Time Nick Message 00:15 SelfishMan oh hai thar 00:15 SelfishMan So this koha thing is still going huh? :) 00:35 wasabi anyone use 'git-cherry-pick -m ' much? 00:35 wasabi -m parent-number, --mainline parent-number 00:35 wasabi is the parent-number a SHA string? 00:37 wasabi nope... :/ 00:37 wasabi error: switch `m' expects a numerical value 01:04 pianohackr|work bbl 01:32 wasabi random Q: anyone run git-core version 1:1.6.3.3-1~bpo50+1 ? 01:33 chilts not quite that far - 1:1.6.0.4-1ubuntu2 01:33 wasabi im getting abunch of errors on a recently cloned repo 01:34 chilts can you reclone and see what happens? 01:43 wasabi yep, if need be 01:45 wasabi just working my way thru a big commit now, on a fresh-cloned repo... 01:45 wasabi ... i might loose my merge work :/ 01:47 chilts you could add the old dir as a remote and pull stuff, but that's getting a bit more confusing :) 01:47 wasabi got lots of these now, from git fsck... 01:47 wasabi dangling blob 0c01258038c4815a4fc8685577e177a65606978f 01:48 wasabi googles... 01:48 chilts that just means a commit isn 01:48 chilts 't referenced by any branch or tag 01:56 wasabi yep, looks like dangling stuff is a warning, not error 02:01 chris_n git woes mason? 02:02 chilts git gc (garbage collect) will clear those - but they're ok if you leave them around 02:02 chilts I think they get cleaned eventually anyway 02:03 chilts ah wait, git gc doesn't clear them up :) 02:08 chris_n google on caffeine... interesting thought 02:08 chris_n http://googleblog.blogspot.com/2010/06/our-new-search-index-caffeine.html 02:12 * chilts has just figured out that he is allergic to caffeine :) 02:19 chris_n bummer 03:02 * chris_n works on a post-checkout hook to change the Koha db 03:19 Amit heya chris 03:19 Amit #morning koha 03:20 chris hi Amit 03:29 chris_n hi Amit 03:30 Amit heya chris_n 03:38 Amit @weather New Delhi 03:38 munin Amit: The current temperature in New Delhi, India is 27.0�C (8:30 AM IST on June 09, 2010). Conditions: Haze. Humidity: 70%. Dew Point: 21.0�C. Pressure: 29.71 in 1006 hPa (Steady). 03:38 Amit @weather Dehradun 03:38 munin Amit: The current temperature in Dehradun, India is 26.0�C (8:30 AM IST on June 09, 2010). Conditions: Haze. Humidity: 63%. Dew Point: 20.0�C. Pressure: 29.63 in 1003 hPa. 03:39 Amit @weather Bangalore 03:39 munin Amit: The current temperature in Bangalore, India is 22.0�C (8:30 AM IST on June 09, 2010). Conditions: Overcast. Humidity: 85%. Dew Point: 20.0�C. 03:40 wasabi heya amit 03:40 Amit heya wasbai 03:40 Amit heya Mason 03:41 wasabi mason = wasabi :) 03:41 Amit yup 03:41 Amit wasabi means 03:41 wasabi hot-sauce from japan 03:41 Amit yup Maggi sauce 03:41 wasabi http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Wasabi 03:42 wasabi wasabi is made from a very special plant 03:42 Amit ah! 03:45 wasabi "As the demand for real wasabi is very high, Japan has to import a large amount of it from Mainland China, Ali Mountain of Taiwan, and New Zealand." 03:45 chris_n awesome... it actually works 03:45 chris whatcha do chris_n ? 03:46 chris_n wrote a git post-checkout hook to auto-change the db name in my koha-conf.xml based on the branch I just checked out 03:46 chris ohh good idea 03:46 chris that would be good on the wiki, in the tips and tricks section 03:47 chris_n it requires a bit of hackary atm on the ownership of koha-conf.xml 03:47 chris_n but on a development install that might not be as important 03:47 chris_n kohauser owns koha-conf.xml 03:48 chris_n but git runs under the logged in user 03:48 chris your hook could be sudo -u kohauser do_stuff 03:48 chris you'd get prompted for your password 03:49 chris but it could then change the file as kohauser 03:49 chris_n yeah, hadn't thought of that 03:49 chris_n the hook could just be a shell script calling the perl script that way 03:49 chris *nod* 03:50 chris peer programming via irc :) 03:50 * chris_n has had the unpleasant experience of forgetting to change the db before switching to some koha-hack branch and screwing up his db 03:50 chris_n and it's a pain to stop and restore 03:50 chris *nod* 03:51 chris been there, done that 03:54 larsw that's why I like to do all my koha testing in a nicely isolated virtual machine, with a mysql running inside the vm 03:56 larsw (virtual machines are not quite there yet, but pretty soon I suspect I will view them as essential a tool as version control) 04:02 chris_n pastebot down chris? 04:04 chris ah yep 04:04 chris ill get that up tonight 04:04 chris_n here's the raw (very) script: http://perl.pastebin.com/gy0vVSZn 04:04 chris_n time to head to the stall 04:05 chris_n sudo -u koha has a bit of a problem with the KOHA_CONF env var 04:06 chris_n but that's a problem for tomorrow 04:14 larsw (actually, what I really want is to marry vcs and vm, so I can have version control of my virtual machines) 04:20 chris_n lol 04:20 chris_n g'night 04:25 chris night chris_n 04:26 chilts might be worth doing 'use Git;' rather than shelling out to the commands 04:26 chilts I find it makes it a bit easier 04:28 chilts __git_heads also gives you something nicer to work with than 'git branch' and having to munge it :) 04:28 chilts sorry, I should make a patch but I don't have a checkout here or a use-case ... :) 04:28 chris @later tell chris_n < chilts> might be worth doing 'use Git;' rather than shelling out to the commands 04:28 munin chris: The operation succeeded. 04:29 chris @later tell chris_n < chilts> __git_heads also gives you something nicer to work with than 'git branch' and having to munge it :) 04:29 munin chris: The operation succeeded. 