Time Nick Message 01:41 * chris_n drags by after another 650 bales of straw :-P 01:41 chris yikes 01:42 chris hay baling was one of my least favourite holiday jobs 01:44 chris_n that makes 1150 bales between this evening and Saturday 01:44 chris thats a lot of hay 01:45 chris_n it's a tough job, but my children enjoy it (especially the selling part ;) 01:45 chris do you do rectangle bales? 01:45 chris the rage here is now round ones 01:45 chris_n yup 01:45 chris_n we do round ones too, but the small ones make more $$$ 01:46 chris right 01:46 chris i remember throwing them up onto the back of the truck, that followed the tractor 01:46 chris need good leather gloves, or that baling twine shreds your hands 01:46 * chris_n runs the baler and lets the kids do the pickup work 01:47 chris and by the end of the day, my arms were shot, so i couldnt throw them high enough and they would bounce off the stack and hit me on the head 01:47 chris fun times :) 01:47 chris_n yeah, it will burn you up if you're not careful 01:47 chris_n hehe 01:47 chris_n we actually had about 15 kids helping 01:47 chris_n it was a blast 01:47 chris it still is better than crutching though 01:47 * larsw realizes how urban he is 01:47 chris http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Crutching 01:48 chris ah yeah, with a big group of kids, that'd be fun ;) 01:48 chris_n ouch 01:48 chris the thing that gets you in crutching, is unlike full shearing, you dont get to stand up between sheep 01:49 chris basically someone jsut keeps dragging new ones over and you stay in a crouch 01:49 chris shearing you go grab a new one each time 01:49 chris really hard on the back 01:49 chris_n I saw a sheep sheared with hand shears the other weekend 01:50 chris_n it did not look fun for either the person or the sheep 01:50 chris that takes a lot of skill 01:50 larsw sheep. I have not seen enough sheep in NZ yet. must fix. 01:50 chris_n this lady did it in about 15 min 01:50 chris impressive 01:50 chris_n no nicks either 01:50 chris doubly impressive 01:51 * chris_n invites larsw to the country :) 01:51 chris i used to be able to do one in about that time .. with electric shears :) 01:51 chris_n it was amazing to me how much lanolin there was in the fleece 01:51 chris oh yeah, shearers have some of the softest hands in the world :-) 01:52 larsw if I could buy a 600mm lens for an APC-C sized sensor, or effectively 960 mm, I could experience sheep from quite far away -- but that might still be close enough :) 01:52 chris_n lol 01:52 chris you're not an nzer until you have had a ram head butt you in the crotch 01:52 larsw well, s/buy/borrow/ 01:52 * chris_n winces 01:52 larsw chris, thanks for the warning, I'll be leaving on the next ship :) 01:52 * chris makes up a new rule :) 01:54 chris_n I must say that after staring at a computer screen all day, some good old-fashioned hard work makes for a nice change 01:56 reed we should all go see the gold shears competition when it happens next 01:56 reed short train ride from here I think 01:56 reed golden 01:58 chris heh 01:58 chris you can catch it on tv usually 01:58 chris http://www.goldenshears.co.nz/ 01:59 reed yeah, seen bits 01:59 chris maybe we could build them a website 01:59 reed and it's something Jan would even like 01:59 larsw ice hockey, shearing... reasons to not have a tv :) 02:04 chris wb wizzyrea_laptop 02:04 wizzyrea_laptop thanks :) 02:19 chris oh nice email from atz 03:23 Amit heya chris 03:23 Amit @weather Dehradun 03:23 munin Amit: The current temperature in Dehradun, India is 22.0�C (5:30 AM IST on June 08, 2010). Conditions: Mist. Humidity: 82%. Dew Point: 19.0�C. Pressure: 29.53 in 1000 hPa. 03:23 Amit @weather Bangalore 03:23 munin Amit: The current temperature in Bangalore, India is 21.0�C (5:30 AM IST on June 08, 2010). Conditions: Partly Cloudy. Humidity: 82%. Dew Point: 19.0�C. 03:23 Amit @weather New Delhi 03:23 munin Amit: The current temperature in New Delhi, India is 21.0�C (8:30 AM IST on June 08, 2010). Conditions: Light Rain. Humidity: 100%. Dew Point: 21.0�C. Pressure: 29.65 in 1004 hPa (Steady). 