Time Nick Message 23:27 chris making stuff actually useful for borrowers++ 23:27 chris yeah 23:26 chris_n you can pretty much eliminate a book from the potential list of resources by reviewing its TOC 23:25 chris_n especially for folks doing research... it saves many steps to the stacks 23:24 chris heh nice 22:59 * chris_n loves his catalogers for entering full TOC material into every bib in the system 22:17 chris hi LBA 20:53 jcamins I've never seen those. 20:52 wizzyrea because that I would have an interest in :P 20:52 wizzyrea like "does koha interface in a useful way with these totally nifty automated machines that select magazines out of a rack for you?" 20:52 * jcamins is also completely at a loss as to what the question means 20:52 wizzyrea oh well. 20:51 wizzyrea I was so hoping it was something high tech. 20:51 wizzyrea you are probably right 20:51 wizzyrea < has no idea 20:51 jcamins I think "Kardex" is a historic term for "serial record." 20:51 wizzyrea I thought maybe it was an automated thing like the 3M stuff 20:51 chris so yeah, short answer is ... we dont know what you are talking about .. got a link? :) 20:51 jcamins I saw that, but that doesn't seem to have anything to do with serials. 20:50 wizzyrea http://www.kardexremstar.com/default.aspx 20:50 jcamins I think she's referring to what I just linked. 20:50 jcamins I don't think so. 20:50 chris yeah naw 20:50 wizzyrea oh, some sort of automated storage and retrieval system 20:50 jcamins Much better. 20:50 jcamins http://bit.ly/9FTzHC 20:49 jcamins Sorry about that. 20:49 jcamins Ick. 20:49 jcamins http://books.google.com/books?id=EdVrTc909nYC&pg=PA137&lpg=PA137&dq=kardex+serials&source=bl&ots=Uj-aU4989w&sig=SFwX7Nbs3sjS7G-yVT9RWV79If8&hl=en&ei=WBuZTOapH8T_lgf_q7E3&sa=X&oi=book_result&ct=result&resnum=8&sqi=2&ved=0CDMQ6AEwBw#v=onepage&q=kardex%20serials&f=false 20:49 * wizzyrea consults teh googlez 20:49 chris hopefully someone else knows the answer, i suspect no, since i have no idea what it is :) 20:48 chris "Use more words" 20:48 chris would it be wrong to reply and say 20:48 jcamins I was just wondering that. 20:48 chris wtf is kardex? 20:26 chris back 19:59 chris Ok my stop 19:58 * owen will be back tomorrow with questions about gitorious workflows! 19:56 jcamins Right. 19:56 chris_n dogfood is probably ok... its the cool-aid I try to avoid :-) 19:56 wizzyrea < got an android phone because of that. Still have my mac tho. :P 19:55 chris Walk the walk and all that 19:55 chris Yeah I just prefer to eat the dogfood :) 19:55 chris_n wow... quick flyby by pianohack 19:54 jcamins :) 19:53 jcamins And my code is equally open source wherever it's hosted. 19:53 jcamins Ah. Well, I think for the moment I'll stick with github because that's what I have configured. 19:50 chris so free software 19:50 chris Jcamins its agpl3 19:50 chris To me it is 19:49 owen I knew I couldn't put it off any longer :) 19:49 jcamins Is gitorious preferred to github? 19:49 chris Or we can make one at koha-community for you 19:49 chris You get a free backup as side effect 19:48 chris Ahh make a gitorious account and push :) 19:48 chris_n that will preserve things 19:48 owen ...but all of this is on my local machine 19:48 chris Leaving the patches sep has advantages 19:48 chris_n ^^what he said 19:47 chris I would do a pull request 19:47 owen chris_n: So I should submit one patch which incorporates your changes and mine? 19:46 chris_n that way they are easy to keep in sync with HEAD while they await inclusion 19:46 chris_n then do patches/pull requests from there 19:46 chris_n owen: I usually create a new branch off of master and cherry-pick all related commits to it 19:45 reva ok wizzyrea:) anyone know, when copy cataloging is it customary to remove the RCN from 001 (my "students" already know to remove and replace Org code from 003)? 19:44 chris owen: ie keep doing what you are doing 19:41 wizzyrea reva: either way, I think your answer is that "koha doesn't do that" 19:40 reva jcamins: I think you answered me; jwagner, I realized we are not on the world stage yet :), but wanted to prepare them for the day when we have the regional information network and they would be sharing their bib records in the WAIS there. 19:39 owen Uh... okay... 19:37 chris owen: new integration branch sounds good to me 19:36 jwagner reva, there is no such functionality in Koha. That's usually done by the site creating the record, such as OCLC 19:36 jcamins I don't think Koha does that. 19:36 reva Any takers for my question on automatic creation of the Record Control Number (010)? 19:35 reva Oh:0 19:34 chris Gah the hypothermia bus again today 19:33 jwagner reva, I didn't mean forced in that sense -- just that too many of my personal & professional circle were there. 