brooke They figured that Catalyst was in the red light district and came to see the show. 01:48 chris if anyone at ptfs ever listened to anything i said 01:48 chris id ask them again, to remove it 01:48 jcamins Interesting fact: if you search ISTC in Google, the Incunabula Short Title Catalog is not on the first page of results. 01:49 robin who woulda though, eh? 01:49 gmcharlt jcamins: clearly you have a lot of googlebombing to do 01:50 jcamins gmcharlt: I suppose so! 01:50 Brooke crap missing the Rachel Maddow Show. This cannot stand! 02:10 slef http://bugs.koha-community.org/bugzilla3/show_bug.cgi?id=2965 shows an example of the patches-list-linker - how far back into the past should I run it? 02:10 munin 04Bug 2965: enhancement, PATCH-Sent, ---, srdjan, ASSIGNED, Allow the user to specify due dates in the past 02:12 robin slef: oh, that's what your spamming is in aid of. Good stuff. 02:12 jcamins slef: ooh, nifty. 02:14 slef robin: jcamins: thanks. It's another thing started during hackfest which I didn't get time to finish. 02:16 jcamins @later tell nengard How did you learn to use LimeSurvey? I am finding it unintuitive, and the documentation isn't really clearing much up for me, which makes me think that you must have read different documentation. 02:16 munin jcamins: The operation succeeded. 02:18 jcamins slef: so how does that work? You recursively download the mailing list archives and search for the string "Bug [0-9]\{1,4\}"? 02:18 slef jcamins: nothing recursive, but basically yes. 02:18 slef jcamins: then it checks the bug to see if the patches archive URL was already linked, and sends mail to the bug if not. 02:19 slef jcamins: I search the archive html index page for the pattern /\b[Bb]ug (\d+)/ 02:20 jcamins Ah, that makes sense. 02:20 slef Anyone an opinion on how far back to link? Just October? Further back? 02:20 * jcamins doesn't have an opinion 02:23 slef wizzyrea: how much should I spam bugzilla? A little, a lot or massively? :) 02:23 chris not massively 02:23 robin also maybe restrict to open tickets 02:23 wizzyrea_ dk, it's hosted in a different place from the website ;) 02:23 chris cos then ill miss someone saying that the branch i asked them to test is good 02:24 chris and will miss merging it 02:25 chris maybe a few a day until you catch up, so i dont ahve 10 million bug emails to read tomorrow :) 02:26 slef robin: good idea. 02:29 chris_n slef: please comment on my thread on the dev list :-) 02:29 * chris_n wonders where thd-away` is 02:29 slef bug 5194 02:29 munin 04Bug http://bugs.koha-community.org/bugzilla3/show_bug.cgi?id=5194 major, PATCH-Sent, ---, katrin.fischer, RESOLVED FIXED, Patron notification on new issues not working 02:29 slef ok, I have exclusion working 02:29 chris_n joe and I will run out of breath soon 02:30 slef chris_n: which thread? 02:30 chris_n A Discussion on A Policy Setting Forth Standards of Code Submission, etc. 02:32 jcamins chris_n: not to get off-topic, but have you been reading eighteenth century literature recently? 02:32 * chris_n often reads from that century 02:34 jcamins chris_n++ # for, on top of everything else, having awesome taste in literature 02:42 chris_n slef++ # patches-list-linker 02:42 chris_n tnx jcamins :) 02:51 slef chris_n: just found your thread! You didn't say it was a subthread. 02:51 chris_n sorry 02:51 * chris_n is busy just trying to keep it out of the depths of the list :-) 02:56 * jcamins curses LimeSurvey 02:57 jcamins I spent all that time writing a welcome screen, and it's gone. 02:57 jcamins I mean, everything I wrote is still in the database, but there's no welcome screen anymore, now that I've activated my survey. 02:58 jcamins Ah-ha! There's a cookie or something, so you can only view it once. 02:59 chris_n the cookies strike again... 02:59 jcamins Mmm... cookies... 03:00 * chris_n 's wife has been baking sweet-potatoe, cream-cheese bread all day 03:01 jcamins Oh. 03:01 jcamins It's a setting. 03:01 jcamins And also a cookie... 03:07 jcamins Enough of that. 03:07 jcamins Good night, #koha 03:08 chris_n g'night jcamins_a 03:18 robin @tell hdl you guys back in November? http://twitter.com/Wotzoncom/status/1838398734077952 03:18 munin robin: Error: I haven't seen hdl, I'll let you do the telling. 03:18 robin munin is pretty forgetful 03:18 munin robin: Error: "is" is not a valid command. 03:18 chris tell only works if he is here 03:19 chris you need @later tell 03:19 robin oh, right. 03:19 * robin is pretty forgetful. 03:19 chris heh 03:19 robin @later hdl you guys back in November? http://twitter.com/Wotzoncom/status/1838398734077952 03:19 munin robin: Error: The "Later" plugin is loaded, but there is no command named "hdl" in it. Try "list Later" to see the commands in the "Later" plugin. 03:19 robin @later tell hdl you guys back in November? http://twitter.com/Wotzoncom/status/1838398734077952 03:19 munin robin: The operation succeeded. 03:47 Brooke Bonjour 03:48 hdl hi Brooke 03:48 hdl salvete 03:48 Brooke ca va? 04:06 hdl Well I am up at 5.AM catching up with "community emails" 04:06 hdl jet lag is horrible. 04:06 wizzyrea_ I'm still dealing with it, hdl 04:07 wizzyrea_ it's getting better though, I think 04:07 hdl How are you ? wake up late ? 04:07 Brooke insomnia cures jet lag 04:07 Brooke get with the programme! 