Time Nick Message 00:55 robin Who runs the Koha git server? 00:55 robin Fetching kc 00:55 robin git.koha-community.org[0: 174.143.233.17]: errno=Connection refused 00:55 robin fatal: unable to connect a socket (Connection refused) 01:00 larsw hi, robin 01:00 robin larsw: hola 01:35 chris yeah someone one something rebooted the server, gitweb is up, the gitserver isnt 01:35 chris gmcharlt or brendan 01:35 chris both of whom will be asleep 01:36 chris try that 01:37 * chris goes back to rfp 02:52 chris im pretty sure that Christopher White is not actually running Koha 02:57 jcamins If my nick has been bobbing on and off IRC, I do apologize. 02:57 jcamins Network troubles, and we weren't able to log in long enough to disable autorecon. 02:58 chris jcamins: you arent even noticeable in the noise of everyone else ;) 02:58 chris ppl bounce in and out a lot 02:58 jcamins Good. 02:59 jcamins I just read that e-mail. It does seem odd. 02:59 chris i do know that one of hte things LEK did, is rename db columns 03:00 chris just another thing to make reintegration hard 03:00 chris sure fixing typos is good, but if its lasted 9 years, i think we could just leave it :) 03:00 jcamins Heh. 03:01 jcamins What a mess, upgrading. 03:02 chris yup 03:02 jcamins I guess maybe that was the point. 03:02 chris i think so 03:03 chris if you are gonna lock ppl in, the point is to make the lock difficult to pick 03:03 jcamins Yeah, I guess. 03:52 Amit heya chris 04:01 richard hi Amit 04:01 richard bit of a towelling for india in the cricket 04:02 Amit heya richard 04:02 Amit hmm only 88 runs it is shameless 04:03 Amit richard: India also loose ODI ranking one NZ 2nd India 3rd 04:04 richard that is surprising. i didn't realise that nz were in a position to be that high 04:10 Amit hmm 04:11 Amit richard: NZ is good in bowling department 06:42 * magnus finds koha-community.org as hit #4 on google today, after koha.org, wikipedia and some hockey team 06:43 chris moving up slowly :) 06:50 magnus slowly but surely :-) 06:52 wasabi reminds me to add 'koha-community.org' meta-tag stuff to my website... 06:53 wasabi fyi: http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Meta_element 07:51 cait morning #koha 07:55 magnus morning cait 07:55 cait hi magnus :) 09:18 * magnus wonders if koha has any kind of presence at IFLA2010 09:20 chris not that im aware of 09:28 cait hi chris 09:35 chris hi cait 09:42 cait :) 09:46 cait someone around who wants to help me with a perl problem? :) 09:46 chris maybe :) 09:47 cait ah :) 09:47 cait ok, bug 5003 09:47 munin 04Bug http://bugs.koha-community.org/bugzilla3/show_bug.cgi?id=5003 normal, P5, ---, kyle.m.hall, NEW, Can not search for organisation by name 09:47 cait the problem is, that gurarantor_search.pl always searches for patron category A 09:48 cait because it does not know if its started from an C or P account 09:48 cait I tried to pass the category_type as url parameter, but I am not sure how to get this parameter into a variable in search_gurarantor.pl - what I tried is not working :( 09:51 cait working on a paste :) 09:52 chris k 09:54 cait http://paste.koha-community.org/42 09:58 chris that looks ok to me 09:59 * chris will try something 10:00 chris so you end up at the search box right? 10:02 chris [Wed Aug 11 22:02:10 2010] [error] [client 203.97.214.51] [Wed Aug 11 22:02:10 2010] guarantor_search.pl: C at /home/chris/git/koha.git/members/guarantor_search.pl line 50. 10:03 chris seems to be passing it through for me 10:03 chris but when i search, it doesnt (which makes sense because its not set in the form in the template) 10:04 chris so what you need to do is pass that variable through to that template, then set it as a hiddent input 10:06 cait ah 10:06 cait thx chris, I will try that 10:42 smustafa hello everyone... 10:42 smustafa I need help with my zebra + koha 3.1 latest 10:43 smustafa When I run rebuild_zebra -a -b -z 10:43 smustafa I get nothing, no errors, no display nothing 10:43 smustafa and when I search Koha, still no results show 10:43 smustafa :( :( 10:45 chris run it with -a -b -r -v 10:46 chris for the first run 10:46 chris that will reset and rebuild the indexes, in verbose mode 10:46 chris and if any errors occur you will see them 10:47 smustafa sighs.. 10:47 chris if no errors, then you need to check you zebrasrv log (assuming zebrasrv is running of course .. search wont work without that) to see the error 10:47 smustafa let me try 10:48 chris wth the -z switch and without -v it will only update whats been changed (ie whats in the zebraqueue) and with no output, its designed ot be silent to be run as a cron job 10:48 smustafa wow 10:48 smustafa that actually did something!!! 