Time Nick Message 00:24 cait hi wizzyrea 00:24 wizzyrea_ hey cait :D 00:25 wizzyrea_ are you stucks in the airport? 00:25 cait in a hotel near the airport without power adapter 00:25 cait not much better 00:25 wizzyrea_ :/ 00:26 wizzyrea_ yea, that's no fun 00:26 cait I envy you even more right now :) 00:27 jcamins_a At least it was a large enough airport that there was a hotel nearby. 00:27 jcamins_a :) 00:27 wizzyrea_ Aw, if it makes you feel better we're basically stuck at home for a few hours every day while spud sleeps 00:27 jcamins_a And this is good... it'll give you the opportunity to relax without a computer... right? 00:27 cait I would prefer that ;) 00:27 cait I can't relax without my computer 00:28 chris wizzyrea_: well you could come round and do my presentation, i already suggested that :) 00:28 cait why would you do such an evil thing? 00:28 wizzyrea_ do you really want me talking about what's in 3.4? 00:28 cait you don't like me? 00:28 wizzyrea_ Because I might say that we're adding a completely web based templating engine 00:28 cait ah, sorry, confused 00:28 wizzyrea_ >.> 00:29 jcamins_a wizzyrea_: heh. Congratulations on your transition to "major template implementor"! 00:29 cait it's been a long day 00:29 * wizzyrea_ dies 00:29 chris hehe 00:30 cait oh no 00:30 cait you killed wizzyrea 00:30 jcamins_a I just learned something really silly... it turns out when you make ravioli, you're supposed to use *two* layers of pasta. No folding involved. 00:31 wizzyrea_ ...you didn't know that? 00:31 * jcamins_a folded every single ravioli by hand when he tried it last time... no wonder it seemed outrageously slow. 00:31 cait hm found a muffin in my backpack 00:31 wizzyrea_ lay down one sheet, dollops of filling, then another sheet on top 00:31 wizzyrea_ >.> 00:32 jcamins_a Now you tell me? :P 00:32 cait you haven't asked before 00:32 wizzyrea_ dude. I've been known to make asian dumplings the hard way 00:32 jcamins_a cait: you knew too? 00:32 cait if you feel like folding - you could fold tortellinie 00:32 cait tortellini 00:32 jcamins_a I _hate_ folding. 00:33 cait of course I knew ;) 00:33 imp jcamins_a: you took the ones from a tin as example? 00:33 * cait is watching to many tv shows about cooking 00:33 jcamins_a imp: no, we don't buy ravioli... probably if we did I would've been more clear about what they looked like. 00:34 jcamins_a They're square. 00:34 jcamins_a (you learn something new every day) 00:34 imp some from tins are folded, some not ;) 00:36 cait ok, have to go, battery low 00:36 wizzyrea_ gl on your trip cait, see you soon! 00:36 cait good night all 00:36 chris gl cait 00:37 cait thx :) 00:37 cait hope to see you soon! 00:55 darling robin found some useful language tips for those travelling to nz -- 00:55 darling http://www.parliament.nz/en-NZ/AboutParl/HstBldgs/History/Special/Language/d/8/8/d8896b2516084ed6bd87f0ae8da0982e.htm 01:03 * chris_n watches all of the planes roar off toward NZ-land 02:21 SelfishMa hmm...the search by author link on the staff side still has a bad link? 02:22 SelfishMa The RC still links to "/cgi-bin/koha/catalogue/search.pl?q=au:" when clicking on an author name 02:22 SelfishMa or am I just on crack? 02:23 jcamins_a SelfishMa: what is it supposed to do? 02:24 SelfishMa jcamins_a: I assume it would link to search results for that author like the OPAC does 02:24 jcamins_a Oh, I thought you meant it put that before the author's name. 02:24 SelfishMa so basically "/cgi-bin/koha/catalogue/search.pl?q=au:Milne%2C%20Lorus%20Johnson%2C" 02:24 jcamins_a Works for me. 02:24 jcamins_a With XSLT. 02:27 * SelfishMa mumbles 02:28 bfleming IRC hates my freedom 02:29 jcamins_a IRC hates your freedom? 02:32 bfleming Yeah, truncating my nick to 9 characters 02:33 jcamins_a Ah. 02:33 jcamins_a Yeah, I'm actually jcamins_away 02:33 robin jcamins_a: it's good that it doesn't show that, as you're not away 02:34 jcamins Yeah, I guess that's true. 02:35 jcamins Right now I'm writing about the institutionalized racism of Russian Avant-Garde architecture theorists. 02:39 jcamins So I'm not so much "away" as "confused." 02:39 robin heh 02:39 * jcamins_c is jcamins_confused 02:40 robin IRC is allowing you your freedom 02:41 thd chris: are you there? 02:42 chris sorta 02:43 thd Is there any reason that the Americas should be first in the list at http://wiki.koha-community.org/wiki/Koha_Users_Worldwide ? 02:43 robin you're right, Oceania should be at the top. 02:44 brendan_2 I think North comes before Asia in the alpha 02:44 jcamins_c brendan_2: still no power at home? 02:45 thd brendan_2: N comes after A in my alphabet 02:45 brendan_2 got it back - just haven't changed brendan_2 to brendan_l 02:45 brendan_2 thd: :) 02:46 Amit heys chris 02:46 chris nope theres no reason at all 02:46 thd brendan_2: North America should be grouped under Americas but Africa comes before Americas in the Alphabet 02:46 robin But I know chris agrees with me about the position of Oceania. 02:46 jcamins_c thd: we prefer a ROT-13'd alphabets. 