Time Nick Message 23:58 hudsonbot Galen Charlton: further correction to the invocation of unzip 23:58 hudsonbot Project Koha build (59): SUCCESS in 6 min 15 sec: http://bugs.koha-community.org:8080/job/Koha/59/ 23:52 hudsonbot Starting build 59 for job Koha (previous build: SUCCESS) 23:50 munin New commit(s) kohagit: further correction to the invocation of unzip <http://git.koha-community.org/gitweb/?p=koha.git;a=commitdiff;h=8eb7e1cbf708e329203b993a518e6669d172cd8f> 23:28 hudsonbot Galen Charlton: Tighten system call to unzip 23:28 hudsonbot Project Koha build (58): SUCCESS in 6 min 12 sec: http://bugs.koha-community.org:8080/job/Koha/58/ 23:22 hudsonbot Starting build 58 for job Koha (previous build: SUCCESS) 23:20 munin New commit(s) kohagit: Tighten system call to unzip <http://git.koha-community.org/gitweb/?p=koha.git;a=commitdiff;h=1125f4f432edd6ddbb8f7e1b2489a891a86c215c> 22:45 cait good night #koha 22:43 darling we (me and wizzyrea) never did sort out the apache rewrites to make those pages tidy as possible under wordpress -- is still on my 'do this' list 22:33 chris_n bbl 22:33 chris_n images need to be 300x300dpi if it ever goes to print 22:33 chris yeah 22:29 chris_n ie what works for the web doesn't for pdf, and vice-versa 22:28 * chris_n wonders if it will end up in a battle of formats 22:28 chris_n pre-sizing them would help as well 22:26 chris_n as well 22:25 chris_n that's what I ran into last time 22:25 chris_n yeah, the image parameters in the docbook format need some fixing up 22:23 chris was one effort 22:23 chris http://stats.workbuffer.org/koha3-2manual.pdf 22:23 chris the images were what i ran into problesm with 22:21 * chris_n tries to crawl out from under the multitude of errors encountered while attempting to convert the manual from docbook to pdf :-P 22:04 chris continious integration testing ftw 22:03 chris it was originally for java, but is well versatile enough to use for anything 22:02 Braedon sorry, stupid question 22:02 * Braedon does a slightly better google search 22:01 Braedon is hudson internal? never heard of it 22:00 Braedon haha 22:00 chris yeah one more stable build and the sun will be out fully here http://bugs.koha-community.org:8080/ 21:59 chris :) 21:58 Braedon ls? 21:58 chris_n nice to see the red going away on hudsonbot's graph 21:58 Braedon it also needs an interface to show the list of cached files 21:57 Braedon (or less, or tail, or any text editor) 21:57 chris :) 21:56 Braedon include a copy of more? 21:56 Braedon hmm, the cache just has to provide an interface - it doesn't technically say the interface has to be part of the cache 21:53 Braedon lazy markers 21:53 Braedon sigh 21:53 Braedon exactly 21:53 Braedon really? what is hte point of making logs if you are viewing them in the application? 21:53 chris and tail is not enough? :) 21:52 Braedon contents of the cache’s log..." - from an assignment handout 21:52 Braedon "The cache should provide an interface that allows the user to view the 21:46 robin well, it's only been 2 or 3 years since the last one, hasn't it? 21:46 munin New commit(s) kohagit: add explicit type to elements missing it <http://git.koha-community.org/gitweb/?p=koha.git;a=commitdiff;h=8a5cf3605b616d920b09a7e8b8354f02f00495eb> / bug 4472: in a hackish fashion, quiet warnings about DOCTYPE in the XSLT <http://git.koha-community.org/gitweb/?p=koha.git;a=commitdiff;h=b7f886205f87a5ad2101f7c1f0aca4379ed129f5> 21:46 Braedon it could be any day now - it is episodic after all 21:46 Braedon :P 21:46 robin yeah, that would be pretty bad :) 21:45 Braedon robin: make sure you finish it soon - you wouldn't want ep3 to come out before you do 21:45 chris its nice and happy now 21:45 chris wizzyrea: http://bugs.koha-community.org:8080/job/Koha/lastBuild/? 21:44 Braedon robin: sounds like a plan 21:44 wizzyrea oooooo success! 21:44 robin Maybe I should deal to that this weekend. 21:44 munin 04Bug http://bugs.koha-community.org/bugzilla3/show_bug.cgi?id=4472 blocker, PATCH-Sent, ---, chris, NEW, img tags in xslt broken after automatic translation 21:44 hudsonbot * Galen Charlton: add explicit type to <input> elements missing it 21:44 hudsonbot * Galen Charlton: bug 4472: in a hackish fashion, quiet warnings about DOCTYPE in the XSLT 21:44 hudsonbot Project Koha build (57): SUCCESS in 6 min 33 sec: http://bugs.koha-community.org:8080/job/Koha/57/ 21:44 robin I still have yet to finish HL2 Ep2, I'm stuck right near the end. 21:43 * Braedon wants portal 2 21:43 * Braedon takes off his pedantic hat 21:43 * robin wants to go home and play it now actually :) 21:43 robin right you are, it's been a while since I've beaten Portal :) 21:42 Braedon isn't it "huge success"? 21:40 chris :) 21:40 robin (ref: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=RthZgszykLs) 21:39 robin chris: I'd change that message to be: "This was a triumph. I'm making a note here: Great Success!" 21:37 hudsonbot Starting build 57 for job Koha (previous build: SUCCESS) 21:34 wizzyrea what if you say Koha and system administration, how about that >.> 21:31 Braedon hmm. which is going to be easier - writing a client-cache-server in one night in java with sockets or rmi? 21:28 Braedon and quashed. That was close 21:27 munin chris: The operation succeeded. Quote #95 added. 21:27 chris @quote add < robin> to be honest, I think if you mention Koha and Perl, your CV could say your hobbies include puppy-kitten cage-fights, and you'd be snapped up :) 21:26 Braedon it's a rebellion! 21:26 munin chris: Error: You must be registered to use this command. If you are already registered, you must either identify (using the identify command) or add a hostmask matching your current hostmask (using the "hostmask add" command). 21:26 chris @quote add < robin> to be honest, I think if you mention Koha and Perl, your CV could say your hobbies include puppy-kitten cage-fights, and you'd be snapped up :) 21:25 Braedon haha 21:25 chris lol 21:24 robin to be honest, I think if you mention Koha and Perl, your CV could say your hobbies include puppy-kitten cage-fights, and you'd be snapped up :) 21:22 chris make sure you mention Koha :) 21:22 chris thats the one 21:21 Braedon O'Connor* 21:21 Braedon actually, would that be Mike )'Connor? 21:21 Braedon i take it i should address it to the 'mike' in the email link - does he have a last name? 21:20 chris fabulous 21:18 Braedon i will try and remember to write up a cover letter tuesday 21:17 Braedon friday, monday, friday 21:17 Braedon 3 assignments remaining in my uni career 21:17 Braedon sigh* 21:17 Braedon sight 21:17 chris still worth sending one :) 21:16 Braedon totally forgot about that 21:16 Braedon (and ongoing) 21:16 Braedon had solid assignments for like 2 months 21:16 Braedon damn 21:16 Braedon ooo, no 21:16 chris heya LBA 21:15 chris :) 21:15 chris sent your cv yet Braedon ? 21:15 munin Braedon: The current temperature in Auckland, New Zealand is 15.0�C (10:00 AM NZDT on October 07, 2010). Conditions: Scattered Clouds. Humidity: 77%. Dew Point: 11.0�C. Pressure: 30.27 in 1025 hPa (Steady). 21:15 Braedon @wunder auckland 21:01 sekjal goodnight, #koha! 20:59 chris bug_reports++ 20:59 cait Colin: I can reproduce the date problem - will file a bug report 20:50 irmaB yep..Keep Smiling! 20:49 irmaB amazing number of commits was the highlight! 20:49 chris still its over now, and onwards and upwards 20:49 chris wasnt a lot of fun thats for sure 20:47 irmaB what a day yesterday 20:46 chris hi irmaB 20:46 irmaB g'morning all 20:39 chris cya jcamins_a 20:37 jcamins Good night, #koha. 20:37 jcamins Yeah, definitely. 20:32 chris :) 20:30 jcamins I think maybe it's just time to call it a day. 20:30 jcamins Well, except for the fact that the letters are bold. But I'm willing to overlook the fact that they are pulled from a different font. 20:29 chris i hate bugs like that 20:29 chris heh, 20:29 jcamins Now it works fine with the XSLT enabled. 20:29 hudsonbot Chris Cormack: Updated spanish files 20:29 hudsonbot Project Koha build (56): SUCCESS in 6 min 22 sec: http://bugs.koha-community.org:8080/job/Koha/56/ 20:28 jcamins Wait. 20:27 jcamins Okay, font issue. 20:27 jcamins I'll try disabling that, see what happens. 20:27 jcamins Yeah, using XSLT. 20:27 * chris always go for easy answers first 20:26 jcamins I'll check. 20:26 jcamins I'm pretty sure I'm using XSLT with both. 20:26 chris is one xslt and one not? 20:26 jcamins Strangely the last two letters in Khatt display as capital 'U's with umlauts in the Staff Client normal view. 20:25 jcamins http://donum.numismatics.org/cgi-bin/koha/opac-detail.pl?biblionumber=103298 20:25 chris youch 20:24 jcamins And the Normal display in the Staff Client. 20:24 jcamins I appear to have found a record that breaks MarcEdit. 20:24 munin New commit(s) kohagit: Merge branch 'translation' of git://git.workbuffer.org/git/koha into master <http://git.koha-community.org/gitweb/?p=koha.git;a=commitdiff;h=7475c9dd476cb4343583e2778efd5b05495ba8c6> / Updated spanish files <http://git.koha-community.org/gitweb/?p=koha.git;a=commitdiff;h=f7a455d1eb343a2c21a22e16a9c95eb5af942a53> 20:23 jcamins This is just bizarre, though. 20:22 jcamins Well, yes. 20:22 hudsonbot Starting build 56 for job Koha (previous build: SUCCESS) 20:22 chris pretty sure too 20:22 chris im pretty the use of MARC-8 is a bad idea ;) 20:22 jcamins For the record, the simultaneous use of MARC-8 and UTF-8 in catalogs is a profoundly bad idea. 20:21 jcamins Argh! 20:20 jcamins ASFDLKJAFSDLKASFDLKNQTuihgjkasgdnsvkl;klsfdlasmksdlkmasd 20:17 * chris_n heads out 19:57 briceSanc ebegin, yes but it can't return the fr_CA 19:52 chris seem ok, committed now, so feel free to pull whenever you want 19:50 chris gmcharlt: testing the spanish file now 19:48 cait hm 19:45 jcamins I baked my cookie bars at 10pm last night. 19:45 cait already late here :( 19:44 cait I was thinking about making some - but not sure it's a good idea 19:43 jcamins cait: if that was an offer, I never say no to apple crumble. ;) 19:32 cait aaah 19:32 chris http://leephillips2.wordpress.com/2010/10/06/butte-public-library-moves-to-3-2-test-server/ 19:30 munin wizzyrea: The operation succeeded. 19:30 wizzyrea @later tell lee WOO HOO!!! Way to go on 3.2!! 19:29 munin chris: The operation succeeded. 19:29 chris @later tell lee congrats! 19:27 ebegin briceSanc, the C4/Languages/getTranslatedLanguages returns the language to display in the list 19:27 chris back 19:20 briceSanc yes 19:20 cait and activated in sys prefs? 19:19 briceSanc yes 19:19 cait the translation installed? 19:19 briceSanc what do koha needs to see a translation ? 19:18 chris Bbs 19:18 chris Ok my stop 19:16 briceSanc in the display location option select 19:16 briceSanc I've a problem with koha3.2b, i unable to see the fr_CA translate in the display location of koha-news.pl 19:16 sekjal chris: good to know, thanks! 19:15 chris Or chur :) 19:15 chris Say cheers driver 19:15 chris If you wanna look like a local 19:14 chris Kohacon tip #1342 19:14 chris Oh yeah in wellington we usually say thanks to the driver when getting off the bus 19:13 chris You get some good thank yous on a nice day like this 19:13 * chris_n is working on a git hook to alert for changes in deps 19:13 chris "It was a privilege to ride with you" to the driver 19:13 chris_n jwagner: that's it atm 19:13 chris Heh someone just got off the bus and said 19:12 chris Yeah sounds likely 19:11 chris_n maybe post-merge 19:11 cait jcamins: apple crumble? 19:11 jwagner my current head server is complaining about not having Business/ISBN.pm -- does anyone know offhand if there are other new Perl dependencies? 19:10 * chris doesn't know off the top of his head 19:10 chris What ever gets called by a rebase or merge 19:10 chris_n post-receive and post-update don't seem to work as expected 19:09 chris_n chris: which hook would you suggest for dep checking? 19:09 cait hm 19:08 * cait takes a note to buy layers... 19:08 chris Hehe 19:08 cait layers 19:08 cait okok 19:08 chris Layers! 19:07 cait so I don't have to pack so many warm clothes? 19:07 cait :) 19:07 chris Not a cloud in the sky cait 19:06 munin cait: The current temperature in Wellington, New Zealand is 10.0�C (8:00 AM NZDT on October 07, 2010). Conditions: Clear. Humidity: 94%. Dew Point: 9.0�C. Pressure: 30.21 in 1023 hPa (Steady). 19:06 cait @wunder wellington nz 19:06 cait :) 19:05 chris Its tempting to get off the bus and sit in the sun vs aircon office 19:00 chris I do like the little weather graphic 18:59 chris The sun will come out on huson soon 18:59 chris Yay 2 in a row 18:59 munin 04Bug http://bugs.koha-community.org/bugzilla3/show_bug.cgi?id=2704 major, PATCH-Sent, ---, oleonard, ASSIGNED, 440 Display Issues 18:59 hudsonbot Galen Charlton: Another fix for Bug 2704, 440 Display Issues 18:59 hudsonbot Project Koha build (55): SUCCESS in 6 min 23 sec: http://bugs.koha-community.org:8080/job/Koha/55/ 18:56 chris I would never have met my wife if I hadn't wanted to visit nyc 18:56 chris I have a soft spot for nyc 18:56 chris Heh 18:55 jcamins chris: then clearly you are still in NZ and did not somehow teleport to NYC. 18:55 chris On the bus and its another gorgeous day 18:55 jcamins Does such a thing exist yet? 18:55 jcamins I would like a script that automatically merges identical authorities. 18:53 jcamins wizzyrea: mmmm. Sounds tasty. 18:52 hudsonbot Starting build 55 for job Koha (previous build: FIXED) 18:52 wizzyrea jcamins: http://coconutlime.blogspot.com/2010/10/chocolate-chip-oatmeal-pumpkin-cookies.html 18:52 schuster by all off to visit a couple of libraries... 18:51 munin New commit(s) kohagit: Another fix for Bug 2704, 440 Display Issues <http://git.koha-community.org/gitweb/?p=koha.git;a=commitdiff;h=8ece6223b92ecf1f1e60813ac6782ea1d86c5516> 18:51 schuster vaguely remembers this same conversation about 3 weeks ago about training information for building tests... :) with wizzyrea! Only she may get some first hand information at KohaCon... wish I could go :( 18:48 chris brb 18:48 * chris wanders out to the bus 18:46 munin cait: Karma for "gmcharlt" has been increased 169 times and decreased 3 times for a total karma of 166. 18:46 cait @karma gmcharlt 18:46 chris sweet 18:46 gmcharlt chris: there's time enough for the es-ES update 18:46 cait gmcharlt++ 18:45 chris gmcharlt: will push the es.po update when i get to work, but dont let that stop you if you beat me getting rc1 ready 18:45 chris will talk on the bus 18:45 chris ok, gotta head to work 18:45 chris as a .git hook 18:45 jcamins gmcharlt++ 18:45 chris well you can run the deps checker 18:43 * chris_n votes for a more graceful way of handling new deps on installs running over git 18:40 cait another good 3.2 candidate 18:35 munin 04Bug http://bugs.koha-community.org/bugzilla3/show_bug.cgi?id=2704 major, PATCH-Sent, ---, oleonard, ASSIGNED, 440 Display Issues 18:35 cait bug 2704 18:34 chris yeah 18:34 cait and how to write new tests 18:34 jcamins I flipped my indicators. 