Time  Nick       Message
23:54 paul       we'll get there, just need some time to get how it all works straight in our heads
23:54 paul       so chris keeps reminding me
23:52 slef       learn how to find stuff our yourself if you can... it's the best investment
23:51 paul       thanks - trying to adjust to life without chris holding our hand
23:50 slef       cool, congratulations
23:50 chris      http://library.hauraki-dc.govt.nz/
23:50 paul       that's me, we been live 2 weeks now
23:49 chris      the newest group of public libraries running koha in nz
23:49 chris      thats paul from hauraki district libraries
23:49 slef       I think I will have to bg and disown it.
23:48 slef       chris: I'm still waiting for an export to complete, would you believe.
23:48 slef       erm, which paul is that?
23:45 paul       figured it was time to try this out again, had kinda forgotten
23:45 paul       for sure, very late
23:44 chris      was just chatting with mj in the UK .. who is still awake at this crazy hour
23:44 paul       hey, that was fast
23:44 chris      hi paul
23:42 chris      hehe
23:41 slef       chris: maybe me+you+paul_p+??? should get badges saying "I was Koha Release Manager before LibLime even existed"
22:58 munin      slef: The operation succeeded.
22:58 slef       @later tell SJeffery http://lwn.net/Articles/386284/ might include a worthwhile independent summary of the history
22:58 slef       damn! Just as I find http://lwn.net/Articles/386284/ SJeffery leaves
22:52 wasabi     ok, back to work....
22:50 chris      their trademark attempt in NZ was for KOHA too
22:48 wasabi     ... related to a trademark they 'acquired' in the USA, i think?
22:47 wasabi     yeah, its ptfs/liblimes new dis-information attempt on the project
22:45 slef       hehe
22:45 munin      slef: Quote #96: "< owen> If your vendor calls it KOHA you know it's not really Koha." (added by wasabi at 01:56 AM, October 08, 2010)
22:45 slef       @quote get 96
22:45 munin      wasabi: Error: The "Quote" plugin is loaded, but there is no command named "show" in it.  Try "list Quote" to see the commands in the "Quote" plugin.
22:45 wasabi     @quote show 96
22:45 chris      on the new liblime site
22:44 chris      yeah they have
22:44 munin      slef: Error: The "Quote" plugin is loaded, but there is no command named "95" in it.  Try "list Quote" to see the commands in the "Quote" plugin.
22:44 slef       @quote 95
22:44 munin      chris: Quote #95: "< robin> to be honest, I think if you mention Koha and Perl, your CV could say your hobbies include puppy-kitten cage-fights, and you'd be snapped up :)" (added by chris at 05:36 PM, October 06, 2010)
22:44 chris      @quote get 95
22:44 munin      chris: Error: The "Quote" plugin is loaded, but there is no command named "show" in it.  Try "list Quote" to see the commands in the "Quote" plugin.
22:44 chris      @quote show 95
22:44 slef       (have PTFS upcased Koha in their new logo?)
22:44 slef       oh but was wasabi going for a range of sly digs?
22:43 chris      that one is a good one :)
22:43 munin      slef: Quote #15: "<|Lupin|>ricardo: you are like the Portuguese Hitchcock!!" (added by wizzyrea at 10:58 AM, July 10, 2009)
22:43 slef       @quote random
22:43 munin      slef: Quote #2: "<jwagner> Hope springs eternal in little kitty hearts. Better watch the doors :-)" (added by gmcharlt at 12:04 PM, June 03, 2009)
22:43 slef       @quote random
22:41 wasabi     'its Koha, not KOHA, ok?'
22:41 wasabi     hmmm, a bunch of different badges would be sweet, with a selection of sassy phrases
22:38 wasabi     w0w, thats impressive!!!
22:37 chris      http://www.craft2.org/blog/
22:37 chris      well, the person who started craft2.0 is coming to the conference
22:36 wasabi     oooh, the nerds are getting crafty, oooooh so scared!!!
22:36 * brendan  is waiting for the "social network" like movie - here
22:35 chris      from the badge shop
22:35 chris      ohhhh good idea
22:35 wasabi     i'll make some sweet badges!
22:34 wasabi     http://www.resurrectionsong.com/images/uploads/pedro.jpg
22:32 chris      maybe the kohacon10 logo?
22:32 slef       chris: if you do, please put the egg logo on them, else it'll be very abstract.
22:31 wasabi     thats my current fav.
22:30 wasabi     'all ur KOHA belong teh us'
22:30 brendan    slef - I like the "support Nicole" motto - interesting
22:30 LBA        Free Nicole!
22:29 chris      can we make i support nicole tshirts?
22:29 chris      wasabi++
22:29 chris      slef++
22:25 chris      back
22:20 wasabi     slef: I couldn't resist either. Just commented on chris.c's email to the list re: nicole
22:10 slef       I couldn't resist it. Just commented on nengard's blog again.
21:50 slef       gmcharlt: I expect if someone bought a UK server and enough bandwidth, they could fool the BBC.
21:49 slef       gmcharlt: I wish this Englishman could get access to all of it :-/ Rubbishy Flash apps.
21:48 SJeffery   Very small :)
21:48 gmcharlt   there's a (admittedly) small subset of USians who would happily pay the UK TV tax to get access
21:46 gmcharlt   slef: BBC online video?  I only wish this benighted colonial could get access to it
21:34 slef       others might like this cartoon posted during a discussion of the rubbish online video services of BBC and other UK Public Service Broadcasters http://xkcd.com/676/
21:20 russ       cool
21:20 chris      cya in a sec russ
21:20 chris      ok meeting time
21:16 russ       s/use/us
21:16 wizzyrea   only had 5 entries, and they were all guys.
21:15 wizzyrea   is that like the madame curie lookalike contest?
21:15 russ       gmcharlt: most of use will need stilts then
21:14 * gmcharlt thinks of a new activity for KohaCon - the Chris Cormack look-alike contest ;)
21:13 chris      russ will be around too
21:13 chris      as long as i look the same :)
21:13 slef       Yeah, this'll be the second time I'll've seen you...
21:12 slef       I've checked and it was right on pgp.net... it just didn't reach debian.org somehow.
21:12 chris      stink
21:12 slef       apparently - it seems I can't vote because the key loaded into the vote has an old expiry time :-/
21:11 chris      at least i should get you to sign mine
21:11 chris      oh yeah, we should do keysigning at kohacon
21:11 chris      it did?