02:46 robin jcamins_c: that wouldn't change much :) 02:47 brendan_2 thd: you take all of my comments to seriously - basically what chris said (there's no reasoning behind it) 02:47 Amit heya robin, jcamins_c 02:47 robin Hi 02:47 Amit heya brendan 02:47 brendan_2 I was having some fun ;) 02:47 brendan_2 heya amit 02:47 thd robin: I think that Oceania would certainly come first in an Historical or some other non-neutral arrangement. 02:48 robin I was thinking of ordering them by relative distance from me. That seems objective enough, right? ;) 02:48 jcamins_c Hi, Amit. 02:49 thd robin: Yes, that would be great. You write the MediaWiki extension and I will install it. 02:50 robin I'll get on to that soon... :) 02:50 thd I fixed bugs in two MediaWiki extensions which allowed one to be installed over the weekend. 02:52 thd The top and bottom of each page now have a path of the category tree for each category of a page. 02:52 bfleming ok, I'm obviously completely on crack 02:52 bfleming I can't see a single reason why this link isn't working 02:53 robin thd: cool. I did some mediawiki extensions not too long ago. Reminded me how much I don't enjoy PHP. 02:54 bfleming hmm...figured it out. I'm on crack but that isn't anything new 02:54 thd robin: The difficult part is hooking into the particulars of the MediaWiki code. 02:55 robin yeah, that was just a lot of reading docs and looking at other ones. 03:04 robin http://blog.wlbooks.com/2010/06/argentine-book-tank-bookmobile-for-21st.html <-- Weapon of Mass Instruction 03:05 jcamins_c Awesome! 04:15 robin hmm. There's been a bug introduced recently that causes problems with staging of marc records. Anyone seen this? 04:15 robin (in master) 07:05 chris hi paul_p 07:05 chris in malaysia? 07:05 paul_p hi chris. 07:06 paul_p Still in Europe (Amsterdam). France on strike, thank you froggies 07:06 paul_p 2hours late in AMS yesterday, and only 1H40 between flights 07:06 chris ahh at least you made it to amsterdam 07:06 chris so when do you fly out now? 07:07 paul_p we have a AMS<>KLA at 12. Then a day in KLA, then KLA<>AKL 07:07 chris ah ok 07:07 chris so you get to AKL same time? 07:07 paul_p we will be in AKL at the time expected, except we will be very tired 07:07 chris just lose time in KLA 07:07 chris ? 07:07 paul_p yep 07:07 chris annoying 07:07 paul_p (hdl will be less tired than me : with his ticket problem... he won a business class seat) ;-) 07:08 chris wow, lucky! 07:08 chris all the way to AKL? 07:08 chris you will have to take turns hehe 07:08 paul_p nope. KLA<>ALK 07:08 chris cait missed her connection too 07:08 chris got stuck in london 07:08 paul_p because of france on strike ? 07:09 chris not sure why, could be 07:09 chris so she arrives in AKL same day as you now 07:11 chris so you leave for KLA soon? 07:12 chris 1.5 hours? 07:50 cait morning #koha 07:50 chris heya cait 07:50 chris whens your flight? 07:50 cait 10 pm 07:51 cait will go to the aiport in... 7 hours 07:51 chris oh man 07:51 cait tell me 07:51 cait and room service woke me up 07:51 cait I have to check out at 12, but can charge laptop now 07:53 chris ahh thats good 08:04 jransom hola 08:04 cait hi jo 08:04 jransom hey traveller 08:04 cait was reading your mail a minute ago 08:04 cait traveller implies moving, I am not moving :( 08:04 jransom (trying to remember which one ... ) 08:04 jransom stuck where? 08:05 jransom how come you are stuck? 08:05 cait london still 08:05 cait flight delayed 25 minutes 08:05 cait and we had to wait to start and wait to land :( 08:05 jransom thats not long 08:05 cait I had 1:45 between flights, but that was not enough 08:05 jransom just roll with it sunshine - no point getting stressed 08:06 jransom thats why you missed connections? 08:06 cait they have my suitcase and I really hope it will arrive in auckland with me 08:06 cait yes 08:06 jransom cross fingers 08:06 cait missed my connection to sydney via bangkok 08:06 cait and a lot of other people too 08:06 jransom we sell undies and deoderant and toothbrushes - you'll be right 08:06 cait I need a bit more than that for 2 weeks ;) 08:07 jransom i spent 5 days in Rome with no luggage once - was wonderful :) 08:07 cait I left my overnight package from the airline at the airport :( 08:07 cait but had some things in my backpack 08:07 jransom bum 08:07 cait I spend 2 days in st petersburg without luggage once - was not so wonderful 08:07 jransom so you leaving in 25 mins 08:07 jransom cold .. 08:07 cait yep 08:07 cait no 08:07 cait 10 om 08:08 cait pm 08:08 jransom then flying london to hong kong then auckland 08:08 cait same flight than yesterday 08:08 jransom Olegbunga is trying to get that same flight / route in the next few days i think 08:08 cait flight departure is in more than 10 hours 08:09 jransom thats a very long time .... 08:09 cait yeah... and have to check out of the hotel at 12 08:09 cait better get some breakfast now 08:09 jransom you are having quite an adventure aren't you :) 08:10 cait HMPF! 08:10 cait I felt adventurous enough before that :) 08:11 jransom hehe 08:11 jransom never - it'll be ok in the end - always is 08:11 cait as long as I don't miss you in auckland I will be fine 08:11 cait chris: have you seen magnus? 