18:34 owen Thanks gmcharlt. I guess the tutorial is needed to explain what do with the test results 18:33 jcamins Oh, wait. 18:31 cait removing the indicator check 18:31 cait jcamins: there is a patch from owen I think 18:30 munin 04Bug http://bugs.koha-community.org/bugzilla3/show_bug.cgi?id=4506 enhancement, P5, ---, katrin.fischer, NEW, Add support of record linking by record control number in $w 18:30 jcamins Without cait's patch for bug 4506, Koha doesn't display 490/830 at all. 18:30 jcamins Oh, sugar. 18:29 gmcharlt prove t/db_dependent 18:29 gmcharlt and, assuming it's a deve database and you don't mind a little script of scribbling 18:29 cait tutorial++ 18:29 gmcharlt prove t 18:29 gmcharlt owen: assuming a normal development setup, you can just do 18:28 munin rhcl: Error: "shoot" is not a valid command. 18:28 rhcl munin: shoot hudsonbot 18:28 munin rhcl: (roulette [spin]) -- Fires the revolver. If the bullet was in the chamber, you're dead. Tell me to spin the chambers and I will. 18:28 rhcl @roulette hudsonbot 18:28 jcamins Whoops, I meant cookie bars, but hopefully hudsonbot doesn't mind. 18:28 munin rhcl: Error: "rulette" is not a valid command. 18:28 rhcl @rulette hudsonbot 18:27 hudsonbot jcamins: yummy! I could eat curried coconut oatmeal chocolate chip cookies all day long 18:27 chris how about we schedule a tutorial on irc eh? 18:27 jcamins hudsonbot: botsnack curried coconut oatmeal chocolate chip cookies 18:26 * owen doesn't know how it works 18:26 owen Okay... How? :) 18:26 hudsonbot chris_n: yummy! how did you know that 1 dz cookies is my favorite food? 18:26 chris_n hudsonbot: botsnack 1 dz cookies 18:26 chris that would be awesome owen 18:25 owen So these tests... They are something we should be doing when we change something? 18:25 gmcharlt Yippie? heh 18:25 chris we made the bot happy!! 18:25 hudsonbot Project Koha build (54): FIXED in 6 min 5 sec: http://bugs.koha-community.org:8080/job/Koha/54/ 18:25 hudsonbot Yippie, build fixed! 18:24 chris ill commit and let you know 18:24 chris he has updated the spanish file 18:24 * jcamins thinks his commits had better not break the build, though ;) 18:24 chris gmcharlt: just got an email from one of the spanish translators 18:24 jcamins True. 18:23 chris jcamins: so it can be meaner than a person can, if that makes sense 18:23 chris wb owen 18:23 chris the nice thing is, a bot is a lot easier to not take personally 18:22 chris if ths shoe fits ... *grin* 18:22 jcamins chris: I think you scared Drl-Ulm away with your talk of threatening e-mails from hudsonbot. 18:21 Drl-Ulm Bye! 18:21 chris when their commit breaks tests, it will send them an email 18:21 chris i can make it email people 18:21 chris when its more happy 18:21 chris it sure is 18:20 chris_n that is, however, a very cool feature 18:20 chris 07:23 <hudsonbot> Nighswonger 18:19 chris 07:23 -!- Irssi: Starting query in bugs with hudsonbot 18:19 chris_n hehe 18:19 chris then it will stop messaging me blaming you :) 18:19 chris fingers crossed! 18:19 hudsonbot Starting build 54 for job Koha (previous build: STILL FAILING -- last STILL UNSTABLE #51 41 min ago) 18:18 * chris fixes 18:18 chris good spotting 18:18 chris ahh ha 18:18 chris_n just after exporting the envars 18:17 chris_n here it specifically calls for the Patroncards tests 18:17 chris_n + prove_cover t/ t/db_dependent/ t/db_dependent/Labels t/db_dependent/Patroncards --harness=TAP::Harness::JUnit 18:17 chris_n can we force him to start over? 18:17 chris something must be referencing it 18:16 chris_n hudson appears to be specifically retesting previously failed tests 18:16 chris t/db_dependent/Patroncards .......... 18:16 chris Can't open perl script "t/db_dependent/Patroncards": No such file or directory 18:16 * druthb pouts 18:15 cait no! 18:15 * cait takes the gun away from druthb 18:15 druthb rats 18:15 munin druthb: *click* 18:15 druthb @roulette 18:15 munin druthb: *click* 18:15 druthb @roulette 18:15 munin druthb: *click* 18:15 druthb @roulette 18:14 hudsonbot Project Koha build (53): STILL FAILING in 5 min 9 sec: http://bugs.koha-community.org:8080/job/Koha/53/ 18:14 druthb so I see. 18:14 munin chris: Error: "isnt" is not a valid command. 18:14 chris munin isnt opped, cant kick 18:13 druthb hmp 18:13 * munin reloads and spins the chambers. 18:13 munin *BANG* Hey, who put a blank in here?! 18:13 druthb @roulette 18:12 * druthb giggles a little 18:12 hudsonbot druthb: thanks a lot! om nom nom. how did you know that Rice Krispie Treats is my favorite food? 18:12 druthb hudsonbot: botsnack Rice Krispie Treats 18:11 hudsonbot chris_n: great! yum yum. I could eat cookie all day long 18:11 chris_n hudsonbot: botsnack cookie 18:11 hudsonbot Koha(BUILDING: 1 min 40 sec and counting): Health [Build stability: 1 out of the last 5 builds failed.(80%): http://bugs.koha-community.org:8080/job/Koha/52/ 18:11 chris_n hudsonbot: health Koha 18:11 cait re #koha 18:11 hudsonbot Koha(BUILDING: 1 min 18 sec and counting): last build: 52 (18 min ago): FAILURE: http://bugs.koha-community.org:8080/job/Koha/52/ 18:10 chris_n hudsonbot: status Koha 18:10 hudsonbot Use !hudsonhelp to get help! 18:10 hudsonbot jcamins did you mean me? Unknown command 'if' 18:10 jcamins hudsonbot: if you do this right, I'll give you a cookie. 18:10 chris heh 18:09 owen hudsonbot is trying to make a play for the top of the IRC stats list 18:09 chris there we go 18:09 hudsonbot Starting build 53 for job Koha (previous build: FAILURE -- last STILL UNSTABLE #51 31 min ago) 18:09 hudsonbot gmcharlt: job Koha build scheduled now 18:09 gmcharlt hudsonbot: build Koha now 18:09 hudsonbot gmcharlt: syntax is: 'build <job> [now|<delay>[s|m|h]] [<parameterkey>=<value>]*' 18:09 gmcharlt hudsonbot: build now 18:09 reva So jcamins, since your install went so smoothly, how about a vacation in Antigua (it has 365 beaches) and you can install our set up?:) 18:09 hudsonbot userstat <username> - prints information about a Hudson user 18:09 hudsonbot testresult [<job>|-v <view>] - show the test results of a specific job, jobs in a view or all jobs 18:09 hudsonbot status [<job>|-v <view>] - show the status of a specific job, jobs in a view or all jobs 18:09 hudsonbot schedule <job> [now|<delay>[s|m|h]] [<parameterkey>=<value>]* - schedule a job build, with standard, custom or no quiet period 18:09 hudsonbot s [<job>|-v <view>] - show the status of a specific job, jobs in a view or all jobs 18:09 hudsonbot queue - show the state of the build queue 18:09 hudsonbot q - show the state of the build queue 18:09 hudsonbot jobs [<job>|-v <view>] - show the status of a specific job, jobs in a view or all jobs 18:09 hudsonbot health [<job>|-v <view>] - show the health of a specific job, jobs in a view or all jobs 18:09 hudsonbot h [<job>|-v <view>] - show the health of a specific job, jobs in a view or all jobs 18:09 hudsonbot comment <job> <build-#> <comment> - adds a description to a build 18:09 hudsonbot build <job> [now|<delay>[s|m|h]] [<parameterkey>=<value>]* - schedule a job build, with standard, custom or no quiet period 18:09 hudsonbot botsnack [<snack>] - om nom nom 18:09 hudsonbot alias [<alias> [<command>]] - defines a new alias, deletes one or lists all existing aliases 18:09 hudsonbot abort <job> - specify which job to abort 18:09 hudsonbot Available commands: 18:09 chris !hudsonhelp 18:09 hudsonbot Use !hudsonhelp to get help! 18:09 hudsonbot chris did you mean me? Unknown command '!build' 18:09 chris hudsonbot: !build 18:09 chris_n chris: the log is unclear, but I'll bet hudson is not cleaning up from the previous build 18:08 Drl-Ulm Of course! 18:08 reva Owen, I have tried, Begged, cajoled, and whatever other artifice I can muster. Now I am in Antigua and there seems to be a paucity on IT experitse (let alone linux expertise).:) 18:07 jcamins Drl-Ulm: Linux provides all the tools you need for perfection. However, perfection is a state of mind, not a place. ;) 18:07 reva ok, jcamins:) I tried and you definitely tried to help. I have a couple of people who answered on the daemon package and what to insert in the sources.list file. Let me start at the point. 18:06 chris and kick off a new build 18:06 chris chris_n: that might be the problem lemme explicitly make it 18:06 Drl-Ulm but, Linux is perfect! ;) 18:06 chris_n the log does not say 18:06 owen reva: It would probably be a good idea to find someone with Linux experience who can sit down with you and help you through the process 18:05 chris_n chris: does hudson make clean every time? 18:05 jcamins (that is, this is not a problem with Linux-the-system, but a problem for Linux experts) 18:05 jcamins I was able to follow the instructions that you have exactly and at the end Koha worked perfectly. 18:04 jcamins This is a Linux problem. 18:04 jcamins reva: I have no explanation. 18:04 chris yeah its not there, but its still trying to run it it looks like 18:02 chris end of the output here 18:02 chris http://bugs.koha-community.org:8080/job/Koha/lastBuild/console 18:02 chris_n hmm.... 18:02 chris Result: FAIL 18:02 chris Files=42, Tests=878, 249.667 wallclock secs ( 0.45 usr 0.26 sys + 232.04 cusr 6.46 csys = 239.21 CPU) 18:02 chris t/db_dependent/Patroncards (Wstat: 512 Tests: 0 Failed: 0) Non-zero exit status: 2 Parse errors: No plan found in TAP output 18:02 chris_n that patch removed the test file entirely 18:01 chris Parse errors: No plan found in TAP output 18:01 chris oh maybe it is 18:00 chris_n hudson bug? 18:00 reva ... of Incoming. The following information may help to resolve the situation: The following packages have unmet dependencies: mysql-client: Depends: mysql-client-5.0 but it is not going to be installed E: Broken packages. jcamins, that all of the msg i get when I ran the command. 18:00 chris not your problem chris_n 18:00 chris PANIC: could not determine stream at /usr/share/perl/5.10/App/Prove.pm line 496 18:00 nengard it's honest :) 17:59 chris its the test bot, and it will blame the ppl who caused the failure ... its a meany 17:59 reva jcamins, I get this when I ran the command: Reading package lists... Done Building dependency tree Reading state information... Done Some packages could not be installed. This may mean that you have requested an impossible situation or if you are using the unstable distribution that some required packages have not yet been created or been moved out ... 17:59 chris we have clouds 17:59 chris_n sup with that? 17:59 chris http://bugs.koha-community.org:8080/ 17:59 chris_n ouch 17:59 nengard okay - this may have been answered- but who is this hudsonbot? 17:58 chris oh noes, failure 17:58 munin 04Bug http://bugs.koha-community.org/bugzilla3/show_bug.cgi?id=5284 major, PATCH-Sent, ---, cnighswonger, RESOLVED FIXED, Generic report covering various problems with the labels/patron card tests 17:58 hudsonbot Chris Nighswonger: Bug 5284 - Generic report covering various problems with the labels/patron card tests 17:58 hudsonbot Project Koha build (52): FAILURE in 5 min 24 sec: http://bugs.koha-community.org:8080/job/Koha/52/ 17:57 jcamins Then try the step again. 17:56 reva ok, i will; 17:56 jcamins apt-get install mysql-client 17:56 jcamins reva: try running this command: 17:56 reva it thinks mysqladmin is the command. I searched for a file or folder called mysqladmin, but I found others with mysql in the name, but mysqladmin. 17:55 reva what do you mean jcamins? yes, when I type in sudo mysqladmin password <password>, replaced <password> with a chosen password (without the angle brackets), but it says command not found. Even when I add the sudo in front of it (I am logged in as root; so did not have to running any so far.) 17:52 hudsonbot Starting build 52 for job Koha (previous build: STILL UNSTABLE -- last STILL UNSTABLE #51 15 min ago) 17:48 jcamins reva: did you actually try that step? 17:46 reva hi I am still trying to continue though it said "install seems impossible". Now I did not do any dselect command. So how would I reset the password for mysqladmin. 17:46 chris went back to sleep 17:45 chris_n still awake? :-) 17:45 chris in 7 mins or so 17:44 chris_n that will resolve next run 17:44 jcamins So close. 17:44 chris_n k hudsonbot, play it again 17:44 jcamins 1 failure. 17:43 munin 04Bug http://bugs.koha-community.org/bugzilla3/show_bug.cgi?id=5284 major, PATCH-Sent, ---, cnighswonger, RESOLVED FIXED, Generic report covering various problems with the labels/patron card tests 17:43 hudsonbot * Chris Nighswonger: Bug 5284 - Generic report covering various problems with the labels/patron card tests 17:43 hudsonbot * Chris Nighswonger: Bug 5284 - Generic report covering various problems with the labels/patron card tests 17:43 hudsonbot * Chris Nighswonger: Bug 5284 - Generic report covering various problems with the labels/patron card tests 17:43 hudsonbot * Chris Nighswonger: Bug 5284 - Generic report covering various problems with the labels/patron card tests 17:43 hudsonbot Project Koha build (51): STILL UNSTABLE in 6 min 11 sec: http://bugs.koha-community.org:8080/job/Koha/51/ 17:41 munin New commit(s) kohagit: Merge remote branch 'koha-fbc/k_bug_5284' into master <http://git.koha-community.org/gitweb/?p=koha.git;a=commitdiff;h=12d53ca26b628200d188c076075729ffdca6bb4a> / Bug 5284 - Generic report covering various problems with the labels/patron card tests <http://git.koha-community.org/gitweb/?p=koha.git;a=commitdiff;h=63c527a10eb2162475eb1bee817bb04c9d2208bb> 17:40 gmcharlt 52 should catch them all if not 17:40 gmcharlt chris: depending on timing 51 should bring it down to 1 or 0 17:40 owen-away Hi chris 17:39 chris was 50 17:39 chris Latest Test Result (11 failures / -1) 17:39 reva oh, well. I have tried twice. I am not cracking the code and i get stuck in the same place. So I guess I fall back on installing my Live CD Koha 3.0.6 and then may be I can make upgrade from there to 3.2 one day. Sigh:(! 17:39 chris can 51 get us into single figures 17:37 hudsonbot Starting build 51 for job Koha (previous build: STILL UNSTABLE -- last STILL UNSTABLE #50 15 min ago) 17:32 reva I get the cpan> command prompt when i typed cpan at my root prompt. I ran the o config init, and it says commit: wrote /etc/perl/cpan/config.pm. So when I initialized cpan, do I run the long command for CheckDigits, currency at this prompt? 17:31 munin New commit(s) kohagit: Merge remote branch 'koha-fbc/k_bug_5284' into master <http://git.koha-community.org/gitweb/?p=koha.git;a=commitdiff;h=7041f19ee1555cd8d6cd097aa965094b21d3d0ba> / Bug 5284 - Generic report covering various problems with the labels/patron card tests <http://git.koha-community.org/gitweb/?p=koha.git;a=commitdiff;h=04a0d942954d62f228f5ce0be1c01c10c726cbf2> / Bug 5284 - Generic report covering various problems with the labels/pa 17:31 gmcharlt chris_n++ 17:29 munin 04Bug http://bugs.koha-community.org/bugzilla3/show_bug.cgi?id=4472 blocker, PATCH-Sent, ---, chris, NEW, img tags in xslt broken after automatic translation 17:29 hudsonbot Galen Charlton: Bug 4472 Fix how are injected into XSL files 17:29 hudsonbot Project Koha build (50): STILL UNSTABLE in 6 min 19 sec: http://bugs.koha-community.org:8080/job/Koha/50/ 17:28 chris_n gmcharlt: patches to fix all outstanding labels test bugs may be picked up here: http://git.koha-community.org/gitweb/?p=wip/koha-fbc.git;a=shortlog;h=refs/heads/k_bug_5284 17:26 * wizzyrea reconsiders, posts gmcharlt some chamomile tea, for after. 