21:10 slef       of all the AAF moves... when did keyring.debian.org stop sync'ing with pgp.net?
21:06 chris      in my whole life
21:06 chris      ive only had one winter xmas
21:06 * wizzyrea has 1st hand experience of being snowed in on xmas day... in a house not her own
21:05 chris      :)
21:04 wizzyrea   better than being snowed in though
21:03 wizzyrea   it would definitely be a trip to spend xmas on the beach
21:02 chris      january/feb are the hot months
21:02 chris      for kohacon
21:02 chris      somewhere round that
21:02 chris      we will most likely have 13-18
21:02 wizzyrea   that's like the most perfectly perfect day you'll ever have in kansas
21:01 * wizzyrea squees
21:01 chris      yeah
21:01 wizzyrea   75? really?
21:01 chris      20-24 is nice
21:01 wizzyrea   oooo
21:01 chris      40 is wtf
21:01 chris      30 is retarded
21:01 chris      above 24
21:01 wizzyrea   in wellington?
21:01 wizzyrea   what do you classify as hot?
21:00 chris      its clear, and not too hot, so you can walk lots
21:00 chris      actually today is great sightseeing weather
21:00 chris      heres hoping
21:00 wizzyrea   you are saving the perfect weather for when we get there, right? ;)
21:00 chris      but not bad at all today
21:00 chris      it was really cold yesterday
20:59 wizzyrea   rainy, not chilly tho
20:59 munin      wizzyrea: The current temperature in Channel 6 Downtown, Lawrence, Kansas is 17.4�C (4:08 PM CDT on October 11, 2010). Conditions: Overcast. Humidity: 89%. Dew Point: 16.0�C. Pressure: 29.79 in 1008.7 hPa (Rising).
20:59 wizzyrea   @wunder lawrence ks
20:40 munin      chris: The current temperature in Wellington, New Zealand is 11.0�C (9:00 AM NZDT on October 12, 2010). Conditions: Mostly Cloudy. Humidity: 71%. Dew Point: 6.0�C. Pressure: 30.54 in 1034 hPa (Steady).
20:40 chris      @wunder wellington nz
20:40 chris      much nicer day here today than yesterday too
20:23 slef       back
20:15 brendan    wow hot day again
20:15 munin      brendan: The current temperature in Northwest Goleta, Goleta, California is 24.7�C (1:24 PM PDT on October 11, 2010). Conditions: Partly Cloudy. Humidity: 60%. Dew Point: 16.0�C. Pressure: 29.88 in 1011.7 hPa (Falling).
20:15 brendan    @wunder 93117
20:07 wizzyrea   thks munin.
20:07 munin      wizzyrea: The operation succeeded.
20:07 wizzyrea   @later tell nengard I sent you that doc patch to look over (INSTALL.debian) plz let me know if it applies ok for you.
19:50 ebegin     thanks chris!
19:47 ebegin     ok, that what I thought.
19:47 chris      its more informational
19:47 chris      not really no
19:46 ebegin     Does koha enforces the upper and lower age limit based on the date of a user date of birth?
19:34 chris      http://planet.debian.net/
19:33 munin      wizzyrea: Quote #80: "<robin> heh thanks, that makes me seem a lot more edumacated :)" (added by gmcharlt at 09:54 PM, June 23, 2010)
19:33 wizzyrea   @quote random
19:33 wizzyrea   facepalm.
19:33 munin      wizzyrea: Quote #70: "<wizzyrea> owen: I have a jquery... um... query for you" (added by jdavidb at 10:30 AM, April 01, 2010)
19:33 wizzyrea   @quote random
19:33 munin      wizzyrea: Quote #69: "<schuster> Now if I could only figure out how to control those daemons... or at least the ones in my head..." (added by jwagner at 10:02 AM, March 17, 2010)
19:33 wizzyrea   @quote random
19:32 munin      wizzyrea: Quote #37: "< nelsonf> I'm pretty sure I deleted this one in the name of being thorough..." (added by chris at 07:27 PM, October 04, 2009)
19:32 wizzyrea   @quote random
19:32 wizzyrea   woot I got quote 100!
19:32 munin      wizzyrea: The operation succeeded.  Quote #100 added.
19:32 wizzyrea   @quote add chris: well, one of them is overhauling the whole templating system jcamins: Koha's other swiss army chainsaw
19:31 chris      back
19:21 chris      Ok my stop bbiab
19:20 chris      Cya
19:19 jcamins    Good night, #koha
19:19 jcamins    Time to close up.
19:12 jcamins    (I really like that phrase)
19:12 chris      :)
19:12 jcamins    Koha's other swiss army chainsaw.
19:11 chris      Oh well one of them is overhauling the whole templating system
19:08 nengard    k - time to head out - be back later
19:07 chris      I'm sure they will be fine, nice ppl and smart
19:07 jcamins    ;)
19:07 jcamins    Of course, I have the good sense not to ask them to overhaul any swiss army chainsaws.
19:07 SJeffery   Oh god that reminds me I have a long-term temp starting next month *shudder*
19:06 jcamins    Our interns are fantastic.
19:06 * chris    doesn't want flinging
19:06 chris      I hope I have more success with the 2 working on koha at catalyst
19:05 SJeffery   Same problem with using interns.
19:04 SJeffery   Sure! I will just have my small army of trained gorillas work on it (I tried monkeys, but there was far too much flinging going on that was starting to impact productivity).
19:03 jcamins    SJeffery: that's a good idea. Think it'll be done by October 15? ;)
19:03 slef       SJeffery: how do you document a swiss army chainsaw?
19:03 SJeffery   Solution: Make the reports function a lot easier to use so less has to be documented?
19:03 slef       gtg, bbl
19:02 chris      Yeah that's a tricky problem
19:02 jcamins    I mean, I don't understand *everything*, but I understand the basics.
19:02 chris      gmcharlt knows at least as much as me too
19:02 jcamins    chris: the problem is that I understand it, and I'm trying to document how to deal with reports for people who don't understand it.
19:01 chris      So I don't have to remember it :)
19:01 chris      Then write it down
19:01 chris      Ask away jcamins
19:00 munin      wizzyrea: The operation succeeded.  Quote #99 added.
19:00 wizzyrea   @quote add slef: #kohaaaaargh for PTFS blog posts?
19:00 jcamins    The problem with schema diagrams is that they only help if you know a fair amount about RDBMSes.
19:00 slef       gmcharlt: #kohaaaaaargh for PTFS blog posts?
