Time  Nick       Message
02:12 chris_n    g'evening
02:12 chris      hiya chris_n
02:12 chris_n    how's monday going chris?
02:12 chris      so far so good
02:13 chris_n    this week is already becoming too short for my list
02:14 chris      that sounds like every week :)
03:23 Amit       heya chris, brendan
03:23 Amit       @wounder Bangalore
03:23 munin      Amit: Error: "wounder" is not a valid command.
03:26 Amit       @wunder New Delhi
03:26 munin      Amit: The current temperature in New Delhi, India is 29.0�C (8:30 AM IST on August 16, 2010). Conditions: Scattered Clouds. Humidity: 89%. Dew Point: 27.0�C. Pressure: 29.71 in 1006 hPa (Steady).
03:26 Amit       @wunder Dehradun
03:26 munin      Amit: The current temperature in Dehradun, India is 24.0�C (5:30 AM IST on August 16, 2010). Conditions: Haze. Humidity: 96%. Dew Point: 23.0�C. Pressure: 29.70 in 1006 hPa.
04:01 cait       morning #koha
04:01 chrisc     hi cait
04:01 cait       hi chris
04:13 larsw      hi, ciat
04:13 larsw      er, cait
04:13 larsw      typing's hard
04:13 cait       hi lwars
04:13 cait       larsw ;)
04:13 larsw      :)
04:13 cait       I can say it's too early
04:16 cait       and vacation was too short
04:17 Amit       heya cait, chrisc
04:17 cait       hi amit
04:18 larsw      hi, chris :)
04:18 chris      heya larsw and Amit
04:19 Amit       heya larsw
04:19 larsw      hi, Amit
04:52 indradg_   hi all... morning!
04:55 cait       time to go to work, bbl
05:01 indradg_   chris, around?
05:02 indradg_   @wunder Kolkata
05:02 munin      indradg_: The current temperature in Kolkata, India is 33.0�C (10:20 AM IST on August 16, 2010). Conditions: Haze. Humidity: 71%. Dew Point: 27.0�C. Pressure: 29.71 in 1006 hPa (Steady).
05:06 indradg_   Amit, morning
05:15 Amit       heya indradg_
05:16 indradg_   Amit, have you used GoogleJackets?
05:16 Amit       yes
05:19 indradg_   Amit, I ran into this issue yesterday - http://bugs.koha-community.org/bugzilla3/show_bug.cgi?id=5138
05:19 munin      04Bug 5138: normal, P5, ---, oleonard, NEW, Erroneous display for OPACShelfBrowser with GoogleJackets enabled
05:19 indradg_   any idea Amit ^^^
05:19 Amit       wait
05:19 Amit       i have to see
05:19 indradg_   ok
05:20 Amit       indradg: same image of book on browse shelf
05:26 indradg_   Amit, yes
05:27 kf         back :)
05:28 Amit       heya kf
05:29 Amit       indradg_: hmm i have the same problem
05:29 Amit       same book cover comes
05:30 indradg_   Amit, ok! so this is replicable issue.... that good!
05:30 Amit       yes
05:31 indradg_   bugzilla has auto assigned owen... haven't seem him online yet
05:31 Amit       i have to check this on another version of koha
05:32 indradg_   which version did you check against atm?
05:32 Amit       3.0.6
05:35 indradg_   ok
05:36 Amit       indradg_: it's running fine on master branch
05:36 indradg_   hmmmm
06:31 magnus     g'day #koha
06:51 kf         hi magnus
06:51 magnus     Guten Morgen, kf!
06:51 Amit       heya magnus
06:51 kf         :)
06:51 magnus     hi Amit
06:51 magnus     @wunder bodo, norway
06:51 munin      magnus: The current temperature in Bodo, Norway is 11.0�C (8:50 AM CEST on August 16, 2010). Conditions: Partly Cloudy. Humidity: 62%. Dew Point: 4.0�C. Pressure: 30.33 in 1027 hPa (Steady).
06:58 * magnus   wonders if anyone knows how http://fpl.apkn.org/ works - do all the libraries use koha as their main system, or are records federated from other systems into a union catalogue?
07:08 indradg_   magnus, do you have a koha 3.0.6 install around?
