Time Nick Message 22:14 chris spotya later 22:14 JeremyLC time to go home 21:11 JeremyLC we haven't gotten far enough to test, we've been stymied by the hourly loans / statistics, but that seems to really be a non-issue 21:10 wizzyrea (but we don't have that) 21:10 wizzyrea but it seems to be fixed in 3.2. 21:09 wizzyrea in our version, over https:// the import/z searching doesn't work 21:09 JeremyLC due to FERPA, it's pretty much required in an academic environment (if I understand correctly) 21:09 chris http://nzoss.org.nz/news/2010/rachel-hamilton-williams-elected-president 21:08 chris JeremyLC: mainly cos of the setting up certificates out of hte box, but yes we should strong recommend ppl do it 21:03 JeremyLC back 21:00 pianohack bye, sek 21:00 sekjal time for me to go. have a good rest of your day, #koha! 20:59 JeremyLC brb 20:58 JeremyLC relatedly, why doesn't the Koha admin/staff interface use https by default? (fairly simple to setup, though) 20:57 JeremyLC agreed 20:55 chris as they should 20:55 JeremyLC (non-optional, the infosec office and uni. policy require it) 20:55 chris definitely, i think most ppl would like that 20:55 JeremyLC we also need the option to use LDAP with SSL 20:54 chris having it as a configuration option would make for less overhead with 2 mostly identical code bases 20:54 JeremyLC (CEDAR == our uni's implementation of LDAP) 20:54 chris i think the former would be better 20:53 JeremyLC I was thinking we could either add re-binding as a configurable option to the existing Auth_with_LDAP or create our own Auth_with_CEDAR as a unique module 20:53 chris yeah koha can use a CAS server to authenticate 20:52 JeremyLC as in Auth_with_cas.pm ? 20:51 chris have you looked into that? 20:50 chris you could use the CAS stuff JeremyLC 20:50 richard hi 20:48 JeremyLC is it possible to add our own custom authentication module? 20:44 sekjal bye, briceSanc 20:44 chris cya briceSanc 20:43 briceSanc Bye everyone, see you tomorrow 20:43 chris morning alan, thought you were on leave? 20:43 chris not after what happened last time 20:41 * wizzyrea imagines chris bumping into things for the sake of #koha 20:41 JeremyLC (we need rebinding for authentication) 20:41 chris heh, naw at my desk now 20:41 wizzyrea lol 20:41 wizzyrea chris if you are walking I hope you're looking where you are going 20:41 JeremyLC that leaves us with a minor LDAP issue to resolve and we're good 20:40 chris but no reason you cant use it for other things, thats what its for :) 20:40 chris i use statistics to show the busy times in the library etc 20:39 JeremyLC that's very nice to find out 20:39 JeremyLC that would do it 20:37 pastebot "chris" at 202.78.240.7 pasted "sample of output from statistics" (7 lines) at http://paste.koha-community.org/34 20:37 JeremyLC Hmm... :) This sounds like good news for us 20:35 JeremyLC sekjal: no fines, even though we would really love to 20:35 chris so with a couple of subqueries you could get hte data from statistics, would be much cleaner to get it from issues table itself though 20:34 sekjal JeremyLC: do you charge fines for late materials, and if so, how frequently do they accrue? 20:34 chris ditto for return 20:33 JeremyLC we could give up the 4-hour limit (call it 1-day and be done), since it has, in practice, never come up as an issue 20:33 chris try a select * from statistics where type='issue' limit 2; 20:32 JeremyLC oh? 20:30 chris but we still want those fields changed :) 20:30 chris ah yep, you could do the report from statistics currently 20:27 JeremyLC also, we do have a 4-hour checkout limit for students (1 week for professors) 20:26 chris My stop 20:26 chris Which records issues and returns with timestamps 20:26 JeremyLC so, no time recorded, just date 20:26 chris Ill have to check I might be think of statistics 20:25 sekjal issues, reserves and items (and their old/deleted counterparts) mostly 20:25 sekjal yeah, I've identified a bunch of tables in Koha that'll need to have their dates changed to datetimes 20:25 JeremyLC (even the 3.2 beta) 20:25 JeremyLC they are, in al the versions of Koha I've looked at, date fields 20:24 chris They are datetime fields iirc, just datedue isnt 20:23 chris Yup they are 20:23 sekjal so long as the checkin and checkout times are recorded, which they darn well better be 20:23 sekjal JeremyLC: an interesting report... not one I'd think to run in a book-based library. but certainly do-able 20:22 JeremyLC sekjal: we are a media lab (we have DVDs, CDs, VHS, etc.) and certain students are required to spend x-hours per week watching/listening in our lab, so we track how long they have a given item and that is counted as their time 20:21 JeremyLC sekjal: all items 20:20 sekjal cumulative usage per item, or of all items? 20:20 JeremyLC sekjal: we need to be able to track how long a given patron has a given item and be able, later, to generate reports showing their cumulative usage 20:17 sekjal JeremyLC: do you have specific requirements for what hourly circulation would need to do for your institution? 20:17 pianohack larsw: thanks 20:16 chris Ahh cool thanks larsw 20:16 larsw chris, yay :) 20:16 chris After his great talk on packaging I aim to package everything 20:16 larsw in principle, it should be enough to just modify the files and then run "debuild -us -uc", it usually does the right thing and creates the patch automatically; this is sufficiently good for local use, at least 20:16 JeremyLC that would be a faster schedule than we could do here, we'll be doing some hardware upgrades (Apple lease renewal) and it would be right at the beginning of our fall semester (begins Aug. 26) 20:14 chris Larsw can tell you if I'm speaking crap :) 20:14 chris With the right switches 20:13 pianohack chris: cool 20:13 chris Diff will make you a patch 20:13 briceSanc no 20:13 chris Or something very similair I can check in 20 mins when I'm at my desk 20:13 JeremyLC briceSanc , have you already started on it, then? 20:13 pianohack thanks, that's probably worth the time for this project. Are there any quicker hacks to do it in the future, if I'm in a hurry? 20:12 chris And the debuild -uc 20:12 pianohack okay, that's cool 20:12 chris Put in in the patches dir 20:11 chris Is make a patch for you mod 20:11 chris The best way 20:11 briceSanc before the end of August 20:11 briceSanc we are very interested by develop this feature 20:11 pianohack (building a customized ghostscript to support a printer driver) 20:10 pianohack What's the quickest way to create a debian package from a source tree retrieved by apt-get source, then modified? 20:10 briceSanc Hi JeremyLC, I talked with Sekjal about the checkout by hour 20:09 chris It makes me thirsty 20:09 JeremyLC that makes my chest hurt just looking at it 20:02 jcamins chris_n: just looking at that is giving me high cholesterol for the first time in my life. 20:01 chris Heh 20:00 chris_n if that doesn't make your heart scream nothing will 19:59 chris_n check this out food lovers: http://foodbeast.com/content/2010/02/13/bacon-cheese-turtleburger/ 19:58 * jcamins would also be happy for an ambient temperature of 2 C 19:58 jcamins Well, looking on the plus side, at least you're not so far out. 19:57 * chris_n will take 2 C right now if he could get it :-P 19:57 larsw yes 19:57 jcamins larsw: are you staying in Manhattan? 19:56 chris Man it really is 2 out here 19:55 chris Yeah we should definitely do a few lunches before you head off 19:55 jcamins larsw: Sounds like NYC. 19:54 larsw chilts, good luck! I hope to see you before I leave NZ again 19:54 larsw jcamins, hot and smelly 19:54 chris larsw: chilts last day today 19:54 jcamins larsw: how's NYC? 19:53 chris Yep it works 19:48 pianohack Hi 19:48 larsw greetings 19:48 wizzyrea hi :) 19:48 wizzyrea lars! 19:47 larsw chris :) 19:47 * chris wanders off 19:47 chris <--- geek 19:47 chris bbiab, i thnk i adjusted the aerial on my wifi enough so that i can get wifi at the bus stop :) 19:47 chris ok bus time 19:43 chris_n never say never.... 