19:32 reva jwagner: you could go to one of the suicide machine sites to get yourself removed from all of these social media sites. I do not think facebook filed any case against the Dutch suicide site. 19:28 reva owen: I like the RSS new entries:). But how do I get Koha to assign Record Control Numbers (001) automatically for me? Anyone? 19:28 * jwagner refuses to get involved with Twitter -- being forced into Facebook was bad enough 19:28 owen chris_n: What's the best way to handle all these separate commits? Right now I'm working with a branch that has cherry-picked commits from yours 19:27 jcamins And that would be an excellent way to persuade people not to have jcamins tweet. ;) 19:26 * jcamins doesn't quite get Twitter yet, but he's been told that he should Tweet more to increase his POW's visibility 19:26 * chris goes to catch the bus 19:26 wizzyrea or that 19:26 chris or do it to status.net and avoid the proprietaryness 19:26 wizzyrea (I haven't tried that, but *in theory* that should work) 19:25 jcamins Hm. 19:25 wizzyrea which you could pull into a pipe -> out to twitter 19:25 wizzyrea well you can do a search that gives a RSS feed of all the new additions 19:25 * owen imagines the twitterspam when his cataloger bulk loads 500 new records 19:24 * owen doesn't like the idea of "killing" RSS in favor of a proprietary platform :( 19:24 jcamins If Koha could tweet new catalog entries, that would be amazing. 19:24 wizzyrea like a yahoo pipe 19:24 wizzyrea can't you pull rss into a tool that then tweets the entries? 19:24 wizzyrea ... 19:24 owen So now I've got to make the OPAC tweet new comments? 19:23 wizzyrea i like it because at least for me, it would make it super simple to see what all was going on in the catalog 19:22 jcamins Chocolate, for example... 19:22 wizzyrea remember owen, RSS is dead :P 19:22 jcamins Bribes are sometimes effective. 19:22 wizzyrea hey, I think that having OPAC comments fed through to the library website is a great way to do that 19:22 * owen crosses his fingers 19:22 owen What better way to encourage people to comment than to offer a way to see what people are saying? 19:21 jcamins Now you just need people to comment on records in the OPAC. :D 19:20 wizzyrea owen++ 19:20 wizzyrea owen! 19:20 chris_n nice 19:20 wizzyrea :O 19:20 owen I've got a working, valid RSS feed for OPAC comments! 19:20 owen chris_n++ 19:16 chris_n bbiab 19:11 chris *nod* 19:10 chris_n format_date_in_foo might be nice for all of the formats 19:09 chris_n I agree it is a bit much to have to type just to get a date back 19:08 chris its pretty simple 19:08 chris if you look at the format_date ones 19:08 chris might be worth making a couple more helper routines 19:08 * chris_n was guilty of cut-and-paste from the POD on that one ;-) 19:07 chris yeah, i just saw your output iso bit :) 19:06 chris_n he's formatting in rfc822 rather than iso 19:06 chris you could use format_date_in_iso 19:06 nengard I tried to delete a currency and it confirmed that it was deleted but it wasn't - I then tried another and it deleted fine, so I'm wondering if currencies in use can't be deleted but the message is showing wrong 19:05 nengard has anyone tried to delete a currency that was being used? I think I found a bug 19:05 chris_n you can do this sort of one-liner: print C4::Dates->new("21-09-1989", "metric")->output("iso"); 19:04 * owen tests 19:04 owen Okay, I think I get it 19:03 chris_n ie my $nice_formatted_date = $date_object->output('rfc822') 19:03 chris_n and then call the output method on the format you want 19:03 chris but spelt right 19:02 chris thats how i use it 19:02 chris_n then you need to create a new date object based on the date you have 19:02 chris my $nice_formatted_date=format_data('2010-09-22'); 19:02 * wizzyrea vows to have a running sip server this week on 3.2. This is getting out of hand. 19:01 wizzyrea rhcl: do you have access to your server and/or know how to check for hung SIP connections? 19:00 owen I need to pass it a specific date 18:59 chris_n what exactly do you want to end up with... the current time in rfc822 format? or something else? 18:59 owen chris_n: format_date() doesn't take a parameter does it? 18:59 chris_n ahh 18:58 owen ...but I'm not sure how to use it! 18:58 wizzyrea woo hoo! 18:58 CGI625 thanks guys! i got it resolved 18:58 owen I'm finally testing the work you did on rfc822 date formatting (thank you thank you) 18:57 chris_n sure 18:56 owen chris_n: Got a sec? 18:53 jcamins It's in a lousy nineteenth century cardboard binding, but there are extensive early (17th century?) marginal annotations *with* hand-drawn illustrations of coins. 18:52 jcamins What an amazing book. 18:49 wizzyrea since it *might* have something to do with it 18:49 wizzyrea clear out your indexes CGI625, anyway 18:49 jcamins I'm not sure. 18:48 jcamins Wait, it may just be matchpoints that use Zebra. 18:48 wizzyrea then yea, that might be it 18:48 jcamins Sneaky. 18:48 wizzyrea ^^ 18:48 jcamins Ooh. 18:48 jcamins It does. 18:48 owen If so you'd need to re-index 18:48 * owen wonders if record-matching uses zebra? 