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23:56 SelfishMa We have 508 and 586 records that are not searchable in koha but need to make that happen if possible. Anyone know what setting to change?
23:56 SelfishMa With my lack of knowledge and extensive hate for all things MARC I'm at a loss for an answer for this question but I'm hoping someone here can help
23:50 jo Chris: I am about to enter the budgets for the 2010/2011 year into acquisitions. Do I enter 1 budget ie $200k, and then a bunch of different funds (Large print, Junior picturebooks etc) which together add up to $200k?
23:46 jo hiya all'
23:26 joetho used to be more exciting than THE WEATHER
23:25 joetho roulette
23:25 joetho whoa
23:25 munin joetho: The current temperature in Jenkins Hill area, Coudersport, Pennsylvania is 21.6ï¿½C (7:20 PM EDT on July 12, 2010). Conditions: Mostly Cloudy. Humidity: 81%. Dew Point: 18.0ï¿½C. Pressure: 29.79 in 1008.7 hPa (Falling).
23:25 joetho @wunder roulette
22:45 * chris_n` wonders if thunderstorms hold the clue to cloning
22:41 munin chris_n: The current temperature in Dunn, North Carolina is 26.8ï¿½C (6:41 PM EDT on July 12, 2010). Conditions: Rain. Humidity: 76%. Dew Point: 22.0ï¿½C. Pressure: 29.47 in 997.9 hPa (Falling). Severe Thunderstorm Watch 458 in effect until 9 PM EDT this evening...
22:41 chris_n @wunder 28334
21:29 chris heh, just spotted a bug in my git_committer_email env variable, fixed
21:18 chris patch sent
21:11 sekjal apologies all
21:11 gmcharlt figured as much
21:11 sekjal the dreaded wrong window
21:11 brendan hi gmcharlt - think that was for me :)
21:07 gmcharlt sekjal: ?
21:07 sekjal Paine snapshot is done, btw
21:06 munin 04Bug http://bugs.koha-community.org/bugzilla3/show_bug.cgi?id=4310 blocker, P5, ---, henridamien, NEW, No Migration for budgets from 3.0 to 3.2
21:06 chris bug 4310
21:04 * chris tests the commits, ill squash them and signoff and send them up, works a treat
21:03 gmcharlt chris_n: no blockers stay off my list permanently ;)
21:02 munin 04Bug http://bugs.koha-community.org/bugzilla3/show_bug.cgi?id=3756 blocker, P5, ---, cnighswonger, NEW, new sys prefs - no way to add a new local use preference
21:02 * chris_n takes bug 3756 off of gmcharlt 's list
20:59 gmcharlt no patch removing dontmerge appears to have been submitted for HEAD
20:59 hdl can do.
20:58 jcamins hdl: I see, so that one script does two separate things?
20:57 nengard got to log out now - email me if i need to change the manual
20:56 nengard or if it was - it's not in HEAD cause mine still says dontmerge
20:56 nengard hdl that patch wasn't pushed to 3.2 - the one replacing the system preference
20:56 hdl And it can also process all the authorities which Heading changed to copy that heading change into biblios
20:56 munin New commit(s) kohagit: Bugfix 3419: fixes typo in inequality. <http://git.koha-community.org/gitweb/?p=koha.git;a=commitdiff;h=f74e86ca308d841741a54c422f1159ebe41f0100>
20:55 hdl merge_authorities can merge 2 different authorities (in fact replace the from with the to authority, it is not really a true MERGE since the from authority is replaced)
20:55 jcamins Hm. I think maybe that was since 3.2-alpha1.
20:53 hdl jcamins: and MergeAuthoritiesOnUpdate deplaced dontmerge system preference since dontmerge was negative.
20:53 hdl jcamins: there are two modes of processing authorities
20:52 jcamins I can't find any merge_authorities.pl script at all, but there's still a dontmerge syspref.
20:51 jcamins I don't think it's a typo, because merge_authority.pl doesn't seem to have anything to do with dontmerge.
20:50 nengard or is it a typo on my part?
20:50 nengard oh that's not a manual question :) i didn't know there was a new file - if there is a new file maybe i'm supposed to update the documentation ... what does the perl doc for each say?
20:50 jcamins Oops. There was supposed to be a question mark tere.
20:50 jcamins Does the second replace the first, and, if so, how?
20:49 jcamins What is the relationship between merge_authorities.pl (described in the manual) and merge_authority.pl.
20:48 nengard what was the question for me??
20:47 jcamins But merge_authority.pl seems to take two authorities, and merge them into one.
20:47 jcamins If you go down to L.1.5.2, it says merge_authorities.pl is related to the dontmerge syspref.
20:46 jcamins http://koha-community.org/documentation/3-2-manual/?ch=a11146
20:46 jcamins That's what I would've thought, but they seem to be about totally different things.
20:46 hdl should be about the same thing.
20:45 hdl jcamins: ?
20:40 jcamins Specifically, what is its relationship to the merge_authority.pl script that's actually in 3.2?
20:37 jcamins Does anyone know anything about the merge_authorities.pl script described in the manual?
20:30 hdl But I agree with you about "most important thing is ensuring that the address is determined in exactly one spot in the code"
20:25 hdl and if process_message_queue is done once an hour, the argument about the "accurate" address is questionable.
20:25 cait good night all
20:23 hdl well if it was only done in EnqueueLetter, this would be quite interesting since you would keep the adress you send the notice to in the database. And would be able to produce that to user in case of argument.
20:21 gmcharlt but most important thing is ensuring that the address is determined in exactly one spot in the code
20:21 gmcharlt hdl: well, there's a mild argument for waiting until the queue is processed to determine the address, to guarantee that the most current address is used
20:20 hdl gmcharlt: Do you know why to_adress is not calculated at once when letter is enqueued ? Why do we have to wait to process letter in order to know who/which adress/which phone number we are sending the letter to ?