17:25 * wizzyrea gives gmcharlt a cup of coffee and some caffiene mints 17:24 jcamins Poor hudsonbot is going to collapse from exhaustion if gmcharlt keeps on at this rate. Heck, I might collapse from sympathetic exhaustion with all that gmcharlt's been committing! 17:22 hudsonbot Starting build 50 for job Koha (previous build: STILL UNSTABLE -- last STILL UNSTABLE #49 30 min ago) 17:22 reva So what went wrong? or was it ok, nevertheless? Anyone? 17:21 munin New commit(s) kohagit: Bug 4472 Fix how are injected into XSL files <http://git.koha-community.org/gitweb/?p=koha.git;a=commitdiff;h=f7570c461a9869531438f72b52cef9f77279ed83> 17:21 wizzyrea I have a mean snarl. And I'm not afraid of baseball bats 17:21 * druthb runs over and hides behind wizzyrea. 17:21 druthb good. 17:20 wizzyrea druthb: you can always hide behind me, too 17:20 reva 'YAML' not installed, will not store persistent state Running make test Can't test without successful make Running make install Make had returned bad status, install seems impossible. 17:20 reva Checking if your kit is complete... Looks good Writing Makefile for Locale::Currency::Format TNGUYEN/Locale-Currency-Format-1.28.tar.gz make -- NOT OK Warning (usually harmless) and it adds.. 17:18 reva sorry, the paste from the past:). Anyhow, I ran it with the Memoize. But it still says: 17:16 hdl1 Well time to call it a day 17:15 hdl1 thanks for fixing tests. 17:14 reva So I will recorrect it and run. I thought it was a typo. 17:14 reva gmchart, thanks, no wonder the command seemed to produce this after screens full of stuff : Need to get 0B of archives. After unpacking 0B will be used. Writing extended state information... Done 17:13 hdl1 indeed. 17:13 hdl1 thanks gmcharlt. I thought you might have been part of the discusion. 17:13 gmcharlt but seems to work well enough 17:12 gmcharlt hdl1: ask chris, he set it up 17:12 hdl1 gmcharlt: any hint about the choice of hudson compared to smolder ? 17:12 gmcharlt reva: no, it is indeed Memoize 17:11 reva well someone corrected the double \\ to single. But in the second line of that command it should be Memorize (the r is missing.) 17:07 * druthb goes :P at jwagner. 17:06 * jwagner says, "what did I tell you earlier???" 17:05 * druthb hides behind jwagner, since kf went away 17:02 jcamins (we had this issue on another one of my channels) 17:01 jcamins Apparently that's why bots are supposed to use /notice 17:01 jcamins Communication is important, especially for bots. ;) 16:59 gmcharlt ah, I see we have bots talking to each other 16:59 owen Thanks gmcharlt and jcamins 16:59 munin 04Bug http://bugs.koha-community.org/bugzilla3/show_bug.cgi?id=4305 normal, PATCH-Sent, ---, frederic, ASSIGNED, Amazon book covers do not work with ISBN13 16:59 gmcharlt owen: jcamins is right 16:59 hudsonbot * Galen Charlton: Followup to Bug 4305: multiple ISBNS in biblioitems.isbn breaks patron 16:59 hudsonbot * Galen Charlton: fix invalid invocation of GetBranches in test case 16:59 hudsonbot Project Koha build (49): STILL UNSTABLE in 6 min 29 sec: http://bugs.koha-community.org:8080/job/Koha/49/ 16:58 jcamins owen: 008/33? (guessing) 16:57 wizzyrea ...far from it, even 16:57 wizzyrea I can't say I have even once been unnecessarily excited about these thighs 16:56 wizzyrea ... 16:56 owen If I do a search using this CCL: "fic:1", where is zebra looking in the MARC record for that data? 16:54 * owen reads wizzyrea's typo as "gets unnecessarily excited about these thighs" 16:53 reva ok owen:) Just timid about wrecking anything and having to start over; this is our second try:(. 16:53 * wizzyrea gets unnecessarily excited about these thigns 16:53 wizzyrea WOO HOO 16:53 nengard your patch was perfect - or at least it did what it was supposed to do :) 16:53 owen reva: Yes, and you should do so without asking for permission each time 16:53 wizzyrea lol YAY 16:53 nengard I formatted the patch wrong and had to resend :) 16:52 wizzyrea OH 16:52 nengard wizzyrea - i was broken :) 16:52 hudsonbot Starting build 49 for job Koha (previous build: STILL UNSTABLE -- last STILL UNSTABLE #48 30 min ago) 16:52 reva owen, so I can proceed to the next step and see? 16:52 wizzyrea j/k :) 16:52 owen reva: I wold interpret "done" and meaning you don't need to do more with that step. 16:51 reva owen, so slef here informed me that I must already have the daemon in the packaged archives, so no need to download it. 16:51 * wizzyrea moans that she can't do anything right lately 16:51 wizzyrea was it broken? 16:51 wizzyrea care to elaborate? 16:51 wizzyrea oh dear 16:51 munin New commit(s) kohagit: Followup to Bug 4305: multiple ISBNS in biblioitems.isbn breaks patron <http://git.koha-community.org/gitweb/?p=koha.git;a=commitdiff;h=0d768b482e032c5f9700df331d7aff71f9a23e6c> / fix invalid invocation of GetBranches in test case <http://git.koha-community.org/gitweb/?p=koha.git;a=commitdiff;h=6049aeeacb233c853c0af6238e657dc7142c7696> 16:50 reva sorry owen, my line got long: so with aptitude install daemon command it adds the info that Need to get 0B of archives. After unpacking 0B will be used.Writing extended state information... Done 16:48 nengard wizzyrea - done - in a confusing way - but done :) 16:48 reva I get "Building dependency tree. Reading state information. bzip already newest version." and then it says , Package daemon (that is referred to by another package is not available). That is for "install_misc/apt-get-debian-lenny.sh". when I do "aptitude install daemon" after saying initializing this and that, it says No candidate version found. and it says . 16:45 owen What does it say when you type "aptitude install daemon" and hit enter? 16:43 reva owen. Debian does not understand sudo it only speaks su. and I switched to su root and entered the root password. So I do not need the sudo in front of the commands. Anyway, the answer to your question is "no, it does not come up with a dialog. with [Y/N]? 16:43 owen reva, when you type "sudo aptitude install daemon" and hit enter, what happens? Are you presented with a question, "Do you want to continue? [Y/n/?]" ? 16:42 chris_n cool... fixing a test actually showed up a bug in real code 16:41 reva Also I used the "install_misc/apt-get-debian-lenny.sh" from inside the misc folder found in koh-3.02.0-beta. Could that be the reason it is not finding the daemon. (I am logged in as root, but installing Koha in usr named Kohauser.) 16:40 owen reva, when you type "sudo aptitude install daemon" and hit enter, what happens? Are you presented with a question, "Do you want to continue? [Y/n/?]" ? 16:39 wizzyrea I'm feeling kind of dumb, this is like the 5th time I've tried 16:39 wizzyrea jcamins was going to do it after lunch, but you can try if you like 16:37 reva hi when I do a search file search (using my graphical interface), it finds 144 files with daemon is the name. (such as mailer-daemon, gnome-settings-daemon. exactly what daemon is Koha referring to? Does anyone here know the answer? (I have written to the debian channel, but I am not sure when I will get the answer.) 16:33 nengard unless someone else has 16:33 nengard wizzyrea i'll give that patch a whirl again :) 16:29 kf my fault? 16:29 kf oh no 16:29 munin 04Bug http://bugs.koha-community.org/bugzilla3/show_bug.cgi?id=5013 major, PATCH-Sent, ---, oleonard, ASSIGNED, "New patron" menu button broken on circulation patron select screen 16:28 hudsonbot Galen Charlton: Bug 5013: Advanced patron search category pull down broken 16:28 hudsonbot Project Koha build (48): STILL UNSTABLE in 6 min 16 sec: http://bugs.koha-community.org:8080/job/Koha/48/ 16:28 reva I hope my last request for including the ftp address in the file it is supposed to go in so that debian coud go fetch the daemon for itself and then I can aptitude install on it. 16:25 gmcharlt jcamins: back in the date we liked our dates in little pieces, I suppose :) 16:23 jcamins slashifyDate? 16:22 hudsonbot Starting build 48 for job Koha (previous build: STILL UNSTABLE -- last STILL UNSTABLE #47 30 min ago) 16:21 munin New commit(s) kohagit: Bug 5013: Advanced patron search category pull down broken <http://git.koha-community.org/gitweb/?p=koha.git;a=commitdiff;h=f53f20bd6f0d5b1a945c9bb49cfef46500b6e2f8> 16:19 kf gmcharlt: thx again :) 16:14 wizzyrea owen++ 16:14 wizzyrea in a you just fixed something that has been so broken for so long kind of way 16:13 wizzyrea owen: i love you. 16:10 owen But now it has pretty color-changing buttons and it remembers the columns you chose for next time 16:10 * owen spent way too much time on this: http://screencast.com/t/OkS7SHtM9 16:04 ivanc bye 16:04 munin 04Bug http://bugs.koha-community.org/bugzilla3/show_bug.cgi?id=5013 major, PATCH-Sent, ---, oleonard, ASSIGNED, "New patron" menu button broken on circulation patron select screen 16:04 kf gmcharlt: can I suggest one more patch to push? :) bug 5013 16:02 jcamins Maybe that's the next step for hudsonbot. 16:02 owen Drl-Ulm: can you please also attach patches to your bug report? 16:01 gmcharlt yep, alas, hudsonbot is not automatically fixing the test cases for us 16:01 jcamins Wow, I thought for a moment that hudsonbot was reporting to gmcharlt that the build was working better. 15:59 hudsonbot Galen Charlton: more test case fixes 15:59 hudsonbot Project Koha build (47): STILL UNSTABLE in 6 min 36 sec: http://bugs.koha-community.org:8080/job/Koha/47/ 15:52 hudsonbot Starting build 47 for job Koha (previous build: STILL UNSTABLE -- last STILL UNSTABLE #46 45 min ago) 15:51 munin New commit(s) kohagit: more test case fixes <http://git.koha-community.org/gitweb/?p=koha.git;a=commitdiff;h=d243847c0a23898dc9c8c7f9692fdd776a139603> 15:47 briceSanc ok i will tink about that 15:46 slef You can always add UQAM style if you wish and it's not there. 15:46 slef so you end up limited to what the perl barcode modules support printing. I forget their names. Check the manual. 15:45 slef but that is less common. 15:45 slef briceSanc: best situation probably would be if you also have a barcode printer which takes a number from the computer and prints the right barcode for you. 15:44 briceSanc self, thanks! 15:44 briceSanc self, ok 15:44 slef briceSanc: yes, the barcode hardware should just send a number to the computer. 15:44 slef briceSanc: in automatic numbering, or printing? But the answer is probably that it can, but does not as released. 15:44 briceSanc slef, but you say it's the barcode hardware who read barcode and decrypt the barcode? 15:43 jcamins kf: I cannot begin to imagine why you wouldn't want to show it. OCLC is pretty ridiculous. 15:43 briceSanc slef, i would like to know if Koha can generate UQAM barcode or not ? 15:43 kf why would you not want to show it? 15:42 jcamins I could show you records where it makes sense, too. ;) 15:42 kf I am not sure about OCLC - but I can show you a record where it makes a lot of sense 15:41 jcamins I have long claimed that OCLC is wrong in that. 15:41 slef Not by default, but support in what way? A lot more depends on your barcode hardware. 15:41 briceSanc Does Koha support UQAM barcode ? 15:41 jcamins The very end of that page I linked to. 15:41 kf where do they say it shoudl not be displayed? 15:41 jcamins Wow. kf has gone where angels fear to tread: "<!-- 490 Series traced, Ind1 = 1 -->" 15:40 jcamins That's what I'm here for. :) 15:40 kf let me check 15:40 kf jcamins: you ask difficult questions :) 15:39 jcamins (I agree with you on that, by the way, just checking that I understand) 15:38 jcamins kf: I see you added display of 775. You disagree with OCLC that the only 76x-78x fields that should display are 773, 780, and 785? (see http://www.oclc.org/bibformats/en/7xx/76x-78x.shtm ) 15:37 reva will log in and try to post a screen shot. Because it says No Candidate Version found for daemon. But I have to log in from that station. 15:35 slef reva: aptitude install will unpack and install it. But without seeing what aptitude responded, I don't understand what problem you are encoutnering. 15:35 munin gmcharlt: The operation succeeded. 15:35 gmcharlt @later tell chris fixed permissions on the kohaversion.pl symlink to make hudson marginally happier 15:34 larsw reva, I don't know what you're installing, but I think jcamins is right that a more general Linux (or Debian) support channel might be more helpful; you could try #debian on the irc.debian.org network, or the brand-new http://shapado.debian.net/ site 15:34 reva Thanks larsw: so where would I find it to unpack it? Or the command to unpack it, so that i can run aptitude install. 15:33 larsw reva, yes, that was for you 15:33 reva larsw, are you saying that to me? Yes, I installed Debian from a iso cd. But why is it not finding it? Rather where would I find it in my folders to extract it? 15:32 larsw it might, for example, have already downloaded everything, or be installing them from a CD 15:31 larsw that just means it does not need to download anything 15:29 reva jcamins: even as I am writing I am trying various things. But to no avail. I keep getting the same message for aptitude install daemon: Need to get 0B archives. 15:25 jcamins reva: that's a Linux question, but it sounds to me like you already have everything. Just try things, see what happens. The only way you get used to new software is experimenting with it. 15:24 reva Says I neet to get 0B of package After unpacking 0B will be used. so where would I get this 0B? 15:24 gmcharlt chris_n: those are old failures, actually, so you're OK - we haven't yet achieved 100% test passage, so it's premature to pick on anybody for breaking the build ;) 15:22 * chris_n becomes the first of hudsonbot's victims... ;-) 15:21 jcamins reva: http://www.debian.org/doc/ <-- reading the documentation would help, since really all the problems you're having are with getting used to Linux and have very little to do with Koha 15:21 gmcharlt thanks 15:21 chris_n I'll get on it after lunch edt 15:20 gmcharlt chris_n: ok - can you do the surgery to remove the obviously bogus test cases today? 15:20 reva ok thanks; sorry for the trouble. But you have been great help. I appreciate that, taking time out to answer a beginner. 15:20 chris_n gmcharlt: yup; those are most likely outdated tests 15:19 slef reva: no, it doesn't matter where you are when you run aptitude. 15:19 kf jcamins++ for proof reading all those marc21 things! 15:19 slef reva: sorry, I'm at work, so time is limited. Please read the instructions, get help from tech support or maybe a local user group. 