Time  Nick       Message
22:53 chris      hi LBA
22:51 robin      larsw: watch out for the spiders. and jellyfish. and dropbears. and scorpians. and platapuses. and sharks. and australians. and snakes.
22:48 chris      larsw: it sure is, how is sydney?
21:57 larsw      chris, bip is nifty, isn't it?
20:56 hdl        Hi schuster
20:55 jo         there you go
20:55 jo         ah
20:55 chris      jo: everyon is in in #kohasubcom
20:54 jo         committee meeting in #kohacommittee
20:53 jo         hiya
20:52 hdl        hi jo
20:51 jo         just getting george in
20:51 jo         morning all
20:46 chris      hi hdl
20:44 hdl        Hi
20:40 joetho     342021
20:40 joetho     322011
20:40 joetho     3.2 by 2011
20:35 jcamins    Regardless, good night, #koha
20:35 jcamins    joetho: that sounds apocryphal.
20:34 joetho     the Kansas Attorney General once arrested people on an airliner passing over Kansas because they were breaking the stringent Kansas liquor laws.
20:28 richard    hi
20:19 chris      will be about 30 hours into the journey
20:19 chris      she might be about ready to throw the kids out at you by that point
20:19 chris      lax to pittsburgh, dunno where that goes
20:18 wizzyrea   she can wave in our general direction
20:18 wizzyrea   actually
20:18 wizzyrea   tell her to wave as she flies over kansas. Well, she probably won't
20:18 wizzyrea   about her trip
20:18 wizzyrea   oh right i forgot about that
20:18 chris      and twizzlers
20:18 wizzyrea   hehehe
20:18 chris      wizzyrea: laurel is off to the US next monday, so we wont need a huge peanut butter, and goldfish cracker supply, she will undoubtedly bring tons back :)
20:16 anitsirk   yummy. unfortunately, you can't bring the carob bars from a coop with you as they are not sealed but sold loose.
20:12 wizzyrea   goldfish crackers.
20:12 wizzyrea   and peanut butter. lol.
20:11 wizzyrea   aha, ty
20:11 chris      is the duty free allowance
20:11 chris      Liquor: Six bottles (4.5 litres) of wine, port or sherry or 12 cans (4.5 litres) of beer. Plus three bottles (or other containers) each containing no more than 1125mls of spirits, liqueur, or other spirituous beverages.
20:10 joetho     really. But no rutabega?
20:10 chris      you can bring as much as you want, but over a certain amount you have to pay duty
20:10 wizzyrea   a LOT
20:10 wizzyrea   since I owe him a lot of beer
20:10 * wizzyrea contemplates which of the fine local brews to pack to bring to chris ;)
20:10 wizzyrea   wooo!
20:10 chris      yes you can
20:09 joetho     but give the little guy his breakfast first.
20:09 wizzyrea   can I bring beer into NZ with me? Not that i'd need to, but say I wanted to bring *special* beer
20:09 chris      in about 8 hours time
20:09 joetho     Sure you are.
20:09 joetho     are you about ready for a nice cold beer?
20:09 joetho     hey Chris
20:08 chris      back
20:08 chris      heh
20:08 wizzyrea   hehe
20:08 joetho     <---round the clock coffee drinker
20:08 joetho     Chris and I have coffee together sometimes.
20:01 anitsirk   cool. sounds great. enjoy your coffe, chris.
20:00 chris      Right my stop, be back after coffee
19:58 chris      I should show you how I do that on your phone
19:57 * chris    is on the bus
19:55 chris      Ill see if we can get that upped
19:53 chris      Too many from the same ip
19:53 chris      Yeah I think I know why
19:52 anitsirk   hello chris and joetho. good morning. yep. got in early today. and as you can see, i can connect to the channel again. it wouldn't let me yesterday at all.
19:51 joetho     Hello Koha
19:42 chris      You are at work early
19:42 chris      Morning antisirk
19:41 jcamins    Whoops... looks like LC is having some encoding issues.
19:39 jcamins    Ah.
