Time Nick Message 03:22 Amit heya chris, brendan 03:22 brendan heya amit 04:26 wasabi i have a mysql dupe-keys Q... 04:26 wasabi im loading in some new fwrk rows into a koha 04:27 wasabi but im getting this error sometimes.. 04:27 wasabi DBD::mysql::st execute failed: Duplicate entry 'POST-830-a' for key 1 at 04:28 wasabi how do i delete these "entries" before my load? 04:28 robin Delete just the ones that are duplicates? 04:29 * wasabi googles... 04:29 wasabi 'DROP {INDEX|KEY} index_name' 04:29 robin If you can get the ones you're going to import into another table, then you can use SQL to delete. 04:30 wasabi currently just a foo.sql file.. 04:32 robin Hmm. I've done something like 'delete from table where key in (select key from table2)' as preperation for a merge with overwrite before. 04:32 wasabi > alter table marc_subfield_structure drop key 'POST-998-c'; 04:32 robin but in that case I was able to put the date into a holding table fairly easily. 04:32 wasabi right syntax to use near ''POST-998-c'' at line 1? 04:33 wasabi hmm, sql looks OK to me :/ 04:33 robin well, won't that mean that you just get the duplicates in the table, and can't put the key back? 04:33 wasabi just testing removing 1 key, so far... 04:34 robin OK 04:34 wasabi thanks for the help fyi ;) 04:34 robin no problem, I'm not so sure it'll be useful, but hopefully... 04:34 wasabi Q, its a KEY im dropping right? 04:34 wasabi http://dev.mysql.com/doc/refman/5.1/en/alter-table.html 04:35 robin hmm. maybe it should be '...drop key 1'? 04:35 robin I don't really get what mysql is saying though, I usually live in postgresql-land 04:36 smustafa Good morning all 04:36 smustafa its monring my time :) 04:36 wasabi ta, np 04:37 smustafa Does anyone else have this problem? or knows away to fix it....I am using Koha 3.00.00 04:38 robin The solution to using koha 3.00.00 is to upgrade :) 04:41 wasabi robin++ 04:41 smustafa am i getting text 04:41 smustafa checking checking 04:41 smustafa ok, Robin, does 3.01 fix this issue? 04:41 smustafa Can someone confirm if they are infact able to search by LC Call Number? 04:41 wasabi 3.0.6 is current-stable... 04:41 smustafa If it is, I can upgrade and just redo my client customizations ... 04:42 smustafa does origin/master have the 3.0.6 changes incorporated in it? 04:42 robin smustafa: you hadn't actually said (that I saw) what your problem was. 04:43 robin I don't have a 3.06 install handy to test anything on though, only 3.2 04:43 wasabi robin: twas LC searching 04:43 smustafa Does the 3.2 of koha works? 04:44 robin Assuming that by 'origin' you mean the git.koha-community.org repository, origin/master is the almost-released 3.2 04:44 wasabi works OK for me :) 04:44 smustafa ok thats great...then I shall do a GIT checkout 04:44 smustafa ok so this resolves one issue, 04:44 robin Yeah, we're using it in somewhat-production with no major issues. 04:44 smustafa the other issue. My difrector wants me to implement [Searching by DLC [document of Library of congress} in Z3950 04:44 smustafa Is that easy to do/possible? 04:48 smustafa olla :) 04:48 smustafa everyone left..hehe 04:48 wasabi koha does that already 04:49 smustafa where Wasabi? I don't see it in the Z39.50 Search window -When creating a new MARC record 04:50 wasabi /cgi-bin/koha/cataloguing/z3950_search.pl?frameworkcode= 04:50 wasabi '# LC Call Number: ' 04:51 smustafa oh no dear, I know this. The library director is requesting a new field called {DLC} 04:51 smustafa Which stands for Document of Library of Congress 04:51 smustafa I have no idea what that is...but she wants it -O_O- 04:52 wasabi http://imagepaste.nullnetwork.net/viewimage.php?id=1200 04:52 smustafa Thanks for the screen shot, but I don't think it is the same thing dear. 04:53 wasabi well, i have no idea either 04:53 smustafa its ok :) thank you for your help 04:53 wasabi but thats how you "search by LC Call Number?" 04:55 smustafa yes thank you :) 04:55 smustafa but for me because koha 3.00.00 it does not work for LC Call Number :) 04:55 smustafa its ok, thats a bug. THe issue is with this new requirement of DLC 04:55 smustafa I will have to search on a way to implement it 05:05 cait hi #koha 05:24 robin hi 05:31 cait hi robin 05:31 cait you are fixing a lot of acq bugs - that's great :) 05:34 robin cait: yeah, one of our clients has been encountering a few of them, and often when I test out the fix for one of those, I find another one at the same time :) 05:35 * cait knows that feeling... 05:36 cait can you perhaps take a look at bug 4438 05:36 cait ? 05:36 munin 04Bug http://bugs.koha-community.org/bugzilla3/show_bug.cgi?id=4438 major, P5, ---, henridamien, ASSIGNED, incorrect "Budget total exceeds period allocation" error when editing fund 05:37 robin hmm, I can't say I've noticed that in 3.2, although I haven't looked. 