Time Nick Message 03:12 Amit heya chris 03:12 chris hi Amit 04:01 chris hey rachel 04:03 rachel hi chris 04:03 chris get a cupcake? 04:04 rachel and everyone else :-) 04:04 rachel I did thanks - man that was some run on the neo cupcakes 04:04 robin chris: actually, a jquery upgrade to 1.4.2 might be a good first-thing for 3.4 development, so that way there's plenty of time to find and fix issues. 04:05 chris yeah, good idea robin 04:05 * rachel is trawling for PR Fodder - big/interesting/important libraries using Koha 04:05 rachel the ones in brazil? 04:05 chris ahh 04:05 chris Delhi public 04:05 chris i use that one often 04:05 robin chris: it's a bit of a trip there 04:06 rachel what was the national library - 04:06 chris rachel: http://bpraweb.puntobiblio.com/ <-- argentinian national library 04:06 chris http://fpl.apkn.org/ <-- a bunch of african countries parliamentary libraries 04:07 chris http://www.librarytechnology.org/lwc-ils-marketshare.pl?Country=France&Type=Public 04:07 chris check out the second graph there 04:07 rachel Bonza thank you 04:08 rachel and is that just biblibre? 04:08 chris thats just for france 04:08 chris so yeah, just biblibre 04:08 chris tis pretty cool that by number of libraries its the 2nd most used library system 04:09 rachel Yeah nice 04:09 chris for a nice image 04:10 chris http://www.librarytechnology.org/map.pl?ILS=Koha 04:10 chris screenshot of that might be cool 04:10 chris (takes a while to load) 04:10 rachel cheers 04:11 robin funny how there's no Canada on that map 04:11 robin oh, 04:11 robin no, I was looking at the wrong line 04:14 chris heh 04:29 * rachel waves to Paul 07:22 chris evening 07:22 paul_p hi chris & al 07:23 magnus hiya chris, paul_p & #koha 08:21 jransom Reminder: Koha Committee Meeting 9am NZ time 31st August. 08:55 cait hi #koha 08:56 chris hi cait 08:58 magnus hi cait 09:20 cait hi chris and magnus :) 09:41 Amit heya cait, davi 09:44 cait hi Amit 09:47 davi hi Amit 09:48 davi Have been the AGPLv3+, GPLv3+, and <stay as now> re-licensing options 09:49 davi already added to wiki or somewhere to review 09:49 davi and later vote 09:49 davi ? 12:35 magnus wow http://www.whois.net/whois/koha-community.us :-( 12:37 cait : 12:37 cait :( 12:43 wasabi ... considering that PTFS still wont publicly acknowledge kc.org, they seem busy registering many kc.org DNS variations 12:44 wasabi $ whois koha-community.net 12:44 wasabi $ whois koha-community.com 12:44 wasabi $ whois kohacommunity.org 12:45 wasabi all registered to PTFS, all point to nowhere... :( 12:46 magnus as opposed to koha-community.biz, registered by calyx, which points to koha-community.org 12:47 magnus oh well, must try not to waste too much adrenalin on it... 12:47 wasabi yes, correct magnus! 12:47 schuster good idea. 12:48 wasabi i discovered this myself on satuday 12:48 cait *sighs* 12:48 wasabi i think its worth a discussion on the koha lists, myself 12:49 wasabi people need to know this stuff david 12:49 schuster I don't disagree... 12:50 wasabi its not OK or 'just business', its unacceptable behavior 12:50 cait wasabi: it makes me sad, I am past angry 12:50 cait ok, time to go for me, I get my new passport for nz today :) 12:51 cait bye all 12:51 magnus bye cait 12:52 wasabi cool, see you soon :) 12:52 paul_p wasabi, it's better to have koha-community.com /us/net pointing nowhere tha pointing to koha.org ! 12:52 paul_p and every irc regular knows that we can't trust ptfs managers (but can trust ptfs developers, that are on the channel everyday) 12:53 magnus yeah, i don't envy the developers... 