Time Nick Message 00:26 custard chris: have some notes on the problem that you helped me with. Would they be useful to put somewhere? 00:29 wasabi custard: try the kc.org wiki... 00:29 wasabi http://wiki.koha-community.org 00:31 mib_ffzoy hi, all! 00:31 mib_ffzoy what do i do if a long call number appears cut off in the OPAC? 00:33 wasabi mib_ffzoy: check that its not cut-off in the DB ;) 00:34 mib_ffzoy i enter it in the item record but then it gets cut off 00:35 wasabi itemcallnumber | varchar(30) 00:35 wasabi 30 chars is the DB limit 00:37 mib_ffzoy all i see i itemcallnumber is: 050ab 00:38 mib_ffzoy have no idea what chars are :( 00:39 wasabi char is a abbreviation of characters 00:39 wasabi so, a 30 character limit.... 00:40 mib_ffzoy oh, ok, :) 00:40 wasabi works ok for me 00:41 mib_ffzoy so what should i do to increase the limit 00:41 wasabi my advice - set up a new koha-stable (3.0.6) and observe it working correctly 00:41 wasabi then compare it to your current busted koha 00:42 wasabi try to work out why your busted koha is busted 00:42 mib_ffzoy it's Koha Express 00:42 mib_ffzoy maybe that's why 00:43 pianohack mib_ffzoy: There's an itemcallnumber systempreference 00:43 wasabi aah, you need to contact your vendor for this problem... 00:43 pianohack and an itemcallnumber database table 00:43 pianohack *database column 00:44 pianohack mib_ffzoy: How long is this call number? Is it longer than 30 characters (letters)? 00:44 wasabi only PTFS/liblime have access to the koha-express codebase?, i think 00:44 mib_ffzoy HD31 .R5647 2007 study guide c.2 00:45 wasabi other koha-express users maybe lurking on irc, and may be able to help you 00:45 pianohack Oh my goodness 00:46 pianohack mib_ffzoy: That is longer than Koha's 30 character limit 00:46 pianohack You can ask your vendor to change it 00:46 pianohack But why are they so long? 00:46 mib_ffzoy i guess i'll have to shorten it 00:46 wasabi 'study guide c.2' should not be in the callnumber? 00:46 mib_ffzoy i''ll just use "guide" 00:47 mib_ffzoy it's not on the bib record but it's on the item record 00:48 wasabi yep 00:48 mib_ffzoy to differentiate from the actual book 00:49 wasabi i'd put additional stuff like 'study guide c.2' , in the enumchron field, rather than callnumber 00:50 mib_ffzoy and where is "enumchron"? 00:50 wasabi but thats poss. incorrect too, but a better solution than yours 00:50 mib_ffzoy i think a better solution is just to enter "guide" which does fit 00:50 pianohack mib_ffzoy: What is the actual physical thing in question 00:51 pianohack There is also a copy number field for entering copy-specific information 00:51 pianohack like c.2 00:51 mib_ffzoy i'll use that, you are right 00:52 pianohack mib_ffzoy: Is this some massive bib that has, say, an actual book and an accompanying study guide? 00:53 wasabi ahh yes, copy-number is a better place than enumchron :) 00:53 pianohack wasabi: also, copy number is visible in the database 00:53 pianohack *interface 00:54 pianohack I don't even know what enumchron shows up as in the interface 00:54 wasabi enum does the same 00:54 pianohack Well, yes, but not as enumchron 00:54 pianohack It has some other weird name 00:55 wasabi 'Publication Details' 00:55 mib_ffzoy there are many examples like this, i assumed whatever fit in the field would actually show up but turns out it's only up to 30 characters... thanks for the help, guys! 00:56 mib_ffzoy enumchron is a system pref? 00:56 wasabi yeah, some of those columns could get increased a bit, disk is cheap etc.. 00:57 wasabi nah, its a column in the items table 00:57 pianohack mib_ffzoy: internal name for another item field 00:57 pianohack also, hi, mason :) 00:57 wasabi http://paste.koha-community.org/10 00:58 chris_n http://www.nytimes.com/2010/06/24/sports/tennis/24wimbledon.html 00:58 mib_ffzoy ah, i saw it 00:58 wasabi enumchron | varchar(80) | YES | | NULL | | 00:58 wasabi oooh, 80 chars :) 00:59 mib_ffzoy boy, i guess i'll have to learn SQL soon 00:59 pianohack mib_ffzoy: Not necessarily 00:59 pianohack Though it is awesome for reports 00:59 custard out of curiosity, how were you planning of fitting all that on the spine label? 01:00 mib_ffzoy it does fit 01:00 mib_ffzoy comfortably on a 2X1" label 01:00 mib_ffzoy .12 font 01:01 mib_ffzoy Courier New 01:02 custard and labels on the back of the book? 01:02 mib_ffzoy just barcodes 01:04 custard sorry, I'll rephrase. These 2x1" spine labels are going on the back of the book? 01:04 mib_ffzoy spine 01:05 custard Just being, most of the books I can see at the moment wouldn't cope with a 2" wide spine label without wrapping it round the sides and making it hard to read. 01:06 mib_ffzoy let me rephrase, I meant 1X2" 01:07 custard ok, I think I can understand you wanting a nice big field for that then. 01:09 mib_ffzoy using the copy number should work just fine, that's about the longest a call number can get 01:11 mib_ffzoy thank you all for your help! 01:15 mib_ffzoy good night 01:27 chris heya wizzyrea_ 01:28 wizzyrea_ hello 01:28 wizzyrea_ how's stuff 01:28 chris stuff.co.nz ? 01:28 chris all good :) 01:29 pianohac1 chris! 01:29 wizzyrea_ har de har 01:29 wizzyrea_ no, stuff and things silly 01:29 pianohack ... 