Time Nick Message 23:47 larsw haha 23:47 * chris_n ducks 23:47 chris_n how about Librarian's Information Entry System aka LIES 23:45 pianohac2 It should be different in each document, to keep the librarians alert 23:44 pianohac2 consistent wording is boring 23:35 larsw OPAC is Open Public Access Catalog; STAFF is Secret Tool And Fiddling Facility... that should be clear enough for everyone 23:34 chris it works for opus 23:33 chris library staff 23:32 robin chris: that doesn't work inside a company: everyone is staff 23:29 larsw oh, that's short and clear 23:29 chris usually 23:28 chris i say staff side 23:28 larsw . o O (/me dares not suggest Librarian Interface Web) 23:27 larsw I've seen and used "intranet" in a few places 23:26 robin OK Koha people, we need a snappy term for the librarian side of the system, like OPAC is for the client side. I'm sick of writing synonyms for 'librarian interface' :) 23:00 pianohac1 Anyone using Koha with the latest ubuntu? 22:49 Brooke pfft thank me when I do summat :P 22:49 chris thanks Brooke 22:49 Brooke cheers folks, feel free to assign me gopher duties 22:49 reed oh bloody hell 22:47 Brooke yank to kiwi filtre, engage! 22:46 chris reed: you can be our american translator 22:46 BobB Must go now. Cheers. 22:45 BobB Will do that by email Chris. Thx. 22:45 chris and ill add you 22:45 chris BobB: if you ahve a google login and want to see the programme lemme know 22:44 Brooke I'm getting more psyched the closer it gets 22:44 BobB Thanks all. Its sounding good. 22:44 Brooke thanks jo 22:44 chris cya jo 22:44 jo agenda to get out 22:44 jo thanks folks - i have to dash 22:44 chris heh 22:42 Brooke someone sent a message about the translation 22:42 Brooke okay 22:41 chris :) 22:41 chris but apart from that, no 22:41 chris you are running the sausage sizzle 22:41 reed (er - get anything assigned to me?) 22:40 reed (so, meant to be present for the kohacon thing -- did I miss anything?) 22:40 chris i think pretty much everything else is under control .. anyone have anything else? 22:39 chris fab 22:39 BobB chris: I'll ask Irma to do that if you like. 22:38 BobB chris: too cool for school! 22:38 chris and get ppl to fill it in 22:38 chris maybe someone could send an email out about that page 22:38 Brooke sping! 22:38 chris http://wiki.koha-community.org/wiki/Kohacon10_Translators 22:35 BobB Jo: Irma's idea. But thx. 22:35 jo thats a great idea Bob :) 22:35 chris and ask people to fill it in 22:35 chris cool, how about we do a page on the wiki 22:34 BobB Irma can help with French and German, for example 22:34 chris i think with paul and irma we have french covered :) 22:34 chris so that if we do need help we have an idea who to ask 22:33 chris i think it would be nice if we got a list of who speaks what 22:33 chris but 22:33 chris i dont think so 22:33 chris not sure on both accounts 22:33 chris hmmm 22:33 BobB Also, will anyone need language support at the conference? 22:32 BobB Irma asks whether any translations are needed? 22:30 chris after we get the programme up and do some publicity, im sure we will get a flurry 22:30 chris but yeah, free conferences ppl are always slow to register 22:29 BobB Hmmmm. OK. 22:28 chris nope 22:28 chris lemme check 22:28 BobB Any registered yet, Chris? 22:27 BobB When the program is out CALYX will start promoting to customers and interested others. We hope some Aussies will cross the ditch. 22:26 Brooke yes m 22:25 jo if I only get 3 or 4 I'll just use my own car 22:25 jo Brooke: I need to confirm the booking on 30th June so really do need reistrations in the next fortnight 22:25 chris cool 22:25 BobB Chris: on Qantas using points, I think. 22:24 chris cya russ 22:24 Brooke watch the food! That's the infamous Richard airline sorta 22:24 jo cya Russ 22:24 russ thanks everyone 22:24 * russ has to go 22:24 chris BobB: nice, yeah on virginblue? 22:24 jo Bob: that would be by far the easist for you 22:24 russ once I have talked to her i will publish the next meeting time 22:24 jo Brooke: yep :) 22:24 BobB Jo: OK. Sounds like Irma and I can come direct to Wellington. 22:24 russ Next Meeting time: I want to confirm with nicole when she is availble 22:23 Brooke <--- is keen, and must show Jo the money! 22:23 jo and Mark from Albany has access to a second van if we need more seats 22:23 jo Bob: I know of 6 or so who are keen 22:23 chris its 95% overseas 22:23 jo Chris: ok 22:23 chris thats not counting quite a few ppl i know are coing 22:23 jo I'm planning 12 in a van with a trailer for luggage. 22:23 russ Goal is to publish programme as soon as possible 22:23 chris jo: bout 45 at the mo 22:22 russ Call for papers closed - programme full - Chris, Russ and Nicole will coordinate contacting presenters 22:22 chris russ: sweet 22:22 jo Bob: I have 1 confirmed. 