19:39 chris      Larsw put me on to it
19:39 chris      Naw the software I'm using to do irc proxy
19:39 jcamins    chris: Books-in-Print?
19:36 chris      Gotta love bip
19:33 LibraryGu  Cheeky
19:32 chris      Back from the bus stop
19:31 chris_n    LibraryGu: a reference to what chris was reading that wasabi wrote about
19:30 LibraryGu  chris_n: whose?
19:23 * wizzyrea nods
19:17 * chris_n  decries the advent of more stupidity
18:23 chris      no, its someones nickname, nothing to do with the live cd, i was just reading scrollback
18:22 LibraryGu  Oh Ubuntu?
18:22 LibraryGu  wasabi??
18:20 chris      wasabi++
18:20 gmcharlt   LibraryGu: yep, I imagine so
18:11 LibraryGu  I wonder if there will be a live install CD
18:10 LibraryGu  Oh cool.
18:08 gmcharlt   LibraryGu: awaiting a few final bug fixes
18:04 LibraryGu  How is progress on the 3.2 release?
18:04 LibraryGu  Hullo
17:28 jcamins    Does anyone happen to recall the standard for how tightly packed books should be on library shelves?
17:28 ivanc      tnks for all bye
16:52 sekjal     wizzyrea: correct.
16:52 wizzyrea   sekjal: thanks
16:52 wizzyrea   where title levels start out with NULL
16:52 sekjal     it's just universally 'a', or it's broken
16:52 wizzyrea   it looks to me like the only difference between an item level and a title level hold is that item levels start with an itemnumber
16:52 sekjal     wizzyrea: as far as I know, it's not used currently
16:52 wizzyrea   doesn't seem to
16:51 cait       wizzyrea: just guessing, show title level and item level holds?
16:51 wizzyrea   what does the constrainttype field in the reserves table denote?
16:37 mib_gjeh2  Thanks!
16:31 druthb     Most of our sites that use that feature use 7-10 days, mib_gjeh2.
16:29 mib_gjeh2  Just a quick one......any suggestion on the number of days to use when doing the cleanup of Zebraqueue?
16:19 jcamins    Good luck!
16:19 mib_gjeh2  will do......I shall let ye kind people know how I get on.......
16:18 jcamins    We had problems when our zebraqueue had 500k rows.
16:18 jcamins    Actually, use that to clean up the zebraqueue, too, while you're at it.
16:18 mib_gjeh2  I will take a look, sounds like it might be promising! - thanks!
16:18 jcamins    It's a Koha table.
16:18 mib_gjeh2  NICE!
16:18 jcamins    misc/cronjobs/cleanup_database.pl
16:17 mib_gjeh2  is it a system table or a koha table?
16:17 jcamins    No, it's persistent.
16:17 jcamins    I think there's a script that can do that for you.
16:17 mib_gjeh2  does it purge on reboot?
16:17 jcamins    That's what I was going to suggest.
16:17 jcamins    Yeah. Every single connection gets a row in the session table.
16:17 mib_gjeh2  Should I trunc it?
16:17 mib_gjeh2  session table?
16:17 mib_gjeh2  A while, we did reboot today though - no change. No big bibs (certainly none near 100 items attached)
16:16 wizzyrea   ^^
16:16 jcamins    I'm wondering if it could be the session table.
16:16 wizzyrea   do they all have lots of items on them? (lots = more than 100)
16:16 jcamins    mig_gjeh2: how long have you had the server running?
16:16 wizzyrea   the indexing should only affect the results
16:16 mib_gjeh2  It's any bib, not just one......all bibs take the same time to display
16:15 mib_gjeh2  Ah.....wondering about the index rebuild? Or the mysql preformance issues, are there any housekeeping tips you can recommend?
16:15 wizzyrea   lots?
16:15 wizzyrea   how many items do you have on this bib?
16:14 wizzyrea   you are using
16:14 wizzyrea   or whatever 3.0.x version
16:14 mib_gjeh2  3.0.5?
16:14 wizzyrea   oh, never mind. 3.0.6 doesn't have the xslt detail display in the intranet (I think)
16:13 jcamins    Ah.