08:12 chris last time i saw him was him boarding his flight from london 08:12 cait oh, he was here... 08:12 cait in time 08:12 chris yep 08:12 chris so i think he is in SFO now 08:12 jransom Paul and henri-Damien on the move yet? 08:12 chris yes, should be boarding now 08:13 jransom oh its getting so exciting now :) 08:13 jransom Lee arrived today 08:14 cait *sniffs* 08:15 cait will try to get some breakfast 08:15 cait see you later 08:16 chris cya later 08:16 jransom cya babe 08:16 jransom chin up :) 08:22 jransom we need a visualization showing all the people enroute to KohaCon10 08:40 braedon track them all on gps :P 08:40 braedon most will have smartphones right? 08:49 Elwell but not necessarily using roaming data... 08:49 chris and cait doesnt 08:54 cait back 08:54 chris :) 08:55 jransom that was fast 08:57 slef jransom: plot me in hk, quick through transit (~35m) now with free wifi 08:57 jransom slef: I didn't say i was clever enough to do it! 08:57 chris no delays for you? 08:57 jransom good trip so far? 08:57 chris at this rate, you will be the forth one here 08:58 slef late off from lhr, made up with tailwind 08:58 jransom well you must be the only one running to time 08:58 chris liz has been here since sunday, lee arrived today, magnus tomorrow 08:58 slef I think magnus is before us. 08:58 slef aye, then us 08:58 chris yep 08:58 chris all the ppl who didnt get mucked up 08:59 slef sorry - wifi isn't quick, or hk-uk or summat 08:59 slef who's mucked? 08:59 * slef scrolls back 08:59 jransom he gets in at 8.40 - you guys at 10 08:59 chris cait is still in london 08:59 slef awww 08:59 chris and paul and hdl just took off for malaysia now 08:59 jransom runing about 24 hrs late 08:59 chris nicole has just started her trip 09:00 chris her, ian, and brian arrive in wellington on friday 09:00 cait *sniffs again* 09:00 jransom lol 09:00 jransom poor Cait 09:02 jransom daniel and cait get in within 20 mins of each other on the 22nd 09:02 jransom if cait *ever* gets here ... 09:02 cait hey! 09:02 slef cait: I think lhr wifi is like gbp10/24h 09:02 jransom :) 09:03 cait slef? 09:03 chris same cost as hotel then 09:04 cait ah 09:04 slef judst trying to be helpful from when I was there 09:04 cait yes, 5gbp 1 hour , 10 gbp 24 hours 09:04 cait but the real problem was the power 09:04 slef I know it was dear enough I decided 3g was cheaper 09:04 slef # london sucks like a vacuum, do... 09:05 cait my adapter is missing one pin so I was not able to plug in :( got an adapter from the reception now 09:05 cait but I hope the battery of my cell phone will survive until I arrive 09:05 cait I have the cable in my suitcase ... which is... not here 09:06 slef hrm, got to queue 09:07 cait good luck 09:08 slef ta, you too 09:08 jransom happy travelling 09:08 jransom (sends waves to sarah too) 09:43 jransom chris: you got that photo of daniel somewhere? 09:44 jransom he and cait willbe in sydney departure lounge together - they arrive 10 mins apart 09:44 jransom but don't know each other :) 09:44 chris its on flickr 09:44 chris ill try to find it again 09:44 jransom (good thing i am reconciling allthe arrival info) 09:45 cait jransom++ 09:45 jransom brooke is coming in from oz too 09:45 jransom but i dont know which airport 09:47 CGI008 hi everyone 09:47 chris http://www.flickr.com/photos/37713236@N03/3471059718/ 09:48 larsw chris, yay 09:48 jransom there you go Cait 09:48 chris heya larsw :) 09:49 cait thx chris and jo :) 09:49 cait you are great 09:49 jransom no worries 09:49 jransom well i really really do have to go to bed now 09:49 jransom happy travelling and we'll see you on Friday our time :) 09:50 cait ok 09:50 cait good night :) 09:57 cait empathy-- 09:57 chris what did it do? 09:57 cait a lot of things 09:57 cait but know it closed the window where jo posted the email address for me 09:57 chris ahh 09:58 cait know = now 09:58 chris i use pidgin, havent used empathy for ages 09:58 chris well for irc i use irssi, but pidgin for xmpp 09:58 cait I will go back to using pidgn 09:59 cait I am only using empathy because it was already installed 09:59 chris *nod* 09:59 cait the messages look not so nice too and you can't show the date and time at the beginning of a message 10:04 cait1 ah, this is better 10:04 cait1 pidgin++ :) 10:19 cait1 ok, time for check-out 10:19 cait1 bye all :) 10:22 * chris heads to sleep 12:21 owen Hello #koha, those of us remaining... 12:45 braedon hey owen 12:46 owen I suppose #koha must have been this quiet when we were all in Plano last year 12:47 braedon you not heading out this year? 12:47 owen No, can't afford it unfortunately 12:48 braedon :( 12:48 owen well, I could afford it for myself, but not for the wife and 3 kids who would be mad to be left behind :) 12:48 braedon ah 12:58 wasabi !tw test test 12:58 * kcon10bot <wasabi> tweet sent to #kohacon10 12:58 owen See, even robots get to go to KohaCon and I don't! 12:58 braedon working :P 12:58 wasabi w00t 12:59 * braedon was wondering what that kohacon10_irc was on the feed 12:59 braedon don't worry owen, you are not alone 12:59 * braedon is in New Zealand and he still doesn't get to go 13:00 wasabi ive been playing with pipsqueek and net::twitter recently.. 