18:44 jcamins That would be my guess, although I'm not sure where it would be. 18:44 CGI625 very quick responses in here btw, thanks 18:43 CGI625 perhaps i'm missing a table? 18:43 CGI625 yes, i did but i tried truncating the tables biblio, biblioitems, items, etc. and cleaning the imports 18:43 owen CGI625: I asked because Koha might reject an item with no barcode because it "matches" an existing item with no barcode. 18:43 jcamins CGI625: is it possible that you already imported the file successfully? 18:42 CGI625 is there anything else that might cause this, assuming my marc file is ok? 18:42 CGI625 of course the barcode 952p marc field has the barcode in it for each record 18:41 owen CGI625: Do your items have barcodes? 18:41 CGI625 for some reason, every time i stage a marc record for import and then import that staged record, it says that nearly all of my items were not added because they have a "duplicate barcode" 18:40 wizzyrea ^.^ 18:40 * owen snickers... nerd knobs. 18:39 wizzyrea (and the simple pref gets turned off) 18:39 chris_n exactly 18:39 wizzyrea but if you want to do it differently, you still have the nerd knobs 18:39 chris_n perhaps some "eye candy" for those who don't want to wade through the deeper parts of the pref stuff 18:39 wizzyrea so, activating simple pref A would activate everything necessary to do X 18:39 wizzyrea also interesting would be if we had "simple" and "advanced" controls 18:38 wizzyrea chris_n: that's an interesting idea 18:36 cait I m trying to write something up for my coworkers and a questionnaire for the library - but it's difficult 18:36 cait chris_n: yes 18:33 chris_n ie. if you want effect X, you need to set sysprefs Y and Z 18:33 chris_n cait: I'm thinking some sort of configuration matrix, either in Koha itself or at least in the docs would make setting things up much easier 18:32 cait chris_n: got your message - thx :) 18:28 wizzyrea me too. owen is a good example >.> 18:28 chris_n I'm now using the one-branch-per-bug method 18:28 wizzyrea right 18:28 chris_n I'll update bugzilla also as well of course 18:28 wizzyrea thanks! 18:28 wizzyrea ooooo! 18:27 chris_n http://git.koha-community.org/gitweb/?p=wip/koha-fbc.git;a=heads 18:27 chris_n wizzyrea: when its done, you can pick it up here: 18:27 wizzyrea :) 18:27 wizzyrea a lot. 18:27 wizzyrea BUT: I really like the new label creator. 18:27 chris_n I'll add it to Thursday's list 18:26 chris_n ok, that should be a simple fix 18:26 wizzyrea there we go 18:26 wizzyrea bug 5238 18:26 munin 04Bug http://bugs.koha-community.org/bugzilla3/show_bug.cgi?id=5238 minor, P5, ---, cnighswonger, NEW, Fatal error when saving printer profile if paper bin field is blank 18:26 chris_n bug 5238 18:26 wizzyrea 5238 18:26 munin 04Bug http://bugs.koha-community.org/bugzilla3/show_bug.cgi?id=5230 normal, P5, ---, gmcharlt, NEW, MARC export by call number range results in a zero byte file 18:26 chris_n sup? 18:26 wizzyrea bug 5230 18:26 wizzyrea :) 18:26 wizzyrea sorry, I had an autocomplete fail 18:25 chris_n ahh 18:25 chris_n wizzyrea 18:25 wizzyrea I just found another oops in the label creator 18:25 wizzyrea chris_n: 18:22 reva ok, I will experiment with it and ask if I have questions. Thanks jcamins: 18:21 jcamins Hi cait. 18:21 jcamins Other than that, I believe when you suppress an item, it won't show up in the OPAC (with that syspref set to on). 18:21 jcamins And that you have to reindex. 18:20 jcamins I do know that you *must* have a suppressed item, or searches won't work at all. 18:20 jcamins reva: I don't use the feature, so I don't know exactly. 18:19 cait hi #koha 18:19 reva jcamins: in my Koha it is set to "Off"; so if I turn it on, what happens exactly? 18:19 ebegin Which is the best field to search based on the language? 18:19 ebegin Hey! A quick question for you 18:14 reva owen: just like New, Corrected, you can set it to "deleted". 18:14 reva Ok, I will look at the manual now jcamins: Owen: it is one of the Record Status selections. 18:12 jcamins owen: OCLC tape load, I think. 18:10 * owen never heard of a delete code before 18:10 jcamins I don't use it. 18:10 jcamins You can look in the manual to learn about that. 18:10 jcamins No, that's the OpacSuppress feature. 18:09 reva ok, because I had understood that setting it delete in Ldr makes it disappear to the public, but lets the library manage and create report on their collection. Or you can even reinstate a record without having to recreate it. 18:07 jcamins I'd suggest just deleting the record. 18:06 jcamins No idea. 18:05 reva jcamins: hi again, when I set the delete code in the leader for a record, is it still supposed to show up in OPAC? 17:34 reva Ok, bye for now. 17:34 jcamins But closing the window should work as well. 17:34 jcamins I think maybe it is /QUIT 17:33 reva jcamins: I will and write back here how it went. Thanks for your encouraging words and help. What is the command here for signing off the chat. Or do you abruptly quit by closing the window? 