Time  Nick        Message
00:23 jo          brendan from nsw?
00:23 brendan     nope - but hi jo
00:24 jo          :)
00:25 mib_d6my8   jo\
00:25 mib_d6my8   Brendan from vicnet mylanguage
00:30 chris       hi jo
00:38 jo          hi chris
00:39 chris       i think mib_d6my8 might be the brendan you are after
00:51 jo          yep - thanks chris
02:57 chris       burning the midnight oil jdavidb ?
02:57 jdavidb     eh, not that late yet...and not sleepy.
02:58 chris       fair enough
03:08 custard     with Lars's .debs, has he found someone to test them on ubuntu lucid?
03:09 chris       not anyone who has documented it
03:09 larsw       I haven't heard of anything
03:09 custard     and the intention is that they go into a fresh install?
03:10 larsw       I should state here, for clarity, that I am withdrawing from Koha development; I'm mainly hanging out here in case there's any questions I can answer, and to hang out with people I know
03:12 * custard   nods
03:13 * wizzyrea_ mourns the loss of larsw
03:13 larsw       anyway, I hope the existing packages work in ubuntu lucid, but if not, please file a bug explaining the problems
03:13 custard     is anyone else taking on the .deb idea?
03:14 larsw       Robin's succeeding me in the packaging
03:16 custard     Good.
03:16 custard     I was just in the middle of updating my koha box to lucid, and spotted a note in the irc logs a while back looking for a volunteer to test them, and thought that maybe I could help there.
03:22 custard     but since I've already got data in the system that I don't really want to loose, I'm probably after a good way of preserving the records and items.
03:22 custard     Would just restoring a sql dump work? or would that loose important bits?
03:24 chris       what version of koha are you currently running?
03:25 custard     3.00.06.010
03:25 Amit        hi chris
03:26 Amit        good morning #koha
03:26 custard     (and was about to bump it up to 3.2a1 anyway)
03:27 chris       alpha2 is out, and the beta is out soon but the packages are running off master, so ahead of even alpha2
03:27 chris       im not sure an upgrade from 3.0.6 will work flawlessly, no fault of the packages though, theres blockers around the upgrade
03:28 larsw       backups, backups, backups. oh, and backups.
03:28 chris       i'd certianly do the install on something i dont care too much about first :)
03:34 custard     Ok, I'll see what I've got lying around and test it out first.
07:13 kf          good morning #koha
07:19 Amit        heya kf
07:24 kf          hi paul, hi Amit
07:30 paul        hello kf & al
07:30 chris       hi paul
07:34 kf          hi chris
07:35 chris       heya kf
07:52 chris       paul: nz maori vs england rugby on at the moment
08:35 hdl         hi chris
08:35 chris       hi hdl
08:38 chris       hi magnus
08:38 magnus      hi chris
08:38 chris       hows the ticket hunting going?
08:38 magnus      havn't quite got round to it yet
08:39 magnus      i'm on "holiday" from next week, so i'll do it then
08:39 chris       ahh good idea
08:39 magnus      have a few loose ends to tie up before this week is out
08:41 magnus      catalyst++ # by the way, for volunteering personnel to help with the biblibre patches!
08:49 chris       :) ill pass that on to my boss
08:52 kf          catalyst++ :)
08:57 kf          nengard: around?
09:00 chris       she'll be asleep
09:00 chris       for a couple more hours at least
09:02 kf          ah, you are right
09:02 kf          wanted to ask her if she still has problems to get amazon working
09:03 chris       can you remember what bits of amazon weren't working?
09:05 kf          reviews
09:05 kf          I think covers were ok
09:06 kf          and similar items
09:06 chris       reviews are working at hlt
09:06 kf          ok, to be more clear: I had problems with similar items and reviews not working, covers were ok
09:06 chris       http://www.library.org.nz/cgi-bin/koha/opac-detail.pl?biblionumber=11580
09:06 kf          yes, they were working for owen too, but not for nengard and me
09:06 chris       weird
09:06 kf          yes
09:06 kf          will test on my dev install later
09:08 chris       w00t!!!
09:09 chris       nz maori beat england!
09:10 chilts      heh, awesome :)
09:11 chris       not a bad way to celebrate their centenary
09:14 magnus      chris: the tag browser looks cool - is that something for 3.4?
09:14 chris       thats in 3.2
09:15 magnus      ooh, cool!
09:15 chris       if you have librarything for libraries
09:15 magnus      ah, ok
09:15 magnus      i thought it was based on the tags in koha - should have known there wouldn't be that many tags, even for LOTR...