20:19 chris_n hehe
20:17 owen Pragmatically speaking, very efficient :)
20:15 chris_n and does the pragmatic thing
20:15 * chris_n shrugs off his screaming 'efficiency oriented" conscience ;-)
20:14 cait chris_n++
20:13 chris Yay chris_n
20:08 cait :)
20:08 gmcharlt chris_n++ # heh; yep, that should do it for the moment
20:08 chris The interest will slay you
20:08 chris The trick is stay out of debt
20:07 chris I had some stored karma too :)
20:06 chris_n it seems the exchange rate varies somewhat, though
20:06 * chris_n recognizes that currency ;-)
20:05 chris It only cost some vacuuming, laundry, dishes and lunch making :)
20:02 larsw chris, excellent!
20:02 * chris_n suggests looking in the wood pile for lost branches
20:02 chris larsw: got the ok for tonight so ill be there
20:00 owen I must have lost a branch somewhere along the way because I swear I've worked on this before...
20:00 chris Will look at work
20:00 munin chris: The current temperature in Wellington, New Zealand is 6.0ï¿½C (7:00 AM NZST on July 13, 2010). Conditions: Partly Cloudy. Humidity: 81%. Dew Point: 3.0ï¿½C. Windchill: 2.0ï¿½C. Pressure: 30.21 in 1023 hPa (Steady).
20:00 chris @wunder wellington nz
19:59 chris_n if someone could abuse it a bit I'd be appreciative
19:59 chris_n ok, here's a quick and dirty fix for the local-use editor problem: http://git.koha-community.org/gitweb/?p=wip/koha-fbc.git;a=commit;h=5b23a615018e049b1e11dbc10b131ecb30dfc6ab
19:58 cait light rain showers :)
19:58 munin cait: The current temperature in Taegerwilen, Taegerwilen, Germany is 17.4ï¿½C (9:58 PM CEST on July 12, 2010). Conditions: Light Rain Showers. Humidity: 93%. Dew Point: 16.0ï¿½C. Pressure: 30.01 in 1016.1 hPa (Falling).
19:58 cait @wunder Konstanz
19:57 munin brendan: The current temperature in Northwest Goleta, Goleta, California is 19.6ï¿½C (12:57 PM PDT on July 12, 2010). Conditions: Mostly Cloudy. Humidity: 72%. Dew Point: 14.0ï¿½C. Pressure: 29.98 in 1015.1 hPa (Steady).
19:57 brendan @wunder 93117
19:57 chris_n heya chris
19:55 chris The windchill I love not so much
19:52 chris Yup
19:51 nengard gotta love smart phones :)
19:49 chris Hi from the bus
19:48 nengard howdy chris
19:40 * chris goes to catch his bus
19:39 chris personally i think it is essential to help avoid vendor lockin
19:38 chris http://git.koha-community.org/gitweb/?p=koha.git;a=commitdiff;h=e595c2602181a84719d621e21f3713c09ef52b7d
19:38 chris a cron job creates them nightly
19:38 chris and it does just that, downloads a dump, not creates one
19:38 chris and only superlibrarians can do it
19:35 chris wizzyrea: the download a dump feature is in wip branch
19:26 cait morning chris
19:24 jwagner morning, chris
19:24 brendan morning
19:23 chris morning
19:00 jwagner Looks like it lets you upload an image file -- could be very useful. Thanks. I'll try it out next time I have one of those.
18:59 owen Maybe this? http://www.colr.org/ I don't know how precise it is.
18:58 jwagner Somewhat related question -- is there any tool online that can look at an image file & say what the color is? If someone's trying to match, say, the masthead to an existing image?
18:58 owen jwagner: The use I see for it is to put in the URL of an existing file (or upload one) so that you can see the palette of existing colors. That gives you the opportunity to pick an existing color before adding a new one to the CSS
18:58 wizzyrea or point it to the website
18:57 jwagner owen, looks interesting. You just paste in a snippet of css? You don't have to paste the whole file?
18:55 wizzyrea oh that is neat
18:55 owen Handy tool to use before you add color to the CSS: http://www.hextractor.com/
18:52 hdl wizzyrea: thanks then
18:52 * druthb hides behind wizzyrea.
18:51 druthb eep!
18:51 jwagner druthb: Harrumph!
18:50 wizzyrea which I'm sure I have had not appreciated publicly, but am very appreciative for
18:50 wizzyrea ;)
18:50 wizzyrea no, it's for all of your hard work on the 3.0.x releases
18:50 druthb ooo...better watch it, jwagner; I'm-a gunnin' for ya
18:49 jwagner gmcharlt is going to have to pull his karma-merge trick for hdl and pianohacker
18:49 munin druthb: Karma for "jwagner" has been increased 37 times and decreased 0 times for a total karma of 37.
18:49 druthb @karma jwagner
18:49 hdl wizzyrea: no ++ for free
18:49 munin druthb: Karma for "druthb" has been increased 36 times and decreased 0 times for a total karma of 36.
18:49 druthb @karma druthb
18:49 wizzyrea hdl_laptop++
18:49 wizzyrea hdl++
18:49 munin hdl: Karma for "hdl_laptop" has been increased 59 times and decreased 0 times for a total karma of 59.
18:49 wizzyrea oh that's just not right
18:49 hdl @karma hdl_laptop
18:49 hdl hi gmcharlt
18:49 munin hdl: Karma for "hdl" has been increased 11 times and decreased 0 times for a total karma of 11.
18:49 gmcharlt hi hdl
18:49 hdl @karma hdl
18:48 munin hdl: Highest karma: "gmcharlt" (156), "chris" (151), and "owen" (123). Lowest karma: "<!" (-59), "failed" (-40), and "-" (-26). You (hdl) are ranked 29 out of 911.
18:48 hdl @karma
17:54 cait pianohacker++
17:54 munin cait: Karma for "pianohacker" has been increased 29 times and decreased 0 times for a total karma of 29.
17:54 cait @karma pianohacker
17:54 munin cait: Karma for "pianohack" has been increased 2 times and decreased 0 times for a total karma of 2.
17:54 cait @karma pianohack
17:50 joetho checking my notes for that... two other items renewed correctly, but they were from the patron's home library. I missed that!
17:49 joetho but ...
17:47 joetho thanks Jane!
17:47 joetho I read it on the log for this channel
17:46 jwagner joetho, you just missed the discussion :-) Am responding now on the ticket.
17:46 joetho but I guess I wasn't looking for the right keywords
17:46 joetho I looked in bugzilla but didn't find it
17:45 joetho jwagnor = I just checked the log for today and see you are working on my bug?