04:07 wizzyrea_ it's not so much late tonight, but the last few days have been pretty brutal 04:07 wizzyrea_ with daylight savings switch piled on top like a moldy cherry on the jetlag sundae 04:08 Brooke yeah, that was a bit of a bitch 04:08 hdl what a tasty one ;) 04:09 wizzyrea_ kiddo seems to be doing ok I think, i'm middling, the hubs is still having the most trouble of all of us 04:09 wizzyrea_ how are you? 04:13 Brooke hola 04:22 Brooke k 04:22 Brooke *now* I'm sleepy 04:26 hdl wizzyrea_ I am not so fine. 04:26 hdl my stomach is not playing nice. 04:26 wizzyrea_ sorry to hear that :( 04:27 hdl And in the evening I am dizzy at 4. PM, which is a little bit early 04:27 wizzyrea_ you know, thatcher felt dizzy too 04:27 hdl but it was so great to see you all. 04:28 wizzyrea_ we really ought to conjure up ways to get together more often :) 05:41 brendan evening 06:10 cait good morning #koha 06:10 brendan morning cait 06:10 cait hi brendan 06:14 brendan how's things 06:18 kmkale hi all 06:23 brendan hey kmkale 06:23 kmkale HI brendan 06:27 chris evening 06:28 brendan evening chris 06:31 cait hi chris and kmkale 06:31 kmkale hi chris cait 06:35 * wasabi waves 06:36 wasabi looking at UPS's 06:41 cait hi wasabi 06:45 brendan heya wasabi - try fedex 06:56 wasabi http://www.ascent.co.nz/Category.aspx?MajorCatID=102&MinorCatID=241 06:57 wasabi http://www.networkupstools.org/protocols/megatec.html 06:59 wasabi … might go with an APC brand one 07:00 wasabi heya magnus 07:00 magnus hi wasabi 07:00 kmkale wasabi: try emersion 07:00 kmkale great service here in India 07:01 kmkale s/emersion/emerson/ 07:39 * magnus thought i'd send a reminder about the irc meeting tomorrow - should i send it just to the general list, or to devel too? 07:51 wasabi magnus: both , i think :) 07:51 magnus yeah, that's what i did too... so sue me! ;-) 07:58 brendan night all 08:18 chris what the hell is david langs problem 08:19 chris oh enlighten us all with your wisdom 08:19 chris what a twat 08:23 * Elwell_ has just done a scan of the mailing list archives. Least he's consistent. 08:23 chris consistently annoying :) 08:24 chris i wish he'd put the same effort into doing something productive 08:26 Elwell wasabi: [UPS] Just be aware that APC are rolling out a new (non open, non apcupsd compatible) protocol on some of their models. 08:30 larsw chris, a common malady is that you don't have time to do anything productive because arguing on the Internet takes all your time 08:31 larsw which reminds me, I should ignore a few more mailing lists and Atom feeds :) 08:35 chris :) 08:35 chris im loving branchable btw 08:36 larsw chris. cool :) 08:36 chris great service from joey when i locked myself out of my account (space at the front of the openid url) 08:36 chris i think it was about 1 hour until i was up and going again :) 08:38 larsw we strive to provide great service, but that was a happy accident of timing :) 09:06 Elwell found it: http://xkcd.com/386/ :-) 09:17 magnus Hehe 09:51 kf oh, closed wrong window 09:51 kf hi #koha 09:52 chris heh 09:53 chris kf: wanna see something kinda cool? 09:54 magnus guten tag, kf 09:54 chris http://opac.koha.workbuffer.org/cgi-bin/koha/opac-detail.pl?biblionumber=595 09:54 chris might take a while to load, but check out the open library tab 09:54 kf chris: I always want to see cool things 09:54 kf fighting with my travel bills right now 09:54 kf complicated 09:54 chris it should be pulling in related subjects 09:54 chris from open library 09:55 magnus OL-tab? cool! 09:55 kf it was fast 09:55 kf it is kind of cool 09:55 kf but I am not sure how to use it 09:56 kf can they be linked to find more in my catalog? 09:56 chris yep 09:56 chris thats the next step 09:56 kf ok, now it is cool :) 09:56 magnus agreed! ;-) 09:56 kf it was cool before... but you know what I mean! 09:56 chris gimme 10 mins 09:56 magnus i'll give you 9,5 chris... 09:57 wasabi hey, thanks for the IRC email to the dev-list magnus... 09:57 magnus np wasabi 09:57 wasabi i really appreciated your thoughtfulness 09:58 wasabi :) 09:58 magnus wow, thanks! ;-) 10:03 wasabi i'm just *not* going to reply to that fucktarded list email 10:05 chris http://opac.koha.workbuffer.org/cgi-bin/koha/opac-detail.pl?biblionumber=595 10:05 chris check it out now 10:05 chris should have links that search the catalogue 10:07 wasabi open-library stuff? 10:07 chris yep 10:07 chris it fetches the list of related subjects according to openlibrary 10:07 chris and then uses that to search your koha 10:07 chris was just trying out their new api 10:08 chris but now i know how to do it, i could do something more useful, like use it to tune the recommendations 10:08 kf hm, but it will only search in the subjects in the title, right? not in the open library subjects? 10:09 chris what? 10:09 kf you make a search in su - the index for subjects 10:09 chris yes 10:09 kf but really really cool would be if it would use the subjects from open library :) 10:09 wasabi it pulls related-subjects from OL 10:09 chris using the subject headings fetched from open library 10:09 * kf knows she is terrible 10:09 wasabi click 10:10 chris you mean search openlibrary? 10:10 chris thats easy 10:10 chris what it is doing, is finding the subjects we have in our catalogue 10:10 chris then for each of those 10:10 chris finding the related subjects from openlibrary 10:10 chris and making them a link to search the catalogue 10:11 chris the bold ones are the subject headings in our catalogue 10:11 chris the linked ones are the ones from open library 10:12 magnus way cool! 10:12 chris those links could easily be links to openlibrary instead of local search 10:12 chris but i figured people would most likely want to stay inside their catalogue 10:12 magnus one problem is: you might get subjects from OL that gibe zero hits in local opac... 10:13 magnus s/gibe/give/ 10:13 chris yep 10:13 magnus e.g. http://opac.koha.workbuffer.org/cgi-bin/koha/opac-search.pl?q=su:OverDrive 10:13 chris its quite likely on my small catalogue 10:14 chris but this was just to prove i could get the subjects :) 10:14 magnus what would also be cool is if you could "enrich" all the records in koha with subjects from OL, and then search those added subjects too 10:14 chris i dont think id actually use them like this 10:14 chris you could easily do that 10:15 chris for anything that had an isbn 10:15 chris you could make that a step in cataloguing, fetch subjects from openlibrary 10:15 magnus hm... 10:16 magnus do they have subjects in more languages than english? 