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23:52 richard one of the reasons i actively avoid bus trips
23:50 mason can you imagine how horrible that would be
23:49 richard heh
23:48 mason wild-thing rounds
23:47 mason spank that ukulele guys!!
23:46 mason sweet azz
23:46 slef bbl
23:46 slef ook, we're off! I'm going to disconnect before it disconnects me
23:45 mason yep, i think
23:45 slef his meeting was aus am no?
23:45 mason yeah, thought so
23:45 slef not back yet afaik
23:45 mason or is he flying in today...
23:44 mason is bob.b there too?
23:44 mason oooh, nice choice ;)
23:44 slef yes, white, large
23:43 mason ask size/color, if so...
23:43 slef oh I can
23:43 slef can't see her yet
23:43 mason nope, working/day-off for me...
23:43 mason ask wizzy if she wants a tshirt, im about to order them....
23:42 slef mason: you not here?
23:42 mason heya slef
23:38 slef hi from the Levin bus!
22:51 wizzyrea_ woot
22:51 chris yup
22:50 wizzyrea_ 12:45 is when we assemble, afaik
22:50 nod :)
22:50 nod be at the bus at 12:45
22:50 nod levin trip leaves at 13:00
21:53 chilts gotta do my GST return today too
21:53 chilts got lots done last night :)
21:53 chilts sounds cool, I wanted to go but made the right decision not too
21:53 chris but the conversation was good
21:52 chilts :)
21:52 chris i only had lemonade
21:52 chris chilts: they were good
21:51 slef bbl
21:51 * chilts terminates his instance
21:51 chilts ah well, maybe after lunch :)
21:51 chilts I can get in with: mysql -u newkoha -p
21:49 chilts I'm guessing DB connectivity
21:49 chilts heh, from the homepage of opac and intranet, I keep getting redirected to /cgi-bin/koha/maintenance.pl and I'm not sure why
21:46 chilts chris: how was drinks last night?
21:46 chilts slef: also, some people are heading up the coast today :)
21:45 chilts though Amazon hasn't given me access to RDS so am just using Robin's koha package :)
21:45 chilts I'm writing mine too :)
21:45 chris not me, im writing a speech
21:44 slef chilts: I think everyone sleeps now, after 3 days of intense talks and social meals
20:18 chilts I have a question about packaging :)
20:18 chilts robin: you around?
20:16 munin brendan: The current temperature in Northwest Goleta, Goleta, California is 21.9ï¿½C (1:29 PM PDT on October 27, 2010). Conditions: Clear. Humidity: 37%. Dew Point: 7.0ï¿½C. Pressure: 30.01 in 1016.1 hPa (Steady).
20:16 brendan @wunder 93117
19:25 richard hiyas
19:25 wizzyrea_ hi there
19:25 chris hey richard and wizzyrea_
19:22 richard hi
19:03 cyrixbmx ok
19:02 jcamins Oh. Well, I would recommend trying to e-mail the list, because you've been asking that question for a week on #koha, and it seems no one has been able to answer.
19:01 cyrixbmx I didn't send my message at the email list
18:59 jcamins Your message to the list.
18:58 cyrixbmx send what?
18:58 jcamins When did you send it?
18:58 jcamins I don't recall seeing any message.
18:57 jcamins Oh, you already e-mailed?
18:57 cyrixbmx not again
18:57 jcamins cyrixbmx: did you try e-mailing the list?
18:57 cyrixbmx But since there is double quote in the string, koha can not translate the sentend with : msgstr "les donnï¿½es d'Amazon sur l'interface professionnelle (y compris les critiques et les liens \"Recherche interne\" sur les pages de dï¿½tails de l'ouvrage). Ceci nï¿½cessite une demande de clï¿½ d'accï¿½s et la saisie de cette mï¿½me clï¿½."
18:57 cyrixbmx Why in Koha when I have a double quote in my sentence I can not translate de sentence in my file .po? Exemple : in the file fr-CA-pref.po I have the following string : msgid "enhanced-content.pref#AmazonEnabled# data from Amazon on the staff interface (including reviews and \"Search Inside\" links on item detail pages). This requires that you have signed up for and entered an access key."
18:44 * jcamins is very fond of book catalogs/handlists.