16:13 mib_gjeh2  modules that Koha above 3.0.05 require conflict with other modules running on the system
16:13 mib_gjeh2  Sorry, more OS dependancies
16:13 mib_gjeh2  Yes, we are using Zebra....was thinking or rebuilding the indexes but not sure that would make a difference.
16:13 jcamins    OS issues?
16:12 mib_gjeh2  3.0.05 - can't upgrade just due to OS issues
16:12 jcamins    And are you using Zebra?
16:11 wizzyrea   in your system preferences?
16:11 jcamins    mib_gjeh2: I don't really have any suggestions, but what version of Koha are you using?
16:11 wizzyrea   do you have xslt detail display on or off?
16:11 wizzyrea   bummer.
16:07 mib_gjeh2  Hey,. I tried disabling Javascript in the browser but the problem remains!
16:07 jcamins    I got one of the last non-"smart" passports from the US.
16:06 jcamins    That's the best kind.
16:00 cait       with an ugly biometric photo in it :)
16:00 cait       yep
16:00 jcamins    cait: did you get your passport?
15:59 cait       hi druthb :)
15:57 * druthb   waves to cait
15:57 wizzyrea   congrats :)
15:57 jcamins    Yay!
15:57 * wizzyrea cheers
15:57 rhcl_kell  Today our library is going live with Koha!
15:56 cait       hi rhcl_kell and jcamins :)
15:56 jcamins    Hello cait
15:56 rhcl_kell  Hello!
15:55 cait       hi again #koha
15:31 mib_gjeh2  OK, I will take a look......thanks
15:29 wizzyrea   is nicer
15:29 wizzyrea   http://mistered.us/tips/javascript/firefox.shtml
15:29 wizzyrea   yikes
15:29 wizzyrea   http://www.google.com/url?sa=t&source=web&cd=1&ved=0CBIQFjAA&url=http%3A%2F%2Fmistered.us%2Ftips%2Fjavascript%2Ffirefox.shtml&ei=wtB7TJm2OIXKnAe-_pydCw&usg=AFQjCNHknicF-aivpMDDhkG-AyGE9dQ6rA
15:29 mib_gjeh2  its a very small database to be a mysql issue, I think!
15:28 wizzyrea   http://www.alanwood.net/demos/enabling-javascript.html
15:28 mib_gjeh2  firefox....had problem with IE so only firefox
15:27 wizzyrea   what are you using?
15:27 wizzyrea   also, IE or firefox or chrome or...
15:27 wizzyrea   yep, in your web browser
15:27 mib_gjeh2  no....can you help me out there? Is that on the client side?
15:27 wizzyrea   thing*
15:27 wizzyrea   (because otherwise it might be a mysql performance thign)
15:27 wizzyrea   have you tried disabling the javascript?
15:26 mib_gjeh2  bit
15:26 mib_gjeh2  32 it
15:26 mib_gjeh2  Its a bog standard i686 debian install on a HP DL 380 G4 server
15:26 jcamins    I believe very strongly in open source. And more practically, I like it when people who are smarter than I am improve features I want. ;)
15:22 nengard    cool (not the taking a bit part - but the submitting part) :)
15:22 jcamins    nengard: I plan on submitting all my changes, although it may take a bit.
15:21 wizzyrea   I wonder what kind of hardware you are running on mib_gjeh2
15:20 nengard    mib_jhej2 i think someone on list said to try and disable javascript to speed things up ... but i might be mixing up things i've read (my head is on cold meds right now)
15:20 nengard    jcamins that sounds like a neat feature - you should submit it to HEAD
15:17 mib_gjeh2  Thanks! Basically, when we login to the Admin client and run a search the first screen comes back fine. However, if we select any title the next screen takes about 60 seconds to open!
15:10 ivanc      mib_gjeh2: I do not know if I can help you, but I'm here, I am not a developer Koha, but I'm trying to use
15:04 mib_gjeh2  Hello - would anyone help me with a strange slowness problem when opening a record in the admin page?