10:16 chris to make them searchable you'd have to add them to the marc record 10:16 chris probably not 10:19 chris http://openlibrary.org/developers/api 10:19 chris so ive got subjects and covers working now 10:20 chris books is the one you would use to enrich the data about a work 10:21 chris but that will do for tonight, i had to do it, as george evil laughed at me :) 10:21 chris http://twitter.com/#!/openlibrary/status/1796080761053184 10:21 magnus hehe ;-) 10:24 magnus we better make her do that often, then... ;-) 10:27 * magnus can't help thinking that rdf is a better "substrate" for enriching data than marc... 10:28 chris stabbing myself in the eye is better than dealing with marc 10:28 chris but until we convince the rest of the world to stop using it, we are stuck with it 10:29 magnus sigh... yeah 10:30 magnus unless we could hide "something better" in the background and just import and export marc... 10:30 chris that was my original plan 10:31 chris people were concerned about it being a lossy conversion 10:31 chris personally i think there is a pile of stuff we could lose .. and make the world a better place 10:31 chris now cataloguing ninjas will come attack me 10:31 chris for saying that 10:32 magnus hehe, i'll stand by you! 10:32 * chris goes to hide in bed 10:32 magnus marc-must-die.info 10:32 chris night all 10:33 magnus night chris 10:33 hdl night chris 10:42 kf night chris 10:45 * magnus must find lunch 12:10 gmcharlt godo morning 12:11 gmcharlt good morning, even 12:18 hdl hi gmcharlt 12:18 gmcharlt hi hdl 13:00 druthb Good day, #koha. 13:00 owen Hi druthb 13:01 druthb howdy, owen. 13:01 gmcharlt hi owen, druthb 13:01 * druthb waves to gmcharlt 13:05 owen Are slef's "this bug is mentioned in..." bug comments automated? 13:05 gmcharlt owen: yes, slef was working on that last night 14:47 kmkale bye all 14:49 slef bye kmkale 14:50 kf hi slef 14:50 kf I think I share your opinion about technical comittees 14:50 kf and bureaucracy 14:51 jcamins Good morning, #koha 14:51 kf hi jcamins 14:51 kf and now I am leaving to cure my cold... 14:51 jcamins Good plan. 14:52 wizzyrea the proposal for a branch available that's passed QA for librarian testing (put a timer on it, if they're not gonna look they're not gonna look) 14:52 wizzyrea I like 14:52 kf yeah, I like that too 14:53 * jcamins must have missed that message, but he thinks it sounds like a good idea 14:54 wizzyrea just realized I didn't finished my sentence 14:54 wizzyrea I blame the morning. 15:28 cait hm, forgot to shut down laptop :) 15:29 cait cold-- 15:34 jcamins cait: well, at least you have the heat from the laptop being left on? :) 15:34 cait hmpf 15:34 cait was talking about the cold that involves a red nose and lot of tissues :) 15:35 jcamins Oh. 15:35 jcamins Yes. 15:35 jcamins Time to write my "Want to Learn to Use Koha? Learn SQL!" post, I guess. 15:36 cait I still have to do the Learn Linux part :) 15:46 wizzyrea oh hi druthb 15:47 druthb oh hi wizzyrea! :) 15:47 jcamins Oh hi wizzyrea and druthb 15:47 wizzyrea :D 15:48 cait hi liz :) 15:49 jwagner Hi everybody 15:49 jcamins Hi jwagner 15:49 wizzyrea hey there 15:49 cait hi jwagner :) 15:49 cait jwagner++ # for delivering postcards :) 15:50 jwagner And you'll notice that the accompanying item made it through intact :-) 15:50 druthb cait++ # for sending 15:50 jwagner But cait, I think I could do without your cold.... 15:51 jwagner Although mine is probably due to Qantas having extremely cold air blowing in the plane for the entire flight. Three blankets and a scarf around my head weren't enough. 15:51 cait jwagner++ # for smuggling chocolate into the us ;) 15:51 jwagner Customs seemed more concerned about where I marked on the form that I'd been on a farm. 15:51 jwagner Didn't want me smuggling in mad cow disease I guess. 15:52 * jwagner thinks the cows I encountered were more hungry than mad 15:53 cait you were at a farm? 15:53 jwagner A tourist version thereof -- the Agrodome in Rotorua. Lots of sheep, cows, ostriches, emus, alpacas, ducks, geese, pigs, etc. etc. 15:54 jwagner The sheep shearing and sheep herding demos were interesting. I grew up on a farm with cows, so I'm not real interested in them -- been kicked & stepped on too many times for that. 15:55 cait aaaw 15:55 * cait wants to go back to nz 15:55 jcamins NZ has some of the best wool. 15:55 jwagner Although I got a picture of one of the cows that's the same breed we had for a milking cow. Reminded me of old days -- morning cereal was never the same after we stopped having fresh-from-the-cow milk. 15:56 * jwagner definitely wants to go back to nz! 15:59 * cait *sighs* 15:59 * jcamins wants to go to NZ in the first place! 16:00 jwagner jcamins, it's definitely worth the trip, despite the horrible flight. But allow at least 2-3 weeks, if not more -- there's too much to see and do, and things are pretty far apart. 16:02 wizzyrea or just go more than once 16:02 * jcamins prefers both! 16:02 jwagner That would be good too :-) 16:02 cait chris said he will not organize another kohacon...! 16:03 * jcamins doesn't blame him 16:03 jwagner That's OK, it means we can use the entire time for sightseeing! 16:03 * jcamins thinks planning a 2-hour seminar is hard enough! 16:06 cait jcamins: a 2 hour seminar, 2 weeks hackfest and 3 weeks sight seeing? 16:06 jcamins Hello, nengard and owen 16:06 jwagner cait, I'd go for that :-) 16:06 jcamins cait: oy! 16:07 jcamins Seriously, I had *no* idea how hard it is to make invitations. 