15:19 reva Would I be in the misc folder? Or should I be at the root. Because I was in the misc folder when I ran the "sudo install_misc/apt-get-debian-lenny.sh" command. May be that is why it gave the message. I should have been at the root. 15:19 * kf blushes 15:18 munin 04Bug http://bugs.koha-community.org/bugzilla3/show_bug.cgi?id=4506 enhancement, P5, ---, katrin.fischer, NEW, Add support of record linking by record control number in $w 15:18 jcamins kf++ # still reading through the bug 4506 fix 15:17 reva That was supposed to be a smiley:) 15:17 reva ok, jcamin: 15:17 jcamins Type "sudo aptitude install daemon" and press enter. 15:17 jcamins reva: no, there is no prepending or appending. 15:16 gmcharlt chris_n: are the label and patroncard failures in http://bugs.koha-community.org:8080/job/Koha/46/#showFailuresLink also happening to you? 15:16 reva jcamin: I got the when I ran the "sudo install_misc/apt-get-debian-lenny.sh", the response said the Package Daemon is not available. So I would just add the "aptitude install daemon" at the end of the "sudo install_misc/apt-get-debian-lenny.sh" ? 15:16 kf some other languages don't even have copied marc21 frameworks 15:15 kf I remember checking every file for differences 15:15 kf they are not translated 15:15 jcamins I see. 15:15 kf I think the changes happened when I copied some of my work over 15:15 jcamins Ohh. 15:15 kf jcamins: those are the french marc21 frameworks, they were a copy fo the marc21 frameworks, only some item fields were named different 15:14 hudsonbot Use !hudsonhelp to get help! 15:14 hudsonbot gmcharlt did you mean me? Unknown command 'yeah,' 15:14 gmcharlt hudsonbot: yeah, I'm working on it 15:14 hudsonbot * Galen Charlton: cleanup of DB-dependent fund test cases 15:14 hudsonbot * Galen Charlton: fix typo/thinko in list test 15:14 hudsonbot Project Koha build (46): STILL UNSTABLE in 6 min 21 sec: http://bugs.koha-community.org:8080/job/Koha/46/ 15:14 jcamins reva: just run exactly the command that slef suggested. 15:13 kf jcamins: now I am a bit confused myself 15:13 reva Slef, I do not even know the path to finding the daemon package inside debian. Say I download it. I would place it in the koha3.02.0-bet/misc. What would be the command to run it at that stage? 15:12 jcamins kf: http://github.com/kfischer/Koha/commit/520a099f01519d6e8187e2e70d742bb3144958ab#L2L114 15:11 kf jcamins: can you give me the link what you are looking at? 15:11 reva slef, so I am not getting you. so I would prepend aptitude install deamon to the install command. I am sorry, I am very new to this install from scratch. 15:11 kf jcamins: not sure what you mean, I added the $w subfields that were missing to all existing frameworks 15:11 munin New commit(s) kohagit: cleanup of DB-dependent fund test cases <http://git.koha-community.org/gitweb/?p=koha.git;a=commitdiff;h=917c397968b1adb8c969a5782615dda7e869ce4c> / fix typo/thinko in list test <http://git.koha-community.org/gitweb/?p=koha.git;a=commitdiff;h=01bf4aa658bb184447f7b011a1235dfa6c84eacd> 15:10 jcamins kf: I'm a little confused about the changes in marc21_framework_DEFAULT.sql. Is this two sets of changes? 15:09 slef reva: the command to install it is probably in install_misc/apt-get-debian-lenny.sh but I would guess: aptitude install daemon 15:08 hudsonbot userstat <username> - prints information about a Hudson user 15:08 hudsonbot testresult [<job>|-v <view>] - show the test results of a specific job, jobs in a view or all jobs 15:08 hudsonbot status [<job>|-v <view>] - show the status of a specific job, jobs in a view or all jobs 15:08 hudsonbot schedule <job> [now|<delay>[s|m|h]] [<parameterkey>=<value>]* - schedule a job build, with standard, custom or no quiet period 15:08 hudsonbot s [<job>|-v <view>] - show the status of a specific job, jobs in a view or all jobs 15:08 hudsonbot queue - show the state of the build queue 15:08 hudsonbot q - show the state of the build queue 15:08 hudsonbot jobs [<job>|-v <view>] - show the status of a specific job, jobs in a view or all jobs 15:08 hudsonbot health [<job>|-v <view>] - show the health of a specific job, jobs in a view or all jobs 15:08 hudsonbot h [<job>|-v <view>] - show the health of a specific job, jobs in a view or all jobs 15:08 hudsonbot comment <job> <build-#> <comment> - adds a description to a build 15:08 hudsonbot build <job> [now|<delay>[s|m|h]] [<parameterkey>=<value>]* - schedule a job build, with standard, custom or no quiet period 15:08 hudsonbot botsnack [<snack>] - om nom nom 15:08 hudsonbot alias [<alias> [<command>]] - defines a new alias, deletes one or lists all existing aliases 15:08 hudsonbot abort <job> - specify which job to abort 15:08 hudsonbot Available commands: 15:08 slef !hudsonhelp 15:08 hudsonbot Use !hudsonhelp to get help! 15:08 hudsonbot slef did you mean me? Unknown command 'you' 15:08 slef hudsonbot: you are too chatty. 15:08 reva how would I install if it is already there? I mean which folder is it in, and what is the command to installing it in (inside the Koha-3.02.0-beta/misc ? 15:07 hudsonbot Starting build 46 for job Koha (previous build: STILL UNSTABLE -- last STILL UNSTABLE #45 12 min ago) 15:07 jcamins What does getIndexes do? 15:06 slef reva: http://packages.debian.org/lenny/daemon but it should be available to your package manager already. 15:04 reva slef, where would I find the Package deamon to install it? I mean is it something I fetch from outside? what is the url for it? 15:04 kf jcamins: glad you like it 15:03 slef reva: you need to install package daemon to completely install koha. Do what it suggests, or put the message on the pastebin if you'd like help interpreting it. 15:02 hudsonbot Project Koha build (45): STILL UNSTABLE in 6 min 44 sec: http://bugs.koha-community.org:8080/job/Koha/45/ 15:01 reva So should I ignore and continue on to the next step? 15:01 reva it says Package Daemon is referred to by another package. 15:00 reva ok it ran it now(my typo) It says package daemon is not available, but available from another source (It contiues to say that this may mean that the package is missing, has been obsoleted.... package daemon has no installation candidate) 14:59 slef !rename hudsonbot KnechtRuprecht 14:59 jcamins kf: this is fantastic 14:58 * jcamins gives hudsonbot an oatmeal coconut curry chocolate chip cookie bar as a peace offering 14:55 reva I am running the sudo install_misc/apt-get-debian-lenny.sh; but even when I am in the extracted folder, it says no such file or directory. But I see the folder. anyone? 14:55 wizzyrea that's what he does :P 14:55 wizzyrea OH 14:55 hudsonbot Starting build 45 for job Koha (previous build: STILL UNSTABLE -- last STILL UNSTABLE #44 18 min ago) 14:55 kf owen: I think he expects us to share our cookies with him 14:55 chris_n more likely to give out coal 14:54 chris_n lol 14:54 owen Uh oh. I get the feeling hudsonbot isn't here to give us cookies. 14:50 jcamins kf: yeah, I use the online one mostly, too. 14:48 owen Of course briceSanc, I just wanted to make sure you were going to :) 14:47 briceSanc owen, could i submit tomorrow ? 14:45 reva thanks, slef:) 14:44 slef reva: it depends but I'd do it to the kohauser. 14:43 reva slef, should I be extracting it to root? or to the kohauser (another log in)? I mean would it mess up permissions if it is all extracted to root? 14:42 kf jcamins: the german doc is available as pdf - not very handy 14:42 kf jcamins: I always use the online documentation of loc 14:41 munin 04Bug http://bugs.koha-community.org/bugzilla3/show_bug.cgi?id=5281 trivial, P5, ---, kyle.m.hall, NEW, "Check in" then "Renew" checkboxes checked in the same time 14:41 owen briceSanc: Please submit your patch for bug 5281 14:40 munin New commit(s) kohagit: various improvements to t/db_dependent/VirtualShelves.t <http://git.koha-community.org/gitweb/?p=koha.git;a=commitdiff;h=037686eff21d72df910c4cef78ec01d33b8475cc> / removed AddToShelfFromBiblio from C4::VirtualShelves <http://git.koha-community.org/gitweb/?p=koha.git;a=commitdiff;h=552a64864878f8ad99543111dbbde4fe5a7be12c> / fix test plan and false test errors in Search.t <http://git.koha-community.org/gitweb/?p=koha.git;a=c 14:39 jcamins I think maybe I should campaign for a new set. 14:38 jcamins Our documentation is from the 80s. 14:38 jcamins It was redefined in 2007. 14:38 jcamins There's why. 14:38 jcamins Ohhh. 14:37 jcamins Yup. 14:37 kf jcamins: is it what I used for set? 14:37 kf jcamins: I am not sure how long it existed 14:36 slef owen: mismatched parentheses 14:36 jcamins kf: do you know, I never noticed LDR/19? 14:36 owen Grr! Why is my page suddenly giving me a js error? "uncaught exception: Syntax error, unrecognized expression: )" 14:36 reva sorry I cannot see very well, I kept seeing slef (correct?) as sief. 14:34 munin 04Bug 5281: trivial, P5, ---, kyle.m.hall, NEW, "Check in" then "Renew" checkboxes checked in the same time 14:34 briceSanc http://bugs.koha-community.org/bugzilla3/show_bug.cgi?id=5281 i have a patch 14:34 slef reva: it's slef not sief 14:33 druthb mmmm 14:33 * kf shares some cookies with her new shadow 14:32 * druthb hides behind kf. 14:32 reva thanks sief. 14:32 kf druthb: you can hide behind me :) 14:30 slef the file install_misc/apt-get-debian-lenny.sh is in the koha package 14:29 slef reva: good point. Don't start installing it, but do unpack it if you picked option B in 1.4. 14:27 reva After I fetch the Koha am I to start on its installation, or wait till 2.2? (because the instruction just says to fetch it, nothing about installing it.) 14:26 * druthb looks for a less-fierce place to hide. 14:26 slef reva: I would guess OK is OK. 14:24 * jwagner tells druthb THAT WON'T WORK! 14:24 reva Am I supposed to see the ok as my response, when it has added the key to the indexdata.asc? Because that is what is on the screen after i ran the command. Anyone. 14:23 kf hi druthb :) 14:22 * druthb sneaks in, hides behind jwagner. 14:10 reva It is now installed with web server and sql packages. we had difficulty only when we started Perl, as far as I recall. 14:09 reva ok, I am following instructions strictly. Thanks sief and jcamins. 14:09 slef If the system will only do koha, a minimal install will be OK, as the Koha installation will configure the rest. 14:08 slef instructions to install debian can be found somewhere on http://www.debian.org/ 13:57 jcamins reva: I would suggest following the instructions. Really. 13:56 jcamins kf++ 13:56 jcamins kf: yay! 13:50 reva Thanks sief. 13:49 slef or if only one to pick, webserver... fileserver will be things like samba 13:48 slef reva: sorry, I'm at work, so slow. I think only sql database and web server 13:47 reva do i need the file server? 13:44 seneca kf: Ok, I know I'm not running the newest version, so maybe I'll file it if it still exists after I upgrade... whenever that is. ;) Thanks! 13:44 reva by the way, I downloaded CD1. I am not sure it has all the packages. hi jcamins. 13:44 kf jcamins: I have a public repo for the linking work now and working on a file with example records 13:43 kf that the problem still exists... 13:43 kf seneca: a comment that the problem exists and which version you use is always good It hink 13:42 reva so do i pick these? or wait to get in and pick from the misc folder? sief 13:42 munin seneca: Error: "kf" is not a valid command. 13:42 seneca @kf It seems that there is already a bug report for it - would adding my voice help move it up proority? 13:41 reva ok sief, i will. It has given me a a choice of sql database, web server, file server, print server (this is the gui installer; not yet in misc.) 13:41 munin jcamins: The operation succeeded. 13:41 jcamins @later tell SJeffery I would suggest that you might be better off using 773 for analytics, with all the work that kf is doing on linking. 13:40 slef owen: my brain is full of bugs. Sadly they seem to be roaches. 13:39 kf seneca: file a bug report / enhacnement request for it 13:39 * owen wonders how much useful information leaked out of his brain to make room for Koha bugs 13:38 slef reva: look in the file in misc that has a list of packages? 13:38 seneca No worries, though - I can run an export from the mysql db and be patient. Thanks! 13:38 slef blogger.com now requires cookies :-( 13:38 Drl-Ulm Hello 13:38 slef "Your comment has been saved and will be visible after blog owner approval." hahahaha 13:37 reva hi sief do I install the packages. We are using the graphical interface. What packages would I choose so installs MySQL (with the admin module) and Perl? 13:37 seneca Is it odd that it is specified for patrons with no checkouts? 13:37 owen I speculate that the "to a file" feature was never added? I don't really know. 13:37 seneca ah 13:36 munin 04Bug http://bugs.koha-community.org/bugzilla3/show_bug.cgi?id=3946 major, P5, ---, gmcharlt, ASSIGNED, can't export Items with no checkouts 13:36 owen seneca: That is known as Bug 3946 13:36 seneca Is there a setting or switch I need to flip? 13:36 seneca When trying to export the output of the report for items with no checkouts, the option to choose "to a file" is greyed out, but that option is available when exporting the output of the patrons with no checkouts report. 13:35 slef jwagner: I agree it's a pity, but how does peeing in the pool more make it less poisonous? 13:34 slef paul_p: yeah yeah :D 13:34 paul_p slef, I this there was an error processing you form :D :D 13:34 seneca Greetings - anyone care to help me figure out a strange behavior wth report exporting that I don't understand? 13:33 slef I keep getting "There was an error processing this form. Please try again." on http://library-matters.blogspot.com/2010/10/school-yard-bullying-is-alive-and-well.html - can anyone suggest why? 13:33 irma jwagner Why confuse librarians worldwide by introducing 2? 13:33 paul_p irma: not sure it's a good idea to put oil on fire (frenchism detected ;-) ). And anyway, it's a kind of personal opinion "do you like this painting/music/...") 13:33 jwagner irma, from what I've been told, that logo is not new. We designed it and started using well over a year ago, after the community/LibLime at that point refused to allow us to use the official Koha logo. Patrick can dig up the history on that if you want. 13:32 jwagner slef, I think there are legitimate arguments to be made on both sides. I also think it's a pity that the environment has gotten so poisonous that anything we do is viewed as suspicious and an attack. 13:32 irma jwagner Do you like PTFS's KOHA logo? 13:30 munin New commit(s) kohagit: Fix for Bug 2377 - Review tags: format date according to system preference <http://git.koha-community.org/gitweb/?p=koha.git;a=commitdiff;h=e76bb63ae4f3acd5bd69ca80fb16874c3876023a> 13:30 munin 04Bug http://bugs.koha-community.org/bugzilla3/show_bug.cgi?id=3881 blocker, P5, ---, paul.poulain, NEW, No Page for Opac Privacy 13:30 owen Bug 3881? 