13:00 braedon filthy exams grumble grumble 13:00 owen Bummer, braedon 13:00 owen If only I'd seen this sooner: http://telstarlogistics.typepad.com/telstarlogistics/2010/10/diary-of-a-journey-to-new-zealand-by-container-ship.html 13:01 jcamins good morning, #koha 13:01 braedon 'mornin 13:01 jcamins braedon: shouldn't you be asleep? 13:01 braedon probably 13:01 braedon meh, only 2:13 13:01 braedon still early 13:02 wasabi nice foto-feed own 13:02 wasabi http://www.flickr.com/photos/telstar/2309059699/in/set-72157594321811323/ 13:10 braedon owen: sounds awesome - i'ld give it a go, if only they had internet :P 13:10 wasabi its vey micheal-palin, around the world 13:12 wasabi i wnder how much the cost is for the ship... 13:12 wasabi fr the *voyage* on the ship ;) 13:16 braedon not thinking of starting up your own shipping company wasabi? :P 13:17 wasabi not ever! 13:29 * braedon gives into jcamins' notions of "should" and heads to bed 13:29 jcamins Good night, braedon. 14:06 jcamins Any jQuery experts here? 14:08 owen I can try to help, jcamins 14:08 jcamins I need to replace the "Copies available for loan" on the OPAC search results with "Copies available," and I know it can be done in jQuery. 14:09 jcamins I'm confused because the text is in a <b/> tag, not the <span/> tag with the class name. 14:11 owen $(".available b:contains('Copies available for loan')").text("Foo: "); 14:11 jcamins Awesome! Thanks! 14:11 jcamins owen++ 14:12 owen You have to brute-force that one with ":contains()" because there's no unique identifier 14:12 owen I always assume there is a performance hit for that kind of selecting, but I've never benchmarked it 14:13 jwagner I think owen helped me with this version: $("span:contains('No copies available')").replaceWith("Available Online."); 14:15 jcamins Oh... I guess we could've just used jQuery instead of modifying the stylesheets. 14:18 jcamins (to change the Availability display) 14:19 jcamins Wait, no we couldn't. It would've needed to pull data out of the MARC. 15:30 Brendan-O morning 15:31 jcamins Morning. 15:32 jcamins I guess the proper way to deaccession in Koha is to create an item record and mark the item as withdrawn? 15:36 Oak \o 15:36 owen How do you define deaccession jcamins ? 15:36 jcamins owen: traditionally we don't. 15:37 owen we just delete stuff, so I've always been curious what people used the withdrawn status for 15:37 jcamins In principle it was supposed to be possible to delete a record, but no one could, so that's what I was thinking we'd do, but then I noticed the withdrawn status. 15:38 jcamins (that it is, it was supposed to be possible with the old system, but wasn't; then, I thought we'd actually do it since it's possible with Koha; then, I noticed the withdrawn status) 15:44 jcamins We're just going to continue deleting records when we deaccession. 15:44 jcamins Withdrawn is kind of ugly. 15:48 owen Yeah I'm not sure the withdrawn status is very well defined 15:50 jcamins I think maybe NEKLS uses withdrawn? 15:52 jcamins How can you tell if you're looking at a Koha install or an LEK install? 15:53 owen I don't know that you can, especially not in the OPAC 15:55 jcamins Oh well. It was just idle curiosity, anyway. 16:02 Sharon nope 16:02 Sharon we just delete 16:02 Sharon wait, mickey says we do use withdrawn. 16:02 Sharon not consistently used 16:04 Sharon we need to have a "how do you weed in Koha" discussion with our users group 16:06 owen I could see a workflow where users who didn't have delete privileges used withdrawn to mark items for withdrawn, then later someone else deleted 16:07 Sharon possibly - usually the librarian/director is doing the weeding though. 16:09 jcamins NEKLS++ # my first day on an internship at a library I had never been to before, the librarian gave me a razorblade and told me to weed a section, removing the barcode and titlepage from each book I weeded 16:34 Sharon that's scary. I did a massive weeding at my first library and botched it. didn't know the collection well enough, but we were migrating and I had to do it. Still cringe when I think of the Art History books I sold 16:51 sekjal greetings from the Road to KohaCon! 16:51 Brendan-O heya sekjal 16:52 rhcl Greetings both! 16:54 sekjal currently in Philly, waiting for the next leg to LAX. 16:56 * jcamins is jealous 16:59 sekjal hope I've got enough battery for the leg after that... 17:01 jcamins sekjal: I think there are outlets behind the potted plants in the PHL terminals. 17:02 jcamins I don't remember which gate I was at, though. 17:05 * collum thinks Airplane seats need usb charging connections. Probably already invented. 17:05 sekjal i've got charge in PHL, and USB at my seat from LAX to Sydney 17:06 jcamins Wow! 17:06 jcamins That's amazing! 17:06 schuster That's why I always carried 2 extra batteries! 17:07 sekjal bought an extra laptop battery yesterday 17:07 schuster Weeding discussion that what we do. I have the librarians put them into withdrawn - and then once a year at the end of a couple of days I use the batch delete option. 17:07 sekjal no AC power on the flight down under unless you go Premium Economy or higher 17:08 jcamins schuster: that makes sense. 