Time  Nick      Message
23:12 robin     hdl: sure, I'll pop down to L3 in a minute
23:12 hdl       robin: ok we can go now if you want
23:08 robin     that is certainly the truth
23:08 hdl       (MARC is not really a handy format for data manipulation ;) )
23:04 jcamins   Ah. Yeah, I know exactly what you're talking about.
23:04 robin     and is now 1068 lines long, to convert CSV to MARC.
23:03 robin     jcamins: oh, just that I have multiple fields rather than one field with multiple subfields. It's not so much MARC's issue, just that it's adding to my converstion script, which is already 90% special cases.
23:02 jcamins   robin: what is your will that MARC will not bend to?
23:02 hdl       I'll ask sekjal
23:02 robin     cool, let me know when you're thinking of going. I'm getting tired of trying to bend MARC to my will.
23:02 hdl       ok for me.
23:01 hdl       still there.
23:01 robin     hdl: or have you left already?
23:01 robin     I dunno, IRC and food don't mix. Everyone knows you can't dissolve IRC in food.
23:00 gmcharlt  let's make it a transpacific lunch-dinner meeting :)
22:59 robin     I'm up for lunch if people want :)
22:59 jcamins   :D
22:58 * hdl     sending you a virtual big breakfast....
22:58 hdl       :D
22:58 jcamins   hdl: if it makes you feel any better, I didn't have lunch with any Koha people today. ;)
22:57 hdl       yes. (on phone)
22:57 hdl       I'll see
22:57 chris     is sekjal around?
22:57 hdl       that's ok.
22:57 chris     ah ha
22:57 hdl       they already went ;)
22:56 chris     maybe you should go with mason and brooke for lunch?
22:56 chris     ahh
22:56 hdl       only paul as far as i know.
22:54 chris     i have a meeting at 12.30 .. i think paul and you were invited to the meeting too?
22:54 hdl       chris are we going together for lunch ?
22:29 munin     hdl: The operation succeeded.
22:29 hdl       @later tell slef http://groups.google.com/group/github/browse_thread/thread/d7230db4e8fa6adb
22:27 munin     New commit(s) kohagit: Merge remote branch 'kc/new/for-3.4/spelling' into kcmaster <http://git.koha-community.org/gitweb/?p=koha.git;a=commitdiff;h=f0fc240e91634bc538a527b79d0fae4af96abaa0>
22:26 sekjal    still need a little more logic to keep it from processing lines in the POD... probably a some kind of exit once it spots a line beginning with "=" would work
22:22 chris     awesome
22:21 sekjal    hoping to drop that into Graphviz on the plane ride home, and see something useful
22:20 sekjal    I've got my C4 Dependencies script to recursively walk all of C4, and spit out its findings in .dot format
22:17 wasabi    http://letsgetdugg.com/2009/04/19/finding-circular-reference-leaks-in-perl/
22:07 munin     New commit(s) kohagit: bug 5050 move language prefs to I18N/L10N tab <http://git.koha-community.org/gitweb/?p=koha.git;a=commitdiff;h=63536aecd95fd3634eca88196799c912d3f3fdd7> / bug 5151 removed bolded terms in breadcrumbs <http://git.koha-community.org/gitweb/?p=koha.git;a=commitdiff;h=a671da42a15b5c74ac5c2ca3206c875bbe2ba157> / bug 5237: Testing renewals on patron barcodes with + signs at the end <http://git.koha-community.org/gitweb/?p=koha.git
21:48 jcamins   Koha uses 942 and 952, but I think you could change that if you really wanted to.
21:48 jcamins   Genji: you could use whatever fields you wanted. In MARC21, x9x and 9xx fields (except for 490) are not defined by the standard.
21:47 Genji     hiya all.. what are available marc fields available for library's custom use?
21:41 sekjal    hey, chris_n
21:41 brendan   heya chris_n
21:40 chris_n   howdy brendan and sekjal
21:40 sekjal    morning, brendan
21:39 brendan   heya sekjal
21:33 chris_n   hehehe
21:23 hdl       committers should make links to their websites :D
21:22 hdl       oh Dancer hack :)
21:22 chris     hdl: try that out
21:19 chris     http://git.catalyst.net.nz/gw?p=koha.git;a=shortlog;h=refs/heads/git-hooks
21:17 chris     hdl: nope
21:16 schuster  by all have a great time without me...  home again home again!