17:27 jcamins I think if you follow them they might also take care of installing Apache, etc. 17:26 jcamins Read those instructions first, though. 17:25 jcamins Go for it. 17:19 reva jcamins: ok so I would install Debian and then the downloaded Apache, MySQL and Perl gets installed inside that. I will read the instructions and follow. Hope it will work also:). 17:16 jcamins I guess they probably work. :) 17:16 jcamins There are the instructions for installing Koha on Debian. 17:16 jcamins reva: http://bit.ly/appoS3 17:15 jcamins You should install it through Debian. 17:14 reva So I am not to download the http server separately as the instructions in the Koha community page (http://koha-community.org/download-koha/) has it? 17:10 jcamins Whatever version comes with Debian. 17:10 reva ok, then I will go with that CD1. And I would go with Apache http server. Any version I should target there? 17:09 jcamins Sure, if you have a PC, i386 should work. 17:09 reva jcamins: I will download CD1 and see it is big enough to be an OS:) 17:08 reva jcamins: Enviable; I am the IT/Library technology/Cataloger here; but did I get it right that I should go for the i386? Because I counted down the number of lines in this page (http://www.debian.org/releases/stable/ Intel x86 is 6th) and went with the 6th counting across the first row (http://www.debian.org/CD/jigdo-cd/). 17:02 tcohen hdl: ack 17:02 hdl tcohen: I think I sent a patch some timeago on that on the koha-devel list 17:02 jcamins Why don't you choose one (I'd guess CD #1), and see what happens? 17:02 tcohen hdl: thanks, i'll try to do some research in the topic 17:01 jcamins reva: no, I'm really not being modest. My host takes care of all OS installation. 17:01 hdl tcohen: There are a few threads about that on koha-devel 17:00 reva But I have not even downloaded because the choices had a series of CDs and I did not which one to download. And that is a lot of reading to do. :) Are you sure you are not just being modest? Ok, so recommend anyone there with expertise I can ask later so that I can download the correct 16:58 jcamins And now you know as much about installing Debian as I do. :) 16:58 jcamins See also http://www.debian.org/CD/ 16:58 jcamins reva: http://www.debian.org/releases/stable/i386/ 16:57 jcamins I would recommend looking online for a tutorial. 16:57 jcamins reva: I don't know anything about installing Debian. 16:56 reva jcamins: the link you gave for yesterday for Debian 5.0.6 has a series of links; I run a Intel x86 processor. I picked i386 (or something like that, but I do not know if this is the correct link for my processor). I then went to UTexas mirror, and it had CD1, CD2... in the ftp directory. So which CD#? 16:47 reva jcamins: thanks. 16:46 reva jcamins: ok, that did it. I understand the logic now. 16:45 jcamins Right? You have a record which had a 110, then you went and erased all the subfields, leaving the authority link intact. What you now need to do is go in and unlink that record from the authority. 16:45 jcamins You said you wanted to clear it from the record. 16:44 jcamins No. 16:44 reva jcamins: I will be clearing it from Authorities module, you mean? 16:43 jcamins reva: I think you can click the three dots next to the subfield 'a' do any search and choose "Clear." 16:40 reva Good morning all, I am looking at a record for which I deleted the corporate author entry; It is ok in staff Normal and Marc view. But the OPAC MARC view shows the 110 $9 RLIN field. And I cannot delete the 55 showing in the $9 subfield. Any solutions? 16:35 tcohen is there a place to find info about using yaz-icu? 16:33 hdl We are using icu for most of our customers now. 16:33 hdl unfortunately no. You could ask koha list for that. 16:32 tcohen hdl: do you have a file with that mapping? 16:29 hdl word-phrase-utf.chr should be a better guess 16:29 tcohen the map should be set in sort-string-utf.chr ? 16:29 hdl Therefore, you would have to normalize data. 16:28 hdl NFC or NFD precomposed or NFD post-composed. 16:28 hdl tcohen: I guess you have this because you are i` can be spelled in three different manners in utf8 16:27 jcamins wizzyrea: the extent to which I can sympathize with your tale is rather disturbing. 16:27 tcohen could you explain me that latter? 16:26 hdl tcohen: it looks like you should try yaz-icu or use a map `ii` i in your .chr file. 16:26 sekjal ::whew:: 16:26 wizzyrea I don't htink so 16:26 rhcl u have a way with words 16:26 sekjal if you take the + or % off, is there the possibility of duplicate values? 16:26 wizzyrea oooOOOOoooo 16:26 wizzyrea *nobody knows why... it's mystical* 16:26 wizzyrea so now it's just myth 16:25 wizzyrea right, but those people are looooooong gone 16:25 jcamins Yeah, but at some point they must've started, right? 