04:29 chris now he'll get it as soon as munin notices him :) 04:40 chilts ah cool :) 04:40 chilts well done munin 04:40 chris @notices 04:40 munin chris: Error: "notices" is not a valid command. 04:40 chris @help commands 04:40 munin chris: Error: There is no command "commands". 04:40 chris @help 04:40 munin chris: (help [<plugin>] [<command>]) -- This command gives a useful description of what <command> does. <plugin> is only necessary if the command is in more than one plugin. 04:40 robin @plugins 04:40 munin robin: Error: "plugins" is not a valid command. 04:40 chris yeah thats actually no help munin 04:40 chris @list 04:40 munin chris: Admin, Alias, Bugzilla, Channel, Config, Dict, Factoids, Filter, Games, Google, Herald, Internet, Karma, Lart, Later, MARC, Math, Misc, News, Note, Owner, Plugin, Quote, Seen, Todo, URL, Unix, User, Utilities, and Weather 04:41 chris @note 04:41 munin chris: (note <id>) -- Retrieves a single note by its unique note id. Use the 'note list' command to see what unread notes you have. 04:41 chris @note list 04:41 munin chris: You have no unread notes. 04:41 chris @help note 04:41 munin chris: (note <id>) -- Retrieves a single note by its unique note id. Use the 'note list' command to see what unread notes you have. 04:41 chris @todo 04:41 munin chris: You have no tasks in your todo list. 04:41 chris @help todo 04:41 munin chris: (todo [<username> [<task id>]|<task id>]) -- Retrieves a task for the given task id. If no task id is given, it will return a list of task ids that that user has added to their todo list. 04:41 chris oh cool 04:42 chris @todo add 04:42 munin chris: (todo add [--priority=<num>] <text>) -- Adds <text> as a task in your own personal todo list. The optional priority argument allows you to set a task as a high or low priority. Any integer is valid. 04:42 chris @todo add get the pastebot going again 04:42 munin chris: The operation succeeded. (Todo #1 added) 04:42 chris @todo 04:42 munin chris: Todo for chris: #1: get the pastebot going again 04:43 chris handy 05:31 brendan_office @later tell jdavidb Happy Birthday 05:31 munin brendan_office: The operation succeeded. 06:33 wasabi @help 06:33 munin wasabi: (help [<plugin>] [<command>]) -- This command gives a useful description of what <command> does. <plugin> is only necessary if the command is in more than one plugin. 06:34 wasabi @help commands 06:34 munin wasabi: Error: There is no command "commands". 06:34 wasabi @help command 06:34 munin wasabi: Error: There is no command "command". 06:34 wasabi @help help 06:34 munin wasabi: (help [<plugin>] [<command>]) -- This command gives a useful description of what <command> does. <plugin> is only necessary if the command is in more than one plugin. 06:34 wasabi @help plugins 06:34 munin wasabi: Error: There is no command "plugins". 06:34 wasabi @help 06:34 munin wasabi: (help [<plugin>] [<command>]) -- This command gives a useful description of what <command> does. <plugin> is only necessary if the command is in more than one plugin. 06:35 robin wasabi: @list 06:35 wasabi @help show commands 06:35 munin wasabi: Error: There is no command "show commands". 06:35 wasabi @help list commands 06:35 munin wasabi: Error: There is no command "list commands". 06:35 wasabi @help list 06:35 munin wasabi: (list [--private] [<plugin>]) -- Lists the commands available in the given plugin. If no plugin is given, lists the public plugins available. If --private is given, lists the private plugins. 06:35 wasabi @list 06:35 munin wasabi: Admin, Alias, Bugzilla, Channel, Config, Dict, Factoids, Filter, Games, Google, Herald, Internet, Karma, Lart, Later, MARC, Math, Misc, News, Note, Owner, Plugin, Quote, Seen, Todo, URL, Unix, User, Utilities, and Weather 06:35 wasabi @help list 06:35 munin wasabi: (list [--private] [<plugin>]) -- Lists the commands available in the given plugin. If no plugin is given, lists the public plugins available. If --private is given, lists the private plugins. 06:36 wasabi @version 06:36 munin wasabi: The current (running) version of this Supybot is 0.83.3. I couldn't fetch the newest version from the Supybot website. 06:37 wasabi oooh, bingo 06:38 wasabi @play thermonuclear warfare? 06:38 munin wasabi: Error: "play" is not a valid command. 06:51 brendan @bingo 06:51 munin brendan: Error: "bingo" is not a valid command. 06:52 brendan @games list 06:52 munin brendan: Error: The "Games" plugin is loaded, but there is no command named "list" in it. Try "list Games" to see the commands in the "Games" plugin. 06:52 brendan @list games 06:52 munin brendan: coin, dice, eightball, monologue, and roulette 06:52 brendan @dice 06:52 munin brendan: (dice <dice>d<sides>) -- Rolls a die with <sides> number of sides <dice> times. For example, 2d6 will roll 2 six-sided dice; 10d10 will roll 10 ten-sided dice. 06:52 brendan @dice 6d6 06:52 munin brendan: 6, 5, 4, 5, 2, and 3 06:59 kmkale good afternoon 07:25 brendan nice only a few days left until world cup month :) 07:28 kmkale great calendar design for world cup here http://www.marca.com/deporte/futbol/mundial/sudafrica-2010/calendario-english.html 07:36 brendan yeah that's pretty cool 08:13 kmkale @weather Mumbai 08:13 munin kmkale: The current temperature in Mumbai, India is 33.0�C (1:10 PM IST on June 09, 2010). Conditions: Haze. Humidity: 59%. Dew Point: 24.0�C. Pressure: 29.68 in 1005 hPa (Falling). 