10:49 smustafa thanks alot dear 10:49 wasabi yep, -r is 'reset' 10:49 chris -z will be doing something too, if you have changes waiting to be indexed in your zebraqueue 10:49 smustafa I didnt 10:49 smustafa because I used the same machine that had my koha 3.0 before but simply deleted the folder and re-installed the DEV of koha 3.1 10:49 smustafa I think thats why :) 10:50 chris then it was doing exactly what you told it to, nothng :) 10:50 smustafa thanks alot chris 10:50 smustafa it works now :D 10:50 smustafa let me check the OPAC 10:50 chris cool 10:50 smustafa its perfect 10:50 smustafa thank you :D 10:50 smustafa now I am happier than before hehe 11:03 cait smustafa: I wrote a patch for your LC call number search problem - perhaps you want test it 11:04 smustafa Cait, i don't know how to apply patches to my local branch 11:04 smustafa :( 11:04 smustafa but I did see the code of the patch and I will implement it on my code 11:05 smustafa thank you by the way Cait, I will also use the way you implemented it to add another field called search by DLC number 11:05 smustafa My director wants that also... 11:06 cait perhaps you want to try to apply it, that's the command I always use: 11:06 cait git am -s -3 -i -u name_of_patch 11:07 cait but don't ask me about the options :) 11:07 smustafa tehehe 11:07 smustafa whats the name of your patch? does it say it in the e-mail? 11:08 cait its attached to the bug 11:08 cait bug 5092 11:08 munin 04Bug http://bugs.koha-community.org/bugzilla3/show_bug.cgi?id=5092 normal, PATCH-Sent, ---, katrin.fischer, NEW, No results when searching by LC Call Number: in Z39.50 Server 11:09 cait click on the link "proposed patch" in the attachemet table at the top of the page to save it as .patch file 11:09 smustafa ok let me see 11:09 smustafa ahh I have to apply by file? Not remotely? 11:10 smustafa shoot let me search git 11:12 cait it is not in head yet 11:12 cait I would use a branch for testing 11:12 smustafa oh I see, so I do git am -s -3 -i -u /usr/share/patch_filename.patch 11:12 smustafa something like that 11:13 cait look ok to me 11:16 smustafa It worked great thank you so much cait 11:16 smustafa now I learned how to apply file patches also :D 11:16 smustafa woho 11:17 cait I learned from chris :) 11:17 smustafa hehe chris helps everyone 11:17 cait yes, he is great 11:17 cait chris++ 11:17 cait will be back in a few minutes 11:18 paul_p chris answers so many questions, that I suspect there are 2 or 3 chris in fact :D 11:18 paul_p ( hello cait & smustafa ) 11:18 smustafa :) 11:18 smustafa alright guys, I will be leaving 11:18 smustafa take care and thanks for helping out :) :) 11:33 cait hi paul_p 12:13 owen Hi #koha 12:17 cait hi owen :) 12:21 cait chris: yay it works :) 12:37 cait bye all ! :) 12:38 jwagner owen, Bug 5113 -- Kurt's on an older mainstream version. The problem is fixed in later versions. 12:38 munin 04Bug http://bugs.koha-community.org/bugzilla3/show_bug.cgi?id=5113 normal, P5, ---, jwagner, NEW, Some OPAC search results not hyperlinked in Internet Explorer 8 12:39 owen jwagner: Thanks, I knew you were the one who would know 12:41 jwagner Not sure where/what the fix was, but it's OK in both head and harley 13:00 owen I was just testing Bug 2585 to see if it was still an issue, and I'm getting weird results for a record which uses an authority record for its author 13:00 munin 04Bug http://bugs.koha-community.org/bugzilla3/show_bug.cgi?id=2585 normal, PATCH-Sent, ---, gmcharlt, ASSIGNED, XSLT bib details: search links for authorized names can be incorrect 13:01 owen The XSLT OPAC detail view shows duplicate author links 13:02 owen One links to the author name (?q=au:Author,Name). The other links to what appears to be an authority search by number? 13:02 owen "?q=an:2" 13:05 owen I don't use authorities records outside of testing, so I don't know if this is typical or not 13:05 owen Has anyone else seen this? 13:06 nengard owen, i've seen it, but not as duplicates - i've seen it as one or the other way 13:07 nengard i think it should always do an author search - not an authority search 13:07 nengard let me go see what i get in my system 13:08 nengard where are you seeing duplicates? I only see one link and in my case it's going to authority 13:08 owen OPAC, XSLT on, detail page. 13:14 nengard on the OPAC, XSLT on, detail page for me I see the author links at the top - but i only see them once - not twice .... 13:14 jcamins_a Good morning. 13:15 nengard sorry - got to run - will be back later 13:18 owen Should the import tool in the staff client work for authority records, or am I dreaming? 13:19 jcamins_a It's a good dream. 