17:43 cait outlook--
17:42 wizzyrea assuming that works, that one should be closed.
17:41 wizzyrea oh, a patch even for head. Neat!
17:41 jwagner Yep, just found that one. Thanks.
17:41 munin 04Bug 3378: major, PATCH-Sent, ---, gmcharlt, NEW, Renewal policy should match pickup library's policies
17:41 wizzyrea http://bugs.koha-community.org/bugzilla3/show_bug.cgi?id=3378
17:41 wizzyrea I believe it's one of our pets
17:40 wizzyrea there's a bug in bugzilla for it
17:40 wizzyrea no
17:40 wizzyrea yep, that's one we know of
17:40 jwagner Should it work that way?
17:40 jwagner Aha! figured out the problem -- different circ rules between branches. Seems like the circ rule for the patron applied to the original checkout, but the circ rule for the library owning the item (different from patron) applied to the renewal. Much puzzlement.
17:39 cait yep, biblibre has a renewals period in smart rules
17:37 wizzyrea sorry, I'll be quiet now
17:37 wizzyrea i'm probably remembering the discussion that "we want to do this" "well we can't"
17:36 wizzyrea no, I stand corrected, there isn't a place to set that
17:36 jwagner We have some development along those lines too, but not on this particular system.
17:36 cait jwagner: I dont think its possible in current koha, but I saw a development lik that on biblibres git I think
17:35 jwagner I'm not seeing any place to specify a time period for a renewal.
17:35 cait jwagner: im even worse, I think renewal should only be allowed x days before the item is due... but this does not work with koha now
17:35 wizzyrea well I'll have to look, gimme a min (gosh, I hope I'm not saying something crazy wrong here...)
17:35 cait wizzyrea: how do they do it with koha?
17:34 jwagner What are the exceptions?
17:34 wizzyrea some of our libs have 2 week checkout, 1 week renewals
17:34 jwagner I knew that was coming, sigh....
17:34 wizzyrea not necessarily
17:34 jwagner Circ question -- a renewal should have the same time period as the original checkout, yes? If the checkout was two weeks, the renewal should also be two weeks?
17:33 wizzyrea hehe yes, something like that. I can fathom several ways around that, but it all involves more hardware
17:32 jwagner As opposed to "do this right now and bring my server to a screaming halt?"
17:32 wizzyrea well when I think of such a thing, I think of it more like "scheduule this to be done"
17:31 jwagner wizzyrea, I'd personally remind them that it's a Bad Idea....
17:31 druthb wizzyrea: while I can see the usefulness of being able to snap off a backup whenever you like....*shudder*
17:31 wizzyrea because I was going to remind them that it needs to be extra secure :P
17:31 druthb :-O
17:30 druthb nope. A certain paranoia is a useful job skill, but there is such a thing as Way Too Much. Blocking *outbound* connections from a server that almost no-one has a login to, approaches that very closely.
17:30 wizzyrea was someone working on a web interface "download this whole DB" function?
17:29 wizzyrea speaking of paranoia
17:29 collum Are you talking about me druthb? :)
17:27 * druthb grumps a little, about paranoid network administrators.
16:42 owen Hmmm... the calendar tables have a slot for "title," the template outputs "title," but the interface won't let you add or edit a title along with the other details
16:05 druthb That's why I said a "few". Deliberately vague.
16:03 * jwagner thinks druthb is overly optimistic, there.
16:02 * druthb enjoyed giving jwagner the chops to do her own dataloads. now that she's learned how, a few more practice go-rounds, she'll be ready to take it over without help.
15:59 jwagner Ya know, now I know why I wanted to get into project management. It's so I can harass OTHERS instead of doing the work myself :-)
15:58 jwagner druthb++ # both for helping & for not yelling at me :-)
15:58 jwagner Speaking of which...
15:58 jwagner I don't speak MySQL! Fortunately, I can harass druthb, at least....
15:58 * hdl sympathizes
15:57 jwagner Yep. And doing the dataload myself instead of harassing others :-(
15:57 hdl jwagner: are you on a golive day ?
15:57 druthb welcome back, cait. :)
15:57 wizzyrea you missed joke time in #koha
15:56 cait ice cream, cold shower, cool apartment *sighs happily*
15:55 wizzyrea hey cait
15:54 cait hi again all
15:52 wizzyrea I think my work here is done. We've got her singing, I think that's improvement. :)
15:51 * jwagner starts singing tunes from How To Succeed in Business Without Really Trying
15:47 wizzyrea business.
15:47 wizzyrea ok sorry
15:47 * druthb groans..
15:47 wizzyrea You check it out.
15:47 wizzyrea How do you get a book to like you?
15:46 wizzyrea but I made you laugh!
15:46 wizzyrea lol, I highly doubt it
15:46 nengard NO WAY!! :) hehe
15:46 wizzyrea Will E. Makit and Betty Wont !
15:46 wizzyrea Here's another interesting book title: "Race To The Outhouse" by these authors:
15:45 wizzyrea ooh yea
15:45 druthb keep trying though; your jokes are cleaner than mine.
15:45 jwagner Sorry, go-live days are always a little grumpy-producing....
15:44 wizzyrea ok fine. :/
15:44 wizzyrea aw
15:44 * jwagner applauds wizzyrea's efforts, but isn't sure they're working....
15:43 * wizzyrea channels Galadriel, in a funny way
15:43 wizzyrea I am bringing cheer to the grumpy mondays of #koha!
15:43 wizzyrea everybody was grumpy
15:43 wizzyrea lol no
15:43 nengard hehe - are you at home with your little one??
15:42 wizzyrea Yankee doodle!
15:42 wizzyrea What do you call an American drawing?
15:16 nengard LOL
15:16 munin jwagner: Error: "needs" is not a valid command.
15:16 jwagner munin needs a sense of humor, too....
15:15 munin wizzyrea: Error: "needs" is not a valid command.
15:15 wizzyrea munin needs jokes
15:15 wizzyrea An exhausted kangaroo!
15:15 wizzyrea What is "out of bounds"?
15:15 druthb heheh
15:15 wizzyrea I cannot reveal my secrets.
