Time Nick Message 00:25 jcamins gmcharlt: pushed two additional patches adding use warnings and authentication. 00:39 chris sekjal: emailed to your gmail 00:40 sekjal got it 00:45 jcamins chris: do we have an ETA on the Template::Toolkit conversion? 00:45 chris im hoping early december 00:46 jcamins Ooh! Soon! Yay! 00:47 jcamins Doesn't AMICUS use a strange encoding? 00:48 jcamins I seem to recall someone having issues with that before. 00:49 jcamins chris++ # for being 3.4 RM 00:49 jcamins catalyst++ # for hiring brilliant interns 00:49 jcamins interns++ # for converting Koha to use Template::Toolkit 00:50 chris heh 00:52 brendan_l heya jcamins 00:54 jcamins Hi brendan. 00:56 jcamins How are things in sunny CA? 01:00 chris_n2 wb hudsonbot 01:10 chris_n2 seeya hudsonbot 01:22 chris_n2 !hudson build Koha_3.2.x now 01:22 hudsonbot chris_n2: job Koha_3.2.x build scheduled now 01:39 dafydd jcamins_a, I'm finding bug 5333 isn't just AMICUS - LOC is giving me issues as well 01:39 munin 04Bug http://bugs.koha-community.org/bugzilla3/show_bug.cgi?id=5333 normal, P5, ---, gmcharlt, NEW, Undefined value stops import from z39.50 01:46 jcamins_a dafydd: That's a strange bug. 01:47 jcamins_a I can't really troubleshoot right now, but are you able to import anything? 02:00 ebegin hey Koha! 02:01 ebegin just noted something strange in the etc/zebradb/marc_defs/marc21/biblios/record.abs and I want to check that with you 02:02 ebegin the field for the date uses the 008, pos 35 to 37. For value such as eng (english) , fre (french), spa (spanish) etc... is that correct? 02:02 ebegin the field for the language, not for the date, sorry ;) 02:03 ebegin the record.abs file seems to specify the search by digit (n) instead of word (w). ln:n:range(data,35,3) is this normal? 02:13 gmcharlt ebegin: there's a recent patch in the queue that fixes that 02:14 ebegin ok, so it changes the n for a w, right? 02:14 gmcharlt right 02:14 ebegin ok. thanks gmcharlt 02:16 jcamins_a ebegin: that's a bug. I think gmcharlt signed off on the patch to fix that a few days ago. 02:16 jcamins_a Oh, and gmcharlt just said that. 02:16 jcamins_a Sorry. 02:17 ebegin jcamins_a, :) thanks anyway ;) 02:18 ebegin jcamins_a, aren't you away? :D 02:18 jcamins_a ebegin: yes, can't you tell? 02:22 munin New commit(s) kohagit: History updates <http://git.koha-community.org/gitweb/?p=koha.git;a=commitdiff;h=81d8ff20d69f9c00fc2c4dc3041a3d95b71c562a> 02:22 dafydd jcamins, yeah, I can import at least 80% of my stuff currently, 02:22 jcamins dafydd: that's really weird. 02:23 jcamins What's the LCCN of an LC record that doesn't work? 02:23 dafydd one sec 02:25 dafydd 2005281191 02:26 Oak \o 02:27 gmcharlt dafydd: that one works for me 02:27 jcamins Works for me. 02:28 jcamins Python cookbook? 02:28 dafydd Yep 02:32 munin New commit(s) kohagit: history updates - recent releases <http://git.koha-community.org/gitweb/?p=koha.git;a=commitdiff;h=b3fa9e36d3961c384463a78c395185d9f6be3aee> / bug 5327: follow-up to fix SIP tests <http://git.koha-community.org/gitweb/?p=koha.git;a=commitdiff;h=7fd5071e67ea6f3de9e56ff7532ee2fe814e5365> / Bug 5327: More basic unit tests for C4 modules <http://git.koha-community.org/gitweb/?p=koha.git;a=commitdiff;h=e0892a5139d68249db0c8acec03 02:32 jcamins dafydd: sounds like a problem with your installation. 02:33 dafydd crap 02:33 jcamins Also, could you clarify which version you were running before your upgrade? 02:33 dafydd 3.00.01.005 02:33 gmcharlt dafydd: other things I would suggest checking are your versions of MARC::Record, MARC::Charset, and yaz 02:34 dafydd will do 02:35 jcamins I'm confused by that version. 