12:54 paul_p right ! fortunatly, ptfs if a "big" company, so devs have no daily relations with the boss... (fortunatly, or unfortunatly, hélas...) 12:56 wasabi i imagine PTFS management are still deciding if they will redirect their kc.org variants back to koha.org, and get away with it... 13:03 wasabi paul_p: i dont trust anyone that works for a company that is blatantly attempting to destabilize the project, period 13:05 paul_p wasabi, you can trust jwagner & druthb when they ask or give help. And i't always a technical things. Because they are devs & really don't know anything about the strategy their bosses does or plans. 13:05 paul_p @jwagner++ 13:05 munin paul_p: Error: "jwagner++" is not a valid command. 13:05 paul_p jwagner++ 13:05 paul_p druthb++ 13:06 jcamins Morning, #koha 13:17 wasabi paul_p: i think they *do* know about the strategy/plans of their bosses 13:17 wasabi i mean, we all know... 13:18 wasabi you/me, everyone else that cares, and wants to be informed about whats happening 13:18 paul_p wasabi, nope, we don't know. We see what they do, we listen what they say, we read what they write, but ... it's inconsistent : facts are not related to writings or speech. So we don't know. The only thing we know is that we can't trust them... 13:19 ivanc hi all 13:19 wasabi heya ivanc 13:19 * paul_p realize wasabi is mason who loves sushis... ;-) 13:20 wasabi yeah, click ;) 13:20 wasabi thats why i know... 13:21 wasabi ... as i worked for liblime, so i was privy to a lot of internal email and info 13:22 paul_p LL <> ptfs, jane (that I met in Dallas) told me it's much different in ptfs. 13:22 paul_p it's really a top-down management. 13:22 * sekjal is catching up on all the latest news... ::sigh:: 13:23 wasabi oh, heya sekjal 13:23 sekjal hey, wasabi 13:25 wasabi PTFS aggressiveness to liblime seemed to work successfully 13:25 wasabi ... in that liblime sold-out to PTFS 13:26 wasabi its just a pity that PTFS seem to be applying the same aggressive-method to the koha-project itself 13:26 paul_p wasabi, are you sure ll sold-out ? isn't it also a problem of kados behaviour ? when you resigned, it was not due to ptfs iirc ! 13:26 wasabi i didnt resign sweetie ;) 13:27 paul_p ??? 13:28 wasabi sweetie means 'dear friend' 13:28 wasabi NZ slang 13:30 wasabi anyhoo, back to some work now.... 13:30 paul_p wasabi, yes, I understand sweetie. 13:30 wasabi ah 13:30 paul_p what I don't understand is "i didn't resign" ! 13:30 * paul_p thought you all 3 resigned ! 13:31 wasabi aah, well... i didnt :) 13:31 wasabi no, just 2 13:31 paul_p and you ? you were fired ? 13:31 wasabi no :) 13:31 paul_p so you're still a LLer :D 13:31 wasabi i was.. 'let go ' 13:32 paul_p wow... 'let go' does not exist in france :D 13:32 wasabi i werked for 1 extra month, to help complete some client go-lives 13:35 wasabi ok.... happy cybersquatting people, im off 13:35 sekjal later, wasabi! 13:36 ivanc hi wasaby :) 13:36 wasabi paul_p: i notice 'biblibre.co.nz' is current available for purchase! 