Time Nick Message 21:38 chris hehe 21:38 wizzyrea WHEE! 21:38 wizzyrea and for me too. I get grown up time tonight! 21:37 chris cya 21:37 sekjal and now is that time. cheers, #koha! 21:33 sekjal I'll check up on that... making a note now (almost time to go) 21:32 chris which im guess the stage marc must do, or it would run into the same decode issues 21:31 chris you can tell MARC::Charset to be less strict 21:29 sekjal I was working on a script to do this; hit a snag with bad characters on decode 21:29 chris and stick a row in zebraqueue 21:29 chris $record->as_xml() 21:29 chris update bibliotems set marcxml = ? where biblionumber = ? 21:28 chris make a marc::record object from that 21:28 chris select marc from biblioitems where biblionumber = 21:28 chris it shouldnt be too bad 21:28 chris :) 21:26 wizzyrea man, gimme a long time and you might have that. 21:26 chris wizzyrea: you'll send a patch tomorrow? *grin* 21:26 sekjal jcamins and slef helped me out 21:25 chris sekjal: neat workaround ;) 21:25 chris ohh that idea is even better wizzyrea 21:25 sekjal very sloppy, but worked well enough 21:25 sekjal I ran a report to get the marc blobs, saved to file, then reimported through Stage MARC records 21:25 wizzyrea or capture those fatal errors that it causes, and put a button on it that says "rebuild this" 21:25 chris it sure would 21:24 wizzyrea ^^ would be super handy 21:24 chris that you pass a biblionumber 21:24 chris we should build a subroutine, rebuild_xml_from_marc 21:24 chris ah yeah 21:24 sekjal story was: had 6 corrupted MARCXML records (marc blob was fine) that I couldn't edit in the staff client 21:21 chris sweet 21:21 sekjal but I was able to run a query to get me what I wanted, so I'm happy 21:21 sekjal okay, manually adjusting the import data in the database doesn't so much work 21:20 chris working from home today alan? 21:10 sekjal system is hanging on me 21:10 sekjal well... haven't seen that particular proof yet 21:09 chris havent ever tried it though .. does it work? 21:09 sekjal I'm so very excited 21:09 chris yup 21:08 sekjal did anyone know that there was a manual_match option in Stage MARC Records for Import? 20:52 chris bbiab 20:52 wizzyrea gl 20:52 wizzyrea oof 20:51 chris ok, off to discuss contracts, fun fun fun 20:47 anitsirk hey chris. 20:47 chris heya anitsirk :) 20:42 chris bummer 20:42 LBA :'( sadly I won't be there.... 20:41 chris :) 20:41 chris booked your ticket to NZ yet? 20:37 LBA howdy 20:37 chris hi LBA 20:37 chris hehe 20:37 wizzyrea it's a good thing his fiancé is easy going lol 20:36 * wizzyrea claps 20:36 jcamins_a You know what, I think I'll do just that! 20:36 richard heh 20:35 jcamins_a Bye. 20:35 wizzyrea yea, SHOO 20:35 chris "GO GET MARRIED!!!" 20:35 chris hehe will do 20:35 jcamins If you see me online tomorrow morning... remind me that it *is* Friday. ;) 20:34 jcamins Good night, #koha 20:23 jcamins Hello. 20:23 richard hi chris and wizzyrea 20:23 wizzyrea hi richard :) 20:23 chris hiya richard 20:22 richard hi 20:14 * Braedon 's new part beeps "no problem" 20:13 Phil I will leave you on that cheerful note... thanks a lot to everyone for your help ! 20:07 Phil :D 20:06 Braedon (it wurrs and beeps technologically) 20:06 * Braedon installs new robot piece 20:05 Phil (to Braedon) 20:05 Phil 1 robot piece for you my friend 20:04 Phil i like it 20:04 Phil .... nice 20:04 Phil if branch 1 get 3 copies of a book.... will the other branches get the same qty ? 20:04 Braedon how do you need to view the info? if the data needed to calculate it is logged somewhere, could you use a script to generate it? Would be a lot easier to write a script than a new full feature to do it within Koha 20:03 jcamins You would only have one record for each item. 20:03 jcamins (though note that I have never tried this- I just know that it's possible to set it up so that any branch can check out any book) 20:03 Phil can you sync the stock between branches ? 20:02 jcamins Phil: I would think that dealing with the HR issues would be preferable, but you could have separate branches if you wanted. 20:00 Phil I know it's a bit far fechted 19:59 Phil if library 1 gets a book, i want the others to get the same book and the same quantity 19:59 Phil i thought i could use some kind of workaround with the librairies... i could do as if each employee was an independant library... then i could see what each library was doing.... only problem is i want the stock of items to be shared... 19:58 chris Back after coffee 19:58 chris Ok that's my bus stop 19:57 * wizzyrea is always on the lookout for people problems in search of a technological solution. 19:57 chris If not it would be a very small change 19:57 wizzyrea heh 19:57 Phil :P 19:56 wizzyrea >.> 19:56 wizzyrea do you have a problem employee? 19:56 chris I'm pretty sure a report on statistics will do that, but id have to check 19:56 wizzyrea right 19:56 Phil and bob is not the client.... hes my employe 19:56 Phil yep 19:56 wizzyrea makes sense to me. 19:56 chris Yep 19:56 wizzyrea you want to know which books bob put his fingerprints on 19:55 Phil do you understand ? 