09:17 kf morning #koha 09:17 chris hi kf 09:17 kf hi chris :) 09:36 zico hello 09:43 chris hi zico 09:46 zico hi chris 09:53 zico i am facing problem with "checking out" issue 09:54 zico two users cannot "check out" any book or cds 09:55 zico if we put the barcode there in "check out" box 09:55 zico then... no "confirmation windows" comes 09:55 zico just a yellow bar comes...nothing else 09:55 zico can you help me about that? 10:04 pastebot "chris" at 127.0.0.1 pasted "test" (1 line) at http://paste.koha-community.org/1 10:07 pastebot "chris" at 203.97.214.51 pasted "test" (1 line) at http://paste.koha-community.org/2 10:07 chris cool 10:08 chris its just 2 particular users zico? and what version of koha? 10:34 zico chris: it`s 3.0.5 10:37 chris might be worth upgrading to 3.0.6 quite a few fixes between those 2 versions 11:08 kmkale chris for past several day I am unable to access http://stats.workbuffer.org/irclog/koha/ the page just loads forever without displaying anything. 11:09 chris really? 11:09 chris seems to be working from here 11:09 kmkale aww and lo just now its loading perfectly :( 11:09 chris heh 11:09 chris it is on my server at home 11:10 kmkale humm I was meaning to tell you for last two days and when I do it start working :( 11:11 chris it might have been a network thing, i was using it yesterday ok 11:11 kmkale yes could be. 11:12 library hello, I see that http://wiki.koha.org/ does not work. Any hints? 11:12 chris yes, use http://wiki.koha-community.org/ 11:13 chris and www.koha-community.org and bugs.koha-community.org etc etc :) 11:13 chris hi nengard 11:16 nengard howdy 11:26 nengard so - the library world is so so so small! 11:26 nengard I was doing some research for my PT and she was annoyed cause the databases they gave her access to didn't have the resources she needed 11:26 nengard so i emailed the association 11:27 nengard and the person who replied was a librarian who had read my book :) 11:29 chris heh cool 11:33 chris youre welcome 11:46 kmkale @list munin 11:46 munin kmkale: Error: 'munin' is not a valid plugin. 11:46 kmkale @list 11:46 munin kmkale: Admin, Alias, Bugzilla, Channel, Config, Dict, Factoids, Filter, Games, Google, Herald, Internet, Karma, Lart, Later, MARC, Math, Misc, News, Note, Owner, Plugin, Quote, Seen, Todo, URL, Unix, User, Utilities, and Weather 11:46 library my machine is 192.168.1.2 and when I Type http://192.168.1.2:80 I get: It works. the same happens with port 8080. I cannot get login prompt of KOha. please advise 11:47 kmkale @list Utilities 11:47 munin kmkale: apply, echo, ignore, last, shuffle, and success 11:47 kmkale @list Factoids 11:47 munin kmkale: change, forget, info, learn, lock, random, search, unlock, and whatis 11:48 kmkale @list whatis 11:48 munin kmkale: Error: 'whatis' is not a valid plugin. 11:48 kf library: you can edit the koha file in apache confiugaration and change the ips there 11:48 kmkale @help whatis 11:48 munin kmkale: An error has occurred and has been logged. Please contact this bot's administrator for more information. 11:48 kf library: thats what I normally do on my test installations, not sure if there is a better way 11:48 library kf: thanks :) 11:49 kf library: where are you from? 11:49 kmkale library: your default apache config might be overriding the koha conf 11:49 kmkale try removing it and restarting apache 11:51 kmkale @monolouge 11:51 munin kmkale: Error: "monolouge" is not a valid command. 11:51 kmkale @monologue 11:51 munin kmkale: Your current monologue is at least 4 lines long. 11:52 kmkale @help monologue 11:52 munin kmkale: (monologue [<channel>]) -- Returns the number of consecutive lines you've sent in <channel> without being interrupted by someone else (i.e. how long your current 'monologue' is). <channel> is only necessary if the message isn't sent in the channel itself. 11:53 jdavidb harrrumph. 11:53 kf hi jdavidb :) 11:53 nengard what's wrong? 11:53 jwagner Got a question for the wizards out there. I understand how to add a new syspref to the installer files so that it's created with a new installation. If I want to add some permanent new indexes, how can I tell Koha that these should be added at installation? The record.abs & other index files are outside kohaclone directory tree. I don't want people to have to remember to update manually. 11:53 kf what makes you harrumph? 11:53 kf jwagner: gmcharlt told me to copy them over 11:54 jdavidb trying to get things moving again after a really bizarre day yesterday. 11:54 jwagner manually? That's what I'm trying to avoid. 11:54 kf I did that in my patch for record-control-number, but gmcharlt has not pushed it (perhaps will have to wait till 3.4 11:54 gmcharlt jwagner: maybe toss in a script to update the index defs 11:54 jwagner gmcharlt, there isn't a standard way to do it now? 11:55 gmcharlt main issue is that overwriting by default would be a problem - could scribble over any local indexing definitions that could have been added by the user 11:55 kf ah, sorry. 11:55 gmcharlt on the other hand, it wouldn't be too hard to put together a variant of dev mode that lets some of the zebra config files, including record.abs, be taken from the git clone, not from a copy in a separate run directory 11:56 jwagner In this case, I want to add some brand new indexes, so the workflow would be something like cat newindexsettings >> indexconfigfile 11:56 jwagner But with potentially several hundred installations, it's not something I want to have to handle manually. 11:57 jwagner I was hoping for some nice structured way of adding it to the installation files :-( 11:59 gmcharlt well, as far as large arrays of Koha databases are concerned, jdavidb may be able to build on some of the stuff that larsw did in the Debian packaging, particularly the bits to add and disable new Koha sites, to add a mode to propagate indexing changes 11:59 gmcharlt of course, if (for the most part), most of the sites use the same indexing definitions 11:59 gmcharlt you could just do symbolic links to a set of master record.abs 12:00 chris if you ran from packages, and had the files in the package then apt-get upgrade would fix it 12:00 jwagner jdavidb was muttering about symlinks as a solution. That would work in our environment, but I didn't know how to package the changes up in a commit or patch for submission. 