19:00 wizzyrea   oh that made me laugh a lot
18:59 gmcharlt   SJeffery: #koha-linky-recs ?
18:59 trea       koha.am.not.a.lawyer
18:59 SJeffery   Slef: I think that name would be entirely appropriate.
18:59 slef       SJeffery: let's start using the hashtag #kohaAnal
18:59 nengard    so what i meant to paste was the url to the db documentation spec: http://wiki.koha-community.org/wiki/DB_Documentation_for_3.4_Proposal
18:59 SJeffery   Nah, e-mail is so not web 2.0-ish. We need to create some sort of Twitter-mashup-wiki-Friendster kind of thing.
18:59 slef       8 letters I mean
18:59 wizzyrea   ROFL
18:59 slef       SJeffery: koha-anal@lists.koha-community... anyone?
18:58 slef       SJeffery: I think we should abbreviate it to 8 characters to reduce typing.
18:58 slef       SJeffery: no, let's make an email list.
18:58 chris      Hehe
18:58 SJeffery   I think we need to open #kohanalytics or something:D
18:58 slef       ah right, PEBCAK
18:58 magnus     wizzyrea: we all do! ;-)
18:58 nengard    hehe
18:58 wizzyrea   I was trying to stop the paste speeeeew.
18:58 nengard    i was moving to fast for myself
18:58 nengard    slef - i did hit enter
18:58 wizzyrea   but I still love you
18:58 nengard    nengard is making a confused face
18:57 slef       nengard: you need a better client that doesn't send lines until you *press* enter.
18:57 trea       ?!?!?!
18:57 magnus     heh, would love to see te expression on nengards face now... ;-)
18:57 wizzyrea   I banned you!
18:57 nengard    what happened?
18:57 chris      Hehe remove the ban now :)
18:57 nengard    i thought i copied th URL and didn't
18:57 nengard    http://wiki.koha-community.org/wiki/DB_Documentation_for_3.4_Proposal
18:56 nengard    so sorry!!!
18:56 nengard    oops
18:56 slef       auto-rejoin fail
18:56 nengard    Linda
18:56 chris      Gah
18:56 nengard    Thanks for asking, Nicole!
18:56 nengard    use Koha for archival collections.
18:56 nengard    other archives or libraries with archival materials about how to best
18:56 nengard    On a personal note, I  would be very interested in sharing ideas with
18:56 nengard    a problem and somebody can tell me how to do this?
18:56 nengard    Summer issue of 1995 of a serial.  Hopefully, I'm wrong about this being
18:56 SJeffery   Oh god, not the analytic discussion again.
18:56 nengard    person may really want to see the Spring and Fall issues of 1994 and the
18:56 nengard    collections with linked item level analytical records)  - because a
18:56 nengard    make only one hold request per title - a real problem with serials (and
18:56 nengard    Another problem is that Koha seems to only allow for the borrower to
18:56 nengard    serial's record.
18:56 chris      Paste fail
18:56 slef       where's an op when we need one?
18:56 nengard    be able to tie the analytic record to the particular issue of the
18:56 nengard    analytic records for specific articles in certain issues and we need to
18:56 nengard    handled as analytics.  We also have a number of journals which have
18:56 jcamins    Oh, wait, never mind.
18:56 nengard    because many of our collections have item-level descriptions which are
18:56 slef       nengard: ???
18:56 nengard    support  ( http://wiki.koha-community.org/wiki/Analytic_Record_support )
18:56 nengard    The real problem we have with Koha is the lack of analytic record
18:56 nengard    originals where they exist.   So, I like Koha.
18:56 chris      Eek
18:56 nengard    track in-house use of our materials and link to digitized copies of the
18:56 nengard    Description (EAD). Koha can handle 2 out of three, plus allow us to
18:56 nengard    (Describing Archives: A Content Standard), MARC, and Encoded Archival
18:56 nengard    There are three standards central to archival description: DACS
18:56 nengard    Cc: koha <koha@lists.katipo.co.nz>
18:55 nengard    To:
18:55 nengard    Subject: Re: [Koha] Koha Cataloging Archives
18:55 nengard    Date: Mon, Oct 11, 2010 at 2:20 PM
18:55 nengard    From: Linda Culberson <lculber@mdah.state.ms.us>
18:55 nengard    ---------- Forwarded message ----------
18:55 jcamins    It says it's for 3.0.3.
18:55 nengard    slef i can find it
18:55 slef       chris: and with regeneration instructions?
18:55 slef       chris: current?
18:55 chris      There is a schema on thw wiki
18:55 slef       nengard: can you find it or shall I?
18:54 slef       ?
18:54 slef       Was tajoli going to do that
18:54 nengard    wasn't someone going to add notes to those tables so that we knew what each one was for?
18:54 wizzyrea   even worse since he's always around buses!
18:54 * jcamins  adds writing "Koha database structures for report writers" to his to-do list.
18:54 slef       and can figure things out from the source
18:54 wizzyrea   yikes, we have a serious bus problem.
18:54 slef       and the rest of us know bits
18:53 slef       jcamins: we have chris
18:53 jcamins    That's what I thought.
18:52 wizzyrea   only the schema from git really
18:52 jcamins    Do we have any "Koha database structure for dummies" page?
18:47 slef       Quebec wins with 70%. For countries, Finland with 62%.
18:46 jcamins    Yeah, cait was installing Koha on Ubuntu over the weekend, and we got stuck because the wrong version of yaz was in the IndexData repository.
18:45 jcamins    I guess looking ahead to 3.4, Makefile.PL should generate a default crontab which can be installed with crontab $FILE
18:45 gmcharlt   jcamins: you're correct about Ubuntu: http://packages.ubuntu.com/search?keywords=idzebra-2.0
18:45 slef       fun facts: 20% of Brits are members of co-ops. In the USA, it's 25%. NZ 40%
18:44 wizzyrea   fair enough.
18:44 wizzyrea   lol
18:44 jcamins    ;)
18:44 jcamins    My preferred solution is banging my head against the desk until I forget about the problem, but if everyone here did that, there wouldn't be any Koha anymore.
18:44 wizzyrea   (and I won't be insulted, I promise)
18:43 wizzyrea   (I like commentary)
18:43 wizzyrea   true, how best to address that though?
18:43 jcamins    (I think the updated instructions are great)
18:43 jcamins    (not that I'm proposing an alternative, just commenting)
18:43 wizzyrea   well, that's not really up to me, actually, that's why I asked for a double check
18:43 jcamins    Although the instructions still make the assumption that the person following the instructions will be able to deal with the text editor with crontab -e.