05:38 robin Will have a go with it tomorrow, see if I can reproduce it. It shouldn't be too hard to fix. 05:39 cait I think it occurs when you add a child fund to a fund 05:39 cait 2 levels of funds 05:39 cait I can retest it later and try it 05:39 robin ah right, I haven't tried that. 05:40 cait turning off the javascript does work, but if you want to change the owner of the fund you need the javascript - so there is no way to do that 05:40 cait if you want to delete the owner 05:40 robin Yeah. If it's reasonably easy, I'll be able to find time next week to deal with it, I'm sure. 05:41 cait cool :) 05:41 cait ok, time to walk to work and it's raining again :( 05:42 cait @wunder Konstanz 05:42 munin cait: The current temperature in Taegerwilen, Taegerwilen, Germany is 15.3�C (7:47 AM CEST on August 05, 2010). Conditions: Mostly Cloudy. Humidity: 88%. Dew Point: 13.0�C. Pressure: 29.73 in 1006.7 hPa (Steady). 05:42 robin It's not raing here at least, it's been kinda on-aga-off-again the past few days. 05:42 robin Also, I'm losing the ability to type I think. 05:43 cait a lot of rain here and colder than it should be this time of the year 05:43 cait bbl 06:24 kf morning #koha 06:25 Amit heya kf 06:28 kf hi Amit 07:34 smustafa coolies, I just discovered Chatzilla :) 11:29 smustafa hello 11:29 smustafa I am getting this error 11:29 smustafa Modification of non-creatable array value attempted, subscript -4 at /var/www/koha-2010-08-04/cataloguing/z3950_search.pl line 197. 11:30 smustafa Using the latest head koha + upgraded my database successfully 11:30 smustafa anyone familar with this? 11:31 smustafa I tried to search by LC Call Number in Koha 3.01 version (latest from Head) 11:33 kf smustafa: sorry, never seen that, but we don't use LC Call numbers 11:33 kf hi jwagner 11:33 kf was very silent in here today 11:34 smustafa I was told by wasabi that the LC Call Number search by Z3950 works in this version 11:34 smustafa thats why I am trying to upgrade...sighs.. 11:35 chilts I imagine that the $k in that case is zero, hence the index is then -1, which is a 'non-creatable array value) 11:35 chilts could you print out what $k is and see if it's zero 11:35 chilts I have no idea other than a hunch 11:35 chilts then again, there is the check on $k beforehand 11:35 chilts dunno, sorry 11:35 wasabi smustafa: 3.0.6 is latest stable koha , not 3.0.1 11:36 smustafa sorry I meant 3.1 11:36 smustafa I got the master from GIT 11:36 smustafa that should be updated to include all the 3.0.6 branch 11:36 smustafa correct? 11:36 wasabi no :) 11:37 jwagner hi kf 11:37 smustafa no?? 11:37 wasabi 'master' means the latest unstable version, which is currently 3.2.xxx 11:37 wasabi http://git.koha-community.org/cgi-bin/gitweb.cgi?p=koha.git;a=summary 11:38 wasabi currently 'v3.02.00-beta' 11:38 wasabi stable is currently 'v3.00.06' 11:38 smustafa ok wasabi, just a question... 11:39 wasabi do your testing on a stable koha 11:39 smustafa If i do remote branch based on --V3.00.06 11:39 smustafa What happens in the future to my code, [if this branch is merged into the 3.2 beta] 11:39 smustafa I have no clue.. 11:39 kf but if it's not working in 3.1 we should have a bug report 11:39 wasabi the unstable branch is sometimes broken, 11:40 smustafa It is not working in 3.1....I tried many different LC Call numbers 11:40 smustafa sighs.. 11:40 kf 3.1 is not far from release, if there is a problem with z39.50 searches you should file a bug report 11:41 smustafa how should I proceed now 11:42 smustafa Does the 3.0.6 have this fix? 11:43 wasabi i tic... 11:43 kf sorry, I have no 3.0.x installations, we are running 3.01.061 in production 11:43 smustafa KF dear, on your 3.1.06 11:44 smustafa Does searching by LC Call Number in Z3950 return you any results 11:44 smustafa If you search the call number TH7414 .S65 1997 11:44 smustafa or any variation of this number. 11:44 kf can you give me an example to search for? 11:44 kf ah 11:44 kf mom 11:44 kf one moment 11:44 smustafa It should in reality return the book "Solar Energy houses" 11:45 smustafa from Library of Congress Online Catalogue 11:45 kf no results 11:45 smustafa So this is in fact a bug?? 11:45 kf I think it can be a problem of loc too 11:45 smustafa I dont know what that means? 11:46 wasabi fails for me too 11:46 wasabi lc-callnumber '77026825' to LOC fails... 11:47 smustafa I don't know what you are doing wasabi. 11:47 wasabi should return 'The complete guide to Middle-earth :' ? 11:48 smustafa so should I make a bug?? 11:48 smustafa or how do I proceed... 11:48 smustafa kindly advise 11:48 kf I would file one 11:48 wasabi im testing a z39 search for lc-callnumber '77026825' to LIBRARY OF CONGRESS [z3950.loc.gov] 11:48 kf describe what you are doing, give examples and perhaps someone else can help 11:48 smustafa ok 11:50 wasabi fails on koha-3.2 too, so its a bug ;) 11:50 smustafa ok I shall do a bug report 11:50 smustafa on Z3950 service/HEAD 11:50 wasabi yes please, yes 11:51 smustafa what does the [raw any] field in Z39.50 do??? 11:53 wasabi pass, sorry 11:53 smustafa ok 11:56 smustafa I have created the bug, 11:56 smustafa hopefully someone checks 12:46 kf hi owen 12:47 owen Hi 12:50 nengard sick just in time for big bbq at my house this weekend .... hmmm :( 12:50 kf oh :( hope you get better soon 12:50 nengard owen you've been on a roll!! 12:50 nengard owen++ 12:50 nengard thanks kf - me too! 12:51 owen Thanks nengard, I'm feeling driven these days 12:51 owen Trying to set a bug-fixing example 12:51 nengard I'm feeling driven - but also incapable - I keep reading through bugs and i can't find any i think i can resolbe :( 12:51 nengard or resolve 12:52 owen "resolbe" is right if you're sick with a head cold ;) 12:52 kf owen: you make a great example 12:53 nengard owen looksl ike my fingers are having sympathy pains for my head :) 12:54 nengard owen i can do bug 5035 for new installs only of course 12:54 munin 04Bug http://bugs.koha-community.org/bugzilla3/show_bug.cgi?id=5035 normal, P5, ---, oleonard, NEW, opaccolorstylesheet preference should be empty by default 12:55 nengard but i think i'd have to leave the file there ... 