Time Nick Message 00:06 aarkerio HI! I can add a book to my cart but I don't see the "Check out" option 00:06 aarkerio need I change some permission to teacher rol ? 00:10 aarkerio I added the book to my Cart 00:47 irma hi all 00:50 wasabi heya irma 00:53 irma heya wassabi :) 00:59 brendan hello all :) 02:06 brendan @wunder 93117 02:06 munin brendan: The current temperature in Northwest Goleta, Goleta, California is 17.1�C (7:04 PM PDT on September 06, 2010). Conditions: Haze. Humidity: 75%. Dew Point: 13.0�C. Pressure: 29.75 in 1007.3 hPa (Steady). 03:05 Amit heya chris 05:04 cait hi #koha 05:20 cait @wunder Konstanz 05:20 munin cait: The current temperature in Konstanz, Germany is 12.0�C (7:00 AM CEST on September 07, 2010). Conditions: Light Rain. Humidity: 93%. Dew Point: 11.0�C. Pressure: 29.77 in 1008 hPa (Falling). 06:45 chris Evening 06:56 magnus Morning ;-) 07:05 kf good morning #koha 11:02 * kf shares some chocolate cookies 11:43 magnus thanks! 11:55 kf hi magnus :) 11:55 kf it was a trap... was feeling lonely ;) 11:55 magnus hiya kf - i was trapped then ;-) 11:56 * magnus is trying to wrap his head around sparql 11:58 kf semantic web sparql? 11:59 magnus yup 12:24 owen Hi #koha 12:25 magnus hi owen 12:29 * owen wonders if slef got any response to his NISO CORE proporsal 12:34 nengard hi all 12:41 * owen googles NEFLIN 12:41 schuster WELCOME BACK owen! 12:41 owen Thanks schuster 12:44 kf hi owen and schuster 12:47 kf NEFLIN reminds me of GREMLINs 12:48 * kf googles now too to find out if she said something really stupid 12:49 owen Librarians love their acronyms 12:49 kf at least you can say neflin 13:02 nengard reminder: send me koha newsletter articles/tips/tricket/news/ etc ASAP! 13:05 jcamins Good morning, #koha 13:07 kf hi jcamins 13:19 schuster nengard - I just sent you an email about quick spine label setup - use it or not... 13:21 nengard thanks schuster! 13:23 nengard login nengard indigo 13:23 nengard hmmm 13:23 magnus oops? 13:24 nengard was testing something ... oh well 13:26 nengard time to go teach koha 13:26 nengard be back later 13:59 magnus kf++ # for signing off on a patch ;-) 14:06 kf thx magnus :) 14:13 wizzyrea chris_n: about? 14:13 wizzyrea lol, nm, list consultation fail. 14:13 kf hi wizzyrea 14:13 * chris_n greets wizzyrea 14:13 wizzyrea ... 14:13 wizzyrea double list consultation fail. 14:13 wizzyrea :) 14:14 wizzyrea have you ever seen a message like this re: the label maker? 14:14 wizzyrea http://screencast.com/t/OTM4Y2NkN 14:14 wizzyrea and good morning everybody 14:15 chris_n interesting, but no 14:20 moodaepo @wunder 56001 14:20 munin moodaepo: The current temperature in MSU Physics Dept, Mankato, Minnesota is 12.5�C (9:21 AM CDT on September 07, 2010). Conditions: Overcast. Humidity: 87%. Dew Point: 10.0�C. Pressure: 28.81 in 975.5 hPa (Rising). Wind Advisory in effect until 3 PM CDT this afternoon... 14:20 jcamins chris_n: yesterday someone reported getting Koha 3.something to run under Windows. 14:20 wizzyrea that is a special sort of insanity 14:21 chris_n jcamins: I saw that, but wasn't he asking "how to" rather? 14:21 * chris_n has a perfectly fine working install of 3.whatever on XP at home 14:21 chris_n and lots of gray hair to show for it :-) 14:22 chris_n 3.1.x that is 14:22 jcamins I don't think so. I understood him to be reporting that he had gotten it working, and was wondering why there didn't seem to be much about successfully running Koha on Windows. 14:22 jcamins Of course, I may have been mistaken. 14:23 chris_n on second read, it seems you're right 14:23 kf jcamins: I think he was asking where to put a tutorial for installing under windoes 14:23 chris_n as I say, it's not impossible 14:23 chris_n just impractical 14:23 kf is someone subscribed tot he win-32 list? 14:24 jcamins Not me. I had enough trouble getting Koha to run under FreeBSD. 