21:15 schuster  When we had it in Plano I didn't realize how valuable that Hackfest was going to be...  But then again my wife didn't understand either so....
21:15 hdl       chris++
21:15 hdl       actually
21:14 hdl       schuster++
21:14 schuster  Chris - I wanted to thank you for all your hard work in getting kohacon10 off the ground.  Sorry I wasn't able to attend, but look forward to the next few months to see how 3.4 will come along!
21:14 hdl       have you made any other changes before testing ?
21:14 hdl       k
21:14 chris     id put it in your repo
21:13 hdl       in git.koha-community or in new/koha-biblibre repo ?
21:13 chris     so people dont try to actually use it yet
21:13 hdl       chris: ok.
21:13 chris     make it a wip branch
21:12 chris     you can, ill poke at it
21:12 hdl       chris: should I commit a Plack branch ? Or will you ?
21:06 hdl       were you part of the decision takers ?
21:05 gmcharlt  no
21:03 hdl       Is that you who were on the juice integration part for koha ?
21:02 hdl       hi gmcharlt
21:02 hdl       Have you tested that ?
21:01 hdl       good.
21:01 gmcharlt  and isn't particularly dangerious
21:01 gmcharlt  hdl: git gc can be croned
21:00 hdl       So we have to remove those...
21:00 hdl       (commits objects)
21:00 hdl       and rebase will create many objects.
20:57 hdl       But I donot know whether i could break anything.
20:57 hdl       (I know I could make a cronjob on the server.)
20:57 chris     not sure
20:56 hdl       chris : is there a way to do git gc on gitosis servers ?
20:54 chris     yup
20:54 hdl       I am rebasing on master. I think it is right ?
20:53 hdl       neat
20:53 hdl       chris 8-)
20:52 chris     im gonna drop that out of the critical tests
20:51 chris     #     Error:  No "ldapserver" in server hash from KOHA_CONF: /home/chrisc/koha-dev/etc/koha-conf.xml
20:51 chris     #     Tried to use 'C4::Auth_with_ldap'.
20:51 chris     #   at t/00-load.t line 18.
20:51 chris     #   Failed test 'use C4::Auth_with_ldap;'
20:51 chris     like this
20:48 chris     yep
20:48 hdl       chris : is that githook sending back the compile errors so user can easily fix the errors ?
20:44 hdl       thanks
20:33 chris     so i have a pre-commit hook, that runs compile tests .. can run perlcritic and perltidy too, but disabled at the moment, ill push up the branch with it in soon so you can test
20:32 chris     gitmaster@git.koha-community.org
20:32 chris     gitmaster
20:31 hdl       (to push I mean)
20:31 hdl       chris : is it gitosis@git.koha-community.org or gitolite@git.koha-community.org ?
20:01 chris_n   pianohack: mostly good
19:59 larsw     chris, yay, ikiwiki!
19:51 pianohack Good or bad? I've had good fast days and ... bad fast days
19:50 chris_n   fast and furious :-)
19:50 pianohack How's it going?
19:50 pianohack hey chris_n
19:50 * chris_n slaps pianohack on the back and says "Howdy!"
19:48 pianohack Hallo
19:25 * chris   like ikiwiki a lot
19:25 chris     its really easy to do, cos its just a git repo
19:25 chris     ill do my list of patches pushed each day as well
19:24 chris     that should hopefully make it easier for you
19:24 chris     for everything with a bug number, im pushing a branch, then merging it
19:23 chris_n   cool
19:23 chris     yes
19:22 chris_n   chris: if its scratched off here http://koha-releasemanagement.branchable.com/ its been pushed to master and is considered stable?