12:55 nengard color.css 13:07 owen Thanks nengard 13:13 kf nengard++ 13:13 kf owen++ 13:14 nengard no prob 13:17 kf I was working on bug 5090 yesterday- but have no working solution yet :( 13:17 munin 04Bug http://bugs.koha-community.org/bugzilla3/show_bug.cgi?id=5090 critical, P5, ---, henridamien, NEW, New order from empty record does not save publication year and ISBN 13:18 owen nengard: I looked at Bug 5019 the other day and almost concluded we should remove the link altogether 13:18 munin 04Bug http://bugs.koha-community.org/bugzilla3/show_bug.cgi?id=5019 normal, P5, ---, nengard, ASSIGNED, funds link doesn't go to list 13:18 nengard I'm changing it 13:19 owen I couldn't figure out where it should point 13:19 nengard to say Budgets & Funds 13:19 nengard and point to the budgets page 13:19 nengard cause that's how you get to the funds 13:19 nengard kf those acq bugs are scary - way out of my league programming wise 13:20 kf nengard: way out of my league too :( 13:21 kf chris and jwagner helped me to fix the first part, but I still have problems to get it working 13:21 kf spend hours on it yesterday 13:21 nengard the way i see if - if those who can fix the small bugs that leaves the big bugs for the people with more skills 13:22 nengard what i meant to say was that the people with mad skills don't have to waste their time on the small stuff :) 13:22 kf yeah, but trying on bigger bugs make you learn :) 13:23 * wasabi realises he's been giving susan bad koha-version info 13:24 wasabi i always get the koha-db and git-tag versions mixed up 13:24 nengard question for owen: 13:25 nengard how does a page know where to look for a include (usually a menu) 13:26 owen All includes are looked for in the same place, the includes directory 13:26 nengard got it 13:34 jcamins Good morning, #koha 13:35 nengard so i guess i was wrong - there are bugs i can fix :) 13:53 JeremyLC If I submit a bugfix (well, commit via git?) how do I know if it is accepted? 13:53 nengard kf is bug 4977 still an issue for you? 13:53 munin 04Bug http://bugs.koha-community.org/bugzilla3/show_bug.cgi?id=4977 normal, P5, ---, henridamien, NEW, Acq: link to Z39.50 search missing from no results page 13:53 nengard JeremyLC when Galen commits it he updates the bug report to say it was pushed 13:54 nengard you can also subscribe to the commits list 13:54 nengard koha-commits@lists.koha-community.org 13:55 JeremyLC I'm not sure there's a bug report for it. It's a minor detail in the way Auth_with_ldap works (don't look me up if using auth_by_bind and not using updating or replication) 13:56 owen nengard: 4977 is still valid 13:57 nengard JeremyLC you can put a minor bug report in and then label your patch with the bug number 13:57 JeremyLC would I just commit my file via git? 13:58 nengard owen do you see what kf shows in her screenshot? or do you see what I see? 13:58 JeremyLC or, is there a different process? 13:58 nengard The process is on this page: http://wiki.koha-community.org/wiki/Version_Control_Using_Git 13:58 nengard but yes, I submit via my git repo 13:58 JeremyLC thanks 13:59 nengard I guess you want this link in particular: http://wiki.koha-community.org/wiki/Version_Control_Using_Git#Pushing_changes_to_a_public_repository 13:59 kf was afk, see my name - reading back now :) 14:00 kf nengard: let me check 14:00 owen I see exactly what kf sees nengard 14:00 nengard hehe ... okay off to try again 14:02 nengard owen kf - i cannot get to that page - here are my steps: 14:02 nengard 1. create new basket 14:02 nengard 2. click order from external source 14:02 nengard 3. do a search for a fake title 14:02 nengard 4. see the page i attached to the bug report 14:02 owen Number 2 is the wrong step 14:02 nengard what am i doing differently? 14:02 nengard oh! 14:02 owen 2. Type a search term in "from an existing record" form and click search 14:03 nengard i see!!! 14:03 nengard sorry 14:03 nengard will go fix it now :) 14:03 kf yay :) 14:11 nengard kf fixed bug 4977 14:11 munin 04Bug http://bugs.koha-community.org/bugzilla3/show_bug.cgi?id=4977 normal, PATCH-Sent, ---, nengard, ASSIGNED, Acq: link to Z39.50 search missing from no results page 14:12 kf thx :) 14:17 nengard owen have you ever looked at bug 4498 ? 14:17 munin 04Bug http://bugs.koha-community.org/bugzilla3/show_bug.cgi?id=4498 normal, P5, ---, chris, NEW, Acq always shows '1 suggestions waiting' 14:18 nengard I looked at that template and I'm not sure what it thinks it's doing 14:19 kf yeah, I wanted to look at that too 14:19 kf perhaps we can just kill the link? 14:19 owen I take collum's comment on 2010-05-18 as accurate 14:19 kf there is always a link to suggestions, there are 2 links now 14:19 hdl kf: I am working on that. 14:20 owen Whatever happened to the "pending suggestions" box that used to be in the central area of acqui-home.pl? 14:20 kf hdl: ok :) 14:20 owen That was more useful 14:20 kf owen: I don't remember the box :( 14:21 owen We have it in our 3.0.something in-production installation of Koha 14:22 owen hdl: You're working on Bug 4498? If so, can you assign it to yourself? 