03:24 chris @weather wellington,nz 03:24 munin chris: The current temperature in Wellington, New Zealand is 8.0�C (3:00 PM NZST on June 08, 2010). Conditions: Rain Showers. Humidity: 81%. Dew Point: 5.0�C. Windchill: 3.0�C. Pressure: 29.68 in 1005 hPa (Steady). 03:27 richard was 6 deg in brooklyn 20 mins ago - according to my car anyway 03:28 wizzyrea_laptop @weather lawrence, KS 03:28 munin wizzyrea_laptop: The current temperature in Channel 6 Downtown, Lawrence, Kansas is 22.5�C (10:31 PM CDT on June 07, 2010). Conditions: Clear. Humidity: 78%. Dew Point: 19.0�C. Pressure: 29.88 in 1011.7 hPa (Rising). 03:29 chris yeah its not warm 03:29 chris metservice say 6, feels like -1 03:29 chris (with the windchill) 03:29 wizzyrea_laptop brr 03:30 larsw it's just a matter of dressing properly... 03:31 chris :) 03:31 wizzyrea_laptop well, here it's more an issue of UN dressing properly 05:34 indradg_ Amit, ping 05:47 Amit hi indradg 06:07 Elwell @weather christchurch, nz 06:07 munin Elwell: The current temperature in Christchurch, New Zealand is 5.0�C (6:00 PM NZST on June 08, 2010). Conditions: Mostly Cloudy. Humidity: 93%. Dew Point: 4.0�C. Windchill: 0.0�C. Pressure: 29.83 in 1010 hPa (Steady). 06:25 indradg_ @weather kolkata 06:25 munin indradg_: The current temperature in Kolkata, India is 36.0�C (11:50 AM IST on June 08, 2010). Conditions: Haze. Humidity: 63%. Dew Point: 28.0�C. Pressure: 29.59 in 1002 hPa (Steady). 06:46 kmkale Good afternoon 07:01 kf morning #koha 07:09 paul hello world 07:12 Amit heya kf, kmkale, paul 07:12 kmkale hi Amit 07:51 Amit kmkale: i seeing your mail on koha mailing list 07:51 Amit kmkale: i m seeing your mail on koha mailing list 07:51 kmkale yes Amit 07:52 Amit good idea 07:55 kmkale Thanks. Good projects like Granthalaya.org need all the support we can get 07:55 chris granthalaya.org++ 07:56 chris Elwell++ #for the pod fixes 07:57 kmkale thanks chris 07:57 * chris wonders if richard is around? 08:01 Elwell no worries 08:37 hdl_laptop hi all 08:44 chris hi hdl_laptop 08:46 hdl_laptop hi chris 09:20 richard hi chris 09:23 * richard wanders off 09:59 Amit @weather New Delhi 09:59 munin Amit: The current temperature in New Delhi, India is 25.0�C (3:00 PM IST on June 08, 2010). Conditions: Overcast. Humidity: 83%. Dew Point: 22.0�C. Pressure: 29.65 in 1004 hPa (Steady). 09:59 Amit @weather Dehradun 09:59 munin Amit: The current temperature in Dehradun, India is 31.0�C (2:30 PM IST on June 08, 2010). Conditions: Mostly Cloudy. Humidity: 45%. Dew Point: 20.0�C. Pressure: 29.50 in 999 hPa. 09:59 Amit @weather Bangalore 09:59 munin Amit: The current temperature in Bangalore, India is 29.0�C (2:30 PM IST on June 08, 2010). Conditions: Partly Cloudy. Humidity: 52%. Dew Point: 20.0�C. 10:51 kf @wunder Konstanz 10:51 munin kf: The current temperature in Taegerwilen, Germany is 23.1�C (12:54 PM CEST on June 08, 2010). Conditions: Clear. Humidity: 69%. Dew Point: 17.0�C. Pressure: 29.77 in 1008.0 hPa (Rising). 10:53 kf which version is the debian repository? 10:54 kf there is a question on German mailing list "how to install German translation during installation" and it depends on version :) 11:03 chris master 11:04 chris http://debian.koha-community.org/koha/pool/main/k/koha/ 11:04 chris see that number there? 11:04 chris 20100608105233.2b2434ef 11:04 chris tells you it was updated today 11:05 chris and 2b2434ef is the commit 11:05 gmcharlt thought at some point debian packages of Koha translations would be nice 11:05 chris yep, its on the list 11:06 chris kf: so the short answer is its built from master, until a 3.2 branch is created, then it will be built from there 11:07 chris http://wiki.koha-community.org/wiki/Debian#Update_policy 11:07 kf hi chris 11:07 chris hi kf 11:07 kf he wrote to my mail address yesterday and now to list, really want to answer today 11:08 chris heh i guess so :) 11:08 kf so master branch is 3.0? 