13:25 owen Should the bulkmarcimport command line tool work without errors or am I dreaming about that too? :( 13:26 owen DBD::mysql::st execute failed: Column 'authtypecode' cannot be null 13:28 jcamins I never tried it, but I think it's supposed to. 13:29 owen I thought I'd download an authority record from LOC to see if it was my hand-entered authority record that was causing my problem 13:32 owen False alarm, I was trying to import the wrong record 13:39 owen Okay, after successfully importing an author authority record at attaching it to a record I'm getting different results than my hand-edited one 13:39 owen No duplicate now, but the link points to the authority search 13:55 mib_btkt1 Good afternoon. Does anyone know how difficult it is too add other marc tags to OPAC? e.g 856 tag or even custom tags? I was looking at the opac-detail.tmpl and an MARC21 xsl page but nothing! 13:56 owen mib_btkt1: Modifying the xsl page is probably the best way to approach it, but it's not exactly simple 13:56 jcamins mib_btkt1: if you want to change the OPAC display, it's very straightforward if you know XSLT. 13:56 owen mib_btkt1: 856 should display already though 13:58 mib_btkt1 Sorry 856 was just an example! So editing the xsl file is the way to go? What about manipulating existing tags? E.g the Subject(s) is included subfields I want seperated out to other tags etc? 13:59 owen mib_btkt1: The xsl file is the best way to go if you want to get down to handling specific MARC tags and subfields. The sky's the limit, as long as you can figure out the XML 14:00 mib_btkt1 Thanks, I just can't find the "Subject (s)" text anywhere in that document. On a side note, has anyone ever thought of a GUI for adding/removing tags? Something I might look at one day! 14:01 jcamins mib_btkt1: look in MARC21slim2OPACDetail.xsl. 14:01 owen Line 384, to be specific 14:01 owen (for subject handling) 14:01 jcamins Oh, one other thing... you have to make sure that you have the XSLT display enabled. 14:03 jcamins The settings are OPACXSLTResultsDisplay and OPACXSLTDetailsDisplay. 14:04 mib_btkt1 thanks, away I go!!! 14:04 jcamins Good luck. 14:32 mib_btkt1 That worked out fine for me thanks! One more small thing, I just upgraded to 3.06 and noticed that the "Checked Out to" on the holdings table isn't there anymore, it used to show the current borrowers name 14:32 mib_btkt1 any ideas? 14:56 jcamins Does Koha have an entry screen for non-mongraph 008s? 14:56 jcamins monograph, rather 15:17 * chris_n read jcamins ' question as "non-monogrammed 008s" 15:18 * jcamins read his question as "monocled 008s" only second after writing it 15:36 briceSanc hello 15:37 sekjal morning, briceSanc 15:37 briceSanc When you import biblios with bulkmarcimport.pl : How to manage duplicates ? Because there is no ISBN on biblios 15:37 briceSanc hi sekjal ! 15:38 briceSanc sekjal, ready for the meeting at 3:00pm ? 15:38 sekjal briceSanc: I'm ready any time before then; I've got a call at 3pm. 15:40 briceSanc ok 15:40 briceSanc i will be availaible in 30min 15:40 sekjal briceSanc: sounds good 15:42 sekjal and in answer to your question, when you use bulkmarcimport.pl, it populates both the biblio and biblioitems tables (ISBN living in the biblioitems table) 15:42 sekjal there is a utility in the newer versions of bulkmarcimport to do ISBN matching, but I haven't tried it myself yet 15:50 briceSanc yes it's the -i option 16:02 schuster owen about? I have a jquery question 16:02 owen Yes 16:02 schuster Or for anyone that might be able to help... I want to hide the published on (8/10/10) in the opac with the notes... suggestions? I'm going to have to learn jquery I guess, but not today. 16:03 owen Do you have an example I can see? 16:03 schuster We are going to highlight a database a month using a widget but my boss doesn't want the published on to display. 16:03 wizzyrea i'm not sure what you're referring to 16:03 schuster Give me a sec. 16:06 sekjal briceSanc: brb 16:06 schuster ok yes catalog.pisd.edu 16:06 schuster I'd also like to move the World Book Encyclopedia to above the description if possible. 16:07 owen Can you be specific schuster? 16:07 schuster did you go to the catalog.pisd.edu? 16:08 schuster I want to hide/remove - (published on 08/08/2010) 16:08 wizzyrea $("#news").find("p:contains('published').hide() possibly 16:08 schuster There is a table there - as well the widget is in the last column, but World Book Encyclopedia is in a column all by itself and then the "news/description" is in the middle column. 16:09 wizzyrea don't forget the semicolon, like I did :P 16:09 owen Oh, I thought you were talking about a biblio record 16:09 wizzyrea so 16:09 wizzyrea $("irc://irc.katipo.co.nz/#news").find("p:contains('published').hide(); 16:09 wizzyrea erm 16:09 wizzyrea no 16:10 wizzyrea $("#news").find("p:contains('published').hide(); 16:11 wizzyrea (I haven't tested that) 16:12 owen $("#news").find("p:contains('published')").hide(); 16:12 wizzyrea I knew I was missing something there :P 16:14 owen schuster: I think that "published" text was displaying above the table because of invalid markup somewhere (inside your news item?) 16:22 wizzyrea Is there an "export these preferences as a template" deal anywhere? 