18:42 wizzyrea   and the ones that are, won't have any more trouble with these than they did with the old ones.
18:42 wizzyrea   They weren't cryptic to sysadmins, but most librarians aren't sysadmins.
18:41 jcamins    slef: sure.
18:41 slef       jcamins: I'm not sure about "very". Can we agree on "too"?
18:41 slef       wizzyrea: ok, I'm a bad person to look as I didn't think they were too cryptic before.  Buggy other ways.
18:40 wizzyrea   the reason is that my goal wasn't to change *how* it works, just to make sure that they are at least a little less cryptic. :)
18:40 slef       lovely? fall? day??
18:39 sekjal     alright, lunch is done. time to enjoy some of this lovely fall day. take care, all!
18:39 slef       those install docs - is there a reason why we use cpan instead of deb-make-perl in 1.5?  That's another thing in my todo...
18:38 jcamins    wizzyrea: much improved!
18:38 slef       SJeffery: please don't curse.  SharePoint indeed.
18:38 wizzyrea   cool.
18:37 slef       no, we'll nuke apt-get-debian-*sh from orbit when the time comes :)
18:37 sekjal     oh dear.
18:37 wizzyrea   >.<
18:37 SJeffery   sekjal: Nah, worst case scenerio is they force us to use SharePoint for our library catalog as "it can do everything we need." *facepalm*
18:36 wizzyrea   i'd imagine we'd have a different install_misc/apt-get-debian-squeeze.sh when the time comes
18:36 jcamins    gmcharlt: oh, then maybe it was just for the latest version of Ubuntu.
18:36 wizzyrea   right, these are for lenny (since it's stable)
18:36 slef       they control the horizontal
18:36 slef       all hail the release managers
18:35 slef       or it should be in squeeze
18:35 slef       http://packages.debian.org/idzebra - it's in squeeze but not lenny
18:35 slef       wizzyrea: without installing lenny from a businesscard CD, I don't know what it should say, sorry :-/
18:35 gmcharlt   jcamins: chris: not sure about that - I don't see idzebra in the regular Debian package search
18:33 wizzyrea   what do you want it to say?
18:33 wizzyrea   sorry, I just mean I didn't change that part from the original
18:33 jcamins    Yesterday chris said something about it not being necessary on the latest versions.
18:33 slef       wizzyrea: which bit should I be looking at then?
18:33 sekjal     SJeffery: we'll do what we can to help, but if they wind up putting you in something not-Koha, there'll only be so much we can do
18:33 slef       wizzyrea: 1.2 should use wget -O- http://ftp.indexdata.dk/debian/indexdata.asc | sudo apt-key add - (avoids leaving indexdata.asc junk lying around)
18:33 wizzyrea   (slef)
18:33 wizzyrea   didn't touch any of that stuff, what specifically would you like to address?
18:32 jcamins    wizzyrea: wait, check with chris about the IndexData repos.
18:32 slef       wizzyrea: "1.1 Install Debian Lenny via Businesscard CD" needs some hint on what installation options/tasks to choose.
18:32 jcamins    If that was in response to "not really up to me," yes, I think the adverb you want is "very" common.
18:31 slef       wizzyrea: looking.
18:31 slef       jcamins: very common?
18:31 jcamins    slef: I think you mean "very."
18:31 slef       such a shame, but fairly common
18:31 wizzyrea   updated install docs, please look them over? http://pastebin.com/m8mZ5SPt
18:28 SJeffery   *shrug* Not really up to me.
18:27 slef       SJeffery: future customer?  If you've not signed, there's time to shop around, surely?
18:27 slef       I'm still mopping up after falling out with kados, like 2 or 3 years ago.
18:27 SJeffery   We are a future customer of said company, so I guess I have to prevent myself from reading it then!
18:26 slef       Awkward position.
18:26 slef       ah! I see!
18:26 nengard    wizzyrea does work for a library group - a library group who get support (in theory) from said company
18:26 slef       I'll write a "here's what we've seen" if it's useful to the community, but I can only handle so much crap being flung in my direction at once.
18:25 * jcamins  must also recuse himself
18:25 * slef     looks up wizzyrea
18:25 slef       I thought you worked for a library group?
18:24 wizzyrea   < can't really say much either.
18:23 slef       SJeffery: I'll help answer, but even through I work for the co-op, we're open to the "you would say that because you're competing" accusation so I won't post it myself.
18:23 nengard    meaning I chat with them while i'm eating alone
18:23 nengard    sekjal when i travel i'm usually eating dinner with wizzyrea and chris on IM :)
18:22 SJeffery   I keep hearing bits and pieces, but have not run across anything comprehensive that can be used to show someone what is going on.
18:22 slef       I'm not sure anyone reported the last evil action http://stats.workbuffer.org/irclog/koha/2010-08-28#i_492736
18:22 wizzyrea   starting with the open letter, or even before
18:22 wizzyrea   imo it probably needs to go back to what happened even before kohacon last year
18:22 slef       ah no, the one I was reading was from Harley's release
18:20 slef       SJeffery: I was reading one earlier, not sure how recent, but from my point of view little has changed recently.
18:19 SJeffery   Has anyone (relatively recently) written an overview of all the goings-ons with PTFS vs all?
18:19 wizzyrea   lol
18:19 wizzyrea   read : GTFO
18:19 slef       jcamins: mold, the permanent battle of wet climates.
18:19 sekjal     I'm on my own. my wife has to work at home today, and wanted me to get some air
18:19 wizzyrea   no way I could do that whilst out to dinner with my family
18:19 jcamins    slef: Not having a smartphone, I'm safe from that particular sin. ;)
18:19 wizzyrea   fortunately I was with coworkers that time, and they didn't require my attention
18:18 jcamins    Although actually, I shouldn't be so pessimistic... my wife hasn't gotten sick again yet, so it looks like this week our apartment is mostly mold-less.
18:18 wizzyrea   *giggle*
18:18 slef       won't do it again
18:18 slef       annoyed the hell out of my wife
18:18 slef       ooooh I've done that
18:18 wizzyrea   hehe one time I attended an IRC meeting from a restaurant
18:18 jcamins    SJeffery: I'm going to go with "yes."
18:17 slef       sekjal: we miss you too!