17:08 schuster I dropped probably 60,000 items in August. My next question though is how can I get a report of bibs without items so I can delete the bibs. 17:08 schuster I bet there is a report on the report wikis 17:08 jcamins schuster: yeah, I think so. 17:08 jcamins schuster: http://wiki.koha-community.org/wiki/SQL_Reports_Library#Records_without_items 17:11 jcamins Written by someone currently on a plane NZ-bound. 17:29 chris_n skejal: perhaps a solar adapter would respond to the reading light next to your seat on the plane... 17:29 chris_n ;-) 17:29 chris_n @wunder 28334 17:29 munin chris_n: The current temperature in Dunn, North Carolina is 17.2�C (1:37 PM EDT on October 20, 2010). Conditions: Light Rain. Humidity: 70%. Dew Point: 12.0�C. Pressure: 29.50 in 998.9 hPa (Falling). 17:32 sekjal i was thinking a small set of bicycle pedals. i could get a workout while i work! 17:32 chris_n lol! 17:32 jcamins sekjal: just so long as they're not squeaky... that would get pretty annoying to your seatmates. 17:33 * chris_n contemplates the possibility of having exercise bikes drive generators as a way of making fitness programs assist in "clean" power generation 17:33 * jcamins thinks he'd be much more likely to work out if it reduced his electric bill. 17:34 sekjal i could consider all the snacks i brought as extra battery power 17:34 chris_n project title: "From Kilo-calories to Kilowatts" 17:35 jcamins Heh. 17:35 sekjal I've thought of putting a treadmill in my office... 17:35 jcamins sekjal: but that requires power. 17:35 chris_n build a gym adjoining your data center and you'll have people paying to help reduce you power bill 17:35 jcamins I like the exercise bike idea better. 17:40 jcamins Anyway, isn't bug fixing like being on a treadmill already? 17:42 chris_n only in that it takes many snacks to keep one coming back for more 17:42 collum I mounted a TV to the wall adjacent to our treadmill because the wife and kids said it was too boring to work out. It was used for 3 days. It is now the most unused TV in our home. 17:45 sekjal yeah, Id have to reverse something in the treadmill, and have it power the house's battery backup 17:46 jcamins I've been pronouncing Koha wrong 17:46 jcamins ! 17:47 jcamins sekjal: that would be bad for your knees, though. 17:49 owen jcamins: You're not pronouncing it wrong 17:49 jcamins Well, not on IRC. 17:50 owen That phonetic description is misleading 17:50 chris_n hehe 17:50 jcamins I've been pronouncing it kO-ha. 17:50 owen That's correct 17:50 jcamins Oh. 17:50 chris_n its all in the vowels I think 17:51 * chris_n thinks FF should recover gracefully when one tab crashes 17:52 chris_n having a separate process per tab might help 17:53 chris http://www.korero.maori.nz/forlearners/basics/pronunciation.html 17:53 chris click on the vowels to hear how to pronounce them 17:56 jcamins Those transliterations are with an NZ accent, aren't they? Because when I pronounce "awful" or "pork," I get a sound completely different from their example. 17:56 sekjal thank you, chris. i've been reading that book you recommended, and would like to be able to actually speak about what I read. 17:57 sekjal my pronounciation is usually not so good, sadly 17:57 chris yeah, just click on the letters to hear them, its much easier than trying to write 17:57 chris if you can speak spanish, or japanese ... its the exact same vowel sounds 17:58 chris (same with hawaian, samoan, cook island, tongan etc) 17:58 chris and baring wh and ng 17:59 chris the rest of the letters are the same as english 17:59 chris_n chris: the audio pronunciations are of long vowels? 17:59 chris whare = house in maori, fale = house in samoan ... now with a rolled r, and wh =f ... thats pretty much the same sound 18:00 sekjal chris: i spoke Japanese. that'll help 18:00 chris they were both not written languages tho, so you can blame the fact one has an f one has a wh on the weirdos who wrote them down first 18:01 chris chris_n: yep, same sound but shorter 18:01 chris_n right 18:01 chris long vowel has a macron on it 18:01 chris_n and the 'o' in Koha is short? 18:01 chris both are 18:01 chris MÄori 18:01 chris long a 18:02 chris_n so the 'ao' there is not a diphthong? 18:02 chris core ha 18:02 chris ao = ow (ish) 18:03 chris so no, just the sounds run together 18:03 chris_n where's the accent in Koha? 18:03 collum chris_n beats me to the question 18:03 chris KoHa 18:04 * chris_n thinks some audio pronunciations of the koha-related Maori terms on the website would be very cool 18:04 * jcamins agrees 18:04 * collum agrees as well 18:05 chris http://www.nzhistory.net.nz/files/sound/tereo/koha.mp3 18:05 chris http://www.nzhistory.net.nz/files/sound/tereo/tiaki.mp3 18:06 chris http://www.nzhistory.net.nz/files/sound/tereo/kai.mp3 18:06 chris combine the last two for kaitiaki 18:08 chris http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=WOjp8M6XH4c 18:08 chris and because everyone should see this 18:08 chris :) 18:10 chris and then this 18:10 chris http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=8PcmHqwP7Ow <--- the nz maori rugby team 18:13 * chris stops forcing his culture on people now hehe 18:15 * chris_n loves linguistics 18:24 sekjal still another hour until i board the next flight... 