19:55 Phil suppose the clerk name Bob helped 3 clients with checkouts... each client checked out 1 book... well i want to be able to see the 3 books that are out and that Bob handled 19:54 Phil but not just a log... i want be able to know what items are checkout by the guy 19:54 chris Stores that 19:54 chris Yeah statistics table 19:53 Phil yup 19:53 chris Ah you want a log of who processed the issue? 19:53 Phil i want to be able to introduce the concept of the "transaction guy" in a transaction 19:53 reva Now, reva if off to Gautemala for a much looked for vacation and good mexican food, yo'all> Good evening. 19:53 Phil do you understand what i mean by clerk ?.... when you buy something in a store... the guy at the register is the clerk... hes the one that handled the transaction 19:52 Phil lol 19:52 chris I totally don't understand what you mean phil 19:52 reva ok, I got it. It is just I seem have a block when it come to virtualization:). Thanks tremendously. 19:52 Braedon reva: yes, that should be fine 19:52 Braedon reva: when you mount a device such as a CD drive, Ubuntu detects it and places links to it in various places, such as the side bar, and on the desktop. these are not strictly shortcuts, but effectivly do the same thing. 19:51 reva Braedon, should I also release the VBoxguestaddtions.iso from the CD drive? 19:51 Phil Hi ! I have a question about koha : can I use the concept of a clerk in the check out process ? I want to be able to specify a clerk for each check out, and later see what item are checked out for a certain clerk... is that possible ? 19:50 Braedon reva: that will unmount it, and it should disapear from the desktop. the addons themselves have been installed, and it should continue to run fine 19:49 chris Ahhh 19:49 Braedon chris: but then we have up to 3 weeks of exams - so perhaps.. 19:48 reva k, I will eject it and it should run fromt the drivers that have been installed in the ubuntu machine now, right? 19:48 Braedon i think it ends on October the 15th 19:48 chris Before oct 25? 19:47 chris Braedon, when does your semester end? 19:47 Braedon if there is, click on the symbol 19:47 Braedon if you go places->computer, or open any location actually, there should be a entry in the left side bar for the CD, with an eject symbol next to it. 19:47 reva Bradeon, you are the man:) 19:47 reva that is supposed to be clipboard. 19:46 reva ipboard working too. 19:45 reva now, I still see the virtualcd it had copied to the desktop. So, do I empty my CD/DVD drive and then the next time I reboot it will go away? 19:45 jcamins :) 19:45 chris That's the perfect way to be 19:45 jcamins chris: Thanks. I'm not too stressed out about it, just excited. 19:44 Braedon reva: awesome 19:44 reva And let me try the clipboard function now. 19:44 reva Braedon, it has worked. Ths desktop is now bigger!:) 19:44 chris jcamins: all the best for the big day, try not to stress :) 19:44 owen Bye all! 19:43 owen chris is here, must be time for me to leave! 19:43 Braedon up here it is a gray dome of dreariness 19:43 jcamins chris: Yep. 19:42 chris Not too bad down here 19:42 reva Bradeon, I empty the CD/DVD drive after I reboot, correct? 19:42 Braedon and what a miserable looking friday it is 19:42 chris Wedding tomorrow? 19:42 Braedon it is indeed friday (here) 19:42 jcamins And it's driving me batty! ;) 19:41 jcamins Not here. 19:41 chris (Its Friday :)) 19:41 chris What's cracka lacking? 19:40 Braedon (just to be different) 19:40 Braedon howdy 19:40 jcamins Morning. 19:40 wizzyrea Good Morning New Zealand! 19:40 chris Morning 19:38 reva previous was the MAIN guest addition module, now it is building guest additions module (non-MAIN, I guess); yes, if it does not work, I will try that. I can call up the irc log and follow instructions, Braedon. 19:37 Braedon reva: assuming it completes with no error messages, try restarting. If it doesn't work then, the only thing i can think of is that virtualbox has an old version of the addons, and it hasn't detected that. Try deleting the addons iso from wherever it is getting it on the host os. this should prompt it to download the latest version when you try and load it next via devices->install guest addons 19:34 wizzyrea T's are transit, obviously. 19:34 wizzyrea http://screencast.com/t/OWJlODBlMz 19:34 reva Ok, I will be patient:) 19:34 Braedon hopefully it will complete within a few minutes :) 19:33 Braedon it may take a while, yes 19:33 reva now it is pausing for a while. is that normal, braedon:? 19:33 wizzyrea sec 19:33 wizzyrea my evidence seems to bear that theory out 19:32 owen Actually now I wonder if it would touch *all* of them, or just the ones which needed to be touched in order to re-order? 19:32 wizzyrea that's what I saw too. 19:32 wizzyrea right 19:32 owen Although, in my test, it didn't touch the one which was "waiting" 19:32 wizzyrea Aha 19:32 reva It is installing all the drivers:) 19:32 Braedon reva: yip. sounds good 19:32 owen wizzyrea: The answer is yes 19:31 reva it says it is building the guest additions kernels. 19:31 wizzyrea or I could just go test the dang thing. 19:31 owen I don't know, but I'm testing 19:31 Braedon reva: ok, watch the output and see if it looks liek it is succeeding 19:31 wizzyrea maybe owen would know, I know he's poked about the holds some 19:30 reva ok, it is outputting a whole bunch checks and verifications now Braedon 19:30 jcamins We don't use holds, so I'm afraid I can't advise. 