15:14 druthb woah... wizzyrea, where on *earth* did you find that?
15:14 wizzyrea In a croakroom!
15:14 wizzyrea Where do tadpoles change?
15:12 nengard yeah - that happens :(
15:12 sekjal thanks, nengard. I think part of the stress is coming off a nice weekend into fairly urgent stuff, first thing
15:12 * owen wonders where he put that unapi test he put together
15:12 * magnus heads back to the woods
15:11 nengard and you can have my help if you can use it :)
15:11 nengard :( sekjal you can have the chocolate that kf gave me
15:11 nengard :)
15:11 nengard but first to change back into comfy clothes versus my presentation outfit
15:11 nengard now back to the manual
15:11 nengard okay talk rescheduled
15:08 jcamins Ah.
15:08 owen jcamins: You can use unAPI to grab XML data from the catalog for use by other web applications, but in my tests I always used the distinct unapi url I think (rather than opac-detail)
15:07 jcamins (I mean, we had it disabled for months, and never encountered any problems with that)
15:06 jcamins owen, collum: I don't know anything unAPI, but I can tell you that removing it made Zotero play nice with our catalog. I'm not sure what else uses unAPI.
15:06 owen Yeah me neither
15:04 collum owen: NP. I don't know enought about unAPI and COINS to know if unAPI can just be removed from the page.
15:01 nengard druthb that would have been horrible, but this is a 2 hour train ride away
14:53 munin 04Bug http://bugs.koha-community.org/bugzilla3/show_bug.cgi?id=4901 minor, P5, ---, gmcharlt, NEW, Title & Subtitle w/out space in Zotero
14:53 owen collum: Thanks for taking a look at Bug 4901
14:52 * jwagner sends chocolate to sekjal too -- join the club!
14:51 * sekjal is getting grumpier and grumpier as the morning wears on
14:50 druthb hey, at least it was something local-ish. Imagine if you'd fumbled a date for something in LA.
14:46 nengard who can't keep track of dates
14:46 nengard thank goodness for google & gmail & email searching or i would have thought i was a bad bad presenter
14:45 wizzyrea Hey there chums
14:45 wizzyrea it's backed up on disk somewhere
14:45 druthb hi, wizzyrea!
14:45 jwagner You didn't lose it, you just misplaced it :-)
14:45 wizzyrea :)
14:45 wizzyrea you're not losing your mind
14:45 nengard doesn't change the fact that students are sitting there waiting for a teacher .. but makes me feel like i'm not losing my mind
14:44 nengard WHEW!!!
14:44 nengard HA!!! not my fault!!! found an email where i was told the date was changed
14:33 kf I think leaving early is a great plan for this monday - bye all, bbl :)
14:32 nengard aww shucks ;) thanks
14:31 * kf shares some of her chocolate with nengard
14:31 kf forget what I asked... I m blind
14:31 nengard i feel so so so bad
14:31 nengard anyway, i'm dressed and ready to leave the house for presenting if they call and say to come anyway
14:31 nengard i'm ripe for a year long holiday - but i'd never take it - too much of a workaholic
14:30 magnus nengard: and ripe for a bit of a summer holiday? ;-)
14:28 nengard oh crap!! i just got a call - i was supposed to be teaching a workshop this morning - but i had it on the calendar for next monday!!!! waiting to hear back to se eif they want me to do it this afternoon instead - this is a sign that i'm overbooked!!!!!!
14:25 kf I checked independent branches and singlebrnachmode
14:25 kf I cant even select a branch on login
14:21 kf any ideas?
14:19 kf jwagner = thx jwagner
14:19 kf altough I have 3 libraries in my system
14:19 kf it gets even better: cant change my library, because all pull downs have only one entry
14:19 kf jwagner
14:19 * mle passes out chocolate truffles
14:17 * jwagner sends chocolate to kf
14:17 * kf gets even grumpier
14:16 kf why?
14:16 kf why are my budgets and funds not showing up on acq start page?
14:13 druthb jwagner: now, if we could deal with the noisy neighbor in between our offices...
14:12 jwagner How about we all declare this to be not-Monday? Maybe that would help the general grumpiness level. Or maybe it wouldn't.
14:11 * kf is grumpy because its too warm to think about or concentrate on anything
14:08 jwagner No, I know what that was due to -- almost joined you :-)
14:07 druthb naah...you're not making me grumpy, jwagner. the door-slamming noise a moment ago was, in fact, me, but not because of you.
14:06 * jwagner is unfortunately doing my best to also make druthb grumpy -- sorry about that :-(
14:05 mle good call
14:04 * jwagner would take chocolate instead :-)
14:04 mle no no not the jokes
14:04 wizzyrea )
14:04 wizzyrea _
14:04 wizzyrea (and I'm doing ok, I think_
14:03 wizzyrea wowie, ok. Am I going to have to tell jokes to cheer everyone up?
14:03 mle : D
14:03 * mle is also quite grumpy but really trying hard to stay optimistic
14:03 * jwagner is grumpy, dunno about anyone else :-(
14:03 sekjal wizzyrea: not too bad. you?
14:02 wizzyrea how is everyone today
14:01 wizzyrea heya
14:01 wizzyrea ER
14:00 wizzyrea hwy
14:00 kf hi wizzyrea
13:59 kf ie and new acq dont like each other
13:58 kf I normally search for fines and get a lot of save buttons :)
13:58 kf yep
13:57 nengard maxfine is under patrons too ... but seems to be a circ pref
13:55 kf hm might be confusing, better one in a different structure
13:54 nengard guess that's the next system pref rewrite :) a way to have one pref in multiple places :)
13:54 nengard yeah i know ...
13:54 kf OpacFineNoRenewals is under OPAC, but I think circulation > fines would be nice too
13:54 kf hm I think there are a lot of sys prefs you can argue about
13:53 kf I think checkout policy is not quite right
13:53 nengard of messages?
13:52 kf a new group in in circulation would be nice
13:52 nengard patrons
13:51 kf where is it now? but sounds logical
13:51 nengard i think that the enhancedmessaging preference should be in circulation along with the other notices/msgs - anyone disagree?
13:49 nengard thank you
13:48 druthb correct, nengard.