19:42 wizzyrea < is a former "never" sayer 19:41 chris :-) 19:40 jcamins chris: since I just got off the phone with my college roommate, who asked if we were moving into an apartment that had enough space for kids, I thought clarification might be needed. 19:38 chris heh jcamins 19:38 jcamins Okay, carry on. 19:38 chris i suspect we have the most kids too :) 19:38 jcamins Just in case any listeners are confused: despite all the children being discussed on #koha, I do not have any plans to have kids. 19:38 chris https://www.ohloh.net/p/koha/factoids/3529472 19:38 chris somethng random i found yesterday 19:37 brendan :) I totally agree 19:37 chris yeah, we have a fair few of them now 19:37 wizzyrea I won't mind if you come here in 8-9 months and say "OMG kiddo rolled over this morning!" 19:37 owen brendan: It'll be nice to add another "koha kid" to the roster 19:37 chris_n :-) 19:37 chris chris_n: yeah bit of frost 19:37 wizzyrea ^.^ 19:37 chris :) 19:36 brendan well - I've enjoyed the kid stories - I'll be able to join in a year or so ;) 19:36 chris_n or icing? 19:36 chris_n snowing? 19:36 brendan yeah 2 what the hell? 19:36 chris what the hell?????? 19:36 chris_n trade chris? 19:36 chris 2??? 19:36 chris_n should be 47% 19:36 munin chris: The current temperature in Wellington, New Zealand is 2.0�C (7:00 AM NZST on July 30, 2010). Conditions: Partly Cloudy. Humidity: 100%. Dew Point: 2.0�C. Windchill: 0.0�C. Pressure: 30.45 in 1031 hPa (Steady). 19:36 chris @wunder wellington nz 19:36 chris_n that humidity is wrong 19:36 munin wizzyrea: The current temperature in Lawrence Live-Courtesy of the Khoury's, Lawrence, Kansas is 33.1�C (2:40 PM CDT on July 29, 2010). Conditions: Clear. Humidity: 60%. Dew Point: 24.0�C. Pressure: 29.99 in 1015.5 hPa (Falling). 19:36 wizzyrea @wunder 66047 19:35 chris yikes 19:35 munin brendan: The current temperature in Northwest Goleta, Goleta, California is 19.9�C (12:37 PM PDT on July 29, 2010). Conditions: Clear. Humidity: 64%. Dew Point: 13.0�C. Pressure: 30.02 in 1016.5 hPa (Rising). 19:35 brendan @wunder 93117 19:35 munin chris_n: The current temperature in Dunn, North Carolina is 35.1�C (3:36 PM EDT on July 29, 2010). Conditions: Clear. Humidity: 16%. Dew Point: 4.0�C. Pressure: 29.53 in 999.9 hPa (Falling). 19:35 chris_n @wunder 28334 19:35 chris_n ouch... 42 deg C heat index outside 19:35 wizzyrea but it was the 1st time. 19:35 wizzyrea which, really, I"m sure is nothing huge 19:35 wizzyrea spud told me last night "not yet, one more minute!" when it was time for bed. 19:34 chris 'i want a juice please', 'you can have water', 'what the hell??' 19:34 wizzyrea yes, I'm afraid we are in for some of that ourselves. 19:34 wizzyrea lol 19:34 chris kahu pulled out 'what the hell?????' at kindergarten the other day (me again im afraid) apparently in perfect context, the kindergarten teachers took great joy in telling me 19:33 joetho I have reset my clocks to trick my kids, and believe me, you only get to use that one ONCE. 19:33 wizzyrea (pixel is the cat, in case that wasn't clear) 19:32 wizzyrea lol 19:32 chris :) 19:32 chris and then tell ppl at the worst times 19:31 chris they remember FOREVER 19:31 wizzyrea he still reminds me of that incident, and it's been like a month 19:31 wizzyrea I was like, oh dear, you're right, I should not have thrown a shoe at the cat. >.> 19:31 wizzyrea NO KEEKEE 19:31 chris hehe 19:30 wizzyrea Use words at cat! 19:30 wizzyrea no throw shoes at keekee! Poor Pixel! 19:30 chris got that from me 19:30 chris oh yeah atarau yells at the cat 19:30 wizzyrea poor spud came unhinged 19:30 wizzyrea to keep him from scratching the furniture! 