Time  Nick       Message
00:25 * chris_n1 wanders by
00:25 chris      hiya chris_n1
00:54 chris_n1   cool... html labels appear to conquer the utf8 issues with label printing
00:55 * chris_n1 exports labels in Chinese without problems now
00:55 chris_n1   excepting the fact that I cannot read them ;-)
01:16 chris      thats cool about the utf8
02:43 brendan_l  @wunder 93117
02:43 munin      brendan_l: The current temperature in Northwest Goleta, Goleta, California is 15.9�C (7:49 PM PDT on October 04, 2010). Conditions: Scattered Clouds. Humidity: 61%. Dew Point: 8.0�C. Pressure: 29.93 in 1013.4 hPa (Steady).
04:12 wajasu     would be nice to have the utf8 label thing solved.  my librarian edits records to not have diacritics and prints a lebel then edits things back. slow and errorprone workaround.
04:34 mib_zt590  hello
05:04 cait       @wunder Konstanz
05:04 munin      cait: The current temperature in Konstanz, Germany is 14.0�C (7:00 AM CEST on October 05, 2010). Conditions: Light Rain. Humidity: 97%. Dew Point: 14.0�C. Pressure: 29.75 in 1007 hPa (Rising).
05:05 cait       @wunder Heidelberg germany
05:05 munin      cait: The current temperature in Mannheim, Germany is 14.6�C (7:00 AM CEST on October 05, 2010). Conditions: Overcast. Humidity: 95%. Dew Point: 14.0�C. Pressure: 29.67 in 1004.6 hPa (Rising).
05:35 LUMHS      I want to open ports which supported the z39.50, could any one help me in this regard?
07:10 good       hello chris
07:11 good       hello richard
07:11 good       hello all
07:11 good       i m new to koha
07:11 good       can any1 help me
07:14 hdl        good: what's up?
07:14 good       i need help
07:14 good       i m new to koha
07:15 good       can u help me hdl
07:15 hdl        I  could if you have read the install documentation and asked questions.
07:16 hdl        http://www.catb.org/esr/faqs/smart-questions.html
07:16 good       ya i have tried to install bt getting sum errors
07:18 good       r u there hdl
07:19 hdl        yes I think you can force installation
07:19 good       i m getting errors at localhost
07:20 good       “localhost” refused the connection.Likely causes of the problem are     * some service isn't started, or    * you got the port number wrong.
07:21 hdl        have you read documentation and installed apache vhosts ?
07:21 good       no not installed that
07:22 hdl        http://wiki.koha-community.org/wiki/Koha_on_Ubuntu
07:22 hdl        step 3
07:23 good       bt i m installing koha-3.00.06 on debian-lenny
07:23 good       do u have any idea
07:23 hdl        step 3 is the same on debian lenny
07:24 good       k
07:24 good       r u sure problem wil be solved
07:26 good       thnx
07:26 good       bye
07:27 chris      i hate that cgi irc thing
08:15 magnus     here's something i never quite understood: why does install.debian recommend doing "git checkout -b myinstall origin"?
08:15 magnus     whu create my own branch to install from, and not install from master?
08:33 chris      it is master
08:33 chris      everything is a local branch in git
08:34 chris      you can call it whatever you want
08:34 chris      it just depends on what you merge into it, or rebase it on
09:00 reed       chris, you there? Jan has a question about Māori surnames
09:00 chris      yep
09:01 reed       name is--
09:02 reed       Sir Archie John Te Atawhai Taiaroa
09:02 reed       which bit is the surname?
09:02 chris      Taiaroa
09:02 reed       !
09:02 reed       was her guess
09:02 reed       jan sez thanks
09:02 chris      np
09:02 reed       she's doing some library index thing
09:04 chris      ahh right
09:05 reed       she's getting trained to do new things
09:05 reed       article indexing right now
09:06 reed       we've been talking about doing language classes; would help for stuff like that
09:07 chris      yup :)
09:21 magnus     chris: sorry for being slow... i get that i can call the branch what i like, i don't get why i have to create a new branch to install from. why not just install from master, when that is what i want?
09:23 chris      it is master, just called something else
09:23 magnus     um, so why call it something else?
09:24 chris      because by doing the install it changes some files
09:25 chris      when you do a git clone
09:26 magnus     a ha! ;-)
09:27 magnus     so later on i want to update the install and do a "git pull", but then git complains because of the changed files in the myinstall branch
09:27 chris      yup
09:28 magnus     and to update i should check out master, pull, check out a new branch and install/update from that?