13:36 wasabi $ whois biblibre.co.nz 13:36 paul_p lol 13:37 wasabi hmmm, where is my visa-card?!?!?!!! 13:37 wasabi omg! 13:37 wasabi ha ha , i joke ;) 13:37 * paul_p comes to NZ in oct. Why do you think I come? I'm on the way to buy catalist. and next year, we will buy google & maybe microsoft too 13:37 wasabi and me too! 13:38 magnus oh no, paul_p is loosing it... ;-) 13:42 ivanc I've a problem with the creation of different language ( opac ) italian and german 13:42 ivanc I've try with this : ./tmpl_process3.pl install -i /usr/share/koha/opac/htdocs/opac-tmpl/prog/en -o /usr/share/koha/opac/htdocs/opac-tmpl/prog/it-IT -s /usr/share/koha/misc/translator/po/it-IT-i-opac-t-prog-v-3000000.po 13:42 ivanc but without success any idea? 13:49 magnus ivanc: not sure i have any ideas, but what version are you running and do you get any error messages? 13:50 ivanc manguns: the koha version is the 3.00.06 13:50 ivanc i try to run it in /usr/share/koha/misc/translator 13:51 ivanc and the error is Use of uninitalized value in hash element ( the same error ) if i download the .po files from internet 13:52 ivanc the directory /usr/share/koha/opac/htdocs/opac-tmpl/prog/it-IT is empty 14:02 magnus hm, afraid i can't be of much help there... maybe someone else? 14:06 ivanc magnus tnks: the question is, this is the right command to create/generate more languages? 14:09 magnus ivanc: i think so. there is a new script called just translate in HEAD: http://git.koha-community.org/gitweb/?p=koha.git;a=tree;f=misc/translator;h=a1148338c21b58faa71a579d25f01e3e96a6e5a9;hb=HEAD but this is not in 3.00.06: http://git.koha-community.org/gitweb/?p=koha.git;a=tree;f=misc/translator;h=087f7ffff12e319a9c7b6d0661a5572a99aa6244;hb=d80033f567b32eb018c3ecefba02e537877b401d 14:12 ivanc magnus: tnks ! is sensate to try in my version? 14:14 magnus tmpl_process3.pl should work on 3.00.06... 14:20 ivanc magnus: tnks 14:21 nengard anyone want to come over and get me a snack? :) 14:25 magnus sure! ;-) 14:26 jcamins nengard: depends... is there enough for me to have a snack too? ;) 14:26 nengard absolutely 14:26 nengard :) 14:26 nengard plenty of food in the house - just too much effort for me to get up and get it back to a seat when on crutches :) 14:27 jcamins Then I'd be happy too. 14:27 jcamins Sadly I'm in NYC and I can't leave the library unattended. 14:27 nengard LOL 14:27 nengard it's just a 2 hour train ride :) 4 hours of a closed library 14:28 wizzyrea jcamins: how was the wedding? 14:28 nengard alright .. up I get ... be back eventually :) 14:28 jcamins wizzyrea: Wonderful! 14:28 wizzyrea |o? 14:28 wizzyrea \o/ 14:28 wizzyrea I mean 14:28 wizzyrea (yay) 14:28 jcamins I was wondering what that was. 14:29 wizzyrea it's a lil person with their arms up "YAY!" 14:31 jcamins Yeah, I recognized the second one. 14:31 jcamins The ring is going to take a while to get used to, though, I think. 14:32 magnus congrats! you get used to it, eventually... ;-) 14:32 jcamins As is the word "wife." 14:32 jcamins Thanks. 14:38 nengard it's actually surprising how quickly it becomes the norm - both the ring and the new labels :) 14:39 nengard and congrats from me too :) 14:39 jcamins I can see how that could be... it wasn't much of an adjustment to go from "girlfriend" to "fiancee" in December. 14:39 jcamins Thanks. 14:41 nengard also - how did I not know you were so close jcamins? 14:42 nengard I'm terrible at remembering names and locations ;) hehe 14:43 jcamins Well, when we met a few years ago, I had just returned to the States from Afghanistan. 14:44 jcamins A lot of people associate me with "far away," after my many jaunts abroad. ;) 14:51 jcamins Oh, by the way, if anyone finds they want a very simple "Image library" feature integrated into Koha, there's a branch in my github repository. 