14:22 hdl owen: just done it 14:22 nengard owen i don't remember ever seeing that box either ... 14:22 hdl I happen to see that in my tests of acquisitions. 14:22 hdl And fixed it today 14:23 owen http://www.screencast.com/t/MTZkNWFkZjI 14:24 nengard owen - ohhhhh! I remember that now :) 14:25 owen Placing the notice there eliminates collum's concern about calling CountSuggestion on every page with the sidebar menu 14:26 nengard agree 14:27 kf aah 14:27 kf now I remember 14:27 kf :) 14:27 hdl Should we change the menu to remove Suggestions ? 14:28 nengard no 14:28 nengard i think the link to manage suggestions should be there 14:28 nengard but the # of waiting suggestions should be removed from the menu 14:28 nengard and put on the main acq page 14:29 JeremyLC Bug http://bugs.koha-community.org/bugzilla3/show_bug.cgi?id=5094 patch sent :) 14:29 munin 04Bug 5094: minor, P5, ---, gmcharlt, NEW, auth_by_bind authentication can fail even if given a correct password and userid 14:29 nengard awesome! 14:29 JeremyLC very minor issue 14:30 nengard still awesome! :) 14:30 nengard someone has to fix the minor issues 14:31 JeremyLC I guess I just wait to find out if it is accepted now 14:32 kf ok, have to leave - save me some small bugs ;) 14:32 kf @wunder Konstanz 14:32 munin kf: The current temperature in Taegerwilen, Taegerwilen, Germany is 14.9�C (4:38 PM CEST on August 05, 2010). Conditions: Rain. Humidity: 92%. Dew Point: 14.0�C. Pressure: 29.81 in 1009.4 hPa (Steady). 14:32 kf brr 14:33 JeremyLC @wunder 76019 14:33 munin JeremyLC: The current temperature in Shady Valley West, Arlington, Texas is 32.2�C (9:38 AM CDT on August 05, 2010). Conditions: Clear. Humidity: 65%. Dew Point: 25.0�C. Pressure: 29.86 in 1011.1 hPa (Steady). Heat advisory in effect until 7 PM CDT Friday... 14:33 kf the rain started early in the morning... and never stopped since 14:33 JeremyLC trade? 14:33 kf and I have to walk home now 14:33 kf after a day like this 32 sounds not so bad 14:33 kf bye all :) 14:34 druthb @wunder 20852 14:34 munin druthb: The current temperature in Flower Valley, Rockville, Maryland is 29.4�C (10:33 AM EDT on August 05, 2010). Conditions: Clear. Humidity: 69%. Dew Point: 23.0�C. Pressure: 29.52 in 999.5 hPa (Steady). Heat advisory in effect until 8 PM EDT this evening... 14:38 nengard JeremyLC I'm not seeing your patch coming through the patches mailing list 14:38 nengard did you send it to the list? 14:38 nengard http://wiki.koha-community.org/wiki/Version_Control_Using_Git#Share_with_the_rest_of_the_world 14:39 nengard @wunder 19030 14:39 munin nengard: The current temperature in Mercer County, Ewing, New Jersey is 31.8�C (10:44 AM EDT on August 05, 2010). Conditions: Clear. Humidity: 48%. Dew Point: 19.0�C. Pressure: 29.76 in 1007.7 hPa (Rising). Heat advisory in effect from 11 am this morning to 10 PM EDT this evening... 14:39 nengard hmmmm - where is the rain we were promised? 14:54 rhcl_away where is the bagles and coffee I was promised? 14:54 rhcl_away is are whatever 15:04 nengard who promised that?? :) 15:06 chris_n hmm.... local air port reports a heat index of 56 C... <boggle> 15:15 jcamins ::boggle:: 15:16 jcamins Am I missing something obvious? Is there any way to set an indicator in a framework? 15:17 jcamins The boggling, by the way, was about the fact that chris_n made it to work in that heat. 15:19 nengard jcamins i don't think there is a way to set an indicator inthe framework 15:20 jcamins nengard: Ouch. Thanks. At least it's not me being stupid. 15:20 nengard i could be wrong 15:20 * chris_n heads off to fry eggs on the sidewalk 15:20 nengard LOL 15:21 nengard jcamins - off to poke and prod 15:22 nengard yeah - i don't see indicators anywhere 15:22 reva chris_n: Hello from Antigua and Barbuda. I have a very basic question about 092 tag. It is not showing up in the default framework when entering or editing a record; only the 082 tag. How do I have it show up when entering/editing bib records? Thanks for any hlep. 15:23 nengard reva you need to add the 092 to the framework - read this page of the manual for instructions for that: http://koha-community.org/documentation/3-2-manual/?ch=x3725#AEN3728 15:24 reva Thanks nengard: I will do that and get back here to tell you if it worked for me. 15:26 jcamins nengard: Looking at kohastructure.sql, it seems that there is nowhere to store indicators. 15:26 nengard that's possible 15:26 * jwagner sneaks back in between meetings 15:26 jwagner owen, online? 15:26 jcamins marc_tag_structure, right? 