09:16 chris       there is a koha tag browser too
09:16 chris       but yeah, you get much more useful info if you utilise millions of ppls tags :)
09:16 magnus      :-)
09:17 chris       HLT have librarything for libraries, and also syndetics
09:17 magnus      there should be some way to aggregate tags accross Kohas, and other systems too
09:17 magnus      sweden has one, called "Öppna bibliotek" - "open libraries"
09:18 chris       yep, no reason why we cant do that
09:18 chris       i want to do that with recommendations too
09:19 magnus      i'm part of a norwegian "think tank" (the library laboratory) that will be investigating the swedish software this year, and arguing that all norwegian systems should contribute to one open pool, not one pool per ils vendor...
09:19 magnus      sure recommendations, comments, tags...
09:19 chris       yup
09:19 chris       would be easy to do
09:20 chris       just need to make a submit to 'some cool name'
09:20 chris       button
09:20 chris       in the tools
09:20 magnus      would be nice
09:21 magnus      "Awesome  Classic  Mad" http://www.library.org.nz/cgi-bin/koha/opac-tags.pl hehe
09:22 magnus      hm, when i click on "mad" i get this error: "Error: Language 'nb' does not exist"
09:23 chris       yeah, its trying to be too smart detecting your language from your browser
09:23 chris       there are a few little bugs like that in C4/Languages
09:23 chris       its due for an overhaul in 3.4
09:24 magnus      good
09:24 magnus      trying to be too smart is... not so smart... :-)
09:25 chris       yeah
09:29 custard     Is there anything obvious that would give an "Auth ERROR: Can't get_session() at /usr/share/koha/lib/C4/Auth.pm line 606." when attempting a local connection?
09:31 custard     This is on an existing system after an OS upgrade. MySQL is running, and has retained the pre-existing user/password combo.
09:36 chris       its the session bit that is failing
09:36 chris       so, im guessing some modules that were cpanned on
09:36 chris       are now missing
09:37 chris       did perl get upgraded?
09:48 custard     yes. 5.10.0 to 5.10.1
09:48 chris       hmm, that shouldnt have been a problem the perl modules should be in the same place still
09:49 chris       can you try
09:49 chris       installing CGI::Session::serialize::yaml
09:49 chris       then try koha again
09:50 custard     now, it's interesting that you mention YAML.
09:52 custard     previous to this error, I had a longer one that was very much like this one:
09:52 custard     http://old.nabble.com/Koha-Upgrading-to-3.00.04-from-3.00.02-td26211666.html
09:55 chris       yeah koha uses yaml, and so does cgi session
09:57 custard     and adding the package fixed the error. Thanks.
09:58 custard     not sure what happened to those two.
10:03 custard     can I ask why you thought of that module?
10:04 chris       because it said cant get_session
10:04 chris       so it was something cgi::session related
10:31 chris       custard: did that fix it?
10:32 custard     Yes it did. Thanks.
10:32 custard     Sorry, thought I'd said that.
10:32 chris       cool
10:33 chris       yeah you did
10:33 chris       i just didnt notice :)
11:19 damien      Hi, does Koha have an API for plugin development work?
11:28 magnus      damien: i'd say there is no plugin architecture as such, but you can include modules from the C4 directory to get the functionality you need http://git.koha-community.org/gitweb/?p=koha.git;a=tree;f=C4;hb=HEAD
11:29 magnus      have a look in the misc and misc/cronjobs folder for some (cli) examples http://git.koha-community.org/gitweb/?p=koha.git;a=tree;f=misc;hb=HEAD
11:39 chris_n     g'morning
11:56 jwagner     morning chris_n and all
12:26 kf          morning jwagner
12:37 owen        Hi nengard
12:37 nengard     howdy!
12:44 owen        nengard: How's greader treating you?
12:44 nengard     actually haven't looked at it in a few days - trying to catch up from being away before leaving again tomorrow!!
12:44 nengard     that said - i love that i can now send and receive SMS for free with Google Voice!!!
12:45 nengard     greader has a few things that bug me - #1 I know i have more than 1000 things to read give me the damn number -- #2 why can't I share a list of everything I subscribe to? -- #3 why can't I mark everything in every folder read?
12:46 nengard     but bloglines was unstable and that was annoying too
12:46 owen        You should be able to do #3
12:46 owen        There's a "mark all as read" button
12:50 * owen      got tired of Bloglines randomly forgetting what I'd read and what I hadn't
12:55 owen        brb, Windows bugging me to restart
12:59 owen        Whoa, Windows updated my nVidia driver and it's like I just arrived in Munchkin Land
12:59 owen        The colors are burning my eyes
13:06 * owen      finds the nVidia setting "Digital Vibrance" and cranks it down from 78%
13:07 NickyNick   Anyone have an opinion on using 3.2 Alpha on a production site?