02:35 jcamins gmcharlt: is that 3.0.x or an early development snapshot for 3.2? 02:36 dafydd It was on the preconfigured VM for 3.0 02:36 gmcharlt 3.0.1 specfically, I would assume 02:36 jcamins Ah! 02:36 dafydd (tried the new 3.2 VM in Koha tools, but it didn't boot in VirtualBox) 02:36 jcamins Yeah, that's what I thought it was too. 02:37 jcamins This is Kyle Hall's old VMWare image? 02:37 dafydd yeah 02:37 dafydd looks like MARC:Charset was kind of old, upgrading it now 02:49 dafydd updated MARC::Charset, MARC::Record, and yaz - still no luck :-( 02:57 dafydd Just tried modifying BiblioAddsAuthorities, which was mentioned on the mailing list for the same problem - again no luck 02:59 jcamins dafydd: how much data do you have in your database? 03:00 dafydd about 20 records so far 03:00 jcamins Any patron data? 03:00 dafydd about 30 patrons 03:01 dafydd (with plans to expand :-) 03:01 jcamins I was just wondering if it might be less trouble for you to just install off of the new 3.2 Live CD. http://mizstik.com/projects/koha-livecd/ 03:03 dafydd I'll export my stuff and take a look at that later tonight 03:08 jcamins If you're able to do a mysqldump and restore, and everything works, that means it was the installation. 03:08 jcamins If you're not, that means it's the configuration. 03:49 wasabi are the bywater and biblibre guys heading to catalyst tomorrow too? 03:50 hdl wasabi: BibLibre yes 03:50 brendan_l I think sekjal will too 03:50 wasabi ok, great 03:50 wasabi i will be able to come along too, tomorrow 03:50 hdl ok... maybe we should be in level 3 03:50 wasabi i sorted my problem out today :) 03:51 hdl good. 03:51 hdl saw taht on twitter 03:53 wasabi hdl: really? 03:53 hdl yes. ppl donot shout woohoo without a reason ;) 03:53 hdl (was with chris) 05:06 brendan_l night all 05:19 kmkale hi all 07:23 munin New commit(s) kohagit: Fix for Bug 5223, 'related subjects' should read 'subjects' <http://git.koha-community.org/gitweb/?p=koha.git;a=commitdiff;h=192e148fa3b07a736323db2a61971b827714f9ba> / Fix for Bug 4261 - keyword mapping should show which framework the map is for <http://git.koha-community.org/gitweb/?p=koha.git;a=commitdiff;h=3c36084b29d75f644681ef0d88cb91fb1c8678fd> 07:43 munin New commit(s) kohagit: Merge branch 'signoffs' into kcmaster <http://git.koha-community.org/gitweb/?p=koha.git;a=commitdiff;h=c52225a5990bf9afb032bde8fa6ae0ddad0069b2> 07:43 chris @later tell chris_n http://koha-releasemanagement.branchable.com/ hope this is some help for you 07:43 munin chris: The operation succeeded. 07:53 munin New commit(s) kohagit: Merge remote branch 'kc/new/background_jobs_tested' into kcmaster <http://git.koha-community.org/gitweb/?p=koha.git;a=commitdiff;h=8af6165f537c6324fa9184f3b0788ebf287820f8> 08:07 chris heya wizzyrea_ 08:07 wizzyrea_ hi there 08:08 wizzyrea_ had one last walk down by the harbor.. spud was kissing things and atelling them goodbye 08:08 wizzyrea_ I almost cried. 08:08 chris awww 08:09 chris what time is your flight tomorrow? 08:09 wizzyrea_ at the butt crack of dawn 08:09 wizzyrea_ 6:40 am 08:10 chris yikes 08:10 wizzyrea_ yea 08:50 slef moo from wairau valley 08:57 wizzyrea_ heya how's the south island? 08:58 slef dark again 08:58 wizzyrea_ well yes, that happens when your planet turns 08:58 slef with misbehaving internet 08:58 wizzyrea_ well that's not so cool 08:59 slef well I guess it's good to have wifi at a vineyard at all, really 08:59 wizzyrea_ hrmm 09:00 slef think I'll switch back to cellular if it doesn't settle soon 09:05 slef switch... apparently wifi did 1Mb in 20mins :-/ 09:13 slef wizzyrea_: glacier lakes are pretty cool, if you'll excuse the pun 09:19 hdl hehe 09:54 hdl gmcharlt: around ? 