16:25 rhcl token separator :) 16:25 wizzyrea "because it's the way we've always done it" 16:25 jcamins Oh, field end markers? 16:25 wizzyrea lol 16:25 wizzyrea in this case, anyway 16:25 jcamins Why on earth did they do that in the first place? 16:24 wizzyrea just 1 16:24 wizzyrea this is SIP 16:24 wizzyrea well 16:24 rhcl all your libraries or just 1? 16:24 wizzyrea no, not all, but half of them have + signs at the end, another percentage have % 16:24 owen How about programming the scanners to strip the %? :) 16:24 jcamins _All_ the barcodes have a % sign? 16:23 wizzyrea and 100k books 16:23 wizzyrea I imagine though they'd rather not re-card 20k patrons 16:23 wizzyrea :) 16:23 wizzyrea I saw those barcodes and I thought "oh yay! new and exciting ways to break things!" 16:23 * jwagner can be very, er, assertive at times 16:23 * jwagner adds, or drown while being whacked with the baseball bat.... 16:22 * druthb makes note of that, for the next time it might be relevant to her dealings with jwagner: do it her way, or drown. 16:22 jwagner Yeah, I know.... 16:22 wizzyrea normally I would agree with that 16:22 wizzyrea well 16:22 jwagner Tell them if they insist on using special characters that the computer interprets in a specific fashion, they should expect their data to break. 16:21 wizzyrea !! 16:21 wizzyrea :) 16:21 jwagner I personally just recommend holding their heads under water until they drink :-) 16:21 jwagner wizzyrea, there's a program item at a project management conference I'm going to entitled "Leading Your Horse to Water AND Getting It to Drink! Handling Stubborn Resistance to Change" 16:19 wizzyrea "and we have boxes and boxes of them" 16:19 wizzyrea "because it's the way we've always done it" 16:19 owen Librarians are loony? 16:19 wizzyrea can you guess the answer? 16:18 wizzyrea you know, I asked the same questions 16:18 owen wizzyrea: What's up with these % patron barcodes anyway? 16:17 rhcl np 16:17 wizzyrea thank you very much for testing that 16:17 wizzyrea k cool I will file a bug 16:17 rhcl wizzyrea: no, with a '%' it will not authenticate (not using opac login--simple SIP query directly to the server) 16:14 tcohen (where the matching words ARE th esame as in the second search) 16:13 tcohen (zero results in the first search vs. lots in the second) 16:13 tcohen ? 16:13 tcohen http://odo.biblio.unc.edu.ar/cgi-bin/koha/opac-search.pl?q=odontologÃa 16:13 tcohen http://odo.biblio.unc.edu.ar/cgi-bin/koha/opac-search.pl?q=odontologà 16:13 tcohen has anyone experienced this behaviour? 16:11 rhcl We have two systems that use it...Userful and our Bluesocket wireless controller. I can test on userful pretty easily...gimme a sec 16:07 wizzyrea put a % on the end of a patron barcode and see if it authenticates (or does yours use opac login?) 16:06 wizzyrea can you test this for me 16:06 wizzyrea aha 16:04 rhcl 3.01.00.145 16:02 wizzyrea do you also 3.2 beta? 16:02 rhcl I SIP 15:53 wizzyrea any SIP users about? 15:43 munin chris_n: Error: The "Later" plugin is loaded, but there is no command named "list" in it. Try "list Later" to see the commands in the "Later" plugin. 15:43 chris_n @later list 15:43 owen I wonder how many other messages munin is waiting in vain to deliver 15:43 * jwagner visualizes chris_n's message sitting out there in lonely oblivion, waiting for a ciat user.... 15:42 owen Whenever ciat logs on he/she is going to be confused. 15:42 chris_n tnx, jwagner 15:42 munin chris_n: The operation succeeded. 15:42 chris_n @later tell cait holds are handled separately: maxoutstanding 15:42 jwagner chris_n, you misspelled cait 15:39 munin chris_n: The operation succeeded. 15:39 chris_n @later tell ciat holds are handled separately: maxoutstanding 15:39 chris_n opps 15:39 chris_n kf: holds are handled separately: maxoutstanding 15:26 kf bye all 15:19 kf chris_n: but I am a bit crazy ;) 15:16 kf chris_n: and perhaps make it configurable for separate borrower categories and libraries too 15:15 kf chris_n: I would evenl ike to make it more granular, have the ability to make holds separate too 15:15 kf chris_n: I think a more granular approach is better 15:10 jcamins Good morning. 15:10 jcamins_a chris_n: reserve books... even if you have fines that should prevent renewals, you still need to be able to check out in-library reserve books. 