19:30 wizzyrea to see it 19:30 wizzyrea you'd have to pull the data from the DB 19:30 wizzyrea think* 19:30 wizzyrea I don't htink 19:30 wizzyrea it's not something you would be able to tell through the web interface 19:30 reva I am trying that now. 19:29 wizzyrea ? 19:29 wizzyrea does it update the timestamp on every one 19:29 wizzyrea when you reorder the holds in a queue 19:29 jcamins wizzyrea: ? 19:29 wizzyrea wow. 19:29 wizzyrea ok 19:29 wizzyrea can someone tell me 19:28 reva ok, I will try the next command you have asked me to try now. 19:28 Braedon have you tried 'sudo /media/cdrom0/VBoxLinuxAdditions-x86.run'? what does that say? 19:27 reva yes, from the mount command. 19:27 Braedon if so, that should be ok 19:27 Braedon from the mount command? 19:26 reva mount: block device dev/sr0 is write protected, mounting read-only is the response I got Braedon 19:26 Braedon what does that say? 19:26 Braedon ok, try running 'sudo /media/cdrom0/VBoxLinuxAdditions-x86.run' 19:24 reva ok it has created a directory on my desktop:) 19:23 reva ok, I will try the mkdir command now. 19:22 reva For now, until I test all the features on Koha. But I have iso cd of the Live CD and I will be installing it to our hard drive in days. 19:22 jcamins (if you have, make sure you have enough disk space configured for the VM!) 19:22 Braedon and then the mount command again 19:21 jcamins reva: I guess you decided to run your server off the VM permanently? 19:20 Braedon ok, sudo mkdir /media/cdrom0 19:20 reva Braedon, it says mount point /media/cdrom0 does not exist 19:18 reva Braedon, I will try that now. 19:14 Braedon ok, try 'sudo mount /dev/sr0 /media/cdrom0' 19:10 reva Ok, will wait 19:10 Braedon ok, just a sec - need to cnfirm some things 19:08 reva Braedon, when I looked in the Oracle folder there was guestaddition file there, so it has added it from there. 19:07 reva ok, I did the select devices-> install -guest-addons; now it has ticked the VBoxguestaddons.iso 19:06 Braedon if virtualbox asks to download a new version of hte addons, allow it to do so 19:05 Braedon select devices->install-guest-addons 19:05 Braedon ok 19:05 reva No, nothing is checked under devices->CD/DVD drive. 19:04 reva Breadon: ok, I will empty it. 19:04 Braedon if you go devices->CD/DVD drives, is anything ticked? 19:03 Braedon first make sure that you have nothing in the virtual cd drive - virtualbox is not good at working with linux with regards to ejecting drives 19:03 reva I will give you the page address where the instructions are (it is at the bottom of the web page):http://mizstik.com/projects/koha-livecd/ 19:03 Braedon ok 19:02 reva Braedon: it is server 10.04. 19:01 Braedon windows host, ubuntu guest. What ubuntu version are you running? server/desktop? 19:01 jcamins reva: just to check, you tried following the instructions from the developer again after updating your kernel, right? 19:00 Braedon sorry, not thinking straight. far too little sleep of late. Lets start again 19:00 reva ok, so starting from scratch what should I do? 19:00 Braedon unless you are running headless? 19:00 Braedon o, wait 18:59 Braedon ubuntu can mount the cd drive for you 18:59 Braedon you shouldn't need to do that at all 18:59 Braedon once you restart, that mount will not happen again, so the folder is not there 18:59 reva You know, I thought the instructions must have meant fill in your drive name where it said cdrom. but I left it as it was. 18:58 Braedon what your commands do is mount /dev/cdrom to the /cdrom folder 18:58 Braedon un, i mean how are you giving the virtual machine the disk to put in the virtual cdrom drive 18:58 reva No it was not a shortcut, it was a folder with all the different files that e guestadditions iso had. Because they did not have the shortcut arrow on them. 18:57 Braedon probly not the best question.. 18:57 Braedon what is in /dev/cdrom? 18:56 reva Now, the copy of the folder on the desktop was no loger there when I rebooted!! 18:55 reva Yes Braedon. 18:55 Braedon sounds like you have a copy of the addons inside the guest os? 18:54 reva owen: forgot to put separator character for the commands. 18:54 Braedon ahh 18:54 reva owen: what should it put on the desktop? Following are instructions I got: > sudo -i > mount /dev/cdrom /cdrom > cd /cdrom > ./VBoxLinuxAdditions-x86.run - Wait for it to finish then reboot. 18:53 Braedon ubuntu does show the mounted drive as a shortcut on the desktop - do you mean that reva? 18:53 owen reva: letting the cdrom auto-run always runs the program in a terminal window 18:52 owen reva: I have never seen it copy files to a folder 18:51 reva ok, I will try it again tomorrow: funnily, the response to the command to mount the cdrom said it did not find any such folder, it nevertheless copied the files to a folder on to the desktop. 18:50 owen I run Ubuntu on a Windows 7 host. 18:50 owen It sounds like it didn't run properly, based on my experience. 18:49 reva owen: no I did not get that "press enter to continue". 18:48 owen reva: Did the autorun program seem to run correctly? Did you end up with a terminal window which said "press enter to continue" or something like that? 18:48 reva no, you were right to ask, because though I started my computing with command line terminals on UNIX, it has been a long time doing anything that way and as raw steps. 