16:07 jcamins I thought "gee, how hard can it be? We just need to send invitations to a few hundred people." 16:07 nengard hi jcamins 16:08 * druthb waves to owen and nengard 16:08 wizzyrea getting the addresses alone is oi 16:08 * owen ducked out to listen to a webcast on the budget prospects for Ohio libraries under the new governor 16:09 jwagner prospects bleak? 16:09 owen Hint: New gov. wants to eliminate the income tax. 16:09 wizzyrea !!!! 16:09 wizzyrea double eww tee eff 16:10 jwagner I have never understood why people can't grasp the simple concept -- if you want services, you have to pay for them. 16:11 wizzyrea because from our childhood we are taught that we are entitled to whatever we want without having to give anything back? 16:11 jwagner Dunno about you, _I_ was never taught that! 16:11 jwagner But parents like mine seem increasingly scarce these days. 16:12 * wizzyrea was being snarky 16:12 * jwagner knows, just grumbling at modern conceptions of parenting 16:12 jwagner Including the parent in the seat across from me on the LA-DC flight :-( 16:13 wizzyrea i'm happy to say that we only had one flight where spud was even remotely annoying. 16:13 wizzyrea the rest he happily watched videos or looked out the window or napped. 16:14 jwagner Kids his age aren't so much the problem -- I didn't mind (too much) the baby crying on the Auckland-LA flight because babies do cry & there's not a lot you can do. But school age kids who never stop whining and fussing from the moment they get on the plane are another matter. Grump. 16:15 slef wizzyrea: better than being grumpy :-/ 16:16 slef I'm sure I opened this window to write something. Now I'm distracted. 16:16 jwagner Isn't that the purpose of this IRC? 16:16 slef Oh yeah, on returning to the UK, I noticed three things that NZ doesn't do so well: pork, chicken and road junction priorities. 16:17 jcamins Pork, chicken, and road junction priorities? 16:17 slef Yep. Other than that, it was home from home with more dramatic landscapes. 16:17 jwagner Don't remember having much pork or chicken, but what I had was delicious. Road junctions are another matter. Even if I can remember to drive on the other side of the road, I always have trouble with roundabouts. 16:19 slef Their roundabouts were a bit freaky, with strange lane discipline (right lane for straight ahead???) and staggered stop lines, but it was the unmarked Ts and Xs that got me. 16:20 slef Actually, even marked Ts were strange, with traffic turning right off the through road having priority over things turning left off. 16:20 * wizzyrea is so glad she never had to drive 16:20 slef I was happy I only failed to take priority when I had it, rather than the reverse! 16:21 slef I did have one trucker seriously cross as he waved me on. 16:21 * cait remembery a very angry driver in a roundabout in scotland 2 years ago 16:21 slef cait: huh? We have the same rules as you, IIRC! 16:21 cait we had a rental car and he had no idea that we were not Scottish 16:22 * jcamins avoids driving abroad 16:22 cait you drive at the wrong side 16:22 slef no, you do :) 16:22 cait and we dont have this more than one lane roundabouts 16:22 nengard driving was only scary when the slide of the cliff was right at my wheels ... 16:22 slef cait: seriously? I never noticed that. 16:22 nengard the rest was a piece of cake in comparison 16:22 cait we were doing something wrong about that, but we didn't find out what it was :) 16:22 cait it was a really big roundabout in inverness 16:23 slef cait: did you turn off from the inside lane? 16:23 cait perhaps we did 16:24 cait I have no idea ) 16:24 slef as in from the lane nearest the middle of the roundabout 16:24 cait but I was really happy that I had no driver's license, so nobody could force me to drive :) 16:25 jcamins cait: very sensible. 16:25 * jcamins denied having an international driver's license when he was in Scotland... it seemed more pleasant to be a passenger 16:25 cait but I helped shouting: leeeeft! 16:25 jcamins Safer to close one's eyes when one isn't the driver. ;) 16:28 cait nah, it was fun 16:35 jwagner I have driven in England. The last time, the rental car escaped with only minor injuries.... The problem wasn't remembering which side of the road to be on, it was that the roads were so narrow, with no shoulders or any place but the hedgerow to go when a large truck is coming at you. 16:37 slef Some roads are a bit narrow. 16:37 slef You learn to time reaching wide bits at the same time as oncoming traffic, or backing up or facing down. 16:38 slef It's fairly simple to spot drivers through the narrows on the road into the village who aren't used to them - they're the ones who pick the hedge instead of a gap. 16:39 slef There is one narrow road I try to avoid. It's an A road but has too many trucks and buses using it. 16:40 slef SatNavs love it, though. 16:50 Brooke yo 16:50 jwagner slef, yet another fun part of driving in England was the disconcerting habit people had of parking in the middle of the road. 16:50 wizzyrea slef: is that the road that went through the tiny town that tried to get itself taken off the map in order to reduce sat-nav generated traffic? 16:51 slef wizzyrea: actually no, but that's not far from here. 16:52 slef wizzyrea: it's about 15 miles north from that one. 16:52 wizzyrea hee! 16:52 slef wizzyrea: the problem with Wedmore isn't narrows, it's historic buildings on tight bends. 16:53 wizzyrea slef: Ah! No wonder they wanted to get rid of the trucks and what-not vibrating their buildings apart 16:53 jcamins Whoops. 