19:30 * chris_n wonders if he is lying to himself when he sets back his clock one timezone to get an extra hour in 19:30 wizzyrea then I threw a shoe at the cat 19:30 chris heh 19:30 wizzyrea like the time I told spud not to throw things at the cat 19:29 wizzyrea they tell me it's bad form and teaches the wrong lesson to lie to your kids :P 19:29 chris_n hehe 19:29 chris yeah, 3 is much better 19:29 wizzyrea j/k, that's dishonest and not nice 19:29 chris good plan :) 19:29 wizzyrea oh snap, sneak in while hes asleep and set it back 2 hours :P 19:29 chris ill let you know when it happens chris_n :) 19:28 chris_n how about when the battery dies? 19:28 chris whos dumb idea was it to teach him how to tell time 19:28 owen Durn kids keep learnin' 19:28 chris cos he knows where the hands on the clock should point 19:28 chris but he sussed it out 19:28 chris you can change it 19:28 wizzyrea he's only up if he's sick or in a phase or accidentally ate chocolate after 5 19:28 chris_n heh 19:28 owen chris: Does it have a weekend mode where it secretly doesn't open its eyes until 9? :) 19:27 chris i hear 'DADDDDDYYYYYY MONKEYS EYES ARE OPEN" 19:27 wizzyrea seriously speaking, he sleeps pretty well now, and both goes to bed and wakes at totally decent hours 19:27 chris so at precisely 7am every day 19:27 chris he knows he isnt allowed up until the monkeys eyes are open 19:27 wizzyrea Aha 19:27 chris and open at 7am 19:27 chris its eyes close at 7pm 19:27 wizzyrea what is this monkey clock you speak of? 19:26 chris kahu has a clock, thats a monkey 19:26 chris i wonder if my monkey clock would work for spud? 19:26 chris_n our order was: boy, girl, boy, girl 19:26 wizzyrea :) 19:26 chris heh 19:26 wizzyrea OMG TELL THIS BABY TO GO BACK TO SLEEP 19:26 chris yeah ive seen you on twitter at 3am 19:25 chris hehe 19:25 wizzyrea I am full of snark on this topic, it's so hard to keep it in check 19:25 wizzyrea lol chris_n... 19:25 chris_n brendan++ 19:25 wizzyrea Yay a girl! 19:25 chris congrats brendan!! 19:25 chris_n yup, first one was pins and needles... fourth was roll over and go back to sleep 19:25 brendan since we're talking about babies.. We found out yesterday - that we are having a Girl 19:24 wizzyrea HAHA 19:24 chris the 2nd one is more 'meh, he'll go back to sleep' 19:24 chris hehe, you'll realise how dangerous that would be when you meet laurel wizzyrea :) 19:23 chris_n we tried to trade off and alternate up times 19:23 wizzyrea j/k j/k 19:23 wizzyrea the second one was all elbows in the rib "Get up and feed the baby!" 19:23 chris cos i would wake up if i heard something, if i didnt hear something, if a cloud drifted past 19:22 chris laurel made me go sleep in the lounge 19:22 munin chris_n: The operation succeeded. Quote #87 added. 19:22 chris_n @quote add <wizzyrea> my standard reply for that is "you know that women are genetically predisposed to wake to a baby's cry... where men are more likely to wake up to the sound of a fly buzzing" 19:22 wizzyrea but I am glad you have a good sleeping baby, that's definitely a blessing. :) 19:22 chris first one 19:22 chris heh 19:22 wizzyrea so... what I'm saying is... oh never mind. 19:22 chris so yup, busy 19:22 chris_n lol! 19:21 wizzyrea my standard reply for that is "you know that women are genetically predisposed to wake to a baby's cry... where men are more likely to wake up to the sound of a fly buzzing" 19:21 chris she also has a band reunion in pittsburgh 19:21 chris_n a busy trip then 19:21 chris with stops in LA (one brother) and NYC (the other brother) 19:21 chris pittsburgh 19:21 chris before its full fare for all of them 19:21 chris_n whereabouts? 19:21 chris laurel and the 2 boys are going back to see the grandparents 19:20 chris hes gonna be in the US round then 19:20 chris_n heh 19:20 chris play date :) 19:20 chris yup 19:20 chris_n just about a month apart 19:20 chris mercy is a great name 19:20 chris_n Mercy's is september 18 19:19 chris atarau is 14 months today 19:19 chris actually hes a few months from 4, november 20 19:19 chris_n when is Kahu's birthday? 19:19 chris atarau wakes once or twice a night 19:19 chris for even 19:18 chris and everyday am i thankful fo it 19:18 chris kahu (nearly 4) sleeps 7 to 7 19:18 chris til the teeth kick in 19:18 * chris_n 's nearly 4 year old still wakes up at night at least once 19:18 chris ive been fairly lucky with both my boys, sleep wise 19:16 chris heh 19:16 owen cfouts: Careful when sharing that with other first-time parents ;) 19:16 chris excellent :) 19:15 cfouts she likes to sleep more or less through the night. 