18:44 jcamins Or book catalogs.
18:43 jcamins Yes.
18:36 gmcharlt which of course is exactly why some people still need to be able to print catalog cards from their ILS
18:36 jcamins (of course, then there are the people who feel that have an *electronic* catalog is more important than a functioning catalog, but there's nothing to be done about them)
18:32 jcamins Well, if you don't have reliable electricity, you probably wouldn't want an electronic catalog at all.
18:26 chris well i should make my way into town for meetings before the levin trip
18:25 chris yeah true
18:25 gmcharlt get that, and you almost don't need better solar panels
18:24 * gmcharlt would settle for just cheap batteries that had (a) a higher energy density and (b) were cleaner
18:23 chris with electricity, everything else becomes easy
18:23 chris and cheap batteries to store the collected power
18:23 chris jcamins: cheap solar panels .. we need to invent them
18:22 * brendan googles maku ra pea
18:22 brendan ok sorry - that's wasn't great
18:22 * brendan likes to pee from time to time
18:21 chris maku ra pea
18:21 brendan cool what song?
18:21 brendan hackfest starts tomorrow
18:21 chris its reliable electricity
18:21 chris connectivity is the least of the problems
18:21 chris gmcharlt: from what i learnt from amzari, olugbenga and farasats talk
18:20 chris brendan: yep, gotta teach them all a song on the bus
18:20 gmcharlt following a common pattern of countries that have decent cell phone coverage but poor copper
18:19 gmcharlt connectivity is a relative thing - I would not be too surprised if somebody told me that there were countries that had reliable 3G service but poor wired connectivity
18:18 jcamins There probably aren't that many places where there is both the need and the connectivity, but I'd imagine there are some.
18:18 gmcharlt is the hackfest today?
18:17 jcamins Right.
18:17 gmcharlt jcamins: interesting idea. by "have the infrastructure" you mean a sufficient degree of net connectivity?
18:16 brendan chris you going to levin too?
18:15 jcamins Hey, you know what would be cool? I was just talking about this with one of our interns- an initiative to offer steeply discounted hosting to school libraries in developing countries which have the infrastructure and need for an online catalog, but not the ability to host it in-house.
18:14 brendan morning chris
18:12 hudsonbot chris_n: thanks a lot! om nom nom. I just love m&m's!
18:12 chris_n !hudson botsnack m&m's
18:11 chris_n lol
18:10 chris heh
18:09 * owen was about to point you all to the local free paper's site which covers the event, finds that Google says it hosts malware now
18:09 chris chris_n: hudson is back
18:08 chris it has the best tshirts
18:08 brendan well it was always billed to me in that sense
18:07 jcamins brendan said it was the largest.
18:07 owen Yes. I didn't know it was characterizes as the biggest in the US. I haven't attended for many years.
18:06 jcamins Aren't you in Athens, OH?
18:05 owen Is that what they're calling our local one?
18:04 jcamins owen: by the way, are you going to the largest halloween party in the US?
18:02 * chris takes this opportunity to upgrade it
18:01 * chris goes to look
18:01 jcamins owen: yes, most definitely. However, there's still a bug, and I figured that might be schuster's next question. :)
18:01 chris did hudson take a nap?
17:57 chris_n owen: sorry... I meant hudson
17:54 paul_p skyping with wife & sons now ;-)
17:54 paul_p hi owen
17:53 owen jcamins: displaying all 490s is better than not displaying some isn't it? Given there is no handling of 800's
17:52 owen Good morning paul_p and hdl
17:48 owen Missing bugs?
17:45 chris_n am I the only one missing bugs.
17:25 schuster HAH AHHHHH...
17:24 * jcamins thought about writing "AACR2-complaint," but managed to misspell that and get "compliant."
17:24 jcamins owen: yeah, 490s are all displayed in 3.2, but that means that the display is not *strictly* AACR2-compliant.
17:23 jcamins (different aspects of the problem)
17:23 jcamins cait, sekjal, and I are all working on that issue, I think.
17:23 owen And may be fixed in 3.2. I seem to remember something similar
17:22 jcamins schuster: yes. It is both a bug and... ;)
17:20 schuster So is that a bug? or???