14:24 jcamins I want nothing to do with Win32. 14:24 kf :) 14:24 kf I can understand that 14:24 jcamins Heck, I have enough trouble with Koha under Debian! 14:25 kf chris_n: can you perhaps take a look at bug 4904? I think it's a double encoding problem and send a patch for it... 14:25 munin 04Bug http://bugs.koha-community.org/bugzilla3/show_bug.cgi?id=4904 major, PATCH-Sent, ---, katrin.fischer, ASSIGNED, Problem with printing fines in overdue notices 14:25 wizzyrea I tried to install it once on OpenBSD 14:25 kf but nobody else has my problem :( 14:25 wizzyrea then again on OSX 14:25 kf chris_n: perhaps you can confirm that my patch will not break something 14:25 jcamins wizzyrea: Both of those sound excessively challenging. 14:26 wizzyrea then I did it successfully on ubuntu :P 14:26 wizzyrea they were excessively challenging 14:26 chris_n kf: I'll try to take a look later today or tomorrow for you 14:27 kf that would be great, thank you 14:29 jcamins Are the web standard police going to come and arrest me for ignoring the fact that we use <br/>s (a lot of them) in OpacMainUserBlock? 14:32 kf the web standard police? 14:32 kf :) 14:33 wizzyrea jcamins: you could just wrap your blocks in <p> 14:36 wizzyrea we did something kind of clever 14:36 wizzyrea we made an install of portable firefox for use with the NEKLS koha install 14:36 wizzyrea so that we can tie it to the receipt printer and still let "big" firefox use whatever printer it likes 14:36 jcamins wizzyrea: We do that too. But it looks kind of like this <p>First paragraph</p><br/><br/><br/></br><p>Second paragraph</p><br/><br/><br/><hr/><br/><p>Third paragraph</p> 14:37 jcamins Yeah, I've been thinking that might be a good idea. 14:37 wizzyrea I don't recommend prism 14:37 wizzyrea it's a pita 15:04 kf bye all 15:04 jcamins Woohoo! LLC name has seemingly been fixed! 15:32 aarkerio Hi! I am newbie in Koha. I importes a MARC and the create an Item. In OPAC I can found the book but 15:33 aarkerio how can I ask for borrow it? 15:34 aarkerio I mean in OPAC interface 15:34 jcamins aarkerio: You can only check out books from the staff interface. 15:35 aarkerio mmmm, so if I add a book to my cart is for buy it? 15:36 jcamins No, Koha is a library system, not an ecommerce system. 15:36 aarkerio then what I do with items in my cart? 15:37 wizzyrea put holds on them 15:37 aarkerio I can add the book to my cart 15:37 wizzyrea right. It's mostly for your reference, so you can keep track of books you might want to check out 15:37 wizzyrea adn you can place holds on the books in your cart so the library staff can pull them and have them ready for you 15:38 aarkerio ok, in OPAC I can see "my summary" tab 15:38 aarkerio and "Checked Out" text, what I am checking out? 15:39 wizzyrea that is a list of items that library staff has checked out for you (issued) 15:39 wizzyrea (charged) 15:39 aarkerio or if I as student found a book, what is the next step? go to desk and show my library card to staff? 15:39 wizzyrea yes 15:40 aarkerio so, staff go to "Patrons", found the user and made the checkout? 15:41 owen Staff go to "Circulation," find the user (or scan their library card) and make the checkout 15:42 aarkerio mm, cool! 15:43 aarkerio I see "Enter item barcode" but I don't have any, can I type ISBN manually? 15:43 wizzyrea o, that's rough. 15:44 aarkerio mmm, or number item? 15:46 aarkerio mm, how can I create the barcodes for books? "Cataloging" 15:50 aarkerio this is too old: http://www.kohadocs.org/usersguide/ch01s04.html right? 15:51 owen Yes 15:51 owen http://koha-community.org/documentation/ 15:52 owen Cataloging -> Search for your book -> Add/Edit items/holdings 15:58 aarkerio thanks! 