13:30 slef jwagner: does that mean you consider things like reopening koha project organisation after others had agreed, TM applications and domain registrations cannot be seen as disruptive attacks by some? 13:29 jwagner Do I understand from the meeting log that the last blockers for 3.2 have been fixed? Does this activity mean that 3.2 is finally getting finished? 13:28 kf fun to watch :) 13:28 kf gmcharlt is pushing patches like crazy 13:28 briceSanc sekjal, thks :) 13:27 briceSanc ok 13:27 sekjal briceSanc: if you git pull now, you'll probably need to do it again at the end of the day, too 13:27 jwagner And I again note that _we_ are not attacking the community, in my opinion. The community has been attacking us. 13:26 jwagner slef, Patrick Jones will be attending KohaCon -- feel free to discuss it with him there. 13:26 briceSanc jcamins, good morning ! 13:26 briceSanc Should I wait for update my git ? 13:26 jcamins Good morning, #koha 13:26 jcamins_a gmcharlt++ # wow! 13:25 slef jwagner: I'm sorry that you feel that way. No company serves its clients well by attacking the wider community, but serving its clients is not PTFS's primary goal. As I understand US law (Dodge v Ford and so on), serving its stockholders must be PTFS's primary goal. Sometimes that may coincide with serving its clients well, but not always. Maybe we should discuss this elsewhere? 13:25 owen Thank you jwagner 13:24 kf hi irma ) 13:24 jwagner owen, your quote has been removed from the site. FYI, because the old site was done in Plone and was totally unusable (as many noted when LL first went to it), we have been working to transfer the site into a different environment. We are aware that there is some old content and will be cleaning that up, now that the overall site is editable. 13:24 irma hi all 13:23 briceSanc it's great to see activities on Koha git :) 13:23 owen Hi briceSanc 13:23 briceSanc hello all 13:20 munin New commit(s) kohagit: Merge branch 'test_cases' of /home/koha/koha1/dev into to-push <http://git.koha-community.org/gitweb/?p=koha.git;a=commitdiff;h=5aced408c6a50779cee55a552a476153b6054bc8> / fix typo in INSTALL.debian <http://git.koha-community.org/gitweb/?p=koha.git;a=commitdiff;h=84e306cb9555284e6f8c9500da6588586fe1e047> / use Test::More for t/Koha.t <http://git.koha-community.org/gitweb/?p=koha.git;a=commitdiff;h=93b882cdde1b499650fb6aefdcd 13:18 nengard thanks, she doesn't seem to mind as much as I do :) hehe 13:18 ivanc nengard I'm sorry for your puppy 13:17 nengard i think that was a year ago - so at least it was gone for a while 13:17 nengard it was last time - just a cist they had to drain 13:16 gmcharlt nengard: sorry to hear that, hope it turns out to be minor 13:16 nengard ick! totally un related to anything here - my pup (coda) just came for some pets and she has a new growth on her neck - ick! -- and time to call the vet 13:14 reva I know, but you see we had tried to use synaptics and it would not let us boot into the shell again. It goes through the boot and accepts password, but stops with a blank blue screen. So have to reinstall (after trying many ways to get in) 13:14 munin gmcharlt: The operation succeeded. 13:14 gmcharlt @later tell chris I've installed libbusiness-isbn-perl on bugs to fix the false test failures 13:13 slef ta 13:12 gmcharlt I've fixed the typo 13:11 reva thanks sief. ok I will, without. Got it about the \ instead of /:) 13:11 slef and reinstalling is a drastic way to deal with a freeze 13:11 slef and note they are \\ not / 13:11 slef or you can put the whole command on one line with out \s 13:10 slef although I think they should be single \s 13:10 slef reva: yes 13:10 slef reva: looking 13:09 reva hi good morning all. I am reinstalling my debian as it froze on me; Have a question: do i include the two for // at the end of commands given in 1.6 of this page http://git.koha-community.org/gitweb/?p=koha.git;a=blob_plain;f=INSTALL.debian ? Thanks for any help. 13:00 munin New commit(s) kohagit: Fix for Bug 5100, Incorrect link to System Preferences <http://git.koha-community.org/gitweb/?p=koha.git;a=commitdiff;h=7405d5ede90e98d0baf5060276788a5fd7925153> 12:51 munin 04Bug http://bugs.koha-community.org/bugzilla3/show_bug.cgi?id=4385 enhancement, P5, ---, oleonard, NEW, With XSLT on, results list doesn't show both hardcopy and URL availability 12:51 kf yay!- bug 4385 12:50 munin New commit(s) kohagit: Fix for Bug 5156 - JavaScript error when adding list <http://git.koha-community.org/gitweb/?p=koha.git;a=commitdiff;h=e18749f85588dace5b15ed23d994cfebe739eb12> / fixes bug 4385 <http://git.koha-community.org/gitweb/?p=koha.git;a=commitdiff;h=73f9c79e4f81d62aae7b67172a954c05bdab8778> 12:46 jwagner owen, we inherited the contract that governs LEK and are bound by it. When that contract is completed, the LEK features will be released. 12:46 magnus i'll shut up now and get on with my work 12:46 owen it's a shame LEK still isn't finished. 12:46 jwagner I personally am up to over 30 patches of my own work, independent of the development projects, all of which have been submitted. 12:46 magnus jwagner: well, that is a disappointment 12:45 jwagner We have also undertaken some massive development projects, and have submitted features to the community when they are finished. 12:44 jwagner and that is our primary goal. 12:44 jwagner magnus, I appreciate your comment, but I think you and slef and others are somewhat misunderstanding my position. You seem to assume that I disagree with everything my company does but am powerless to say so. In fact, while I have disagreed with some decisions (and argued my point internally), I am fully supportive of my company's work. I think we are doing a good job supporting our clients, 12:43 paul_p jwagner, i'll probably write a blog entry about that today. Just trying not to react too quickly (it's sometimes a bad idea to react too quickly) 12:42 owen jwagner: The new "KOHA" logo perhaps? 12:42 jwagner Would you please email me with what you think is disrespectful about our corporate web site? 12:42 magnus jwagner: i for one think of you and druthb as valuable parts of the community, and i hope you are both able to *not* take criticism of your employer personally. on the other hand, i do hope you understand the frustration of the community when your employer does things like acquire variants of the koha-community.org domain without pointing them to the community site, even if you are not able to say so in public 12:41 paul_p bue nevermind, I repeat, as other says : you (jwagner) are not counted as responsible for your company. 12:40 paul_p 2 weeks ago, your boss wrote something on the mailing lists, that has been really positively welcomed. But the new www.liblime.com website just result in a question : "why should we trust what he promised, when what he do is so irrespectfull for the community..." 12:40 munin New commit(s) kohagit: Bug 5264 (Retain additional bibliographic subfields when merging authorities) [for... <http://git.koha-community.org/gitweb/?p=koha.git;a=commitdiff;h=e9c0a11d41f107425d7f53dcc09e57e3e00ee608> / Fixing non placeholder sql in UpdateGuarantees <http://git.koha-community.org/gitweb/?p=koha.git;a=commitdiff;h=23a210ade22410eb59ea3ec72dcf10a76134c0bd> 12:37 jwagner paul_p, I'm not understanding 12:37 paul_p s/complete/say everything/ (frenchism detected :D) 12:36 paul_p just to be complete : jwagner my main disappointment was to see that 2 weeks after writing "we want a foundation, we have some propositions", there is a so "bad" thing (at the very bare minimum, something totally irrespectuous) fact 12:34 kf owen: I was happy to see your serial / enumchron patch :) 12:33 * owen sheds a happy tear to see that some of his long-neglected patches are getting pushed 12:33 * kf goes to ask google translate ;) 12:33 paul_p kf, tout à fait ! 12:33 kf not getting distracted (that's what paul_p said earlier) 12:32 kf I think I agree most with paul_p - let us keep working on koha, stay open for everybody to contribute and make the best product out of koha 12:31 slef I'm ill-suited to be a manager, but equally don't want to be powerless over company direction. 12:30 slef kf: I think our difference in points of view is why I keep working for co-ops, rather than agreeing to be a private company employee when they ask. 12:30 munin New commit(s) kohagit: Bug 5089: Add German translation of borrowerRelationship and BorrowersTitles values <http://git.koha-community.org/gitweb/?p=koha.git;a=commitdiff;h=75914558bfe73383968e0eb0ac663ba9c7ad40e2> / Fix for Bug 5093 - JavaScript error in IE8 when choosing authority record <http://git.koha-community.org/gitweb/?p=koha.git;a=commitdiff;h=399e22e87f1ef6cc29cf335c2e6628fb544ac6be> / Bug 5092: No results when searching by LC Call Numbe 12:29 slef bbi45 12:29 slef lunchtime here, too 12:29 nengard anyway - off to get food 12:29 nengard oops - not what i meant to do :) hehe 12:29 * nengard nengard_breakfast 12:27 slef kf: it's not easy, but corporations only exist through actions by their workers and owners. 12:26 kf slef: sorry, I don't agree it is as easy as this. 12:26 nengard also - just like you're not the one we're talking about at ptfs - i wasn't part of the decision making process at LL and wasn't part of that decision 12:26 slef jwagner: no, we were neutral, but before we really decided, we had a nice threat from PTFS. That does pretty much polarise. 12:25 chris_n and my appraisal of them will change accordingly 12:25 nengard jwagner and if you remember as soon as i was told i couldn't be a member of the community i quit .... 12:25 slef kf: not completely, sorry, if the workers do not wish to be seen as supporting the company, they should not work for it. 12:25 chris_n PTFS is welcome to change the facts 12:24 chris_n if this offends, I'm sorry, but do not have plans to change my appraisal of the facts as they stand 12:24 jwagner nengard, perhaps you don't remember that when you were with Liblime your organization did its best to block us from any community participation. The community was hostile to us from the beginning. 12:24 chris_n jwagner: I do see contributions of two of PTFS's developers and am grateful, but cannot overlook the rather hostile overtones of other PTFS actions toward the community 12:23 kf but perhaps we can still try not to treat some people as responsible for all their company does and decides? the people that stay around #koha and send patches to make it worse 12:23 chris_n jwagner: I must say that ptfs grab of koha-community.* domains does not constitute "good will" imho 12:23 nengard yeah :( we were all so positive about the change over when it happened 12:23 slef I'm tempted to say that what we need is someone with big money to go and buy liblime. But that already happened and doesn't seem to have helped. 12:22 nengard agreed! 12:22 nengard it's the whole actions speak louder than words thing ... it's what slef and owen are saying and so much more 12:22 slef PTFS would probably be much more agreeable if led by jwagner. 12:21 nengard jwagner, i think the point that is that I only see 2 ptfs people sending patches http://git.koha-community.org/gitweb/?p=koha.git&a=search&h=HEAD&st=author&s=ptfs.com and we appreciate those people, but participating in a community is about so much more than sending a few patches - it's about acting like a member of the community and that's what people keep getting upset about 12:20 slef nengard: ta. Reading. 12:20 slef jwagner: the unretracted legal threat means I mostly ignore you and your colleagues. I try not to be negative about PTFS beyond that, but statements by John Yokley and co do not make it easy to keep my neutrality. 12:20 munin New commit(s) kohagit: Fix for Bug 2947, value_builder scripts using authnotrequired <http://git.koha-community.org/gitweb/?p=koha.git;a=commitdiff;h=57b171a3f5903888a0003dda5f1f7e62ce88460d> 12:19 owen jwagner: You can start by withdrawing the NZ trademark application 12:19 nengard slef: http://library-matters.blogspot.com/2010/10/school-yard-bullying-is-alive-and-well.html 12:18 jwagner My question now is, do you want us to keep trying to participate? The constant negativity here and elsewhere makes it really hard for me to feel welcome or wanted. 12:18 slef nengard: no... I've barely been reading lists, definitely few blogs. What post? 12:17 jwagner And we have been trying our best to participate. People don't seem to pay any attention. 12:17 jwagner We HAVE passed back bug fixes and enhancements, somewhere around 100 patches if my count is accurate. We do support open source. 12:17 owen jwagner: You're certainly right about the revisionist history 12:17 chris_n heya paul_p 12:16 jwagner owen, there's a lot of revisionist history going on right now, and I'm pretty tired of it. Your comment and Joann Ransom's quote "They took the ball, the code, and played with it a while cutting out the orginal players by not pasing it back in the way of bug-fixes and enhancements." in particular. 12:16 nengard slef did you read jo's blog post? that's what i pictured when you mentioned watching the ball :0 12:16 paul_p 'morning owen & other US ppl I haven't seen before 12:16 * paul_p feels we should just take note of what happends & continue our job. too much distracting. Now, I even think it's a kind of strategy. 12:15 slef After all, if the co-op is good at what it does, most of the other players are irrelevant. 12:14 chris_n s/redirection/rewrite/ 12:14 slef I tend to watch the ball more than other players. 12:14 * chris_n noted the redirection problems last evening 12:14 slef owen: no. I've been working too much :-/ 12:13 owen Haven't you heard slef? Liblime isn't an open source company anymore. 