09:28 chris      well you can do a commit to commit local changes then merge from upstream master
09:29 chris      i like to have master be exactly the same as upstream master
09:29 chris      not have local changes in it
09:29 magnus     yeah, sounds reasonable
09:31 magnus     btw: can you see the lightbulb above my head? thanks for taking the time to explain that to me, chris!
09:32 chris      no problem
09:35 wasabi     Q, whats the fedora equiv. of the 'daemon' .deb package?
09:35 wasabi     http://packages.debian.org/lenny/daemon ?
09:35 wasabi     anyone?
09:37 wasabi     well, here's a start... -> https://admin.fedoraproject.org/pkgdb/
09:41 wasabi     answer ->  http://www.mail-archive.com/koha-patches@lists.koha.org/msg00389.html
09:42 wasabi     daemon package not yet in fedora-core :/
09:43 wasabi     ... and the rpm fail-dance begins
11:19 hdl        wasabi: I installed daemon from source.
11:20 hdl        http://libslack.org/daemon/
11:25 druthb     Hello, #koha
11:45 magnus     hiya druthb
11:45 magnus     ...and jwagner
11:47 jwagner    Hi magnus
11:47 druthb     hi, magnus!
12:01 wasabi     hdl: thanx, i installed successfully from source too
12:30 magnus     oh please, PDF::API2::Simple...
12:32 owen       PDF::API2::Simple is a vengeful god which doesn't respond to prayer
12:33 * magnus   was afraid of that
12:34 magnus     but you are plotting to replace it with good ol' html?
12:34 owen       Sounds like chris_n is
12:35 magnus     ah, i'm probably getting names mixed up...
12:36 magnus     ...again
12:37 chris_n    magnus: http://git.koha-community.org/gitweb/?p=wip/koha-chris_n.git;a=summary
12:37 chris_n    beware the pdf export is somewhat broken in that branch, however
12:38 magnus     chris_n
12:38 magnus     chris_n++
12:38 magnus     d'oh
12:38 magnus     i installed Module::Install, but still get "'/usr/bin/perl Makefile.PL INSTALLDIRS=site' returned status 512, won't make", even when doing force install - any and all hints, tricks and tips
12:38 magnus     ...are very welcome
12:39 chris_n    magnus: I usually cd into the source directory under .cpan and build it myself with sudo
12:41 magnus     woohoo, that seems to have done the trick - actually i followed these steps: http://lists.katipo.co.nz/public/koha/2010-March/023254.html
12:57 wasabi     chris_n: well done on the utf-labels
13:06 wasabi     chris_n:  whats the perl-module that does the utf heavy-lifting?
13:06 chris_n    wasabi: yeah, there's a bunch of cleanup to do on the code, but I was producing chinese labels last evening
13:07 chris_n    actually, the capability is already in koha since we display multi lingual chars in the browser
13:07 wasabi     fyi: a feat i thought was rather impossible!
13:07 wasabi     aaaaah...
13:08 wasabi     well, the capability is in the web-browser...
13:08 chris_n    so I just worked over the pdf code to spit out css parameters
13:09 chris_n    married that to a template
13:09 chris_n    and away we go
13:09 wasabi     aah, that was my 1st attempt :)
13:09 wasabi     it failed pretty badly, for me
13:11 wasabi     but the only real work-around for utf->pdf conversion
13:13 wasabi     well done, and thanks for your perseverance too!
13:21 wasabi     man, yum is just so slow  :/
13:22 owen       yum?
13:23 wasabi     apt-get/dpkg for redhat/centos
13:39 * chris_n  thinks of cookies or some sort when he hears 'yum'
13:41 tance      hello
13:41 owen       Hi tance
13:42 tance      i uusing koha version 3.06 and i want to create depend branchs
13:43 tance      i have dependBranch on and every user can modify the catalog o the other library
13:43 tance      how can fix this
13:44 owen       tance do you mean IndependentBranches?
13:47 tance      yes IndependentBranches
13:48 owen       I don't have any experience with IndependentBranches, but I wonder if your users have the right permissions?
14:11 tance      does anybody know about my broblem with IndependentBranches on ?
14:12 owen       tance: Did you check your user permissions?
14:12 owen       I wonder if having superlibrarian users would cause your problem
14:14 tance      yes in the user permision i add the cataloging permision adding modifiing but the user can modify and the record of the other libraries that he is not member
14:14 tance      becouse im builting a federating koha
14:15 owen       tance: But not the superlibrarian permission?
14:15 tance      not superlibrarian permision
14:15 tance      i am the superlibrarian
14:16 owen       Sorry, meeting
14:16 wizzyrea   magnus: thanks for asking those questions about git, answered some of my own. :)
14:34 tance      does anybody know about my broblem with IndependentBranches on ?