18:46 Braedon reva: just checking :) 18:46 reva Braedon: which is what I did and I got the all the files from the iso in a folder on my desktop; I ran the autorun for x86 linux. 18:45 reva I mean restarted the machine as well as the VirtualBox itself. 18:44 Braedon reva: you have to install guest addons every time you update the kernel 18:44 reva owen: I tried that too:( 18:44 owen reva: Did you restart your Guest OS? 18:43 reva owen: I did get a folder on my desktop with the folders from the guestaddition iso and I ran the autorunx86 (I forget the exact name) but still no result. 18:42 reva well, I did and from the developer I got the info that the guest kernel has to updated. That is why I ran sudo apt-get dist-upgrade. I followed all the instructions, still no clipboard or desktop resize possible 18:42 owen This should mount a virtual drive which will appear on your Linux desktop 18:41 owen reva: You should have a menu option in your VirtualBox window: Devices -> Install Guest Additions 18:40 reva owen: my host OS is Windows XP and everything in Koha functions ok. 18:37 owen reva: What's your host OS? 18:37 wizzyrea erm, since my computer got stolen I haven't even looked at virtualbox, but try owen's solution 18:36 owen reva: You have to "install guest additions" 18:36 reva wizzyrea: got it. Thanks. I know this is not the place for it: But in my virtualbox install, I am not able to resize the guest desktop or bi-directional clipboard. I ran sudo blah blah upgrade, etc. but still no effect. Any ideas for solutions? 18:36 wizzyrea owen: yes, that is equivalently crazy 18:36 schuster Starting with "I don't recommend doing that..." 18:35 schuster very interesting to drop into the middle of that conversation... 18:35 owen Oh yeah, we did the same, only two weeks after the baby was born 18:35 jcamins Or pleasant. 18:35 jcamins No, I can't imagine that was fun. 18:35 wizzyrea (I don't recommend doing that, by the way) 18:35 wizzyrea ok, that's almost as crazy as us moving 2 weeks before the due date of our baby 18:34 wizzyrea !! 18:33 jcamins Although moving fell through (yes, that was originally planned for this past week) 18:32 jcamins We managed to schedule everything imaginable in the last week of August/first week of September. 18:31 wizzyrea oof , well ok then I guess I'll let you off jcamins 18:30 wizzyrea i think it's under type LOC 18:30 reva oh, ok, I will check that out now, wizzyrea: 18:30 jcamins reva: no, you can edit them. You have to go to the Authorized Values page to change them. 18:29 wizzyrea yep, you can. Under Administration -> authorized values 18:29 jcamins wizzyrea: my boss is out, and anyway, my fiancee is going to have tons of homework... her PhD classes started ten minutes ago. 18:29 reva wizzyrea: so I cannot (even as an administrator) edit these pre-selected values for the shelving location? 18:29 * wizzyrea fights the urge to say terribly inappropriate things 18:29 jcamins sekjal: thank goodness I don't have to do that! 18:29 jcamins (and Tuesday-Friday next week, of course) 18:28 wizzyrea ! ok, working monday might be a bit excessive 18:28 sekjal jcamins: just had my first anniversary. Last year at this time we were just getting back from our honeymoon, and I had to make my library's Koha system go live in 3 days 18:28 jcamins As demonstrated by the fact that she wasn't too troubled by the fact that I am working today, and Monday. 18:28 wizzyrea jcamins: oh good. 18:28 jcamins My fiancee's very laid-back. 18:28 wizzyrea the 2nd line was for you, the first for jcamins ;) 18:28 jcamins wizzyrea: I like the juxtaposition. 18:28 wizzyrea yep, sorry I left off your name 18:27 * jcamins giggles 18:27 reva wizzyrea: where you responding to me? 18:27 wizzyrea it's an authorized value 18:27 wizzyrea do you have a bridezilla, or a pretty laid back spouse-to-be 18:27 reva Hi anyone, where in the admin module will I find the "Shelving Location" (such as Audio visual, Children's, etc.) so that I can add/edi locations to/in it? 18:26 wizzyrea >.> 18:26 jcamins I guess this is why normal people take the day before their wedding off... focus is kind of difficult. 18:24 larsw exactly 18:23 wizzyrea like the red shirt guy in star trek? 18:23 wizzyrea lol 18:23 larsw in every movie with a character named Lars, they're a stupid henchman who dies in scene 4 18:23 wizzyrea how so? 18:23 wizzyrea hm, interesting 18:23 larsw I'd recommend against it, actually, there's a huge social stigma in the name Lars 18:22 wizzyrea then I'd have a soren and a lars. A matched set. :) 18:22 larsw heh 18:22 * wizzyrea thinks that if she had another kid, she'd name him lars. Such a great name 18:22 wizzyrea :) thanks 18:21 larsw everyone has, it seems 18:21 * wizzyrea has been (very briefly) to finland 18:21 wizzyrea ^.^ 18:21 larsw yup 18:21 wizzyrea lars: finnish? 18:21 larsw wizzyrea, hyv�� syntym�p�iv�� 18:12 wizzyrea thanks everybody :) 18:12 * wizzyrea feels the love 18:12 cait wizzyrea: happy, happy birthday ! 17:53 * chris_n wishes wizzyrea happy birthday 17:36 indradg wizzyrea, happy birthday :) 17:19 joetho bib itemtypes: at least rename them 17:19 cait hi koha 17:19 joetho I'm gonna jump in the car and go serenade her!! 17:18 joetho Yikes! 