12:13 slef anyone else seeing all the menu links on that page go to prelaunch.agencyofrecord.com? 12:12 slef liblime.com runs in ASP? Yikes 12:12 owen Thank you. 12:11 jwagner owen, please email and I'll forward it. 12:11 owen and it was given about a product which Liblime no longer supports 12:11 owen The company for whom that quote was given no longer exists 12:11 owen Please have my quote removed from this page: http://www.liblime.com/main.asp?page=1274 12:10 jwagner Yes 12:10 owen jwagner here? 12:10 * owen was getting kids out of bed, getting them breakfast, etc. 12:10 munin New commit(s) kohagit: Bug 3630 Impossible to perform Scan Indexes search <http://git.koha-community.org/gitweb/?p=koha.git;a=commitdiff;h=91206d185c93d42a2bc741454d0f8e3aa17492fa> / Avoid to add a warning in log <http://git.koha-community.org/gitweb/?p=koha.git;a=commitdiff;h=3baefb7f242b97bbc773a042a856d8e9ba84c888> / Fix for Bug 4849 - Cannot delete records from Labeled MARC view <http://git.koha-community.org/gitweb/?p=koha.git;a=commitdiff;h= 12:10 chris_n but the sleep was good ;-) 12:10 * chris_n too 12:09 owen Hi all, sorry to have missed the meeting 12:00 munin New commit(s) kohagit: Fix for Bug 4922 - Item display tries to show serial info for titles with series... <http://git.koha-community.org/gitweb/?p=koha.git;a=commitdiff;h=f8cec7ba133ee4dc8a8a847ae0af64d5b862b47d> / Update VOKAL icon set <http://git.koha-community.org/gitweb/?p=koha.git;a=commitdiff;h=1b9e92261d3594b53964e9f615eb7779aea2da3b> / Bug 5217 : package/CPAN updates for Ubuntu Lucid install <http://git.koha-community.org/gitweb/?p=koha.g 11:53 kf I am so excited watching it 11:53 kf me too 11:53 magnus oooh, gotta love all those commits 11:51 * kf hands munin a cookie 11:50 munin New commit(s) kohagit: Bug 5032 Remove duplicate code <http://git.koha-community.org/gitweb/?p=koha.git;a=commitdiff;h=48a10d3183161c131e29bcf9ff5b6ac281babe26> / Bug 5047 html option not in -help output <http://git.koha-community.org/gitweb/?p=koha.git;a=commitdiff;h=a5bdd61c737f34973b6b1387d54ccb15d7b57792> / Bug 5160 Stop words should be stop words not strings <http://git.koha-community.org/gitweb/?p=koha.git;a=commitdiff;h=1519497ea74339277b08 11:40 munin New commit(s) kohagit: bug 5086: fix setting claim date <http://git.koha-community.org/gitweb/?p=koha.git;a=commitdiff;h=27bb768cadc6107d4004c723be2dfd7a5f07779b> 11:35 nengard reading through new commits and love that chris_n put a documentation note in there for me :) now i know what to update in the manual :) 11:34 kf good night chris :) 11:33 chris have good days all 11:33 chris ok, sleep time for me 11:29 kf I did some manual manipulation on my records, want to sent you a clean sample 11:28 kf no problem 11:27 Colin Thanks 11:27 kf I can email you the file 11:27 kf Colin: ok, give me some time to export the data, will try to do it later 11:26 Colin kf: a sample would be helpful 11:26 kf Colin: we have a lot of $w links and relationships in our data 11:26 Colin Yes. I've seen the rfc I think we may get sponsered to do some related work 11:25 chris or upgrade to squeeze (id pick the former) 11:25 kf Colin: I can provide you with an example of our marc21 data to show you how it works 11:25 nengard oh, yes, sorry i wasn't clearer 11:25 chris you can safely ignore that 11:25 chris on the about page nengard ? 11:25 kf and it still needs some work, it's not showing 733 $h at the moment 11:25 kf but I am quite new to the public repo thing - hope I did everything right 11:25 nengard so i just installed it and now koha says it needs an upgrade .... kind of like Graphics::Magick 11:24 kf my work is here: http://github.com/kfischer/Koha/tree/bug_4506_xslt 11:24 kf Colin: but I have still not read the rfc :( 11:24 chris Colin: have you seen the rfc? 11:24 kf I did some work on that 11:23 munin 04Bug http://bugs.koha-community.org/bugzilla3/show_bug.cgi?id=4506 enhancement, P5, ---, katrin.fischer, NEW, Add support of record linking by record control number in $w 11:23 kf Colin: bug 4506 11:23 chris but no, if you are running out of git and just rebase like that .. no easy way 11:23 kf Business::ISBN 11:23 kf new CPAN depency: 11:23 kf Warning! On some devel installations, you will have to install by hand a 11:23 Colin kf: are you doing anything with analytics? 11:23 chris the installer checks 11:23 kf there was a hint in the commit message of frederic's patch 11:23 nengard hmmm - isn't there a more graceful way to let people know that they're missing something for Koha to run? 11:22 * kf thinks #koha is such a great place to be 11:22 ivanc tnks chris Colin kf 11:22 kf :) 11:22 Colin Business::ISBN 11:22 chris apt-get install libbusiness-isbn-perl 11:22 nengard chris - any error is ugly :) 11:22 kf you need to install another module 11:22 chris you are just missing a module 11:22 chris oh thats not an ugly error 11:22 kf nengard: I think I have an idea 11:21 nengard anyone else see this? 11:21 pastebot "nengard" at 98.114.20.104 pasted "error after rebase" (20 lines) at http://paste.koha-community.org/73 11:21 kf there are a lot of koha school libraries - but German is a problem 11:21 chris they are interesting cos everything they use is floss 11:21 chris http://theopensourceschool.blogspot.com/ 11:20 nengard um ... i did a rebase and now i have an ugly error 11:20 Colin ivanc we support a school library in the uk running koha 11:20 chris use koha 11:20 chris http://ashs.school.nz/ 11:20 ivanc better if the librarian is a german 11:19 chris easy peasy 11:19 chris oh 11:18 ivanc I'need a librarian who uses Koha, no limit :) 11:17 chris ivanc: how big does the school need to be? 11:17 ivanc kf yes I dont have a lot more possiblity 11:16 kf but they are not school libraries of course :( 11:15 kf ivanc: you could try and contact him or one of our libraries directly 11:15 chris magnus: thanks for updating the minutes 11:14 ivanc kf no :( 11:13 kmkale thanks slef chris ivanc 11:13 kmkale nullmailer remotes 11:13 kmkale yup "smarthost.dom smtp --port=2525 --user=user --pass=pass" 11:12 kf ivanc: you got no response from the library in stuttgart? 11:11 kmkale googling up on nullmailer auth 11:10 slef ok np 11:10 ivanc yes right, with postfix 11:10 munin New commit(s) kohagit: Fix for Bug 5101, Creators tab isn't highlighted when selected <http://git.koha-community.org/gitweb/?p=koha.git;a=commitdiff;h=40d999582271629624d2b2a78b7e1abb8eb3ff95> / Merge remote branch 'koha-fbc/k_bug_5215' into master <http://git.koha-community.org/gitweb/?p=koha.git;a=commitdiff;h=e1952c8ad737b8dd731f1c3995967e5ecc315d19> / Merge remote branch 'koha-fbc/k_bug_5247' into to-push <http://git.koha-community.org/gitweb/ 11:09 slef I'm not sure how secure (TLS? C-R login?), mind. 11:09 slef nullmailer can do smtp auth http://untroubled.org/nullmailer/NEWS 11:08 kmkale I have used dovecot as IMAP server many times. But not for smtp 11:08 slef I only use it for IMAP 11:08 slef does dovecot do smtp? 11:08 kmkale cool. Exim4 11:08 ivanc dovecot is realy simple 11:08 slef yeah, unless you've changed it, sorry 11:07 chris so you wont even have to tell it 11:07 chris it will use localhost by default 11:07 kmkale slef: tell Koha to use localhost.. Where? 11:07 slef exim4 could probably control space flight with the right configuration 11:07 chris yup 11:07 kmkale chris exim4 can do auth and handover? 11:07 chris yeah 11:06 slef I think install something that can do SMTP AUTH (exim4, postfix, or something lighter if you can find one) and tell Koha to use localhost. 11:06 kmkale cause this place does not have a static IP so I cant set up relaying reliably 11:06 slef Yes, reliable SMTP handling is hard. 11:05 chris exim4 can easily, and send all its mail to a smarthost 11:05 kmkale iii? that big? 11:05 slef ok, so it would be a biiig hack to Mail::Sendmail 11:05 kmkale aahh 11:05 nengard but I get to sit with hubby and sekjal so they can keep me calm 11:05 slef 11:05 slef No suport for the SMTP AUTH extension. 11:05 slef LIMITATIONS 11:04 nengard ah yes! I'm a bit nervous about that part too 11:04 slef nengard: it has a smiley. I just hate planes. 11:04 kmkale chris nullmailer does not do authentication does it? 11:04 chris or yeah, hack Mail::Sendmail 11:04 nengard that doesn't sound positive 11:04 chris slef: i was gonna suggest nullmailer, to handle the handing it off 11:03 slef nengard: aaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaargh :) 11:03 nengard Today is 14 days for me :) 11:03 nengard hiya slef - are you counting down?? 11:03 slef hi nengard 11:03 nengard i'm off to read the logs 11:03 slef Anyone else irritated the Mail::Sendmail module doesn't use /usr/lib/sendmail? 11:03 nengard sorry i missed the meeting ... was a bit too early to get my eyes to open :) 11:02 slef kmkale: I guess either 1. use mailserver on local system and configure that to authenticate; 2. hack the fraudulently-named Mail::Sendmail settings on the Koha system. 11:02 kmkale hi kf 11:02 chris well, koha uses the Mail::Sendmail module 11:01 kmkale a hint chris? 11:01 chris yep kmkale 11:01 kf hi kmkale and nengard 11:01 kmkale hi chris 11:00 kmkale Is there a way I can configure Koha to use a mail server which requires authentication for outgoing mails? 11:00 nengard morning all 11:00 chris hi kmkale and nengard 11:00 munin New commit(s) kohagit: bug_5245 Fix SQL syntax in GetItems <http://git.koha-community.org/gitweb/?p=koha.git;a=commitdiff;h=c19a56f9cd149bb6b1e587954edbdc3db969bdcf> / Merge remote branch 'koha-fbc/k_bug_5203' into master <http://git.koha-community.org/gitweb/?p=koha.git;a=commitdiff;h=1705820ed4eed06b2c2a02ff04b92a0630355384> / Fixes bug 5231: bad call to GetAuthType in BiblioAddAuthorities() <http://git.koha-community.org/gitweb/?p=koha.git;a=co 10:59 ivanc slef yes since 2006 10:58 kmkale hi all 10:58 * slef does a little dance 10:58 slef I take it back. It seems ethicalsoftware.it is another co-op. Yippee! 10:56 adegroff i must go begin my day - it was nice to meet many of you this morning. 10:52 kf gmcharlt++ 10:50 chris_n gmcharlt++ 10:50 munin New commit(s) kohagit: Missed adding the beta release <http://git.koha-community.org/gitweb/?p=koha.git;a=commitdiff;h=b27cf9b55a5a4270d37072b93c9e912e27323b09> / Updating history doc <http://git.koha-community.org/gitweb/?p=koha.git;a=commitdiff;h=efa47d99e651cca96ab39119f274881e34931639> / Bug 5090: New order from empty record does not save publication year and ISBN <http://git.koha-community.org/gitweb/?p=koha.git;a=commitdiff;h=53a11dbea95bb82 10:43 adegroff i am sorry I am not following 10:42 wasabi congrats on your KOHA rebranding amy 10:40 adegroff thank you all for your time 10:40 magnus thanks all - good meeting 10:40 hdl thanks 10:40 kf thanks gmcharlt 10:39 Amit thanks galen 10:39 slef thanks gmcharlt 10:39 wasabi thanx again galen 10:39 gmcharlt meeting adjourned 10:39 slef e90, symbian and putty FTW! 10:38 gmcharlt thanks all 10:38 gmcharlt ok - 19:00 UTC+0 on 10 November it is 10:38 slef yep 10:38 thd slef: Will that be cell phone IRC? 10:38 thd :) 10:37 slef (I should be travelling in a good signal area and I can't do much else at that time) 10:37 thd +1 10 Nov. 10:37 chris +1 10:37 slef actually, hell, 10 Nov is fine 10:36 slef Nov 10 is OK... +/-1 day would be better 10:36 gmcharlt ok - trying this - 19:00 UTC+0 on 10 November 2010 10:36 hdl ok 10:36 kf 10+ 10:36 chris works for me 10:36 slef I'm travelling back too. 10:36 kf coming back an 2nd - perhaps we can make the next meeting a bit later? 10:36 gmcharlt chris: November 10, then? 10:36 thd maybe the week after 10:36 chris hmm you might be actually .. maybe the week after instead? 10:35 thd A yes gmcharlt 10:35 hdl Maybe I could be on plane... 10:35 slef chris: nah, need to get home to recover before other trips in November, sorry 10:35 hdl chris++ 10:34 chris nov 5 is of course guy fawkes, you'll still be here for that? 10:34 gmcharlt slef: do we need to put out an APB to find you? :) 10:34 chris we are +13 at the mo 10:34 thd +1 10:34 slef where am I then... checking :) 10:34 chris in nz time 10:34 chris november 4 10:34 chris 8am 10:33 slef A grue is a fictional predator, first from the Zork series of interactive fiction games by Infocom, and subsequently in other Infocom games. The word grue was first used in modern times as a fictional predator from Jack Vance's Dying Earth universe (described as being part "ocular bat", part "uncanny hoon" and part man). Vance probably took the name from an archaic/dialectal... http://a.vu/w:Grue_(monster) 10:33 hdl quite early in NZ 10:32 slef gmcharlt/chris: what's that in NZ? 10:32 jransom wats a grue? 10:32 chris and you can click on them to find out more 10:32 gmcharlt 19:00 UTC+0 on November 3? 10:32 kf good night jo 10:32 chris if they are named it will tell ya 10:32 slef jransom has been eaten by a grue 10:32 gmcharlt ok, time to set the next meeting date 10:32 chris http://bugs.koha-community.org:8080/job/Koha/29/testReport/ 10:32 jransom goodnight folks - fallen asleep 10:32 slef chris: oic. Ta. 10:31 jransom chris++ 10:31 gmcharlt i.e,. to get the name of test cases that fail? 10:31 jransom this is pretty cool 10:31 chris if you click on the graph 10:31 chris slef: http://bugs.koha-community.org:8080/job/Koha/ 10:31 gmcharlt chris: although, a question - is it possible to have hudson turn up verbosity on the test results? 10:31 gmcharlt chris++ 10:31 wasabi ... and the IRC chanserv stuff too 10:31 slef where's the link to http://bugs.koha-community.org:8080/job/Koha/30/testReport/ found? 10:30 wasabi cheers for setting this up c hris! 10:30 hdl ok. 10:30 chris or both at the same time :) 10:30 chris so lets try and get it passing everything and then increase that coverage 10:29 chris (well every 15 mins if something has changed) 10:29 chris but yeah, it just sits there and runs the tests everytime things change 10:29 chris we want more blue, less red http://bugs.koha-community.org:8080/job/Koha/30/testReport/ 10:28 munin New commit(s) kohagit: Merge branch 'translation' of git://git.workbuffer.org/git/koha into master <http://git.koha-community.org/gitweb/?p=koha.git;a=commitdiff;h=bd8a04e30845344e602ed98f0d277a0239b2a999> / Fix for syntax error in the spanish opac file <http://git.koha-community.org/gitweb/?p=koha.git;a=commitdiff;h=a26440bafa584e6b9d1c5674a2b8b973c8f7d69d> / Language updates <http://git.koha-community.org/gitweb/?p=koha.git;a=commitdiff;h=34165a 10:28 gmcharlt chris++ 10:28 chris you can see we can improve our coverage a lot 10:28 hdl yes. 10:28 chris yep 10:28 gmcharlt and this is where I make a plug for people to write more test cases, to make hudson even more useful 10:27 hdl 39 tests failed already, and weather shines. 10:27 chris http://bugs.koha-community.org:8080/job/Koha/32/HTML_Report/? 10:27 chris the build that just ran 10:27 chris http://bugs.koha-community.org:8080/job/Koha/lastBuild/ 10:27 chris it also runs a coverage test as well 10:26 chris soon im gonna make it complain at the people who committed the code tha makes it fail 10:26 chris and complain about the ones that fail 10:26 chris so is doing a new build then is going to run all the unit tests 10:26 chris its just noticed that galen has been pushing things 10:26 slef Also I'm still massively behind with koha list mails I need to send. :-/ 10:26 chris http://bugs.koha-community.org:8080/ 10:25 gmcharlt ah, yes - please say more about hudson 10:25 slef Does the Koha holdings data fields item need to come back? 10:25 chris oh i forgot to mention hudson 10:25 ivanc we will happy to add these features to the distribution, but the school bust confirm the task 10:25 chris coolio 10:24 gmcharlt chris: I've pushed the translation updates 10:24 gmcharlt any follow-up items from the September meeting? 10:24 gmcharlt jransom++ 10:23 jransom nothing else useful to add 10:23 chris theres gonna be music in at least 2 presentations too 10:23 jransom ok - I'm done. 10:22 ivanc kf helped me, but now, I realy need a librarian ( with witness ) that use koha 10:22 jransom kapahaka performances 10:22 wasabi oooh, ive heard about that place! 10:22 jransom yes 10:22 jransom at the marae 10:22 hdl will there be music ? 10:22 jransom local levin businesses delighted to spo nsor 10:22 jransom sponsorship has been phenomenal 10:21 chris are sponsoring us some drinks for the first night 10:21 jransom the pub :) 10:21 chris oh another plug for the conference www.thelibrary.co.nz 10:21 jransom just don't do it now you know 10:21 slef gmcharlt: maybe it's only sales workers... 