19:15 cfouts my daughter is remarkably generous. I sleep quite as much as ever. 19:15 cfouts thanks! 19:14 chris nearly 2 months now? iirc 19:13 joetho new dad? CONGRATULATIONS ! ! ! 19:13 chris (my standard question to all newish dads :)) 19:13 chris heya cfouts, hows the sleep going? 18:30 chris yup, catalyst will probably have some resource to help, certainly testing 18:30 sekjal I'm certainly excited. hourly loans need to happen, and it's very encouraging to see it moving forward in this way 18:28 chris_n this looks like an exciting development 18:28 sekjal chris: yes, hopefully it will make it into 3.4 fully tested and ready to go. 18:27 * chris_n wakes up at the sound of so many wins 18:20 chris win-win 18:20 chris and as ill probably be the RM when it goes in, more testing makes my life a lot easier too 18:20 chris yup yup 18:18 sekjal chris: exactly. big a change as it would bring on, the more testing that can be done, the better 18:17 joetho paypal button 18:17 chris sekjal: yup, would make it easy for ppl to test and even send patches too 18:16 chris oh how we laughed 18:15 owen And then LibLime can chip in too! :D 18:12 sekjal chris: that'd be great. everyone would be able to track the progress that way 18:11 chris like the fbc or catalyst ones 18:11 chris http://git.koha-community.org/gitweb/ 18:10 chris if it would help we can set up a wip repo on git.koha-community.org that you can push too 17:59 briceSanc ok 17:58 sekjal sounds like a plan. I'll talk to my people, and we'll move forward from there 17:57 briceSanc So i will send you a mail once i have an answer about Checkoutbyhour enhancement 17:56 sekjal absolutely agreed. 17:55 briceSanc So our first concern is to see our work in the Koha Community integrated for easy maintenance 17:54 briceSanc for at least 5 years 17:53 briceSanc Our company work for 20 School in Quebec 17:52 briceSanc ok i understand 17:51 sekjal stuff to define how we would work together 17:51 sekjal agreements between our respective companies, for things like liability, copyright, etc. 17:50 briceSanc what do you mean by "business-type arrangements to be made" 17:49 sekjal there are, of course, business-type arrangements to be made, but I prefer to leave that to business-type people. I'm eager to make this happen 17:48 briceSanc 1,2,3,.. developpers... i love Open Source 17:48 sekjal yes, I believe so. I know he's interested, and may have a team to contribute, as well 17:47 briceSanc and JeremyLC is a developper too ? 17:47 briceSanc great. 17:46 sekjal excellent. I've been active for about a year, and doing it fulltime since March 17:46 briceSanc so i can learn quickly 17:45 briceSanc i'm a new in Koha community but i work at full time on Koha since 2 weeks 17:44 briceSanc we have the same dead line 17:44 sekjal the sooner the better; we've been aiming for the end of the summer over here, but that's rapidly approaching 17:44 briceSanc and I'm at brice.sanchez@sys-tech.net 17:43 briceSanc For when you will wish to have this enhancement 17:42 sekjal I'm at ian.walls@bywatersolutions.com 17:42 briceSanc what is your email address ? 17:42 briceSanc if we can agree on the specifications, we can have a central repo 17:41 sekjal great! 17:41 briceSanc ASAP 17:41 briceSanc i have a meeting in 2Hrs with my project manager. We will make our spec requirements and send to you 17:41 sekjal a central repo would be handy, but not necessarily required 17:41 sekjal there are lots of ways to structure the Git sharing... 17:40 briceSanc ok 17:40 sekjal then we figure out how to make it do those things, write some code, and test 17:40 briceSanc of course ! 17:39 sekjal what, in the end, does the system need to do? in somewhat-excruciating detail 17:39 sekjal I'll need to talk to my team for some of the details, but I think our first step is laying out all the requirements for the project 17:38 briceSanc ? 