17:20 schuster Another of that same series had a 490 indicator of 1(should be traced in the 800's which it was) but Series - on the opac was blank.
17:19 schuster Clarification on series - we have some 490's one was not traced so had a first indicator of 0 so in the series line on the opac it said "Series" and listed it.
15:57 ebegin :)
15:57 brendan_l ah commented out the fast indexer - will uncomment
15:56 brendan_l going to double check now
15:56 brendan_l usually do a mass index on the weekends and then fast indexer should be every minute
15:56 ebegin ok. and it is never reindexed, right?
15:55 brendan_l is overwritten
15:55 brendan_l I mean the database
15:55 ebegin by refreshed, do you mean reindexed or the database is overwritten?
15:54 brendan_l ebegin the catalog is refreshed every hour
15:04 ebegin brendan, how often is reindexed the demo (catalog.bywatersolutions.com) ?
14:25 ebegin ok. I'll check in 15 minutes or so :)
14:25 jcamins He's usually online starting around 11.
14:24 jcamins ebegin: should be reindexed every 15 minutes, I think. brendan would be the one to ask, though.
14:23 ebegin Does catalog.bywatersolutions.com is reindexed once a while?
14:03 ebegin I'll try on the demo catalogue too see if the problem in on my side.
14:03 ebegin jcamins, that what I though too...
14:02 kmkale bye all
14:00 jcamins ebegin: it should do it automatically, I think.
13:47 ebegin Is there a way to search through the Notes (field 500) using the Keyword search?
13:46 gmcharlt +1 to widening currency.rate
13:37 markk ok
13:37 owen http://bugs.koha-community.org/
13:36 markk where can i submit it?
13:35 owen markk: Feel free to submit a bug report about that. If it is agreed, the database could be altered in the next version.
13:34 markk owen: Thank You!! It Works!!
13:30 ebegin Hey! I just noticed that the marc 500 field is not search though the kw index. Anyone can confirm that?
13:26 owen markk: ALTER TABLE `currency` CHANGE `rate` `rate` FLOAT( 15, 5 ) NULL DEFAULT NULL
13:24 jcamins Ah. No queries that start with spaces.
13:24 markk mmmmm ok 10x :) i'll check it and report back
13:24 owen It's probably only enforced in the database structure, though, so you could probably alter that table column
13:24 jcamins_a The Reports module just gave me an error "1" when trying to create a new report from SQL.
13:23 owen The database column is defined as "float(7,5)" so there's not room for your value
13:22 markk yep
13:21 owen markk: Are you seeing that the rate is recorded as "99.99999" ?
13:17 markk hey guys!! I have a problem adding a new currency with a high rate. LBP is 1507.5 against USD. no error is given, only that the "Data Recorded". any idea if there's a max Rate and where can it be altered?
11:42 kmkale_ hi all
10:38 bigbrovar Hi guys its me again (the new guy who always ask the noob question lol ) anyway I am almost done migrating our spreedsheet based catalog system to marc. I just want to add a field for reserved works. but I don't know the marc equivalent to use for that. any help?
06:48 wajasu gnight
06:48 wajasu well. i figured out how to get my overdue notices working.
06:33 wajasu hiya
06:12 kmkale hi all
05:41 wajasu looks like i have to supply a username and password when adding a patron to get the account details emailed to them.
03:09 wajasu ok. i see its failing to connect to localhost. because I configured a postfix null client (no smtp. i've been running the commandline /usr/bin/mail and /usr/bin/sendmail which work.
03:00 wajasu found your Mail::Sendmail commandline. trying.
02:58 slef bbl
02:56 cait i have to log off, low battery
02:56 wajasu ok
02:56 slef I cannot easily from here :-/
02:55 slef if you search irc archive websit, you should find my test command
02:55 cait hm, so my guess was not bad )
02:55 wajasu well i guess that mean no message_queue.
02:55 slef it's misnamed, it uses smtp
02:54 slef perldoc Mail::Sendmail, wajasu
02:54 wajasu maybe its in Mail::Sendmail
02:53 wajasu i'll look for sendmail.
02:53 wajasu whatever sendmail(%mail) or carp $Mail::Sendmail::error; does.
02:53 cait so they go into the message_queue?