12:00 jdavidb That's certainly how we're doing it here, gmcharlt. We're symlinking to the ones inside the cloned repo, at the moment, so for *lots* of sites, it's just a "remember to reindex" line-item. 12:02 jwagner Thinking outside the proverbial box here, is there a reason the index files live outside the kohaclone tree anyway? 12:03 jdavidb localization. 12:03 * jwagner jumps back into the box 12:04 chris certainly we plan not to run out of git checkouts for much longer at all 12:05 owen Alright Wednesday, let's do this. 12:05 kf hi owen 12:05 chris we'll have one or some that we create .deb packages from, they go into the repository, apt-get update; apt-get upgrade to roll out the changes 12:06 gmcharlt jwagner: mostly because some of the Zebra config files have site-specific bits, mostly paths to directories 12:08 jwagner OK. jdavidb is telling me to change etc/zebradb/marc_defs/marc21/biblios/record.abs (and the other files) under the kohaclone tree if I wanted to package these up for submission. That would take care of new installs, but not updates if I'm understanding it correctly. 12:08 jwagner So if I were to do this, I'd have to include a readme that said "go update your index conf files with these settings" 12:09 jwagner (for existing sites, that is) 12:09 gmcharlt no, just submit the index changes - the changes are independent of how they get distributed 12:09 gmcharlt you're not the first to have submitted patches against etc/zebradb 12:10 jwagner I didn't think i could be :-) but I didn't remember ever hearing how to do it. 12:14 jwagner gmcharlt, might be a good topic for a wiki entry, under the developer section. 12:14 gmcharlt jwagner: go for it 12:17 jwagner er, I meant an entry written by somebody who understands it :-) 12:28 munin New commit(s) kohagit: Build with pdebuild, not debuild. <http://git.koha-community.org/gitweb/?p=koha.git;a=commitdiff;h=604d871d27b715369f8d4e4636cb5e1799bbf7ae> / Remove dependencies on perl-base. <http://git.koha-community.org/gitweb/?p=koha.git;a=commitdiff;h=73152b7ac45881fb7fa3f15fc3e19d16b746f058> / Bug #4864 Add SIPServer Perl Module Dependencies <http://git.koha-community.org/gitweb/?p=koha.git;a=commitdiff;h=b3489aa045c8024ede3462ada14e 12:38 munin New commit(s) kohagit: applied paranoia <http://git.koha-community.org/gitweb/?p=koha.git;a=commitdiff;h=02b9e03567fcb635943bdaabc0f8c150a8b402a1> 12:41 * chris wanders off to sleep 12:43 pastebot "gmcharlt" at 68.101.69.169 pasted "test of paste" (1 line) at http://paste.koha-community.org/5 12:48 munin New commit(s) kohagit: Final batch of POD cleanups. <http://git.koha-community.org/gitweb/?p=koha.git;a=commitdiff;h=4370a19d75e2824d71946898d0876fb899199e52> / POD Cleanups <http://git.koha-community.org/gitweb/?p=koha.git;a=commitdiff;h=aa9b4d92cdfc9147f4da4033f4cbc0245f0ac9d1> / More POD cleanups <http://git.koha-community.org/gitweb/?p=koha.git;a=commitdiff;h=546a0244bb34832e37827c14498963eb3d1b3b82> / POD Cleanups - Few minor ones this time 13:02 gmcharlt pastebot: help 13:04 jdavidb @eightball do I currently have a rational work plan for the week? 13:04 munin jdavidb: Obviously. 13:04 owen There you go. 13:04 jdavidb *snort* 13:04 jdavidb *some* munin or another has been at the Kool-Aid. 13:05 jwagner Or is living in an alternate universe with an alternate definition of "rational" 13:05 jdavidb could be, jwagner. 13:06 nengard oh poo!! the manual doesn't want to save and I just did a ton of work!! :( 13:07 gmcharlt FYI, chris has set up http://paste.koha-community.org/ for sending pastes to this #IRC channel 13:08 jdavidb chris++ 13:08 jwagner That should be a help -- I've never come close to figuring out how to do anything in pastebin.... 13:11 kmkale @roulette 13:11 munin kmkale: *click* 13:11 kmkale humm 13:11 nengard gmcharlt got a git question - my xml editor just failed while saving and so it screwed up my docbook file 13:11 nengard how can i fetch the file from the git repo 13:11 nengard and overwrite what i have on my machine? 13:12 gmcharlt nengard: two ways 13:12 gmcharlt git reset --hard in your repo, if you have no other changes pending 13:12 gmcharlt or 13:12 gmcharlt git checkout path/to/file 13:12 nengard thank you!! 13:14 nengard i think my computer is not happy with how big the manual has gotten ... 13:15 jwagner Can someone confirm that all the issues/statistics/whatever links between patrons and checkouts/holds are on _borrowernumber_ ? If the cardnumber gets changed, it won't hurt anything current or historical? I'm about 90% sure that's the case, but.... 13:16 owen jwagner: If it were not so, changing someone's library card number would cause Koha to forget everything they had checked out! 13:17 jwagner That's what I thought. So it should be safe to do patron imports that are matching on an attribute, but where the incoming data's cardnumber might overwrite the existing cardnumber. 13:17 nengard brb - need to restart 13:18 owen Assuming the incoming new cardnumber is accurate of course 13:38 nengard okay - restarting fixed it - was able to save my manual edits!! was panicking there for a minute 13:49 munin New commit(s) kohagit: Bug 2505: Enabled warnings in patron-attr-types.pl <http://git.koha-community.org/gitweb/?p=koha.git;a=commitdiff;h=34936223f385713bb87f12432e4adf2fe430264c> 13:54 chris_n g'morning 13:55 chris_n ahh... ta munin 13:56 chris_n @later tell chilts thanks for the pointers, I'll take a look at them over the next few days 13:56 munin chris_n: The operation succeeded. 