07:10 magnus     indradg_: sorry, i only have 3.01.00.061 and HEAD
07:11 indradg_   magnus, ok! /me is running into bug 5138
07:11 munin      04Bug http://bugs.koha-community.org/bugzilla3/show_bug.cgi?id=5138 normal, P5, ---, oleonard, NEW, Erroneous display for OPACShelfBrowser with GoogleJackets enabled
07:11 magnus     hm, don't think i ever tried enabling Google Jackets...
07:15 indradg_   magnus, the bug only comes up in the Shelf browser... not for one-on-one opac queries
07:16 indradg_   magnus, being in India... imho Google jackets cover more items than Amazon (for books)
07:16 magnus     cool
07:17 Amit       indradg: which version of koha r u using
07:19 indradg_   Amit, 3.00.06.010
11:43 kf         monday--
11:43 kf         @karma monday
11:43 munin      kf: Karma for "monday" has been increased 1 time and decreased 5 times for a total karma of -4.
11:45 jwagner    kf, I have thought for years that what we really need is a five-day weekend and a two-day workweek.  But then Monday (or the equivalent) would be REALLY bad....
11:46 paul_p     kf & jwagner : does it mean you're not happy to go to work every day ? I am, so, monday, tuesday or saturday, i'm happy either (as we is for my family, which I love too, of course)
11:48 kf         paul_p: I love my work too, but on mondays strange things tend to happen
11:48 kf         suddenly appearing migration problems, not noticed for months (missing items) or such things
11:49 jwagner    paul_p, I love my job, but I don't like Mondays....
11:59 * magnus   did "rm *" in the wrong directory earlier today...
12:02 * jwagner  sends much sympathy to magnus -- been there, done that...
12:02 magnus     thanks! at least it wasn't "rm -r *"
12:03 magnus     and there is supposed to be a backup somewhere
12:04 jwagner    or at the root level
12:04 druthb     howdy, #koha. :)
12:04 owen       Hi everyone
12:17 kf         hi druthb and owen :)
12:19 magnus     hiya druthb, owen et al
12:21 owen       Does anyone know what Jo meant when she said on the list "Chrome interface does not 'show' reserves when items are being checked in"
12:21 kf         perhaps that the message does not come up?
12:21 kf         the message box
12:22 kf         never worked with chrome, but that's what I thought
12:22 owen       It does
12:22 owen       I guess I'll reply and ask
12:23 kf         hm you never see if there are waiting reserves for the borrower (although this would be nice) and fines
12:23 kf         i think you only see if items were overdue
12:23 owen       ?
12:23 kf         but perhaps hlt has some more features
12:23 kf         at check-in
12:24 kf         you don't see information about waiting reserves for the borrower or open fines, you have to open the account for that information
12:24 kf         so if the box shows I have no idea... just thinking loud.
12:24 kf         it's monday...
12:24 * kf       goes and hides under her desk
12:36 * jwagner  joins kf
12:37 * druthb   joins kf and jwagner, and brings cookies.
12:38 magnus     can i come too?
12:40 * jwagner  proposes a group Monday hideout
12:42 kf         cookies... *sighs happily*
12:42 * jwagner  will bring chocolate :-)
12:42 kf         magnus: we can use my coworkers desk too, enough room for 4 people
12:42 jwagner    We have a nice big table in our conference room -- plenty of space for hiding :-)
12:42 magnus     kf: cool!
12:43 magnus     jwagner: even better
12:43 kf         lol
12:46 schuster   wish I could join you but have 2 presentations Wednesday that I must get done!!  and our office is under renovation so generally people can't find me anyway!
12:47 magnus     schuster: good for you ;-)
12:57 jcamins    Good morning, #koha
13:03 owen       Hi jcamins
13:04 kf         hi jcamins
13:07 magnus     g'day jcamins
13:28 kf         jwagner: I have a library comlaining about bug 4385 - any news there?
13:28 munin      04Bug http://bugs.koha-community.org/bugzilla3/show_bug.cgi?id=4385 enhancement, P5, ---, oleonard, NEW, With XSLT on, results list doesn't show both hardcopy and URL availability
13:28 sekjal     kf: I've got a patch for that
13:28 sekjal     just need to rebase it to the latest master (it's a few revisions back)
13:29 kf         sekjal: you would make me really happy - in fact it's the third of our three libraries complaining about that ...
13:29 sekjal     kf: I'm doing some training today, but I'll have it ported over very soon.