15:09 chris_n it seems the opacfinenorenewals and noissuescharge could be safely combined 15:08 blaker kf: thank you very much this is exactly what i was looking for 15:07 kf blaker: in the circulation rules you combine borrower categories and item types and set the rules for those combinations, loan period, how many renewals (in 3.2), fine etc. 15:06 kf blaker: its in circulation rules, not on ptron categories 15:06 owen Sorry, watching with just one eye 15:06 chris_n owen: these deal with $ 15:06 kf chris_n: not allow renewals, but login into account and no new checkouts 15:05 owen too many renewals, a hold on the item 15:05 * chris_n wonders what sort of situation would dictate denying renewals, but allowing new loans 15:05 blaker hello guys, i've got a couple of patron categories defined respectively as student and teacher. i want to restrict some items to be "teacher check out only". what's the simplest most sensible way to do this? i feel like i'm just missing something somewhere in the patron categories because that sounds like what it was built for 15:04 chris_n thanks, kf 15:04 kf chris_n: I searched for fine in the sys pref editor 15:04 chris_n ahh... noissuescharge... found it 15:02 chris_n seems inconsistent 15:02 chris_n opacfinerenewals only disallows renewals and not new loans.... 15:01 chris_n where is noissuecharge located? 15:01 kf have not tested the last one, it's new in 3.2 15:01 kf and you can set opacfinenorenewals just to make sure ;) 15:00 kf noissuecharge will prevent checkout, maxoutstanding opac login 15:00 * chris_n grips very briefly about the confusing array of choices 15:00 kf perhaps all of them 15:00 kf hm 15:00 chris_n kf: so the proper combination for denying privileges for patrons with over $5.00 in fines is? 14:59 hdl should be #4055 sent from nahuel 14:58 kf chris_n: it's not setting the debarred flag, but a dynamic thing 14:58 kf chris_n: maxoutstanding, noissuecharge, OPACFineNoRenewals 14:57 kf chris_n: different for renewals, checkout etc. 14:57 kf chris_n: there are many limits 14:55 owen hdl: But not in 3.2? 14:55 sekjal sorry, got my numbers reversed earlier 14:55 sekjal it is 14:54 owen 2142 I think is the same as 4430 14:54 hdl iirc. 14:54 munin 04Bug http://bugs.koha-community.org/bugzilla3/show_bug.cgi?id=2142 critical, P2, ---, gmcharlt, NEW, maxItemsInSearchResults No longer used 14:54 sekjal ah, it was bug 2142 14:54 hdl owen: patch is already in 3.0 for maximum number of allowed hold 14:54 * chris_n reminds everyone to tag regression bugs with the regression keyword 14:53 sekjal thought it was a much earlier number, though 14:53 sekjal owen: 4045 looks like one you mentioned earlier... special prize for fixing it before 3.2 and all... 14:51 * chris_n wonders if that sort of limit is even an option currently 14:49 munin 04Bug http://bugs.koha-community.org/bugzilla3/show_bug.cgi?id=4430 normal, P5, ---, gmcharlt, NEW, Staff Results Display Showing Wrong Numbers 14:49 munin 04Bug http://bugs.koha-community.org/bugzilla3/show_bug.cgi?id=4045 critical, P5, ---, gmcharlt, NEW, No check for maximum number of allowed holds. 14:49 owen Ah, hdl the other bugs I'm watching are Bug 4045 and Bug 4430 14:48 chris_n which syspref determines the max fine a patron can have before being debarred? 14:48 * owen fails to find any of the emails he's looking for 14:44 * wizzyrea has to go away for a bit 14:43 wizzyrea the selection for branch should not be hidden 14:43 wizzyrea at the very very least 14:43 wizzyrea for us too 14:43 wizzyrea that's a biggie 14:43 wizzyrea oh yea 14:42 * owen is looking for his notes on the others 14:42 munin 04Bug http://bugs.koha-community.org/bugzilla3/show_bug.cgi?id=4945 major, P5, ---, kyle.m.hall, NEW, Patron search is limited by default to the currently logged-in library 14:42 owen Bug 4945 is one 14:41 hdl yes 14:40 owen hdl: Which are blockers for us? 14:40 hdl owen: wich ones ? 14:40 jwagner I've had fun before. That wasn't it.... 14:37 chris_n they say time flies when you're having fun :-) 14:34 jwagner Sure feels like a long time ago. Oh, wait, it was.... 14:34 chris_n VAX... now we're getting back in time 14:32 jwagner It was a quantum leap in technology when we migrated from LIS on the PDP 11/84 to LIS on a VAX 64 :-) From room-sized minicomputer to a desktop machine. Imagine that!!! 14:31 chris_n nice catch chris 14:31 jwagner I think Georgetown stopped developing/supporting LIS about the time we migrated to Unicorn. 14:31 rhcl_away One of the UG's I dabble in is installing VistA for a free medical clininc in KC 14:31 rhcl_away No, I understand, just that your MUMPS reference made me think of VistA 14:30 jwagner rhcl_away, no, not VistA -- it was called LIS. Specially tailored for medical libraries 14:30 rhcl_away VistA <- runs on top of MUMPS http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/MUMPS 14:30 owen schuster: There are still a couple of bugs that are blockers for us 14:29 rhcl_away jwagner: Ah VistA! http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/VistA 14:29 owen No 14:28 schuster owen are you in production on 3.2? 14:28 schuster Didn't we just have that discussion? 14:28 schuster Thanks smarty pants... owen... 14:26 owen You can do that in 3.2 schuster 14:26 schuster I just want to make sure there isn't a way to move a copy of a book from one biblio to another without deleting and readding. 