13:58 owen So chris_n, you bot gives you ops when you arrive? 13:59 munin New commit(s) kohagit: (bug #4853) change rights needed to renew loans <http://git.koha-community.org/gitweb/?p=koha.git;a=commitdiff;h=5f0f4885965995bbecef5acc3c2f4c0c7f52a78b> 14:00 chris_n owen: actually I can request it to op me so long as it is op'd 14:00 * chris_n is working on trying to setup a bot to help maintain ops 14:01 chris_n of course it will not help if the box running the irc server bounces 14:06 chris_n nahuel: will it be ok just to put the zebra out to pasture rather than in the trash? ;-) 14:19 munin New commit(s) kohagit: Bug 2789 Fix UNIMAC leader plugin <http://git.koha-community.org/gitweb/?p=koha.git;a=commitdiff;h=77f04bd426abe824fab66a3f5a4ec90cda734110> 14:20 CGI251 Hello all, would anyone have any opinions on the following: 14:21 CGI251 I have up to 8 seperate, non related Koha sites to setup, I would like to install a complete system (vanilla) then lift the db, and file structure to use on the other sites without running through the installers again 14:21 CGI251 Can anyone think of anything that might cause me problems with this idea, or should I just setup each site from scratch? 14:24 gmcharlt other than the the possible issue of propagating changes after the copies are made, nothing comes to mind that would prevent doing that 14:25 * chris_n thinks that is basically how the vm images of koha work, no? 14:25 CGI251 There would be plenty of local changes later alright but the base image would be handy 14:26 CGI251 VMware, wouldn't they be wither P2V'd or created from within a VM first? 14:26 CGI251 VMware, wouldn't they be wither P2V'd or created from within a VM first? 14:26 CGI251 either 14:30 gmcharlt well, if you're working with a fully virtualized setup, cloning VMs wouldn't be a big deal 14:30 gmcharlt but if you're referring to just copying the Koha installation around from server to server, that wouldn't be particularly problematic either 14:31 gmcharlt main thing, presumably, would be making sure that each of the database don't end up with exactly the same mysql database password 14:32 CGI251 Yeah, we can change the local things after. Its not on one big host which would be good, rather many individual servers 14:33 tomascohen if they are virtual machines you can identify the changes you need to make 14:33 tomascohen and create your own instance installing scripts 14:33 kyle hey all 14:33 tomascohen ussualy IP, hostname, koha-http.conf andno much more 14:34 tomascohen if using nullmailer also mailname 14:34 kyle does anyone know why the Datedue option for the useDaysMode syspref is no longer exposed? We used it on our dev_week server. The option is still referenced in the codebase. 14:54 * jwagner snarls at jquery & goes off to work on something else.... 14:58 nengard heh 14:58 owen anything I might help with jwagner? 14:58 chris_n been there done that :) 15:02 jwagner Trying to add some text on the place hold page in the opac ("Confirm hold for") -- it has a div but I can't make anything show up. 15:07 owen jwagner: In my OPAC there is a <div id="holds"> followed by a <h3> 15:07 owen Is that what you have? 15:08 jwagner Yes, but trying to use #holds or #opac-reserve #holds seems to have no effect. 15:09 jwagner I'm trying to prepend some text. 15:09 owen $("#holds h3").before("<p>Hey you</p>"); 15:12 wizzyrea_laptop ^^ .prepend works too 15:12 jwagner Nope, didn't make anything appear. 15:12 wizzyrea_laptop $("#holds h3").prepend("<h3>Hey you</h3>"); 15:13 wizzyrea_laptop well both worked for me 15:13 wizzyrea_laptop are you doing something else to this page with jquery that changes it? 15:13 owen wizzyrea_laptop: Note that .prepend adds the content to the beginning of what is inside the selected tag 15:14 owen So your snippet ends up with <h3><h3>Hey you</h3> Confirm holds...</h3> 15:14 wizzyrea_laptop right, I just noticed that 15:14 wizzyrea_laptop but that's a very nice explanation, thanks :) 15:14 jwagner Aha -- there was a snippet left over from some earlier work on my test system's jquery box. Got rid of it & it now shows up. Thanks! 15:14 wizzyrea_laptop yay! 15:16 jwagner Now I can go snarl at something else :-) 15:16 wizzyrea_laptop wahoo! 15:16 jdavidb gotta watch out for stray snippets. 15:17 wizzyrea_laptop the snippets will nippets at you 15:17 wizzyrea_laptop they make very bad pets. 15:17 jdavidb @eightball Do you have the answer to Life, the Universe, and Everything. 15:17 munin jdavidb: The outlook is poor. 15:17 jdavidb didn't think so. 15:17 jcamins jdavidb: I think that _was_ the answer. 15:17 * wizzyrea_laptop frowns 15:17 wizzyrea_laptop I sure hope not 15:17 jcamins Why, yes, I am doing series authority work. How could you tell? 15:18 jdavidb no, the answer to Life, the Universe, and Everything is "forty-two." 15:18 wizzyrea_laptop so sayeth Douglas Adams 15:42 cm hi #koha! 15:43 owen Hi cm 15:43 cm i'm having trouble with repeatable subfields in the marc editor on 3.2alpha2. the plus sign to repeat the subfield doesn't do anything. is anyone else experiencing this, or is it just me? 15:44 cm the - to remove the subfield does work. 15:45 wizzyrea_laptop i'm checking it 1s 15:45 owen cm: Using Firefox on Windows it works for me. It's a little slow, but it works. 15:46 cm i've tried ff & chrome on both linux & windows. it must be me. :P thanks, owen. 15:46 wizzyrea_laptop are you talking about the blue links or the black ones? 15:46 cm black. 