15:58 cait hi #koha 15:58 aarkerio in "p - Barcode" y see tree dots "..." 15:59 cait it means a plugin can be linked to this field - there is a sys pref for barcode generation, I think it does not work until you turn it on 16:00 aarkerio hi cait, is barcode an external plugin? 16:01 cait you can link so called plugins to fields in cataloging 16:01 cait perl files, but they come with koha 16:01 cait so not really external 16:01 cait the ... indicate there is one linked to the field 16:02 cait if you want to generate barcodes try to turn on the syspref 16:03 aarkerio ok, I will print the PDF, thanks all for your patience!! 16:06 chris_n owen++ # for helping me teach my librarian's to fish 16:07 owen Sorry, tell 'em to get their butts back in the library! 16:07 * owen fears his exclusive fishing blog has been discovered 16:07 chris_n hehe 16:07 cait link? ;) 17:06 rhcl Anybody else have problems with disappearing names? sekjal thinks possibly related to uppercasesurnames system preference. 17:07 rhcl http://www.screencast.com/t/ZTJmZWIz 17:08 jcamins Wow, that's really weird. 17:09 jcamins Never encountered it, sorry. 17:09 cait we dont use the uppercasename pref and never had problems so far 17:14 rhcl turning off uppercasesurnames system preference fixes the problem 17:19 rhcl hey munin, fetch me bug 5148 17:19 munin 04Bug http://bugs.koha-community.org/bugzilla3/show_bug.cgi?id=5148 normal, P5, ---, gmcharlt, NEW, Definition with surname won't work 17:22 owen-away rhcl: Turning on uppercasesurnames is what leads to the problem? 17:24 rhcl yes, if you turn on that syspref, the problem appears, turn it off and it disappears 17:25 rhcl I guess I should file a bug report. 17:26 owen rhcl: Yes, I'd say that's a pretty bug clue right there :) 17:27 rhcl bug 5201 17:27 munin 04Bug http://bugs.koha-community.org/bugzilla3/show_bug.cgi?id=5201 major, P5, ---, kyle.m.hall, NEW, Patron last name dropped when record edited 17:27 jcamins Is there any way to merge authorities in the Staff client? 18:16 wizzyrea can someone verify that publication/acquisition date sorting is working in 3.2? 18:16 wizzyrea int he opac 18:16 wizzyrea pretty please 18:16 owen publication and acquisition sorts are very different 18:17 wizzyrea yep 18:17 owen I've never trusted Koha's publication date sort, but have usually found the acquisition sort to work well 18:17 wizzyrea the pubdate sort is as good as the data you give it > gigo 18:17 owen Right 18:17 wizzyrea but since acqdate is system generated it works better 18:17 owen Unfortunately for our garbage-filled catalog 18:17 wizzyrea < same 18:19 owen Ah, do you mean "working" as in, "doesn't just redirect you to the advanced search page?" 18:19 wizzyrea well, lol, no 18:19 wizzyrea I was wondering if the sort actually, you know, sorted. 18:20 wizzyrea (i recognize it's hard to tell with pubdate) 18:20 owen I don't even get results, I get sent back to the advanced search screen 18:20 wizzyrea EW 18:20 jcamins We don't have any acquisition dates, and our database is too full of garbage to be of use. 18:20 jcamins (for testing pubdate searching) 18:20 cait pub date sorting or searching? 18:20 wizzyrea sorting and searching 18:21 cait we have pretty good data for pub date 18:21 cait let me check 18:21 jcamins I meant sorting, not searching, sorry. 18:21 owen wizzyrea: Specifically, I can't *re-sort* from the results screen. I can specify a sort from the advanced search form and get sorted results 18:22 wizzyrea hmm. my 3.2 seems to allow that but I dont have the newest patches 18:22 wizzyrea if there are any 18:22 jcamins pubdate search works on my demo catalog. 