14:35 tance      other librarian edit the record of the other libraries
14:35 tance      i`ve checked the user permisions
14:54 owen       tance: Are you talking about bibliographic records or item records?
15:03 tance      bibliographic records and item records
15:04 tance      both
15:04 wizzyrea   chris_n:
15:04 wizzyrea   about?
15:04 owen       bibliographic records are not, as far as I know associated with a particular library
15:04 chris_n    wizzyrea: here
15:04 wizzyrea   woot
15:04 wizzyrea   I had a suggestion for the label creator
15:04 wizzyrea   (from my librarians)
15:04 owen       tance: In my test installation of 3.0.6, I am correctly prevented from editing items which don't belong to my branch
15:04 * chris_n  s all ears
15:05 wizzyrea   In the search for items bit, they would like to be able to limit the results by branch
15:05 * chris_n  runs and hides at the mention of search code 8-P
15:06 wizzyrea   lol
15:06 wizzyrea   sorry >.<
15:06 chris_n    that's a great idea, though
15:06 wizzyrea   we have 33 libraries, it gets quite cumbersome sometimes
15:07 chris_n    file an enhancement request and I'll take a look at it
15:07 wizzyrea   I will do that
15:07 tance      but how to limit the search
15:07 chris_n    if it is not toooo difficult I'll put it into my fifo buffer :-)
15:07 tance      there is no option for this
15:08 wizzyrea   :D My librarians might worship you. Perhaps there would be cookies involved.
15:08 * chris_n  's day-to-day buffer is lifo
15:08 chris_n    cookies++
15:09 owen       wizzyrea: I remembered why I wasn't able to change the batch mod table the way I wanted to
15:10 owen       I wanted to put the title on a separate row, with the field details in the row underneath?
15:10 owen       It breaks the table sorter
15:10 owen       Here's what I'm playing around with instead: http://www.screencast.com/t/zqZUQoWq
15:11 wizzyrea   !!!
15:11 owen       Check a box to hide the column
15:11 wizzyrea   !!!!
15:11 owen       Sorry, the checkboxes don't match the results in that screenshot
15:11 wizzyrea   I like that idea!
15:12 owen       I'm probably crazy, but I'm thinking about saving the selection in a cookie so that it remembers your column choices
15:12 wizzyrea   so it's per user too
15:12 wizzyrea   that would be SO FRICKIN COOL.
15:12 * owen     hopes he's not getting in too deep with this cookie idea
15:13 * chris_n  thinks one can never be too deep in cookies
15:45 Drl-Ulm    Hallo
15:56 owen       Got the buttons working right at least: http://www.screencast.com/t/DJqUMZ1sf
15:56 wizzyrea   <3 that looks so fabulous
15:57 wizzyrea   the only thing, I wonder if you could put the homebranch in the first column?
15:57 wizzyrea   or does that make it look dumb
15:57 wizzyrea   looking again to see what you've got in there
15:58 wizzyrea   ISBNs?
15:58 reva       hi all good morning, I am in the process of installing my 3.2 Koha in Debian Lenny. In the instruction page, I am at the stage where I am invoking CPAN archives to install the addition dependencies for Perl module.
15:59 owen       wizzyrea: I'm not wedded to the ISBN showing there, but the script was written that way. I just fixed it so it worked.
15:59 owen       I don't think I would find it useful myself
16:01 reva       Should I answer to configure as much as possible automatically? (Yes) or opt for manual. In which case, how do I know which ones I have installed through the Debian package, so that I won't duplicate them?
16:01 owen       wizzyrea: So you would add homebranch to the title/author column?
16:02 reva       Also when would I use this command (I am following the install instruction page): /etc/perl/CPAN/Config.pm initialized.
16:03 wizzyrea   I think I would, let me get some feed back here just a sec
16:04 reva       wizzyrea, was that for me?
16:04 wizzyrea   Ah, they claim that the ISBN is useful
16:04 wizzyrea   er
16:04 wizzyrea   useless
16:05 wizzyrea   they claim the isbn is useless
16:05 wizzyrea   by the time you're at that table
16:05 Drl-Ulm    OWEN: Hey that rocks! Will be very useful!
16:05 wizzyrea   owen++ he's awesome
16:06 wizzyrea   reva: no, for owen
16:07 reva       owen, waht is the "no" for?That wizzyrea was not responding to me; or to not take the automatic configuration option?
16:08 owen       reva: No one has answered your question yet
16:08 reva       wizzyrea, sorry, just a little cross-eyed today; reading everything right to left. Got it.