01:29 pianohack APPLE 01:29 chris_n anybody following tennis at wimbledon? 01:29 chris the longest match in history? 01:29 chris_n yeah 01:29 chris yep 01:29 wizzyrea_ lol it's crazy 01:30 chris 09:07 < wizzyrea> best article ever: http://www.stuff.co.nz/sport/tennis/3848093/Wimbledon-sees-longest-tennis-match-in-history 01:30 chris she beat you by a few hours chris_n :) 01:30 chris_n my wife used to play lots of tennis and says they must be nearly dead 01:30 pianohack nice photo choice 01:30 chris_n its hard to beat wizzyrea on the draw 01:30 chris_n :) 01:31 * chris_n hates the constant whinning of windows to be rebooted after updates 01:32 chris theres a fix for that 01:32 pianohack chris_n: Go to control panel -> administrative tools -> services 01:32 pianohack then find a service related to automatic updates 01:33 pianohack (not sure of the name) 01:33 pianohack and kill it dead 01:33 wizzyrea_ DEAD. 01:33 pianohack with a stick 01:33 wizzyrea_ kill windows dead too, while you're at it 01:33 pianohack if only 01:33 * chris_n takes aim at his windows box 01:34 wizzyrea_ you can do it 01:34 wizzyrea_ go all office space on it 01:34 chris :) 01:34 chris_n but suddenly realizes that a better solution would be to recycle it into a ubuntu box 01:34 wizzyrea_ no chris, you can not have my mac to go office space on 01:34 wizzyrea_ >.> 01:35 chris heh 01:35 gmcharlt_ reminds me of an instance where a librarian I was doing a migration for threatened to drop the old ILS server off the roof the moment they went live - the hardware maintenance fee was a killer, evidently 01:41 * chris_n has threatened to throw a few windows boxes out into the midst of I95 traffic as it is so handily nearby work 01:41 gmcharlt_ ! 01:41 gmcharlt_ what did those poor drivers ever do to you? inflicting windows on them like that! yike! 01:42 chris_n it would be just my luck that the wrong windows would break 01:44 wizzyrea_ ba dum bum 01:44 wizzyrea_ I'd imagine the thrown windows were already broken before their fated crash into a car windshield 01:45 robin gmcharlt_: drivers make windows crash, therefor windows makes drivers crash. 01:45 gmcharlt_ heh 01:45 chris_n hehe 01:45 gmcharlt_ @quote add <robin> drivers make windows crash, therefor windows makes drivers crash. 01:45 munin gmcharlt_: The operation succeeded. Quote #78 added. 01:45 robin I just wish you'd fixed my spelling before doing that ;) 01:45 wizzyrea_ robin: that's a good one 01:46 gmcharlt_ @quote remove 78 01:46 munin gmcharlt_: The operation succeeded. 01:46 gmcharlt_ @quote add <robin> drivers make windows crash, therefore windows makes drivers crash. 01:46 munin gmcharlt_: The operation succeeded. Quote #79 added. 01:46 wizzyrea_ @quote random 01:46 munin wizzyrea_: Quote #5: "<jwagner> Why is it every Koha rock I turn over produces a zillion (metaphorical) ants, each with a new question????" (added by kf at 09:13 AM, June 12, 2009) 01:46 chris_n lol 01:46 robin heh thanks, that makes me seem a lot more edumacated :) 01:46 wizzyrea_ @quote random 01:46 munin wizzyrea_: Quote #35: "<sekjal> it seemed like a good idea at the time...." (added by jwagner at 02:58 PM, September 17, 2009) 01:46 chris_n @quote random 01:46 munin chris_n: Quote #15: "<|Lupin|>ricardo: you are like the Portuguese Hitchcock!!" (added by wizzyrea at 10:58 AM, July 10, 2009) 01:47 gmcharlt_ @quote add <robin> heh thanks, that makes me seem a lot more edumacated :) 01:47 munin gmcharlt_: The operation succeeded. Quote #80 added. 01:47 gmcharlt_ ;) 01:47 wizzyrea_ the idea of a portuguese hitchcock makes me giggle 01:47 robin heh 01:47 wizzyrea_ @quote random 01:47 munin wizzyrea_: Quote #37: "< nelsonf> I'm pretty sure I deleted this one in the name of being thorough..." (added by chris at 07:27 PM, October 04, 2009) 01:47 wizzyrea_ @quote random 01:47 munin wizzyrea_: Quote #46: "<brendan> tip - don't pet a burning dog" (added by a user that is no longer registered at 11:08 PM, November 13, 2009) 01:47 wizzyrea_ LOL 01:48 chris_n heh 01:48 wizzyrea_ @quote random 01:48 munin wizzyrea_: Quote #1: "<pianohacker> resolve, rather, I doubt it needs lotion" (added by gmcharlt at 11:05 PM, May 30, 2009) 01:48 wizzyrea_ *giggle 01:48 chris_n @quote random 01:48 munin chris_n: Quote #3: "< bignose-work> the only constant in climate over the next several decades will be that the climate doesn't match what you just got used to." (added by chris at 09:55 PM, June 11, 2009) 01:49 wizzyrea_ lol we are a funny bunch 01:50 wizzyrea_ the light outside is rose colored... it's quite lovely but it looks a bit weird 01:50 robin wizzyrea_: wait until you get up in the morning and the sky is a deep yellow. 