14:22 tcohen which are found searching for 'metodolog' but not with 'metodologÃa' 14:22 tcohen I'm having some issues with words ending with Ãa in some installs 14:21 tcohen hi, does anyone remember *where* does zebra control word truncation? 14:21 schuster I hear ruby on rails and wonders how much that costs! 14:18 * magnus thought mumps was some kind of disease or something... 14:14 jwagner My first ILS system was one written by Georgetown University for medical libraries. Written in MUMPS, running on a PDP 11/84. Now that had some interesting command line experiences.... 14:07 schuster Ah yes the old Dynix Classic... What a dream system... except people hated the dot commands... except me! 13:56 magnus imp: yeah, the lurning curve is steep, but once you know your way around you can work really fast 13:55 imp (at least sometimes ;) 13:55 imp magnus: cli interfaces are nice :) 13:44 magnus the librarian interface for bibsys, the main system for norwegian academic libraries, is actually telnet-like... 13:44 * jwagner remembers working with a punch card system. Is I old??? 13:44 jwagner punch cards! That's the wave of the future!!! 13:43 magnus hehe 13:42 owen yeah, we should go back to developing Koha as a telnet-based system. 13:41 * magnus gives the whole interwebs malarkey another year before people start loosing interest 13:38 owen :P 13:38 schuster hmmm... kinda like RSS. 13:35 * owen wonders if tag clouds aren't old-fashioned now 13:23 schuster That's why I sit way back from my monitor. 13:23 schuster Throwing rolls of coins would be rude... Had a library system friend once that wanted the auto hand installed on the monitors so when the library staff did something stupid it would reach out and slap thme. 13:21 * owen wouldn't want to accept payment in rolls of quarters that way 13:21 magnus owen: of course, i was thinking coins... 13:21 schuster Large monetary bills or some I think work for chocolate or cookies actually. 13:21 * owen considers it very polite! Bills preferred, naturally 13:21 schuster Only if they accept(!:) 13:20 magnus schuster: are you sure throwing money at programmers is considered polite? ;-) 13:18 schuster OK off to do other things and will wait calmly for the 3.2 release. I hope everyone has a great day. Happy Tuesday in America! 13:18 kf owen: thought so, thank you 13:17 owen kf: No 13:17 kf do we? I can't think of an example 13:17 schuster Unfortunately - I have to work through my vendor and can't just ask and pay someone. 13:17 kf oh, a coworker asked me today if we use a plugin to make text boxes grow automatically 13:17 owen kf: I pick and choose my battles :) 13:17 schuster I know I can't "help" but I could possibly throw some money at a programmer for things that are important to me... 13:16 * kf thinks owen is very smart 13:16 * owen is not included 13:16 owen schuster: It's fine to say "we could help," but really there are only a select few of us smart enough to tackle the really tough problems. 13:16 schuster Just food for thought for the next release managers... A wiki page or something that could list things the RM is concerned about or working on... 13:15 schuster If the community could understand that maybe we could help. 13:14 schuster I just know that people are probably anticipating 3.2 release some are actually using it live - so what's holding up a full release? 13:14 gmcharlt schuster: it's a free channel 13:13 schuster ok I'm going to stop so gmcharlt won't fret over my questions. 13:13 kf so schuster is not wrong here, there are a lot of blockers - I really appreciate your looking at old bugs owen 13:13 kf owen: yep, but some bugs can not be addressed by the reporters and perhaps get kind of lost in bugzilla 13:13 gmcharlt thanks 13:12 Braedon good luck gmcharlt, try to sleep soon 13:12 owen kf: There are certainly non-blocker bugs that are blockers to *me* 13:12 schuster Sleep... oh wishes he could go back to bed after being up only 2 hours. 13:12 Braedon kf: thanks 13:12 kf Braedon: sleep well 13:12 * Braedon is on his way to bed, honest 13:11 * Braedon marvels at schuster's preemption skills 13:11 kf schuster: I think a lot of annoying things ar not blockers, blockers are for loss of data 13:11 kf schuster: we have bugzilla... 13:11 schuster I know we have bugzilla, but there are LOTS of bugs there, but from my understanding only blockers hold up a release. 13:11 Braedon schuster: wouldn't that be the blocker's list? 13:10 kf not wanting to ruffle feathers 13:10 schuster Wonders if there would be a way for the community to see/track things that the RM is seeing as a problem so the community could step up and help. More of a list of things that need addressing. 13:10 kf me too 13:08 schuster Didn't mean to ruffle feathers, just asking a question. 13:08 Braedon adiós #koha 13:08 * Braedon is off to bed (sorry to rub it in gmcharlt) 13:07 schuster Sorry about that and hope you have a chance for sleep in the VERY near future. 