12:16 owen Hi #koha 12:21 gmcharlt hi owen 12:32 owen gmcharlt: I'm a little confused about the current branches... When you say a patch has been pushed to "master," what does that mean? 12:33 gmcharlt owen: 'master' is HEAD, i.e., on the mainline for inclusion in 3.4 12:34 owen Okay, that's what I thought. I was surprised that you were the one doing the pushing 12:34 gmcharlt I'm not 12:34 gmcharlt I'm just noting that the fix has hit master 12:35 gmcharlt I'm working on a post-upload hook for the public git repository to add that kind of notification to bugs automatically whenever something gets pushed 12:36 owen That would be excellent 12:39 gmcharlt owen: I'd be curious to know your opinion of the styling of slip news in Darrell's patch 12:39 gmcharlt http://git.librarypolice.com/?p=koha-galen.git;a=commitdiff;h=e1ad03732ff67415ce62233d2ae9ffcbd808f8ad 12:40 owen Sure, I'll take a look later today gmcharlt 12:40 gmcharlt thanks 13:23 jcamins Good morning, #koha 13:34 jcamins @marc 541 13:34 munin jcamins: Information on the immediate source of acquisition of the described materials. The field is used primarily for original or historical items or other archival collections. (Repeatable) [a,b,c,d,e,f,h,n,o,3,5,6,8] 13:40 schuster That's interesting but how do you know which one if you have multiple branches. 13:48 jcamins @marc 541 5 13:48 munin jcamins: Institution to which field applies See Control Subfields 13:48 jcamins @marc 541 3 13:48 munin jcamins: Materials specified 13:48 jcamins schuster: ^^ 13:49 jcamins :) 13:50 jcamins On my to-do list is making Koha parse subfield 5s. 14:23 owen gmcharlt: I'm looking at that patch now 14:23 gmcharlt thanks again 14:23 owen We don't use slip printers here, so I'm not sure what the limitations are. 14:23 owen Does the content need to have an explicit width? 14:25 owen My only comment about it cosmetically is that I would probably take out the "news" heading since the title of the "item" can serve as a heading, and "news" might be too specific 14:29 gmcharlt the limitations will vary from printer to printer, of course, so can't catch them all 14:30 gmcharlt safest would probably be making the default template not have any real formatting whatsoever 14:30 gmcharlt but that may be a little too least-common-denominator 14:43 owen gmcharlt: How do you choose to send a pull request as opposed to sending a patch? 14:45 gmcharlt owen: so far, I've been doing pull requests if for some reason a patch can't be emailed or if the topic branch has a not-small number of patches 14:45 gmcharlt where 'not-small' is currently a bit fuzzy 14:48 tcohen anyone using unimarc? 14:49 tcohen i'd like to know where to find references for unimarc authority records 14:49 jcamins tcohen: http://www.ifla.org/VI/8/projects/UNIMARC-AuthoritiesFormat.pdf ? 14:49 gmcharlt tcohen: documentation at http://www.ifla.org/en/publications/unimarc-formats-and-related-documentation is up to date 14:50 tcohen jcamins, gmcharlt thanks 14:56 tcohen it's a pity there's only a pdf 14:58 tcohen with marc authorities we can have 14:58 tcohen function PopupFieldDoc(field) { 14:58 tcohen if(field == 0) { 14:58 tcohen window.open("http://www.loc.gov/marc/authority/adleader.html"); 14:58 tcohen } else { 14:58 tcohen // avoid local fields 14:58 tcohen window.open("http://www.loc.gov/marc/authority/ad"+field+".html"); 14:58 tcohen } 14:58 tcohen } 15:00 jcamins Ooh, that's kind of cool. 15:01 jcamins Was there ever any patch submitted for bug 5226? 