16:12 reva       anyone able to answer if I should I let it configure automatically? (Else, how do I find what Perl dependencies were already installed through Debian?)
16:12 owen       reva: You should follow the directions, and let CPAN configure everything
16:13 reva       thanks owen. :)
16:18 Drl-Ulm    OWEN: Ah, show and tell
16:18 reva       Now, it asks if I need the Probe-perl-0.01.tar.gz installed permanently"? (It has the comment that it is just needed temporarily). Should I say I want it permanently, or no?
16:22 wizzyrea   you know, when I am faced with such questions, I do what I think is best according to my judgement. You probably should do the same. No one can tell you how to configure your system, because their way might not be your way.
16:23 wizzyrea   occasionally I get it wrong and have to back up and try again, but there's certainly no shame in that.
16:24 Drl-Ulm    Here is one, a quick change we could add, click here->  http://www.screencast.com/users/SMFPL/folders/Jing/media/d267aba2-4534-4377-b81d-4e5880879d3e  <- puts google previews into Koha. Needs to be made an option, easy setup:
16:26 owen       That would be a nice addition to the Google Jackets options Drl-Ulm
16:28 Drl-Ulm    Could be an option
16:29 reva       That is true wizzyrea. But just seeing the wisdom out there. Now "i /Test::More\Locale::Currency::Format/" command comes up with "bash: i command not found".  (I am assuming in the perl module all this will be working, only the Test is composed wrong.)
16:32 Drl-Ulm    Here is another, barcodes for cell phone being used as a patron card. click here -> http://www.screencast.com/users/SMFPL/folders/Jing/media/46a5a18b-84db-4e7a-8b10-9659dacaaf0f
16:37 Drl-Ulm    You need linear imaging barcode scanners to be able to scan an LCD screen cellphone
16:54 Drl-Ulm    Here is another link to our internal "Stow-Extras" tools we use. Lots of work on these, can't show all results because of patron names -> http://www.screencast.com/users/SMFPL/folders/Jing/media/375e8eb4-9ff4-49f6-be89-1bb416eb5f1f
16:55 Drl-Ulm    I need to submit some of this stuff back to the project :)
16:55 Drl-Ulm    Always working on Win-PCs however - sigh.
16:57 cait       hi #koha
16:58 owen       Hi cait
16:58 magnus     hi cait
16:59 cait       hi owen and magnus :)
17:00 Drl-Ulm    It's alot, I need to submit some of this back.
17:03 schuster   drl-ulm were those built with php?
17:05 Drl-Ulm    The OPAC stuff is Perl / Koha and the Slip Scheduled Notice is Perl
17:05 Drl-Ulm    All the rest of the stuff is PHP
17:06 reva       Hi anyone, the command "/etc/perl/CPAN/Config.pm initialized." says permission denied; yet I am at the root.
17:08 owen       Are you instructed by the install file to enter that?
17:09 reva       owen, yes; it says to initialize it if you have never run CPAN before.
17:10 reva       As I have to run Config.pm for the CPAN before the long command (with all the ::checkdigit, etc.) will take effect.
17:11 reva       as otherwise, is not able to install the modules it thinks is needed.
17:12 wizzyrea   lunchtime!
17:12 Drl-Ulm    3D Koha maps: Now for the 3D map project (in progress) by location / call project similar to NEU-GRAND in Turkey Click Here --> http://www.screencast.com/users/SMFPL/folders/Jing/media/6dfcdc82-ca33-4238-84c2-eb2ca3555b83
17:13 magnus     reva: just give the "sudo cpan" command, i think
17:13 Drl-Ulm    Yes, it is def. in progress.
17:14 magnus     reva: i dont think "/etc/perl/CPAN/Config.pm initialized." is supposed to be a command
17:16 reva       magus, I am at root; I tried all combinations of sudo; when I prepend sudo it says sudo (followed by whatever) unable to resolve hot ABBS05 (which is the computer name).
17:16 reva       So magnus, what is the command.
17:16 owen       reva: sudo cpan
17:16 reva       for initializing the CPAN Config.pm; I just following the instructions on the page. Ok owen, I will try that.
17:17 magnus     reva: what owen said... ;-)
17:17 reva       since I am at the root I did cpan and it now has the cpan[1]> command prompt.
17:18 reva       so which command would I be running at this prompt now?
17:18 reva       do I run the long command at this prompt?
17:25 magnus     reva: exit the cpan shell and run "sudo cpan Algorithm::Chec..." from the regular command line
17:26 reva       ok magnu. I will.