18:24 jcamins chris: what on earth am I watching? 18:24 jcamins (I don't have speakers, maybe it would make sense if I did) 18:31 chris Yep you need speakers 18:32 chris_n heya wizzyrea_ 18:32 wizzyrea_ hey chris_n :) 18:32 chris_n how's nz? 18:33 wizzyrea_ beautiful, chilly, wonderfully aromatic :) 18:33 chris_n nice 18:33 chris Should be a nice day today 18:33 * wizzyrea_ is from kansas where it smells like dirt and cow poo and exhaust 18:33 chris @wunder wellington nz 18:33 munin chris: The current temperature in Wellington, New Zealand is 12.0�C (7:00 AM NZDT on October 21, 2010). Conditions: Partly Cloudy. Humidity: 67%. Dew Point: 6.0�C. Pressure: 29.53 in 1000 hPa (Steady). 18:34 wizzyrea_ oooh, yea, that's most of the way towards "warmish" 18:35 chris What's on the cards for today? 18:36 wizzyrea_ either some sort of wellington tour, or a boat ride 18:39 chris Cool 18:42 chris The wellington rover thing is supposed to be good 18:47 * jwagner is feeling overjoyed, qualmish, and frantically busy. 18:48 jwagner Guess who's coming to Kohacon??? 18:48 jcamins Not me. :( 18:49 jcamins But, hooray for jwagner! :) 18:49 jwagner Two days notice to pack & get everything ready.... 18:50 chris What day do you arrive? 18:50 jwagner Probably Sunday 18:51 wizzyrea_ jane! thats so cool! 18:52 sekjal jwagner: wow, that's last minute! but as my wife pointed out to me, you really only need a couple things to get there (passport, wallet, etc). the rest is just gravy 18:52 jwagner Clean clothes would be nice too. 18:53 jwagner Gotta run for a conference call -- back in a while. 18:53 wizzyrea_ the place I'm staying has a washer in our room 18:53 wizzyrea_ clothes washer 18:53 wizzyrea_ which is SUPER EPIC 18:53 * jwagner makes a note of that! 18:53 sekjal see you in a couple days, jwagner! 18:53 jwagner And where are you staying? 18:53 wizzyrea_ Quest Wellington 18:54 wizzyrea_ it's a short walk from the conference center, and there's probably a bus (I haven't mastered the fu of the bus yet, but getting better) 18:54 jwagner I've got to find a room, preferably as close as possible because I can't walk very much. chris suggested a couple of places -- will track them down after my call. Any other suggestions are welcome :-) 18:55 chris Nomad or west plaza are the closest 18:57 chris Yeah there is a bus from quest 18:57 chris Drops off right by conf centre 18:58 chris Just say 1 zone when you get on 18:58 chris Will be 2 dollars 18:59 sekjal ok, time to find my gate. cheers, all! 19:00 * chris_n waves to sekjal 19:00 * chris_n wanders off to swap a tape 19:01 chris Safe travels 19:03 chris wizzyrea_: any bus going past the stop near you 19:03 chris Will getcha there 19:12 chris Man this bus is slow as hell 19:35 chris right at my desk now 19:36 richard hiya chris 19:36 chris heya richard 19:37 owen did you always work from home before Catalyst chris? 19:37 chris before liblime 19:37 chris yes 19:37 chris from 1997 to 2007 at katipo 19:37 chris worked from home 19:40 chris why? 19:42 owen I wondered if working outside home is a big change 19:42 chris ahh it was, but not anymore :) 19:42 * owen sees lots of benefits to working around other people... bug IRC does a pretty good job of simulating that 19:42 owen s/bug/but 19:43 jcamins owen: thinking of starting to telecommute? 19:44 mib_o3g43 NCAR Library here...curious about batch item deletion. Found it in Tools...but I don't like the barcode approach. 19:44 owen I may work around other people now, but none of them are doing the same thing I do 19:44 mib_o3g43 Is there some other method? 19:44 owen mib_o3g43: What would you prefer? 19:45 jcamins owen: wait, you mean there are places where your coworkers do the same sorts of things you do? 19:45 mib_o3g43 Search the catalog and choose from results...then delete what I want. 19:46 mib_o3g43 perhaps it's a scripting chore 19:46 owen mib_o3g43: It would be nice to integrate the Cart into the bulk modify/delete operations 19:46 mib_o3g43 yes! the cart! 19:46 chris mib_o3g43: you could generate the barcode list from the reports module 19:46 mib_o3g43 good idea 19:46 owen ...except the Cart is biblio-level and those operations are item-level 19:47 chris with some sql 19:47 mib_o3g43 right, i see. 19:47 chris thats how some libraries are using it 19:47 mib_o3g43 so, which report would give me a list of barcodes 19:47 mib_o3g43 or call numbers 19:47 owen mib_o3g43: The better question is what report would give you just the items you wanted 19:48 owen What are your criteria? Are they something that could be returned via SQL? 19:48 mib_o3g43 actually, in this specific case, I'd like to delete entire bib records, not just items. 19:49 mib_o3g43 all of these (43) items have a title of "Required Field" 19:49 mib_o3g43 er, records, not items. 19:52 owen Part of the problem mib_o3g43 is that deleting the items will only get you part of the way there 19:52 owen There's no bulk delete biblio function at the moment 19:52 mib_o3g43 i see. ok 19:54 mib_o3g43 Can biblios be bulk deleted from the back end, with scripts? 