17:18 joetho HB??? 17:08 gmcharlt wizzyrea: happy birthday! 17:04 jcamins Happy birthday, wizzyrea! 16:54 nengard when did you upgrade the koha site? somehow i missed the change :) hehe 16:53 wizzyrea :D thanks 16:53 nengard happy birthday wizzyrea! 16:45 wizzyrea so far so good 16:44 owen I hope it's going well 16:43 wizzyrea :) hi 16:40 owen Hey, it's the birthday girl! 16:34 munin 04Bug http://bugs.koha-community.org/bugzilla3/show_bug.cgi?id=4841 normal, P5, ---, gmcharlt, NEW, Advanced search returns 0 results if the itemtype have no items 16:34 * owen was thinking about itemtypes because of Bug 4841 16:29 kf bye all :) 16:28 kf jcamins: I wish you a very happy day tomorrow! 16:28 kf sekjal++ ;) 16:28 kf time to leave for me :) 16:28 jcamins I was going to say, once sekjal et. al. solve that problem, though, I would wholeheartedly support eliminating them. 16:28 kf I am... oh so many typos today 16:27 kf I all for killing them, they are still messing with things 16:27 jcamins Yes. 16:27 * sekjal has a draft spec for analytics 16:27 sekjal jcamins: well, once we solve that problem, though... killing biblio-level itemtypes would work? 16:26 jcamins We use biblio-level itemtypes to deal with the fact that much of our catalog is analytics, which at present can't be linked to physical items. 16:26 * owen will pretend he didn't mention it 16:25 jcamins Nnnoooooo!!!! 16:25 owen Has there been discussion of deprecating biblio-level itemtypes altogether? 16:23 * owen admires/hates the ability of catalogers to give an exception to every example ;) 16:21 jcamins They didn't have them in the 17th century. 16:21 jcamins You can just ignore me... I'm not used to these new-fangled ISBN things. 16:21 jcamins Good point. 16:21 jcamins Maybe not. 16:20 jcamins owen: hm. 16:20 owen jcamins: With the same ISBN? 16:19 jcamins I don't think it's a very common occurrence, but in academic settings the "same" book might be published in two places with different features (for example, New York has the CD, Boston doesn't). 16:18 jcamins kf: there's a bug in the order section? 16:17 kf jcamins: but why have publication place in suggestions, but not in the order then? 16:17 jcamins owen: actually, I can see that mattering. 16:17 kf I don't think they will fill it in 16:17 kf lol 16:16 owen I can just see it: "Well, we tried to find the book you requested, but the one we found was published in Boston, and you said it was published in New York." 16:16 kf and the order from empty form does offer less fields than the suggestion forms in the opac 16:16 kf but you are right about it :) 16:16 kf I am quite it was what the customer wanted 16:11 owen And honestly, "publication place?" What use is that? 16:10 owen kf: I think you will not be the first. It's a very librarianish kind of field to offer 16:10 owen Suggestions follow the AdvancedSearchTypes preference 16:10 kf owen: I am not sure users understand how to use colleactions and itypes, we will probably kill these fields with jquery from the suggestions form in the opac 16:09 munin 04Bug http://bugs.koha-community.org/bugzilla3/show_bug.cgi?id=4832 major, PATCH-Sent, ---, oleonard, ASSIGNED, Re-editing a suggestion changes the item type 16:09 owen There's a whole can of worms around bug 4830 (and bug 4832) related to the fact that suggestions might use ccode or itype depending on your configuration 16:08 nengard those are just the ones i have with values in suggestions not coming over to the order 16:08 nengard oh okay 16:08 owen nengard: Bug 4833 was actually the bug I started out looking at, but thought mine was different in scope 16:07 munin 04Bug http://bugs.koha-community.org/bugzilla3/show_bug.cgi?id=4830 normal, P5, ---, henridamien, NEW, item type on purchase suggestion not carried over 16:07 nengard and bug 4830 16:07 munin 04Bug http://bugs.koha-community.org/bugzilla3/show_bug.cgi?id=4833 minor, P5, ---, henridamien, NEW, show all fields when ordering from suggestion 16:07 nengard bug 4833 16:06 nengard i have a lot of bugs around that one with things not carrying over 16:06 kf owen: have you tested the bug for your problem? 16:06 nengard no prob - we all explain them diff and that's what happens 16:06 munin 04Bug http://bugs.koha-community.org/bugzilla3/show_bug.cgi?id=4829 normal, P5, ---, henridamien, RESOLVED DUPLICATE, publication year in suggestion going to zero 16:06 owen nengard: Thanks, and sorry I missed Bug 4829 when I was searching for the issue in Bugzilla 16:03 kf this was very confusing for me at the beginning, because I was testing the fields with entries like "title" "year" ... 16:02 kf because the display pulls not from the record, but from the database 16:02 kf so if you have no numbers, it will show nothing 16:02 kf yes 16:02 owen Probably the same code that turnes "c. 1990" into a numeric date. 16:01 kf or not deleted, it's in the record, but there is code so that only the numeric part of the entry is saved to publication year or copyright date 16:00 kf owen: not sure it is actually a bug, but if you enter something like "unknown" into publication year, it will be deleted 15:53 kf I thought it was different because of suggestion vs. new order from empty : 15:53 kf oh cool :) 15:52 owen Your patch takes care of my bug as well 15:52 owen kf++ 15:45 kf in German I use Erscheinungsjahr everywhere 15:44 kf not to me 15:44 kf I think the difference is not even very clear in marc21 15:43 owen I wonder if the French translation of Koha takes care of the "publication year" vs. "copyright date" labels? 