17:38 briceSanc How could we proceed to get organized 17:37 sekjal awesome! 17:37 briceSanc My project manager and me are very interesset to help you to develop the CheckoutByHour 17:37 sekjal sorry I disappeared; my desktop crashed 17:37 sekjal hi, briceSanc! 17:36 briceSanc sekjal, Hi ! 17:28 briceSanc JeremyLC, Hi ! 17:19 JeremyLC bbl 17:17 JeremyLC I need to go too 17:17 sekjal dividing it between system events (like a checkin or checkout) and date-driven events (like pre-dues, dues, overdues, hold expiry, etc) 17:16 sekjal I have some notes on redoing the whole notices system. 17:15 wizzyrea bbl 17:15 wizzyrea but I have to go 17:15 wizzyrea defining what gets sent when, it would indeed be nice to have a little more customization there 17:15 wizzyrea at least on the patron screen 17:15 wizzyrea frankly I really like the messaging matrix as it is now 17:14 wizzyrea well yea 17:12 sekjal we'd probably want to bring in some of BibLibre's work on a tabbed circ rules interface 17:11 wizzyrea yes, agreed, could be very confusing 17:11 sekjal where by 'users' I mean staff 17:11 wizzyrea ... 17:10 sekjal which seems like it could be really confusing to users 17:10 sekjal I've even got some notes here that messaging needs to go from being based on the patron type and item type to being based on the circ rule governing it 17:08 JeremyLC and the complexity grows 17:06 sekjal a message processing script, then, would probably need to either be on a cron for every minute or so, or utilize a daemon 17:06 JeremyLC I hadn't even thought of that, since we're not technically a library (and we don't do reserves) 17:05 sekjal it would sure be nice to be able to send a SMS message to a user 5 minutes before their reserve book was due back at the desk 17:05 JeremyLC yuck 17:05 sekjal the overdues and advance notices system will need a major overhaul, as well 17:04 JeremyLC yeah, if a circulation policy specifies only a due date, then one would need to specify a default due time on said date, or default being due by the close of operations for the day 17:02 sekjal there'd need to be a rounding mechanism, so that something due 'tomorrow' wasn't due exactly 1440 minutes later 17:01 sekjal rather than have the units laid out explicitly in the database 17:01 sekjal I was thinking of doing everything in base units of 1 minute, and having the system automatically convert to hours or days 17:00 JeremyLC the liblime implementation follows the RFC, ByWater is updating the RFC for their implementation 17:00 sekjal yes. we'd need to decide if that's a good implementation to use, or if we should make any alterations. 17:00 JeremyLC there is an existing RFC on the Koha docs 16:57 JeremyLC yeah, we would have to get cleared through OTM (office of tech. management) and general counsel (legal, of course) to do that, but we were cleared for our Moodle plugins already, so there is precedent 16:57 sekjal we'd need to plan carefully and have a solid spec, but Git is great for collaboration like that 16:56 sekjal if your team, his and mine were to all work on an implementation together, perhaps we could get it done more quickly 16:56 sekjal JeremyLC: briceSanc was in here yesterday talking about implementing it, as well. 16:56 owen You wouldn't be duplicating work done by others if you were doing the work out in the open with open partners 16:55 JeremyLC we could implement it ourselves, but then we're duplicating work already done and being done, and further we risk our implementation being obsoleted by one of the two previously mentioned parties' work 16:54 owen Nothing to do but wait or chip in, JeremyLC 16:53 JeremyLC I know ByWater Solutions is working on it also, but they're nowhere near release 16:53 JeremyLC I know it has been implemented by LibLime, but we can only get it from them for more $$ than we can spend 16:53 wizzyrea somebody was in here yesterday talking about that 16:51 JeremyLC I'm still banging my head on my desk over our need for hourly circulation 16:50 wajasu oh well. 16:50 wajasu maybe the code needs a check for $min not to be zero. 16:48 wajasu i saw that it might be an issue with the instance of perl that was compiled. i.e. latest. I'm on archlinux. 