19:20 chris     fab thank you
19:19 gmcharlt  chris: done, wip/koha-biblibre, and hdl has push access
19:18 chris     http://bugs.koha-community.org:8080/
19:18 chris     its actually building anyway
19:18 chris     i turned the irc off because it was breaking things, until they fix the plugin
19:18 chris_n   k
19:18 * chris_n looks around for hudson
19:18 chris     bot isnt around chris_n
19:17 chris_n   !hudson build Koha_3.2.x now
19:14 munin     New commit(s) kohagit: bug 5318: fix value of r4 rank weight <http://git.koha-community.org/gitweb/?p=koha.git;a=commitdiff;h=eb1a7e06917f54f88278b4056893f7a4cbff323a> / remove unused template include <http://git.koha-community.org/gitweb/?p=koha.git;a=commitdiff;h=8893e38c6e8b9fe0f43233163a6502932236063b>
19:08 gmcharlt  sec
19:08 gmcharlt  yep
19:07 chris     would you be able to set up a repo for biblibre at git.koha-community.org please?
19:07 gmcharlt  yep
19:07 chris     gmcharlt: got a sec?
19:06 jcamins   I should write out proper instructions on the wiki.
19:05 jcamins   Oops, did I forget that one in my instructions?
19:04 chris     http://packages.ubuntu.com/lucid/libgraphics-magick-perl
19:03 chris     install the package
19:03 markk     guys ... did anyone tried to install koha 3.2 on ubuntu 10.04? there's a perl requirement "Graphics::Magick" that i ain't able to install it through cpan
18:58 chris     also http://koha-releasemanagement.branchable.com/
18:53 chris     https://launchpad.net/koha
18:53 * chris   regained control of the freshmeat listing
18:53 chris     http://freshmeat.net/projects/koha
18:52 brendan   heya gmcharlt
18:52 gmcharlt  hi chris, brendan
18:51 chris     hiya brendan
18:40 brendan   morning chris
18:37 chris     Yup
18:24 owen      Are you in kohacon withdrawal chris?
18:20 chris     And another group fly out
16:50 markk     though it's still 7.05pm here :)
16:50 markk     morning
16:48 brendan   morning
15:55 markk     mmmm i see ... 10x jcamins
15:55 jcamins   So there shouldn't be ellipses next to the 003 and 005. Good catch.
15:54 jcamins   003 should *always* be set to your MARC organizational code, and 005 should always be the date that the record was last modified.
15:53 markk     006 is working ... apparently they'r just asking for it bcuz of the <...> not showing up anything ... btw i'm not a librarian and don't know what r these used for :)
15:52 jcamins   Do they mean 006?
15:52 jcamins   markk: 003 and 005 don't have any flexibility in their values.
15:49 owen      http://www.koha-community.org
15:49 markk     btw where can I download th 3.2.0 version?
15:47 markk     yes I can ... but as far as I recall an older version did popup upon clickng on the <...> ... the librarian @ the library I installed it keeps asking me to make it work .. they have some option to set for the Arabic things
15:45 jcamins   005 is automatically filled in, I think.
15:45 jcamins   markk: you should be able to just enter text directly into the box for 003.
15:40 markk     should I upgrade or is there anything else I should do/check?
15:40 markk     i have a problem in koha 3.00.06.010 while adding a new MARC record I can't edit the fields 003 and 005 for example by clicking on the <...> to the right of the text box. Any idea why? 008 is working and popping a window with fields to edit.
15:37 markk     hello again ...
15:09 munin     04Bug http://bugs.koha-community.org/bugzilla3/show_bug.cgi?id=5040 enhancement, PATCH-Sent, ---, nengard, ASSIGNED, "Distance" misspelled in default framework
15:09 jcamins   Hm. nengard's patch for bug 5040 doesn't appear to have made it in, either.
15:06 jcamins   But my server is on 3.2-RC, so I won't be doing it now.
15:04 jcamins   I'll try and remember to submit one.
15:04 jcamins   Okay.
15:04 gmcharlt  I'm not aware of any
15:03 jcamins   I'm not seeing one, and I reported that bug before I had access to any development machine.
15:01 munin     04Bug http://bugs.koha-community.org/bugzilla3/show_bug.cgi?id=5226 normal, P5, ---, gmcharlt, NEW, MARC21 field 545 missing
15:01 jcamins   Was there ever any patch submitted for bug 5226?
15:00 jcamins   Ooh, that's kind of cool.