18:17 sekjal     out at lunch, actually. but was missing #koha
18:17 slef       SJeffery: it's 1930 here. :)
18:17 wizzyrea   mua hahahahaha
18:17 slef       SJeffery: speak for yourself.
18:17 slef       so if we successfully exploit his host now, we get to make phone calls?
18:17 SJeffery   11:30am on a Monday and the day is already a cluster...a sign of the week ahead perhaps?
18:16 slef       oic
18:16 jcamins    Or the train.
18:16 jcamins    I figure that one wouldn't sign in while driving, walking, or biking, and there's generally no phone reception on subways, which leaves the bus.
18:16 jcamins    ;)
18:15 jcamins    sekjal is signed in from his Android phone.
18:15 slef       jcamins: ??
18:15 slef       ptfs--
18:15 slef       I haven't.
18:12 jcamins    Looks like chris will now have company from other bus-riding #koha-ers.
18:06 * chris_n  suddenly realizes he already said that last line once in this discussion
18:06 chris_n    ptfs--
18:05 chris_n    chris++
18:05 chris_n    larsw++
17:57 slef       http://mjr.towers.org.uk/blog/2005-1.html#codes0326 for a much shorter version.
17:56 slef       If you'd like more anti-corporate rhetoric, http://mjr.towers.org.uk/blog/2008/index
17:56 nengard    commentor on my post
17:56 nengard    one commentor felt that Jo's post caused all this
17:56 nengard    hehe
17:54 chris      bbiab
17:52 chris      i must ask jo the lotto numbers
17:52 chris      its like a premonition
17:51 slef       mmm, was http://library-matters.blogspot.com/2010/10/school-yard-bullying-is-alive-and-well.html really only a week ago?
17:51 slef       chris++
17:51 slef       larsw++
17:50 slef       chris: ta.
17:50 chris      slef: thats about it, if its never used ... if it has been used delete rows in statistics too
17:49 slef       "Tags for this page: koha  rant"
17:49 jcamins    larsw++
17:48 slef       heh, I could have written lars's post from what I've read so far
17:47 slef       I could drop the db and reload, but I'm being lazy :)
17:47 slef       ok, what's the current quick way to delete someone's whole never-used catalogue? delete all rows in biblio, biblioitems, items, issues... what else?
17:47 nengard    larsw wrote a lovely post : http://blog.liw.fi/posts/in-defense-of-nicole/
17:46 nengard    hehe
17:45 slef       nengard: you are channelling me. Be afraid.
17:45 nengard    wish I hadn't logged in this weekend...
17:45 slef       I was at a conference on Saturday. Might as well login in the dull talk. (Shush, don't tell anyone their talk was dull.)
17:45 nengard    yikes- can't type
17:45 nengard    wish i hadn'ed logged in this weekend....
17:45 jcamins    But then you are catching up until mid-afternoon.
17:43 SJeffery   This is why I don't log in over the weekend, I get it all on monday:D
17:43 slef       Lots of facepalming about that over the weekend.
17:43 slef       ah. Yes.
17:42 SJeffery   The PTFS/Liblime one
17:41 slef       SJeffery: which?
17:41 SJeffery   *facepalms at the most recent blog post*
17:34 jcamins    Heh. I kind of figured that xslt would have negative karma.
17:34 munin      jcamins: Karma for "xslt" has been increased 3 times and decreased 4 times for a total karma of -1.
17:34 jcamins    @karma xslt
17:30 jcamins    Hm. I'm not an expert, but I can't see why that would be slow.
17:30 slef       hrm, do I need a match on the last xsl:template?
17:29 slef       I've a xsl:template match='node()[@tag="nnn"]' and a match='@*|node()' and that's all.
17:29 jcamins    preceding-sibling:: is the really inefficient one, but t I'm pretty sure following-sibling:: and ancestor:: are also slow.
17:28 slef       jcamins: as in? (save me looking up)
17:24 jcamins    slef: are you using axes?
17:24 slef       my XSLT's performance must suck. It's much slower than the much longer one I downloaded
17:21 nengard    hi chris
17:21 nengard    slef that's funny
17:18 chris      heh
17:18 larsw      er, chris
17:18 slef       hi chris
17:18 larsw      hi, chirs
17:18 slef       Oh well. Let's use silly posters then. http://www.facebook.com/photo.php?pid=4811663&o=all&op=1&view=all&subj=249360150703&aid=-1&id=598219281&oid=249360150703
17:18 chris      morning
17:16 owen       Unfortunately rationality doesn't have much part in the politics of it
17:15 slef       I remember being told that US spends 16% on health. I wonder how much higher it would be if costs of such discussions were included?
17:15 * owen     can only hope... some day...
17:14 slef       #weLoveTheNHS
17:13 owen       I get to sit out the discussion of health insurance because I'm covered by my wife's
17:11 nengard    how's it going?
17:11 nengard    hi owen!!
17:09 nengard    wizzyrea what happened to the patch i was proofing?
17:08 jcamins    Okay, well, yay! owen's not dead yet!
17:08 owen       Just coming up for air
17:07 jcamins    Yay! owen survived!
16:58 jcamins    wizzyrea: sure.
16:57 wizzyrea   with my recent patch formatting stupidity I don't want to send it to the list :/
16:57 slef       Talking of forums, does someone here have a Nabble2 login?
16:56 wizzyrea   jcamins, can I send you a patch to see if you can apply it?
16:49 SJeffery   On the downside, there is still quite a bit of software out there that doesn't support an Arizona time zone (including one of the major forum packages).
16:48 jcamins    SJeffery: and very sensible of you, too.
16:47 SJeffery   Don't forget that some of us don't follow that crazy DST thing.
16:46 jcamins    Now, of course, DST in the States is even weirder.
16:45 slef       as in synchronisation of DST dates
16:43 slef       jcamins: UK is with EU, has been for a few years but I think I remember when it wasn't.
16:43 nengard    if we're talking about days until we leave :)
16:42 jcamins    Right.
16:42 slef       jcamins: as in switchover date?
16:42 nengard    D-9
16:41 jcamins    That was very stressful.
16:40 jcamins    We didn't know that DST is different in the UK than in the US.
16:40 jcamins    I missed a flight from London to Salzburg when I was Eurail-ing around Europe.
16:39 wizzyrea   more like buzzing hornets
16:39 * wizzyrea gets little butterflies everytime she thinks about the possibility of missing the plane
16:39 wizzyrea   bye paul_p
16:38 slef       ciao
16:38 paul_p     this time, bye !