02:52 wajasu Letters.pm sends mail for issue, claimissues, claimaquisition,members.
02:52 * cait waves to hdl
02:51 cait slef: thx for explaining :)
02:50 slef cait: I refuse to incriminate myself by disagreeing with lars :)
02:50 wajasu what would be nice is a way to test sending an email to an address to ensure things work. i'll look for it in bugzilla, and add as an enhancement.
02:50 slef video of 10y in 10mis to be released online
02:49 cait slef: ? :)
02:48 slef robin-: I plead the fifth.
02:44 wajasu looks like memberentry.pl calls SendAlerts('members' ...) which as per Letters.pm fills in the letter, creates a mail, and calls sendmail
02:39 cait robin-: I suspect the claim requests from serials and acq are perhaps not in the queue too - not sure here either. but they are sent out immediately after you press the button
02:37 cait robin-: can't send mails from my laptop, if you help me with that I can test ;)
02:36 cait :)
02:36 cait you can build reports on it
02:36 cait robin: it is
02:35 robin- cait: if I get time I may have to fix that. Having the message queue is useful.
02:35 cait but would need testing
02:35 cait robin: I could imagine the change address requests are one of them
02:35 robin- slef: that was where Lars put them, I was assuming he knew what he was doing:)
02:34 cait robin-: I think some things are older than the queue and sent out without using the cronjob
02:34 robin- cait: curious. That should be fixed.
02:34 slef I think we could use /var/backups
02:33 slef robin-: hmmm... what does policy say?
02:33 cait robin-: I think some mails are bypassing the queue
02:33 jcamins http://donum.numismatics.org/
02:33 jcamins Errr, my suggestions for this session. Otherwise I'm mostly representing C & P.
02:32 robin- slef: /var/spool/koha
02:32 wizzyrea_ what's the url of your opac?
02:32 slef robin-: are they in /var/backups? (I don't remember if we use them or our own stuff)
02:32 jcamins wizzyrea_: my suggestions were as Asst Librarian at the American Numismatic Society.
02:31 robin- I'd be surprised if it bypasses the queue
02:31 wizzyrea_ jcamins I forget where you're from
02:31 slef moo
02:29 wajasu i am trying to find where if you add a new patron, the code sends an email with account details. I added a patron and saw nothing in the message_queue. Actullay it looks like an email is sent directly, by passing the message queue. now to look in my postfix logs i guess.
02:26 wizzyrea_ just as they are
02:26 wizzyrea_ nah, your questions play fine in this forum
02:26 jcamins I should perhaps clarify that my suggestions are coming not as a demi-vendor but as a non-senior librarian at a small Koha-using library.
02:24 wizzyrea_ ^^ of course
02:24 robin- (Which should then be shipped offsite)
02:24 wizzyrea_ j/k
02:24 jcamins robin-: that's awesome!
02:24 wizzyrea_ aren't you FANCY
02:24 jcamins Lee: unfortunately, I'm the choir, not the congregation in this case. ;)
02:24 chris_n cool
02:24 wizzyrea_ ooooo
02:24 robin- If you're using them, the packages automatically keep the last two days of backups:)
02:23 Lee lots of copies keep stuff safe
02:23 chris_n and verify restored data integrity
02:23 Lee lockss is good
02:23 jcamins Yeah. I feel like this is something that it would be really helpful if vendors provided to clients "oh, and here are some suggestions on what you might want to back up, etc."
02:23 chris_n do random restores
02:23 chris_n backup_audits++
02:23 Lee do your back ups actually work?
02:22 wizzyrea_ test your restores frequently
02:21 wizzyrea_ ^^ and that
02:21 Lee MJ Ray is responding to the back up issues, what can you afford to lose?
02:21 wizzyrea_ They say "have a good disaster plan
02:21 Lee IRC comments are being presented
02:21 wizzyrea_ oh yea
02:20 jcamins Probably already mentioned, but libraries should know how to protect their own data. (nengard touched on this in her blog post on MyKoha)
02:20 jcamins Lee: a set of suggested best-practices for libraries in terms of backing up, etc.
02:19 wizzyrea_ http://koha-community.org/about/enhancing-koha/
02:19 Lee last chance for library support issues
02:00 sekjal jcamins: relayed!