16:54 jwagner Reminds me of one place I visited last time -- where my dad was stationed in WWII. He was with 3rd Armored Division, and the villagers still remember those Yanks trying to navigate tanks through narrow streets and around tight corners. 16:54 slef wizzyrea: Wedmore only has B roads, so trucks wouldn't use it except for satnavs making low-quality straight B roads seem faster than less direct but faster and easier A roads. Wainfleet (All Saints?) in Lincolnshire used to have similar problems and that was a Z-bend on an A road. 16:54 * jcamins just realized that he's been happily working around a fully-functional "clone subfield" feature all day. 16:54 jcamins chris_n++ 16:54 jcamins owen++ 16:54 jcamins (for the work both of them did in making the clone subfield feature work) 16:55 wizzyrea chris_n++ owen++ 16:56 Brooke how's the "clone developer" feature going? 16:57 jcamins Brooke: you were nominated to develop it. You tell us. :) 16:57 Brooke I pushed it to Chris 16:57 Brooke go ask him :P 16:57 chris hey, i helped make 2 new ones at hackfest 16:58 cait hehe 16:58 cait hi chris 16:58 chris oh 3, nate too 16:59 chris and yes, i did see hackfest as the perfect place for growing developers, i agree with that part of pauls email 17:00 Brooke my wrestling match is 17:00 Brooke speak of the devil 17:00 Brooke is timing before http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Brooks's_law kicks in 17:01 Brooke I think 3 months slack on any given deadline should do, but I'm a dunce 17:03 cait chris: I was really happy about learning so many new things about git 17:03 cait and it was great that you took the time to teach me :) 17:09 jwagner chris, is the Ten years in ten minutes presentation online somewhere? 17:09 chris yeah its on youtube 17:10 jwagner Ah. Didn't look there. Got a URL handy? 17:10 wizzyrea http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Tl1a2VN_pec 17:10 jwagner Thanks. 17:10 * Brooke is slowly syncing up video presentations on the wiki. 17:11 hdl congrats druthb 17:11 druthb Thanks, hdl. :) 17:12 jcamins druthb: are congratulations in order? If so, congratulations. 17:12 druthb jcamins, I'll let you be the judge of that; opinions may vary. I have been persuing a legal name change, which was finalized by the court on Friday. 17:13 jcamins Oh, congratulations! 17:13 druthb thanks. :) 17:13 jcamins That's wonderful news! Now you just have to spend the next gazillion years trying to get everyone to correct our name. :) 17:14 jcamins *your 17:14 druthb yup. A few key documents will make a lot of inroads on that; I really haven't had much trouble with day-to-day stuff. 17:15 druthb A passport trumps a lot of other documents in this country, so despite not needing to travel out of the country, I may well get one, as it is possible to get one with the gender-marker on it that I want. *shrug* 17:18 jcamins And apparently it doesn't actually matter if the name on your bank accoutns and credit cards matches your legal name. 17:18 druthb The bank records have my (now out-of-date) legal name, but I have a debit card with my (former alias/now legal name) on it. 17:19 druthb But a copy of the court order will correct the discrepancy, I am told. 17:19 jcamins I have a bank account which is in a name that was never mine, and it doesn't seem to trouble the bank (though I find it rather troubling). 17:20 druthb I would find that troublesome, yes. 17:20 jcamins And I never even changed my name. 17:21 jcamins Anyway, that's wonderful news. :) 17:32 Brooke k 17:32 Brooke someone tell me how I'm meant to change the default messaging preferences for a given patron category 17:33 cait is there a bug for something really boring that doesn't need much thinking? 17:33 * cait is bored but can't concentrate ;) 17:33 Brooke lookin' here 17:33 Brooke http://intranet.bywatersolutions.com/cgi-bin/koha/admin/categorie.pl?op=add_form 17:34 cait what's the login? 17:34 Brooke and my wee cursor will not get into a box. I only have one drop down for advance notice, and I've checkboxen at the side. Is this a switch that needs an "on" elsewhere in parameters? 17:34 wizzyrea bywater/bywater 17:34 cait oh 17:34 wizzyrea you added one? 17:35 wizzyrea and you click edit? 17:35 cait that's great - I have seen that too, but it vanished 17:35 wizzyrea and you don't see the default messaging preferences? 17:35 cait it's great that someone else is seeing it too :) 17:35 cait wizzyrea: the table is broken 17:35 Brooke yep 17:35 wizzyrea weird, it's not in my one that's tracking master 17:35 cait hm, but I am seeing it in German and the language chooser is not there 17:36 Brooke the submit itself might be wonky, but I've not been circling like a hawk, so it could well have timed out. Reloading it. 17:36 cait wizzyrea: yeah, that was my problem, saw it in one of our installations but couldn't reproduce it 17:36 cait and I think it vanished at some point after updating 17:36 cait hm. I think after I recreated the database 17:37 Brooke *nod* 17:37 Brooke the form's taking now 17:37 druthb Brooke, hard to tell, but there may be something awry with the message_transports, that's normally what causes the pulldowns for email vs sms to appear, unless there have been big changes in that area. 17:37 Brooke but I still can't jigger with the table 17:37 Brooke I will just tell people to blissfully ignore it for now 17:38 wizzyrea hmmm 17:38 wizzyrea that seems odd 17:39 wizzyrea this is what mine looks like: http://screencast.com/t/N3LTTS9oymah 17:40 Brooke I'm thinking I might have to flip a switch in parameters *someplace* 17:40 * owen hands wizzyrea some tabs to go with her tabs 17:40 wizzyrea shhhhhhh 17:40 * jcamins boggles 17:40 jcamins I have 7, and that seems like a lot to me. 17:40 wizzyrea ... 17:41 Brooke it's impolite to comment on a lady's tabs, tyvm 17:41 * druthb has three, and that's a-plenty. 