15:26 owen jwagner: Yes 15:27 jwagner I know I've done this recently, but darned if I can find where & how. One of my sides wants the background color of the opacheader to match the blue of the masthead. I've copied the background color & also the background image from opac-main-search, but it's showing up as a darker blue than the masthead 15:28 jwagner Do you know offhand what I need to adjust? I tried lightening the background color but couldn't dial it in. 15:29 owen The masthead uses a repeating background image, a gradient 15:30 owen You wouldn't be able to accurately get them to match unless you reset the default background of opac-main-search 15:30 owen http://rfpl.kohalibrary.com/ 15:30 jwagner I copied background-image : url( ../../images/menu-background.gif); background-repeat : repeat-x; background-color : #739ACF; from opac-main-search 15:32 jwagner So maybe drop the background image from both & just use the same background color? 15:32 owen That's what I did in the rfpl example. 15:33 jwagner OK, let me try that. THanks. (Darn it, I _KNOW_ I did this recently but I can't remember where....) 15:34 jwagner THat did it. Thanks much! 15:38 cfouts good day, all. 15:38 owen Hi cfouts, what's up? 15:39 cfouts is there a use case for user-added sysprefs? i.e. ones that don't have any tie-in to the perl code? 15:41 reva nengard: the default framework does not have an edit link in the Edit column. (It only has the MARC structure link.) I have looked at the other frameworks that comes with the demo.When I look at the "Books"c. framework and click on show only used tags and subfields it shows that 092 is a tag I can use when I choose "Books" framework when cataloging. But it does not show when I go into entering a new record or editing one. 15:41 owen reva: You want the MARC structure link 15:42 * jwagner heads off to another meeting now :-( 15:44 reva Owen: I tried clicking the MARC structure link and then checked the box to show currently configured for use with that framework (for example, Books). Ity is showing 092 field is used, but why is it not showing when editing/entering a record? 15:45 owen reva: You have further to go 15:45 cait back 15:45 cait hi again all :) 15:45 reva owen: can you please lead the way? 15:45 owen reva: Click the "subfields" link for 092 15:46 owen Then click the "edit subfields" button 15:46 owen Choose which subfield you want to display in the editor and click the corresponding tab 15:46 owen Click the "display more constraints" link 15:47 owen Change the "hidden" value from "-6" to 0 15:47 owen To see a list of all the possible values for "hidden," click the [?] link in the upper right corner of that page 15:52 owen chris_n: You still out on the sidewalk? 15:54 owen How's this for an "edit" link icon for the MARC editor: http://www.screencast.com/t/NTk3NmQ3Y2 15:54 owen ...to replace the "..." 15:56 jcamins owen: awesome! 15:56 jcamins owen++ 15:56 jcamins That will save so much time with training my next batch of interns. 16:10 chris_n owen: very, very cool 16:25 hdl cfouts: imho, you will always have some lines of code to link to system preference 16:29 owen More editor icons. Tag repeat/tag delete, choice one: http://www.screencast.com/t/MDViYTY5 16:29 owen Tag repeat/tag delete, choice 2: http://www.screencast.com/t/NmRhZDMyY 16:31 cfouts hdl: that's my reckoning, too. 16:32 cait hm choice one :) 16:35 hdl cfouts: But some users like to have the power to add some new preferences. 16:40 jcamins owen: I can't tell which is which, but I like the one withthe narrower images. 16:41 jcamins -2, I think. 16:47 owen I wanted to make the tag repeat/delete icons different than the ones for the subfields. 16:47 owen I'm a little concerned things are looking cluttered 16:48 cfouts hdl: then they shake their fists at the sky celebrating their impotent addition of a syspref that doesn't have the power to change anything? Or you're saying that they then also customize their code to change behavior? 16:49 jcamins owen: that's why I liked the narrower one. It seemed more distinct. 16:49 chris_n cfouts, hdl: arn't all sysprefs loaded into the session? 16:49 moodaepo @wunder 56001 16:49 munin moodaepo: The current temperature in South on Monks, Mankato, Minnesota is 23.6�C (11:54 AM CDT on August 05, 2010). Conditions: Clear. Humidity: 49%. Dew Point: 12.0�C. Pressure: 29.99 in 1015.5 hPa (Rising). 16:49 owen FWIW I prefer that one too 16:49 cfouts the only potential use case I can imagine is if there's some existing mechanism (that I don't know about) that exports sysprefs to be accessible in template parsing. 16:50 hdl cfouts: sometimes, they ask for so strange behaviours, that one has to allow them to add local sys prefs... 16:50 chris_n if so, then they could be used inside of templates w/o code modification 16:50 hdl chris_n: no, they are not. 16:51 hdl at least I donot think so 16:51 * chris_n was asking this same question about local sysprefs when contemplating adding back in a local syspref editor option 16:51 chris_n it seems that if you add a syspref, you put it in an existing category or make a new one for it 16:52 cfouts my overarching question for this is wondering why we have to increment the dbrev each time we add a new syspref. 16:53 chris_n cfouts: I think that is required only for other-than-local sysprefs 16:53 chris_n here is one use case of local sysprefs: http://wiki.koha-community.org/wiki/Koha_as_a_CMS 16:53 chris_n but it still requires touching code 16:53 nengard cfouts we have librarians using the local use preferences to create pages on their koha server 16:54 nengard basically they do this: http://wiki.koha-community.org/wiki/Koha_as_a_CMS -- but that too is linked to code 16:54 chris_n cfouts: incrementing the dbrev ensures that existing installs pickup on the addition 16:54 * chris_n hears an echo... ;-) 16:54 nengard ? did someone else say that? I was trying to read back :) oops soory 16:54 nengard sorry 16:55 chris_n :) 16:55 cfouts why isn't the information about the syspref hard-coded, just like its tab affiliation, then seed a default value into the DB table the first time it's accessed? 