01:51 robin That's quite freaky. (and happens here when there are big fires in Australia) 01:51 wizzyrea_ we had one of those a few days ago 01:51 wizzyrea_ but in the evening 01:51 wizzyrea_ (big thunderstorms, I swear I thought I was wearing yellow sunglasses) 01:51 robin ah, big thunderstorms are rare here 01:52 chris_n big thunderstorms in Kansas = big tornados 01:53 wizzyrea_ you know, it seems like we've had fewer of those this year 01:53 wizzyrea_ oklahoma is getting them 01:53 wizzyrea_ and farther north 01:53 wizzyrea_ but not here 01:53 wizzyrea_ at least not this year 01:53 wizzyrea_ we've had lots of big lightning, heavy rain, high wind storms 01:53 wizzyrea_ but not so much tornado 01:54 wizzyrea_ at least, nothing that lives up to our reputation as toto's home 01:54 chris_n down bursts are the big problem here 01:55 robin We just have a lot of wind, so it's got to be quite something before it counts as extreme here. ALso, anything that's likely to blow down in a storm probably blew down already on a normal day :) 01:55 chris_n lol 01:55 wizzyrea_ hehe 01:55 wizzyrea_ where in australia? 01:56 robin wizzyrea_: in NZ (Wellington) 01:56 wizzyrea_ oh I thought you said australia 01:56 wizzyrea_ guess I should have guess NZ since you work with chris, right? 01:56 robin wizzyrea_: no, when Australia has big fires, we sometimes see the results here. 01:56 wizzyrea_ s/guess/guessed 01:56 robin yep. 01:56 wizzyrea_ AH 01:56 wizzyrea_ well that makes sense 01:57 * chris_n heads off to sleep 01:58 chris_n g'night 01:58 wizzyrea_ gnite 01:58 robin cya 01:59 chris night chris_n 02:14 munin New commit(s) kohagit: Bug 4897: Invalid XHTML in opac-userupdate.tmpl. <http://git.koha-community.org/gitweb/?p=koha.git;a=commitdiff;h=89a39cdc21369c8ffc235738ad02f64f25105735> 02:34 munin New commit(s) kohagit: Fix for Bug 4869 - Non-staff patrons logging into the OPAC don't have option to place... <http://git.koha-community.org/gitweb/?p=koha.git;a=commitdiff;h=880fd86057fb288e1afb8b18b54ff16e85042c21> / Bug3916 : Batch Modify tool overwrites branches fields <http://git.koha-community.org/gitweb/?p=koha.git;a=commitdiff;h=a4dab23a41fe63855806a5c95d6bf08d23556aa0> / Bug 4474 swap options for sys pref singleBranchMode <http://git.ko 02:44 munin New commit(s) kohagit: Fix for Bug 4821, With multiple 5XX fields, the font display gets progressively smaller <http://git.koha-community.org/gitweb/?p=koha.git;a=commitdiff;h=20140de43e4d2402281fe3f621976959cc2edd44> / Partial fix for Bug 4423, Staff Client XSLT is just a copy of the OPAC one <http://git.koha-community.org/gitweb/?p=koha.git;a=commitdiff;h=884d7099e94ed0e7b95da2e13a60340fd3899196> / More fixes for Bug 4423, Staff Client XSLT is j 02:54 munin New commit(s) kohagit: Fix for Bug 4532, Use include file for bibliodefaultview logic <http://git.koha-community.org/gitweb/?p=koha.git;a=commitdiff;h=a9c90b6dfb4e5648d9155294e0c911b2de9ecf43> 03:03 Amit good morning #koha 03:03 Amit heya chris 03:23 brendan evening 06:46 kf good morning #koha 06:49 Ropuch Morning #kf 06:50 kf hi Ropuch 06:51 magnus g'day #koha 08:11 Elwell doh! /dev/coffee fail. 'git pull' wasn't updating 08:12 Elwell then realised I was in ~/GIT_Sources/koji/ not ~/GIT_Sources/koha/ 08:26 * magnus thinks there is an error in INSTALL.debian and .ubuntu: it says "git clone git://git.koha-community.org/pub/scm/koha.git kohaclone", but should say "git clone git://git.koha-community.org/koha.git kohaclone"? 09:11 chris i thought that was fixed 09:11 chris at least i thought i sent a patch, ill chase it up 09:25 kf morning chris 09:30 chris hi kf 09:32 kf is there a way to check if something is already utf-8?, I'm working on bug 4904, when I comment out $formatted_fine = Encode::encode("utf8", $formatted_fine); its working perfect. Not sure I can just do it or if there needs to be a test for utf-8 or something. 09:32 munin 04Bug http://bugs.koha-community.org/bugzilla3/show_bug.cgi?id=4904 major, P5, ---, henridamien, NEW, Problem with printing fines in overdue notices 09:39 kf hm I will kill the encode part and send a patch 09:42 magnus chris: great! 09:50 chris magnus: wow, that really is a fail from dell 09:50 chris kf: unfortunately no, there is not a reliable way to detect encoding 09:51 magnus chris: rather! 09:51 kf chris: I looked at the documentation of Locale::Currency::format. i think it returns utf-8 as default 09:52 kf so it should be save to remove the encoding 09:53 paul kf, do you plan to introduce Loacale::Currency::format ? 09:53 kf its already there 09:53 paul (hi magnus, kf, chris & al) 09:53 kf paul: see my bug report 4904, there is a link to chris_n's patch 09:54 kf and hi paul :) 09:54 paul kf, yep, but it's not used in acq. It's on our todolist : the display of the money is poor in acq : hardcoded fr or en display :'(((( 09:56 magnus chris: someone from dell just contacted me on twitter - the power of public complaints... 09:57 kf paul: two options are better than before. but I think acq really needs a bit of work. hope I can get it to print an pdf today. 10:01 kf oh, i forgot to reset the date in my vm after testing... now the patch was sent out on Sat Jul 24 10:37:32 CEST 2010 10:01 kf do I need to resend it? 10:01 chris its the time of the commit 10:02 chris i wouldnt worry about it :) 10:02 paul kf, do you plan to come to kohaCon NZ ? 10:02 kf atm no, but still thinking about it 10:02 kf the journey is a bit scary 10:03 * paul strongly encourage you... 10:03 paul kf, yep, 30 hours from Marseille !!!! 10:03 paul will stop&go in HongKong probably 10:03 paul (& 1800� !) 10:04 magnus kf: scary yes, but i think it will be worth it 10:05 paul it's definetly worth it ! undoubtfully ! 