11:08 chris no 11:08 kf 'Until Koha 3.2 is released, the Koha packages will be built from the master branch, for the squeeze-dev pocket. When Koha 3.2 releases, packages for the squeeze pocket will be built from the 3.2 branch.' 11:09 chris master is what will be 3.2 11:09 kf 3.2-master? 11:09 kf but where can I see now what version that is? how old? 11:09 chris its running the latest code from master, everyday 11:09 kf ok, I think its without german web installer files and german interface should work, but not sure how old the files are, better download from pootle 11:10 kf oh 11:10 kf cool 11:10 kf larsw++ 11:10 chris until 3.2 is released, and then the stable package will only be updated at each release, and the unstable one will track master again (maybe :)) 11:11 kf really cool - thanx chris! chris++ 11:11 chris but at the moment it means once you havce installed the package, you can just apt-get update 11:11 chris apt-get upgrade 11:11 chris to be running the latest (or close to it) 11:12 chris of course, we are still testing the packaging, and there is more work to do but it mostly works :) 11:12 CGI751 hi there 11:12 kf ah, but I still have to perl translate install de-DE before I use the web installer? 11:12 chris larsw is fixing any bugs reported 11:13 kf does it include translations or do you need to download them? 11:13 chris lemme look 11:13 CGI751 an expert man can help about koha 3 11:13 chris kf: have to download them 11:14 CGI751 i install koha 3 succesfully 11:14 kf ok - thx a lot. 11:15 kf but before I can answer him, I have to find out why my library cant reset passwords for their borrowers... 11:15 CGI751 what can i import old record into koha library ? 11:16 CGI751 i test bulkmarcimport.pl script , but it dosn't work ? 11:17 kf CGI751: not sure I can help, but more information is needed here: which version of koha, unimarc or marc? what kind of records are you importiing? error messages? 11:17 CGI751 koha 3.0.0.6 11:18 CGI751 iso2709 to unimarc 11:18 CGI751 no error message 11:18 CGI751 my iso file contain more than 3000 record 11:19 CGI751 but when i import it , 11:19 kf your records are unimarc? 11:19 CGI751 message tel me one record importet !!!??? 11:19 kf which options did you use for import? 11:20 CGI751 option = -file 11:21 kf try to use -v for verbose 11:21 kf and I think you perhaps need to set the marc format to unimarc 11:21 kf nto sure what standard is, but I think marc21 11:22 CGI751 my old record is iso2709 11:22 jdavidb g'mornin', #koha 11:23 chris hi jdavidb 11:23 CGI751 i test it now 11:23 kmkale hi jdavidb 11:24 CGI751 hi jdavidb 11:28 chris hi jwagner, francharb, nengard 11:28 francharb hi chris 11:29 jwagner morning/evening chris 11:31 chris the hail is keeping me awake 11:35 CGI401 Anyone around to help with an Koha install "make test" error? 11:35 chris whats the error? 11:36 nengard i'm working on a section for the manual with all of the check out warnings that pop up - the yellow boxes - I have found 2 - can someone remind me of triggers for these messages? 11:36 CGI401 I don't even know why it's doing this check as the DB is still empty: DBD::mysql::db selectrow_array failed: Table 'koha.itemdeletelist' doesn't exist at /tmp/harley/blib/PERL_MODULE_DIR/C4/ItemDeleteList.pm line 147. 11:37 chris nengard: huh? 11:37 nengard when you check things out 11:37 nengard you get those yellow pop up boxes 11:37 nengard if someone tries to check out an item on hold for someone else 11:37 jwagner nengard, in general any condition that blocks a checkout will bring up one of those boxes. If all the bugs have been fixed :-) the box will have text in it with the reason for the block. 