15:01 munin 04Bug http://bugs.koha-community.org/bugzilla3/show_bug.cgi?id=5226 normal, P5, ---, gmcharlt, NEW, MARC21 field 545 missing 15:03 jcamins I'm not seeing one, and I reported that bug before I had access to any development machine. 15:04 gmcharlt I'm not aware of any 15:04 jcamins Okay. 15:04 jcamins I'll try and remember to submit one. 15:06 jcamins But my server is on 3.2-RC, so I won't be doing it now. 15:09 jcamins Hm. nengard's patch for bug 5040 doesn't appear to have made it in, either. 15:09 munin 04Bug http://bugs.koha-community.org/bugzilla3/show_bug.cgi?id=5040 enhancement, PATCH-Sent, ---, nengard, ASSIGNED, "Distance" misspelled in default framework 15:37 markk hello again ... 15:40 markk i have a problem in koha 3.00.06.010 while adding a new MARC record I can't edit the fields 003 and 005 for example by clicking on the <...> to the right of the text box. Any idea why? 008 is working and popping a window with fields to edit. 15:40 markk should I upgrade or is there anything else I should do/check? 15:45 jcamins markk: you should be able to just enter text directly into the box for 003. 15:45 jcamins 005 is automatically filled in, I think. 15:47 markk yes I can ... but as far as I recall an older version did popup upon clickng on the <...> ... the librarian @ the library I installed it keeps asking me to make it work .. they have some option to set for the Arabic things 15:49 markk btw where can I download th 3.2.0 version? 15:49 owen http://www.koha-community.org 15:52 jcamins markk: 003 and 005 don't have any flexibility in their values. 15:52 jcamins Do they mean 006? 15:53 markk 006 is working ... apparently they'r just asking for it bcuz of the <...> not showing up anything ... btw i'm not a librarian and don't know what r these used for :) 15:54 jcamins 003 should *always* be set to your MARC organizational code, and 005 should always be the date that the record was last modified. 15:55 jcamins So there shouldn't be ellipses next to the 003 and 005. Good catch. 15:55 markk mmmm i see ... 10x jcamins 16:48 brendan morning 16:50 markk morning 16:50 markk though it's still 7.05pm here :) 18:20 chris And another group fly out 18:24 owen Are you in kohacon withdrawal chris? 18:37 chris Yup 18:40 brendan morning chris 18:51 chris hiya brendan 18:52 gmcharlt hi chris, brendan 18:52 brendan heya gmcharlt 18:53 chris http://freshmeat.net/projects/koha 18:53 * chris regained control of the freshmeat listing 18:53 chris https://launchpad.net/koha 18:58 chris also http://koha-releasemanagement.branchable.com/ 19:03 markk guys ... did anyone tried to install koha 3.2 on ubuntu 10.04? there's a perl requirement "Graphics::Magick" that i ain't able to install it through cpan 19:03 chris install the package 19:04 chris http://packages.ubuntu.com/lucid/libgraphics-magick-perl 19:05 jcamins Oops, did I forget that one in my instructions? 19:06 jcamins I should write out proper instructions on the wiki. 19:07 chris gmcharlt: got a sec? 19:07 gmcharlt yep 19:07 chris would you be able to set up a repo for biblibre at git.koha-community.org please? 19:08 gmcharlt yep 19:08 gmcharlt sec 19:14 munin New commit(s) kohagit: bug 5318: fix value of r4 rank weight <http://git.koha-community.org/gitweb/?p=koha.git;a=commitdiff;h=eb1a7e06917f54f88278b4056893f7a4cbff323a> / remove unused template include <http://git.koha-community.org/gitweb/?p=koha.git;a=commitdiff;h=8893e38c6e8b9fe0f43233163a6502932236063b> 19:17 chris_n !hudson build Koha_3.2.x now 19:18 chris bot isnt around chris_n 19:18 * chris_n looks around for hudson 19:18 chris_n k 19:18 chris i turned the irc off because it was breaking things, until they fix the plugin 19:18 chris its actually building anyway 19:18 chris http://bugs.koha-community.org:8080/ 19:19 gmcharlt chris: done, wip/koha-biblibre, and hdl has push access 19:20 chris fab thank you 19:22 chris_n chris: if its scratched off here http://koha-releasemanagement.branchable.com/ its been pushed to master and is considered stable? 