10:05 Ropuch The most scary part is the flight cost ;> 10:05 kf yes, but it needs a lot of organisation too 10:06 Ropuch I'm sure it does 10:06 kf paul: do you have plans for a kohacon in france? ;) 10:06 chris the first kohacon was in france kf 10:06 paul kf, yes, there will be on in may ...2006 10:06 paul :D 10:07 paul s/on/one/* 10:07 * chris flew the 30 hours to get there :-) 10:07 chris and it was definitely worth it 10:07 paul yep, and the hackfest part was really a great great time ! 10:08 kf paul: have you booked your flights to kohacon? 10:08 paul the kohacon is not a "must go", but the hackfest IS for a developper. No doubt ! 10:08 paul kf not yet, I plan to do that in the next days/weeks 10:08 kf not sure Im a developer 10:08 paul kf, you send patches, isn't it ? so you are ! 10:08 chris we have a really good room we can use for hte developer conference, its the training room at work, has projector and laptop stations etc .. and all are welcome :) 10:09 chris plus the conference programme is shaping up to have some great talks... from librarians all over the world 10:11 kf Im sure it will be great 10:13 magnus i'm looking forward to hearing about integration of koha and kete, i think walter(?) said he would give a talk on that? 10:13 chris yep 10:16 chris magnus: do you have any idea which route you will be taking? 10:17 magnus not really 10:17 chris i wonder if it might be possible to coordinate with kf that you end up on the same flight ? :) 10:17 magnus would be nice 10:17 magnus i'm thinking of maybe stopping over to visit relatives in LA 10:18 chris ahh, stopovers are a nice way to break the trip up 10:18 magnus but then, i may just grit my teeth and do it as direct as possible 10:18 magnus yeah, several people have told me as much 10:23 kf magnus: perhaps you can tell once you have decided on a flight? 10:23 magnus i will! hope to figure it out some time next week 10:26 chris cool 10:51 kf lunch, bbl 10:52 custard I don't suppose there's a wiki page on how to make/edit pages in the wiki? 10:53 Ropuch Ok, I'm pretty sure i messed something up 10:53 Ropuch I have a koha dump - database version is 3.0100041 11:00 chris custard: http://www.mediawiki.org/wiki/Help:Starting_a_new_page 11:09 custard chris: thanks. 11:12 jdavidb howdy, #koha! 11:40 gmcharlt_ good morning 11:42 jwagner morning, gmcharlt_ and all 11:42 Amit heya galen, jwagner 11:57 owen Hi #koha 11:57 munin New commit(s) kohagit: fix two broken calls to _FixPriority <http://git.koha-community.org/gitweb/?p=koha.git;a=commitdiff;h=360f985307b5c7acca76cf7dd073503d49e2315b> / bug 3344: display in-transit status on holds priority list <http://git.koha-community.org/gitweb/?p=koha.git;a=commitdiff;h=39c177e3f2d261d559e9fb595ee5fce101178f4d> / bug 4224: explicitly mark hold requests as being handled by item in transit <http://git.koha-community.org/gitweb/ 12:05 jdavidb hi, owen! :) 12:05 * owen thinks it must be his birthday...a bunch of his patches approved! 12:11 owen Well, that cuts down my list of patch-sent branches 12:12 owen Thanks gmcharlt_ ! 12:17 kf hi owen, jdavidb and jwagner 12:17 jdavidb hi, kf! :D 12:24 kf thanks gmcharlt_ :) 12:28 jwagner hi kf 12:36 chris_n g'morning #koha 12:36 jdavidb hi, chris_n. :) 12:37 * chris_n waves toward the north 12:37 kf hi chris_n 12:38 * chris_n heads back to OpenLDAP land for the day 12:39 magnus does anyone have experience with the koha offline plugin for firefox? i can't seem to make it sync, and i can't find the file to upload... 12:39 kf magnus: sorry, never tested it 12:40 magnus Kivutar around? 12:43 Kivutar magnus: yes 12:43 Kivutar this plugins don't generate a koc file 12:43 Kivutar it posts the data to koha 12:43 magnus hi! oops, i thought it did... i must be confusing it with something else 12:44 magnus cool 12:44 Kivutar magnus: you can ask Kyle Hall about the plugin using koc files 12:44 kf Is it ok to close bug 3046? I did alot of fines testing and it think maxfine is working. 12:44 munin 04Bug http://bugs.koha-community.org/bugzilla3/show_bug.cgi?id=3046 major, P5, ---, gmcharlt, NEW, System ignores MaxFine syspref 12:44 magnus Kivutar: what goes in the server field? 12:45 Kivutar magnus: the url of your intranet 12:45 magnus so the whole http://demo.bibkat.no:8080/ ? 12:46 Kivutar yes, but i can't remember if there is the trailing / or not 12:46 magnus ok 12:46 Kivutar magnus: without 12:47 magnus thanks! and what is the difference between "commit to koha" and "apply directly"? 12:48 Kivutar magnus: if you commit to koha, the operations are stored in a table of the db 12:48 Kivutar allowinf you to order them by timestamp 12:48 Kivutar this is usefull in the case of many people doing offline circulation at the same time 12:49 Kivutar everybody post to koha, then koha order the operations, and someone with the rights launch the process 12:49 magnus um, which process is that? 12:49 Kivutar apply directly send the operations to koha, and koha apply them 12:50 Kivutar magnus: in circulation tools, there is a new page, where you can see the pending operations 12:51 Kivutar it is in biblibre/master, i have no idea if it has been integrated to the community 3.2 or future 3.4 12:52 magnus a ha, i can't see it in HEAD... 12:52 Kivutar arf 12:53 Kivutar too bad, because these patches come with an api rewritte for the offline circulation 12:53 Kivutar maybe it was too late, feature freeze or something like that 12:54 magnus does that mean "apply directly" doesn't work either? 