11:37 nengard right - but i'm trying to trigger them so i can get screenshots for the manual - so i'm looking for a list of things that trigger them :) 11:37 chris yep, checking the template is probably the easiest way 11:38 nengard good idea 11:38 nengard thanks 11:38 chris CGI401: yeah you can ignore that one 11:38 CGI401 Super! Thanks 11:39 chris it should have asked you if you wanted to run the db dependant tests 11:39 CGI401 When I ran the make test? 11:39 chris when you ran perl Makefile.PL 11:40 CGI401 Yes, it did. defaulted to No if I remember correctly. Should I re-run it with that test? or would this message not have appeared if I ran the test first? 11:41 CGI751 hi again KF: 11:41 chris no, it shouldnt be doing any tests the need the db if you choose no, but its safe to ignore for now 11:41 CGI401 Thanks 11:41 kf sorry, phone call 11:54 nengard so looking at the template for the check out page - and not all of these messages trigger ... uh oh :) 12:21 owen Happy birthday jdavidb! 12:21 kf ooooooh 12:21 jdavidb Thanks, owen! :) 12:21 kf happy birthday jdavidb! and Alles Gute zum Geburtstag! 12:22 chris hari huri tau ki a koe jdavidb 12:23 * jdavidb loves working on a global project. 12:23 jdavidb Thanks, kf and chris. :) 12:24 jdavidb It's my 39th birthday, version 4.0. :) 12:25 chris :) 12:25 kf :) 12:25 owen I've had some years that could've used a bug fix or two 12:27 jdavidb My 29th became abandonware after v9.0. Just had gone too far afield... 12:28 kf i think i will adapt your versioning system 12:28 owen I'm still waiting for them to publish a manual for age 13. 12:29 chris it involves lots of door slamming 12:29 chris they wrote the manual, but then the person writing it declared i hate you all, and set it on fire 12:29 owen :D 12:30 kf :) 12:31 collum Paraphrase of Mark Twain's manual. When they are 13 put them in a barrel with a knot hole to feed them. When they turn 15 plug up the knot hole. 12:33 chris heh 12:34 chris ok time for some sleep 12:34 chris_n g'morning 12:34 chris_n errr g'night 12:34 owen g'morning works for me ;) 12:35 kf good night chris 12:35 * chris_n wishes jdavidb happy birthday too 12:35 kf we need to find a way to send birthday cakes by irc 12:42 kmkale back. 12:42 nengard kf i'm for finding a way to send any food at all via irc :) 12:42 kmkale happy b'day jdavidb 12:43 jwagner kmkale, congratulations on your announcement! 12:43 kmkale Thanks jwagner 12:43 jwagner nengard and kf, ESPECIALLLY chocolate! 12:43 nengard hehe 12:43 jdavidb so many, many nice folks....thanks, everyone, for the birthday wishes :) 12:44 * jwagner tells people to stop being nice to jdavidb now -- he'll start expecting that every day :-) 12:44 kmkale jdavidb: great versioning system. I think I will adapt it too.. 12:45 gmcharlt jwagner: I'll have to disappoint you a bit longer :) 12:45 gmcharlt jdavidb: hapy birthday! 12:46 jdavidb woo hoo! 12:47 jdavidb collum: I prefer a Mark-Twain-ish "gom jabbar": nail them in a barrel with two years worth of food...if they figure out how to escape before the grub runs out, they're intelligent enough to be called human. If not...well, they won't make more... 12:48 collum :) 12:48 collum Happy birthday jdavidb 13:03 kmkale nengard: http://wiki.koha-community.org/wiki/Koha_as_a_CMS is something missing in these below lines? 13:03 kmkale # Copy /usr/share/koha/opac/htdocs/opac-tmpl/prog/en/modules/opac-main.tmpl to /usr/share/koha/opac/htdocs/opac-tmpl/prog/en/modules/pages.tmpl 13:03 kmkale # At approximately line 38, change this: 13:03 kmkale # To this: 13:04 nengard hmmm 13:04 nengard probably an image ... 13:04 nengard the old wiki is gone so I can't find it - let me check the manual 13:05 nengard oh 13:05 nengard it was a commented bit of code 13:05 nengard will find it 13:08 * chris_n thought someone got a snapshot of the old wiki 13:08 gmcharlt as of a few months ago, I do 13:08 chris_n there was a bunch of stuff which did not get moved over 13:09 nengard okay it's there - i need formatting help though 13:09 nengard html as a syntax highlight doesn't work 13:09 nengard so i did perl and that screwed the page up 13:43 hdl_laptop Happy birthday jdavidb and Kivutar 13:43 * jdavidb perks up. Kivutar and I share a birthday? 