17:41 cait lol 17:41 wizzyrea admittedly, this is pushing the realm of what's possible to deal with >.> 17:41 jcamins wizzyrea: I'm glad to see that Koha is well-represented. :) 17:41 owen Firefox just threatened to quit on me just looking at it 17:41 wizzyrea lol. It's chrome, it can handle it >.> 17:42 jcamins It must be nice having a powerful computer. 17:42 wizzyrea pff 17:42 wizzyrea it's *chrome* 17:42 wizzyrea it's just that awesome. 17:43 jcamins wizzyrea: I use chrome at home, and I still start having problems if I go above a dozen tabs. 17:43 wizzyrea …there's nothing special about my computer 17:44 wizzyrea revision: the only thing that's special about my computer is me. 17:44 wizzyrea some people think I have an aura 17:44 cait hehe 17:44 Brooke most people have an aura. How silly ;) 17:44 wizzy_lun ch 17:44 * jcamins wonders if wizzyrea's aura is available in bottles :) 17:45 wizzy_lun lol 17:46 wizzy_lun http://www.thedoghousediaries.com/?p=1820 17:46 wizzy_lun and with that 17:46 wizzy_lun I bid you adieu. 17:46 wizzy_lun for now. 17:49 chris time for a shower for me, bbiab 17:49 paul_p time to go back home for me. see you tomorrow 17:49 slef grrr 17:50 nengard okay - so owen you can hate me - but i just don't get firebug .... how the heck do i find out what style is controlling a specific part of a page? 17:50 Brooke oooh oooh mr. kotter, mr. kotter 17:50 slef erm, that makes it harder :) 17:50 jcamins nengard: ... I'll comment when you get back. 17:51 * Brooke thinks it would be the bee's knees to have a firebug style interface to parameters 17:51 jcamins o.O 17:51 jcamins That would be a lot of work. 17:52 Brooke it would ultimately save a lot of work 17:52 jcamins Yes, true. 17:52 Brooke and it would make the interface a lot more user friendly 17:52 Brooke plus 17:52 Brooke firebug is theoretically open source 17:52 Brooke unlike say erm cover flow 17:53 Brooke which would also be neat and a lot of work 17:53 jcamins ... I think I'm thinking about something completely different from what you are. 17:53 Brooke no 17:53 Brooke those are two completely different ideas :D 17:53 cait jcamins: don't worry, I think it's normal 17:53 jcamins I was going to say "even better would be to make the behavior predictable." 17:53 * cait hides 17:54 jcamins cait: lol 17:54 cait I got lost at the bee's knees 17:55 jcamins cait: "really great" 17:55 cait strange 17:55 owen Don't worry cait, it's a pretty old-fashioned usage 17:56 jcamins I have no idea where it comes from, but that's what it means. 17:56 Brooke http://www.etymonline.com/index.php?term=bee's%20knees 18:02 cait thank you all :) 18:03 Brooke aiiii taverna cretekou is luring me with its dreaded siren song. 18:04 * jcamins reflects briefly on the fact that he lives in a Greek neighborhood, and hasn't had any Greek food in almost a year 18:04 jcamins Rather, any non-pastry Greek food. ;) 18:11 * slef bombs away 18:12 slef nengard: don't you click "Inspect" and then the part of the page whose style you want to find out, or has the firebug interface changed? 18:12 nengard um ... maybe :) never done it successfully 18:12 nengard will try in a sec 18:12 nengard on to another task 18:35 * chris goes to catch his bus 18:35 chris bbiab 18:38 nengard okay slef i tried that - but i'm not getting anything that looks like the html element or the css that's controlling where i clicked .... 18:39 jcamins nengard: I don't know how to use Firebug, but Chrome's built-in debugger is really helpful. 18:39 nengard might have to go switch to chrome for this task 18:39 jcamins And it does what you're asking about. 18:47 owen nengard: I can't help bug think something is missing 18:47 owen s/bug/but 18:47 owen nengard: You have the firebug pane open? 18:47 nengard yes 18:48 owen and you clicked the button to inspect? 18:48 nengard yes 18:49 owen And what happens when you mouse over the web page? Do you see a blue outline? 18:49 nengard no 18:49 nengard i do see little flickers in the firebug pane 18:50 nengard but no blue outlines 18:50 owen when you click the "inspect" button, does the "HTML" tab become active? 18:50 nengard nope 18:50 nengard DOM 18:50 nengard should i click html first and then inspect 18:50 wizzy_lun can you click the html tab? 18:51 nengard i can 18:51 nengard and when i do i get it 18:51 nengard until i click inspect and it goes back to DOM 18:51 wizzy_lun can you then inspect 18:51 wizzy_lun weird. do you possibly need an update to either firebug or firefox? 18:51 nengard i can try 18:53 nengard reinstalling firebug 18:54 nengard and the same thing is happening 18:55 * cait would really like to stand behind nengard and see her screen right now 18:55 cait it's so much easier that way 18:55 wizzy_lun :/ yea 18:56 wizzy_lun there's always logmein 18:56 wizzyrea almost as good 18:56 owen Something is definitely wrong with your setup nengard, but I can't think what 18:56 nengard bleh 18:56 wizzyrea I'd try chrome 18:56 wizzyrea it's basically got firebug built in 18:56 nengard yup - jcamins said that 18:56 nengard gonna do that now 18:57 wizzyrea that's kind of the nuclear option 18:57 wizzyrea but, it will work 18:57 wizzyrea and there you can right click -> inspect 18:57 wizzyrea sometimes you have to do it twice, I've noticed 18:57 jcamins And then you'll have Chrome, which is kind of cool. 18:58 chris_n slef is so very colorful :-) 18:58 chris_n "If you don't want people to be suspicious, don't walk softly behind them with knives, even if you're just making sandwiches." 