10:21 jransom but biffing a bread roll across the table to yor wife for instance 10:21 gmcharlt slef: they do that in Florida? news to me! :) 10:21 chris gmcharlt: translation branch is ready to pull 10:21 ivanc we have some problem first koha is not fully qualified for this purpose and second in italy is not widely used 10:21 jransom i'd never do it either 10:20 slef not that we'd throw food... but that did surprise me in Florida, that people did that 10:20 jransom we'll look after youmate 10:20 jransom and its not arduous 10:20 slef yeah, it all seems common-sense, but it's still a little scary 10:19 jransom better you know than inadvertently offend someone 10:19 slef chris: we don't want to start an international cultural incident... 10:19 kf not throwing foods 10:19 jransom the no sitting on ntables thing etc? 10:19 slef chris: yeah 10:19 chris slef: for the levin trip? 10:19 ivanc wasabi++ 10:18 slef The do's/don'ts postings, while seemingly common sense to us English, are a bit scary and I feel may be chilling signups. 10:18 jransom they don't do the whole powhiri very often at all - and all because of you international Koha folk ") 10:18 munin New commit(s) kohagit: Bug: 4904: Problem with printing fines in overdue notices <http://git.koha-community.org/gitweb/?p=koha.git;a=commitdiff;h=c4601faf13c5e7209e085e177048a2deb088c17c> / Bug 2664: Add item should preselect logged in branch <http://git.koha-community.org/gitweb/?p=koha.git;a=commitdiff;h=c0e773c6e63b9b585764e9477532408c2939ede6> / Fix for Bug 5265, error message on lists is misleading <http://git.koha-community.org/gitweb/?p=koh 10:18 wasabi ivanc++ , we are doing the same in NZ :) 10:18 jransom probably all the councillors and mayor will be joining us at the marae becuase its a bit special 10:17 jransom and the mayoral reception is nice 10:17 chris yeah, its a pretty once in a lifetime thing 10:17 jransom as in ourlocal Maori are really turning it on 10:17 ivanc mi/my 10:17 jransom that is a big BIG deal for us 10:17 ivanc hi mi company develop and promote free software, and together with other local groups we are tying to "convince" the public schools to adopt Koha as ILS 10:17 * magnus hopes lots more joins the trip to Levin - sounds like fun 10:17 wasabi great coffee! 10:16 * kf is registered for both :) 10:16 jransom amazing speakers 10:16 jransom chris: anything lese? 10:16 jransom have 1 place still on the road trip, loads of room on the trip up to Levin on the thursfay night 10:15 jransom and over 50% from overseas 10:15 jransom chris knows betterthan i do but registrations are strong 10:15 jransom the sun is shining and welliongton is justglorious 10:15 gmcharlt (sorry to put you on the spot, but I figure you're always ready to do that :) ) 10:15 jransom i could 10:15 gmcharlt but before we do that, jransom, do you want to make a plug for KohaCon? 10:14 gmcharlt next item on the agenda is Follow-up on actions from General IRC Meeting, 1 September 2010. 10:14 hdl hard work. 10:14 gmcharlt any other question re 3.4? 10:14 chris excellent 10:14 Colin I'll try and review anything that is submitted but not in 3.2 10:12 gmcharlt kf: current patches do not need to be resubmitted 10:12 hdl So that we could trace that. 10:12 kf chris: will you look at the patches that will not make it into 3.2 - or better rebase and resend everything? 10:12 hdl wasabi: we also had some time on a memoryleak Plack module. 10:11 magnus cool 10:11 chris 2nd pass yes, split them into smaller includable (and thus cachable) chunks 10:10 chris hdl: first cut is a straight translation 10:10 wasabi paul_p, hdl , great news on your solr work too! :) 10:09 hdl talking about templates, are you planing to split them into reusable parts ? 10:09 paul_p (i'm reading, although i'm not speaking) 10:08 chris cool 10:08 Colin No I think that's it 10:08 munin New commit(s) kohagit: Bug 5194 - Patron notification on new issues not working <http://git.koha-community.org/gitweb/?p=koha.git;a=commitdiff;h=08fb9eadc3fd0d7fd49d2fffe6734bced75d084e> / Bug 4867 - cannot clone subfields in marc editor, other clone/unclone weirdness <http://git.koha-community.org/gitweb/?p=koha.git;a=commitdiff;h=d8f16da1802357ad5935d0db91a07a2013865249> 10:08 chris Colin: anything ive missed out? 10:07 sirexkat Hi all :) 10:07 chris oh and hi sirexkat :) 10:07 chris over the summer break I also have 2 students working at catalyst who will be doing a bunch of work like the template changes, so we should be able to get things rocking along 10:06 chris and resubmit 10:06 chris this gives people are chance to rebase their patches off master while it is stable 10:06 chris ill be pushing them up as feature/bug branches as they pass, but wont be merging to master just yet 10:06 wasabi cool, great to hear 10:05 chris he is going to start creating qa branches and applying patches, for me to pull from 10:05 chris ok, i think we are good to start work on 3.4, colin and i had a brief email conversation 10:04 chris syntax error in the es opac, will fix and commit then a pull will be good 10:04 gmcharlt chris? 10:04 gmcharlt hearing none .. on to 3.4 10:04 hdl any questions ? 10:04 hdl this or next week 10:03 hdl should be out before kohacon 10:02 hdl still working on the release 10:02 gmcharlt 3.0.x - hdl? 10:02 gmcharlt k, anyway moving 10:00 gmcharlt speaking of translations - fredericd, are you set up to switch to your new pootle? 10:00 kf and french - because of the html entities, but I think this was fixed 09:59 kf ah, I remember having problems with es-ES 09:59 chris will do 09:59 gmcharlt so if you could double-check that es-ES applies, I'd appreciate it 09:59 gmcharlt the main thing that I noticed a while back was a what was effectively a syntax error in the es-ES po that broke it 09:58 chris gimme 10 mins and we will be 09:58 wasabi Colin++ thats my original bug :/ 09:58 jransom well, the big pressure will be off 09:58 chris gmcharlt++ 09:58 gmcharlt chris: how are we doing in translations? about ready for a pull? 09:58 chris yeah, i have jobs for him 09:58 jransom gmcharlt ++ a great big job well done 09:58 gmcharlt jransom: no, it won't :) I'm not going anywhere 09:58 jransom and your work will be done 09:58 munin New commit(s) kohagit: Bug 5191 Patron notification was being reset to none <http://git.koha-community.org/gitweb/?p=koha.git;a=commitdiff;h=dfaa0e9d3599f6ea37e89508b428f4e76e6f7f4c> / Bug 4310 Map orders to new budget structure <http://git.koha-community.org/gitweb/?p=koha.git;a=commitdiff;h=acb672c02797e8dc6d485266ebe8c9de80ed838e> / Bug 5205 Fix compile time warnings in tools/batchMod.pl <http://git.koha-community.org/gitweb/?p=koha.git;a=commi 09:58 hdl gmcharlt++ 09:57 gmcharlt then will hand over the reins with gratitude to chris and chris_n 09:57 gmcharlt I am expected a very short period to go from RC1 to R, as it were 09:57 Amit gmcharlt++ 09:57 kf gmcharlt++ 09:57 magnus yay 09:57 kf Colin++ 09:57 hdl yay 09:57 gmcharlt I'll do a little more tidying today, then this afternoon is the RC1 09:57 jransom yay 09:57 chris w00t 09:57 gmcharlt 3.2 - I've tested and pushed Colin's patch for 4310, the remaining big blocker 09:56 gmcharlt heh - I think that finishes the introduction section, on to the agenda 09:56 jransom :) 09:56 chris :) 09:56 slef I like Koha... 09:56 ivanc chris: the license is great the name is only a name ;) 09:56 jransom he doesn't - you're right! 09:56 slef not when they seem to be chasing my lunch ;-) 09:56 kf lol 09:56 jransom lol 09:56 chris you never like anything :P 09:56 thd :) 09:55 slef I don't like it. Seems like co-op lite ;-) 09:55 jransom (my thoughts too - great name) 09:55 chris ohh EthicalSoftware .. what a great name 09:55 thd Thomas Dukleth, Agogme, New York City - [recovering from a severe cold] 09:54 * chris is Chris Cormack RM 3.4 09:54 * slef = MJ Ray, software.coop 09:53 ivanc ivanc = Ivan Ceradini, EthicalSoftware.it 09:53 * kf = Katrin Fischer, BSZ 09:53 Colin = Colin Campbell PTFS-Europe Ltd 09:53 adegroff Amy De Groff, LibLime, a division of PTFS, USA 09:53 Amit Amit Gupta: Nucsoft Osslabs, Bangalore, India 09:53 magnus Magnus Enger, Libriotech, Norway 09:53 wasabi wasabi: = mason james, kohaaloha, nz 09:53 jransom Joann Ransom, HLT, NZ 09:53 * hdl = Henri-Damien LAURENT, 3.0 Release maintainer 09:52 * gmcharlt = Galen Charlton, 3.2 RM 09:52 gmcharlt first, introductions 09:52 gmcharlt Agree times of next meetings. 09:52 gmcharlt Follow-up on actions from General IRC Meeting, 1 September 2010. 09:52 gmcharlt Update on Roadmap to 3.4. 09:52 gmcharlt Update on Roadmap to 3.0. 09:52 gmcharlt Update on Roadmap to 3.2. 09:52 gmcharlt agenda items are 09:52 hdl hi gmcharlt 09:52 gmcharlt page for the meeting is http://wiki.koha-community.org/wiki/General_IRC_Meeting,_6_October_2010 09:52 gmcharlt meeting starting now 09:52 gmcharlt good morning, it's 10:00 UTC+0 09:52 wasabi i think its close to evil, they've exploited the trust we all have in each other 09:52 thd wasabi: evil requires more careful deliberation than could be possible for some of the foolishness. 09:51 kf sorry, Amit 09:51 kf hi Amiot 09:51 Amit heya kf 09:51 kf am then :) 09:51 hdl 12am here lunch time 09:50 thd wasabi: I say extremely foolish rather than evil. 09:50 kf 12... pm/am? - it's lunch time 09:50 jransom honey its 11pm here so touche 09:50 adegroff well its 6 AM be glad you don't actually SEE me 09:50 jransom you could stay amy, more the merrier 09:49 hdl hi adegroff nice to see you there. 09:49 adegroff oh dear I will likely be in the way then - let me hang around for bit either way 09:48 magnus http://wiki.koha-community.org/wiki/General_IRC_Meeting,_6_October_2010 09:48 adegroff ok thank you 09:48 chris this is just a general development meeting 09:48 chris nope 09:48 adegroff to the proposal we shared 09:48 adegroff where can I find an agenda for today? John asked me to join you in case there were specfici questions related 09:48 kf back 09:48 magnus hiya adegroff 09:48 hdl hi 09:48 jransom hi amy 09:47 adegroff good morning everyone 09:47 wasabi it really *is* an evil conspiracy 09:47 chris hi gmcharlt 09:46 wasabi ... and quit pretending to be coy/unaware of it 09:46 jransom heya galen 09:46 magnus g'day gmcharlt 09:45 gmcharlt good morning 09:45 wasabi i just want someone from PTFS/liblime to confess that the *are* playing an FUD war against the Koha project itself 09:44 chris now that song is stuck in my head 09:40 wasabi i second that emotion, jransom 09:38 jransom feeling a bit raw down this end of the world 09:38 jransom no offence meant in grilling you colin 09:37 jransom ok 09:37 Colin I think its Patrick He's in charge of the library system side of the business (this is all second hand) 09:37 wasabi ptfs are attempting to capitalize 'Koha' to 'KOHA' to suit their US trademark? 09:35 jransom I did invite John Yokley 09:35 jransom Colin: do you know who is coming down? 09:35 wasabi ...its basically based around ptfs/liblime having a US trademark for 'KOHA' 09:33 slef bbi15ish 09:33 slef Who was it wrote recently that any sufficiently advanced conspiracy is indistinguishable from incompetence? 09:33 Colin Hi 09:32 Amit heya cloin 09:32 chris yeah i was feeling better about that, before the new logo, and history rewrite, but im sure we can clear some stuff up in person 09:31 Colin I believe someone is going to kohacon and I hope that might clarify things 09:30 Colin Indeed all conspiraacy theories underestimate cluelessness 09:30 jransom i do wonder if it is all as perplexing for them as it is for us 09:30 chris cluelessness can often look like malice 09:29 chris just cluelessness? 09:29 Colin To be honest I dont know what to think. I don't think its an evil conspiracy tho 09:29 jransom its quite difficult situation aye 09:28 wasabi nor was i, i ask a genuine question to Colin 09:28 jransom sins of the father and all that 09:27 Colin kf++ 09:27 jransom I wasn't being mean 09:27 kf yeah, be nice to Colin! 09:27 chris Colin: who is gonna win this points race? 09:27 kf ok, I am afk now - Colin++ for great work on serial problems :) 09:27 chris heh, is it grill colin hour? 09:26 wasabi Colin: what do you think about ptfs/liblime's recent KOHA rebranded attempt? 09:25 jransom i just like to know who i'm talking to :) 09:25 jransom glad i asked 09:25 jransom very good. 09:24 Colin We're a different company but we market archivalware in Europe. PTFS have a share in us 09:24 jransom coz you seem very open and approachable 09:23 jransom are you the same company or different? 09:23 jransom so can i ask what the relationship is between PTFS USA and you? 09:23 jransom thats great 09:22 Colin Yes our sites are on koha 09:22 jransom or as well as? 09:21 munin 04Bug http://bugs.koha-community.org/bugzilla3/show_bug.cgi?id=5086 normal, PATCH-Sent, ---, colin.campbell, ASSIGNED, claim date broken in serials 09:21 kf like bug 5086 09:21 jransom but you guys are working on koha rather than lek or harley 09:21 kf I think some of your patches are not pushed to head yet, so perhaps some of thep roblems are already solved 09:21 jransom cool. I wasn't sure trhe relationship between ptfs usa and eu 09:20 kf Colin: our test installation is on current head and I will try to track some problems down and file bug reports 09:20 Colin yes 09:20 jransom Colin: are you working on 3.2? 09:19 Colin OK if you dont file bug reports. I'll be going through some of the date handling for serials in relation to an existing bug 09:19 kf jransom: :) 09:19 kf the library has access to a test installation now, so I hope we will get some feedback 09:19 jransom at the hackfest :) 09:19 jransom lets fix it at koha con 09:18 kf :( 09:18 kf we use metric dates. I have a lot of notes from training, but not sure I will manage to test and file bug reports before kohacon - only 3 days left for me here 09:16 Colin No its a definite problem I'm looking at what I've done for the UN and trying to extract the sate fixes 09:16 jransom I'm trying valiantly to stay up for this meeting 09:15 kf or am I confusing people again... 09:15 kf we use iso dates and I had some XXX and 00/02/0 (or similar) dates appearing 09:14 kf Colin: we did serials training yesterday - do you know if there are pending patches for date problems? 09:14 jransom nice that there is a good Koha interest there 09:13 Colin UK 09:13 jransom colin: where abouts are you? 09:12 chris it seems that everyone is nice and busy so thats excellent 09:12 kf hi Colin 09:12 chris http://library.hauraki-dc.govt.nz/ 09:12 chris great to hear, we put 3 publics (well one system 3 libraries in it) live last week 09:11 Colin ok busy as well - got a lot of libraries choosing koha at the moment 09:10 chris heh 09:10 jransom no - kids are watching napolean dynamite and since I'm on the PC I don't get to pull rank #democracy sux 09:10 chris Colin: pretty good keeping busy ... just over 2 weeks til kohacon10, hows you ? 