13:07 kf Braedon: feels like that :) 13:07 * Braedon hands gmcharlt a defibrillator 13:07 owen :D 13:07 * jwagner hands gmcharlt some concentrated caffeine... 13:06 Braedon gmcharlt was standing right behind kf all along... 13:06 * kf hands gmcharlt some hot chocolate 13:06 magnus ouch 13:06 gmcharlt but as thus far I've been up for 28 hours straight with no end in sight, not today 13:06 munin 04Bug http://bugs.koha-community.org/bugzilla3/show_bug.cgi?id=4310 blocker, PATCH-Sent, ---, henridamien, NEW, No Migration for budgets from 3.0 to 3.2 13:06 magnus last time i asked chris, he thought the main blocker was bug 4310 13:05 * kf jumps 13:05 gmcharlt patch tests out OK, so it'll go ing, rotathign collections will go out, and 3.2 will go out as well 13:05 kf and work already started for 3.4 13:05 kf yep 13:05 jwagner The code freeze for 3.2 was the first week of September, a year ago.... 13:04 kf not sure what the result was 13:04 kf I asked gmcharlt about the timeline some days ago, he told me he would look at Colin's patch for the acq blocker 13:03 kf and for some of them there are no patches at all yet 13:03 * magnus agrees 13:03 kf but those problems are in bugzilla - most of them over my head and we don't know what will make it into 3.2 13:03 kf I agree too 13:02 schuster ++ 13:02 * owen agrees 13:02 * Braedon 's two cents - fix later is bad. When i was deploying 3.0.6 over the summer there were a few really blatantly broken things that IMO should just not have been there. It can give a really bad impression. You can add a feature later. It is much harder to remove a bad impression from a broken feature 13:02 schuster not to be snooty, just curious. 13:02 * owen doesn't know 13:02 schuster Has there been any more discussion about a timeline for 3.2? Seems every time I ask we are 2 weeks out or when this or that gets fixed. What's holding it up? 13:01 schuster ah. 13:01 owen I worry that rotating collections won't get pulled from 3.2 and we'll be releasing a buggy new feature 13:00 schuster owen worry about what? 12:58 kf but I think we must get 3.2 out, and fix some things later 12:58 kf or some acq bugs 12:58 kf like singlebranchmode not working :( 12:57 kf regressions 12:57 kf there are worse 12:57 kf ok, this sounds not nice, but I don't think rotating collections is our main problem 12:56 owen I just don't want to see a buggy feature in 3.2. 12:56 kf worry? 12:55 owen At this point I'm starting to worry. 12:53 kf better not include this one in the feature list :) 12:53 kf good to know - preparing a presentation for next week about 3.2 now 12:53 kf oh 12:52 owen I had started to work on fixing up the templates for it but stopped based on that information. 12:51 owen gmcharlt said quite a while ago they would be removed because the feature was too buggy 12:51 kf owen: why should they get yanked? bad bug? 12:39 * owen wonders if rotating collections are really going to get yanked from 3.2 as previously promised 12:33 jwagner Hi kf 12:32 kf hi owen and jwagner 12:15 owen Hi folks 12:15 magnus good morning usa'ians! 12:12 Nate morning jwagner! 12:12 jwagner Hi Nate 12:12 Nate Hello #koha! 08:29 magnus hi Amit 08:29 Amit Hi Koha Help, magnus 08:28 magnus hi KohaHelp 08:28 chris hi 08:27 KohaHelp hello 08:17 magnus cool 08:14 chris thats the town hall, in that video, thats where the conference is .. but we are upstairs 08:14 magnus good starting point! ;-) 08:13 chris they are one of the best bands i have ever seen live, because they love what they do 08:12 magnus re-listening to that track now, guess not... 08:12 chris http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=SblTKIZoInI is one of my faves 08:11 chris just as well its not reggae then hehe ;) 08:10 magnus i think i just found one track on spotify... reagge isn't really my cup of tea, though... 08:08 chris http://www.wotzon.com/eventlisting.php?event_id=5026963 08:07 chris magnus: have you listened to trinity roots? 08:06 chris hmm 08:05 chris heh 08:05 darling they talk pretty funny here 08:05 darling listening to http://www.radionz.co.nz/ will help 08:04 magnus yeah, it's just 1 month until we touch down in auckland! 08:04 kf magnus: training for nz? :) 08:02 magnus ta 08:00 chris you can use it here, but yeah its much more australian 07:54 kf hi chris 07:53 magnus or is that more of an australian salutation? 07:50 magnus g'day chris 07:50 chris hi kf and magnus 05:51 cait hi kmkale :) 05:49 kmkale Hi cait 05:00 CGI453 Could any one point me to a good set of download and install instructions? 04:59 CGI453 hb 04:59 kmkale brb 04:48 kmkale Hi Amit 04:46 Amit heya kmkale 04:29 kmkale how are you? 04:29 kmkale hi chris 04:23 chris hi kmkale 04:20 kmkale s/god/good 04:20 kmkale god morning all 03:06 Amit heya brendan_l 03:06 brendan_l heya amit 03:05 chris heya Amit 03:05 Amit heya chris