01:57 chris_n nengard++ # excellent session summaries
01:53 sekjal jcamins: I'll bring up your comment next time the mic is available
01:51 jcamins Legally.
01:51 jcamins sekjal: I should point out that it's possible that most librarians who are managing a library that uses Koha understand what "open source" means, in which case it might not be necessary to have a nice sheet that explains how source code is available on the internet.
01:48 * chris_n was the most non-happy though
01:47 chris_n lots of non-happy people around here today
01:47 jcamins Ah.
01:47 chris_n a power outage this morning lead to a reboot on our gateway which booted to a buggy kernel which.... you know the rest of the story
01:46 jcamins working, even
01:45 jcamins chris_n: what was wrong with your computer that you didn't have a workin UI?
01:45 jcamins Oh, and share said sheet with the rest of us, because my acting out a git repository just left everyone more confused. ;)
01:44 chris_n wow... nice to have the gui back for irc/inet stuff
01:44 jcamins Educate your customers as much as they're willing to learn! Give them a sheet on "what's a repository, and what does it have to do with me" (i.e. "open source" means *open*).
01:42 sekjal for those here not at KohaCon, we're talking about best practices for support for Koha. If you have any ideas, please speak up!
01:42 * jcamins wonders if he can work Koha into an essay on the Russian avant garde "play" Zangezi.
01:22 magnus slef: not yet
01:22 chris naw 2 months ago :)
01:22 slef chris: is that in core?
01:22 cait aah
01:21 magnus cait: http://git.catalyst.net.nz/gw?p=koha.git;a=shortlog;h=refs/heads/open_library
01:20 magnus chris: cool, thanks!
01:20 chris_n bbiab
01:20 * chris_n goes for yet another reboot
01:19 cait you didn't to that right now, did you?
01:19 chris openlibrary covers in koha
01:18 chris magnus: http://opac.koha.workbuffer.org/cgi-bin/koha/opac-search.pl?q=hello
01:18 slef speak of the devil!
01:18 slef ahah!
01:18 nengard blog post published
01:17 slef real
01:17 slef if I had a rewal keyb, I'd try to transcribe, but for now you have tweets and nengard
01:16 chris_n oh for a live a/v feed :'(
01:16 slef wondered if anyone had a link :-)
01:15 slef chris_n: george oates mentioned them in her q+a
01:15 cait jcamins: but only fair :)
01:15 chris_n slef: OSAB is easier to remember
01:14 cait jcamins: ouch
01:14 chris_n ahh
01:14 jcamins :)
01:14 slef chris_n: open standards for annotations and bookmarking
01:14 jcamins But turn about is fair play, so I'm going to volunteer you to figure out how libraries that don't store ISBD punctuation in their records can use the simple cataloging interface.
01:13 slef openbookmarks
01:13 chris_n slef: please define
01:13 slef openmarginalia?
01:13 cait :)
01:13 jcamins cait: okay, I guess.
01:12 cait jcamins_a: hope it's ok I volunteered you ;)
01:12 cait nengard++
01:12 cait nengard## # for us poor Europeans not understanding everything during the presentation
01:11 jcamins_a nengard++ # for summarizing so us poor exhausted USians can understand what's going on
01:11 jcamins_a cait: really? Yay!
01:11 nengard jcamins_a it's coming
01:11 * slef stops blue funking around and gets excited about openlibrary
01:11 chris_n wonderful thing,language :-)
01:10 cait ... whatever
01:10 cait look at
01:10 cait jcamins: chris has more analytics patches for us to look on
01:09 cait great :)
01:09 jcamins_a I hope nengard posts on whatever the discussion was about OpenLibrary. From Twitter it looks interesting.
01:09 chris_n hey cait, how's things on the other side of the world?
01:08 cait hi chris_n
01:08 chris_n g'evening
00:47 wajasu done.
00:45 cait I think it should be ok to delete them from the database
00:45 wajasu i have 3 sets of 44 in thre cause i ran overdue_notices.pl 3 times
00:44 wajasu does anyone know if its safe for me to just delete the messages in the message_queue?
00:43 wajasu it makes sense, but some documentation next to the cronjob description for that script might be worth it.