14:53 jcamins    ^ better description
14:53 jcamins    If anyone needs a feature that adds the display of images listed in 856's to Koha, there is a branch in my github repository.
14:53 jcamins    "Image library" makes it sound like a much fancier feature than it is.
14:51 jcamins    Oh, by the way, if anyone finds they want a very simple "Image library" feature integrated into Koha, there's a branch in my github repository.
14:44 jcamins    A lot of people associate me with "far away," after my many jaunts abroad. ;)
14:43 jcamins    Well, when we met a few years ago, I had just returned to the States from Afghanistan.
14:42 nengard    I'm terrible at remembering names and locations ;) hehe
14:41 nengard    also - how did I not know you were so close jcamins?
14:39 jcamins    Thanks.
14:39 jcamins    I can see how that could be... it wasn't much of an adjustment to go from "girlfriend" to "fiancee" in December.
14:39 nengard    and congrats from me too :)
14:38 nengard    it's actually surprising how quickly it becomes the norm - both the ring and the new labels :)
14:32 jcamins    Thanks.
14:32 jcamins    As is the word "wife."
14:32 magnus     congrats! you get used to it, eventually... ;-)
14:31 jcamins    The ring is going to take a while to get used to, though, I think.
14:31 jcamins    Yeah, I recognized the second one.
14:29 wizzyrea   it's a lil person with their arms up "YAY!"
14:28 jcamins    I was wondering what that was.
14:28 wizzyrea   (yay)
14:28 wizzyrea   I mean
14:28 wizzyrea   \o/
14:28 wizzyrea   |o?
14:28 jcamins    wizzyrea: Wonderful!
14:28 nengard    alright .. up I get ... be back eventually :)
14:28 wizzyrea   jcamins: how was the wedding?
14:27 nengard    it's just a 2 hour train ride :) 4 hours of a closed library
14:27 nengard    LOL
14:27 jcamins    Sadly I'm in NYC and I can't leave the library unattended.
14:27 jcamins    Then I'd be happy too.
14:26 nengard    plenty of food in the house - just too much effort for me to get up and get it back to a seat when on crutches :)
14:26 nengard    :)
14:26 nengard    absolutely
14:26 jcamins    nengard: depends... is there enough for me to have a snack too? ;)
14:25 magnus     sure! ;-)
14:21 nengard    anyone want to come over and get me a snack? :)
14:20 ivanc      magnus: tnks
14:14 magnus     tmpl_process3.pl should work on 3.00.06...
14:12 ivanc      magnus: tnks ! is sensate to try in my version?
14:09 magnus     ivanc: i think so. there is a new script called just translate in HEAD: http://git.koha-community.org/gitweb/?p=koha.git;a=tree;f=misc/translator;h=a1148338c21b58faa71a579d25f01e3e96a6e5a9;hb=HEAD but this is not in 3.00.06: http://git.koha-community.org/gitweb/?p=koha.git;a=tree;f=misc/translator;h=087f7ffff12e319a9c7b6d0661a5572a99aa6244;hb=d80033f567b32eb018c3ecefba02e537877b401d
14:06 ivanc      magnus tnks: the question is, this is the right command to create/generate more languages?
14:02 magnus     hm, afraid i can't be of much help there... maybe someone else?
13:52 ivanc      the directory /usr/share/koha/opac/htdocs/opac-tmpl/prog/it-IT is empty
13:51 ivanc      and the error is Use of uninitalized value in hash element ( the same error ) if i download the .po files from internet
13:50 ivanc      i try to run it in /usr/share/koha/misc/translator
13:50 ivanc      manguns: the koha version is the 3.00.06
13:49 magnus     ivanc: not sure i have any ideas, but what version are you running and do you get any error messages?
13:42 ivanc      but without success any idea?
13:42 ivanc      I've try with this : ./tmpl_process3.pl install -i /usr/share/koha/opac/htdocs/opac-tmpl/prog/en -o /usr/share/koha/opac/htdocs/opac-tmpl/prog/it-IT -s /usr/share/koha/misc/translator/po/it-IT-i-opac-t-prog-v-3000000.po
13:42 ivanc      I've a problem with the creation of different language ( opac )  italian and german
13:38 magnus     oh no, paul_p is loosing it... ;-)
13:37 wasabi     and me too!