16:22 wizzyrea (i know i know, i should just pull out the table. That works great if you actually have access to your DB.) 16:22 owen That's the only way I know of 16:23 wizzyrea ok. 16:23 schuster I would put that in the opacuserjs? or where? 16:23 wizzyrea yep, opacuserjs 16:25 schuster hmmm that removed my widget... but didn't touch the published. 16:28 schuster OK hmmm I see it adjusted the location based on the HTML coding I had put in to "format" the text in the box. 16:32 wizzyrea schuster: that worked on mine. 16:32 wizzyrea not sure what's up with yours. 16:34 schuster OK thanks that gives me something to play with. I'm adjusting my code and based on my formating of the code it moves where the "published" goes... 16:40 sekjal briceSanc: sorry for the delay; had to install some updates and reboot, lest I disappear in the middle of conversation 16:43 owen If I mark a suggestion as "accepted," shouldn't an email message end up in my message_queue table for that patron? 17:02 aarkerio hi! Inside installer (step 1) I am getting: Modules in red must be installed before you may continue PDF::API2::Simple 17:02 aarkerio but in fact PDF::API2::Simple is installed 17:04 aarkerio I installed : apt-get install libpdf-api2-perl 17:04 wasabi aarkerio: ignore it 17:04 wasabi ;) 17:04 aarkerio I can't installer only shows "recheck" button 17:06 aarkerio mmm, I installed using cpan and all is OK, thx! 17:06 wasabi yeah, i use cpan for that tricky module too 17:07 wasabi cpan gives me 'PDF::API2 2.015' 17:07 aarkerio ubuntu package is old 17:59 thd cfouts: are you here in person? 18:03 thd cfouts: nevermind. I just solved my momentary problem. High heat impairs my thinking. 18:41 ricardo Hi everyone! I'll have a quick dinner now and so, I may "arrive" at the IRC meeting a bit late. Feel free to start without me, though... I'll review the Log when I get back! :) 18:46 cait hi #koha 18:46 jwagner Hi cait 18:46 Colin Hi 18:47 cait very slow internet connection :( my father moved the access point, hope it will not kick me out :) 18:48 cait t 18:50 aarkerio hi! how can I create a CSS theme for OPAC? 18:52 wizzyrea Owen's blog is a good place to start 18:52 wizzyrea http://www.myacpl.org/koha/?m=200902 18:52 wizzyrea he goes over most of the customization options at one point or another in his posts 18:53 gmcharlt good afternoon/morning/etc 18:54 gmcharlt http://wiki.koha-community.org/wiki/General_IRC_Meeting,_11_August_2010 18:54 gmcharlt 1. Update on Roadmap to 3.2. 18:54 gmcharlt 2. Update on Roadmap to 3.0. 18:54 gmcharlt 3. Update on Roadmap to 3.4. 18:54 gmcharlt 4. Follow-up on actions from General IRC Meeting, 7 July 2010. 18:54 gmcharlt 5. Agree times of next meetings. 18:54 gmcharlt starting with intros 18:54 * gmcharlt = Galen Charlton, 3.2 RM 18:55 aarkerio thx! 18:55 * cait = Katrin Fischer, BSZ 18:55 * wizzyrea Liz Rea - NEKLS 18:55 Colin Colin Campbell - PTFS Europe 18:56 sekjal Ian Walls, ByWater Solutions 18:56 thd Thomas Dukleth, Agogme, New York much much too hot City 18:56 jwagner Jane Wagner, PTFS 18:57 slef MJ Ray software.coop member 18:57 VickiTeal Vicki Teal Lovely, South Central Library System, Madison, WI US 18:58 gmcharlt 3.2 - in terms of blockers, 4310 is the main one with no pending resolution 18:58 wizzyrea but 4310 18:58 thd slef: where are you at the moment? 18:58 wizzyrea bug 4310 18:58 munin 04Bug http://bugs.koha-community.org/bugzilla3/show_bug.cgi?id=4310 blocker, P5, ---, henridamien, NEW, No Migration for budgets from 3.0 to 3.2 18:59 slef damn hot in miami too :-) 18:59 * jcamins = Jared Camins-Esakov 19:00 thd slef: I sent you an email 19:00 slef I'm sat under a wifi mast in ocean beach park. Why? 19:00 slef not seen it :-( 19:00 thd slef: I missed your message about being in NYC 19:00 thd slef: maybe we could still meet if you are returning to the UK via NYC 19:01 slef nope. Maybe next time 19:01 thd sorry 19:01 gmcharlt other blockers have resolutions to apply or (like bug 5099) can be downgraded 19:01 munin 04Bug http://bugs.koha-community.org/bugzilla3/show_bug.cgi?id=5099 blocker, P5, ---, gmcharlt, NEW, Avanced Search page unavailable when OpacGroupResults is used 19:01 slef no worries 19:01 gmcharlt bug 3536 has a patch that sekjal has been testing 19:02 munin 04Bug http://bugs.koha-community.org/bugzilla3/show_bug.cgi?id=3536 blocker, PATCH-Sent, ---, chris, ASSIGNED, Checked In item requiring transfer does not consistently trigger transfer prompt 19:02 wizzyrea *cheer* 19:03 sekjal the patch brings us closer to solving the bug, but I'm still finding a double-transfer issue when the new system preference is set a certain way 19:03 sekjal my comment on the bug report has more details 19:03 gmcharlt so RC1 by Monday; later than I hoped in July, but the acq bug will be worked around 19:04 slef I think I'm back on koha end of next week so I'll try to test and death rc1 19:04 gmcharlt paul_p (if around) - any update on 3.0? 