15:47 wizzyrea_laptop right, I can't get those plus signs to work on today's HEAD 15:47 cm on mine the blue ones are for fields, and the work. 15:47 owen Then I looked at the wrong thing cm 15:47 cm okay, so it isn't me! 15:47 wizzyrea_laptop I don't even get a clicky hand for the black ones 15:47 wizzyrea_laptop but the - does work 15:47 cm nope, me neither. it looks like a text editing bar. 15:47 cm the cursor, that is. 15:47 wizzyrea_laptop ya 15:48 owen I get a javascript error: "link is undefined" 15:48 cm yesterday using chrome's developer mode it gave me this error, if it means anything to anyone: 15:48 cm Uncaught TypeError: Cannot call method 'getAttribute' of undefined 15:51 wizzyrea_laptop yep I get the same on MacOS -> chrome 15:52 cm thanks. i'm glad to know it's not just me. :) 15:53 owen Interesting... If I change the <span>+</span> to <a href="#">+</a> it works 15:53 wizzyrea_laptop hrm 15:53 owen ..and you get the right pointer too of course, which is a plus 15:55 cm that's weird. the minus sign uses <span>, and it works. 15:57 owen Strange, the minus sign doesn't work for me 15:57 wizzyrea_laptop you have to click it *just so* I found 15:57 * owen sticks out his pinkie finger and tries again 15:58 wizzyrea_laptop with the top of the bar right on the minus 15:58 cm lol! 15:58 wizzyrea_laptop hehe 15:58 cm yeah, you gotta hover the mouse over it just so. 15:58 wizzyrea_laptop and some of them it won't let you -, it will just clear the field 15:59 cm okay, i take that back. it's not working for me either. gaah! 15:59 wizzyrea_laptop is it a field that used to have something in it 15:59 wizzyrea_laptop but clicking the minus cleared it 15:59 wizzyrea_laptop that's what I'm seeing 15:59 owen Oh that's what's happening, I'm clicking the minus on an empty field and I can't tell it's emptying :| 16:00 cm oh, okay. 16:00 wizzyrea_laptop this makes me wonder what an older instlal looks like. 16:01 * wizzyrea_laptop totters off to her production install 16:01 owen What a mess 16:01 wizzyrea_laptop it works 16:02 wizzyrea_laptop but it doesn't appear to have changed 16:03 cm i'll look on my test server. i'd swear it used to work there. 16:03 owen Another bug: If you clone a subfield, then delete the clone, you can't clone the original subfield again. You get a javascript error. 16:03 wizzyrea_laptop doh 16:04 wizzyrea_laptop bleh 16:05 cm on my test server the minus sign will delete the subfield but the plus sign does nothing. 16:05 cm bleh indeed. 16:05 wizzyrea_laptop the line itself doesn't appear to have changed from where my prod install is 16:05 wizzyrea_laptop but it works fine there 16:05 wizzyrea_laptop as an aside, I love the little grey line around the highlights, that's a nice touch 16:06 owen ? 16:06 wizzyrea_laptop when you click more, it does a grey line around the blue mouseover highlight 16:06 wizzyrea_laptop dk when it showed up, but I like it 16:07 owen Works in our production system, 3.01.00.061 16:08 wizzyrea_laptop and on mine (older) 3.01.00.037 16:08 cm my production server & test server both claim to be 3.01.00.133. 16:15 wizzyrea_laptop owen: this grey line :) http://screencast.com/t/ZTM1MDZlMD 16:15 owen wizzyrea_laptop: That's your browser's doing 16:16 wizzyrea_laptop ! well something changed, because it doesn't do it on my production server 16:16 wizzyrea_laptop it's moot really 16:16 wizzyrea_laptop I like it 16:22 kf bye all! 16:27 cm i'm looking at the git history of addbiblio.tmpl. maybe it has something to do with this commit? (from 4/7/2010) 16:27 cm http://git.koha-community.org/gitweb/?p=koha.git;a=commitdiff;h=17410624465fef8dc739c88206ef96c78b138a38 16:41 cm i'll report it as a bug, since you guys can confirm it. 16:41 wizzyrea_laptop good idea :) 16:44 owen http://www.screencast.com/t/YjM3OGZjZTk 16:45 wizzyrea_laptop !! did you just do that? 16:45 owen Yeah, what do you think? 16:45 cm i like. :D +++owen! 16:45 wizzyrea_laptop owen++ #NEKLS says ya, do it! 16:45 wizzyrea_laptop of course 16:45 wizzyrea_laptop nengard will flail you 16:46 wizzyrea_laptop but it's worth that I think ;_ 16:46 wizzyrea_laptop ;) 16:46 wizzyrea_laptop tooltips are niiice 16:46 cm yes, and a much bigger target for clicking. :) 16:46 wizzyrea_laptop ^^ 16:46 * wizzyrea_laptop agreed 16:46 owen It's just a title attribute, not some kind of fancy js tooltip 16:47 gmcharlt owen++ 16:47 wizzyrea_laptop even so 16:47 wizzyrea_laptop better than the lacking +- convention 16:48 owen I'll have to ponder whether the interface can display a different icon based on whether the "delete" action really removes the field or whether it just clears it 16:48 wizzyrea_laptop this is an idea worth pondering, I think 16:50 * owen goes see what branch he futzed up on that diversion 16:50 cm interesting...i'm finding that if i click the plus sign, then the minus sign, the subfield is removed. if i just click the minus sign, it does *not* remove it. 16:51 wizzyrea_laptop weird. 16:52 jcamins I think it is because the Koha MARC editor still doesn't have support for adding arbitrary subfields, so if you delete the last, say, 650$x, you're SOL if the textbox for a 650$x isn't visible. 