13:48 nengard next question - there is a cron for print hold notices, but not for print overdues? is that part of the main overdue cron?
13:48 kf I think we run it hourly, because of holds messages
13:48 nengard yup
13:48 kf nengard: I think the message_queue job only sends out the mails marked as pending
13:41 Fred One question (as usual ) when i do a search on opac and when i got this message '::84: parser error : PCDATA invalid Char value 2' with the subfield, it means i need to clean up my records no?
13:41 nengard thank you!
13:40 nengard i get it - i use the other crons to decide when to put the messages in the queue - so that i do once a day but i send messages found in the queue every hour and it won't send overdues and advanced notice unless i had that set to put them in the queue
13:40 druthb It looks in message_queue, and processes whatever is *there*, and that's all.
13:40 nengard :)
13:40 nengard oh!! it has all just clicked!!!
13:40 druthb process_message_queue can run every hour if you like.
13:40 nengard oh?!
13:39 druthb Those go in the message queue, and are put there when you trigger the hold, not by a cron.
13:39 nengard which means they can only be sent once a day if i set it to send out the advanced notice and the overdues once a day
13:39 nengard they're in the message queue
13:39 nengard k - hold messages then
13:39 druthb Exactly.
13:39 nengard according to the manual (which may be wrong) i wrote that misc/cronjobs/overdue_notices.pl and misc/cronjobs/advance_notices.pl put things in the message queue and then misc/cronjobs/process_message_queue.pl sends the messages
13:38 druthb no, they're all *sent out* by one cron. They're controlled by other things. you want process_message_queue to run more frequently, as check in and checkout notices aren't done by a cron at all, as I see it.
13:37 Fred Hello
13:37 nengard but they all are controlled by one cron
13:36 nengard in the messages you can get - check in, check out, and holds notices need to be sent out frequently - but due notice, overdues, and advanced notice don't need to be sent more than once a day
13:36 nengard k - so i have a problem then
13:33 nengard ahhhh!! thank you for the clarification - updating the manual
13:33 druthb nengard, as I understand it, advance_notices and overdue_notices merely create notices, and put them in the message_queue. process_message_queue actually sends them out.
13:32 nengard got a cron job question - there is the message queue cron and then there is one for advance notice ... aren't advanced notices part of the message queue?
13:30 kf And saved my fund by deactivating javascript.
13:30 kf I updated the bug to major.
13:24 kf or you just make a mistake at a higher fund level, start ordering and cant correct it
13:24 kf or you want to add one more person to be allowed to use that fund
13:24 kf but I think it prevents working with acq
13:24 kf no
13:23 gmcharlt you may, although technically not a data loss bug
13:23 kf Our libraries often get additional funds at the end of the year, so they need to change the funds
13:22 kf gmcharlt: can I argue for a critical?
13:22 owen But I'm not sure all the blockers match that list either
13:21 jcamins_a Good morning, #koha
13:21 owen That does better match the official severity descriptions: http://bugs.koha-community.org/bugzilla3/page.cgi?id=fields.html#bug_severity
13:21 gmcharlt kf: I'd call it a major
13:21 kf gmcharlt: around?
13:20 owen Hey, gmcharlt can always swat it down if he disagrees
13:20 kf am I brave enough to make it a blocker?
13:17 owen I agree that it is more severe than "normal"
13:16 kf ?
13:16 kf or change expenditure to a higher value
13:16 kf I think of libraries getting more money at the end of the year, so they will want to change the amount
13:15 kf normal?
13:14 munin 04Bug http://bugs.koha-community.org/bugzilla3/show_bug.cgi?id=4438 normal, P5, ---, henridamien, ASSIGNED, incorrect "Budget total exceeds period allocation" error when editing fund
13:14 owen Bug 4438
13:14 kf you cant change your amount
13:14 kf so it should be a blocker
13:13 kf oh
13:13 owen I'm not sure why it's not a blocker, since it prevents you from editing funds
13:13 owen that is a known bug
13:13 kf I entered 100 in expenditure and saved, now when I edit the fund it says 100.00000 and I get an error message 'Budget total exceeds period allocation'
13:12 kf can someone explain to me how encumbrance and expenditure work?
13:07 nengard nope
13:07 owen nengard: Have you searched zotero's forums for the same problem?
13:06 nengard like i said it's not a huge deal - I've seen it on other sites too
13:06 nengard Mac OS X, Firefox 3.6.6, Zotero 2.0.3 -- error :)
13:06 owen If I can remember I'll try to test it when I'm on my Mac at home.
13:05 owen Hmmm... Windows 7, Firefox 3.6.6, Zotero 2.0.3. No errors.
13:05 nengard yes - the errors appear on the right instead of the list of titles, but the titles are added to zotero too
13:04 nengard oh owen - sorry
13:04 nengard no the errors pop up and the titles are added
13:04 hdl hi nengard..... and all koha world
13:04 owen nengard: The error pops up instead of the list of titles added?
13:03 nengard maybe it's something with my install though ....
13:03 nengard yes, it is still an issue for me ... this on HEAD with most recent FF and most recent Zotero
13:03 nengard retesting
13:02 munin 04Bug http://bugs.koha-community.org/bugzilla3/show_bug.cgi?id=4018 blocker, PATCH-Sent, ---, gmcharlt, RESOLVED FIXED, Coins support problems and xslt
13:02 owen nengard: I just saw your latest comment on Bug 4018, but I can't reproduce the error. Is that still an issue for you?
12:53 owen Hi from me too
12:53 magnus g'day #koha
12:52 munin kf: The current temperature in Bodensee, Ramsen, Germany is 31.9ï¿½C (2:01 PM CEST on July 12, 2010). Conditions: Partly Cloudy. Humidity: 43%. Dew Point: 18.0ï¿½C. Pressure: 29.82 in 1009.7 hPa (Steady).
12:52 kf @wunder singen germany
12:39 nengard morning kf
12:39 kf hi nengard
12:18 nengard howdy
12:17 druthb hi, nengard!