12:54 Kivutar (coffee time) 12:54 magnus this is on 3.01.00.124 12:54 Kivutar magnus: wont work 12:55 magnus ok, thanks for answering a lot of questions anyway! 13:29 custard is there anyone in the room at the moment who could help with a wiki formatting question? (it's for the Koha wiki so somewhat appropriate) 13:43 magnus custard: shoot! 13:51 custard right. Ludicrously long bit of text (command with web path in it) that I was planning to do as preformatted text. But it goes way, way outside the box. 13:52 custard If the page is useful, this is something that would probably be cut and pasted, so I don't want to put hard breaks into it, but I think it should at least be on the screen. 13:54 custard At the moment I've got it differentiated using the <code></code> markup, but it is not as obvious as I would like. Is there any way of reconciling this? 13:57 magnus not that i know of, i'm afraid... 13:58 wizzyrea custard, which page 13:58 magnus one way i have seen is to have a \ at the end of "artificial" lines 13:58 wizzyrea which page are you working on? 14:03 custard http://wiki.koha-community.org/wiki/Koha_on_Lucid_using_Koha_packages 14:04 custard about 3/4 of the way down. 14:04 wizzyrea dependencies? 14:05 custard yes. 14:09 wizzyrea custard: like this? http://screencast.com/t/ZWJmYWQ4Yj 14:09 kf bye all 14:10 wizzyrea nah that won't work 14:10 wizzyrea but it will look pretty 14:11 wizzyrea you could just tell people to wget each one separately 14:11 amadan hello folks 14:11 wizzyrea which of course no sysadmin would really do, but it would make it easier to display 14:11 custard blimy, glad they gave you a way to shorten that url. 14:13 amadan can i convert my catalog from csv into marc? 14:13 amadan wrong question 14:13 amadan how do i convert my catalog from csv into marc? 14:13 amadan for koha 14:14 wizzyrea usually using MARCEdit 14:14 custard Tried that. Even on their own they go outside the pretty little box. But the I suppose that's only a but to way outside the box instead of way, way outside the box. 14:14 amadan any url? 14:14 wizzyrea hm. it's not doing that on mine 14:14 wizzyrea what's the resolution you are working at? 14:15 wizzyrea (mine is rediculous, but window size is close to 1024x768 14:15 amadan any url for MARCEdit? 14:15 custard ah. box is window size related. I'll break them into individual wgets. 14:15 wizzyrea I"ll do it, I already have it done :) 14:16 wizzyrea done 14:35 custard Thanks. 15:12 wizzyrea heya 15:13 jwagner owen, online 15:13 jwagner ? 15:14 owen Yes 15:15 owen jwagner: Ask me a Koha question to calm my Drupal rage 15:15 jwagner Do you (or anyone else) know of a site that's embedded the Koha OPAC into a frame on the main library web page? 15:15 * owen doesn't 15:16 jwagner Drat :-( 15:16 jwagner Is there some stylesheet setting that controls page width? Embedding the OPAC as-is is too wide for the frame. 15:17 owen jwagner: The YUI grids CSS controls the page width, so you'd have to go about overriding each page's layout 15:18 owen ...assuming you're talking about something fixed-width 15:18 owen Other things just plain won't fit if you try to squeeze them too small. like the search bar with the cart and lists buttons 15:20 jwagner That's not the answer he wanted :-( but it's the answer I was afraid of. Thanks. 15:21 owen I take it this library isn't satisfied with their customization options? 15:22 jdavidb sounds like one of our customers who is Never Satisfied, period. Something in the water where they live, I think. 15:23 * owen shudders at the thought of any site embedded into a frame on any other site. Period. 15:24 * jwagner agrees.... 15:26 jwagner The main problem is the organization redesigning its web site & demanding that the library fit into the scheme of things :-( 15:28 owen It seems to be a rule of thumb that libraries must be in the middle of a web site redesign when it comes time to implement Koha 15:28 jwagner And in this case, they sprang a surprise on the library -- new org web site goes live next week, and library isn't due to go live until around 1st of August. There's nothing to put in the frame yet, but the org still wants something. Sigh. 15:30 * jwagner hopes this at least diverted owen from his Drupal rage :) 15:30 * owen Drupal... rage... rising! 15:30 wizzyrea ogm 15:30 wizzyrea omg* 15:30 * jwagner sends waves of calming thoughts toward owen -- ommmmmmm 15:32 wizzyrea jwagner: you can do some pretty wicked stuff with the CSS headers to make it look pretty close 15:32 wizzyrea combined with the side nav 15:32 jwagner wizzyrea, know of a sample site I could look at? 15:32 wizzyrea do you have clearance to give us a link? 15:32 wizzyrea to what you are looking at? 15:33 jwagner If they can see someplace where it's more or less working, maybe they can design something similar. 