16:38 slef       paul_p: I have help.
16:38 paul_p     slef you'd better... missing your plane would be ... quite annoying :D
16:38 slef       I really should check my details :)
16:38 slef       D-8 here too. I think.
16:38 paul_p     19oct => to Kuala Lumpur, 1 day in KL, then to Auck
16:37 wizzyrea   I have D-4 :D:D:D
16:37 slef       wizzyrea: I have no memory capacity spare :)
16:37 wizzyrea   OH derrr
16:37 paul_p     wizzyrea, no, in 8 days ;-)
16:37 wizzyrea   paul_p: you leave tomorrow?
16:36 paul_p     s/#biblibre/#koha/ sorry ;-)
16:36 paul_p     bon... time to go back home. See you tomorrow #biblibre (for a D-8 before take off :D )
16:35 wizzyrea   zoinks! almost lunchtime here too! where did this morning go!
16:34 wizzyrea   :)
16:34 wizzyrea   fwiw you can always email lrea@nekls.org or wizzyrea@gmail.com
16:34 nengard    k - lunch time - will be back soon
16:34 slef       I went to pick a random email address for you off the list, but got interrupted before I got there.
16:33 wizzyrea   nope, I will add that too.
16:32 slef       wizzyrea: am I overlooking an easy way to contact you from/about the site?
16:31 wizzyrea   slef: please let me know if you run across any others like that, I'll fix them. There are a few pages I've done special tricks on to make things work, that I don't want people to edit, but most everything else is fair game.
16:28 wizzyrea   it's going to take me a little bit to catch them all, but that particular page should be ready for your edit.
16:25 wizzyrea   yes, sorry I will fix that
16:22 nengard    i can't edit wizzyrea's pages either :) i think it's cause she's logged in as an admin when she writes them
16:22 slef       I can edit nengard-created pages AFAICT.
16:21 slef       wizzyrea: why can't I edit your koha-community.org pages or contact you about them except in public? I think I wanted to fix the nabble mailing list archive link and stop it going to spam.
16:21 nengard    i like that idea - 'suggested'
16:21 nengard    can't find it - i know i reported it though ... gonna report it again :)
16:20 wizzyrea   (well not all optional, there's obviously mandatory stuff)
16:20 wizzyrea   it should all be optional, but I think we should suggest some.
16:20 wizzyrea   I mean, what should be checked for sample data
16:19 nengard    find
16:19 wizzyrea   I'd like to see "Suggested"
16:19 nengard    i'll fidn it
16:19 nengard    frameworks
16:19 nengard    that one has a bug already
16:19 wizzyrea   frameworks are another one
16:19 wizzyrea   I think I'll file a bug about that, it bears discusison I think
16:19 nengard    my biggest complaint is with the framework editor
16:18 * wizzyrea is reminded about one of her annoyances with the label creator
16:18 wizzyrea   ^^ YES
16:18 nengard    anywhere we have individual delete links
16:17 nengard    which brings up a feature I'd like to see in many more places - checkboxes and delete checked options :)
16:17 wizzyrea   that's fair
16:17 nengard    most libraries have their own and it's not as simple as clicking 'delete all' to get rid of the defaults
16:17 nengard    wizzyrea i agree with all except item types
16:17 wizzyrea   maybe we need to define a "suggested" install.
16:16 nengard    thanks jcamins
16:16 wizzyrea   and the message transports!
16:16 jcamins    Okay, I'll assume it's collection-level records that are of interest, and respond to that.
16:15 jcamins    nengard: yes.
16:15 wizzyrea   I feel like holidays, item types, sample news, z servers, and authorized values ought to be optional, but checked by default
16:15 nengard    paul_p - email coming your way
16:15 nengard    the person who asked me just asked if I have any examples of people using Koha to catalog archives
16:14 nengard    jcamins - are you asking about my email?
16:14 wizzyrea   for an installation
16:14 wizzyrea   hmm, I'm looking at the currently selected default data
16:09 jcamins    nengard: do you mean for collection-level records, or records for individual letters, etc.?
16:01 jcamins    Isn't that a good thing? It means it won't ask for anything you don't have.
16:01 wizzyrea   but I suppose that an admin competent enough to already be running a debian server probably wouldn't have much trouble with koha
16:01 wizzyrea   the bad thing is that the install instructions assume a spanky new debian install
16:00 wizzyrea   I always find that I need build-essentials and nano and ssh when I install
16:00 jcamins    Whatever you end up with after running the Debian installer according to the Koha installation instructions.
15:59 slef       jcamins: I'm pretty sure nano is in most debian tasks. It all depends what you mean by "vanilla".
15:58 paul_p     right...
15:58 nengard    actually not morning here anymore either - where did the time go!!
15:57 paul_p     nengard, it's 6Pm in France, not really morning anymore :D
15:57 nengard    paul_p good morning - heading over there now
15:57 paul_p     (good morning USA !)
15:57 paul_p     nengard, mail from me in your mailbox
15:42 jcamins    Yes, but if that's what I can rely on being on *any* Debian server, that's what I'm going to recommend learning.
15:41 slef       ed and vi have their place.  It's probably 1984.
15:40 jcamins    That doesn't seem unkind to me. Merely an observation that the majority of librarians were doing library-related things in 1984, not reading Introducing the Unix System. ;)
15:38 Elwell_    unkind. (but sadly true)
15:38 jcamins    I always use vi, but it has occurred to me that most librarians probably wouldn't know how to use it.
15:37 slef       just remember it's debian :)
15:37 jcamins    Cool, thanks.
15:37 slef       also editor or sensible-editor
15:36 slef       /etc/alternatives/editor should get you the best possible
15:36 slef       oh wait
15:36 jcamins    Thanks.
15:36 jcamins    nano doesn't appear to come installed by default.
15:36 jcamins    ed! That's the one I forgot about.
15:36 slef       nano, vi or ed I think
15:33 jcamins    What text editor does one use on a completely vanilla Debian installation?
15:15 jcamins    git rebase v3.00.06?
15:15 jcamins    How do you rebase onto a tag?
14:50 jcamins    thd is so diplomatic. "Somewhat antiquated."
14:48 trea       alright, my koha install finished, and now I must goto a staff meeting. thanks again for your help
14:47 jcamins    Actually, I'm not sure I've gotten any patches at all.
14:47 jcamins    Oh, I never got the patch from you.
14:46 jcamins    wizzyrea: I could have sworn we added it, but I can't find the patch.