12:12 nengard woke up and went right to writing the manual and forgot to log in and say hi to everyone! good morning all
12:02 jwagner morning, gmcharlt
12:02 gmcharlt good morning
11:34 jwagner Morning, kf
11:34 munin kf: The current temperature in Taegerwilen, Taegerwilen, Germany is 28.9ï¿½C (1:34 PM CEST on July 12, 2010). Conditions: Partly Cloudy. Humidity: 58%. Dew Point: 20.0ï¿½C. Pressure: 29.91 in 1012.8 hPa (Steady).
11:34 kf @wunder konstanz
11:34 munin kf: Error: No such location could be found.
11:34 kf @wunder wollmatingen germany
11:34 kf hi jwagner
11:18 wasabi http://linux.slashdot.org/story/10/07/11/2314254/Claimed-Proof-That-UNIX-Code-Was-Copied-Into-Linux
11:18 wasabi this is worth a giggle...
11:17 kf 5 degrees sounds like heaven
11:16 * druthb hands chris an extra blanket or two.
11:15 druthb brr!
11:15 munin chris: The current temperature in Wellington, New Zealand is 5.0ï¿½C (11:00 PM NZST on July 12, 2010). Conditions: Clear. Humidity: 81%. Dew Point: 2.0ï¿½C. Windchill: 2.0ï¿½C. Pressure: 30.27 in 1025 hPa (Steady).
11:15 chris @wunder wellington, nz
11:13 druthb Much cooler here this morning.
11:13 munin druthb: The current temperature in Langley Fork Park, McLean, Virginia is 18.9ï¿½C (7:13 AM EDT on July 12, 2010). Conditions: Clear. Humidity: 94%. Dew Point: 18.0ï¿½C. Pressure: 29.89 in 1012.1 hPa (Steady).
11:13 druthb @wunder 20817
11:12 kf really feels like 40
11:12 kf Ropuch: you are right
11:11 Ropuch 32 degrees, feels like 40 ;/
11:11 munin Ropuch: The current temperature in Wroclaw, Poland is 32.0ï¿½C (1:00 PM CEST on July 12, 2010). Conditions: Clear. Humidity: 36%. Dew Point: 15.0ï¿½C. Pressure: 30.01 in 1016 hPa (Falling).
11:11 Ropuch @wunder Wroclaw
11:07 kf hi druthb :)
11:06 chris hi druthb
11:06 druthb howdy, #koha.
10:47 munin kf: The current temperature in Bodensee, Ramsen, Germany is 30.3ï¿½C (12:01 PM CEST on July 12, 2010). Conditions: Clear. Humidity: 49%. Dew Point: 18.0ï¿½C. Pressure: 29.86 in 1011.1 hPa (Steady).
10:47 kf @Wunder singen germany
10:47 munin kf: Error: No such location could be found.
10:47 kf @wunder Wollmatingen, Germany
10:46 kf hmpf.
10:46 munin kf: The current temperature in Taegerwilen, Taegerwilen, Germany is 27.6ï¿½C (12:46 PM CEST on July 12, 2010). Conditions: Clear. Humidity: 66%. Dew Point: 21.0ï¿½C. Pressure: 29.93 in 1013.4 hPa (Steady).
10:46 kf @wunder Konstanz
10:43 munin imp: The current temperature in Hannover, Germany is 32.0ï¿½C (12:00 PM CEST on July 12, 2010). Conditions: Scattered Clouds. Humidity: 30%. Dew Point: 17.0ï¿½C. Pressure: 29.91 in 1013 hPa (Falling).
10:43 imp @wunder hannover germany
10:38 munin braedon|h: The current temperature in Auckland, New Zealand is 8.0ï¿½C (10:00 PM NZST on July 12, 2010). Conditions: Partly Cloudy. Humidity: 87%. Dew Point: 6.0ï¿½C. Windchill: 8.0ï¿½C. Pressure: 30.24 in 1024 hPa (Steady).
10:38 braedon|h @wunder auckland
10:37 kf check your sources munin, its defnitely over 27 degrees
10:36 munin kf: The current temperature in Taegerwilen, Taegerwilen, Germany is 27.3ï¿½C (12:36 PM CEST on July 12, 2010). Conditions: Clear. Humidity: 64%. Dew Point: 20.0ï¿½C. Pressure: 29.93 in 1013.4 hPa (Steady).
10:36 kf @wunder Konstanz
10:36 kf back
10:06 kf lunch bbl
09:33 Steven thx for all the helps
09:33 Steven ok...gtg....
09:23 chris and yes, you can run Koha under vmware
09:23 Steven okok
09:22 chris i would recommend you talk to some of the others in malaysia who are running koha under linux, most of us here have very little interest in proprietary software
09:19 Steven nope....i m new to koha community
09:16 chris do you know Amzari Abu Bakar?
09:14 Steven icic....we got few libraries here using Koha.....less than 10
09:12 chris one of the speakers at kohacon10 is talking about it
09:12 chris and they are running under linux
09:12 Steven then is it possible to run koha 3.0.6 in VMware under windows platform?
09:12 chris there is quite a big koha community in malaysia
09:11 imp ah, that's sad
09:10 Steven here...most of IT specialist only familiar with windows server platform....
09:10 Steven Malaysia
09:09 imp where are you from?
09:08 Steven in my country....really hard to find linux engineer....so it is quite hard to see library is using linux platform server
09:07 chris yeah, not going to get much traction on that one :)
09:06 imp erm :D
09:05 Steven if koha can really develop for windows platform...i m sure more library will be benefited.....bcoz nowadays....most of the server is using windows os
09:04 Steven feel so helpless.....
09:01 hdl I have seen no helpful hint here either
09:00 hdl http://www.koha.rwjr.com/Koha_on_Windows.html
09:00 hdl sorry
09:00 hdl so cannot help.
09:00 hdl I never installed Koha on windows
08:52 Steven how to run command line script under windows platform
08:52 Steven it didnt mention clearly....
08:49 hdl http://www.kohadocs.org/command_line_scripts.html
08:49 hdl It has to be run as such.
08:47 Steven obviously, not like sudo fines2.pl.....
08:47 Steven how to run it under command prompt then?
08:45 hdl Steven: fines2.pl is a command-line script.
08:38 Steven i just launch by double clicking it....seem like nothing happen
08:34 hdl Steven: have you tried to launch fines2.pl ?
08:34 Steven anybody can give some alternative how to make koha 2.2.9 overdue fines workable
08:20 Steven fines2.pl is workable in 2.2.9? really???