18:22 wizzyrea though 18:22 cait looks ok to me in 3.1.161 18:22 owen Anyone remember what Koha is looking at for the pubdate sort? 18:23 cait yep 18:23 cait ah, sort 18:23 cait no 18:23 jcamins Something that makes me weep every time I remember. 18:23 cait search is one of the coded fields, 007 008 one of those 18:24 wizzyrea http://screencast.com/t/MDFiZmFlMTU 18:24 jcamins What version is HEAD at? 18:24 owen 3.01.00.145 is what I'm seeing 18:24 cait wizzyrea: have you checked the coded fields of those records? 18:25 wizzyrea well I'm actually wondering if it's a case of GIGO 18:25 cait yeah, I meant 61 :( 18:25 jcamins Okay, that's what I have too. 18:25 jcamins Oh. 18:25 jcamins Good. 18:25 wizzyrea now that I'm looking at it 18:25 cait GIGO? 18:25 wizzyrea garbage in, garbage out 18:25 jcamins I was just worrying that I had done something bad to my formerly-at-HEAD installation. 18:25 wizzyrea as in, you give it bad data, who knows what you'll get out 18:25 wizzyrea ;) 18:26 cait ah 18:26 cait thx :) 18:31 jcamins Has anyone used FastCGI with Koha, successfully? 18:36 * owen does not love Perl's "something's wrong" warning 18:37 nengard LOL 18:37 nengard k 18:38 jcamins nengard: training? Hi librarians! 18:38 nengard jcamins - nope that's done :) 18:38 nengard but thanks for saying hi anyway :) hehe 18:38 jcamins Oh, well, you can pass my greetings on when you see them next. :) 18:43 jcamins If I wanted to link, say, 690 fields to authorities, could I do it? 18:44 jcamins Hm. 18:44 jcamins It would seem it is linked to the authorities. Never mind. 19:49 chris morning 19:49 * chris is catching up on emails before heading off to do some more training 19:55 jcamins There must be quite a story behind the insecure syspref. 19:58 chris jcamins: automated testing 19:58 jcamins Ah. 19:58 jcamins Okay, that makes sense. 19:58 chris if you want to run 50000 issues through the system 19:58 chris using curl or the like, its easier to bring it up on a local interface, with insecure set 19:58 chris and hammer it 20:07 cait morning chris 20:07 chris hiya cait 20:07 cait :) 20:07 cait what do you train? koha? 20:08 chris yeah, opac, members and circulation today 20:08 cait cool :) 20:08 wizzyrea ooh 20:08 owen Anyone else worry about the fact that the opac displays patron first and last name on comments? 20:08 chris http://www.stuff.co.nz/national/canterbury-earthquake/4105730/Quake-Major-aftershock-hits-Canterbury 20:08 cait owen: hm yes 20:09 chris http://geonet.org.nz/earthquake/drums/mqz-drum.html 20:09 owen wizzyrea: You've got comments enabled, do your patrons use it? 20:11 wizzyrea hardly at all 20:11 wizzyrea chris: oh my@ 20:11 Braedon chris: there was a geologist on the news last night saying the 5 aftershock the night before was definitely the biggest they would get. Thought it was a risky statement at the time. 20:12 chris yeah 20:12 * owen is trying to fix Bug 4473, thus thinking about opac comments 20:12 munin 04Bug http://bugs.koha-community.org/bugzilla3/show_bug.cgi?id=4473 enhancement, P5, ---, oleonard, NEW, Recent comments view for the OPAC 20:12 chris usually there is one, that is 1 magnitude less, hopefully that was it 20:12 chris or there isnt going to be much christchurch left 20:12 wizzyrea omgosh, that security video of the quake in a supermarket is wild 20:13 cait :( 20:13 wizzyrea :( indeed 20:15 wizzyrea these videos are so sad. :( 20:15 chris ok better go get ready, bbl 20:26 wizzyrea bug 5203 20:26 munin 04Bug http://bugs.koha-community.org/bugzilla3/show_bug.cgi?id=5203 minor, P5, ---, cnighswonger, NEW, Creating a label template causes fatal error if description field is empty 20:28 cait bed time 20:28 cait bye all 20:33 jcamins Is there some convenient jquery that can add a choice to the Advanced Search screen? 