15:33 jwagner There's nothing to look at yet -- don't even have a test load done. 15:33 wizzyrea well I meant the organizational website 15:33 wizzyrea that it's supposed to fit ito 15:33 wizzyrea into* 15:34 * owen thought this came off pretty well: http://nyack.waldo.kohalibrary.com/ 15:34 owen Compare to http://www.nyackcollege.edu/library.php 15:34 wizzyrea HLT too 15:34 wizzyrea http://www.library.org.nz 15:34 wizzyrea so I mean 15:34 owen Of course since then they redesigned their main page: http://www.nyackcollege.edu/ *sigh* 15:34 wizzyrea it can be done that the *theme* is preserved 15:35 wizzyrea that's probably another one on jwagner's list >.> 15:35 wizzyrea and 15:35 wizzyrea jwagner 15:36 wizzyrea don't forget that you can lift out that koha search box and put it on *any* web page 15:36 wizzyrea same with login boxes 15:36 jwagner Yep, I already have the colors/images to match the main site. The new main site isn't available where I can see it yet, though, to see what they're trying to do. the librarian is trying to explain it to me. 15:36 jwagner Two non-web developers trying to interpret web design. Oh The Humanity! 15:36 hdl jwagner: you could use ILSDI and zebra to send direct data to the site. 15:36 wizzyrea oh god 15:36 wizzyrea web design by committee makes me cry 15:36 hdl Then ppl could be z 15:37 hdl able to display the data the way they want. 15:37 jwagner hdl, I don't have a clue what you're saying :-( I think you're beyond my level.... 15:38 wizzyrea I think he's saying basically rebuild an all new OPAC that fits in your new theme 15:38 wizzyrea or maybe not 15:38 jwagner Not without major development $$$, we don't.... 15:39 wizzyrea http://github.com/ptfs/Koha-PTFS/tree/harley/C4/ILSDI, and http://www.diglib.org/architectures/ilsdi/ 15:40 wizzyrea (because I didn't know what it was) 15:42 jwagner Dunno about that one. I've suggested to the librarian that he put a placeholder page with a search box as something to go into the frame, then let it link & open the OPAC in a new window, but he thinks they won't go for that. Sigh.... 15:42 wizzyrea I won't even ask why it has to go in a frame 15:43 jwagner Because the Powers That Be _Say So_ -- no rational reason.... 15:44 wizzyrea ha 15:44 jdavidb putting a perfectly good web page in a frame is like putting a 6 year old behind the wheel of your new Lexus...sure, you could, but why would you want to? 15:44 wizzyrea oh and jane... I was wrong, on the day of our talk there were 11 blockers 15:44 wizzyrea and a couple of them were for 3.4 (which is where I got 2) 15:45 wizzyrea I meant to tell you sooner (i.e. apologize) 15:46 chris_n now for a momentary diversion: "History is written by the winners, and failing that by the people who keep the best backups" 15:46 wizzyrea hee 15:46 hdl wizzyrea: jwagner I was just saying that you could embed your search and patron accounts using ILSDI and SRU/SRW research. It was better intgrated than a simple iframe. 15:47 hdl just require adequate xslt 15:51 jwagner hdl, thanks. It sounds like it would still require some development, correct? This library has no extra money to spend building anything. 15:52 wizzyrea then, ehm, beggars can't be choosers? 15:52 * wizzyrea runs and hides 15:52 owen It doesn't sound like they're in a position to ask for much then :P 15:54 chris_n lol wizzyrea 15:54 jwagner Yes, I've been trying to tactfully make that point to them. There's the standard OPAC customization I do, and then there's Other Stuff. This falls in the Other Stuff category. 15:54 * chris_n thinks it could also be driven by the $$$/year they represent even if there is no liquid $$$ atm :-P 15:55 jwagner I was hoping, if someone has done it successfully, then their own web developers could look at such a site and do their own mods to opac.css. Doesn't sound hopeful, though. 16:00 NickyNick Anyone know why I would get this error when starting Zebrasrv even though Koha user has full right to the zebradb directory? - lock file /var/lock/koha/zebradb/biblios/zebrasrv.pid [Permission denied] 16:01 wizzyrea are you running the jobs as the koha user? 16:01 NickyNick Yep 16:17 cait hi #koha 16:19 joetho the goblin newbie zone has a quest where you feed monkeys explosive bananas and fight a giant mechanical chicken! 16:20 jwagner joetho, something for the "cherrypick into Koha" list? 16:51 jdavidb @karma jdavidb 16:51 munin jdavidb: Karma for "jdavidb" has been increased 28 times and decreased 0 times for a total karma of 28. 16:51 jdavidb @karma 16:51 munin jdavidb: Highest karma: "chris" (149), "gmcharlt" (148), and "owen" (116). Lowest karma: "<!" (-57), "failed" (-40), and "-" (-25). You (jdavidb) are ranked 14 out of 874. 16:52 jdavidb @karma jwagner 16:52 munin jdavidb: Karma for "jwagner" has been increased 34 times and decreased 0 times for a total karma of 34. 16:52 owen gmcharlt and chris are neck-and-neck. They should spend more time ingratiating themselves with us. 16:53 jdavidb A redesign of the OPAC--right in your wheelhouse, owen--would put you right in there with 'em. 16:53 jdavidb @karma kados 16:53 munin jdavidb: Karma for "kados" has been increased 16 times and decreased 2 times for a total karma of 14. 16:53 * jdavidb chuckles. 16:54 jdavidb @karma cfouts 16:54 munin jdavidb: Karma for "cfouts" has been increased 10 times and decreased 0 times for a total karma of 10. 