14:53 jcamins "Image library" makes it sound like a much fancier feature than it is. 14:53 jcamins If anyone needs a feature that adds the display of images listed in 856's to Koha, there is a branch in my github repository. 14:53 jcamins ^ better description 15:04 mib_gjeh2 Hello - would anyone help me with a strange slowness problem when opening a record in the admin page? 15:10 ivanc mib_gjeh2: I do not know if I can help you, but I'm here, I am not a developer Koha, but I'm trying to use 15:17 mib_gjeh2 Thanks! Basically, when we login to the Admin client and run a search the first screen comes back fine. However, if we select any title the next screen takes about 60 seconds to open! 15:20 nengard jcamins that sounds like a neat feature - you should submit it to HEAD 15:20 nengard mib_jhej2 i think someone on list said to try and disable javascript to speed things up ... but i might be mixing up things i've read (my head is on cold meds right now) 15:21 wizzyrea I wonder what kind of hardware you are running on mib_gjeh2 15:22 jcamins nengard: I plan on submitting all my changes, although it may take a bit. 15:22 nengard cool (not the taking a bit part - but the submitting part) :) 15:26 jcamins I believe very strongly in open source. And more practically, I like it when people who are smarter than I am improve features I want. ;) 15:26 mib_gjeh2 Its a bog standard i686 debian install on a HP DL 380 G4 server 15:26 mib_gjeh2 32 it 15:26 mib_gjeh2 bit 15:27 wizzyrea have you tried disabling the javascript? 15:27 wizzyrea (because otherwise it might be a mysql performance thign) 15:27 wizzyrea thing* 15:27 mib_gjeh2 no....can you help me out there? Is that on the client side? 15:27 wizzyrea yep, in your web browser 15:27 wizzyrea also, IE or firefox or chrome or... 15:27 wizzyrea what are you using? 15:28 mib_gjeh2 firefox....had problem with IE so only firefox 15:28 wizzyrea http://www.alanwood.net/demos/enabling-javascript.html 15:29 mib_gjeh2 its a very small database to be a mysql issue, I think! 15:29 wizzyrea http://www.google.com/url?sa=t&source=web&cd=1&ved=0CBIQFjAA&url=http%3A%2F%2Fmistered.us%2Ftips%2Fjavascript%2Ffirefox.shtml&ei=wtB7TJm2OIXKnAe-_pydCw&usg=AFQjCNHknicF-aivpMDDhkG-AyGE9dQ6rA 15:29 wizzyrea yikes 15:29 wizzyrea http://mistered.us/tips/javascript/firefox.shtml 15:29 wizzyrea is nicer 15:31 mib_gjeh2 OK, I will take a look......thanks 15:55 cait hi again #koha 15:56 rhcl_kell Hello! 15:56 jcamins Hello cait 15:56 cait hi rhcl_kell and jcamins :) 15:57 rhcl_kell Today our library is going live with Koha! 15:57 * wizzyrea cheers 15:57 jcamins Yay! 15:57 wizzyrea congrats :) 15:57 * druthb waves to cait 15:59 cait hi druthb :) 16:00 jcamins cait: did you get your passport? 16:00 cait yep 16:00 cait with an ugly biometric photo in it :) 16:06 jcamins That's the best kind. 16:07 jcamins I got one of the last non-"smart" passports from the US. 16:07 mib_gjeh2 Hey,. I tried disabling Javascript in the browser but the problem remains! 16:11 wizzyrea bummer. 16:11 wizzyrea do you have xslt detail display on or off? 16:11 jcamins mib_gjeh2: I don't really have any suggestions, but what version of Koha are you using? 16:11 wizzyrea in your system preferences? 16:12 jcamins And are you using Zebra? 16:12 mib_gjeh2 3.0.05 - can't upgrade just due to OS issues 16:13 jcamins OS issues? 16:13 mib_gjeh2 Yes, we are using Zebra....was thinking or rebuilding the indexes but not sure that would make a difference. 