16:53 gmcharlt exactly s 16:53 gmcharlt *so 16:54 sekjal has anyone else found, on HEAD, that if you set AutoEmailPrimaryAddress to 'first valid' (actual value = 'OFF'), that your messaging breaks down? 16:55 sekjal the logic to convert 'OFF' to the first valid email address seems to be missing in _send_messages_by_email 16:56 sekjal related: bug 3755 16:56 munin 04Bug http://bugs.koha-community.org/bugzilla3/show_bug.cgi?id=3755 enhancement, P5, ---, paul.poulain, NEW, AutoEmailPrimaryAddress does not default to value shown in pulldown 16:57 wizzyrea_laptop well that is certainly logic that would be helpful to add: send email to first valid, which is what prompted our re-labeling of the fields on memberentry.pl from email (home/work) to primary/secondary 16:57 wizzyrea_laptop is that it didn't work that way 16:57 wizzyrea_laptop i imagine your question is related to the one that prompted the jquery cookbook on the wiki 16:58 sekjal I'm just noticing that several servers I have running close to HEAD aren't sending any messages (all of them fail) 16:58 sekjal and traced it to this systempreference 16:59 sekjal I could easily add some logic to pick one of the three email fields, but in what order? 16:59 sekjal it should probably be user configurable, shouldn't it? 16:59 * gmcharlt would be tempted to suggest a great renaming of email address fields for 3.4 17:00 gmcharlt e.g., to call one primary, one secondary, etc. 17:00 cm just added bug 4867 17:00 munin 04Bug http://bugs.koha-community.org/bugzilla3/show_bug.cgi?id=4867 normal, P5, ---, gmcharlt, NEW, cannot clone subfields in marc editor, other clone/unclone weirdness 17:01 cm gotta go to lunch & dentist! later, all! 17:01 sekjal gmcharlt: a bigger, better fix would be at allow arbitrarily-many email addresses to be attached to a patron, with labels as to what they are, priority level, and last-successfully-used datetime 17:01 sekjal same for addresses 17:01 gmcharlt yep 17:02 sekjal but, more practically speaking, for now I should probably just figure out how to determine 'first valid' 17:04 wizzyrea_laptop well 17:04 wizzyrea_laptop in the default memberentry 17:04 wizzyrea_laptop the top is first :P 17:05 wizzyrea_laptop that's how I would do it anyway 17:08 jwagner On the email address question, there is or was a related problem -- no matter which address you specified in the syspref as the primary, the overdues script was only sending to email (wouldn't send to emailpro). jdavidb did a fix for that on one of our sites -- can't remember if it ever got sent in. 17:13 chris_n owen++ 17:14 chris_n very nice improvement 17:19 sekjal-lunch jwagner: yes, jdavidb's patch for that did make it in 17:19 sekjal-lunch as I recall 17:39 cait hi #koh 17:39 cait a 17:39 chris_n heya cait 17:40 chris_n uh oh... their everywhere 17:40 chris_n wizzyrea_laptops are cloning again 17:41 jwagner She has to recreate all those stolen laptops _somehow_ :-) 17:42 cait :) 17:48 wizzyrea_lapt-1 hee 17:53 gmcharlt forget about hardware in the cloud! let's do hardware in the replicator! 17:54 jwagner Beam me up, Scotty.... 17:54 * wizzyrea emits a series of beeps and boops 17:54 * jdavidb waves to cait 17:54 pastebot "wasabi" at 203.97.99.222 pasted "bbb" (1 line) at http://paste.koha-community.org/7 18:12 jcamins Does anyone know what biblioitems.publicationyear does? 18:13 jcamins *is for 18:21 * chris_n wonders what wasabi 's line of code does... ;) 18:22 gmcharlt probably implements a whole ILS - if the language is APL 18:44 jwagner There was some discussion on lists a while back, and I think I've seen all the bug reports, but I don't remember this particular problem. If a list is created as Public, looking at the list in the OPAC doesn't give you the option to place holds. Changing the list to Open allows holds (but also allows patrons to add/remove list contents). Shouldn't Public lists allow holds? 18:45 wizzyrea you mean clicking on the title doesn't allow holds? 18:45 * wizzyrea will have to go look at a list 18:45 jwagner No -- for an Open list, if you view the list, you have checkboxes for placing holds. Those aren't there if it's a Public list. 18:46 wizzyrea oh, if I had to guess that was just an accidental omission 18:47 wizzyrea hm 18:47 wizzyrea on mine, if you are not logged in, it says "log in to place holds" 18:47 wizzyrea on a public list 18:48 wizzyrea if you are logged in, the checkboxes are there 18:48 wizzyrea (master from today) 18:48 wizzyrea http://screencast.com/t/NGFiYmYw <- logged in 18:48 jwagner Test it a bit further -- if you are logged in as a staff account they show, but not if you're logged in as a patron account. 18:48 wizzyrea k, sec 18:49 jwagner At least that's what we tested -- haven't updated my current head in a couple of days, but this is longstanding behavior. 18:50 owen I see the same thing jwagner 18:50 wizzyrea ya, you're right, I logged in a juvi patron and the place holds didn't appear 18:51 wizzyrea http://screencast.com/t/YTk1ZTY1O 18:51 jwagner So the feature isn't available to library patrons, just staff logging into the OPAC :-( 18:51 jwagner Is there any good reason why the check boxes _shouldn't_ appear? 18:51 wizzyrea it looks to me like it is intended to be there though, otherwise why would the button be there? 18:51 wizzyrea not that I can think of 18:52 jwagner I'll do a bugzilla entry -- I may not have time to work on a fix any time soon, though. 18:53 owen Assign it to whatever poor sap is the default for OPAC bugs 18:56 jwagner Bug 4869 18:56 munin 04Bug http://bugs.koha-community.org/bugzilla3/show_bug.cgi?id=4869 major, P5, ---, oleonard, NEW, Non-staff patrons logging into the OPAC don't have option to place holds from Public Lists 18:56 jwagner I called it major because it basically blocks functionality for library patrons. However, I don't hear too many people screaming about it :-) 18:59 owen jwagner: The original purpose of the checkboxes was as a means of deleting items from a list, so they're wrapped in a check of whether the user can manage the list 18:59 owen When holds and tagging were added, the manageshelf permission check was not removed 19:00 wizzyrea yea, accidental omission I'd say 19:00 jwagner owen, that makes sense -- I couldn't figure out why they'd be hidden. 