16:47 wajasu i tried that cloud-kw.pl script (v 3.0.2 koha) and it had an exception ==> Can't take log of 0 at ./cloud-kw.pl line 198 16:46 owen Ask away JeremyLC , if anyone knows they answer they'll help out 16:43 JeremyLC is anyone awake? 16:21 kf ok, bye #koha 16:20 kf http://blog.ecorrado.us/2010/07/29/skyriver-files-antitrust-lawsuit-against-oclc/ 16:19 kf I read they are owned by the same people in a blog post 16:18 joetho I am curious about the triple-i / skyriver connection and why they filed this together. Time to nose around the blogosphere! 14:04 kf but sending mail to my coworkers right now ;) 14:04 kf not sure 14:00 jcamins Are there any Koha libraries using SkyRiver? 13:59 jcamins So how long until the blogosphere is humming with that bit of gossip? 13:59 kf yep 13:58 jcamins Interesting. 13:49 owen "SkyRiver Files Antitrust Suit Against OCLC" 13:49 owen Fun stuff: http://www.librarytechnology.org/ltg-displaytext.pl?RC=14916 13:35 brice hi 13:31 kf ok, plz don't misunderstand me. but I wonder if it makes sense to introduce this feature to 3.0.x now - if it will not work with 3.2 13:29 kf hm 13:25 hdl the patch proposed for 3.0.x would work on 3.0.x but not for 3.2 13:23 kf hdl: and it will be broken after update to 3.2 too? 13:23 hdl Just tested that.. ANd no. 13:23 kf hdl: so the patch will not work? 13:22 kf hdl: oh 13:21 hdl kf: Misery, misery... Code changed.... so much that I would have to rewrite the stuff 13:21 kf hi jcamins 13:21 hdl hi 13:21 hdl jcamins: 13:20 kf hdl: thx 13:16 jcamins Good morning, #koha 13:10 hdl ) 13:10 hdl (seems better 13:10 hdl kf: sill attach the file 13:10 hdl owen: I thought it was for 3.0.x since the comment spoke about 3.0.x 13:09 owen hdl: The patch was for HEAD, but I'd be happy to rework it for 3.0.x 13:09 kf hdl: will try to test tomorrow - can you perhaps send the patch again? or attach to bug? perhaps it got stuck in our spam filter 13:08 munin 04Bug http://bugs.koha-community.org/bugzilla3/show_bug.cgi?id=4984 minor, PATCH-Sent, ---, oleonard, NEW, Invalid XHTML in staff client search results 13:08 hdl owen: your patch for 3.0.x does not apply (bug 4984) 13:07 owen That seems like a good compromise 13:07 owen Is there a bug report it could be attached to? 13:06 hdl kf: will send that on list. But I would have liked that stuff to be tested before. 13:05 kf I think it will be a feature of 3.0.x now, so should be in 3.2 too. I can test tomorrow perhaps, a lot of work right now :( 13:04 kf why don't send it to koha-patches? more tests needed? 13:04 kf no mail yet 13:04 kf hm 13:04 hdl kf: bsz-bw.de 13:02 louis owen: ok 13:02 owen Wrap the snippet in that "document ready" function so that it will run on page load 13:01 owen }); 13:01 owen $("#masthead_search").append("<option value=\"xx\">XX</option>"); 13:01 owen $(document).ready(function(){ 13:01 louis never done it, but I know where to add it in the Pref system 13:01 owen louis: Are you familiar with how to add javascript to the opacuserjs system preference? 13:01 louis owen: thank you. With that I'll be able to make it work :-) 13:00 owen The question is what do you put in for "xx" ? 12:59 owen $("#masthead_search").append("<option value=\"xx\">XX</option>"); 12:59 owen louis: I'm not a CCL expert, so I don't know how to advise you on how to construct your query, but this is the snippet of jQuery which would do what you want: 12:58 louis owen: I want to customize the simple search, but everything I want to add is already searchable in the advanced search 12:57 louis yes 12:57 kf owen++ 12:57 owen louis: Is there an existing index you want to search? 