17:28 cait       has someone email enabled in their dev installation? I have a patch for new serial issue notification not working
17:28 reva       magnus, are the back slashes supposed to be included, or do i just continue on the line and let it wrap?
17:28 cait       I would be nice if someone would signoff on it
17:29 magnus     reva: not sure, try it! ;-)
17:34 cait       owen flees :)
17:37 reva       magnus, it is saying that "make install" returned bad status, install seems impossible. Anyone know what to do?
17:41 magnus     reva: sorry, that could be a ton of different reasons...
17:43 reva       ok, let me give you a page  from another site; if you see that can help me (though the instructions are for Ubuntu not Debian), would you take a look?: http://www.blazingmoon.org/guides/k3-on-u810-6.html
18:08 magnus     reva: that is for an older version of koha, on another os. i think sticking to install.debian is better
18:08 magnus     hiya nengard!
18:08 nengard    howdy
18:09 magnus     waiting for your book to arrive ;-)
18:13 cait       hi nengard :)
18:13 cait       serials training - even more questions
18:13 reva       ok, where would i find the old password in mysql so I can run "sudo mysqladmin password <password>" also, is the new password supposed to be surrounded by anything?
18:14 nengard    cait - i feel your pain :)
18:15 Drl-Ulm    book ++
18:15 cait       could be worse, questions are ok, although I suspect some bugs hiding there too
18:15 cait       we had some strange dates like XXX and 02/00/0
18:19 wizzyrea   reva: no.
18:21 reva       ok, so where would i find the old password so i can insert in the command and replace it with the new (without enclosing, of course; thanks wizzyrea).
18:22 Drl-Ulm    Galen: R U on?
18:22 gmcharlt   hi Drl-Ulm
18:23 Drl-Ulm    gmcharlt: Hi. If I have a patch for 3.2 which is a small enhancement, can this get into the 3.2 release?
18:23 reva       This is an aside for anyone: i copy and pasted lines of commands from the instruction web page; but now all my commands are in bold? how do I un-bold the command line edits?
18:23 gmcharlt   Drl-Ulm: definitely into 3.4, possibly back-ported into 3.2.1 depending on what chris_n thinks of it
18:24 Drl-Ulm    OK, it was just a couple of quick ones - if you think they would fly. One is the Google Preview function, added independantly of other Google / Amazon / etc. options
18:25 Drl-Ulm    gmcharlt: the other is tools->news->and add a slip option to print scheduled news items on the checkout slips
18:25 Drl-Ulm    gmcharlt: should I go ahead and submit?
18:25 wizzyrea   we've been in feature freeze for a long time for 3.2
18:25 gmcharlt   Drl-Ulm: yep, both sound worthy of consideration, so go ahead and submit for 3.4
18:26 chris      Yeah those could go into 3.4 assuming they pass QA
18:26 Drl-Ulm    wizzyrea: gmcharlt: OK, I will toss them on for 3.4 to see if they fly, thanks.
18:27 chris      Once colin as qa manager has looked at them, then I would look at them for 3.4 inclusion
18:30 chris      Because with 3.4 we are going to be aiming for a time based release, I'm gonna be a bit stricter about what goes in, having your patch signed off by others helps its chances
18:30 chris      As does unit tests and good documentation
18:31 chris      Of course we plan to work with ppl to help them achieve that
18:32 chris      Make sense dr-ulm?
18:36 reva       hi i do not even see a mysqladmin file for it to change the password. There is a mysql folder with my.cnf. I do not see a password in it when I look at it in the reader.
18:37 chris      I should hope not
18:37 reva       chris, are you answering me?
18:37 chris      Yes
18:37 chris      And I'm gonna say www.mysql.com
18:38 chris      There are docs there
18:38 reva       ok, I did not get that. At this point I am not sure any packages were installed through Debian.
18:38 Drl-Ulm    gmcharlt: also working on an opac (patron) controlled automated email message sent when new items arrive based on a patrons preference. Here is the Link: http://www.screencast.com/users/SMFPL/folders/Jing/media/8d91afff-05c0-4051-afdf-38f0293e8607
18:39 Drl-Ulm    gmcharlt: I will work on sending these, 2 of them are already done, thanks
18:39 Drl-Ulm    chris: yep, makes sense, I was called out on the floor (again) a frequent occurence
18:40 Drl-Ulm    Thanks people!
18:41 owen-away  Hi pianohack
18:41 pianohack  Hey owen
18:42 pianohack  How's it going?
18:42 cait       hi pianohack
18:42 pianohack  Hi cait
18:42 reva       ok, so I am at the MySql site. But I thought Debian installs basic MySQL package. No?
18:42 wizzyrea   PH!