22:22 BobB Jo: how are the numbers for the roadtrip? Will you fit on one bus? 22:22 russ ok to recap 22:22 jo Russ: cool. 22:21 russ they won't be using their gear during the day 22:21 Brooke so good job somebody and or the dude's own research 22:21 jo how are registrations going Chris? 22:21 russ i am going to talk to a couple of mates in bands here 22:21 jo :) 22:21 Brooke and it was already there 22:21 Brooke I went to check it out 22:21 russ jo: if you know anyone with radio mics/speakers/sound desk 22:21 Brooke Wellllll 22:21 Brooke that's even remotely LIS 22:21 chris oh yeah 22:21 Brooke that has like every conference every where 22:21 Brooke a long time ago when animals could talk, I offered to see if I could get us listed on this amazing Library Conference site 22:20 Brooke but em 22:20 Brooke or noticed 22:20 Brooke dunno if anyone said this 22:20 chris av gear is what we need 22:20 russ i think we are done 22:20 jo Are we done now or what else needs to be covered? 22:20 russ we have some stuff here 22:20 russ jo: send me an email 22:20 russ sorry team i have to head off to another meeting 22:20 jo Russ: do want to know about equipment ie that I have a prohjector and screen I can bring down? 22:19 jo but I will bear that advice in mind 22:18 jo Thanks Brooke - I';ve got a travel agent on it and her prices were miles better than I could get 22:18 Brooke those guys often offer group discounts that are higher than online rates, and it's a pet peeve 22:18 jo What else do we need to cover now? 22:18 Brooke if you want help hotel wrangling, I'll help 22:18 pianohac1 Hi Brooke 22:17 jo bit of a glitch with the hotel rooms lost but lining up a different one now (and prices went up too much so I'm calm about the change) 22:17 Brooke exactly 22:17 Brooke *nod* 22:16 BobB So ask now and if no go ask again in July. 22:16 jo Brooke: council run July - June 22:16 Brooke that can often have a lot to do with donations and sponsorships? 22:16 Brooke what's their fiscal year? 22:16 jo KohaCon registrations and financial commitment is open now. 22:16 jo hi Jesse 22:15 chris true 22:15 Brooke hey there jesse 22:15 jo i think so - i hoped so but you never can tell with council's 22:15 BobB Jo: very nice! 22:15 chris nice 22:15 jo Word is our council will be sponsoring the reception up our way 22:14 Brooke ++ russ, it's good to see real cooperation 22:14 chris might help out with that 22:14 chris tourism wellington, or wotzon.com 22:14 chris BobB: good idea 22:14 russ thanks again to tall teh sponsors 22:14 BobB I guess WCC is the city council? They might help you with tourist info or other stuff if we will try to put a satchel together? 22:14 russ chris: agreed 22:14 chris Brooke: yeah, exactly 22:13 chris jo: yeah we'll be fine 22:13 Brooke they'll come out 9 rounds ahead if you ask me, at least. 22:13 jo well it looks like we'll be okayish 22:13 chris jo: i doubt it 22:13 chris http://thelibrary.co.nz/ 22:12 jo digital innovation / initiatoive / busineees house money around from WCC? 22:12 BobB chris: beer for me thanks. :) 22:12 jo True.would there be any WCC money or 22:12 chris seems foolish not to ask them to sponsor a round 22:11 chris also the library bar here in wellington 22:11 jo russ: cool. 22:11 jo I'd love to see a few libraries donating too - not heaps - but a token. everyone knows conferences cost to run 22:11 BobB chris: great idea 22:11 russ and i will contact them closer to the time 22:11 russ jo: cash - which is fine, there are some other orgs who have indicated they can help in other ways 22:10 chris if they would donate a couple of copies of her book 22:10 chris i was thinking to ask nicole to ask her publisher 22:10 jo for cash or services? 22:10 russ but it all appears to be in hand 22:10 russ I have been turned down by 2 other orgs (at the moment :-)) 22:09 chris and maybe tamil 22:09 jo but will be next budget now 22:09 jo I am planning to give $500 from HLT as well 22:09 chris those are the ones i know about 22:08 chris right, so to come - biblibre, catalyst and lee from montana 22:08 chris and frederic from tamil was offering some sponsorship, which would allow for some morning teas, ill follow up with him on that 22:08 jo Donations recd from: Bywater, Magnes, Calyx, Miguel and Equinox 22:07 jo great 22:07 chris yep catalyst is covering that 22:07 russ jo: i know there is still a contribution to come in 22:07 jo a final payment of $2092 will be due on 25/09 and we will be bit a bit short for that one. 22:07 chris some of that is earmarked i think too, the stuff from lee anyway 22:07 Brooke ++ 22:07 chris cool 22:06 jo next payment is $1046 on the 25th July so thats covered 22:06 jo we have $2280.66 still in the nbank 22:06 russ jo: yep 22:06 jo Finances now? 22:05 jo k 22:05 chris i have one 22:05 jo Bob: great topic 22:05 jo is there a list of registratnts received already 22:05 chris yeah its a timely and good topic 22:04 BobB If you want the paper, I'm happy to do it. 22:04 russ and then start the registration drive 22:04 jo or headaches for lack of sleep thanks to ratbag twins, 1 of which stayed up very late and the other got up very earlytwin 22:04 chris BobB: we are going to be emailing speakers over the next 2 weeks, to confirm they can still do their talks, you are good to go with yours? 