14:58 tcohen    }
14:58 tcohen    }
14:58 tcohen    window.open("http://www.loc.gov/marc/authority/ad"+field+".html");
14:58 tcohen    // avoid local fields
14:58 tcohen    } else {
14:58 tcohen    window.open("http://www.loc.gov/marc/authority/adleader.html");
14:58 tcohen    if(field == 0) {
14:58 tcohen    function PopupFieldDoc(field) {
14:58 tcohen    with marc authorities we can have
14:56 tcohen    it's a pity there's only a pdf
14:50 tcohen    jcamins, gmcharlt thanks
14:49 gmcharlt  tcohen: documentation at http://www.ifla.org/en/publications/unimarc-formats-and-related-documentation is up to date
14:49 jcamins   tcohen: http://www.ifla.org/VI/8/projects/UNIMARC-AuthoritiesFormat.pdf ?
14:49 tcohen    i'd like to know where to find references for unimarc authority records
14:48 tcohen    anyone using unimarc?
14:45 gmcharlt  where 'not-small' is currently a bit fuzzy
14:45 gmcharlt  owen: so far, I've been doing pull requests if for some reason a patch can't be emailed or if the topic branch has a not-small number of patches
14:43 owen      gmcharlt: How do you choose to send a pull request as opposed to sending a patch?
14:30 gmcharlt  but that may be a little too least-common-denominator
14:30 gmcharlt  safest would probably be making the default template not have any real formatting whatsoever
14:29 gmcharlt  the limitations will vary from printer to printer, of course, so can't catch them all
14:25 owen      My only comment about it cosmetically is that I would probably take out the "news" heading since the title of the "item" can serve as a heading, and "news" might be too specific
14:23 owen      Does the content need to have an explicit width?
14:23 owen      We don't use slip printers here, so I'm not sure what the limitations are.
14:23 gmcharlt  thanks again
14:23 owen      gmcharlt: I'm looking at that patch now
13:50 jcamins   On my to-do list is making Koha parse subfield 5s.
13:49 jcamins   :)
13:48 jcamins   schuster: ^^
13:48 munin     jcamins: Materials specified
13:48 jcamins   @marc 541 3
13:48 munin     jcamins: Institution to which field applies  See Control Subfields
13:48 jcamins   @marc 541 5
13:40 schuster  That's interesting but how do you know which one if you have multiple branches.
13:34 munin     jcamins: Information on the immediate source of acquisition of the described materials. The field is used primarily for original or historical items or other archival collections. (Repeatable) [a,b,c,d,e,f,h,n,o,3,5,6,8]
13:34 jcamins   @marc 541
13:23 jcamins   Good morning, #koha
12:40 gmcharlt  thanks
12:40 owen      Sure, I'll take a look later today gmcharlt
12:39 gmcharlt  http://git.librarypolice.com/?p=koha-galen.git;a=commitdiff;h=e1ad03732ff67415ce62233d2ae9ffcbd808f8ad
12:39 gmcharlt  owen: I'd be curious to know your opinion of the styling of slip news in Darrell's patch
12:36 owen      That would be excellent
12:35 gmcharlt  I'm working on a post-upload hook for the public git repository to add that kind of notification to bugs automatically whenever something gets pushed
12:34 gmcharlt  I'm just noting that the fix has hit master
12:34 gmcharlt  I'm not
12:34 owen      Okay, that's what I thought. I was surprised that you were the one doing the pushing
12:33 gmcharlt  owen: 'master' is HEAD, i.e., on the mainline for inclusion in 3.4
12:32 owen      gmcharlt: I'm a little confused about the current branches... When you say a patch has been pushed to "master," what does that mean?
12:21 gmcharlt  hi owen
12:16 owen      Hi #koha
09:54 hdl       gmcharlt: around ?
09:19 hdl       hehe
09:13 slef      wizzyrea_: glacier lakes are pretty cool, if you'll excuse the pun
09:05 slef      switch... apparently wifi did 1Mb in 20mins :-/
09:00 slef      think I'll switch back to cellular if it doesn't settle soon
08:59 wizzyrea_ hrmm
08:59 slef      well I guess it's good to have wifi at a vineyard at all, really
08:58 wizzyrea_ well that's not so cool
08:58 slef      with misbehaving internet
08:58 wizzyrea_ well yes, that happens when your planet turns
08:58 slef      dark again
08:57 wizzyrea_ heya how's the south island?