19:54 owen At least by using the Cart you could consolidate your list to make manual deletion easier 19:54 mib_o3g43 right, yes 19:54 owen Hi jransom 19:54 jransom hiya all 19:55 chris mib_o3g43: there will be a bulk biblio delete early on in the dev cycle for 3.4 19:55 chris its been written, but didnt make the freeze for 3.2 19:55 chris hiya jransom 19:55 jcamins chris: awesome! I didn't know that. 19:55 jransom hiya 19:55 chris jcamins: bulk modify too 19:55 jcamins Hello, jransom. How go your conference preparations? 19:55 mib_o3g43 awesome. 19:55 chris jcamins: its in the pile of biblibre stuff 19:56 chris paul and hdl are staying on for some days after conference 19:56 mib_o3g43 signing off now...thanks for your help. 19:56 jransom on the edge of panic and despair :) 19:56 chris and we will work on creating branches are rebasing etc, getting it all ready 19:56 chris putting into practice what we learnt at the dev confernce 19:56 jcamins jransom: wonderful, that means the conference is going to be a brilliant success. :) 19:56 jransom lol 19:56 chris if people make it ! 19:56 jransom yes - yes indeed 19:57 jransom yeah - how is that going ? 19:57 chris jransom: have you heard anything from olugbenga? 19:57 jransom has Cait boarded yet? 19:57 jransom chris: nothing 19:57 chris 42 mins 19:57 chris nengard is in LA 19:57 jransom Lee has checked in 19:57 chris sekjal is on the way 19:57 chris yeah, ive been talking with lee 19:57 jransom and MJ and Sarah and Magnus can't be far away 19:57 jransom andother hour or so 19:57 chris shes done the art museum and auckland library 19:58 chris i think yeah 10ish for magnus 19:58 jransom oh cool :) 19:58 jransom yep 19:58 jransom we have 7 ariving tomorrow spread over 4 hours 19:58 chris heh 19:59 Sharon Glad Liz went early 19:59 jransom not sure how to manage that coz i'd like to meet everyone but in all conscience can't make the early ones wait around for 3 hours after such long trips 19:59 chris whos that? 19:59 jransom wizzyrea 19:59 chris no who are the 7 19:59 chris daniel, brooke, cait ... 19:59 jransom sharon: yep - especially given the drama some folk are dealing with 20:00 jransom paul henroi damien 20:00 Sharon she's an organized type person 20:00 chris jransom: theres a bar there :) 20:00 jransom rosa and me 20:00 Sharon with a 2 year old ;-) 20:00 jransom there is indeed 20:00 chris ahh right, i forgot rosa 20:00 jransom oh that 2 year old is the perfect child 20:00 chris yeah hes awesome 20:00 chris i now dont want to let them meet my two 20:01 jransom at tea the other tnight the waitress deleivered this massive chocolate icecream sundae to him by mistake and his eyes were like saucers - sheer delight on his face 20:01 chris punchy mc hitty, and spazzy mc spaz spaz 20:01 jransom and then she took it away!! 20:01 jransom he didn't say a word 20:01 chris kahu would have said "why dont you like me?" 20:01 jransom my kids are punchy mc hitty II and III and IV and V then 20:01 chris atarau would have cried 20:02 chris did i tell you he made a nurse cry? 20:02 jransom i gave him my lotto man keyring with the led light in his foot (you push his tummy) and he held up to his face beaming and said "I love it" 20:02 chris nurse: i have to take another blood test, it will only hurt a little 20:02 chris kahu: crying "why dont you like me?" 20:02 jransom no you didn't - poor nurse 20:03 chris jransom: yeah spud is cute as hell 20:03 chris darling, robin and I took them for ice cream after lunch on monday 20:04 jransom right. i need to stop avoiding all the stuff i'm moaning about and just do it 20:04 jransom cya Owen 20:04 chris yeah i should actually write my presentation at some point 20:04 jransom rosalie is freaking out about hers to 20:04 chris she'll be fine 20:04 chris shes always awesome 20:04 jransom agreeing to speak for 20 and then being given an hour was a bit a bit of shock 20:04 jransom she will be - I know 20:05 chris well, she only needs to use 40 of that 20:05 chris theres no points for finishing bang on time :) 20:05 jransom yep - i'll tell herthat today. 20:05 jransom hey she thinking of playing a short video clip 20:05 jransom will there be a sound system 20:05 chris yes 20:05 jransom great 20:05 chris we have a mixing desk 20:05 Sharon can never have too much networking time 20:05 chris and the audio from that goes direct into the camera 20:05 jransom yep - agreed 20:06 chris yeah 20:06 chris the talking/questions after is the best bit 20:06 jransom i havn't had an invoice yet for the projector screen 20:06 chris yay free! 20:06 chris :) 20:06 jransom but i'm guessing that will sort outon the day :) 20:06 chris yeah 20:06 chris we are packing in on sunday arvo 20:08 chris oh hey look at this 20:08 chris http://kohacon10.mykoha.co.nz/cgi-bin/koha/opac-MARCdetail.pl?biblionumber=76 20:08 chris you are a marc record now jo 20:09 chris thats how we are doing registration, issuing you guys out :-) 20:09 jransom i just snorted 20:10 jransom that is very silly and geeky and kinda fun 20:10 jransom but definitely great silliness 20:10 chris barcodes on your name tags 20:10 jransom would you like me to scan my face as a 'cover' 20:10 chris using an app darling wrote for android phones 20:10 chris plus koha circulation 20:10 jransom do a pgotocopier / scanner faceplant? 