19:04 thd gmcharlt: What method would be used to work around a migration problem? 19:05 slef debug not death. Predictive text fail 19:05 thd :) 19:05 gmcharlt thd: retaining (and renaming) the previous tables so that the original data is around for manual cleanup if need be 19:06 CGI516 Could anyone help me with creating new z39.50 servers? 19:06 thd slef: what IRC client has predictive text? 19:06 slef what are the bug numbers? Smartphones are good but I can't easily browse and type 19:06 thd CGI516: after the meeting someone maybe even me will be happy to help. 19:07 gmcharlt ok ... moving on to 3.4 19:07 slef phone not client 19:07 gmcharlt slef: 4310 19:07 gmcharlt chris: about? 19:07 CGI516 Sorry...didn't know there was a meeting going on. Thanks 19:07 wizzyrea he left his apologies on the wiki 19:07 briceSanc is there a special room for General IRC Meeting ? 19:07 slef gmcharlt I mean total nos blockers criticals and so on 19:07 gmcharlt briceSanc: no, just regular #koha 19:08 briceSanc k 19:08 thd briceSanc: you are in the meeting 19:08 thd briceSanc: welcome 19:09 briceSanc welcome all, i'm Brice Sanchez (SYS-TECH company, Qu�bec, Canada). I'm on KOHA since 1 month and we work in order to install KOHA in 20 school before July 2011 19:10 gmcharlt slef: 3.2 crit = 12, maj = 18 19:10 briceSanc and i'm developper 19:10 slef cool ta 19:11 gmcharlt hi briceSanc , and welcome 19:12 aarkerio I am from Mexico! Cancer Institute: http://docencia.incan.edu.mx:8888/ 19:12 gmcharlt aarkerio: welcome! 19:12 gmcharlt contining on to license vote 19:13 thd Unfortunately, I have been absent for a few weeks and not attending to the license vote schedule. 19:14 thd I actually managed to break my computer. 19:14 gmcharlt ok - I think we'll need to reset the vote schedule, then 19:14 aarkerio I vote GPLv3 19:14 thd slef has also been more recently absent, although, with non-broken hardware I assume. 19:15 schuster David Schuster - Plano ISD(school district 67 schools on Koha) 19:16 thd I am still migrating my previous computing environment to a new computer with gparted constantly dying on me. 19:16 gmcharlt thd: ok, I'll send an email about the vote schedule at some point 19:17 ricardo back 19:17 slef oops network broke for a mo there. Reading log 19:17 ricardo ricardo = Ricardo Dias Marques, author of installation guide of Koha in openSUSE and contributor/approver to Portuguese translation, Portugal 19:17 thd My data was never a problem. I simply could not display it in a room less than 110 degrees F 19:18 VickiTeal Please be sure to send to koha general list. Thanks. 19:18 gmcharlt VickiTeal: of course 19:19 VickiTeal Thanks. I'm not on developer's list. ;-) 19:19 slef is the vote schedule on wiki somewhere? 19:19 gmcharlt I think this is shaping to be a quick meeting, which does balance out the 2 hour meeting regarding the licensing 19:19 thd VickiTeal: we agreed at the meeting about a relicensing vote that discussion was to take place on the general list. 19:19 gmcharlt slef: not as far as I know, but that would be the home once it's finalized 19:20 VickiTeal OK! 19:20 slef ok. I looked and thought it was just me failing with that wiki again 19:20 * chris_n = Chris Nighswonger, FBC 19:21 chris_n sorry for being late 19:21 gmcharlt chris_n: I think you showed up just in time for setting the next meeting time 19:21 gmcharlt :) 19:21 thd there was a call to summarise the many votes about the relicensing vote held during the relicensing meeting 19:21 chris_n lol 19:22 gmcharlt the first Wednesday in September is the 1st 19:22 chris_n the 1st is good by me 19:22 gmcharlt ok - 19:00 UTC+0 on the 1 September 2010? 19:22 slef 19:22 ricardo gmcharlt: Fine by me 19:22 thd +1 19:22 chris_n +1 19:23 slef ok afaik 19:23 Colin ok 19:23 slef +1 19:23 VickiTeal +1 19:23 hdl looks like I am too late. 19:23 jcamins +1 19:23 slef there are really odd-looking birds here 19:24 gmcharlt slef: the flamingoes? 19:24 gmcharlt hdl: hi 19:24 chris_n pink? 19:24 hdl hi 19:24 thd hdl: you did not miss much but an issue cam up about migrating acquisitions 19:24 gmcharlt hdl: still time for a 3.0 update 19:24 slef scrawny little brown ones 19:24 thd s/cam/came/ 19:25 hdl I am packaging it. Will release it this week 19:25 gmcharlt hdl++ 19:25 ricardo hdl: Will release what, exactly? 19:25 hdl 3.0.7 19:26 ricardo hdl: Cool! :) 19:26 slef I'll try to post one to http://softwarecoop.posterous.com 19:26 hdl actually : it is already on git. 19:26 jwagner hdl, this is the latest stable version, correct? 19:26 hdl But I will write releasenotes. 19:26 hdl jwagner: yes 19:26 hdl should be at least. 