19:23 chris yes 19:23 chris_n cool 19:24 chris for everything with a bug number, im pushing a branch, then merging it 19:24 chris that should hopefully make it easier for you 19:25 chris ill do my list of patches pushed each day as well 19:25 chris its really easy to do, cos its just a git repo 19:25 * chris like ikiwiki a lot 19:48 pianohack Hallo 19:50 * chris_n slaps pianohack on the back and says "Howdy!" 19:50 pianohack hey chris_n 19:50 pianohack How's it going? 19:50 chris_n fast and furious :-) 19:51 pianohack Good or bad? I've had good fast days and ... bad fast days 19:59 larsw chris, yay, ikiwiki! 20:01 chris_n pianohack: mostly good 20:31 hdl chris : is it gitosis@git.koha-community.org or gitolite@git.koha-community.org ? 20:31 hdl (to push I mean) 20:32 chris gitmaster 20:32 chris gitmaster@git.koha-community.org 20:33 chris so i have a pre-commit hook, that runs compile tests .. can run perlcritic and perltidy too, but disabled at the moment, ill push up the branch with it in soon so you can test 20:44 hdl thanks 20:48 hdl chris : is that githook sending back the compile errors so user can easily fix the errors ? 20:48 chris yep 20:51 chris like this 20:51 chris # Failed test 'use C4::Auth_with_ldap;' 20:51 chris # at t/00-load.t line 18. 20:51 chris # Tried to use 'C4::Auth_with_ldap'. 20:51 chris # Error: No "ldapserver" in server hash from KOHA_CONF: /home/chrisc/koha-dev/etc/koha-conf.xml 20:52 chris im gonna drop that out of the critical tests 20:53 hdl chris 8-) 20:53 hdl neat 20:54 hdl I am rebasing on master. I think it is right ? 20:54 chris yup 20:56 hdl chris : is there a way to do git gc on gitosis servers ? 20:57 chris not sure 20:57 hdl (I know I could make a cronjob on the server.) 20:57 hdl But I donot know whether i could break anything. 21:00 hdl and rebase will create many objects. 21:00 hdl (commits objects) 21:00 hdl So we have to remove those... 21:01 gmcharlt hdl: git gc can be croned 21:01 gmcharlt and isn't particularly dangerious 21:01 hdl good. 21:02 hdl Have you tested that ? 21:02 hdl hi gmcharlt 21:03 hdl Is that you who were on the juice integration part for koha ? 21:05 gmcharlt no 21:06 hdl were you part of the decision takers ? 21:12 hdl chris: should I commit a Plack branch ? Or will you ? 21:12 chris you can, ill poke at it 21:13 chris make it a wip branch 21:13 hdl chris: ok. 21:13 chris so people dont try to actually use it yet 21:13 hdl in git.koha-community or in new/koha-biblibre repo ? 21:14 chris id put it in your repo 21:14 hdl k 21:14 hdl have you made any other changes before testing ? 21:14 schuster Chris - I wanted to thank you for all your hard work in getting kohacon10 off the ground. Sorry I wasn't able to attend, but look forward to the next few months to see how 3.4 will come along! 21:14 hdl schuster++ 21:15 hdl actually 21:15 hdl chris++ 21:15 schuster When we had it in Plano I didn't realize how valuable that Hackfest was going to be... But then again my wife didn't understand either so.... 21:16 schuster by all have a great time without me... home again home again! 