15:42 nengard thanks 15:42 jcamins nengard: yes, it seems to. 15:42 kf it took me a week to find and solve the problem - I m still very slow at those things - but chris tested my patch 15:42 nengard got a question - does the last seen date get updated when editing items (in batches or one by one)? 15:41 kf but perhaps the confusion is caused by this fact 15:41 kf but suggestions is a table, as long as no marc record is created, your problem might be different 15:40 kf yep 15:40 owen Hence no end of headaches for all of us 15:40 kf unimar: ??? = publicationyear, no mapping for copyrightdate, marc21 no mapping for publicationyear 15:40 kf marc21: 260c = copyrightdate 15:39 kf it's the standard mapping 15:39 kf owen: did not want to cause confusion 15:39 owen Does copyright date not exist in UNIMARC, or is it a matter of which date it prefers? 15:38 owen Thanks kf, I'll take a look at the patch to see if it applies to my bug as well. 15:38 munin 04Bug http://bugs.koha-community.org/bugzilla3/show_bug.cgi?id=5090 critical, PATCH-Sent, ---, katrin.fischer, NEW, New order from empty record does not save publication year and ISBN 15:38 kf owen: I was talking about bug 5090 15:37 owen slef: If only I could remember what it was about... 15:37 slef owen: did I ever find out what you wanted a few days ago? 15:36 kf perhaps I am wrong, my patch addresses new orders from nothing 15:35 kf ah 15:35 kf if you order from a suggestion a new marc record is created, unimarc has no mapping to copyrightdate, it has publicationyear 15:35 kf I have a patch for part of that problem that, it's a UNIMARC/MARC21 problem 15:34 munin 04Bug http://bugs.koha-community.org/bugzilla3/show_bug.cgi?id=5178 normal, P5, ---, oleonard, ASSIGNED, New order from suggestion pulls wrong field for copyright date 15:34 kf bug 5178 15:34 owen Yes 15:34 kf owen: around? 15:30 davi as I promised 15:30 davi in the wiki, with its description, so that we can review them 15:29 davi Is already in the wiki the re-licensing option: AGPLv3+, GPLv3+, as now 14:43 jwagner OK, one patch with both the .pref change and the .sql change? 14:42 gmcharlt single, preferably 14:42 jwagner gmcharlt, two separate patches? 14:42 nengard got a question - does the last seen date get updated when editing items (in batches or one by one)? 14:41 pentarex 10x for the answer 14:41 gmcharlt jwagner: correct - do both 14:39 * slef boogies 14:39 sekjal pentarex: slef is right; you'd have to have two separate patron records for each barcode 14:38 slef pentarex: yes, but the borrower accounts won't be linked AFAICR 14:38 pentarex hey can koha users use different library cards for different library i mean if I have library card for library Centerville can I use other for Union ? 14:38 jwagner gmcharlt? 14:32 jwagner Or do I need to do separate patches depending on the level? 14:32 jwagner And conversely, if I do a patch at a lower level, the yaml stuff won't hurt it? 14:31 jwagner I'm still a bit confused, though. Since I do patches that are meant for several levels of code, am I correct in believing that it won't _hurt_ anything to submit a patch at current head that also has the sysprefs.sql updates? 14:30 * chris_n waves as he heads back out 14:28 jcamins chris_n++ # for providing slef with the explanation that is now on the wiki 14:28 jcamins I need these things in very simple language. ;) 14:27 jcamins The latter. 14:27 wizzyrea http://wiki.koha-community.org/wiki/System_Preferences#Adding_a_new_system_preference 14:26 slef or koha-patches list email 14:26 slef check wiki recent changes 14:25 slef how to add prefs to the code 14:24 nengard jcamins - what kind of explanation? what they do? cause that's in the manual? or how to add prefs to the code? 14:21 jcamins slef++ # I've been wishing someone would put explanations for sysprefs onto the wiki 14:06 hilongo hi hdl :) 14:04 hdl hi 14:03 sekjal that was a lot of operations back, and my mental history file only so long 14:03 sekjal hilongo: I remember messing with Suspension in Days, and being kind of confused by it, and I think that's what I found 14:02 slef hi all 14:02 slef heh 14:02 gmcharlt hi slef 14:02 munin slef: gmcharlt was last seen in #koha 1 day, 22 hours, 18 minutes, and 33 seconds ago: <gmcharlt> with lots of help - ideally Linus would right it, then have an editor to translate to remove the "Git-qua-Linus" aspects of the text 14:02 slef @seen gmcharlt 14:01 hilongo really? ... wow :) 13:57 sekjal the system does some kind of dynamic thing based off the issuing record 13:56 sekjal hilongo: as I recall, the date isn't stored anywhere 13:54 hilongo so ... where would it be? :) 13:53 hilongo what I can't find is where this info is saved. as hdl said to me a few days ago, the patron gets debarred until certain date but I cannot see that date in the patron's record in borrowers table 13:51 hilongo I have found that this works... had some overdued loans and the patrong gets 'suspended' acording to the rules 13:50 hilongo I'm testing the future 3.2 and messing around with the 'suspension in days' circ rules 13:50 magnus g'bye #koha 13:46 hilongo hello #koha :) 13:38 pentarex what is koha harvest port ? 