08:50 slef      moo from wairau valley
08:10 wizzyrea_ yea
08:10 chris     yikes
08:09 wizzyrea_ 6:40 am
08:09 wizzyrea_ at the butt crack of dawn
08:09 chris     what time is your flight tomorrow?
08:08 chris     awww
08:08 wizzyrea_ I almost cried.
08:08 wizzyrea_ had one last walk down by the harbor.. spud was kissing things and atelling them goodbye
08:07 wizzyrea_ hi there
08:07 chris     heya wizzyrea_
07:53 munin     New commit(s) kohagit: Merge remote branch 'kc/new/background_jobs_tested' into kcmaster <http://git.koha-community.org/gitweb/?p=koha.git;a=commitdiff;h=8af6165f537c6324fa9184f3b0788ebf287820f8>
07:43 munin     chris: The operation succeeded.
07:43 chris     @later tell chris_n http://koha-releasemanagement.branchable.com/  hope this is some help for you
07:43 munin     New commit(s) kohagit: Merge branch 'signoffs' into kcmaster <http://git.koha-community.org/gitweb/?p=koha.git;a=commitdiff;h=c52225a5990bf9afb032bde8fa6ae0ddad0069b2>
07:23 munin     New commit(s) kohagit: Fix for Bug 5223, 'related subjects' should read 'subjects' <http://git.koha-community.org/gitweb/?p=koha.git;a=commitdiff;h=192e148fa3b07a736323db2a61971b827714f9ba> / Fix for Bug 4261 - keyword mapping should show which framework the map is for <http://git.koha-community.org/gitweb/?p=koha.git;a=commitdiff;h=3c36084b29d75f644681ef0d88cb91fb1c8678fd>
05:19 kmkale    hi all
05:06 brendan_l night all
03:53 hdl       (was with chris)
03:53 hdl       yes. ppl donot shout woohoo without a reason ;)
03:53 wasabi    hdl: really?
03:51 hdl       saw taht on twitter
03:51 hdl       good.
03:50 wasabi    i sorted my problem out today :)
03:50 hdl       ok... maybe we should be in level 3
03:50 wasabi    i will be able to come along too, tomorrow
03:50 wasabi    ok, great
03:50 brendan_l I think sekjal will too
03:50 hdl       wasabi: BibLibre yes
03:49 wasabi    are the bywater and biblibre guys heading to catalyst tomorrow too?
03:08 jcamins   If you're not, that means it's the configuration.
03:08 jcamins   If you're able to do a mysqldump and restore, and everything works, that means it was the installation.
03:03 dafydd    I'll export my stuff and take a look at that later tonight
03:01 jcamins   I was just wondering if it might be less trouble for you to just install off of the new 3.2 Live CD. http://mizstik.com/projects/koha-livecd/
03:01 dafydd    (with plans to expand :-)
03:00 dafydd    about 30 patrons
03:00 jcamins   Any patron data?
03:00 dafydd    about 20 records so far
02:59 jcamins   dafydd: how much data do you have in your database?
02:57 dafydd    Just tried modifying BiblioAddsAuthorities, which was mentioned on the mailing list for the same problem - again no luck
02:49 dafydd    updated MARC::Charset, MARC::Record, and yaz - still no luck :-(
02:37 dafydd    looks like MARC:Charset was kind of old, upgrading it now
02:37 dafydd    yeah
02:37 jcamins   This is Kyle Hall's old VMWare image?
02:36 jcamins   Yeah, that's what I thought it was too.
02:36 dafydd    (tried the new 3.2 VM in Koha tools, but it didn't boot in VirtualBox)
02:36 jcamins   Ah!
02:36 gmcharlt  3.0.1 specfically, I would assume
02:36 dafydd    It was on the preconfigured VM for 3.0
02:35 jcamins   gmcharlt: is that 3.0.x or an early development snapshot for 3.2?
02:35 jcamins   I'm confused by that version.
02:34 dafydd    will do
02:33 gmcharlt  dafydd: other things I would suggest checking are your versions of MARC::Record, MARC::Charset, and yaz
02:33 dafydd    3.00.01.005
02:33 jcamins   Also, could you clarify which version you were running before your upgrade?