19:11 owen Man, that template gives me a headache. 19:19 sekjal does koha-patches@lists.koha-community.org have criteria for accepting mail? I'm noticing that my patches are only getting CC'ed to me, not actually published 19:20 chris_n sekjal: I think it is moderated and you address has to be registered 19:21 * chris_n thinks hdl_laptop manages that list 19:21 chris_n iirc 19:21 * gmcharlt can do so as well, but haven't been seeing bounce or moderation notifications 19:22 gmcharlt sekjal: I'm not seeing that any of your patches are stuck in moderation 19:22 chris_n multi_tz_list_management++ 19:22 sekjal alright, well then it's probably an issue on my end, then 19:23 sekjal anyone know why sendmail would send email to the CC address (mine) but not the To address (koha-patches@lists.koha-community.org)? 19:24 gmcharlt sekjal: check your sendmail logs to see if it attempting to send messages to the lists.koha-community.org server 19:24 gmcharlt iirc correctly, some of the spam filtering in place may be silently dropping emails that it considers spam 19:25 wizzyrea bug 4870 19:25 munin 04Bug http://bugs.koha-community.org/bugzilla3/show_bug.cgi?id=4870 normal, P5, ---, kyle.m.hall, NEW, Damaged status does not prevent items from being selected for reserves 19:34 jwagner owen, oh great wizard :-) I have a really wierd one for you (or anyone else). I put some stuff in the opacheader syspref (images & some text). It shows up just fine everywhere except for ONE computer at the library. On that one, the images show but the text doesn't. They say they've cleared the cache. What else could cause that? 19:35 owen Same browser and OS? 19:35 jwagner Yep, on all of the PCs. 19:35 wizzyrea custom css file? 19:35 owen Did you try a different browser on the problem machine? 19:35 jwagner Looks like IE from the screenshot. 19:36 jwagner I'll ask them if they've tried a different one. 19:36 jwagner wizzyrea, if it's a css file, it would be affecting all of them, no? 19:36 * owen imagines a custom font-scaling setting might cause text to wrap strangely? 19:36 wizzyrea not if there is one on that machine specifically 19:36 wizzyrea can't you still do that in IE? 19:37 owen Would someone using IE be the type to have a custom local stylesheet? 19:37 * owen stereotypes wildly 19:37 wizzyrea haha 19:37 wizzyrea it's true 19:39 jwagner Beats der heck out of me....I'll ask them about font-scale settings. 19:40 jwagner At least there's a couple of things to check -- I couldn't come up with anything other than clearing the cache :-) Thanks. 19:42 * owen wishes his editor could collapse matching TMPL tags 19:44 jcamins jwagner: They might also check the accessibility options (Tools->Options->General->Accessibility). 19:53 cait wizzyrea: saw your bug about damaged items, i think title level holds perhaps need to be treated according to sys pref setting for AllowHoldsOnDamagedItems? 19:54 wizzyrea oh I didn't even realize there WAS a syspref... 19:54 wizzyrea I wonder if (ouch) ours is off 19:55 owen It also might be the case that the preference controls whether holds can be placed, but doesn't control how holds are allocated for the queue 19:56 cait hm koha.org manual says: item level holds, 3.2 manual says hold requests (both?) not sure 20:01 cait bye all 20:02 wizzyrea our allowholdsondamageditems is off, so it's definitely broken 20:13 chrisdroid Morning 20:13 wizzyrea oh hi 20:14 chrisdroid How's things wizzyrea 20:15 wizzyrea things are good I think 20:15 wizzyrea how about you? 20:16 chrisdroid Busy but good 20:16 wizzyrea busy is usually a good sign. :) 20:16 chris_n hey chrisdroid 20:16 chrisdroid Stoked we have ppl from france, uk, italy, taiwan, nigeria, australia and the us coming to kohacon 20:17 wizzyrea that is so cool 20:17 chris_n nice variety 20:18 chrisdroid Yeah, should be a lot of fun 20:20 chrisdroid Calls for talks close in just under a week 20:20 chrisdroid 2 spots open 20:21 chrisdroid Not looking at anyone in particular wizzy 20:22 chrisdroid :) 20:22 wizzyrea hehe 20:22 wizzyrea not sure what I'd talk about at this point 20:22 wizzyrea but I'm thinking 20:23 chrisdroid Managing continuis migrations 20:23 chrisdroid Might be good 20:23 chrisdroid Spelt right 20:23 wizzyrea oh scary, but yea, that's a good idea 20:25 richard hi 20:25 chris_n hi richard 20:25 richard hi chris_n 20:25 chrisdroid Hi richard 20:26 chris_n time to head home, bbl 20:26 chrisdroid From the 4 bus on courtenay place 20:26 chrisdroid Slow ride in today 20:26 richard heh, thought you might be a bot run by chris_n 20:28 cm hehe. :) 20:28 wizzyrea omg he's a robit 20:29 chrisbus Right time to get off, cya's in a bit 20:43 chris back 20:45 jwagner and forth? 20:47 chris :) 20:53 chris hey reed 21:05 reed hey 21:13 chris hay is what horses eat 21:14 * chris channels his grandmother 21:15 Nate I always heard it as "Hay is for horses" 21:16 chris that works too 21:17 reed too early, need coffee before I can be that clever 21:17 chris you could have one of these cans of sugar drink laced with caffeine 21:17 chris on 2nd thought, don't 21:17 reed very cool tho that someone is willing to take on a 60 hours of flights to make kohacon 21:18 chris yeah thats awesome 21:28 * jwagner whimpers in jealousy -- I wanna go! 21:30 jwagner But I guess I'll head off to my meeting instead :-( 21:51 brendan @wunder 93117 21:51 munin brendan: The current temperature in Northwest Goleta, Goleta, California is 22.4�C (2:54 PM PDT on June 09, 2010). Conditions: Clear. Humidity: 61%. Dew Point: 14.0�C. Pressure: 29.95 in 1014.1 hPa (Falling). Wind Advisory in effect until 3 am PDT Thursday... 22:47 chris back