13:44 paul jdavidb, yep ;-) (although he's only 26. A baby geek :D ) 13:45 gmcharlt they're so cute at that age ;) 13:49 chris_n lol 13:50 gmcharlt Kivutar: happy birthday 13:50 jdavidb Happy birthday, Kivutar! :) 13:51 Nate Happy Burfday jdavidb and Kivutar! 13:58 Kivutar :D 13:58 Kivutar thanks a lot 14:17 jwagner morning, wizzyrea -- caught your thieves yet? 14:18 wizzyrea no, I wish. 14:18 wizzyrea I don't hold a lot of hope 14:19 jwagner :-( 14:20 kmkale Happy B'day Kivutar 14:21 * jwagner_meeting dons sweater in preparation for ice-cold meeting room :-( 14:25 * kf sends jawagner hot chocolate ;) 14:57 CGI401 Hello all, having an apache problem with Koha. Can't get Admin interface up to run the web installer, port 80 is fine. When I restart apache I get this: 14:57 CGI401 VirtualHost MYIP:8080 overlaps with VirtualHost MYIP:8080, the first has precedence, perhaps you need a NameVirtualHost directive 14:57 CGI401 Any ideas? This usually just works! 14:57 wizzyrea you probably need to disable your default interface 14:57 CGI401 Tried that, same error 14:57 wizzyrea a2dissite default 15:00 kf bye all 15:04 CGI401 Anyone!? 15:20 bgkriegel CGI401, have you more than one VirtualHost MYIP:8080? 15:21 CGI401 No, It's really strange. I can't get any back from 8080, if I telnet to it locally I get disconnected, although nmap tells me something is there 15:22 CGI401 if I swap OPAC and ADMIN ports the same problem occurs, that is, I can then connect to the ADMIN page but not OPAC which is now on 8080 15:23 wizzyrea do you have something like NameVirtualHost * in your koha config? 15:24 wizzyrea you may need to comment that out 15:24 CGI401 When you say Koha config, where do you mean? Site-enabled? 15:24 wizzyrea yep 15:25 CGI401 It's the first line but it's commented out by default 15:25 wizzyrea can you paste the contents of that into a pastebin (pastebin.com) 15:25 wizzyrea maybe it will be illuminating 15:26 CGI401 yep.....1 minute 15:26 wizzyrea of your koha host 15:26 CGI401 koha host? 15:26 wizzyrea sorry, your koha apache config file 15:26 CGI401 into pastebin? Yep... 15:26 wizzyrea yes please 15:30 CGI401 That's there now - KohaConfigfile 15:31 wizzyrea link? 15:31 CGI401 T'wud by handy.........http://pastebin.com/ByKdnf5g 15:32 CGI401 BTW, I changed to port to 81 as you can see 15:32 wizzyrea try putting in the actual IP of your machine instead of * in front of :80 and :8080 15:32 wizzyrea and remove :81 15:33 CGI401 I did that at the start, will try it again, one minute 15:34 CGI401 Same problemo, port 80 comes up fine, nothing on 81 15:36 chris_n CGI401: do you have a 'listen 81' directive in your config? 15:36 wizzyrea or listen 8080 15:36 wizzyrea depending on which you want to work 15:37 CGI401 Sorry, I can see this looks confusing now. At the moment ports are set to listen on 81. I thought there might be a conflict on 8080, I can change back to 8080 to make it read better? 15:37 CGI401 so ATM, ports.conf: listen 80, and 81 15:38 chris_n I assume that there are two 'listen' lines 15:38 chris_n just a sanity check 15:38 CGI401 Yep!!! 15:44 CGI401 I noticed this when restarting Apache: 15:44 CGI401 [warn] NameVirtualHost *:80 has no VirtualHosts 15:44 CGI401 But port is up and running fine? 15:48 chris_n that might be an indication that your apache config has a NameVirtualHost * directive somewhere else in the config 15:49 CGI401 Even more strange, it was the ports.conf file had a reference to it. That warning is gone now......is there any verbose loggin I can switch on? 16:08 CGI401 OK - I have resovled the problem and its a pretty basic and embarassing problem! 16:08 CGI401 Wait for it......................port 8080 was not open to my host 16:09 CGI401 ditry iptables 16:15 wizzyrea owch 16:15 wizzyrea glad you figured it out though :D 16:16 CGI401 Thanks....and thanks for the help too! 16:33 owen hdl_laptop or paul around? 