20:10 chris heh 20:10 jransom is he/she really called darling 20:11 jransom or are you taking the piss 20:12 jcamins Aww. 20:12 jcamins I was hoping to check Chris Cormack out. :( 20:12 jransom lol 20:12 jransom you can - defionitely can check chris out 20:13 jransom and people who arrive late on day 2 will be 'overdue' 20:13 jransom and have to pay a beer-fund fine :) 20:15 chris he is called reed 20:15 chris but darling on irc 20:15 chris jransom: oohhh what a good idea 20:16 jransom i may call him Reed darling then :) 20:17 jransom and 'check him out' 20:17 chris heh yeah he is in there 20:17 chris hmm lemme see if i can change that logo easy 20:17 jransom what about 'damaged on return' - for fter a big night 20:17 chris yeah can do that 20:17 chris lost too 20:17 chris for wizzyrea 20:17 jransom must stop playing 20:17 jransom lost 20:17 chris shes done that a couple of times 20:18 jransom 'did not arrive' for cait 20:18 chris in transit 20:18 chris start a transfer :) 20:19 jransom i like the tranfer! 20:20 darling helo 20:21 Sharon that's funny 20:22 chris right meeting 20:22 chris http://kohacon10.mykoha.co.nz/cgi-bin/koha/opac-main.pl 20:22 chris sorta 20:22 chris bbiab 20:33 jcamins Time to close up for today. 20:33 jcamins Good night, #koha 20:40 Brendan-O @wunder 93117 20:40 munin Brendan-O: The current temperature in Northwest Goleta, Goleta, California is 20.2�C (1:51 PM PDT on October 20, 2010). Conditions: Mostly Cloudy. Humidity: 77%. Dew Point: 16.0�C. Pressure: 29.97 in 1014.8 hPa (Rising). 21:49 jransom learnt something new today: "Koha is one of the largest open-source teams in the world, and is in the top 2% of all project teams on Ohloh. " 21:51 chris pretty cool eh 21:51 chris if we get some new committers at kohacon it will go up even more :) 21:59 jransom Daniel is alive and well - in NZ 21:59 jransom just spoke to him: I feel like a mother hen worrying about her chicks until they are safely arrived 21:59 chris excellent, did you get a txt? 21:59 chris cool 21:59 jransom a phone call 21:59 jransom he is slumming it on waiheke 21:59 chris awesome 21:59 chris oh 21:59 jransom :) 22:00 chris lee is there 22:00 chris somewhere 22:00 jransom she in aauckland isn't she? 22:00 chris doing a tour of waiheke today 22:00 jransom arranging to meet at the president Hotel bar at 5pm tomorrow night 22:00 chris sweet 22:00 jransom he has a friend who lives there - so staying there 22:01 chris handy 22:01 rhcl did the guy from Africa get through? (can't find his name now) 22:01 chris havent heard from him today 22:01 jransom olugbenga - i havnt heard 22:01 chris im hoping so 22:01 jransom if he gets he he will knackered and bankrupt :( 22:01 jransom knackered = exhausted (for non-kiwi speakers :) 22:02 rhcl ah, I was just heading for my maori translator 22:02 chris si my man 22:03 jransom hello Si 22:03 chris rhcl: comes from horse racing 22:03 rhcl ah, wasn't aware the maori were big into horse racing 22:03 chris its an english word :) 22:03 rhcl ah ah 22:03 rhcl icic 22:04 chris no c in maori :) 22:04 chris or d 22:04 si hey 22:04 jransom they were huge into horse racing 22:04 chris http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Knacker 22:04 chris si: i was gonna pester you about cafenet tokens again ;) 22:05 si I had that waking up with a start at 2am thing this morning 22:05 masonj morning, sorry about the #kcon twitter spamming last nite 22:05 si "faaark, I havne't got tokens for Chris" 22:05 chris heh 22:05 masonj heya si 22:05 chris masonj: cleared it out 22:05 masonj ta, saw that.. 22:06 masonj forgot to change the #hashtag... 22:06 chris well it was the username again :) 22:06 masonj aaah, username.* ? ;) 22:07 masonj i was 'kohacon10-irc' user 22:07 chris yep 22:07 chris kohacon10 matched 22:07 masonj me learns... 22:07 masonj gotcha 22:08 si hey mason 22:12 jransom Chris: Rosalie cannot get her powerpoint slideshow with soundtrack to play the sound in open office 22:12 jransom does this sound odd to you? 22:12 chris nothing that powerpoint does sounds odd to me 22:12 chris what is the format of the audio? 22:13 jransom will find out. 22:13 jransom i haver told them that we will not have powepoint available 22:13 si chris was it 100 or 150 tokens? 22:14 jransom they can save it presumably as a stand alone play CD (requiring no software) 22:15 chris there are 107 attendees at this point, 100 would do i reckon, its unlikely all of them will have wifi devices 22:16 chris orly, i bet it still needs windows 22:16 jransom yep - bet you are right. i will go and help 22:16 jransom if push came to shove could i plaug my windows lappy into the system? 22:16 chris if push comes to shove and cant get it to work 22:16 chris yeah 22:17 chris it works with your project eh? 22:17 chris projector even 22:18 jransom yep 22:19 chris yeah, then dont spend too much time, if its not a simple fix we'll just do that 22:40 bankhead quit 22:40 chris no 22:40 chris :-) 23:41 chris si: got the email, but without an attachment :)