22:04 russ the plan is to get some info up on the site early july 22:03 russ jo: yeah 22:03 jo lots of NZ-soccer hangovers today 22:03 Brooke indeed beat me to it :D 22:03 BobB Good morning all. Well done NZ for draw with Slovakia. Very exciting. 22:03 chris we can ask bob right now, save an email :) 22:03 jo that might generate more registrations too 22:02 russ and then we can start publishing to the website 22:02 jo hi Bob 22:02 chris heya BobB 22:02 Brooke LITA's schedule was great in terms of how they made it fold behind a namebadge. Not so great in terms of font size. 22:02 chris cool 22:02 russ ok so plan is to contact the presenters in the next 2 weeks, get them to confirm 22:01 Brooke *nod* 22:01 jo yep 22:01 russ heh 22:01 chris cos hallwaycon is the most important part 22:01 jo good idea 22:01 russ chris: nicole has offered to help with the emailing the presenters 22:01 chris yeah i tried not to make the days too crammed 22:01 chris anyone who wants to see it, lemme know your google account email address and ill add ya 22:01 jo and lots of time for networking and talking too 22:00 jo the programme looks good 22:00 russ np 22:00 Brooke howdy sorry I'm late 22:00 chris yay its Brooke :) 22:00 jo waves 22:00 chris have some neat talks 22:00 chris but its looking pretty good 22:00 chris then ill get more ppl to check the programme, we might shuffle some things around 21:59 chris next step is emailing all the people and confirming they can/are still coming 21:59 russ excellnet 21:59 jo brillliant :) 21:59 chris so thats great 21:59 chris and we are totally filled up 21:59 chris calls for talks closed last night nz time 21:59 chris ill do a quick run down on the programme 21:58 Nate Great will do! 21:58 chris you can point out when our schemes are mad Nate :) 21:58 jo can you make coffee? 21:58 Nate can I be of any assistance? 21:58 chris sweet thanks 21:58 jo sorry just getting update on fuinances 21:58 chris cool 21:57 jo yep 21:57 chris jo ? 21:57 russ be a nice quick meeting then :-) 21:57 russ and fair enough 21:57 chris jo was about 21:57 chris it might be just you and me as nicole is on the road and most of nz is asleep after watching football all night 21:56 * russ -> Russel Garlick, Catalyst 21:56 chris me 21:56 russ first up - who is here for the meeting 21:56 russ KohaCon10 volunteers meeting starting now 21:56 chris cool 21:56 russ ok start time 21:52 russ 3 mins to KohaCon volunteers meeting 21:08 LBA okay, happy to lurk. 21:08 chris its the kohacon volunteers meeting, so not a full community one 21:08 LBA by accident :-[ 21:07 chris cool 21:07 LBA chris, yes, I'll be here. 21:02 chris LBA: gonna stick round for the meeting in 50 minutes or so? 20:54 cait night LBA 20:54 LBA nighty night cait 20:53 * LBA applauds. got three channels going. 20:53 cait good night #koha 20:53 chris hi jo 20:51 jo hiya 20:50 pianohack Hi, lowercase jo 20:47 jwagner G'night, all.... 20:43 * LBA back later 20:43 LBA welllll, guess, I'll go out and see if I can do it the other way around. I'm trapped on this server so far.... 20:39 chris hmm that seems to work 20:39 moodaepo LBA: Works for me on Ubuntu I'm connected to koha and evergreen on diff servers 20:38 LBA that's what I thought but it isn't working for me 20:37 * chris tries 20:37 chris LBA: you should be able to just make another 'account' 20:36 LBA hi chris. pidgin won't let me start up another channel on another server... 20:36 jwagner Terrific. Will look forward to it :-) 20:36 chris jwagner: yep, something like htat 20:36 chris LBA: if you plan to use irc a bit, i recommend looking into something like bip 20:36 jwagner In the patron record, like a radio button or something? 20:35 chris it'll be a simple as a switch, basicaly its a one time login switch 20:35 chris if you set it 20:35 jwagner When we load patron data & set a default password, it would be nice to make them change it 20:35 chris yep 20:35 jwagner Will that also take effect for when patrons are created/loaded for the first time? 20:34 jwagner GREAT 20:34 chris exactly like that 20:34 chris yep 20:34 jwagner Like if staff resets a password, the next time the patron logs into the OPAC they have to change it? 20:34 chris the temporary ones? yep 20:34 jwagner Just a followup on that patron password you were talking about -- for 3.4, is it going to have the ability to force a password change? 