16:13 mib_gjeh2 Sorry, more OS dependancies 16:13 mib_gjeh2 modules that Koha above 3.0.05 require conflict with other modules running on the system 16:13 jcamins Ah. 16:14 wizzyrea oh, never mind. 3.0.6 doesn't have the xslt detail display in the intranet (I think) 16:14 mib_gjeh2 3.0.5? 16:14 wizzyrea or whatever 3.0.x version 16:14 wizzyrea you are using 16:15 wizzyrea how many items do you have on this bib? 16:15 wizzyrea lots? 16:15 mib_gjeh2 Ah.....wondering about the index rebuild? Or the mysql preformance issues, are there any housekeeping tips you can recommend? 16:16 mib_gjeh2 It's any bib, not just one......all bibs take the same time to display 16:16 wizzyrea the indexing should only affect the results 16:16 jcamins mig_gjeh2: how long have you had the server running? 16:16 wizzyrea do they all have lots of items on them? (lots = more than 100) 16:16 jcamins I'm wondering if it could be the session table. 16:16 wizzyrea ^^ 16:17 mib_gjeh2 A while, we did reboot today though - no change. No big bibs (certainly none near 100 items attached) 16:17 mib_gjeh2 session table? 16:17 mib_gjeh2 Should I trunc it? 16:17 jcamins Yeah. Every single connection gets a row in the session table. 16:17 jcamins That's what I was going to suggest. 16:17 mib_gjeh2 does it purge on reboot? 16:17 jcamins I think there's a script that can do that for you. 16:17 jcamins No, it's persistent. 16:17 mib_gjeh2 is it a system table or a koha table? 16:18 jcamins misc/cronjobs/cleanup_database.pl 16:18 mib_gjeh2 NICE! 16:18 jcamins It's a Koha table. 16:18 mib_gjeh2 I will take a look, sounds like it might be promising! - thanks! 16:18 jcamins Actually, use that to clean up the zebraqueue, too, while you're at it. 16:18 jcamins We had problems when our zebraqueue had 500k rows. 16:19 mib_gjeh2 will do......I shall let ye kind people know how I get on....... 16:19 jcamins Good luck! 16:29 mib_gjeh2 Just a quick one......any suggestion on the number of days to use when doing the cleanup of Zebraqueue? 16:31 druthb Most of our sites that use that feature use 7-10 days, mib_gjeh2. 16:37 mib_gjeh2 Thanks! 16:51 wizzyrea what does the constrainttype field in the reserves table denote? 16:51 cait wizzyrea: just guessing, show title level and item level holds? 16:52 wizzyrea doesn't seem to 16:52 sekjal wizzyrea: as far as I know, it's not used currently 16:52 wizzyrea it looks to me like the only difference between an item level and a title level hold is that item levels start with an itemnumber 16:52 sekjal it's just universally 'a', or it's broken 16:52 wizzyrea where title levels start out with NULL 16:52 wizzyrea sekjal: thanks 16:52 sekjal wizzyrea: correct. 17:28 ivanc tnks for all bye 17:28 jcamins Does anyone happen to recall the standard for how tightly packed books should be on library shelves? 18:04 LibraryGu Hullo 18:04 LibraryGu How is progress on the 3.2 release? 18:08 gmcharlt LibraryGu: awaiting a few final bug fixes 18:10 LibraryGu Oh cool. 18:11 LibraryGu I wonder if there will be a live install CD 18:20 gmcharlt LibraryGu: yep, I imagine so 18:20 chris wasabi++ 18:22 LibraryGu wasabi?? 18:22 LibraryGu Oh Ubuntu? 18:23 chris no, its someones nickname, nothing to do with the live cd, i was just reading scrollback 19:17 * chris_n decries the advent of more stupidity 19:23 * wizzyrea nods 19:30 LibraryGu chris_n: whose? 19:31 chris_n LibraryGu: a reference to what chris was reading that wasabi wrote about 19:32 chris Back from the bus stop 19:33 LibraryGu Cheeky 19:36 chris Gotta love bip 19:39 jcamins chris: Books-in-Print? 