16:55 jwagner I can't go get a bite of lunch without karma wars breaking out again? 16:58 jdavidb nope. 16:59 jdavidb @eightball is it possible for me to catch up with stuff before the weekend? 16:59 munin jdavidb: NO! 16:59 jdavidb Din't think so. 17:02 cait hi jdavidb 17:02 cait @karma kf 17:02 munin cait: Karma for "kf" has been increased 16 times and decreased 0 times for a total karma of 16. 17:02 cait @karma cait 17:02 munin cait: Karma for "cait" has been increased 14 times and decreased 0 times for a total karma of 14. 17:02 cait hey, 30 :) 17:02 jdavidb Hi, cait! :) 17:03 jdavidb @roulette 17:03 munin jdavidb: *click* 17:03 cait @roulette 17:03 munin cait: *click* 17:03 jdavidb @roulette 17:03 * munin reloads and spins the chambers. 17:03 jdavidb all better... :) 17:08 cait @roulette 17:08 munin cait: *click* 17:18 zico hi all 17:18 zico how are you everybody? 17:19 zico as i mailed in the mailing list 17:19 zico but... i haven`t get any help...can anyone please help me regarding "Report Generation Wizard"? :( 17:19 zico i need it badly 17:20 zico our koha - 3.0.5 cannot generate any report if we go for "Statistics Wizard" 17:20 zico it shows *Total 0* for every position like Acquisition, Circulation, Patron... 18:16 gmcharlt munin, you slacker 18:16 munin gmcharlt: Error: "you" is not a valid command. 18:16 gmcharlt ah, there you are 18:17 cait hi gmcharlt 18:17 gmcharlt hi cait 18:19 munin New commit(s) kohagit: Select in budget add forum <http://git.koha-community.org/gitweb/?p=koha.git;a=commitdiff;h=7233544f8b5cc8b9e17bdda12cd30306fd744542> / Bug 4905 Runtime errors in about.pl <http://git.koha-community.org/gitweb/?p=koha.git;a=commitdiff;h=6a1191bb3f7b715006aa289d85692e569359fd74> 18:29 munin New commit(s) kohagit: (MT2371) basket.tmpl, in basket details, change Open on => Opened on <http://git.koha-community.org/gitweb/?p=koha.git;a=commitdiff;h=f0233c4f336ee96bba03f43d520a0326bb608504> / (BUG #4356) Basket.pl: adding a link to the basketgroup <http://git.koha-community.org/gitweb/?p=koha.git;a=commitdiff;h=e44fc909ef930cf72b2cc93b1e557af238f29a52> / (BUG #4521) aqbudgets.pl - Transform undefined budget spent value to 0.00 value <http 18:29 jdavidb gmcharlt++ 18:29 jdavidb @karma 18:29 munin jdavidb: Highest karma: "chris" (149), "gmcharlt" (149), and "owen" (115). Lowest karma: "<!" (-57), "failed" (-40), and "-" (-25). You (jdavidb) are ranked 14 out of 875. 18:29 jdavidb o.O 18:29 wizzyrea_ jdavidb++ just because 18:30 jdavidb Aww! thanx! 18:31 cait jdavidb++ 18:32 jdavidb ooo...couple more, and I might actually catch jwagner! 18:33 collum jdavidb++ :) 18:33 cait @karma jdavidb 18:33 munin cait: Karma for "jdavidb" has been increased 31 times and decreased 0 times for a total karma of 31. 18:33 cait @karma jwagner 18:33 munin cait: Karma for "jwagner" has been increased 34 times and decreased 0 times for a total karma of 34. 18:33 * cait whispers jdavidb++ 18:46 owen karma party for the next person to fix a bug older than one year. I'll bring the pluses. 18:48 owen Can anyone confirm something for me? In my up-to-date install of HEAD when I submit a suggestion with an item type the item type information is not saved to the suggestions table 18:48 owen What complicates things is that my submission form doesn't actually show item types, it shows collection codes. 18:49 owen Hm, I guess that's Bug 4830 18:49 munin 04Bug http://bugs.koha-community.org/bugzilla3/show_bug.cgi?id=4830 normal, P5, ---, henridamien, NEW, item type on purchase suggestion not carried over 18:49 cait I wondered what the pull down is good for 18:50 cait I think it might be confusing for patrons (thought about hiding it with jQuery) 19:00 jwagner reading back, jdavidb will never catch me in karma! 19:03 chris_n *sigh* 19:03 chris_n why can't network administration be easy? 19:03 jdavidb I'm off to catch the bus, y'all. 19:03 chris_n run fast :) 19:03 wizzyrea_ chris_n: I can so relate 19:04 * owen does his best to avoid network administration, bolstered by healthy levels of ignorance 19:04 jwagner chris_n, if it were _easy_ they wouldn't need people of your ability to do it :-) 19:05 * chris_n thanks jwagner for the vote of confidence 19:05 chris morning 19:05 chris_n heya 19:05 owen Hi chris 19:05 * chris is tired 19:05 jwagner morning, chris 19:06 chris_n that's not good this early in your morning 19:06 chris we managed to draw 0-0 with paraguay, so nz goes threw the world cup unbeaten 19:06 chris but stupid italy lost to slovaki 19:06 chris a 19:06 chris otoh, we do end up with more points than the defending world champs .. so thats ok :) 19:07 chris and it does mean i dont need to keep getting up at 2am 19:09 chris http://www.stuff.co.nz/sport/fifa-world-cup/all-whites/3852415/Pride-and-tears-end-wild-ride 19:13 cait chris: you go unbeaten :( 19:14 chris yeah, not bad for the only team with amateurs in it :) 19:15 cait no not bad 19:15 cait but I will loose my bet :) 19:16 chris heh yeah 19:18 cait but will keep the nz flag in my office until the wc is over 19:19 cait and perhaps a bit longer to remind me about kohacon 19:26 chris :) 19:38 chris cait: did you see the nz pop culture page ? 