20:33 chris LBA: yeah you can 20:33 chris sup jwagner 20:33 chris back 20:29 wizzyrea hi richard 20:29 richard hi 20:29 wizzyrea I think you can 20:22 LBA at the same time... 20:22 LBA anyone know if I can connect to two different IRC servers/channels using Pidgin? 20:15 wizzyrea :D 20:15 LBA good! getting the hang of the world of IRC - it rocks! 20:14 wizzyrea how you doin today 20:14 LBA yo 20:14 wizzyrea heya LBA 20:09 jwagner chris, back yet? 19:50 cait hm will think about it tomorrow 19:48 cait because with fine interval 5 and grace period 0 the first fine is set five days after due date 19:48 cait and Im testing with negative grace periods now... I really hope it worked 19:47 cait because we have weekly fine intervals and you want to tell them: you have x fines on your books now 19:47 jwagner Ah. That's a different issue. I don't know of any development along those lines, but it shouldn't be too hard to do. We did something similar for hold expiration, so the pickup expiration date didn't fall on a calendar holiday 19:46 cait when there is a holiday in the week it gets out of sync 19:46 cait with weekly fine interval, fines work nice, but notices are a problem 19:46 cait I have to time fines and notices to the same day 19:45 jwagner Hmmm. I'm not sure I see the reasoning. If it's overdue, why not send the notice even if it's a holiday? they can always wait to check their email until the next day. 19:45 cait like fines 19:45 cait send it on the next opening day instead 19:45 cait exactly 19:44 jwagner cait, in what sense? Not to send an overdue on a holiday date? 19:44 wizzyrea but I will back up all the same 19:44 * chris_n hands wizzyrea a pair of safety glasses 19:44 wizzyrea hehe, my koha install is really nothing to write home about 19:44 cait is there development to make odue notices listen to the calendar/holidays? 19:43 * jwagner reminds wizzyrea that backups are a Good Thing 19:43 wizzyrea ^.^ 19:43 wizzyrea <.< 19:43 wizzyrea >.> 19:43 jwagner wizzyrea, need some help? I feel like doing that too :-) 19:43 wizzyrea where stuff = my koha install 19:43 wizzyrea sorry. 19:43 wizzyrea stuff. 19:43 wizzyrea er 19:43 wizzyrea ok wish me luck I'm about to blow shit up. 19:43 chris_n I think the problem with 3.0.x is a data formatting issue 19:43 jwagner Hmmm. I thought I remembered a specific patch, but it's been a while. I'll dig deeper when I get a chance. 19:42 wizzyrea someone was in here yesterday asking about 3.0.6 and not being able to search by acq date 19:42 * chris_n heads back off to finish an estimate.. yuk 19:42 chris_n but it works in the current head afaik 19:42 chris ok bus time 19:42 jwagner chris, yes, that would be a nice feature. 19:42 chris_n jwagner: I never could find the bug either 19:42 wizzyrea luv 19:42 chris along with temporary passwords 19:41 jwagner Speaking of labels, though, I remember a bug from early last year with searching by acquisition date in creating a batch. I know it was fixed, but I can't find the bug report. Ring any bells for anyone? 19:41 wizzyrea sorry, that came off less excited than i actually was 19:41 wizzyrea ! 19:41 cait nice 19:41 wizzyrea wahoo 19:41 chris thats what i suggested, and yep it will be in 3.4 19:41 wizzyrea but that's diff from emailing the password 19:41 chris yes thats fine 19:41 wizzyrea just sayin 19:41 wizzyrea ok, a password recovery function might be useful 19:40 jwagner If the client insists, and pays us to do it, we'll do it. But we REALLY STRONGLY pointed out to them that it was a Bad Idea, and were quite glad to be able to kill it in the end. 19:40 chris_n but the template code does not accommodate that layout type atm 19:40 cait oooh 19:40 chris 'how about no?' 19:40 chris we want to be able to email ppl their lost passwords 19:40 chris_n jwagner: the "alternating" layout type is part of the vestigial stuff 19:40 chris heh ive had that one 19:40 jwagner cait, go stand in a corner! 19:39 cait clear passswords? 19:39 jwagner Actually, that by itself wouldn't be a problem, but some of the OTHER stuff they want to do.... 19:39 * chris_n thinks most anything can be done... its just a question of buffer overrun 19:38 jwagner shhhh. Let's not encourage them :-) 19:38 chris_n jwagner: it could certainly be done, however 19:38 jwagner Thanks, chris_n, just wanted to verify current functionality 19:38 wizzyrea it was def a facepalm moment. 19:38 wizzyrea i mean, they're clearly marked in the OPAC 19:38 chris_n jwagner: there were some vestigial capabilities like that in the very old labels code, but they did not work well and I have not had time to add such to the new code 19:38 wizzyrea what's the harm in showing your patrons that you have another copy, in your professional collection, that you don't loan? 19:37 chris yeah 19:37 wizzyrea we're like, why? 19:37 chris ummm 19:37 wizzyrea so patrons can't see that they have them 19:37 wizzyrea but they want to hide these items from the opac 19:37 wizzyrea they are marked not for loan 19:37 wizzyrea we have a library that has a collection of kids books (duplicate to their normal collection) just for storytime 19:36 wizzyrea lol 19:36 chris if i cant press f8 on this page, god kills a kitten 19:36 chris yeah, it really is pretty amazing eh jwagner 19:36 jwagner I am running out of astonishment capacity for what various librarians think are absolutely necessary processes.... 