13:29 kf         we have a lot of urls in the record, urls to covers, reviews and tocs
13:30 kf         catalog enrichment from our union catalog
13:30 kf         sekjal: thx :)
13:30 sekjal     I'm glad it's something other folks are interested in; I'd whipped it up as an XSLT customization, and wasn't sure it would be universal enough to fold into Koha
13:32 jwagner    kf, was off on another screen, just saw this.  sekjal, how does your fix work?
13:33 jwagner    The workaround I figured out was to put hardcopy & URL availability on separate lines
13:33 sekjal     jwagner: as I recall, that's the way mine displays, as well
13:33 kf         sekjal: I am sure others are interested too. I think there are more libraries with links for catalog enrichment, not only online ressources
13:52 greenmang  hello friends... http://zoom.z3950.org/bind/perl/ this site lists a perl binding for searching LoC online catalogue, can anybody tell me what does "@attr 1=7" means?
13:54 greenmang  i just found that @attr 1=7 is used for ISBN number... but why 7 is used for ISBN or why 4 is used for Book Title or 1003 for Author name? is it a standard? where can I find it?
13:58 magnus     greenmang: http://www.loc.gov/z3950/agency/defns/bib1.html
13:59 magnus     greenmang: http://www.loc.gov/z3950/agency/bib1.html
14:00 magnus     one of those areas where library data gets really obscure...
14:05 wasabi     nice magnus - i dont think ive every seen that BIB-1 doc before
14:06 magnus     i don't know how i would live without it... ;-)
14:06 greenmang  magnus: thanks a lot :)
14:09 wasabi     lol, the marc spec's are so crazy... - the 'identifiers' especially
14:11 magnus     yep, time to put a lot of this tech out of it's suffering and start using modern tools/formats etc! :-)
14:11 wasabi     cataloguing using them correctly, and coding to handle them correctly in the marc-editor is really difficult
14:11 wasabi     yes please!
14:12 wasabi     someone described RDA to me recently, saying the final (and most difficult) part of the spec was incomplete...
14:14 wasabi     it sounded like the RDA-spec team still had doubts to whether the final part was even do-able
14:15 briceSanc  hi all !
14:15 wasabi     (that's how it was explained to me - by an v. experienced cataloger )
14:20 magnus     wasabi: RDA sounds like the worst kind of design-by-committee...
14:20 * magnus   signs off before blood preassure starts to rise... ;-)
15:04 owen       Hi collum
15:05 collum     Hi owen
15:10 kf         hi collum
15:14 collum     Good Morning, almost afternoon, kf.
15:14 kf         not almost :)
15:14 owen       Almost evening kf? :)
15:15 kf         yep
15:15 kf         5 pm
15:16 kf         5:24
15:16 kf         so time to leave and go home - bye all :)
15:17 owen       Another questionable "open source" label? http://www.librarytechnology.org/ltg-displaytext.pl?RC=15003
15:19 owen       No mention that it's Windows-only. No mention of version control
15:19 jcamins    Isn't gist the name of a Linux installer stack?
15:21 jcamins    Also, aren't you not supposed to use CC for source code?
15:23 jcamins    Sorry, I was thinking of yast.
15:23 briceSanc  what is the best Authorities script to import marc records : bulkauthimport.pl or bulkmarcimport.pl ?
15:23 briceSanc  for koha 3.2beta
15:25 owen       jcamins: Did you see a reference to CC?
15:26 owen       briceSanc: I think bulkmarcimport. I'm not sure bulkauthimport works if I remember correctly
15:26 owen       I've used bulkmarcimport to import authorities successfully
15:27 briceSanc  and how you manage duplicates ?
15:27 owen       Sorry briceSanc, I've only run tests. I don't have experience with duplicates
15:27 briceSanc  ok
15:27 * owen     is not an actual authorities user, just plays one when testing
15:28 briceSanc  no problems
15:28 jcamins    owen: I downloaded the source.
15:28 owen       From where?
15:28 briceSanc  thank you
15:28 wasabi     GIST -> 'Access to your ILLiad web server (written on .net framework, so GIST will work for OCLC hosted sites)'
15:28 wasabi     http://toolkit.idsproject.org/doku.php?id=wiki:gist
15:29 wasabi     or is that req. just for 'GIST for ILLiad Webpages'
15:29 jcamins    Yep. That's where I downloaded it from.