19:39 chris Naw the software I'm using to do irc proxy 19:39 chris Larsw put me on to it 19:39 jcamins Ah. 19:41 jcamins Whoops... looks like LC is having some encoding issues. 19:42 chris Morning antisirk 19:42 chris You are at work early 19:51 joetho Hello Koha 19:52 anitsirk hello chris and joetho. good morning. yep. got in early today. and as you can see, i can connect to the channel again. it wouldn't let me yesterday at all. 19:53 chris Yeah I think I know why 19:53 chris Too many from the same ip 19:55 chris Ill see if we can get that upped 19:57 * chris is on the bus 19:58 chris I should show you how I do that on your phone 20:00 chris Right my stop, be back after coffee 20:01 anitsirk cool. sounds great. enjoy your coffe, chris. 20:08 joetho Chris and I have coffee together sometimes. 20:08 joetho <---round the clock coffee drinker 20:08 wizzyrea hehe 20:08 chris heh 20:08 chris back 20:09 joetho hey Chris 20:09 joetho are you about ready for a nice cold beer? 20:09 joetho Sure you are. 20:09 chris in about 8 hours time 20:09 wizzyrea can I bring beer into NZ with me? Not that i'd need to, but say I wanted to bring *special* beer 20:09 joetho but give the little guy his breakfast first. 20:10 chris yes you can 20:10 wizzyrea wooo! 20:10 * wizzyrea contemplates which of the fine local brews to pack to bring to chris ;) 20:10 wizzyrea since I owe him a lot of beer 20:10 wizzyrea a LOT 20:10 chris you can bring as much as you want, but over a certain amount you have to pay duty 20:10 joetho really. But no rutabega? 20:11 chris Liquor: Six bottles (4.5 litres) of wine, port or sherry or 12 cans (4.5 litres) of beer. Plus three bottles (or other containers) each containing no more than 1125mls of spirits, liqueur, or other spirituous beverages. 20:11 chris is the duty free allowance 20:11 wizzyrea aha, ty 20:12 wizzyrea and peanut butter. lol. 20:12 wizzyrea goldfish crackers. 20:16 anitsirk yummy. unfortunately, you can't bring the carob bars from a coop with you as they are not sealed but sold loose. 20:18 chris wizzyrea: laurel is off to the US next monday, so we wont need a huge peanut butter, and goldfish cracker supply, she will undoubtedly bring tons back :) 20:18 wizzyrea hehehe 20:18 chris and twizzlers 20:18 wizzyrea oh right i forgot about that 20:18 wizzyrea about her trip 20:18 wizzyrea tell her to wave as she flies over kansas. Well, she probably won't 20:18 wizzyrea actually 20:18 wizzyrea she can wave in our general direction 20:19 chris lax to pittsburgh, dunno where that goes 20:19 chris she might be about ready to throw the kids out at you by that point 20:19 chris will be about 30 hours into the journey 20:28 richard hi 20:34 joetho the Kansas Attorney General once arrested people on an airliner passing over Kansas because they were breaking the stringent Kansas liquor laws. 20:35 jcamins joetho: that sounds apocryphal. 20:35 jcamins Regardless, good night, #koha 20:40 joetho 3.2 by 2011 20:40 joetho 322011 20:40 joetho 342021 20:44 hdl Hi 20:46 chris hi hdl 20:51 jo morning all 20:51 jo just getting george in 20:52 hdl hi jo 20:53 jo hiya 20:54 jo committee meeting in #kohacommittee 20:55 chris jo: everyon is in in #kohasubcom 20:55 jo ah 20:55 jo there you go 20:56 hdl Hi schuster 21:57 larsw chris, bip is nifty, isn't it? 22:48 chris larsw: it sure is, how is sydney? 22:51 robin larsw: watch out for the spiders. and jellyfish. and dropbears. and scorpians. and platapuses. and sharks. and australians. and snakes. 22:53 chris hi LBA