19:35 chris my favourite clients are always the ones who realise a new library system is the perfect time to examine their business practices and decide if things make sense, or if they are just doing things cos thats how they do things 19:34 chris heh 19:34 wizzyrea er, odd. 19:34 wizzyrea I'm glad to know that I don't have the only really crazy workflows in my system :) 19:34 wizzyrea aha 19:34 wizzyrea I agree with that sentiment. 19:33 jwagner It's for a site with a very odd workflow. Before we go back & say "you're going to have to change your workflow" I wanted to verify existing options. 19:33 chris and realise some things just arent 19:33 wizzyrea ya 19:33 chris ie, lets do things because they are good ideas 19:33 chris not that they did it 19:33 chris and thats the reason to do it 19:33 chris they might do things well 19:33 wizzyrea (imo) 19:32 wizzyrea well, they do some things very well, but the very best ILS fits the product to the librarian, not the librarian to the product (which is what sirsi did very well... making people's workflow match the ils, not the other way around) 19:31 chris i for one am sick of that as a reason for doing things 19:31 wizzyrea or iii 19:31 wizzyrea ;) 19:31 wizzyrea sirsi did it? 19:31 wizzyrea lemme guess... 19:31 chris and might be solving a problem that doesnt need to be solved 19:30 wizzyrea the templating bit seems to be predicated on the same format being replicated on every label on the sheet 19:30 chris but yeah,having a template that has 2 different types of labels on it ... might be possible, but sounds like something that is far more likely to go wrong than right 19:30 chris you can do same batch for different templates 19:30 wizzyrea but what do I know 19:29 wizzyrea well it seems rather like a relatively fringe scenario to me 19:29 jwagner I didn't remember ever hearing about that capability, but I might not have beenpaying attention.... 19:28 wizzyrea hm, I think you can do something like use the same batch for different templates, but I'm not sure you can do both on the same sheet 19:27 jwagner I imagine they want to print, say, a spine label and a back-of-book label at the same time. 19:27 wizzyrea I have a 3.2 test server if you'd like to play around with it. 19:26 wizzyrea jwagner: i'm not sure, actually. It seems fairly flexible but I'm having a hard time visualizing what exact type of output you/they are looking for 19:25 wizzyrea hmm 19:25 jwagner That's more than I have :-) Question from one of our sites -- does it have the ability to print set of labels -- 2 disparate label types on the same sheet of label paper 19:24 wizzyrea some 19:24 jwagner Apparently not :-( wizzyrea, have you played with his label feature? 19:24 chrisd jwagner. Thanks for the help 19:22 jwagner chris_n, online? 19:22 chrisd ok. I'll check back another time. I'm just playing around to see what it can do. :-) 19:20 jwagner Hrmm. We probably need jdavidb's input, and he's off work today. 19:20 wizzyrea not judgin, just sayin. 19:19 * wizzyrea notes that harley is the ptfs only release, and that all mainline koha releases are done through download.koha-community.org 19:18 chrisd No luck...bummer 19:13 chrisd let me try..hold on a sec. i'll make a change and run rebuild_zebra 19:12 jwagner If you make any kind of edit to one of the hidden titles, and wait for zebra to pick it up, does the title then show in the OPAC? 19:12 chrisd Didn't work... :-( 19:11 chrisd I'm going to try to shut the OPACItemholds off and see what happens. 19:09 jwagner Well, that wasn't it.... We have an item suppression feature that makes use of subfield i in the item record -- if all items on a title are marked as suppressed, the title is also suppressed in the OPAC. However, your items don't have a 952 subfield i. Nor do you have a 942 title suppression that I can see. I'm puzzled... 19:03 chrisd i'm sending it right now 19:03 jwagner I have an idea, then, but I need to see the item data to confirm 19:02 chrisd yes i can see the titles in staff mode 19:01 jwagner Forgot to ask, you can search & see these titles in staff mode? 18:58 chrisd ok 18:58 jwagner Do an export from your Koha system under Tools, so I can see all the item info that's there now. 18:57 chrisd i'm working on getting the item records. 18:57 chrisd same branches. We have multiple branches but the mulivolume sets (items) are usually all at the same branch. 