13:32 jcamins I should probably fix this. 13:32 jcamins I realized why, though... my server thinks it's tomorrow. 13:32 jcamins Thank you. 13:30 kf we will help and remind you if we see you here tomorrow! 13:30 kf :) 13:29 nengard hehe 13:27 jcamins 25, in case anyone was wondering. :) 13:27 jcamins So now I am counting the hours so I can't get confused. ;) 13:27 jcamins No, I thought yesterday was Thursday. It's not. :'( 13:25 kf jcamins: is today not your big day? 13:22 nengard koha's site - but i think it's cause liz was upgrading - it's on the new new wp now! :) 13:20 jwagner nengard, which site? 13:14 nengard k - good it's not just me, it timed out on me 13:13 magnus nengard: looks a bit slow from here 13:13 nengard hmmm 13:13 jcamins nengard: I am, but I'm having trouble with the internet in general. 13:11 nengard anyone else having trouble with the koha site? 13:10 nengard sorry jcamins ... i understand your disappointment :( 13:08 jcamins Good morning, #koha (it's Thursday, not Friday like I thought it was going to be :( ) 13:02 nengard howdy 13:02 magnus hiya nengard 11:58 owen I guess not today 11:58 owen pentarex, you will often find them here: paul_p, hdl, nahuel 11:55 pentarex do they have IRC channel ? 11:55 kf sorry pentarex, I have never installed it myself. perhaps someone from biblibre can help, they have done the work on sopac integration 11:55 pentarex anyone got any experience here ? 11:54 pentarex and the node prefix 11:54 pentarex SOPAC URL prefix 11:54 pentarex yeah ive saw it but i cannot make my search I dont understand about this prefix 11:54 kf koha-community.org 11:54 kf args 11:53 kf pentarex: there is some information about it in the manual on koha.org 11:53 Amit heya pentarex 11:52 pentarex is there anyone who knows something about integrating koha to drupal via sopac ? 11:52 pentarex hey guys 11:43 druthb my pleasure. :) 11:43 mib_66k37 druthb: thank you very much 11:42 magnus dagentoob: run rebuild_zebra.pl with the -h option to see available options 11:42 druthb The 3.0.x series is really solid, but there are a lot of newer features in the 3.2 release candidate that are worth looking at, at the cost of (possible) bugs here and there. I think most of the worst ones have been worked out. 11:42 jwagner Hi Amit 11:41 Amit heya jwagner 11:40 mib_66k37 druthb: what version of koha recommended me for a first installation? 11:40 druthb you betcha. Koha is pretty tolerant of that sort of thing; install it according to the directions, and it just works. 11:39 mib_66k37 druthb: thanks 11:38 druthb mib_66k37: the ones that install naturally with Debian (using netinstall or apt-get) work Just Fine. 11:37 mib_66k37 I want to install koha with debian 5.0, which version of perl and mysql need ? 11:35 druthb Mornin', #koha. 11:34 mib_66k37 I want to install koha with debian 5.0, which version of perl and mysql need ? 11:29 dagentoob thanks 11:29 dagentoob thansk 11:29 dagentoob I keep looking at koha.org and not finding stuff 11:28 mib_66k37 I want to install koha with debian 5.0, which version of perl and mysql need ? 11:28 dagentoob k 11:25 dagentoob ./bin/migration_tools/rebuild_zebra.pl -z -b -a 11:25 kf dagentoob: http://koha-community.org/documentation/faq/searching/#5 11:25 kf there is an option to do that for rebuild_zebra.pl 11:24 kf dagentoob: which options did u use for your rebuild? 11:24 dagentoob can I delete the whole zebra DB and start over? 11:22 dagentoob and I am still getting search results for the wrong thing 11:22 dagentoob I tried rebuild_zebra.pl 11:22 dagentoob ?? 11:22 dagentoob anyone know a way to rebuild the zebra database 11:21 dagentoob hey 11:19 mib_66k37 hi 11:18 mib_66k37 hola 11:14 magnus kf: i guess i agree... i'll ask if i can delete the records, i think 11:05 kf yep 11:04 magnus kf: what's confusing? records without items? 11:01 kf I think mark it as withdrawn is better, but not sure what consequences this has for search, checkout etc. our libraries are not using it 11:00 kf sounds confusing for the patron 10:58 magnus or to put it another way: how would you code an item that has been scrapped/thrown away, but where the record should still be kept in the catalogue? just delete the scrapped item? 10:57 magnus how do y'all interpret marc field 952$0 (zero) "withdrawn" - something that has been withdrawn by the publisher? 10:22 chris yup, it still exists 10:17 kf yep: May 18 2001 Glen Stewart leaves his job and working on Koha, gives us cuecat decoding code as a parting gift. 10:16 kf hm, perhaps I read about it in the history :) 10:15 kf chris: hm, didn't you mention the cuecat code in one of your earlier posts? 09:54 * chris bumped into the cuecatdecode code today, and that reminded me to do a new unsung heroes post 09:44 hdl magnus: yes. 09:43 kf I think hdl was here earlier 09:42 magnus anyone from biblibre around? 