08:20 kmkale how does it affect item type + location search in staff advance search? I dont get it..
08:19 kmkale hi chris HomeOrHoldingBranch is set to "The library the item was checked out from"
08:18 hdl I never had to generate fines in 2.2.9 But i hink fines2.pl could do it.
08:16 Steven emm....then no way to generate overdue fine for 2.2.9?
08:15 hdl fines.pl is not fines2.pl
08:15 hdl And about Windows platform, i am afraid I cannot tell you. I think you could use Windows Scheduled tasks to act as a crontab.
08:15 Steven if it cant be run....why the file is existing in the first place?
08:14 Steven there is a file named fines2.pl in the directory of koha 2.2.9
08:14 hdl sorry
08:14 hdl Steven: fines.pl as it stands in 3.0 cannot run in 2.2.9 yes.
08:13 hdl Steven: fines.pl as it stands in 3.0 cannot run in 3.0 yes.
08:12 Steven cant be resolved?
08:09 Steven asking me about the fines.pl....but there is no crontab under windows platform...i m just wondering how to generate it
08:08 Steven bcoz there is a library using koha 2.2.9 windows version in my country
08:07 Steven is it true that fines.pl cant never run under koha 2.2.9?
08:07 hdl Steven: not using it but what is your question about it.
08:06 Steven Anybody still using koha 2.2.9?
08:02 chris hiya kf
07:56 kf hi chris
07:51 chris heh
07:50 robin http://awfullibrarybooks.wordpress.com/ <-- chris, should we want test data for Koha, this is the perfect source of current and useful information!
07:47 chris kmkale: what is your HomeOrHoldingBranch syspref set to?
07:44 Ropuch Hi chrisc
07:43 chrisc yay!
07:31 Ropuch Nice :)
07:29 kf decided last week
07:28 kf yes, I will go
07:26 Ropuch And you? Have you decided yet?
07:26 Ropuch I bet my fiance would tear me apart if I was to spent so much money on NZ-trip ;>
07:25 kf ok
07:25 Ropuch We're thinking about getting some credit and buying a flat
07:24 Ropuch Not likely
07:20 kf ?
07:20 kf are you going to KohaCon
07:19 kf hi Ropuch!
07:18 Ropuch Good morning kf
07:18 kf good morning #koha
06:55 kmkale In staff advanced search when I do a item type + location search it only searches in the permanent location not holding branch. Is there a way to change this behaviour to search in holding branch instead?
06:53 kmkale good morning
06:42 cait time for work, bye all
06:42 cait good morning fredericd
06:08 cait good morning all
03:59 chrisc hi brendan
03:29 Steven i m testing out with the Koha Live CD actually
03:29 Steven wasabi: Thanks
03:17 wasabi Steven: i hope that was of some help to you...
02:51 wasabi http://paste.koha-community.org/27
02:49 wasabi http://packages.debian.org/lenny/backup-manager
02:49 wasabi i use backup-manager
02:49 Steven anyway to use crontab for backup?
02:48 chris :)
02:48 chris_n g'night
02:48 code_mule ok, now that I've churned out a patch its bedtime
02:47 wasabi http://dev.mysql.com/doc/refman/5.1/en/mysqldump.html
02:47 wasabi Steven: you can back up your mysql database using mysqldump
02:45 code_mule its what /me feels like atm :)
02:44 wasabi code_mule: nice handle chris ;)
02:44 Steven chris: u there?
01:59 Steven anybody?
01:43 Steven using crontab too?
01:42 Steven ok....next step now is how to do back up process?
01:42 chris cool
01:41 Steven it works!!!!!!!!!!!!!
01:40 Steven so the fines will be added into the patron acc?
01:38 Steven i will change the system time for it...
01:37 chris until that cronjob runs
01:37 chris it wont
01:37 Steven wait let me try to overdue fine first...to see whether it got auto-generated or not....
01:36 chris hopefully
01:35 Steven then is it mean the 2 env varibales are established?
01:35 chris so leave that line there
01:34 Steven so?
01:34 Steven all i want is to get the overdue fine generated automatically
01:33 Steven yes of course....
01:33 chris if you do, leave it there
01:33 chris don't you want to run the fines?
01:33 Steven then how about the fines? eg. 1 0 * * * /usr/share/koha/bin/cronjobs/fines.pl......?
01:31 chris take the line out then
01:31 Steven not really
01:31 chris are you using zebra?
01:30 Steven so should i delete it....or just leave it there?
01:30 Steven so after the 2 env variable written in the crontab...folllowing is like */10 * * * * KOHA_CONF=/etc/koha/koha-conf.xml /usr/share/koha/bin/migration_tools/rebuild_zebra.pl
01:28 Steven i m still in the editor now.....
01:27 Steven bcoz b4 that i have set the crontab for fines.pl......
01:27 chris what?
01:26 Steven but below it i got the cronjob for koha-conf.xml, rebuild_zebra.pl and fines.pl....how?
01:26 chris then quit the editor
01:25 Steven yaya
01:25 chris its above your other entries in that file right?
01:25 Steven then?
01:23 chris yes
01:23 Steven then i key in it?\
01:23 Steven ok...first i type crontab -e in terminal
01:22 chris one
01:22 chris plus the KOHA_CONF=
01:22 chris yep then that line
01:22 Steven yaya...there is a C4 directory there
01:22 chris did you check?
01:22 chris if that is where your C4 directory is
01:21 Steven so the PERL5LIB=/usr/share/koha/lib.....m i right?
01:20 chris you just put those lines in, like i pasted, but with the right paths, at the top
01:20 Steven how to establish them?
01:19 Steven okok.....pls guide me on how to write in on the crontab
01:19 chris then /usr/share/koha/lib is what you set PERL5LIB to
01:19 chris if so
01:18 chris is there a directory in there called C4 ?
01:18 chris look in /usr/share/koha/lib
01:18 chris no
01:18 Steven the PERL5LIB is it leading to the rebuild_zebra.pl?
01:17 Steven yaya....where i can find my C4_lives path?