13:37 * paul_p   comes to NZ in oct. Why do you think I come? I'm on the way to buy catalist. and next year, we will buy google & maybe microsoft too
13:37 wasabi     ha ha , i joke ;)
13:37 wasabi     omg!
13:37 wasabi     hmmm, where is my visa-card?!?!?!!!
13:36 paul_p     lol
13:36 wasabi     $ whois biblibre.co.nz
13:36 wasabi     paul_p:  i notice 'biblibre.co.nz' is current available for purchase!
13:36 ivanc      hi wasaby :)
13:35 sekjal     later, wasabi!
13:35 wasabi     ok.... happy cybersquatting people, im off
13:32 wasabi     i werked for 1 extra month, to help complete some client go-lives
13:32 paul_p     wow... 'let go' does not exist in france :D
13:31 wasabi     i was..  'let go'
13:31 paul_p     so you're still a LLer :D
13:31 wasabi     no :)
13:31 paul_p     and you ? you were fired ?
13:31 wasabi     no, just 2
13:31 wasabi     aah, well... i didnt :)
13:30 * paul_p   thought you all 3 resigned !
13:30 paul_p     what I don't understand is "i didn't resign" !
13:30 wasabi     ah
13:30 paul_p     wasabi, yes, I understand sweetie.
13:30 wasabi     anyhoo, back to some work now....
13:28 wasabi     NZ slang
13:28 wasabi     sweetie means 'dear friend'
13:27 paul_p     ???
13:26 wasabi     i didnt resign sweetie ;)
13:26 paul_p     wasabi, are you sure ll sold-out ? isn't it also a problem of kados behaviour ? when you resigned, it was not due to ptfs iirc !
13:26 wasabi     its just a pity that PTFS seem to be applying the same aggressive-method to the koha-project itself
13:25 wasabi     ... in that liblime sold-out to PTFS
13:25 wasabi     PTFS aggressiveness to liblime seemed to work successfully
13:23 sekjal     hey, wasabi
13:23 wasabi     oh, heya sekjal
13:22 * sekjal   is catching up on all the latest news... ::sigh::
13:22 paul_p     it's really a top-down management.
13:22 paul_p     LL <> ptfs, jane (that I met in Dallas) told me it's much different in ptfs.
13:21 wasabi     ... as i worked for liblime, so i was privy to a lot of internal email and info
13:20 wasabi     thats why i know...
13:20 wasabi     yeah, click ;)
13:19 * paul_p   realize wasabi is mason who loves sushis... ;-)
13:19 wasabi     heya ivanc
13:19 ivanc      hi all
13:18 paul_p     wasabi, nope, we don't know. We see what they do, we listen what they say, we read what they write, but ... it's inconsistent : facts are not related to writings or speech. So we don't know. The only thing we know is that we can't trust them...
13:18 wasabi     you/me, everyone else that cares, and wants to be informed about whats happening
13:17 wasabi     i mean, we all know...
13:17 wasabi     paul_p:  i think they *do* know about the strategy/plans of their bosses
13:06 jcamins    Morning, #koha
13:05 paul_p     druthb++
13:05 paul_p     jwagner++
13:05 munin      paul_p: Error: "jwagner++" is not a valid command.
13:05 paul_p     @jwagner++
13:05 paul_p     wasabi, you can trust jwagner  & druthb when they ask or give help. And i't always a technical things. Because they are devs & really don't know anything about the strategy their bosses does or plans.
13:03 wasabi     paul_p:  i dont trust anyone that works for a company that is blatantly attempting to destabilize the project, period
12:56 wasabi     i imagine PTFS management are still deciding if they will redirect their kc.org variants back to koha.org, and get away with it...
12:54 paul_p     right ! fortunatly, ptfs if a "big" company, so devs have no daily relations with the boss... (fortunatly, or unfortunatly, hélas...)
12:53 magnus     yeah, i don't envy the developers...