08:32 chris hi kf 08:29 kf hi chris and magnus 08:22 chris hehe 08:22 magnus hm, maybe i should track them down, stuff them in my suitcase and hand them over to the authorities on my arrival in nz... 08:21 chris a pretty good rule in general i reckon :) 08:19 magnus i remember that one, yeah. i|ll make sure i stay a long way away from any firearms... 08:18 chris http://www.stuff.co.nz/national/3659020/Charges-for-tourists-who-killed-kereru 08:18 chris magnus: just dont copy your fellow norwegians and shoot them :) 08:15 magnus and talking about nz birds: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=9T1vfsHYiKY 08:14 magnus larsw: i'm looking even more forward to kohacon now... ;-) 08:11 magnus hiya chris, hdl, kf et al 08:06 chris hiya hdl 08:06 hdl hi chris 08:06 hdl hi magnus 08:05 chris larsw: cool :) 07:51 kf crazy week 07:22 hdl * 07:05 kf hi hdl 07:02 hdl hi all 06:56 kf ah, great :) 06:54 smustafa yes dear 06:54 kf smustafa: your zebra working now? 06:53 kf #koha 06:53 kf hi äkoha 06:53 smustafa ok bye :) 06:43 wasabi ive got a train to catch now.... 06:42 wasabi ooh, great stuff! 06:42 smustafa Thanks wasabi :D 06:42 smustafa ok dear it worked 06:34 magnus g'day #koha 06:29 wasabi its working, when you get search-results back ;) 06:26 smustafa I think it is working Wasabi, I see that it is adding gr.marcxml.record and it was not doing that before.. 06:25 larsw chris, http://soap.docstory.fi/posts/birds/ :) 06:25 smustafa so I am waiting.. 06:25 smustafa it is still saying exporting biblio 06:23 wasabi yep, no problem.. 06:21 smustafa let me try that and get back to you dear 06:19 wasabi then try yr search again 06:18 smustafa ok let me try that wasabi 06:18 wasabi ... starts your zeb 06:18 wasabi smustafa: $ zebrasrv -f /home/mistuser/koha-dev/etc/koha-conf.xml 06:17 wasabi zebra-indexing, and the zebrasrv process are 2 seperate things 06:16 wasabi but, if you dont rememebr starting your zebrasrv, process then it prolly is not started 06:16 cait bbl 06:15 wasabi is how to check 06:14 wasabi smustafa: $ ps -ef|grep zebrasrv 05:50 smustafa its alright :) 05:46 cait sorry, I can't look at my notes now, have to get ready for work 05:39 smustafa how do I start it.. 05:38 cait but most of the times indexing was ok and I got no results I forgot to start zebrasrv 05:38 smustafa also 0 size.. 05:38 smustafa same for the koha-zebraqueue.err and koha-zebraqueue-output.log 05:38 smustafa The size of koha-zebradaemon.err and koha-zebradaemon-output.log is 0 both 05:38 cait me neither 05:38 smustafa not sure why.. 05:38 smustafa it is trying to load some filter modules...and it works ok, but then it stops at 01:47:06-26/08 zebraidx(26648) [log] Loaded filter module /usr/lib/idzebra-2.0/modules/mod-alvis.so 05:37 cait no errors in the output of rebuild zebra? 05:37 smustafa +++++++++++++++++++++++ 05:37 smustafa well at the last step of REINDINXG Zebra 05:37 cait not sure one needs the other 05:36 Amit heya cait 05:35 smustafa when I ran in it.. 05:35 smustafa It shows exporting biblio....................etc etc 05:35 smustafa well I think so, otherwise the zebraindexing would not be running right? 05:34 cait is your zebrasrv running? 05:33 smustafa it does not return anything.. 05:33 smustafa I can't seem to search eventhough I ran the zebra indexing 05:32 cait hi Amit 05:29 wasabi hey amit 05:26 Amit heya wasabi 05:21 smustafa THanks, I shall do that :) 05:18 wasabi to fix your possible file-perm errors... 05:18 wasabi $ chown -R koha:koha /home/mistuser/koha-dev/etc/zebradb 05:17 cait still half asleep :) 05:17 wasabi as cait said before 05:16 cait sorry, I just got up 05:16 wasabi look for file-permission errors at the end of the rebuild... 05:15 smustafa ok thanks wasabi.. :) 05:15 wasabi ;) 05:15 smustafa oh is that why...ok now I see things showing up.... 05:14 wasabi -v means verbose 05:14 wasabi smustafa: rebuild_zebra.pl -v 05:13 cait and make sure your zebra files are owned by your koha user 05:13 cait I would peraps try -v as option to see more 05:13 smustafa ok.. 05:13 cait sorry smustafa, no real idea 05:12 smustafa trying to setup Zebra on my Koha-DEV setup...but when I run the rebuild_zebra.pl tool it does not work... 05:12 smustafa <smustafa> export KOHA_CONF=/home/mistuser/koha-dev/etc/koha-conf.xml <smustafa> I did that as koha:koha <smustafa> then I did perl -I /var/www/koha-2010-08-04 /var/www/koha-2010-08-04/misc/migration_tools/rebuild_zebra.pl -b -a -r <smustafa> but it shows nothing on the screen. Just stays there hanging.... 05:12 smustafa or cait? 05:12 smustafa any ideas wasabi? 05:05 cait morning #koha 05:04 smustafa :( :( 05:04 smustafa but it shows nothing on the screen. Just stays there hanging.... 05:04 smustafa then I did perl -I /var/www/koha-2010-08-04 /var/www/koha-2010-08-04/misc/migration_tools/rebuild_zebra.pl -b -a -r 05:04 smustafa I did that as koha:koha 05:04 smustafa export KOHA_CONF=/home/mistuser/koha-dev/etc/koha-conf.xml 05:03 wasabi s/way/away/ 05:03 wasabi smustafa: but ask way... :) 05:03 wasabi 5pm, NZ time 05:02 smustafa oh ok 05:02 wasabi smustafa: chris has prolly just left werk, to go home.. 04:42 smustafa Is Chris available at this time? to discuss how to get Zebra working on DEV koha setup... 04:41 smustafa good morning everyone. 04:40 chobbs no worries - tracked down my issue on my own :) 04:37 robin nope 04:36 chobbs anyone awake? 03:22 Amit heya chris