18:58 cait yeah 18:58 owen nengard: wizzyrea's comment makes me wonder whether in Firefox you have an "inspect" option when you right click 18:58 cait that was a good one 18:58 * chris_n will now be very careful when making sandwiches from now on 18:59 nengard owen - why yes I do!!! 18:59 nengard and it does open in the HTML window but It's a blank HTML window 18:59 nengard i mean HTML tab in firebug 18:59 owen nengard: Could you have a conflicting addon maybe? 18:59 wizzyrea your thing has about got to be busted somehow 19:00 * wizzyrea wonders if she could be *more* vague 19:00 druthb "It doesn't work!" 19:00 jcamins "Something doesn't work!" 19:01 nengard hmm - much more info in chrome :) 19:01 owen "Thingy no worky!" 19:01 jcamins "Broke!" 19:01 cait the machine is broken 19:01 * druthb has had support tickets from a Koha customer that were nothing more than "it doesn't work." She finds those...un-useful. 19:02 owen I like the reports that say: "Koha wasn't working, so we restarted the computer..." 19:03 wizzyrea I had one the other day 19:03 wizzyrea "a dropdown isn't working" 19:03 wizzyrea ... 19:03 nengard hehe 19:03 wizzyrea which drop down? 19:03 cait very helpful g 19:03 jcamins [off] owen: Hey, didn't we have that report on #koha just a few days ago? And again last week, and the week before... 19:12 cait @karma committee 19:12 munin cait: committee has neutral karma. 19:13 jcamins Go figure. 19:13 jcamins @karma budget_committee 19:13 munin jcamins: budget_committee has neutral karma. 19:13 jcamins !!! 19:13 cait @karma ie 19:13 munin cait: Karma for "ie" has been increased 0 times and decreased 13 times for a total karma of -13. 19:14 druthb lol 19:17 richard hi 19:18 chris back 19:18 cait wb chris 19:18 chris spent the bus ride talking to a forensic accountant policewoman, who works in the money laundering unit 19:18 chris best bus ride ever! 19:19 wizzyrea !! 19:19 cait wow 19:19 * cait wants to go back to nz... 19:19 cait but would probably not understand her... 19:20 jcamins A forensic accountant policewoman? Wow, I didn't know there was such a thing. That almost makes accounting sound interesting. 19:21 chris yeah, think of them as csi, for money 19:24 chris was an interesting talk 19:30 larsw Charles Stross's books have had forensic accountants at least a couple of times 19:30 * larsw &heart; Stross scifi 19:31 chris lenora++ 19:34 cait yes, lenora++ 19:34 chris threads_that_jump_the_shark-- 19:35 cait hm, first bee's knees and now chris wants to jump a shark... 19:35 owen This conversation really gets my goat 19:36 owen And that's straight from the horse's mouth! 19:36 * chris_n thinks that's mighty corny owen 19:36 jwagner cait, another pop culture reference. http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Jump_the_shark 19:36 cait owen: grrr 19:36 cait ;) 19:37 jwagner or Bah, to tie in with my earlier comments about sheep :-) 19:38 * druthb groans. 19:38 chris larsw: added to my toread list :) 19:38 larsw chris, :) 19:38 * larsw needs to learn to read faster 19:41 eternalsw I'm having trouble allowing holds. I have made sure there are good values under circulation rules. I've made sure OPACItemHolds is set to Allow as well as AllowOnShelfHolds. When I try to make a hold through opac, it comes up with "This title cannot be requested" If I do it through the admin panel, it says the user has too many holds. The user doesn't have any holds. The group the user is part of is set to be able to have 5 holds 19:41 eternalsw that item type. Any ideas? 19:42 cait I heard you need to add a default rule to koha now 19:42 cait but have not tested it yet 19:42 wizzyrea eternalsw: what version? 19:43 cait wizzyrea: good first question.. should go to bed 19:43 eternalsw version 3.2 using the repository for debian squeeze. 19:51 eternalsw adding in the default item worked, however this overrides the rules for the other items. 19:51 * druthb leaves to catch the bus. 19:53 chris http://wiki.koha-community.org/wiki/Roadmap_to_3.4 19:53 chris thanks slef for prodding me 19:53 chris ive now tried to make it more clear 19:57 eternalsw my issue seems to be http://bugs.koha-community.org/bugzilla3/show_bug.cgi?id=4530 19:57 munin 04Bug 4530: major, P5, ---, gmcharlt, NEW, Circulation & fines rules aren't always applied from most specific to less specific 20:02 cait hi magnus 20:04 Brooke yo 20:06 chris oy 20:07 wizzyrea yooy 20:08 chris_n yoyo 20:10 * cait gets more and more confused 20:11 cait time to sleep - good night all 20:14 magnus yo 20:15 trea hi magnus 20:15 magnus hi trea 20:21 Brooke magnus :) 20:21 Brooke you're 10 minutes too late for cait 20:23 magnus yeah she said hi while i was looking elsewhere and logged off before i got back... 20:24 Brooke doh 20:24 magnus i'll see her tomorrow though ;-) 20:25 magnus (i hope) 20:25 nengard magnus - i'm heading to my front door to see if i have my book ... if not i'm gonna have them ship more :( 20:26 Brooke gl 20:26 chris don is reading my copy 20:27 nengard cool! 20:27 nengard and no books for me :( 20:27 nengard GRRR 20:27 Brooke :/ 20:28 magnus ouch 20:28 magnus perhaps the mailman is reading them as we speak? 20:28 magnus hiya sekjal! 20:28 Brooke hi sekjal 20:28 chris hey sekjal 20:29 sekjal hi, everyone! 20:30 sekjal safe journeys for those of you I met at KohaCon? 20:30 chris yep, barring nate, everyone is back home 20:31 sekjal hopefully he's having a good vacation 20:31 jwagner Long and tiring trip home. Maybe I should just move to NZ :-) 20:31 sekjal jwagner: definitely considered it, myself 20:32 jwagner heh heh 20:32 wizzyrea anybody know how "the question" went? 20:32 sekjal the answer was "yes" 20:32 wizzyrea speaking of nate 20:32 wizzyrea YAY 20:33 jcamins brendan said that Nate was getting married, so I think the answer must have been "yes." 20:33 * wizzyrea pops a cork for Nate 20:33 jcamins Either that or there's quite a story. 