18:55 jwagner multiple items, that is 18:55 jwagner I just verified on one of our test systems, and titles with multiple titles show up fine. Are these for different branches? Do you have independent branches on maybe? 18:52 jwagner I don't think it would have to do with that syspref, but I'll take a look 18:52 jwagner attach the MARC records to email -- jwagner@ptfs.com 18:51 chrisd Be glad to. How do you want me to send them? Also, I was wondering if it might have something to do with OPACITEMHOLDS 18:50 jwagner Definitely odd -- I've never seen that one in testing. Maybe you could send me a couple of sample records (one single, one multiple)? 18:49 chrisd yeah, all the titles with only one item show up fine...weird 18:49 jwagner But other titles do show up OK? 18:49 chrisd The title 18:48 jwagner Do you mean the title itself doesn't show in the OPAC? or just the items? 18:48 chrisd I dont' have it public. I'm on a local test server 18:47 jwagner Shouldn't be -- URL for an example? 18:47 chrisd Just wanted to pick your brains here. I've been playing with the Harley Release and all the records that have multiple items attached are not showing up in the OPAC. All the other records are showing up fine. Is this possibly a setting? 18:45 * chris wanders off to get ready for work, bbiab 18:45 chrisd Hi there 18:45 chris morning 18:40 jwagner Hi hdl -- cait was afraid we had scared you off 18:39 hdl hi cait 18:39 cait wb hdl 18:32 jwagner Oh, well.... 18:32 cait we scared hdl away 18:29 munin jwagner: Karma for "XSLT" has been increased 2 times and decreased 3 times for a total karma of -1. 18:29 jwagner @karma XSLT 18:29 jwagner XSLT-- 18:29 jwagner And while we're at it.... 18:28 cait jsp-- 18:28 jwagner It deserves it! 18:28 cait ooh poor css 18:28 cait my html is outdated too :) html5 is not int he course yet 18:28 jwagner So There! 18:28 jwagner css-- 18:27 munin jwagner: css has neutral karma. 18:27 jwagner @karma css 18:27 munin cait: Karma for "jsp" has been increased 0 times and decreased 5 times for a total karma of -5. 18:27 cait @karma jsp 18:27 munin cait: Karma for "java" has been increased 0 times and decreased 1 time for a total karma of -1. 18:27 cait @karma java 18:23 jwagner And the basic HTML I do know was learned back in the early days and is now completely outdated. Most of the commands I use are now deprecated. Sigh. 18:22 jwagner I think it has that effect on everyone. But CSS _really_ is incomprehensible to me. 18:19 cait I like html and css... but java makes me harrumph ;) 18:16 jwagner (I seem to have a mental block about understanding HTML and CSS....) 18:15 jwagner Oh, good. You can be our backup to owen for all the OPAC questions :-) 18:14 cait my current course is about html/css and javaserver pages 18:13 cait bachelor of science in the end... somewhere in the not so near future 18:13 cait Im doing a distance study computer science 18:05 jwagner What's the exam for -- certification? 18:03 jwagner me harrumphs in sympathy 17:57 * cait harrumphs 17:56 cait can only register for the real exam when I pass the online tests 17:55 cait stayed at home today to finish everything, deadline is at noon tomorrow 17:54 cait no 17:53 jwagner That doesn't sound like a fun way to spend the day ..... 17:53 cait not enough time to finish uml diagram :( *sigh* 17:53 cait i was alone here half of the day, but left some time ago to do my online exam for distance study 17:52 cait hi jwagner 17:52 jwagner Hi cait. Been a _real_ quiet day here.... 17:51 cait hi koha 13:23 nelsonlib Hey there, I'm looking for some help with the 'Add Item' function of the Batch Label Creator 13:06 cait albertos: hm, perhaps unimarc is differnet here, but it seems a bit strange to me 13:02 cait albertos: its very important for loan conditions 13:01 cait albertos: hm, itype should be a pulldown 12:53 albertos and its ok now 12:53 albertos to bind over items.itype 12:52 albertos i edited the subfield 12:52 albertos for the "r" field i was talking about before... 12:52 albertos ps. 12:47 cait not sure how to do it, perhaps one of the developers has an idea 12:47 albertos but there is a need now for displaying the full catalog 12:47 albertos yes... we do that also... 12:45 cait thts what I normally do 12:45 cait or if you have the marcorgcode in every title you can search for that 12:45 cait you can try and search on all item types 12:45 cait when you leave it blank, you get to adv search 12:45 cait hm I think no 12:41 albertos is there an analog in catalog? 12:41 albertos and displays everything 12:41 albertos i leave a blank field 12:41 albertos like in authorities 12:41 albertos i meant all biblios 12:41 albertos no.. 12:40 cait title = bibliographic information 12:39 cait there is no separate view for only items, they are always displayed below the title 12:38 cait all items are displayed at the title 12:38 cait not sure what you want to do 12:34 albertos all entries 12:34 albertos how can i display all items in my catalog in backend? 