01:17 chris you will definitely have to change the first path, but the 2nd might be right
01:17 chris KOHA_CONF=/etc/koha/koha-conf.xml
01:17 chris PERL5LIB=/path/to/where/C4_lives
01:17 chris # First, establish Koha's two important ENV variables.
01:17 chris # ENVIRONMENT:
01:16 larsw ah yeah, cronjob does not run from apache, silly me
01:15 chris you just copy that, and change the paths
01:15 chris if you look at the example, it sets the 2 values
01:15 Steven and i have no idea how to set it up
01:15 Steven bcoz stated in the cronjob.example file....i need to set the 2 env variable first.....
01:12 Steven bcoz i assume this is the reason y fines.pl is running but nothing being charge to the patron in koha system
01:11 larsw they should be set in the apache config: /etc/apache2/sites-available/foo for some value of foo
01:10 Steven larsw,....u have idea on how to set up the 2 env variables....KOHA_CONF and PERL5LIB
01:09 larsw the syslog entry would indicate that cron does run it, so the problem must be something else; I know nothing about how fines.pl works, though, so can't help much there
01:09 Steven so i was wondering....is it bcoz i have not set up the 2 env varibale
01:08 Steven my fines.pl is not working
01:07 larsw what's up?
01:02 Steven anybody there?
00:55 Steven there is a CRON :(root) CMD (...fines.pl...) in the syslog
00:54 Steven robin u went out for lunch?
00:47 Steven wait let me check n see
00:43 * robin has to go to lunch
00:40 robin 'cat /etc/crontab' should give you something...
00:39 Steven i dont have crontab directory......cron.d has nothing about koha
00:38 robin have a look in /etc/crontab and /etc/cron.d to see if there's anything relating to koha in any of them.
00:38 Steven i assume the fines.pl is only working after i set up the 2 env varibales
00:38 Steven can u give me some guide to set up the 2 env variables?
00:37 robin crontab -l won't tell you about the system crontabs, just user ones.
00:37 robin Maybe ask on the mailing list. I think everyone else here must be asleep :)
00:37 Steven there is no crontab being running.....i have check under terminal with crontab -l
00:37 robin But, like I said, I've never used it, and don't have time at the moment to try installing it.
00:36 robin OK. I'm not sure then, it seems strange to me that it's not set up to work by default.
00:35 Steven setting is all done under the koha admin.....finemode is in 'production'.....circulation rules is done too
00:34 robin 'patron categories' is what I mean by that...
00:34 robin Otherwise, I'm not sure. I've never used the live CD, someone who has may have to help you out there. Oh, you do have fines set in the borrower profile in the administration?
00:33 robin that'll let you know that it is being run.
00:33 robin I'd really expect that it's running it for you. Have a look in /var/log/syslog and see if you see a line along the lines of CRON[12345]: (root) CMD ( .... fines.pl ...)
00:31 robin ah. Hmm.
00:30 Steven even the system show the title is overdue....but fines is remain at zero
00:30 Steven i have key in some sample for testing....
00:29 Steven no there is no crontab running.....in the first place
00:28 robin (as in, it should be doing it for you)
00:28 robin it should be ready to go, and you don't need to set the crontabs.
00:28 robin From the look of this: http://sourceforge.net/projects/kohalivecd/files/release-notes/readme.r5.txt/view
00:28 robin ah. I haven't seen how the koha live CD sets things up, looking now.
00:27 Steven so after Ubuntu is installed....i run the Koha Installer Wizard from the firefox browser....and set up koha for installation
00:26 Steven i m using 3.0.6...under Ubuntu server edition...i m using the Koha Live CD at the beginning
00:25 robin And what version are you using?
00:25 robin It's hard to guide you, because I don't have all the information. Start with: how did you install Koha?
00:25 Steven so what i have to do in the very first place....
00:25 Steven just guide me step by step
00:24 Steven i m really noob on it.....not use to ubuntu actually
00:24 robin It tells them where to find the information they need to run, especially where to find the koha configuration, and where to find the koha libraries.
00:23 robin In the crontab file, you set these values, and then the commands like fines.pl will use them.
00:22 robin PERL5LIB should be the directory that Koha is extracted to. It'll probably have a subdirectory called "C4" among other things.
00:21 Steven how to set it?
00:21 Steven i dont get it....pls explain more...
00:21 robin No, you set the environment variables up first, and then they will apply to the commands that are run later.
00:21 Steven so the PERL5LIB is it the path to the rebuild_zebra.pl?
00:20 Steven so i will need to put 2 actions in the crontab? one is the env varible which run first.......then for fines.pl?
00:19 robin It should do, yes.
00:19 robin the 'PERL5LIB' one will need to change also, that will point to the directory that the Koha Perl libraries are in.
00:19 Steven so the fines.pl will only work after i have run the cronjob for these 2 env variables?
00:18 Steven okok....
00:18 robin I'd expect just the same codebase one.
00:17 robin In that case, you'll set: KOHA_CONF=/etc/koha/koha-conf.xml
00:17 Steven which one should i use.....single core base or separate core base
00:16 Steven but there are 2 example in the cronjob.example
00:16 Steven my koha-conf.xml is located at /etc/koha/koha-conf.xml, my rebuild_zebra.pl located at /usr/share/koha/bin/migration_tools/rebuild_zebra.pl
00:16 robin Not the whole thing, but it's just a matter of changing the paths of the values given to those variables.
00:15 Steven let me give u my actually path for both files...can u pls write the crontab for me?
00:14 robin Oh. Just edit those lines in your actual crontab.
00:14 robin you just put those in the crontab file like they are in the example, and they will be set when they are used.
00:14 Steven this 2 files were located in different path.....so i cant use the example given in the cronjob.example
00:13 Steven yaya
00:13 robin You mean the PERL5LIB and KOHA_CONF ones?
00:13 Steven i have to run a cronjob for these 2 variable first?
00:12 Steven especially the kona-conf.xml and build_zebra.pl
00:12 Steven i have read the cronjob.example.......but i have no idea how to set the env variable in the first place
00:11 Steven i cant make the fines.pl works to me
00:11 robin Steven: you haven't said what your problem is.
00:10 Steven it is really appreciate if somebody can give me some guide on it
00:10 Steven i still haven't solve my problem for crontab fines.pl
00:09 Steven anybody there?