19:27 hdl I am working on budgets migrations. too 19:28 ricardo Nice... Should I try to backport the small patch I contributed today for master branch regarding: 19:28 ricardo Bug 5116 19:28 munin 04Bug http://bugs.koha-community.org/bugzilla3/show_bug.cgi?id=5116 minor, P5, ---, ricmarques, NEW, Duplicate and missing entries in "apt-get-debian-lenny.sh" 19:28 ricardo ? 19:28 thd hdl: gmcharlt had suggested a workaround on migrating acquisitions to store old data in renamed tables. 19:29 thd gmcharlt is your suggestion for the absence of any acquisitions migration script or merely the imperfection of such a script. 19:29 gmcharlt the latter 19:29 gmcharlt but looking forward to hdl's work on the budget migration 19:29 briceSanc jwagner, I have received and read your mail, i just need time to answer 19:30 hdl ricardo: send it to me. 19:30 hdl I have little data to test aqorderbreakdown migration correctly, 19:31 hdl if any good soul is willing to send good test data, I will take it. 19:32 ricardo hdl: OK, I'll write a patch for 3.0.x and send it for the Koha 3.0.x branch to the "koha patches" mailing list and "Cc"ing you. Does that sound good? 19:33 hdl yes 19:33 ricardo hdl: Cool, thanks 19:33 ricardo gmcharlt: Not urgent but, when you have the time, could you give your feedback regarding: 19:33 ricardo http://lists.koha-community.org/pipermail/koha-devel/2010-August/034334.html 19:34 jwagner Is the meeting over? 19:34 ricardo jwagner: Oops, sorry... You're right. I'll shut up now :) 19:35 hdl will read logs. 19:35 jwagner No, I didn't mean that -- just wasn't sure 19:35 hdl back to vacation time 19:35 jwagner I think we were finished, just checking 19:36 thd CGI516: are you still here? 19:36 slef http://softwarecoop.posterous.com/strange-bird 19:37 ricardo jwagner: Yep, maybe we are finished... gmcharlt: Do you want to formally "close" the meeting, if that's the case? 19:37 slef probably too dark 19:37 gmcharlt yep, I think we're done 19:37 gmcharlt thanks, all 19:38 ricardo gmcharlt: Thank you 19:38 * thd goes back to memory leaks in gparted 19:38 ricardo thd: Memory leaks in Gparted? What version are you using? 19:38 slef ok see you next week. Or in irc.oftc.net #spi in 15 19:41 thd ricardo: I am using the latest version of gparted which is packaged with parted magic. 19:44 ricardo thd: OK, so I'll assume it's the current gparted version (0.6.2). I don't have experience of "memory leaks" but I think I'm at least "one version behind". Could your hard drive be "dying" and, if that's the case, could it be causing problems to gparted (just guessing)? 19:45 thd ricardo: no this is happening on many computers including one with a new hard drive 19:45 thd also, I have been testing hard drives and RAM vigorously 19:46 thd I have not lost any data when gparted has failed. 19:46 thd I had to resort to backup in the past when parted failed 3 years ago. 19:48 gmcharlt ricardo: clone over http is now working again 19:49 ricardo gmcharlt: Cool :) Many thanks. Did you also set it up as a cronjob, or would that be a bad idea? 19:49 gmcharlt update-server-info wasn't the problem - that gets run as a post-update hook 19:49 gmcharlt it was a change in the apache config that broke it; few enough users of clone-over-http that I don't thnk anybody had noticed 19:50 thd ricardo: I cannot be certain that some other part of parted magic than gparted is having memory leaks. However, memory leaks and other problems are obvious. 19:51 ricardo thd: You're booting Gparted from some kind of a Boot media, like a Boot CD, right? If you're not, try to do that. 19:51 thd ricardo: I would not think of using gparted from the disk on which it is operating. 19:52 ricardo thd: Yeah, I figured as much, but wanted to be sure :) 19:52 thd ricardo: I use a boot media and the OS is running entirely in RAM. 19:52 ricardo thd: right 19:54 thd Rebooting cures all problems when waiting more than enough time for any write to have finished does not. 19:55 ricardo thd: Right... Oh well, I guess I can't help you, sorry. Try to see if the bug is posted to the "Bugs" forum of "Parted Magic" - http://partedmagic.com/forum.html 19:55 thd ricardo: I am able to accomplish what I need to do but it is taking many days because I constantly have to restart the process. 19:56 ricardo thd: Is anything available in the "error console"? I forget where the error console lives... Alt+F9 or ALT+11, maybe? 19:56 thd ricardo: If I had the hardware to support some other type of volume management and trusted the integrity of data on such systems my problem would be simpler. 19:56 ricardo s/ALT+11/ALT+F11 19:57 owen I guess I didn't miss much meeting 19:57 thd owen: very little communicated during the meeting. 19:57 ricardo owen: Congratulations! You're right! You missed a pretty speedy meeting :) 19:58 * owen isn't sure whether that's good or bad 19:58 thd ricardo: I expect that everything would be in /var/log on the virtual file system. 