12:52 paul_p     and every irc regular knows that we can't trust ptfs managers (but can trust ptfs developers, that are on the channel everyday)
12:52 paul_p     wasabi, it's better to have koha-community.com /us/net pointing nowhere tha pointing to koha.org !
12:52 wasabi     cool, see you soon :)
12:51 magnus     bye cait
12:51 cait       bye all
12:50 cait       ok, time to go for me, I get my new passport for nz today :)
12:50 cait       wasabi: it makes me sad, I am past angry
12:50 wasabi     its not OK or 'just business', its unacceptable behavior
12:49 schuster   I don't disagree...
12:49 wasabi     people need to know this stuff david
12:48 wasabi     i think its worth a discussion on the koha lists, myself
12:48 cait       *sighs*
12:48 wasabi     i discovered this myself on satuday
12:47 schuster   good idea.
12:47 wasabi     yes, correct magnus!
12:47 magnus     oh well, must try not to waste too much adrenalin on it...
12:46 magnus     as opposed to koha-community.biz, registered by calyx, which points to koha-community.org
12:45 wasabi     all registered to PTFS, all point to nowhere... :(
12:44 wasabi     $ whois kohacommunity.org
12:44 wasabi     $ whois koha-community.com
12:44 wasabi     $ whois koha-community.net
12:43 wasabi     ... considering that PTFS still wont publicly acknowledge kc.org, they seem busy registering many kc.org DNS variations
12:37 cait       :(
12:37 cait       :
12:35 magnus     wow http://www.whois.net/whois/koha-community.us :-(
09:49 davi       ?
09:49 davi       and later vote
09:49 davi       already added to wiki or somewhere to review
09:48 davi       Have been the AGPLv3+, GPLv3+, and <stay as now> re-licensing options
09:47 davi       hi Amit
09:44 cait       hi Amit
09:41 Amit       heya cait, davi
09:20 cait       hi chris and magnus :)
08:58 magnus     hi cait
08:56 chris      hi cait
08:55 cait       hi #koha
08:21 jransom    Reminder: Koha Committee Meeting 9am NZ time 31st August.
07:23 magnus     hiya chris, paul_p & #koha
07:22 paul_p     hi chris & al
07:22 chris      evening
04:29 * rachel   waves to Paul
04:14 chris      heh
04:11 robin      no, I was looking at the wrong line
04:11 robin      oh,
04:11 robin      funny how there's no Canada on that map
04:10 rachel     cheers
04:10 chris      (takes a while to load)
04:10 chris      screenshot of that might be cool
04:10 chris      http://www.librarytechnology.org/map.pl?ILS=Koha
04:09 chris      for a nice image
04:09 rachel     Yeah nice
04:08 chris      tis pretty cool that by number of libraries its the 2nd most used library system
04:08 chris      so yeah, just biblibre
04:08 chris      thats just for france
04:08 rachel     and is that just biblibre?
04:07 rachel     Bonza thank you
04:07 chris      check out the second graph there
04:07 chris      http://www.librarytechnology.org/lwc-ils-marketshare.pl?Country=France&Type=Public
04:06 chris      http://fpl.apkn.org/  <-- a bunch of african countries parliamentary libraries
04:06 chris      rachel: http://bpraweb.puntobiblio.com/  <-- argentinian national library
04:06 rachel     what was the national library -
04:05 robin      chris: it's a bit of a trip there
04:05 chris      i use that one often
04:05 chris      Delhi public
04:05 chris      ahh
04:05 rachel     the ones in brazil?
04:05 * rachel   is trawling for PR Fodder - big/interesting/important libraries using Koha
04:05 chris      yeah, good idea robin
04:04 robin      chris: actually, a jquery upgrade to 1.4.2 might be a good first-thing for 3.4 development, so that way there's plenty of time to find and fix issues.
04:04 rachel     I did thanks - man that was some run on the neo cupcakes
04:04 rachel     and everyone else :-)
04:03 chris      get a cupcake?
04:03 rachel     hi chris
04:01 chris      hey rachel
03:12 chris      hi Amit
03:12 Amit       heya chris