02:33 dafydd    crap
02:32 jcamins   dafydd: sounds like a problem with your installation.
02:32 munin     New commit(s) kohagit: history updates - recent releases <http://git.koha-community.org/gitweb/?p=koha.git;a=commitdiff;h=b3fa9e36d3961c384463a78c395185d9f6be3aee> / bug 5327: follow-up to fix SIP tests <http://git.koha-community.org/gitweb/?p=koha.git;a=commitdiff;h=7fd5071e67ea6f3de9e56ff7532ee2fe814e5365> / Bug 5327: More basic unit tests for C4 modules <http://git.koha-community.org/gitweb/?p=koha.git;a=commitdiff;h=e0892a5139d68249db0c8acec03
02:28 dafydd    Yep
02:28 jcamins   Python cookbook?
02:27 jcamins   Works for me.
02:27 gmcharlt  dafydd: that one works for me
02:26 Oak       \o
02:25 dafydd    2005281191
02:23 dafydd    one sec
02:23 jcamins   What's the LCCN of an LC record that doesn't work?
02:22 jcamins   dafydd: that's really weird.
02:22 dafydd    jcamins, yeah, I can import at least 80% of my stuff currently,
02:22 munin     New commit(s) kohagit: History updates <http://git.koha-community.org/gitweb/?p=koha.git;a=commitdiff;h=81d8ff20d69f9c00fc2c4dc3041a3d95b71c562a>
02:18 jcamins_a ebegin: yes, can't you tell?
02:18 ebegin    jcamins_a, aren't you away? :D
02:17 ebegin    jcamins_a, :) thanks anyway ;)
02:16 jcamins_a Sorry.
02:16 jcamins_a Oh, and gmcharlt just said that.
02:16 jcamins_a ebegin: that's a bug. I think gmcharlt signed off on the patch to fix that a few days ago.
02:14 ebegin    ok.  thanks gmcharlt
02:14 gmcharlt  right
02:14 ebegin    ok, so it changes the n for a w, right?
02:13 gmcharlt  ebegin: there's a recent patch in the queue that fixes that
02:03 ebegin    the record.abs file seems to specify the search by digit (n) instead of word (w).  ln:n:range(data,35,3)  is this normal?
02:02 ebegin    the field for the language, not for the date, sorry ;)
02:02 ebegin    the field for the date uses the 008, pos 35 to 37.  For value such as eng (english) , fre (french), spa (spanish) etc... is that correct?
02:01 ebegin    just noted something strange in the etc/zebradb/marc_defs/marc21/biblios/record.abs and I want to check that with you
02:00 ebegin    hey Koha!
01:47 jcamins_a I can't really troubleshoot right now, but are you able to import anything?
01:46 jcamins_a dafydd: That's a strange bug.
01:39 munin     04Bug http://bugs.koha-community.org/bugzilla3/show_bug.cgi?id=5333 normal, P5, ---, gmcharlt, NEW, Undefined value stops import from z39.50
01:39 dafydd    jcamins_a, I'm finding bug 5333 isn't just AMICUS - LOC is giving me issues as well
01:22 hudsonbot chris_n2: job Koha_3.2.x build scheduled now
01:22 chris_n2  !hudson build Koha_3.2.x now
01:10 chris_n2  seeya hudsonbot
01:00 chris_n2  wb hudsonbot
00:56 jcamins   How are things in sunny CA?
00:54 jcamins   Hi brendan.
00:52 brendan_l heya jcamins
00:50 chris     heh
00:49 jcamins   interns++ # for converting Koha to use Template::Toolkit
00:49 jcamins   catalyst++ # for hiring brilliant interns
00:49 jcamins   chris++ # for being 3.4 RM
00:48 jcamins   I seem to recall someone having issues with that before.
00:47 jcamins   Doesn't AMICUS use a strange encoding?
00:46 jcamins   Ooh! Soon! Yay!
00:45 chris     im hoping early december
00:45 jcamins   chris: do we have an ETA on the Template::Toolkit conversion?
00:40 sekjal    got it
00:39 chris     sekjal: emailed to your gmail
00:25 jcamins   gmcharlt: pushed two additional patches adding use warnings and authentication.