14:46 jcamins    Hm.
14:45 trea       thanks jcamins!
14:45 trea       AHA! that got it!
14:45 wizzyrea   k cool. So it's just the tarball that's mucked atm then
14:45 jcamins    I'll check...
14:45 jcamins    wizzyrea: yes, I thought we did that.
14:44 wizzyrea   the package installer I mean (maybe we did and I have weekend amnesia)
14:44 wizzyrea   jcamins: is that one that we need to add to the installer?
14:44 trea       thanks jcamins, i'll let you know the result
14:43 jcamins    trea: try sudo apt-get install libmodule-install-perl
14:42 trea       /usr/bin/perl Makefile.PL INSTALLDIRS=site -- NOT OK
14:42 trea       REDTREE/PDF-API2-Simple-1.1.4u.tar.gz
14:42 trea       Warning: No success on command[/usr/bin/perl Makefile.PL INSTALLDIRS=site]
14:42 trea       BEGIN failed--compilation aborted at Makefile.PL line 1.
14:42 trea       Can't locate inc/Module/Install.pm in @INC (@INC contains: /etc/perl /usr/local/lib/perl/5.10.0 /usr/local/share/perl/5.10.0 /usr/lib/perl5 /usr/share/perl5 /usr/lib/perl/5.10 /usr/share/perl/5.10 /usr/local/lib/site_perl .) at Makefile.PL line 1.
14:42 trea       i've run apt-get install libpdf-api2-perl, and it says that the package already exists; furthermore when I attempt to install this package via CPAN I get the following errors:
14:41 trea       i'm using debian 2.6.26-2-686, and am attempting an install of the release candidate (i'm helping to test) and I have gotten all the way to the web installer portion of the documentation. However, it says that PDF::API2::Simple  is missing.
14:39 trea       hello koha folk. i'm having a problem installling koha. can you help?
14:34 slef       wizzyrea: not yet. It's on my todo but so is the world. :-/
14:33 jcamins    (currently on 3.1.0.135)
14:32 jcamins    Our server doesn't have it.
14:28 wizzyrea   or whatever it is
14:28 wizzyrea   did you have trouble with Authen:CAS:Client
14:28 wizzyrea   has anybody installed from the tarball?
13:58 jcamins    It'll probably be a few days before I write the RFC, and somewhat longer before I can actually start working on it, but for my clients, at least, this will be a much-wanted feature.
13:57 jcamins    Sounds good.
13:57 slef       anyway, if you note something like that in the RFC or Enh, I'll be happy
13:57 jcamins    Have it always set to '5' with this interface.
13:56 jcamins    LDR/17
13:56 slef       that's not the one I was trying to remember :)
13:56 munin      slef: Sixteen characters that indicate the date and time of the latest record transaction and serve as a version identifier for the record. They are recorded according to Representation of Dates and Times (ISO 8601). The date requires 8 numeric characters in the pattern yyyymmdd. The time requires 8 numeric characters in the pattern hhmmss.f, expressed in terms of the 24-hour (00-23) clock. []
13:56 slef       @marc 005
13:56 jcamins    Yeah.
13:56 slef       Probably flag something in the record to say "this is incomplete and you should either complete it or use any other MARC record in preference"
13:55 jcamins    I think there would have to be a note to the effect that "this interface is limited to only the most basic data entry."
13:54 slef       Anyway, what I'm trying to express is that I'm a bit ambivalent about helping people to catalogue without learning a little cataloguing terminology because it may result in poor-quality catalogues and Koha getting blamed for it.
13:54 jcamins    Okay, so maybe that's not such a good example either. (note to self: try and use "extent" in conversations more)
13:53 slef       extent has many meanings... it's not the most common one, but it's valid
13:52 jcamins    It may just be that "extent" isn't a word that I've ever heard used, then.
13:52 slef       now I'm no librarian, but that seems straightforward to me
13:52 jcamins    Yeah, as I said, I know what it means, but I would never know to define "extent" as "number of pages" if you didn't include the phrase "300 a." ;)
13:52 munin      slef: Extent The number of pages, volumes, cassettes, total playing time, etc., of the described item. (Repeatable)
13:52 slef       @marc 300 a
13:51 munin      slef: unknown tag 300$a
13:51 slef       @marc 300$a
13:51 slef       Like number of pages?
13:51 jcamins    Oh, yes. Librarians much prefer to use MARC.
13:51 slef       It means the extent, doesn't it?
13:51 jcamins    I know what it means, and I still have no idea what the word "extent" means in this context.
13:51 slef       I am sceptical about simplified cataloguing. I think Koha used to have it and the MARC-linked one became far more widely used for a reason.
13:51 jcamins    "Physical description - Extent"... what?
13:50 jcamins    A better example would be 300a.
13:50 jcamins    Bad example.
13:50 jcamins    Well, that one's pretty straightforward, actually.
13:50 jcamins    I will be doing nothing with the underlying data storage.
13:50 slef       So that a user doesn't have to know that the ISBN goes in 020 labelled "INTERNATIONAL STANDARD BOOK NUMBER"? :-/
13:49 jcamins    So that a user doesn't have to know that the ISBN goes in 020.
13:49 jcamins    Yes. Something that looks more like a citation manager interface.
13:48 slef       non-MARC?
13:47 jcamins    I think I may have a sponsorship for a non-MARC cataloging entry form.
13:41 nengard    later
13:41 nengard    koha demo time - be back alter
13:26 jcamins    All-day staff meetings... ick.
13:18 jcamins    Good morning, #koha
13:09 nengard    hi lars
13:09 larsw      nengard, hey, sympathies and cheers!
12:13 nengard    one of the things i dont miss about being in the library :) all day staff meetings (specifically those that were supposed to be 1 hour)
12:13 owen       It usually is :)
12:12 nengard    that sounds terrible
12:05 * owen     pops in for a few minutes before a grueling all-day staff meeting begins
12:04 owen       Hi everyone
12:02 gmcharlt   good morning
11:57 nengard    morning wasabit and collum too!
11:57 chris_n    heya nengard
11:57 nengard    morning chris_n
11:56 cait       bye all :)
11:32 nengard    hiya cait
11:31 magnus     hiya cait
11:31 cait       hi magnus and nengard
11:17 magnus     :-)
11:17 nengard    the fire - not the cold outside ;)
11:16 nengard    magnus that sounds lovely
11:16 * magnus   has a fire going in the livingroom...