18:43 pianohack  hey liz!
18:43 * wizzyrea pounces pianohack with a big hug
18:43 pianohack  reva: You can install a mysql-server package in debian, yes, though it usually isn't installed by default
18:43 wizzyrea   how's the new gig?
18:43 pianohack  paperwork's still going through
18:44 chris      Reva: you were asking about changing passwords for mysql
18:44 chris      Not installing
18:44 pianohack  Between HR bureaucracy and endless background checks, it might be another week :P
18:44 chris      Pianohack: hey you!!!
18:44 pianohack  Gah
18:44 pianohack  Hey chris
18:44 pianohack  How's it going?
18:44 chris      So I'm behind ... new gig?
18:45 owen       Background checks? pianohack is joining the FBI?
18:45 pianohack  I have a student web developer position with the USGS (government agency, does a lot of geological work)
18:45 chris      Going good 2.5 weeks until kohacon, keeping me busy
18:45 chris      Ohhh sweet
18:46 pianohack  One would think I'd be driving the president
18:46 chris      Heh
18:46 pianohack  but no, I'm writing PHP/Perl to drive an earthquake visualization website. Government...
18:46 pianohack  And yes, conferences. Lots of work involved :)
18:46 reva       correct. but when I tried the instructions from http://git.koha-community.org/gitweb/?p=koha.git;a=blob_plain;f=INSTALL.debian, I am stuck in this part.
18:46 chris      Just don't discover oil here
18:46 chris      :)
18:47 chris      Ohh really
18:47 reva       I eman chris: I am stuck at 2 and 2.1. It is not obliging
18:47 chris      Did you see the chch earthquake visualisation?
18:48 chris      When I get to my desk ill find you the url pianohack
18:48 pianohack  chris: The visualization that loads in Google Earth? Installing GEarth as we speak
18:48 chris      :)
18:49 chris      They are still having tons of aftershocks
18:49 chris      5.0 the other night
18:50 nengard    chris 15 days til I fly out!!!!!
18:50 chris      Woot
18:50 chris      Wizzy and lee have you beat tho
18:50 wizzyrea   RAR
18:50 wizzyrea   :)
18:50 chris      I think 10?
18:50 cait       14 days :)
18:50 wizzyrea   10!
18:51 chris_n    howdy pianohack
18:51 pianohack  Hey chris_n
18:51 chris      Ill start cleaning now
18:51 chris_n    owen: thanks for catching that
18:51 cait       cleaningß
18:51 Drl-Ulm    Anyone: in 3.2 are patron messaging settings working yet? (Days in advance Email Digests only? Do not notify)
18:52 chris      Yep
18:52 owen       chris_n: Bug 4988
18:52 munin      04Bug http://bugs.koha-community.org/bugzilla3/show_bug.cgi?id=4988 enhancement, P5, ---, kyle.m.hall, NEW, password field in change password form should not display
18:52 chris      Hlt and hauraki are both using them in production
18:52 chris_n    owen: I'm adding a second field
18:53 cait       Drl-Ulm: we use them in 3.01.61
18:53 chris_n    and will mark the other a dup
18:53 chris_n    Drl-Ulm: we use the latest HEAD in production
18:53 chris      Ok my stop bbiab
18:54 Drl-Ulm    chris_n: OK, Ill take your word for it. I am showing 3.01.00.143
18:55 Drl-Ulm    chris_n: hold the phone, what is the repository of HEAD? Am I using an old version?
18:55 chris_n    om
18:56 cait       git.koha-community.org?
18:56 Drl-Ulm    that is 3.2? or 3.0?
18:56 cait       both I think
18:56 chris_n    3.01.00.145
18:56 cait       ah
18:57 Drl-Ulm    chris_n: So I am running up to date (almost)? You are running .145?
18:57 chris_n    yes, and yes
18:57 Drl-Ulm    OK, good then it is time for lunch
18:58 pianohack  brendan++ # my old library, now supported by him, is up to date :)
19:05 nengard    pianohack we're happy to help :)
19:05 pianohack  bywater++ # there
19:12 jcamins    Is there any way to get a list of all topical authorities?
19:12 jcamins    When I change the authority search from "Default," I get a 500 Error.
19:14 jcamins    (unless I enter something into the search, but what I want is a list of every single topical heading)
19:16 cait       jcamins: I am sorry, I dont know how to get them all
19:17 cait       jcamins: the empy search does not work there
19:18 reva       so how do i list the packages that are there in the debian install? is there a command for that/
19:20 jcamins    cait: I'll have to file a bug for that.
19:21 jcamins    Thanks for checking.