00:42 wajasu oooh. the branch admin email address is used before the koha admin email address. We need this documented better, or when folks run their 1st overdue_notices.pl, they might send em where they don't want to, and as in my case, with a display name of "root", since I didn't specify one.
00:30 * slef goes to add this to the next members' meeting, shuffle bugs and email
00:28 chris right
00:28 slef chris: but it's 0140 back home now, no members online afaict
00:28 slef chris: 7 days would be ok, 2 days doable, even 1 day if urgent
00:27 chris yep
00:27 slef and we try to form alliances since years, but bywater is the first one to start working
00:27 chris and the site went live 3mins before he got to that slide, so its all bit rushed :(
00:26 chris yeah we only came up with the idea 10 days ago
00:25 slef chris: big thing is it'll be 2010-11-02 to get it to members+back so we'll've missed the launch which irritates me never mind other members who haven't heard this talk.
00:25 wajasu ok. if not, i'll add one.
00:24 slef wajasu: can you check that's filed on bugs please?
00:24 chris slef: feel free to flame him after the talk in private, id love to have software.coop involved and we would be willing to change whatever to make that happen
00:23 wajasu note: when i saved the email address formatted as above, the greater than/less than messup in the the system preferences editor. need to be escaped i guess.
00:23 slef think I'll not ask a q in public... I'd only flame
00:22 wajasu ok
00:21 slef wajasu: I'd expect it to queue the same things, but read C4::Letters to check
00:20 wajasu i also saved "MyLibrary Librarian" <library@mylibrary.org> so I hope that is what gets put in the From: header.
00:20 slef wajasu: sorry, distracted
00:20 wajasu i know when I use sendmail form the command line, the user i send to gets "root" as the display name and the correct KohaEmailAdminAddress, but I want them to get "MyLibrary Librarian" as the display name.
00:18 wajasu i want to test email before having all this go out.
00:17 wajasu yes
00:17 slef wajasu: mmm, run on same day?
00:16 wajasu if i run the overdue notices crontab script, should it keep queueing up the same set of notices?
00:16 slef only open, not free? :-(
00:16 slef what?
00:13 slef yeah that's another unfun side
00:13 chris but once we fix that
00:13 chris no, our copyrights too messed up
00:13 slef or d.o-ready?
00:13 slef are packages in d.o yet?
00:12 slef oooh! tubular bells at the back!
00:12 chris yep
00:12 slef as both perl and webapps policies sucked
00:11 slef not sure it's even hard. hard is making it acceptable to ftpmaster policy
00:11 chris i think really really hard not impossible to be fair
00:10 slef wow, really?
00:10 chris vincent
00:10 slef oh... who?
00:10 slef no idea if debian perl policy was updated since
00:10 chris it wasnt you that said it was impossible
00:10 slef s/yet/wasn't possible yet
00:09 slef I feel misunderstood again btw. I think we said that a policy-compliant one-line installable package yet, so we started trying to extend debian perl policy to cope with it... and then we got distracted by people paying us to work on other stuff
00:07 bengard (no, it was in reaction to visual stimuli)
00:07 * braedon is slightly disappointed
00:07 braedon (o, so not spontaneous then?)
00:07 bengard (being the one that was in the slide show)
00:07 slef phone crashed :-/
00:06 braedon (the third being the famous one)
00:06 braedon (it was the second line)
00:06 slef back
00:06 bengard I'm out of quotes, anyway
00:06 bengard heh
00:06 braedon (we need a third person to be CATS)
00:05 bengard braedon: what you say???
00:05 nengard hey - i took that picture of chris ;)
00:05 bengard you can see the sign from the intersection
00:05 braedon bengard: Main screen turn on.
00:05 bengard that sounds right to me
00:05 cait magnus++
00:04 magnus if you cross the street from The Library and go round the corner on the left you get there, i think
00:04 bengard someone set us up the bomb!
00:03 nengard right
00:03 bengard on a cross street, though, not on the same street (I think)
00:03 bengard it's near the library (the bar)
00:03 slef ta... will find it :-)
00:03 cait across the library they said?
00:02 bengard not sure about the number
00:02 bengard 6pm, I believe
00:02 slef argh I just confused myself with numbers... when + what no Tory st is dinner?
00:00 bengard slef: maybe your ears need a patch ;)