12:34 albertos simple question... that i cant find anywhere.. 12:33 albertos hi again... 12:10 albertos :-) 12:10 albertos and postback 12:10 albertos i' ll try to figure it 12:10 albertos i' 12:10 albertos ok 12:10 cait sorry :( 12:08 albertos 3.0.06 12:07 cait which koha version? 12:07 albertos normal field 12:07 albertos its in default 12:07 cait is it a pulldown or a normal field? 12:07 albertos did changed anything 12:07 cait no, dont think so. 12:07 cait koha to marc mapping? 12:06 albertos is it supposed to happen? 12:06 albertos cant find anything (till now) but i'll check again 12:06 cait perhaps there is something in the error logs? 12:06 albertos oh... 12:05 cait using marc21 :( 12:04 albertos any suggestions? 12:01 albertos yeap 12:00 cait unimarc? 11:59 albertos does anyone knows why this is happening? 11:59 albertos and we have to enter it again... 11:58 albertos that particular field... contains no data 11:58 albertos but when we edit that item... 11:58 albertos and save its ok 11:58 albertos so... when we fill it with data 11:58 albertos field "r - Type of item and material " is mandatory 11:58 albertos when i edit items in koha 11:57 albertos a question (again..) 11:57 cait hi albertos 11:57 albertos hi all again... 10:26 chris :) 10:26 chris 9999 is much bigger than 2008 10:25 chris the 008's for the records have bad values 10:25 chris thats why 10:25 chris 9999 10:24 chris http://granthalaya.org/cgi-bin/koha/opac-MARCdetail.pl?biblionumber=24077 10:24 cait ok, need to buy something for lunch bbl 10:24 cait ;) 10:24 cait ... 10:24 chris yep, 008 it is 10:23 chris but we need to check the version in 3.0.0 10:22 chris thats it 10:22 cait 337 pubdate Date-of-publication 10:22 cait 336 yr Date-of-publication 10:22 cait 335 #dp Date-of-publication 10:22 cait 334 Date-of-publication 1=pubdate r=r 10:22 cait 333 #which a document is published. 046, 533$d 10:22 cait 332 #Date-publication 31 The date (usually year) in 008/07-10, 260$c 10:22 cait in git: 10:21 cait ccl.properties? 10:19 kmkale in Search.pm there are no marc tags mentioned 10:19 kmkale ????? 10:18 chris yep, but how does yr get to be pubdate 10:18 kmkale ,Record-source:w:range(data,39,0) 10:18 kmkale in records.abs melm 008 date-entered-on-file:n:range(data,0,5),date-entered-on-file:s:range(data,0,5),pubdate:w:range(data,7,4),pubdate:n:range(data,7,4),pubdate:y:range(data,7,4),pubdate:s:range(data,7,4),pl:w:range(data,15,3),ta:w:range(data,22,1),ff8-23:w:range(data,23,1),ff8-29:w:range(data,29,1),lf:w:range(data,33,1),bio:w:range(data,34,1),ln:n:range(data,35,3),ctype:w:range(data,24,4) 10:17 chris so what we have to find out is what yr ends up as 10:16 chris yep 10:15 kmkale $indexes_set++; 10:15 kmkale $index .= ",st-numeric"; 10:15 kmkale if ( $index eq 'yr' ) { 10:15 kmkale chris: # Date of Publication 10:14 cait I think the pub year option in adv search works with 008. (3.1.61), 260 c can be problematic, not only numbers there 10:13 chris which might be the problem 10:13 cait or that 10:13 chris or perhaps nothing :) 10:11 cait chris: perhaps 008 10:11 kmkale looking 10:10 chris we have to find out what yr is mapped to 10:09 chris actually no ignore that 10:09 kmkale st-numeric looking.. 10:09 kmkale and my pub year is also mapped to 260$c 10:08 chris st-numeric .. what does that map to? 10:06 kmkale chris: ok. thanks. I have in records.abs "melm 260$c copydate,copydate:s" 10:02 chris you'll probably need to look at C4/Search.pm find what limit-yr maps to, then find out what marc field that maps to 10:01 chris not sure for 3.0.0 10:01 kmkale chris: look for pubdate? 10:00 chris kmkale: yeah 09:59 kmkale chris: record.abs? 09:58 zico i cannot see anything in circulation thing 09:58 zico is not there any solution?? 09:58 zico :( 09:58 chris you might need to check what field the yr is being mapped to 09:55 chris im guessing the indexes dont exist right then 09:55 kmkale chris: it does not work though. that search should have got only books after 2008 but it got almost everything. incl this "Date of publication, distribution, etc 1987" 09:50 kmkale chris++ 09:50 kmkale chris: you are great 09:50 chris zico: my guess would be the circulation rules 09:50 chris kmkale: http://granthalaya.org/cgi-bin/koha/opac-search.pl?idx=kw&idx=kw&idx=kw&do=Search&limit-yr=2008-&sort_by=relevance 09:47 chris zico: not sure, i havent seen it happen ever befor 09:45 zico chris: what kind of setting it may be? 09:45 zico some times i prayed to my server to make it happen!!! :D 09:44 kmkale chris: granthalaya.org is on 3.00.00 and I haven't dared yet to upgrade :( 09:44 zico i mean... this became an uncertainity 09:44 zico what kind of setting it may be chris? 