13:08 owen        NickyNick: Have you browsed the bug database to see what the major issues are?
13:09 NickyNick   um, that would be wise I suppose! I will, just wondering if anyone thinks, generally, that there is much point staying back on 3.06 until 3.2 is released!
13:09 owen        http://bugs.koha-community.org/bugzilla3/buglist.cgi?query_format=advanced&bug_severity=blocker&bug_severity=critical&bug_severity=major&bug_status=NEW&bug_status=ASSIGNED&bug_status=REOPENED&version=HEAD&version=rel_3_2
13:09 nengard     sorry owen - was reading emails and writing patches - there is a mark all read button on each folder - but not for all folders ... not that i saw
13:09 nengard     and is munchkinland a good thing??
13:09 owen        Sorry for that URL NickyNick, that's should give you the major, critical, and blocker bugs
13:10 owen        nengard: Munchkinland wasn't a good thing in this case
13:10 nengard     hehe
13:10 owen        I see nengard, you wanted a button for the nuclear option
13:10 nengard     yes!!
13:10 nengard     i just said have 1000+ things to read :) once in a while i just wipe it all out!
13:10 nengard     and start fresh
13:12 owen        nengard: What if you click the "All items" link in the left-hand menu and "mark all as read" from there?
13:12 nengard     didn't try that - will try later
13:12 nengard     right now upgrading FF :)
13:13 * owen      should be doing that too
13:13 * owen      should also get back to fighting with Drupal
13:14 nengard     hate drupal!
13:14 nengard     i know i'm a bad open source educator - but i hate drupal!!!
13:14 owen        Drupal and I have a tense but productive relationship
13:15 nengard     convincing one of my associations to switch from drupal to wp cause i hate it so much and don't want to manage it anymore
13:16 nengard     and just to go back - 188 bugs in that list!!!! NOOOOOO :(
13:17 nengard     keey trying to find bugs I can fix to make the list less daunting, but i just don't have all the knowledge i need yet :(
13:17 owen        I'm with you there
13:17 owen        I would really like to see more people working from that bug list
13:18 nengard     yeah - although I am seeing a good number that are marked as patch sent, so we just need them pushed/tested/and closed
13:19 nengard     that will lessen the list some
13:20 nengard     owen maybe you have an idea for bug 4068
13:20 munin       04Bug http://bugs.koha-community.org/bugzilla3/show_bug.cgi?id=4068 major, P5, ---, henridamien, NEW, Accepting a suggestion hides 'pending' tab
13:21 * jdavidb   bounces around happily.
13:21 nengard     and maybe bug 3969
13:21 munin       04Bug http://bugs.koha-community.org/bugzilla3/show_bug.cgi?id=3969 major, P5, ---, henridamien, NEW, Budget Search Doesn't Work
13:21 nengard     what's up jdavidb???
13:22 jdavidb     Just heard from my prosthetics shop; I'm getting a new artificial leg, and insurance is paying 100%.
13:22 nengard     WOO HOO!!!
13:22 nengard     love when insurance actually comes through
13:23 owen        jdavidb: Will it have racing stripes?
13:23 nengard     hehe
13:23 jdavidb     This is a Very Good Thing--my old one doesn't fit right, and it's coming apart.  This will be an upgrade--better shock-absorber built in, and adjustable-heel-height foot.
13:24 jdavidb     Got an appointment this afternoon for them to make a mold of me, to build the interface for it.
13:25 jdavidb     owen: I know people who have taken t-shirt decorations and molded them into the plastic of the leg, as a "tattoo".
13:27 nengard     i know i ask this everything, but can someone remind me how to tell someone something later in IRC?
13:27 jdavidb     at-later tell <nick> <message>, I think
13:28 nengard     @later tell wizzyrea can you add screenshots to this: http://bugs.koha-community.org/bugzilla3/show_bug.cgi?id=3265
13:28 munin       nengard: The operation succeeded.
13:28 munin       04Bug 3265: major, P5, ---, gmcharlt, ASSIGNED, LOST status not  changed after issued item is checked in
13:28 nengard     worked :)
13:28 jdavidb     looks like I remembered it right.