12:57 louis thanks alot 12:57 kf owen is right 12:57 kf oh 12:57 owen louis: If you know the right value to add you could just some custom javascript to do it 12:57 kf louis: not by configuration, only by changing the templates 12:56 louis Hi everyone. I was wondering, is there a way to change the dropdown menu in the Opac simple search (Library Catalog, Title, Author, ...) to add a search parameter ? (using 3.2 beta) 12:54 kf hdl: which address? 12:53 kf oh, want me to test? 12:53 hdl kf sent you the patch 12:31 kf we are already running on 3.01.61 - so we won't get it with an update 12:31 kf hdl: that would be great 12:30 hdl will try to port that. 12:19 kf commit a8441dfabf5c2b561b6ba93c084a88072a910043 12:17 munin 04Bug http://bugs.koha-community.org/bugzilla3/show_bug.cgi?id=4990 normal, PATCH-Sent, ---, nahuel.angelinetti, ASSIGNED, reintegrate overdues email in overdue list 12:17 kf it was in your last commit, bug 4990 12:16 hdl Do you have a patch # ? 12:16 Drakmor thanks, I'll probably be back later to learn more 12:16 kf I saw the patch for 3.0.x - and my library would love it 12:15 hdl labels were rewritten for 3.2 and I could not port that to stable 12:15 kf I was waiting for you ... wanted to ask you about MANUAL_ODUE - is this feature working in 3.2? 12:14 kf hi hdl 12:14 kf Drakmor: I don't have a 3.0.x installation, so can't test this, perhaps someone else can help 12:14 hdl hi bw 12:14 kf ah 12:14 hdl I wanted to say you were right. 12:13 kf huh? 12:13 munin hdl: Error: "kf++" is not a valid command. 12:13 hdl @kf++ 12:13 kf Drakmor: I am not sure about your search problem for labels - we do not use the label print module yet. But I know it was rewritten for 3.2 12:13 Drakmor and it has nothing to do with the dates not being searchable? 12:12 Drakmor Good... 12:12 kf Drakmor: no, not a serious error 12:11 Drakmor If there's these problems, what's the best version to use? I figured to be safe and stay stable, but if it has problems.... 12:10 Drakmor So that's not a serious error? 12:09 kf I think there was a patch for 3.2 - so it is perhaps broken in 3.0.6 12:08 kf Drakmor: the accession date link will link to acq module later 12:05 Drakmor and this is with level 2 debug info 12:05 Drakmor Koha error The following fatal error has occurred: Can't use string ("0") as a HASH ref while "strict refs" in use at /usr/share/koha/intranet/cgi-bin/acqui/orderreceive.pl line 192. Apache Server version: Apache/2.2.14 (Ubuntu) Server built: Apr 13 2010 19:28:27 Koha 3.00.06.010 Koha DB 3.0006010 MySQL mysql Ver 14.14 Distrib 5.1.41, for debian-linux-gnu 12:05 Drakmor Yes, it shows up in the items view, but when I click on the accession date link, I get this 12:04 owen Are you sure the dates are correct in your database? 12:02 Drakmor But how about Koha not recognizing the dates? It seems like a programming error. 12:01 Drakmor Darn, that's going to be a problem... 12:01 owen If I remember correctly label printing isn't in very good shape in that version. 12:01 owen I don't know much about label printing 12:01 Drakmor I can post the error info and the pdf if you want. 11:59 Drakmor I'm using 3.00.06.010 11:59 Drakmor let me check, I'm using the newest live CD 11:58 owen Drakmor: What version of Koha? 11:56 Drakmor Hi, I've been having trouble with printing barcode labels. Whenever I put them into the pdf, Koha doesn't center them... also, Koha isn't recognizing the acquisition dates for books, making the process of selecting books take forever. 11:45 magnus g'bye #koha 11:41 druthb g'mornin, #koha. 09:21 kf hi chris_n 08:53 magnus ahh 08:50 kf just because :) 08:47 magnus kf: was? 08:37 kf yay :) 07:53 kf hi Amit and magnus 07:47 Amit heya magnus 07:47 magnus good morning kf, Amit & rest of #koha 07:47 Amit heya kf 07:43 kf good morning #koha 06:17 cait hm time for work and the rain stopped :) 05:40 cait walking to work in this rain will be no fun :( 05:40 munin cait: The current temperature in Taegerwilen, Taegerwilen, Germany is 15.1�C (7:44 AM CEST on July 29, 2010). Conditions: Rain. Humidity: 96%. Dew Point: 14.0�C. Pressure: 29.89 in 1012.1 hPa (Steady). 05:40 cait @wunder Konstanz 05:23 cait hi #koha 03:16 Amit heya chris 00:33 larsw robin, yay