15:30 wasabi     looks like GIST runs on win-fail.. :/
15:32 wasabi     ...and a current OCLC-iliad account?
15:34 wasabi     still looks interesting tho
15:35 jcamins    wasabi: I'm not sure those two things can be counted against it too harshly. After all, if you are an ILLIAD customer who needs to do whatever it does on Windows, why should you be expected to develop something cross-platform.
15:36 wasabi     sure, i agree ;)
15:36 wasabi     its worth looking at to see how someone else does an acq. workflow
16:23 OpenUser   Good Afternoon.  "Checked out to" on the Holding screen. Does anyone know why this would dissappear when I upgrade Koha and how I might get it back?
16:23 OpenUser   Sorry,. in the STATUS row
16:23 wizzyrea   perhaps there is a syspref?
16:23 OpenUser   I did try looking but can't see one!
16:23 wizzyrea   what did you upgrade to?
16:23 OpenUser   3.06
16:29 cait       hi #koha
16:30 OpenUser   hi
16:38 owen       Hmm... interesting function name in the javascript calendar library we're using, "continuation_for_the_fucking_khtml_browser"
16:40 jcamins    Wow.
16:40 wizzyrea   lol!
16:40 wizzyrea   nerd rage!
16:41 owen       Who else but a nerd would get enraged so? :)
16:43 cfouts     I can't even type that without gritting my teeth in sympathy
16:43 cait       :)
16:44 * collum   now wants to do a recursive grep for dirty words
16:44 * wizzyrea giggles
16:46 briceSanc  do you know if authorities are import in Koha-DB or Zebra-DB
16:46 briceSanc  ?
16:47 JeremyLC   find . -type f -exec grep -Hi "#$%^" "{}" \;
16:49 jcamins    briceSanc: Zebra extracts authority data from the Koha database.
16:54 briceSanc  jcamins, they take place in import_records table ?
16:54 jcamins    briceSanc: I've never tried importing authority records, so I'm not sure.
16:55 briceSanc  ok
16:55 briceSanc  ;)
17:27 indradg_   owen, ping
17:27 owen       Hi
17:27 indradg_   owen, saw your patch
17:28 indradg_   going to test it now
17:43 jcamins    Hm. I think this might be a bug. When I duplicate a 773 field, and try to add a subfield 'g' to the field I just created, it adds a subfield g to the original 773 field.
17:48 cait       it definitely sounds like a bug
18:02 briceSanc  someone could help with the script bulkmarcimport.pl and the option -match ?
18:04 jcamins    briceSanc: I could not get -match to work for me. Probably you want to use the stage_biblios_file.pl and commit_biblios_file.pl scripts.
18:05 jcamins    Unless you're still importing authorities, in which case I have no idea how to do it.
18:09 aarkerio   hi! how can add a new "admin" user ?
18:10 owen       Add a new patron and and change their permissions
18:10 aarkerio   I created a Personal->Staff user but I get Error: Unauthorized user
18:10 owen       The type of patron doesn't matter, only the permissions
18:10 briceSanc  jcamins, i still importing authorities and -match does work on my script.
18:10 aarkerio   there is no "Admin" patron?
18:10 briceSanc  si i continue to search...
18:11 jcamins    aarkerio: you have to set the permissions.
18:12 ebegin     aarkerio, do you have access to your installation directory?  If so, look for <user> in the etc/koha-conf.xml file
18:14 ebegin     the one in the <config> section is your admin username with the <pass> just after.
18:15 ebegin     You can use it to create your first account.  And then, as jcamins suggest, create your own user with the superlibrarian permissions
18:15 aarkerio   ebegin, No, I mean I want to create new accounts for library staff
18:15 aarkerio   I created "Admin" categorie but I can not found permission screen
18:16 ebegin     More » Set Permissions
18:16 ebegin     (in the user account)
18:17 ebegin     aarkerio, Got it?
18:18 aarkerio   There is no "More->Set Permissions" option in More menu
18:19 owen       aarkerio: Do you have the patron's record open on the screen?