21:17 chris hdl: nope 21:19 chris http://git.catalyst.net.nz/gw?p=koha.git;a=shortlog;h=refs/heads/git-hooks 21:22 chris hdl: try that out 21:22 hdl oh Dancer hack :) 21:23 hdl committers should make links to their websites :D 21:33 chris_n hehehe 21:39 brendan heya sekjal 21:40 sekjal morning, brendan 21:40 chris_n howdy brendan and sekjal 21:41 brendan heya chris_n 21:41 sekjal hey, chris_n 21:47 Genji hiya all.. what are available marc fields available for library's custom use? 21:48 jcamins Genji: you could use whatever fields you wanted. In MARC21, x9x and 9xx fields (except for 490) are not defined by the standard. 21:48 jcamins Koha uses 942 and 952, but I think you could change that if you really wanted to. 22:07 munin New commit(s) kohagit: bug 5050 move language prefs to I18N/L10N tab <http://git.koha-community.org/gitweb/?p=koha.git;a=commitdiff;h=63536aecd95fd3634eca88196799c912d3f3fdd7> / bug 5151 removed bolded terms in breadcrumbs <http://git.koha-community.org/gitweb/?p=koha.git;a=commitdiff;h=a671da42a15b5c74ac5c2ca3206c875bbe2ba157> / bug 5237: Testing renewals on patron barcodes with + signs at the end <http://git.koha-community.org/gitweb/?p=koha.git 22:17 wasabi http://letsgetdugg.com/2009/04/19/finding-circular-reference-leaks-in-perl/ 22:20 sekjal I've got my C4 Dependencies script to recursively walk all of C4, and spit out its findings in .dot format 22:21 sekjal hoping to drop that into Graphviz on the plane ride home, and see something useful 22:22 chris awesome 22:26 sekjal still need a little more logic to keep it from processing lines in the POD... probably a some kind of exit once it spots a line beginning with "=" would work 22:27 munin New commit(s) kohagit: Merge remote branch 'kc/new/for-3.4/spelling' into kcmaster <http://git.koha-community.org/gitweb/?p=koha.git;a=commitdiff;h=f0fc240e91634bc538a527b79d0fae4af96abaa0> 22:29 hdl @later tell slef http://groups.google.com/group/github/browse_thread/thread/d7230db4e8fa6adb 22:29 munin hdl: The operation succeeded. 22:54 hdl chris are we going together for lunch ? 22:54 chris i have a meeting at 12.30 .. i think paul and you were invited to the meeting too? 22:56 hdl only paul as far as i know. 22:56 chris ahh 22:56 chris maybe you should go with mason and brooke for lunch? 22:57 hdl they already went ;) 22:57 chris ah ha 22:57 hdl that's ok. 22:57 chris is sekjal around? 22:57 hdl I'll see 22:57 hdl yes. (on phone) 22:58 jcamins hdl: if it makes you feel any better, I didn't have lunch with any Koha people today. ;) 22:58 hdl :D 22:58 * hdl sending you a virtual big breakfast.... 22:59 jcamins :D 22:59 robin I'm up for lunch if people want :) 23:00 gmcharlt let's make it a transpacific lunch-dinner meeting :) 23:01 robin I dunno, IRC and food don't mix. Everyone knows you can't dissolve IRC in food. 23:01 robin hdl: or have you left already? 23:01 hdl still there. 23:02 hdl ok for me. 23:02 robin cool, let me know when you're thinking of going. I'm getting tired of trying to bend MARC to my will. 23:02 hdl I'll ask sekjal 23:02 jcamins robin: what is your will that MARC will not bend to? 23:03 robin jcamins: oh, just that I have multiple fields rather than one field with multiple subfields. It's not so much MARC's issue, just that it's adding to my converstion script, which is already 90% special cases. 23:04 robin and is now 1068 lines long, to convert CSV to MARC. 23:04 jcamins Ah. Yeah, I know exactly what you're talking about. 23:08 hdl (MARC is not really a handy format for data manipulation ;) ) 23:08 robin that is certainly the truth 23:12 hdl robin: ok we can go now if you want 23:12 robin hdl: sure, I'll pop down to L3 in a minute