20:33 jcamins Or you're talking about a different question entirely, and brendan mentioned that unrelated to "the question." ;) 20:35 wizzyrea !! 20:37 wizzyrea loving the openlibrary PoC. That is wicked awesome. 20:37 wizzyrea (proof of concept) 20:37 * jwagner is going home now -- still trying to shake off jet lag 20:37 wizzyrea chris++ 20:37 chris at some point i might make it actually do something 20:37 chris more useful 20:37 sekjal g'night, jwagner! 20:38 wizzyrea well, the fact that you can get the subjects from such a complete source is pretty sweet 20:39 chris well its related subjets 20:39 chris bold is our subjects, the links are what open library thinks are related subjects 20:39 wizzyrea but their algorithm for determining related subjects is pretty great 20:39 chris http://git.workbuffer.org/cgi-bin/gitweb.cgi?p=koha.git;a=shortlog;h=refs/heads/openlibrary 20:39 chris its there, fwiw 20:40 * Brooke smiles broadly 20:41 Brooke now just make the related subjects dance like liveplasma 20:41 Brooke http://www.liveplasma.com/ 20:41 Brooke cooler than aquabrowser's diagramming 20:41 sekjal oh, right, diagrams! 20:41 sekjal speaking of 20:42 sekjal got that map of C4's dependencies enhanced a bit 20:42 sekjal cycles highlighted in red 20:42 chris_n sekjal: where's it at? 20:42 sekjal on my laptop right now... going to grab that and post 20:42 sekjal will link once it's up 20:42 wizzyrea something like this with openlibrary subjects would be cool too 20:42 wizzyrea http://www.literature-map.com/ 20:44 Brooke that map is less sexy than aquabrowser 20:44 * Brooke craves lines. 20:45 * wizzyrea doesn't like lines… too messy. 20:45 * Brooke also <3s differing sizes 20:45 wizzyrea differing sizes I can agree with :) 20:46 wizzyrea aw, I liked that plasma visualizer until they drew in the lines :P 20:46 wizzyrea aside: huh. no wonder my music collection looks like it does. 20:47 sekjal ah, got to do a git-pull and regenerate the map... there have been commits since I got home 20:48 chris meeting time 20:48 chris bbiab 20:52 * owen doesn't find aquabrowser useful 20:54 eternalsw I managed to fix my issue. in /usr/share/koha/lib/C4/Reserves.pm line 409, I changed '*' to '".$biblio->{itemtype}."' 20:55 wizzyrea you should submit that as a patch 20:55 eternalsw what's the diff format 20:55 sekjal http://bywatersolutions.com/wp-content/uploads/2010/11/C4dep-new-colored.pdf 20:56 * wizzyrea 's head explodes 20:56 sekjal it's still huge... but can be picked through a little easier 20:56 sekjal I'm seeing a cycle between C4::Reserves, C4::Search and C4::XSLT 20:57 jcamins_a What's the red? 20:58 sekjal red lines should be highlighted cycles 20:58 jcamins_a Ah. 20:58 sekjal I might be missing some highlighting... but its at least a LITTLE more readable than the original 20:59 sekjal next step is to strip out all the modules that aren't both used and using, simplifying the view a lot 21:04 eternalsw anywhere to find patching guidelines? I see coding guidelines, but I need to know the diff flags required for the patch generation. 21:04 wizzyrea we use git, if that helps 21:05 Brooke this is for doc patches 21:05 Brooke https://lists.koha-community.org/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/koha-docs 21:05 Brooke I know nicole has info for patch patches somewhere 21:05 Brooke cause she like just linked it to me 21:05 jcamins_a koha-patches@lists.koha-community.org I think. 21:06 jcamins_a To create a patch you commit the changes in git, then do git format-patch -1 21:06 Brooke Reporting and patching Koha bugs can be a simple process if you follow the many tutorials on the wiki and mailing lists. For those who are all ready to start patching, here are the steps you want to follow: 21:06 Brooke Report a bug (or enhancement) 21:06 Brooke Make yourself the assignee for that bug and change the Status to ‘Assigned’ so that others know you’re working on the bug 21:06 Brooke Write your patch and send it to the patches list 21:06 Brooke Change the bug Importance to ‘PATCH-Sent’ and attach your patch to the bug 21:06 Brooke Following these simple steps will keep everyone in the loop as you work on and fix bugs/features in Koha. 21:07 Brooke from http://koha-community.org/koha-newsletter-volume-1issue-8-august-2010/ 21:07 wizzyrea also this: http://wiki.koha-community.org/wiki/Version_Control_Using_Git 21:07 wizzyrea see: share your work 21:08 eternalsw guess I'll set up another machine for development then :D 21:10 gmcharlt always a good idea in any case 21:11 * Brooke suspects gmcharlt's cave is full of naught but blinking leds and boxen of chocolate... 21:19 wizzyrea and cats. 21:20 wizzyrea cats like computers 21:20 wizzyrea the white noise… the warmth 21:26 Brooke hi eric 21:45 Brooke :) 22:18 chris back 22:19 chris eternalsw: there are scripts to build packages from git 22:19 chris so you can do you work in your repo, and deploy via packages 22:19 chris which is what we try to do at my work 22:20 eternalsw great. I'll be sure to take a look at that. 22:21 chris robin is the best person to talk to about that 22:21 robin eternalsw: in the debian dir is 'build-git-snapshot'. That's a good place to start. 22:22 robin eternalsw: also: http://wiki.koha-community.org/wiki/Building_Debian_Packages 22:24 wizzyrea nengard: remember your deal with firebug and how nice it would have been to show us what was going on on your screen? 22:24 nengard yuh huh 22:25 wizzyrea check out http://join.me 22:27 chris speaking of .me 22:27 chris http://about.me/chriscormack 22:29 chris kinda silly 22:29 chris but fun 22:31 wizzyrea oh yea I saw that 22:35 chris how about tweetnest? 22:35 chris im the king of 'because i can' 22:36 chris http://tweetnest.bigballofwax.co.nz/ 22:41 wizzyrea lol 22:41 wizzyrea that's funny 22:41 wizzyrea and handy