18:20 owen       You're not looking for the "more" menu item at the very top of the page, but the "more" toolbar button which is alongside the "edit," "change password," etc. buttons
18:20 aarkerio   I see "Patron Category Administration" and I created a new "Admin" catgory in "Personal"
18:21 owen       aarkerio: Forget about patron categories
18:21 owen       Do a patron search for the patron you want to be an administrator
18:21 owen       Click that patron's name to view the record
18:21 owen       Then look for the "more" menu button in the button toolbar on that page
18:22 ebegin     aarkerio, this will help you : http://koha-community.org/documentation/3-2-manual/?ch=x5732
18:24 aarkerio   thanks for your help, but I wanna create an "Admin" rol  and add the new users so the permissions are in the "heritance"
18:24 owen       aarkerio: You can't do that. It's not how it works.
18:25 aarkerio   I don't wanna edit user by user until finish 30 users
18:25 aarkerio   there is no ACL in Koha?
18:26 cait       you don't need a user for every staff member, you can also use group logins, if you like that better
18:27 owen       aarkerio: Permissions are attached to a user, not a category
18:27 cait       one patron for more than one person
18:27 owen       aarkerio: You could also update a group of patron's permissions directly in MySQL if you needed to do a bulk modification
18:28 aarkerio   ok, thx a lot!!
18:28 ebegin     aarkerio, or there is the Import User features in the Tools module allowing you to import user from a csv file
18:30 aarkerio   I will review http://search.cpan.org/~iroberts/Solaris-ACL-0.06/ACL.pm    and see how difficult is implement Acces Control Lists in perl
18:30 owen       aarkerio: Feel free to add an RFC to the wiki if you develop a plan to add the feature to Koha
18:32 aarkerio   I'm a python coder and I am  little rusty on Perl so I will check,  thx to all!
19:48 indradg_   owen, around?
19:48 owen       Yes
19:48 indradg_   owen, working nicely! http://opac.wbsub.ac.in/cgi-bin/koha/opac-detail.pl?biblionumber=14463&shelfbrowse_itemnumber=15#shelfbrowser
19:48 indradg_   :)
19:50 owen       Great!
19:54 Flanagan   My cataloger needs some instruction in importing OCLC records into Koha. Can someone direct me, please?
20:26 wizzyrea   Flanagan: http://koha-community.org/documentation/3-2-manual/?ch=c7165#AEN7171
20:26 wizzyrea   may help you
20:27 wizzyrea   flanagan also: http://koha-community.org/documentation/3-2-manual/?ch=x5033
20:28 * chris    says hi from the airport
20:28 brendan    hi chris_airport
20:29 wizzyrea   hey chris
20:30 Flanagan   I'll check those out.  Thanks.
20:34 * chris    is off to christchurch for the day to do some koha work at the spinal unit of the hospital
20:34 chris      They are long time koha users
20:34 wizzyrea   ooh, fun
20:34 cait       hi chris
20:34 chris      Hiya cait
20:35 cait       have a nice day in christchurch :)
20:35 chris      Thank you
20:36 cait       ok, bed time - bye all :)
20:38 chris      Ok boarding time to switch the phone off
21:20 JeremyLC   Is it possible to use Koha without using MARC? I saw, through some searching, that that feature ell by the wayside a couple years back, but I couldn't find weather it ever made it back in.
21:23 sekjal     JeremyLC: no, I don't believe it did
21:23 sekjal     it would be great to allow for other metadata formats than MARC, but it would be a bear to get Zebra to be able digest them
21:23 JeremyLC   I'm not seeing how to do cataloguing without using MARC records
21:24 JeremyLC   "Yes Koha was originally designed to be used without MARC. As MARC support was added this functionality was lost. Its something I definitely want to add back. At least the ability to not ever have to see MARC, even if it is being used in the background" - Chris Cormack
21:25 JeremyLC   guess we'll have to sort out what to do with the MARC records, then
21:26 sekjal     the interface could certainly be modified to hide MARC from the user
21:27 JeremyLC   I think we just need to setup some pared-down frameworks for our materials
21:28 JeremyLC   the default "new framework" has a mind bending 15+ pages of fields
21:47 darling    JeremyLC, chris is out of the office today or he'd probably have you a response by now
21:47 wizzyrea   hm, can someone tell me which marc field the pubdate sort is sorting on?
21:47 wizzyrea   when you search in the opac?
22:08 JeremyLC   I'll try to catch him later.  Time for me to leave my office now, too.