16:58 chris_n cfouts: are you speaking of the new syspref editor? 16:58 reva owen: Sorry, an interruption just got back and followed what your instructions to show the field in the selected framework. Thanks it worked great and now it is showing when I am creating and editing a record.:) And thanks nengard too! 16:58 cfouts I think so. I'm not sure what the old syspref editor is. 16:59 chris_n the entire thing is hard coded now with the db only storing the actual values 16:59 chris_n except in the case of local sysprefs which still rely on old code 16:59 chris_n hopefully that will be fixed in 3.4 17:01 chris_n cfouts: I see what you're suggesting... that's a good idea 17:01 cfouts I think it's not clear to me what differentiates a local from non-local syspref. "local" are one's that aren't part of the official panoply dstributed with koha? 17:01 chris_n the default value could be added to the yaml file and then some code to push it if there is no value currently in the db 17:02 sekjal it does seem a bit odd to have staff be able to add system preferences through the staff client, but not be able to do anything with them without editing Perl. 17:02 chris_n cfouts: correct 17:02 sekjal the barrier for getting the local prefs to take effect is still there 17:03 sekjal now, if the templates were editable through the staff client... 17:03 chris_n cfouts: if such a change were made it would make the work flow easier for adding a syspref 17:03 cfouts sekjal: so syspref contents are accessible from template space? 17:03 cfouts chris_n: exactly. that's what I'm trying to get around is the DB updatedatabase coordination. 17:04 cfouts which makes merging a pain. 17:04 sekjal cfouts: if they aren't all universally available, it could be done 17:04 * chris_n agrees with anything that makes life easier 17:06 chris_n pianohack! 17:06 chris_n just in time for a syspref discussion 17:06 cfouts speak of the devil 17:06 pianohack In a meeting at the moment, but I'll browse the scrollback :) 17:06 owen pianohack felt a disturbance in the system preferences force 17:07 chris_n fwiw, a wad of sysprefs are loaded in the template 17:08 * chris_n tests to see if a newly added local pref shows up 17:09 chris_n nope 17:09 chris_n so it will always take code work to make a syspref appear in the template 17:09 chris_n the way things stand atm 17:10 * chris_n loves git 17:10 chris_n pianohack: when you're back here is the thought: the default value could be added to the yaml file and then some code to push it if there is no value currently in the db 17:11 sekjal all this is making me that Koha needs to have themes/skins and plug-ins, much like other systems 17:11 chris_n allowing us to get rid of using updatedatabase.pl and dbrevs to add new prefs 17:11 chris_n sekjal: true 17:12 * chris_n looks around for gmcharlt 17:12 chris_n cfouts: why not shoot a post to the dev list outlining your idea and see what folks have to say about it 17:13 * chris_n thinks it has merit 17:14 chris_n bbiab 17:51 CGI350 I'm trying to create a batch so that I can print labels for books. Koha has an option to search for the items according to the date they were added, however, it does not seem to be working. any suggestions? 17:51 chris_n CGI350: what version are you using? 17:52 CGI350 3.01 17:52 CGI350 3.01.00.143, to be exact 17:55 briceSanc hi 17:55 chris_n CGI350: the label item search is broken in that version iirc; it works in 3.2.beta 17:55 * chris_n suggests upgraded 17:56 CGI350 what's the easiest way of upgrading to 3.2.beta? 17:56 sekjal chris_n: 3.01.00.143 is only 2 dbrevs behind the current HEAD 17:57 chris_n opps... sorry, I miss-read and was thinking 3.0.x 17:58 sekjal CGI350: did you migrate your items from a previous system, or add them directly into Koha? 17:58 chris_n CGI350: it works fine here 17:58 * chris_n suspects data problems 17:59 CGI350 I imported the records from loc, etc. 17:59 CGI350 loc = Library of Congress 18:00 CGI350 I made a few minor changes to them of course 18:00 sekjal CGI350: right. and you added item records for those biblios once they were imported? 18:00 CGI350 I can search by title and add items to the batch but searching by add date doesn't seem to be working. I've tried it in the past as well 18:01 CGI350 sekjal: correct. though koha did most of the work for me 18:01 * chris_n verifies the item search works in .143 as well 18:01 sekjal it does seem like a data problem, that your records are somehow missing the necessary date information 18:01 pianohack chris_n: The only problem there is that default values would have to be added to every C4::Context->preference call, because a preference might be referred to by the code before the preferences.pl screen is loaded 18:02 chris_n pianohack: what about some code to check at login time? 18:03 chris_n CGI350: the search is performed on the accession date, so maybe check to see if that is missing from your item records 18:04 briceSanc Could we make a codabar search in OPAC ? 