19:59 ricardo thd: That makes sense, although I'm not sure of that 20:00 thd owen: I think that there has been somewhat less to report and discuss because of the time of year. 20:01 ricardo thd: *nod* 20:02 ebegin I remember that there was a section about the default authorized value on the wiki. I can not find it. Anybody remember where it is? 20:02 owen the default authorized value of what? 20:03 thd I will try to look for the problem next time it occurs. I am almost finished after several days work reorganising partitions. 20:03 ebegin of authorized value :) Those that are hardcoded 20:04 ricardo thd: OK. I'm sorry that you had to put up with that 20:04 ebegin Like LOST... 1 : Lost, 2: Long Overdue, 3: Lost and paid for, etc. 20:05 briceSanc During the IRC meeting, the relicensing discuss was for the Wiki or for the Koha software ? 20:05 owen briceSanc: For Koha 20:06 briceSanc ok and what are the main change of the licence ? 20:07 thd ricardo: I could use merely 2 or 3 partitions like most people but I want different mount options and other controls which only come from a much greater degree of partitioning. 20:08 ricardo thd: Sure, I meant that I'm sorry that you to put up with those problems of Parted Magic / gParted 20:08 thd ricardo: just life with very complex systems 20:08 thd :) 20:09 jwagner ebegin, I think the default authorized values are an option during installation -- is that what you're asking? 20:09 thd ebegin: you have referred to some value lists with no formal specification. 20:10 ricardo ebegin: I believe the default value of an authorised list is defined / chosen on each of the (Cataloging) frameworks that use it 20:10 ebegin jwagner, that's correct. But there was a list somewhere on the wiki (maybe it wasn't move on the new version) 20:11 thd ebegin: Item status values are not formally specified which makes it impossible to design a feature which exploits the values in a normalised manner. 20:11 ebegin I fell back on the sql data 20:11 ricardo ebegin: Check the "Default value" field of the "Advanced constraints" section of a Cataloging framework that you use, for a field that uses / should use some "authorised values" list 20:12 thd ebegin: Item status value meanings vary between libraries although there are some partial presumptions implied in the code. 20:13 thd ebegin: 0 and 1 have explicit meaning for item status. Values beyond that are John Conway's humorous data type errrm :) 20:15 thd ebegin: there may be some common practise in Koha MARC 21 libraries for item status values but it differs from common practise for Koha UNIMARC libraries. 20:16 ebegin Another example of an hardcoded value is -1 for Ordered in the NOT_LOAN authorised value. 20:16 ebegin Anyway, thanks guys. I found what I was looking for :D 20:17 briceSanc owen, is there a web place where i could be informed about the relicensing of Koha? 20:18 thd briceSanc: If you search for AGPL on the mailing list archives you should find the past discussion. 20:18 ricardo ebegin: Where did you find it, then? 20:18 ebegin in the sql data of the installer :D 20:19 thd briceSanc: Future discussion in relation to ballot design, voting etc. has been agreed to be held on the general mailing list. 20:21 thd briceSanc: Expect more discussion on the mailing list in about a week. My hardware capacity to participate had been interrupted recently. 20:21 briceSanc ok thanks for your answer 20:22 * thd returns to moving partitions 20:24 ricardo ebegin: OK, thanks for the info 20:32 richard hi 20:32 * chris wanders in 20:39 owen Hi chris 20:41 chris power all back i see 20:41 owen Dunno, I went home :) 20:41 chris :) 20:44 ricardo Hi chris! Long time no see :) 20:44 chris heya ricardo, hows things? 20:44 ricardo Hello richard 20:45 richard HI ALL 20:45 richard oops 20:45 richard darn caps lock 20:46 ricardo chris: Lots of work... Being kept busy at work with many things regarding Linux Server admin, besides Koha (so I can now only work with / study Koha sometimes) 20:47 chris ahh, i hear that 20:47 ricardo chris: Is "I hear that" an idiomatic expression for "I have the same problem" ? ;-) 20:48 chris yeah, can also mean 'you have my sympathy' 20:48 ricardo chris: Thanks! :) 20:50 ricardo chris: I was looking to "AuthoritiesMarc.pm" today... I believe there's a small bug there (and maybe - but just maybe - another one "hiding" that would not be so small). Let's see if I can make something out of this--- 20:50 chris cool 20:51 ricardo chris: And how's your life? 20:51 chris stupidly busy, but good apart from that ;) 20:51 ricardo chris: ahh, i hear that ;-) 20:51 * owen like busy if it's the right kind 20:52 * ricardo agrees with owen 20:55 ricardo Wasn't there some kind of message to the bot to have weather info... 20:55 ricardo !weather 20:55 wizzyrea @wunder lawrence, ks 20:55 ricardo !lisbon 20:55 munin wizzyrea: The current temperature in Channel 6 Downtown, Lawrence, Kansas is 39.5�C (4:02 PM CDT on August 11, 2010). Conditions: Clear. Humidity: 39%. Dew Point: 23.0�C. Pressure: 29.74 in 1007.0 hPa (Falling). Excessive heat warning in effect until 8 PM CDT Friday... 