13:36 owen        nengard: I'll try to take a look at those bugs later today
13:43 schuster    So I'm looking at bug 3500
13:43 munin       04Bug http://bugs.koha-community.org/bugzilla3/show_bug.cgi?id=3500 enhancement, PATCH-Sent, ---, chris, NEW, New Circulation, patron, fines, other granular permissions
13:43 schuster    How can we determine if it actually is in 3.2 or if it is going to 3.4?
13:44 jwagner     schuster, according to the page Galen & Chris set up, it's still slated for 3.4 -- http://wiki.koha-community.org/wiki/PTFSHarleyIntegration
13:45 gmcharlt_   schuster: jwagner is correct
13:46 schuster    OK just reading the "enhancement" and a patch is "ready" so trying to figure out where these things fall and when things can be closed.  confused...:) as normal.
15:16 nengard     okay i've gone over the list of major+ bugs 10 times now and I can't find any I have the skills to fix
15:36 * chris_n`  glares at chris_n
15:36 chris_n`    and says "Get to work over there."
15:37 kf          :)
15:42 brendan     BIG GOAL there
15:42 brendan     USA in stoppage time
16:15 kf          bug or feature: patron search only shows patrons from my library?
16:15 wizzyrea    bug
16:15 kf          I turned independantbranches on and off and got the same result
16:16 kf          sure?
16:16 wizzyrea    yea, we've talked about it before
16:16 wizzyrea    with indybranches it should my library only
16:16 wizzyrea    with non-indy it should default to the whole patron db
16:16 kf          ah ok
16:17 kf          is there a bug?
16:17 wizzyrea    it seems to be related to the patron search box near the [+]
16:17 wizzyrea    it's picking up the limits when it's not supposed to
16:17 hdl         wizzyrea: if it is owed to that.
16:17 kf          ah yes
16:17 kf          it defaults to my library
16:17 hdl         I sent someone a patch about that.
16:17 wizzyrea    ya
16:18 wizzyrea    It's sort of coming back to me
16:18 wizzyrea    (lots of water under the bridge in wizzyrea land)
16:18 wizzyrea    (a lot's happened in the last few weeks)
16:18 hdl         Is there a bug filed about that ?
16:18 wizzyrea    I thought there was, let me look
16:18 hdl         It is already fixed on our master.
16:19 kf          did not find it
16:19 kf          hdl: I still see some problems with suggestions in acq and I was not able to create a pdf file, will test more tomorrow
16:20 kf          we started documenting acq and serials in German
16:21 hdl         9a02771f7dcebccf4121520c343c9c858f020ddb on git.biblibre.com/koha_biblibre.git
16:23 nengard     kf are you updating the manual in git with your documentation? or are you writing something different?
16:23 nengard     if you're writing something different, make sure we get a link to it so we can put it on the koha site
16:23 kf          something different traning materials, no translation
16:24 wizzyrea    hdl: I"m not seeing the bug
16:24 nengard     kf we have this page for stuff like that: http://koha-community.org/documentation/other-docs/
16:24 nengard     if you want it linked
16:24 wizzyrea    listed... let me look one more place
16:24 nengard     language doesn't matter
16:24 kf          nengard: http://wiki.bsz-bw.de/doku.php?id=l-team:koha:koha-handbuch:start
16:24 nengard     cool
16:24 nengard     what should I title it?
16:25 nengard     training materials?
16:25 hdl         nengard°°
16:25 hdl         nengard++
16:25 nengard     :)
16:25 hdl         sorry
16:25 kf          I used something like german koha handbook, its directed to our libraries, no administration
16:25 hdl         kf++
16:26 kf          there are some things special because they work with our union catalog, no cataloging happens in koha
16:27 nengard     cool - added - http://koha-community.org/documentation/other-docs/
16:27 kf          cool .)
16:27 kf          :)
16:28 kf          thx nengard++
16:28 nengard     np
16:57 kf          ok, time to go - bye all
18:02 cait        hi #koha
18:11 rhcl        Hi cait
18:11 cait        hi rhcl
19:47 chris_n     @wunder 28334
19:47 munin       chris_n: The current temperature in Dunn, North Carolina is 37.1�C (3:36 PM EDT on June 23, 2010). Conditions: Scattered Clouds. Humidity: 5%. Dew Point: -9.0�C. Pressure: 29.68 in 1005.0 hPa (Steady).  Heat advisory in effect until 7 PM EDT this evening... 
19:47 * chris_n   considers frying eggs on the sidewalk for supper
19:47 owen        @wunder 45701
19:47 munin       owen: The current temperature in Ohio University, Athens, Ohio is 30.6�C (3:45 PM EDT on June 23, 2010). Conditions: Clear. Humidity: 60%. Dew Point: 22.0�C. Pressure: 29.83 in 1010.0 hPa (Falling).