11:15 munin      magnus: The current temperature in Bodo, Norway is 6.0�C (12:50 PM CEST on October 11, 2010). Conditions: Light Rain Showers. Humidity: 76%. Dew Point: 2.0�C. Windchill: 1.0�C. Pressure: 29.89 in 1012 hPa (Steady).
11:15 magnus     @wunder bodo, norway
08:58 CGI938     tomorrow again
08:58 CGI938     gtg guys thanks for answering my queries..
08:48 CGI938     anybody help with my query on connecting remotely to windows server of koha. thanks
08:43 CGI938     is it possible to connect remotely to the admin which the koha is installed in windows?
08:35 CGI938     is it possible to connect remotely to the admin which the koha is installed in windows
08:35 CGI938     yes i can connect locally. i can't connect remotely to the admin but can connect remotely to opac
08:23 slef       I thought the windows one used 8080, but can you connect locally to the admin?
08:20 CGI938     2.2.9 which is working in windows
08:19 cait       CGI938: which version of koha have you installed?
08:13 CGI938     while 172.xx.x.x:8080 unable to connect
08:13 CGI938     still can't connect 172.xx.x.x:80 am able to connect to opac
08:12 jovax      no problem
08:12 CGI938     will try
08:12 CGI938     thanks jovax
08:12 ivanc      s/172/127/
08:12 jovax      just example
08:11 ivanc      look ad address 172.x ... is the loopback device
08:10 jovax      check the virtual host opac 172.x.x.x:80  , admin 172.x.x.x:8080
08:08 CGI938     i want to connect to the admin part remotely
08:07 CGI938     yes it is i was able to connect to it but opac is the default
08:07 jovax      hi chris still there?
08:03 ivanc      CGI938: apache is installed correctly?
08:01 CGI938     hello. somebody help. i installed koha on windows and i need to connect to it remotely. i was able to connect to it by using the ip address (e.g. http://172.xx.x.x) but it always connects me to the opac but i want to connect to the admin part of the koha not the opac. anybody help, it wil be deeply appreciated. thanks. Eugene librarian from the Philippines
08:00 mib_8fv8w  i like koha but my problem i am newbie in linux.
08:00 mib_8fv8w  im switching koha 3 months ago but before im using hunter system.
07:58 mib_8fv8w  chris are you  the one developer on koha system
07:52 chris      no problem
07:51 mib_8fv8w  thnks for helping me.
07:51 mib_8fv8w  me philippines
07:50 chris      new zealand
07:49 mib_8fv8w  hi chris where are you from?
07:48 mib_8fv8w  ah ok]
07:47 chris      nope, you would be better off asking on an apache forum or a linux one
07:45 mib_8fv8w  did you know how to tune up
07:45 mib_8fv8w  maybe
07:44 chris      you probably need to tune your apache, to open less threads
07:44 mib_8fv8w  right now i restarted my koha system because the memory free is almost 48mb.
07:42 chris      mib_8fv8w: maybe reduce the number of threads apache starts
07:39 mib_8fv8w  if i restarted the system the size is going normal but the the client is going to login the memory will become smaller until the system is become slow because is out of memory
07:32 mib_8m3l9  chris: ok
07:32 mib_8fv8w  the memory free is 127mb
07:32 mib_8fv8w  when i check free -m just like this koha:~# free -m  total       used       free     shared    buffers     cached Mem:          1990       1863        127          0          7         89 -/+ buffers/cache:       1765        224
07:29 mib_8fv8w  all the process is 3184 www-data  20   0 97664  25m 4024 R   13  1.3  10:40.86 opac-reserve.pl
07:26 chris      mib_8m3l9: can your system administrator tell you why those ports breach security? if all you have listening on them is a z3950 server, there has to be something listening on a port for anything to happne, open ports with nothing listening to them isnt a problem so surely the number of the port has nothing to do with it, its more whats listening on that number
07:25 hdl        hi cait.
07:24 cait       hi hdl and chris
07:24 mib_8fv8w  when i check the process that is the result   2957 www-data  20   0  112m  27m 4024 R   14  1.4  26:19.85 opac-reserve.pl
07:23 hdl        hi chris.
07:14 mib_8m3l9  asked any koha user, who have implemented koha with setting securtiy also
07:14 mib_8m3l9  chris: our system administrator said, that these ports breaches serious types of security
07:11 cait       hi ivanc
07:11 ivanc      guten morgen cait
07:11 cait       hi #koha
07:10 chris      paul_p: not long now ;)
07:09 chris      thats a linux question, not really a koha one, you are better off asking that in a linux specific forum, im unsure what threat you have by opening on outbound port to  a specific ip
07:07 mib_8m3l9  how can I secure our server from security reasons while keeping open ports for z39.50
07:06 mib_8m3l9  we opened the ports for z39.50, but some securtiy threat persists
07:05 mib_8m3l9  hi all
07:02 magnus     g'day #koha
07:01 ivanc      good morning #koha
06:59 paul_p     D-9 before takeoff :D
06:59 paul_p     morning from Europe chris
06:50 chris      evening all
06:50 chris      mib_8fv8w: that sounds like a linux problem, you might be better off asking on a linux specific forum
06:27 mib_8fv8w  pls. help me
06:25 mib_8fv8w  did somebody know how to resolve this kind of problem
06:24 mib_8fv8w  im installing koha on debian lenny i have a problem my system always out of memory
06:21 mib_8fv8w  hi! all
05:57 munin      chris: The current temperature in Wellington, New Zealand is 9.0�C (6:00 PM NZDT on October 11, 2010). Conditions: Rain Showers. Humidity: 93%. Dew Point: 8.0�C. Pressure: 30.51 in 1033 hPa (Rising).
05:57 chris      @wunder Wellington nz
05:12 mib_hub1l  hello
03:51 Amit       heya chris
03:28 robin      yeah, I did the same :)
03:19 richard    darn, just as i'd looked up a translation on google
03:13 RedDragon  hola soy cubano, hay alguien que quiera platicar conmigo?
02:44 munin      jcamins_b: The current temperature in Astoria, Astoria, New York is 19.5�C (10:49 PM EDT on October 10, 2010). Conditions: Clear. Humidity: 50%. Dew Point: 9.0�C. Pressure: 29.73 in 1006.7 hPa (Steady).
02:44 jcamins_b  @wunder 11105
02:21 robin      So it turns out that Liberty can't output well-formed CSV files. In other news, my CSV-to-MARC script can now handle badly formed CSV files :)