20:55 owen @wunder 45701 20:55 munin owen: The current temperature in Ohio University, Athens, Ohio is 23.9�C (4:55 PM EDT on August 11, 2010). Conditions: Clear. Humidity: 89%. Dew Point: 22.0�C. Pressure: 29.70 in 1005.6 hPa (Steady). 20:56 ricardo wizzyrea: Thanks! :) 20:56 wizzyrea :) 20:56 ricardo @wunder lisbon 20:56 munin ricardo: Error: No such location could be found. 20:56 ricardo @wunder lisbon, portugal 20:56 munin ricardo: The current temperature in Lisbon, Portugal is 27.0�C (9:30 PM WEST on August 11, 2010). Conditions: Clear. Humidity: 21%. Dew Point: 3.0�C. Pressure: 30.06 in 1018 hPa (Steady). 20:56 owen wizzyrea: C'mon over, it's cooler here today. 20:56 ricardo OK... Kansas wins (ouch!) 20:56 ebegin @wunder montreal, canada 20:56 munin ebegin: The current temperature in Montreal, Quebec is 26.0�C (4:00 PM EDT on August 11, 2010). Conditions: Scattered Clouds. Humidity: 44%. Dew Point: 13.0�C. Pressure: 29.92 in 1013 hPa (Falling). 20:56 ricardo Althoug it's already 10 PM here in Lisbon 20:56 wizzyrea oh seriously, yea, I'm coming to your house, owen 20:56 chris @wunder wellington,nz 20:57 munin chris: The current temperature in Wellington, New Zealand is 10.0�C (8:00 AM NZST on August 12, 2010). Conditions: Scattered Clouds. Humidity: 82%. Dew Point: 7.0�C. Pressure: 30.24 in 1024 hPa (Steady). 20:57 ricardo chris: Chilly.... 20:57 chris its winter :) 20:57 ricardo I think we "spooked" wasabi 20:57 richard it was 4 degrees yesterday mornign 20:57 ebegin 10 C? That is not winter... :) winter is - 20 overhere :) 20:57 ricardo richard: Where? 20:58 richard in wellington nz. i'm about 30 minutes walk from chris 20:58 ricardo richard: Ah... That must help to keep you in good shape ;-) 21:00 richard um, i've only visited him once at his work. we work together on some things but often compete 21:02 chris coopetition as paul would say 21:02 ricardo "richard" vs "chris": "FIGHT!"... this must be said with the "voice-off" from "Mortal Kombat" ;-) 21:02 chris heh 21:03 richard coopetition is a good description 21:08 chris im glad bernardo is fixing all the typos in the templates, thats neat 21:10 ricardo chris: *nod* 21:48 ricardo Hi darling! I always wished to say that... ;-) 21:51 darling hehe, I got in trouble at work for using my real name as my irc nick so changed it to that 21:52 ricardo darling: ...and then you chose another nick that can get you in all other sorts of trouble. Nice! ;-) 21:55 ricardo darling: I'm just joking, of course :) 21:56 chris he's on the phone :) 21:56 * chris works about 10 metres away from darling 21:58 moodaepo @wunder 56001 21:58 ricardo chris: And "darling" 's nick never got you in trouble with your wife? "Hey 'darling', wait a minute... I have my wife on the phone!" ;-) 21:58 munin moodaepo: The current temperature in MSU Physics Dept, Mankato, Minnesota is 32.1�C (5:05 PM CDT on August 11, 2010). Conditions: Clear. Humidity: 73%. Dew Point: 27.0�C. Pressure: 28.86 in 977.2 hPa (Rising). 22:08 chris ricardo: not yet :) 22:08 chris heya cait 22:08 cait hi chris :) 22:08 cait reading logs 22:11 chris was a pretty quiet meeting (i wasnt there but read the logs too) 22:13 cait was sitting in the garden with my father 22:14 cait so got a bit distracted :) 22:14 jcamins_a cait: I don't blame you. A garden sounds wonderful. 22:14 jcamins_a Especially if it's not horribly humid. 22:15 cait it is quite small, because the house is in the old part of the city, but its very green :) 22:15 cait and we had wine too 22:16 * jcamins_a is very jealous. There's very little green where he lives in New York. 22:21 cait Konstanz has a great countryside and the lake of course, but I have no garden or balcony, so I enjoy the garden here when visiting my family 22:22 jcamins_a A countryside sounds nice too. 22:25 cait :) 22:25 cait I think living in NY has its own advantages 22:25 jcamins_a Yes, but it helps if you like cities. ;) 22:27 cait http://www.konstanz-tourismus.de/ tourism site of konstanz - pictures :) 22:32 cait ok, time to sleep :) bye all 22:32 chris night cait 22:32 jcamins_a Good night. 22:33 cait ah, before I forget: chris++ for your help on my patch(es) :) 22:34 chris np 22:35 cait learning a lot by fixing those bugs, hope it will help me with my bigger projects too :) 22:43 ricardo Running off as well... Take care, everyone! :) 23:44 * owen-away votes Konstanz for the next Koha conference 23:45 chris :) 23:45 chris it probably is europes turn again 23:47 owen-away Or maybe Bodo, Norway? 23:52 chris that would be sweet