09:44 chris zico: there must be some setting 09:44 chris kmkale: ill look 09:43 chris why 3.00.00? not 3.0.6? 09:42 zico i really need your help guys :( 09:42 kmkale chris: any ti: type query I can type in the box on 3.00.00? 09:42 zico can anyone help me out? 09:42 zico this is not black magic, right? 09:42 zico but.. it became ok after certain time 09:42 zico and.. this thing happened for some other users before 09:42 zico because, the "confirmation window" does not comes for them 09:41 zico some of my patron cannot issue their books/cds or anything 09:41 kmkale aww I am on 3.00.00 so this is not there 09:41 zico i am facing an annoying problem here :D 09:41 zico by the way 09:41 chris there are instructions there 09:41 chris http://opac.koha.workbuffer.org/cgi-bin/koha/opac-search.pl 09:41 kmkale chris: and? 09:40 chris kmkale: go to the advanced search 09:37 zico this mibbit is great too! :) 09:37 zico it`s nice to see you people here!! :) 09:37 zico hi everyone 09:33 chris yeah its weird 09:28 robin-hom chris: curious. It's strange that I'm not getting a bounce from them. 09:28 chris robin-hom: hdl reports those messages arent the queue, might have to try a resend tomorrow 09:27 chris i suspect pipes is doing it 09:27 chris or someones rss feed flipping out .. which causes the same thing 09:27 chris yahoo pipes flipping out then 09:26 kmkale From the OPAC, how do I search for all books published before certain year? 09:26 imp chris: just take a look http://twitter.com/kohails 09:25 imp chris: yes, i'm sure, they are all from kohails via dlvr.it and not retweets 09:25 kmkale good afternoon 09:25 chris you sure they werent retweets? 09:23 imp heyho, who is in charge for the kohails twitter account? (2x4 times the same tweet...) 09:23 robin-hom chris: hola 09:13 chris heya robin-hom 09:06 chris heh, there is no way its 11 out there 09:05 munin chris: The current temperature in Wellington, New Zealand is 11.0�C (9:00 PM NZST on June 15, 2010). Conditions: Scattered Clouds. Humidity: 76%. Dew Point: 7.0�C. Pressure: 30.18 in 1022 hPa (Steady). 09:05 chris @wunder wellington nz 08:57 chris not sure, ill find out tomorrow :) 08:56 cait which bug? 08:52 chris he did another patch today as well 08:52 cait :) 08:52 chris ill get robin to resend 08:51 chris yeah, i think it went missing 08:51 cait no 08:51 cait hm I got not mail 08:50 * chris can't see the patch in the archives 08:50 chris although it didnt hit the patches list did it? 08:49 chris yep 08:49 cait jsp-- *sighs* 08:48 cait robin send a patch for it 08:48 chris thanks 08:48 cait will mark it 08:48 chris sure looks like it to me 08:48 munin 04Bug http://bugs.koha-community.org/bugzilla3/show_bug.cgi?id=2644 enhancement, P3, ---, gmcharlt, NEW, Paginate Fines 08:48 cait I think its a duplicate to bug 2644 08:48 chris yep? 08:47 munin 04Bug http://bugs.koha-community.org/bugzilla3/show_bug.cgi?id=4892 enhancement, PATCH-Sent, ---, kyle.m.hall, NEW, Make the accounts page page, so that the list of records doesn't end up being huge. 08:47 cait chris: bug 4892? 08:41 chris robin: you around? 05:29 chris cya later 05:29 chilts ok, hometime :) 05:29 * chilts always says never rule the Germans out 05:29 chilts they have, and Argentina (though they were up against a keeper on fire) 05:28 chris well according to my uneducated eye 05:28 chris so far germany have played the best football 05:28 chris 2 defensive teams 05:27 chilts yeah, I was saying last night that Italy bore me 05:27 chilts I know them all already, so not too worried :) 05:27 chris i saw some of italy v paraguay this morning .. put me back to sleep 05:27 chris :) 05:27 chris you dont want to know the score then ? 05:26 * chilts taped the Holland v Denmark match last night and will watch that when he gets home 05:26 chilts is=us :) 05:26 chilts should be three of is (two Brits and a Kiwi) :D 05:26 chris but quietly 05:26 chris ditto 05:26 chilts I have Sky so at home in a warm lounge :) 05:26 cait and get well soon chris! 05:25 cait 12:30 pm here 05:25 chris where are you watching it chilts ? 05:25 chris 6 hours it is 05:25 chris i blame the cold medication 05:25 chris i cant count 05:25 chris oh yeah 05:23 chilts unless you're talking rugby or something :) 05:22 chilts 11:30 05:22 chilts 6 hrs isn't it? 05:21 chris :) 05:21 chris 4 hours til kickoff 05:18 cait staying at home today, will take a break to watch nz later :) 05:10 cait thx :) 05:09 chris ahh, good luck 05:09 cait deadline at noon tomorrow 05:09 cait have to finish jsp things first 05:09 cait I wll test later 05:07 chris i hope it works, it seemed to on the de file i tried 05:07 chris did you test the patch? 04:59 cait chris++ # for repairing xslt translation 04:59 cait hi chris 04:58 chris hiya cait 04:47 cait morning #koha