19:21 owen       reva: Why do you need to?
19:29 reva       because I am not sure what packages I selected when I installed (I used the built inGUI installer for Debian). I remember picking sql and perl and I see two folders that it has created for them. But when I follow the instructions per the web page, it is throwing up "errror" or command not found msgs.
19:30 reva       jcamins, hi. I am in the middle of installing mysql. (Just to let you know, i do not see a folder for yaz or zebra; i only see ones for mysql and perl).
19:33 jcamins    reva: other than saying that if you follow the instructions exactly, you should end up with a working Koha installation, I don't know what to tell you. To learn more about Linux in general I suggest this book: http://www.tldp.org/LDP/intro-linux/html/ (I've never read it, but it looks like it provides an introduction)
19:37 reva       thanks jcamins. but i have followed and the first part seemed to have worked. and the perl module threw up a lot of msgs as well; but i was told by someone here to ignore and see what happens if i went on to the mysql part.:(
19:37 jcamins    Okay, that makes sense.
19:37 jcamins    So just run step 2.1-whatever.
19:37 jcamins    :)
19:40 briceSanc  hello
19:40 chris      hi briceSanc
19:41 pianohack  bye all, time for a nap
19:42 owen       A nap! The stories we've heard about gov't jobs are true!
19:42 chris      hehe
19:43 cait       hm time for a nap here too :)
19:43 cait       only 3 work days before kohacon :)
19:43 cait       good night all :)
19:43 reva       yes jcamins, the 2.1 is giving me trouble.
19:43 reva       it says it cannot find mysqladmin.
19:44 jcamins    Did you run all the steps before that?
19:44 jcamins    Steps 1.4-1.5?
19:45 reva       yes, just the perl module steps came up with some errors; but i was told that some of them may be inocuous and to go ahead to the mysql part.
19:46 jcamins    Strange.
19:47 jcamins    Then I have no idea what to tell you.
19:48 reva       i think it ran ok to 1.5; but i remember having to tweak the command for 1.5. so I am not sure what happened at 1.5. also, cpan perl installer gave a lot of make "this" failed kind of msgs.
19:48 jcamins    reva: how did you tweak the command for 1.5?
19:50 chris_n    any ideas on what the designed scope of the borrowers permission was/is in light of the fact that the variable name used in members.pl is NoUpdateLogin?
19:51 chris_n    was the intent simply to disallow modification of patron login info?
19:51 chris_n    or more broadly to disallow modification of all patron info?
19:51 chris      the former i think
19:51 reva       ok, install_misc ....it said install_misc...cannot be found. I cannot recall the tweak though. :( But I did have to do something to the command.) (Oh wait, may be I had switch it back to root to execute that.) But now I am logged in as root, so that is not the issue.
19:54 jcamins    reva: I would suggest you start over at step 1.3. It will not break anything if you run a step twice.
19:55 jcamins    Other than that, I have no suggestions.
19:56 reva       Ok, I will do that start from 1.3. Thanks jcamins:)
20:09 owen       Cookies successfully baked!
20:10 chris      ! :)
20:10 owen       Javascript cookies :)
20:12 owen       And now it is time to go. Bye all!
20:33 chris      http://www.liblime.com/
20:33 chris      *sigh*
20:34 chris      http://prelaunch.agencyofrecord.com/liblime/koha-
20:35 chris      not even pretending its not a fork anymore
20:36 jcamins    What is agencyofrecord?
20:36 chris      must be who did their site for them
20:36 jcamins    Ah.
20:37 chris      http://www.liblime.com/
20:37 chris      links from here
20:37 jcamins    Yeah, I saw. And was confused.
20:37 chris      im pretty sure owen wont like being quoted
20:37 chris      http://prelaunch.agencyofrecord.com/liblime/our-customers
20:38 jcamins    No, I would suppose not.
20:38 CGI020     hello
20:38 wizzyrea   hi
20:39 CGI020     hoe to enable the book cavers on opac serch
20:39 CGI020     how to enable the book covers in opac
20:40 wizzyrea   do you have an amazon aws account?
20:41 CGI020     no
20:42 chris      what version of Koha?
20:42 wizzyrea   Then you should get one, first (if you want amazon covers)
20:42 CGI020     koha 3.00.06
20:43 wizzyrea   have a look at http://koha-community.org/documentation/3-2-manual/?ch=c19#AEN1024
20:43 wizzyrea   under "amazon"
20:43 CGI020     i dont want amazon covers i want to add manualy mo covers
20:44 chris      well built in , yuo can either use google or amazon covers, there is no built in way to add your own
20:44 CGI020     ok thanks
20:44 wizzyrea   it's a copyright problem, anyway, for most things.