18:06 CGI350 chris_n: would I check that in the marc record or in the items that are added after importing the marc record? 18:06 chris_n in the item records which you added after marc import 18:07 CGI350 I checked. The dates are there 18:09 CGI350 I can see the "acquired date" in box d when I edit the items 18:10 CGI350 Anything else I can check? 18:18 chris_n if you are using zebra, be sure you have re-indexed after item entry and prior to searching 18:19 CGI350 no zebra. i'll reindex right now and then try again 18:22 CGI350 Still nothing 18:28 chris_n owen about? 18:28 owen Yes 18:28 chris_n any thoughts on why I get "Could not find opac-search.xml" in the opac advanced search? 18:28 * chris_n just rebased 18:30 owen No idea. I've never seen that one before 18:34 * chris_n suspects syspref data corruption 18:40 chris_n hmm... broken pazpar2 server 18:41 wizzyrea owen++ #for teaching jquery at kohacon last year 18:42 owen Who's doing it this year? :) 18:42 wizzyrea >.< nobody that I know of 18:42 wizzyrea < is not qualified to teach it, for sure 18:42 chris we use jquery a lot at catalyst 18:42 chris ill be able to find ppl for the dev conference if its wanted 18:44 wizzyrea owen: just saying that because it's because of you that I get a lot more done :) 18:44 owen And good morning chris :) 18:45 chris morning owen 18:47 chris_n hi chris 18:48 chris hey chris_n 18:49 chris_n chris: when you get a chance maybe comment on the discussion earlier of modifying the method of adding sysprefs 18:49 cait hi cris 18:49 cait chris 18:49 chris_n brb 18:50 chris im not sure i think incrementing the db version is such a bad thing 19:07 wizzyrea if I wanted to add a tablesorter, could I do that for a specific table through intranetuserjs? 19:07 wizzyrea I think I see that I could but I'm doubting myself 19:07 wizzyrea guess the worst that would happen is that it would break :P 19:08 owen I haven't tried it that way wizzyrea but it should be possible if the markup is correct 19:08 owen The catch is that the table needs a <thead> and a <tbody> and not all do 19:08 wizzyrea right, the one I am trying to do does 19:08 wizzyrea (view_holdsqueue) 19:09 wizzyrea #holdst 19:09 wizzyrea so I would include <script type="text/javascript" src="<!-- TMPL_VAR name="themelang" -->/lib/jquery/plugins/jquery.tablesorter.min.js">< 19:09 wizzyrea or would I not need to 19:09 owen the tablesorter js isn't included by default 19:09 wizzyrea and then the $("#holdst").tablesorter(); in the right place 19:10 owen You'd have to enter it with the correct full path to the plugin though, w/o the TMPL stuff 19:10 wizzyrea right 19:10 wizzyrea good point 19:11 wizzyrea so en/lib/etc 19:11 wizzyrea since en is my lang 19:11 wizzyrea or do you have to go back further than that 19:11 wizzyrea bah, I'll just try it 19:12 owen /intranet-tmpl/prog/en/etc... 19:12 wizzyrea aha 19:12 wizzyrea so from koha base 19:12 wizzyrea guess that makes sense :P 19:13 wizzyrea ^^ is serious 19:16 jcamins You can use jQuery to make sortable tables?!? 19:16 jcamins Wow. 19:16 owen And we do :) 19:22 wizzyrea owen: it totally works 19:22 wizzyrea :D 19:22 * wizzyrea does a little dance 19:23 wizzyrea thanks for the advice 19:26 chris owen: can you think of a reason not to include the tablesorter? given we can use expires headers etc to have the browser cache it, it would be handy if it was available almost everywhere in the staff side 19:26 owen chris: I think originally I wasn't sure how often it was going to be used 19:27 chris makes sense 19:28 owen When you say "we can use expires headers etc" is that something that can happen through Koha, or only through Apache configuration? 19:28 wizzyrea you'd still have to have the little tag to actually implement it on a given table, right? 19:29 jwagner Not to change the subject, but I was astonished today to find that Koha will accept and use barcodes with spaces in them. This seems like a recipe for disaster to me -- was it intended? 19:29 wizzyrea ^^ has also noted this 19:29 wizzyrea (some of our tiny libraries type them in with the spaces 19:29 wizzyrea ) 19:29 wizzyrea and are surprised when they don't work 19:30 owen Spaces are just data right? The only time you might have problems is when doing something like auto-incrementing them 19:30 chris owen: through webserver configuration 19:30 jwagner We were working with a dataload, and there are barcodes on the same title like 330320096470 1, 330320096470 19:30 jwagner 2, 330320096470 3 -- Koha seems happy with them, but _I'm_ not. 19:30 chris owen: the default koha-httpd.conf puts some on now i think 19:30 wizzyrea owen; it's a problem when you try to scan a barcode that you've typed in with spaces... it no worky 19:31 chris owen: but i use nginx to serve all my static content, and apache2 just for the dynamic stuff 19:31 wizzyrea i imagine those barcodes don't work well with their respective scanners 19:31 chris wizzyrea: because the scanner doesnt insert the spaces? 