20:34 wizzyrea owen's the real expert, but go ahead and ask 20:34 wizzyrea what are you specifically trying to add? 20:34 jcamins Auction date, in this case. 20:34 wizzyrea is that indexed? 20:34 jcamins Oh, let me try that question again with the key word included: 20:35 wizzyrea I mean, can you limit by that at all anyway? 20:35 jcamins On our catalog you can. 20:35 jcamins adate: 20:35 jcamins Ideally, it should be an option in the dropdowns with "Keywords," etc. 20:35 wizzyrea so your query would be like opac-search.pl?idx=kw&q=twilight&sort_by=pubdate_dsc&adate=<somedate> 20:35 jcamins Right. 20:36 wizzyrea hm. lessee. 20:37 Braedon twilight? Don't tell me you are one of THOSE people wizzyrea :P 20:37 wizzyrea no, it's just a search that 1. always has items and 2. has lots of them and 3. has lots of holds 20:37 wizzyrea so it's ez to test with 20:37 wizzyrea ;) 20:38 Braedon haha 20:38 Braedon fair enough 20:38 jcamins I think someone was talking about doing this back before I knew what jquery was. 20:38 wizzyrea $("select[name='idx']") would get you the select dropdown 20:38 wizzyrea now... adding the option... 20:38 wizzyrea (I think) 20:39 wizzyrea http://stackoverflow.com/questions/317095/how-do-i-add-options-to-a-dropdownlist-using-jquery 20:39 wizzyrea might help 20:39 jcamins Ah. Nifty. Thanks! 20:40 Braedon what would we do without stackoverflow? 20:40 Braedon or rather, what did we do before stackoverflow 20:40 jcamins Woohoo! It works! 20:40 jcamins wizzyrea++ 20:40 wizzyrea ^.^ 20:40 jcamins Ooh! It even works on the basic search screen! 20:40 wizzyrea thank teh googlez 20:41 wizzyrea :) 20:41 Braedon thanks be to our overlords 20:41 Braedon they provide us with the answers 20:41 jcamins :) 20:41 Braedon and only ask of us our souls 20:42 jcamins Speak for yourself. 20:42 Braedon :P 20:42 richard wizzyrea: just noticed there isn't a link to the main koha list on http://koha-community.org/support/koha-mailing-lists/ 20:42 jcamins I live in New York City. ;) 20:43 richard there's a link to the katipo website but not to http://lists.katipo.co.nz/mailman/listinfo/koha 20:43 jcamins Time to close up. 20:43 jcamins Night, all. 20:44 Braedon fair thee well 20:44 wizzyrea richard: http://screencast.com/t/MzRkNzkxMWI 20:45 wizzyrea :) 20:45 wizzyrea now, that may not be entirely clear. 20:45 richard ah 20:45 richard didn't actually notice the link 20:46 wizzyrea you bring up a good point though, that it could be clearer 22:08 brendan @wunder 93117 22:08 munin brendan: The current temperature in Northwest Goleta, Goleta, California is 20.5�C (3:04 PM PDT on September 07, 2010). Conditions: Overcast. Humidity: 70%. Dew Point: 15.0�C. Pressure: 29.86 in 1011.1 hPa (Falling). 23:05 chris *sigh* 23:07 jransom spam .... 23:07 chris yeah 23:07 chris did you get it? 23:08 jransom no 23:08 jransom did you 23:08 jransom actually i might have 23:08 jransom deleted it unread 23:08 chris had it forwarded to me 23:08 chris ill forward 23:08 * chris is in paeroa 23:08 chris training, but at tea break 23:08 wasabi 'Maria Thangaraj' ? 23:08 richard getting a photo of the big l&p bottle? 23:09 chris its tiny 23:09 chris ok back into it 23:09 wasabi ah, thats old spam of mine.. 23:10 wasabi chris, werk or holiday in paeroa? 23:11 jransom we should all register 23:11 chris work 23:11 jransom although space is very limited ... lol 23:11 chris hauraki go live in a few weeks 23:11 chris doing the staff traning now 23:12 chris well paul is doing the members, i just did opac 23:12 chris im back up after to do circulation 23:13 wasabi ahh, hauraki - good stuff 23:13 chris yeah going well 23:13 jransom thats great news 23:13 jransom how exciting :) 23:13 chris yup :) 23:14 jransom tell Paul I said hi 23:15 jransom what! 23:16 jransom you havn't done it yet ... 