20:44 wizzyrea   (unless the books are out of copyright, of course)
20:46 * jcamins  supposes he probably won't have to worry about that issue when he starts working on custom book cover image support, since he works with sixteenth and seventeenth century books ;)
20:46 wizzyrea   nope, def not
20:50 briceSanc  Koha is a Liblime's registred trademark ????
20:51 chris      in the US yes
20:51 briceSanc  or KOHA is a Liblime's registred trademark ????
20:51 chris      probably KOHA
20:51 briceSanc  ok...
20:52 chris      its bogus either way :)
20:53 wasabi     a quick Q? liblime managed to reg. KOHA , not Koha, in the USA?
20:53 chris      you'd have to do a tm search it might have been koha
20:53 chris      they did it years ago
20:53 chris      it doesnt really matter
20:53 chris      its more the lies on the site that are offensive ;)
20:54 wasabi     so why are they attempting a capitalization hack on the word?
20:54 chris      same reason they changed the logo
20:54 wasabi     KOHA, not Koha, koha , etc?
20:54 chris      to distance themselves from actual koha
20:54 wizzyrea   http://tess2.uspto.gov/bin/showfield?f=doc&state=4003:2ce3l.2.2
20:55 chris      theres nothing on the site that mentions koha-community.org .. or any of the history of koha
20:55 chris      they are pretending they are KOHA
20:55 wizzyrea   wasabi does that help at all?
20:55 wasabi     sure it does
20:57 wasabi     such a strange game...
20:58 wizzyrea   it *is* a strange game
21:50 moodaepo   liblime-- ptfs--
21:50 moodaepo   @karma
21:50 munin      moodaepo: Highest karma: "chris" (168), "owen" (163), and "gmcharlt" (157).  Lowest karma: "<!" (-66), "failed" (-43), and "-" (-28).  You (moodaepo) are ranked 159 out of 994.
21:51 moodaepo   @karma liblime
21:51 munin      moodaepo: Karma for "liblime" has been increased 0 times and decreased 11 times for a total karma of -11.
21:51 moodaepo   @karma ptfs
21:51 munin      moodaepo: Karma for "ptfs" has been increased 8 times and decreased 6 times for a total karma of 2.
21:52 moodaepo   <!++
21:52 chris      heh
22:33 wasabi     ptfs--    from me too
22:35 wasabi     @ptfs please do not attempt to rebrand the Koha word, or the Koha logo, thank you :)
22:35 munin      wasabi: Error: "ptfs" is not a valid command.
22:35 wasabi     -> http://www.liblime.com/
22:39 richard    a pity that the own the rights to the real logo
22:52 wasabi     yeah, that was a fuck-up ;)
22:53 wasabi     i like this post , on that topic  -> http://www.cpbibliography.com/2010/09/pledge-to-the-koha-community/
22:56 chris_n    I find it a bit poetic that the url rewrite does not work on liblime's site... http://prelaunch.agencyofrecord.com/liblime/welcome
23:19 jcamins_a  chris_n: perhaps this is a known issue... URL rewriting breaks history rewriting and vice versa?
23:31 wasabi     jcamins:  i think they have a buggy apache.conf, thats all...
23:36 jcamins    wasabi: well, yes, but my suggestion struck me as poetic.
23:37 wasabi     lol, ah... i think i got you :)
23:40 chris      :)
23:40 wasabi     jcamins  i really like your 'pledge' post
23:41 jcamins    wasabi: I'm glad to hear it. I stand by it.
23:41 wasabi     yes, i feel the same way as you
23:41 chris      the good thing, and the thing not to lose sight of, is that almost everyone does
23:41 chris      this isnt a bunch of organisations doing bad thigns .. its just one
23:42 wasabi     lol, yeah pretty much
23:45 wasabi     ... an opinion i plan on sharing at kohacon10, to be *quite* sure
23:52 chris      well yeah, im not sure what we can do about it, but really enough is enough
23:53 wasabi     well, one thing *i* can do is bitch to anyone that finds it slighty interesting, about what *specifically* is being attempted by ptfs/liblime
23:54 wasabi     ... which we've all worked out months ago, but they are playing coy about
23:54 wasabi     interested...?
23:54 wasabi     :)
23:55 chris      yeah exactly, well at leats its out in the open now, they are trying to hijack the project as a liblime only thing
23:59 wasabi     i wonder how shortly we can expect the newly branded  'KOHA' wording and logo on koha.org ?
23:59 chris      i think they have given up on koha.org
23:59 chris      they dont link/talk about it