19:31 wizzyrea right 19:32 chris yeah, not really a koha problem, spaces are just data 19:32 wizzyrea (of course, if our lil librarians were... well, we won't say, but they should be scanning in the barcode instead of typing it) 19:33 chris we could warn, did you mean to put a space here? 19:33 chris i dont think it should auto correct though, thats more of a recipe for disaster 19:33 * wizzyrea refrains from proposing a syspref for "accept spaces in barcodes?" 19:33 * wizzyrea realizes she just did 19:33 wizzyrea crap. 19:34 owen I think we need a syspref for "accept threes in barcodes." And one for fours. etc. 19:34 chris heh 19:34 wizzyrea sob. 19:35 jwagner I personally think we just shouldn't allow spaces in the barcode.... 19:35 chris well i think people should cleanse their data before loading it 19:35 jwagner Or allow people to create policy codes with special characters in them like @ or ' that screw up the system. Grump. 19:36 wizzyrea chris: to be contrary, our problems stem from original data entry 19:36 wizzyrea not at load time 19:37 chris wizzyrea: yup, but what if someone wants a space in it 19:37 chris and the scanner does insert them 19:37 chris now weve broken koha for them 19:37 chris how about you go to the staff, and say, look 19:37 wizzyrea to disallow them entirely is probably bad, hence my proposal that was not a proposal. :P 19:37 chris stop typing in spaces 19:37 chris or you are fired 19:38 chris problem solved 19:38 wizzyrea but in all truth, that's what we did (except for the fired bit) 19:38 wizzyrea NERD FIGHT! 19:38 wizzyrea :) 19:38 chris im sick of tech solutions to human problems 19:38 chris this is a really minor case of that 19:38 chris but i run into it all the time, make this system stupidly complicated, cos our staff are morons 19:39 chris and we cant make them actually do their jobs 19:39 owen I've sometimes wondered about adding a preference where you could enter a JavaScript regex that would check for your particular library's barcode pattern 19:39 chris plus ive been writing rfp responses which are stupidly complex, so im just grumpy 19:39 chris oh, that might be pretty cool 19:39 wizzyrea that'll do it 19:40 wizzyrea ooh, yea good idea owen 19:40 cait +1 19:40 cait :) 19:40 wizzyrea then you can set it howeveryouwant 19:41 jwagner That would be helpful, yes. But I'm still shocked that it was allowed. Guess my legacy prejudices are showing.... 19:42 owen Who is Koha to presume you don't want spaces in your barcode? 19:43 chris thats what i was trying to say 19:43 * wizzyrea imagines owen on a soapbox 19:43 * wizzyrea listens with rapt attention 19:43 wizzyrea lol. ok, sorry. I'll stop now. 19:43 wizzyrea <3 19:44 cait good night all 19:44 owen Where's a fella even get a box of soap these days anyway? 19:44 cait :) 19:44 chris code128 allows spaces 19:44 chris code3of9 doesnt 19:44 wizzyrea gnite cait 19:44 chris sorry, yes, 3of9 does too 19:44 chris code11 doesnt 19:45 chris code49 no space, code 93 space is valid 19:45 chris so yeah, i dont think allowing spaces is intrinsicly bad 19:45 chris since the specs allow them 19:46 wizzyrea you win. :) 19:46 chris heh 19:46 chris nerd olympics 19:46 chris ok bus time 19:50 * jwagner concedes the argument and heads home.... 19:50 wizzyrea bye jwagner 19:52 owen Disallowing spaces in barcodes can be the next big LLEK feature. 19:52 wizzyrea lol, you've been holding onto that one for a while haven't you 19:52 wizzyrea [off] I had a mind to say something similar but... refrained 19:53 wizzyrea [off] keeping the peace and all that >.< 19:53 owen Every time I accidentally type a bugs.koha.org address and DON'T get intelligently redirected I get pissed off anew 19:54 wizzyrea oh humbug, you're leaving aren't you owen 19:54 wizzyrea i will ask you about barcodes on the holds queue report tomorrow maybe 19:54 owen Did you have a question? 19:55 wizzyrea it's not important enough for you to stay late 19:55 wizzyrea :) 19:55 owen Yeah, I can take a look tomorrow at how we added barcodes to our custom holds queue report 19:55 owen Bug me about it 19:55 wizzyrea k I will 19:55 owen Bye all! 20:27 richard hi 20:58 chris hi richard 20:58 richard hey chris 23:06 chris http://perlbuzz.com/2010/08/perl-6-has-data-dumping-built-in.html <--handy 23:11 robin chris: perl6 has a lot of awesome in it, just waiting for it to be closer to production ready. 23:11 robin I want the ~~ operator. 23:13 robin http://svn.pugscode.org/pugs/docs/Perl6/Spec/S03-operators.pod <-- search for the 'Smart matching' section 23:13 chris yup 23:13 robin apparently it's in perl 5 now, too 23:14 robin I just noticed. 23:14 robin I need to read perlsyn one of these days, I'm missing all kinds of new goodness I expect. 23:15 chris perlbuzz is good too 23:15 robin chris: reminds me, does Koha have a target perl version, or is it "whatever's in debian stable at the moment"? 23:15 chris 5.10 23:15 robin ah cool 23:15 chris pretty much equates to the same thing though :) 23:15 robin we should start putting 'use 5.10' in the files. 23:16 chris we do in some i think 23:16 chris or i might be dreaming 23:16 robin oh OK 23:16 robin I haven't noticed, but I haven't been looking. 23:16 robin Might start doing it as a matter of habit. 23:17 chris the packages certainly require it 23:17 chris .deb ones 23:17 chris yeah, good idea