19:48 * owen      hates the heat
19:55 zevlag      @wunder 84523
19:55 munin       zevlag: The current temperature in Castle Dale, Utah is 29.8�C (1:27 PM MDT on June 23, 2010). Conditions: Clear. Humidity: 11%. Dew Point: -4.0�C. Pressure: 24.27 in 821.8 hPa (Falling).
19:55 zevlag      @wunder 84501
19:55 munin       zevlag: The current temperature in Castle Dale, Utah is 29.8�C (1:27 PM MDT on June 23, 2010). Conditions: Clear. Humidity: 11%. Dew Point: -4.0�C. Pressure: 24.27 in 821.8 hPa (Falling).
20:08 jdavidb     howdy, #koha.
20:08 wizzyrea    heya
20:11 cait        hi jdavidb!
20:29 richard     hi
20:31 pianohack   Hey
20:36 chris       morning
20:37 pianohack   morning
20:38 pianohack   lazyweb question: anyone around here using a macbook?
20:38 pianohack   looking quite tempting for a college laptop
20:38 cait        morning chris, hi pianohacker
20:39 wizzyrea    I have a macbook
20:39 pianohack   hi cait
20:39 pianohack   wizzyrea: What kind?
20:39 gmcharlt_   pianohack: I do as well, and I'd endorse it for college
20:39 wizzyrea    15in MBP
20:39 wizzyrea    me too
20:39 wizzyrea    (endorse it for college)
20:39 wizzyrea    esp for a coder
20:40 pianohack   cool
20:40 pianohack   I'll probably dual-boot it on ubuntu, but glad for the endorsement
20:40 wizzyrea    (virtualbox runs like a champ, and an equivalent PC laptop will probably cost more anyway)
20:40 chris       ill be the lone naysayer :)
20:40 wizzyrea    yea, chris doesn't like macs
20:40 wizzyrea    :)
20:40 pianohack   Hehe
20:41 wizzyrea    it's ok, nobody's perfect ;)
20:41 chris       i dont like apple
20:41 wizzyrea    I tease bc I love
20:41 pianohack   ah
20:41 chris       because they are bad wrong and evil
20:41 pianohack   What, the overbearing evil empire tactics put you on edge?
20:41 chris       and rms told me i had to point that out to my friends :)
20:42 wizzyrea    hehe
20:42 pianohack   Anyway, have to run, but thanks all
20:43 chris       cya pianohack
21:29 cait        good night all
21:38 brendan     pianohack why'd you lose the 'er ?
21:41 jdavidb     name width limit, brendan.
21:41 brendan     oh
21:42 * jdavidb   is off to take the early evening catnap.  see y'all 'round
23:10 larsw       chris, chilts, robin: would you be able to suggest a good (reliable, but non-expensive) travel agent in Wellington?
23:11 robin       larsw: I've used House of Travel in Dunedin in the past, found them to be effective, I imagine there's an office in wgtn. I haven't really shopped around though.
23:11 chris       i usually find my flights on the intermanet
23:11 chris       and then write down the flight numbers
23:12 chris       and go into the flightcentre
23:12 chris       and say 'i want these ones'
23:12 chilts      yeah, FlightCentre or STA ... but they all have their own annoyances
23:12 chilts      like a surcharge when paying by credit card
23:12 robin       yeah, it depends what you want. For flying to and from somewhere, I'll do it myself, if I'm booking a more complex trip I'll use the agent.
23:12 chris       they never actually seem to know the best deals, so i look them up before hand
23:12 chris       and then get them to book it :)
23:12 chilts      I think I'll do what Chris does next time
23:12 chilts      though sometimes they have deals you can't get on the internet or at a particular time
23:13 chris       yeah, its nice to have an idea of what it should cost before you go in though
23:13 larsw       I'd book online except we are having a somewhat complicated trip to New York, via multiple places, and that'll be horrible to optimize online, based on past experience
23:13 chris       *nod*
23:14 larsw       so... FlightCentre or STA, I'll go find those, thanks :)
23:14 chris       we usually go to pittsburgh via a few places, but i usually know what flight i want to get to LA
23:14 chris       and tell them that bit, and let them work out the rest
23:14 chris       :)
23:14 chris       house of travel i used when i was at liblime
23:14 chris       they were ok
23:15 chris       but i use flightcentre for my personal stuff
23:15 chris       certainly they seem to be able to get much better deals on accomodation
23:15 chris       than you can do via the web