19:38 cait yes I did 19:39 cait :) 19:39 chris you can play some nz music in your office :) 19:40 chris oh cool some more nz librarians registered last night 19:42 cait :) 19:45 chris bus time 20:35 chris back 20:40 larsw gooooood morning 20:41 chris hey there larsw ... it is actually quite a pleasant morning :) 20:42 larsw I am having one as well :) 20:42 richard hi 20:49 chris cool another speaker confirmation 21:24 chris hi sekjal, in DC now? 21:24 sekjal chris: on the bus just yet 21:24 sekjal most of the way to New Haven, CT 21:25 chris ahh 21:26 sekjal chris: do you (or anyone else in channel) know why we have DOM filtering for Zebra authorities and not for Zebra biblios? 21:27 sekjal is it a technical difficulty I haven't found yet? 21:27 chris i think it just hasnt been done yet 21:27 chris there might be something to do with other language support, im not sure gmcharlt would know 21:27 sekjal ah okay. I'll ask him this weekend, if I get the chance 21:28 gmcharlt sekjal: it just that it hasn't been done yet 21:28 sekjal oh, hi, gmcharlt 21:28 sekjal okay, cool 21:28 sekjal was just reading the code for rebuild_zebra.pl 21:28 gmcharlt however, if we make a go of it, I think we should do it by putting up a frontend for storing and maintaining indexing definitions 21:29 gmcharlt so that we're not making users have to update the XSLT templates directly 21:29 chris definitely 21:31 sekjal there is still the issue of combining DOM and XML export (resulting in no root element), but that seems like it's achievable 21:32 sekjal getting past that would get us around the ISO 2709 file size limit bug, wouldn't it? since MARCXML has no such limitation 21:40 gmcharlt sekjal: right, and it does that anyway with the -x option - the DOM filter isn't required to index MARCXML documents using the GRS-1 indexing config 21:40 sekjal but you can't combine -a and -x with rebuild_zebra.pl 21:41 gmcharlt right, but you don't have to reindex bibs and authorities in the same run 21:41 sekjal I suppose... but convenience! 21:41 cait good night all 21:45 pianohack brendan|h or brendan_o: are either of you brendan gallagher, and are you around? 21:45 chris pianohack: i think he is on his way, or is at ALA and yes those are both him :) 21:45 chris hi jdavidb 21:45 pianohack k 21:46 jdavidb hi, chris. 21:46 sekjal brendan_o is his office bot 21:46 pianohack cool 21:46 pianohack thanks ian 21:47 sekjal np, pianohack. On my way to ALA, myself 21:47 pianohack cool 21:47 pianohack also, hello 21:47 sekjal and hello to you 21:47 pianohack now that my brendan harassment has been delegated to munin 21:50 sekjal I'm very happy the bus has WiFi, but unfortunately it doesn't have power.... my battery will be giving in shortly 21:51 chris ahh bummer 21:53 sekjal yeah 21:53 sekjal ah, well, I can still design even if I can't actually code 21:53 chris :) 21:54 chris your flights to nz booked? virgin australia has usb for charging 21:55 sekjal chris; not yet... I really need to get on that 21:55 sekjal keep hoping I'll magically catch some sweet deal 21:55 chris :) the deal nengard got was pretty sweet 21:55 sekjal yeah, it does set a bit of a high (or rather, low) standard 21:55 chris :) 21:56 sekjal I've also got to get tickets for my wife, who will be joining me after the conference for a little vacation time 21:58 chris awesome! i think quite a few ppl are doing that 21:58 sekjal she got to spend a semester in Australia, but had to skip the week in NZ... so now we can make it up together! 21:59 chris sweet 21:59 sekjal alright, pulling into New Haven, with all of 13% battery remaining. hope to be back on later today or tomorrow. 21:59 sekjal cheers, all! 21:59 chris cya sekjal 22:15 chris nice song for friday http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=n0vDU-L2qcA&a 22:42 * magnus has been grumbling a bit about the weather and just wants to put the record straight by pointing out that he now has a livingroom full of sunlight, at 45 minutes past midnight! 22:42 chris :) 22:44 magnus nights like these make the whole above-the-polar-circle-malarky worth wile... 22:45 chris that would be something special to see 22:46 magnus sure is! 22:46 magnus we should have kohacon up here some time, in the middle of summer 22:47 chris definitely 22:47 magnus it would make nz seem a *lot* less remote... ;-) 22:47 chris heh 22:48 robin magnus: nz isn't remote anyway. It's just that many people decide to live stupidly large distances away :) 22:51 magnus robin: i know! 22:54 magnus it's just that there seemed to be some reactions of that kind to having kohacon in nz... ;-) 22:58 larsw NZ is not far away at all 22:58 larsw barely five minutes by foot! 23:03 magnus yeah, and neither is the North Cape, just some 16 hours by car ;-) 23:06 magnus g'night #koha 23:49 mle hey chris. hows tricks? 23:50 chris not bad, and you? 23:50 mle : ) 23:50 mle got some SMAL training last week 23:50 mle got some SAML training last week even 23:51 mle looking into which directory to deploy 23:51 chris cool 23:51 mle tips? 23:51 chris i havent done any saml stuff myself, so your guess is as good as mine 23:51 mle hehe 23:51 mle ty 23:52 mle well its not gonna be AD