23:16 chris hey guys 23:16 jransom by golly :) 23:16 chris public logging 23:16 jransom Chris: ta 23:19 wasabi biab 23:31 chris hi LBA 23:33 mib_yjs7r Hello all 23:33 mib_yjs7r i need help with some basic stuff 23:33 mib_yjs7r koha express 23:34 chris is that a liblime product? we probably cant help with that, they are running a really old version of koha 23:34 chris but have a try, we might be able to 23:34 mib_yjs7r say a student has an overdue item, and I've set it up so that she receives an overdue notice -- is there a way to know if the notice has been sent? 23:35 chris in official koha yes, you can see that in the members screen 23:35 chris in the messaging or notices tab (on the left hand side) 23:35 chris not sure how the liblime fork looks anymore 23:36 chris mib_yjs7r: if you had db access you could also look at the message_queue table 23:36 mib_yjs7r which is where? 23:37 chris its in the database, do you get database access with liblime express? 23:38 mib_yjs7r I guess I don't 23:38 chris mib_yjs7r: its useful to be aware that liblime are actively hostile to the community, and while we do our best to help their users, sometimes due to the fact they do things different to everyone else we cant 23:39 chris if you go to the staff interface 23:39 chris and do a search for the borrower 23:39 chris and get to the details page 23:39 chris yell out when you get there :) 23:40 mib_yjs7r in the borrower's account there is a "messaging" tab 23:40 mib_yjs7r but it does nothing 23:41 chris is there a notices tab? 23:42 mib_yjs7r Nope 23:42 chris ok, in the url you see the borrower number? 23:43 chris take a note of that 23:43 chris the go to reports 23:43 chris choose create from sql 23:44 chris type into the sql box 23:44 LBA hi chris and all....just lurking 23:44 chris select * from message_queue where borrowernumber=the_number 23:44 chris save that, and then run that report 23:44 chris that sould hopefully tell you 23:45 mib_yjs7r ok, i'll try that... thanks! 23:46 mib_yjs7r never created or ran a sql report, hope i don't breake anything :-) 23:46 mib_yjs7r break 23:46 chris that should be fine :) 23:49 mib_yjs7r asks for a report name, notes, type 23:49 mib_yjs7r or should i have clicked on "build new"? 23:50 chris is there a link create from sql? 23:50 mib_yjs7r yes i clicked on it and asks for above 23:50 mib_yjs7r report name i guess i can name it whatever 23:50 chris put a name in then, and you can leave the others blank 23:51 mib_yjs7r i don't understand this part: "select * from message_queue where borrowernumber=the_number" 23:52 chris cut and paste that in, into the big box for sql 23:52 chris changing the_number to the number that you took a note of before 23:52 mib_yjs7r ok i guess that's the "notes:" box 23:52 chris no 23:52 chris (this is what i mean by being hard, this is different to koha, in koha there is a box called sql) 23:54 mib_yjs7r there is no sql box, just a box that says "notes:" to the upper left 23:54 chris maybe there is another screen after 23:55 chris try putting it in the notes 23:55 chris cant hurt :) 23:55 mib_yjs7r sorry 23:56 mib_yjs7r i saw the sql box! 23:56 mib_yjs7r i guess i'm blind 23:56 chris :) 23:56 mib_yjs7r ok i saved it 23:57 chris cool 23:57 chris try running it now 23:57 mib_yjs7r now how do I run it? :p 23:57 chris go back to reports, choose use saved 23:58 mib_yjs7r i notice there are some reports saved alreadt 23:58 mib_yjs7r i guess the liblime people created them 23:59 mib_yjs7r should i download as comma or tab separated text? 23:59 wasabi mib_yjs7r: you should ask your vendor to install php-myadmin on your koha-server 23:59 chris i wouldnt download them as either