09:09 Colin Hi Chris hows things 09:09 chris watching the points race jransom ? 09:09 chris hiya Colin 09:08 jransom no - its a fairly sound thumping 09:08 chris yeah, i made a comment too, it was actually LLEK not even Koha 09:07 magnus not much point in reading the study after reading that blogpost, it seems... 09:06 jransom thanks chris 09:05 kf afk, will be back for the meeting 09:04 jransom dont think so 09:04 chris http://coffeecode.net/archives/234-Responding-to-the-Evergreen-research-article-in-Information-Technology-and-Libraries.html 09:04 chris did you read dan scotts blog post about it? 09:03 jransom anything usefl about what makes a 'good' OPAc 09:03 jransom oh - well i won't worry then :) 09:03 chris yeah i have, its fairly flawed, and wasnt actually comparing koha, eg and voyager 09:03 jransom me neither - would love to read it though 09:03 kf I read the comment, but have no access to the study :( 09:02 jransom needs a proquest subscription 09:02 jransom Has anyone read the comparitive study referenced here: http://mmitblog.wordpress.com/2010/10/05/a-closer-look-at-opacs-koha-evergreen-and-voyager-compared/ 08:49 chris that was a good race (the keiran final at the commonwealth games) 08:42 chris yup :) 08:41 ianB Chris: yes, wanting to make sure chatzilla was still working after all the Firefox upgrades... never know when you might need it. 08:39 chris indeed 08:39 kf in 1 hour 13 minutes? 08:38 kf ah a meeting 08:30 chris excellent ill have to check it out 08:30 magnus chris: reminds me of http://www.imdb.com/title/tt0276189/ - their repertoir is more traditional, but they are a bunch of great characters... 08:27 chris ianB: ian bays im guessing? here for the meeting later on? 08:21 ivanc ok you've conviced me :) 08:18 chris yeah it was a great movie, you come out feeling very good about life 08:17 ivanc chris: I just watched the trailer, looks funny, at least the music is not bad 08:16 * magnus gotta run out for a bit 08:15 chris magnus: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=-3uOOhm8Fj8 08:15 ianB Hi Chris. 08:15 chris hi ianB 08:14 chris http://www.imdb.com/title/tt1047007/ 08:14 chris its a great movie 08:14 chris if you get the chance, you should watch it 08:10 magnus don't think so 08:07 chris have you seen the movie young at heart? 08:07 magnus "old at heart"? ;-) 08:05 kf :) 08:04 jransom :) 08:04 jransom oh ... well it can't be coz you are 'old' then 08:04 kf 27 still 08:04 kf nope 08:04 jransom are you over 30? 08:04 kf no, it sounds a bit like me 08:03 jransom its because I'm old apparently 08:03 jransom i do tend to over think things until i understand them thoroughly - then i'm sorted 08:03 jransom oh - thats alright then 08:00 kf because you showed me it works ;) 08:00 kf no 08:00 jransom lol 08:00 jransom because i spead so much angst around when trying to understand acqusitions? 07:59 jransom thats nice 07:59 chris hehe 07:58 kf jransom: can't wait to meet you too :) I was thinking a lot about you on monday when we did our first acq training 07:58 kf but cait will be here I think, she can't stay away from #koha 07:58 kf :) 07:57 magnus ah, sounds good! 07:57 kf visiting 07:57 magnus (+ 4 weekend days that will probably be some work too...) 07:57 kf vistiting my parents 07:57 kf 1 week vacation and for shopping :) 07:57 magnus kf: i have 8 days of work left?!? 07:56 magnus it is! 07:55 jransom oh me too. its is going to be great 07:55 chris http://metservice.com/towns-cities/wellington 07:55 hdl can't wait to meet you jransom ;) 07:54 jransom yep 07:54 hdl so layers... layers. 07:54 chris thats the key to wellington 07:54 chris layers 07:54 jransom and still chilly evenings 07:53 jransom it could still turn but I'd be packing sun block and sun glasses too 07:52 jransom my boys have been on the beach for 2 days and are very sun burnt 07:51 hdl thanks for the tip jransom 07:51 * hdl too 07:51 chris :) 07:50 * kf really excited 07:50 kf before kohacon 07:49 kf jransom: only 3 more days at work for me :) 07:48 chris was a nice day today 07:48 munin kf: The current temperature in Wellington, New Zealand is 12.0�C (8:00 PM NZDT on October 06, 2010). Conditions: Partly Cloudy. Humidity: 82%. Dew Point: 9.0�C. Pressure: 30.24 in 1024 hPa (Rising). 07:48 kf @wunder wellington nz 07:45 magnus won't last long though 07:45 magnus heh, it's almost hot enough here too for that at the moment 07:45 jransom bbq 2 nights in a row - in october! 07:44 jransom make sure you bring sun glasses - weather is gorgeous at the moment 07:44 jransom koha con coming up fast Magnus 07:44 jransom heya 07:44 magnus hi jransom 07:43 chris heya jransom 07:41 jransom evening all 07:40 chris thank you 07:37 chris magnus: either or :) 07:37 chris no worries kf 07:36 kf hi ivanc 07:33 ivanc hi kf 07:32 kf hi magnus 07:32 magnus hiya kf 07:31 kf chris++ # for signing-off on my patch :) 07:31 kf good morning #koha 07:28 magnus just to the main list, or main and devel? 07:27 magnus ooh, guess i could 07:27 chris you wanna send a reminder to the list magnus? 07:27 ivanc I did not know, but 'I am here :) 07:26 chris yup think so 07:25 magnus meeting in 2,5 hours? http://wiki.koha-community.org/wiki/General_IRC_Meeting,_6_October_2010 07:25 ivanc 15°C here in Bolzano after a night of rain 07:24 magnus hi ivanc, paul_p, chris et al 07:24 paul_p some friends of mine were on the beach last we, and the water was really good they said 07:23 paul_p hi magnus. 20°C here in Lille, 25 in Marseille, that's hot too. 07:23 ivanc hi magnus 07:23 paul_p ivanc, usually, i'm in Marseille, so close from you 07:23 magnus that's *hot* for october up here 07:23 ivanc hi paul_p, ( AltoAdige/SouthTyrol north of Italy ) 07:23 munin magnus: The current temperature in Bodo, Norway is 14.0�C (9:20 AM CEST on October 06, 2010). Conditions: Mostly Cloudy. Humidity: 59%. Dew Point: 6.0�C. Pressure: 29.74 in 1007 hPa (Steady). 07:23 magnus @wunder bodo, norway 07:22 chris ohhh, working up there? 07:22 paul_p hi chris & ivanc . live from Lille, (far north of France) 07:20 ivanc buon giorno chris :) 07:20 chris hiya ivanc 07:20 ivanc good morning #koha 07:05 chris Elwell: i think the whole 'supercity' idea is dumb too 07:04 chris hi hdl 07:02 hdl back 07:01 chris heh 06:57 Elwell mind you, looks like you've been employing glaswegian postmen over there too (Mangere voting thing) 06:55 chris lol 06:54 Elwell chris: nah, he's too tactful for ptfs 06:54 chris Elwell: and yes, they do, hopefully not for too much longer though 06:54 chris Elwell: i hear his next job is at ptfs 06:53 * Elwell_ catches up on the Paul Henry fiasco - and they still employ this guy? 06:52 chris they have certainly drawn a line in the sand 06:52 chris heh 06:50 * magnus is happy to play with the nerds in the paddock 06:18 chris sweet 06:14 * brendan_l added to openhatch 06:06 chris http://openhatch.org/+projects/Koha 05:50 chris yup 05:50 brendan_l ah crazy peeps on bikes 05:49 chris in the common wealth games 05:49 chris http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Keirin 05:49 chris only the most funnest track cycle event 05:48 brendan_l ? 05:48 chris the keirin is on 05:48 chris oh cool 05:44 chris :) 05:44 brendan_l nothing exciting - just more of a ++ 05:44 brendan_l added a comment ;) 05:44 chris i hoping the ppl who are currently playing the role of the teacher will see what their oh its ok attitude is doing 05:43 chris yeah its a good summary i thought 05:41 brendan_l Jo++ 05:40 chris :) 05:38 brendan_l glad I'm on the nerds/geeks side 05:36 chris jo has a good way with metaphors 05:35 chris http://library-matters.blogspot.com/2010/10/school-yard-bullying-is-alive-and-well.html 05:35 chris cya later 05:35 hdl see you soon on chat 05:35 brendan_l cya later hdl ;) 05:35 hdl ok my day has to begin 05:33 brendan_l yup chris - batch edit of biblios would be great and really important -- but also respecting authorities at the same time 05:33 hdl here the latest. 05:33 hdl http://git.biblibre.com/?p=koha;a=commit;h=b904349a6cb52058ebdfe6e980b6c0213bf43728 05:32 hdl here is the first patch 05:32 hdl http://git.biblibre.com/?p=koha;a=commit;h=d962f96d4fa58d759431782b74b2e8653658143a 05:31 chris biblibre++ 05:31 chris yay 05:31 chris so that will be in 3.4 :) 05:31 chris oh excellent 05:30 brendan_l can you post a link to the code here? 05:30 hdl we did a batch biblio tool it is on master 05:29 brendan_l would be great if you could run - bulkmarcimport.pl -barcode=852_p, itemcallnumber=852_h,852_i etc. 05:29 chris or something 05:28 chris so you give a file which could be as simple as 245a|245c 05:28 chris -m /path/to/mapping/table 05:27 chris *nod* 05:26 brendan_l maybe even some more flags for bulkmarcimport 05:26 robin yeah, that would 05:26 chris batch edit of biblios (not just items) 05:26 chris now that would be good 05:26 brendan_l so you could have an import MARC file and then feed the table in and then get MARC files ready to import 05:26 chris doing that within koha 05:26 robin yeah :) that's always the hard bit 05:25 brendan_l yup - just need to find the time 05:25 robin that should be relatively easy 05:25 brendan_l yup 05:25 robin so, remapping MARC records from one form to another? 05:25 brendan_l so that you could feed in a table of all the marc feeds that need to be converted to 952's 05:24 brendan_l next up for you, a script that uses MARC::record - with a table feed ( the table would be -- for example 852_a to 952_p)... 05:24 chris (wont delete them if they have reserves, orders or items attached) 05:24 chris i did a script today, that ill push up, for deleting unattached biblios safely 05:23 robin Probably going to be doing more with them soon, as I have a bunch more CSVs that need to be converted, so there's bound to be things I didn't account for that I need to this time around. 05:22 robin ah cool, hope they're useful 05:22 brendan_l robin++ 05:22 brendan_l robin I've been looking at and messing around with your csvtomarc.pl scripts 05:21 robin heh 05:21 brendan_l hopefully ptfs attends ;) 05:21 chris :) 05:21 robin "Software-as-a-Service Without Crimes Against Freedom" 05:20 * chris lets robin tell people 05:20 brendan_l sweet 05:20 chris and its a most apt title too ! 05:20 robin yay, just got confirmation that my Koha talk at OSDC in Melbourne has been accepted :) 05:19 chris :) 05:18 brendan_l I learned how to windsurf on lake leon :) 05:15 chris and cassis 05:15 chris marseille is great to visit too 05:13 brendan_l I've been to carcassonne when I was young - so I'm hoping that I can show our little one the same 05:12 brendan_l I know you are not close to paris - but france isn't that big 05:09 brendan_l we are having a girl - and she'll need to see paris at some point -- so we'll meet you then ;) 05:08 brendan_l another time 05:08 hdl But it is the most beatiful reason ;) 05:08 brendan_l thanks :) 05:08 hdl It is a pity we cannot meet. 05:07 hdl congratulations 05:06 hdl good. 05:03 brendan_l but Ian (sekjal) nicole (nengard) and Nate (nate) (irc nicks in () ) - are going 05:03 brendan_l no - my wife is pregnant - so I'm going to stay behind 05:02 hdl paul and I 05:02 hdl are you on the trip ? 05:02 brendan_l or maybe this is a better questions - who from biblibre is going 05:02 hdl I will. 05:02 brendan_l so are you: hdl going to KohaCon? 05:01 brendan_l whoops 10pm 05:01 brendan_l 10am 05:01 brendan_l ok so not too bad 05:01 hdl late night for you ;) 05:00 hdl 7. AM 05:00 hdl hi brendan_l how are you? 05:00 brendan_l early morning for you 05:00 brendan_l hi hdl ;) 04:30 irma better get back to some tasks (silently waiting...) Cheerio all. 04:29 irma Pity I wont get to meet you but looking forward to meeting the other ByWaterSolutions team members 04:28 brendan_l I'm hoping not -- Nate would kill me ;) 04:27 irma IRC Koha log not read by Nate's girlfriend? 04:25 brendan_l ;) 04:25 brendan_l so I think you all should tease him a little bit ;0 04:24 irma ++ for ByWater Solutions! 04:24 brendan_l And the big secret (well not anymore) Nate is going to propose to his girlfriend we'll he is in NZ 04:24 irma another client was going to come too (and wanted to catch up with Walter re Kete) but could not get leave 04:24 brendan_l we've got Nicole (nengard), Ian (sekjal) and Nate (nate) going 04:23 irma indeed and so is Bob and one of our clients 04:22 brendan_l irma - you're most definitely going to KohaCon right? 04:22 irma sounds like a healthy and clever baby in construction mode 04:21 brendan_l I can feel her kicking up a storm nightly 04:21 irma cooler months will help too 04:21 brendan_l we've got a little kicker on the way 04:20 irma :-( 04:20 brendan_l the last month or so has been good 04:20 brendan_l Finally - the first 5 months were really bad... 04:20 irma Hope she is feeling well...?! 04:20 brendan_l s/NA/NZ 04:20 irma Congratulations! We loved our pregnancies :-) 04:19 brendan_l yup number one 04:19 brendan_l I decided that we'd use the time off then - instead of NA 04:19 irma number 1? 04:19 irma that's not such good news! 04:19 brendan_l but it's not sadness -- my wife is pregnant - and we're expecting a little girl in December 04:19 irma :-( 04:18 brendan_l I'm not going to be making it :( 04:18 irma heya Brendan ... see U soon 04:17 brendan_l what up mason :) 04:17 brendan_l heya irma 04:17 irma heya Mason 04:13 wasabi heya irma ;) 04:12 irma Next? Using the customised MARC framework for their archives 04:12 irma Online catalogue here http://jsnwl.calyx.net.au/ 04:00 chris http://www.calyx.net.au/2010/10/jessie-street-national-women%E2%80%99s-library-chooses-koha-hosted-by-calyx/ 03:32 Shiny crickets that game with a ball right? 03:31 Shiny i have no idea what CWG is 03:25 Amit Shiny u mean to say cricket match or CWG 03:25 Amit heya shiny 03:24 * Shiny supports any team playing australia 03:05 chris yes, so good :) 03:05 Amit india win by 1 wicket 03:05 Amit chris: have u seen India vs Aus first test match 03:05 Amit heya brendan 03:04 Amit chris: haaa 03:04 brendan_l heya amit 03:04 chris :) 03:04 chris you should go to the commonwealth games, its empty!! 03:03 chris heya Amit 03:03 Amit heya chris 00:06 wasabi ok, back to a 3.0 install... 00:06 wasabi ahhh, liblime, ooohhh, grandfathered 95% of code... omg, squee!! 00:05 wasabi oooh, heres the 1st website from google...... 00:05 wasabi ahh, KOHA i've heard of that, its really good! 00:04 wasabi so the site is designed to obscure koha's history, etc, yawn... 00:04 chris yeah like i say, we dont, and never did exist 00:03 wasabi aah, the 'history-of-koha' blurb has long disappeared from liblime.com too... 00:02 chris yup, im deleting biblios with no items attached as we speak 00:01 wasabi anyhoo, if got some actual work to do today :) , as do you... 00:01 chris i mean KOHA was invented by liblime donchaknow 00:01 wasabi still, i wouldnt put it past them! lol 00:00 wasabi aaah, ok..