16:33 hdl_laptop I am 16:34 owen Hi hdl_laptop. I'm looking at Bug 3628 and have a question 16:34 munin 04Bug http://bugs.koha-community.org/bugzilla3/show_bug.cgi?id=3628 normal, P5, ---, henridamien, NEW, functionalities not present 16:34 owen It looks like two of the three items on that list have been pushed. The third one I think not? 16:35 owen If that is correct I'll revise the bug report and change it to an enhancement asking for the opacSerialDefaultTab preference 17:04 cait hi #koha 17:04 jwagner Hi cait 17:05 cait :) 17:19 jdavidb hi, cait! :) 17:45 * jdavidb tempts fate once more. 17:46 jdavidb @roulette 17:46 munin jdavidb: *click* 17:46 jdavidb rats. 17:46 jdavidb @roulette 17:46 * munin reloads and spins the chambers. 17:46 jdavidb Ah. Better. 17:47 owen jdavidb: munin has it in for you! 17:47 jdavidb It does! 17:47 jdavidb It's 3 for 4 since it got an op tag. 17:47 brendan @roulette 17:47 * munin reloads and spins the chambers. 17:48 * jdavidb whoops 17:48 owen munin is mad with power I tell you 17:48 munin owen: Error: "is" is not a valid command. 17:49 jdavidb @karma munin 17:49 munin jdavidb: Karma for "munin" has been increased 8 times and decreased 3 times for a total karma of 5. 17:50 * jdavidb gets out a slingshot and a bag of Skittles, and prepares to defend himself against munin. 17:54 * jdavidb has birthday cookies from a coworker---anyone want some? 17:55 wasabi @roulette 17:55 * munin reloads and spins the chambers. 17:56 wasabi @roulette 17:56 munin wasabi: *click* 17:56 wasabi @roulette 17:56 munin wasabi: *click* 17:56 wasabi @roulette 17:56 * munin reloads and spins the chambers. 17:57 collum munin take_it_easy 17:57 munin collum: Error: "take_it_easy" is not a valid command. 17:57 collum :) 17:58 * chris_n tries to imagine munin with a 10 gallon hat and cowboy boots on 17:58 tomascohen does anyone know who is responsible for the code of "IsMemberBlocked"? 17:58 nengard heh 17:58 chris_n tomascohen: bit blame does 17:58 chris_n s/bit/git/ 17:59 nengard i don't understand git blame 17:59 nengard or how to use it 17:59 nengard just fyi 17:59 tomascohen chris_n: thanks, i'll try.. We have weird behaviour in several cases 17:59 tomascohen i is getting worse 17:59 tomascohen :D 18:00 sekjal nengard: it's really handy. shows you, line by line, who submitted the commit that added each line to a file 18:00 nengard but what do it give it to get an answer? like do i say git blame IsMemberBlocked ? 18:00 nengard or what? 18:00 tomascohen chris_n: its really awesome 18:01 nengard i haven't needed it 18:01 tomascohen git blame Members.pm 18:01 nengard ahh 18:01 nengard cool 18:01 * chris_n runs and hides 18:01 sekjal you can specify only the lines for IsMemberBlocked, if you know them 18:01 chris_n git blame foo.pm | grep culprits_name 18:01 sekjal rather than having to read the whole Members.pm file 18:02 nengard very cool - thanks for the tips :) maybe an article for the next next newsletter (yes i meant to type next 2 times) 18:02 chris_n nengard: git blame foo.pm | grep IsMemberBlocked 18:02 chris_n opps... git blame Members.pm | grep IsMemberBlocked 18:47 jwagner @quote random 18:47 munin jwagner: Quote #3: "< bignose-work> the only constant in climate over the next several decades will be that the climate doesn't match what you just got used to." (added by chris at 09:55 PM, June 11, 2009) 18:47 wizzyrea @quote random 18:47 munin wizzyrea: Quote #10: "< pianohacker> You helped start an open source project; clearly your sense of what to avoid to make your life easier has been impaired for a while :)" (added by chris at 03:59 PM, June 23, 2009) 18:48 wizzyrea @quote random 18:48 munin wizzyrea: Quote #14: "joetho: I only looked for missing ccodes- not dysfunctional orphans." (added by wizzyrea at 04:31 PM, July 09, 2009) 18:50 jdavidb @quote random 18:50 munin jdavidb: Quote #43: "< Ropuch> Uh - beware of tea: it can burn your throat" (added by chris at 04:35 AM, October 30, 2009) 18:50 jdavidb @roulette 18:50 munin jdavidb: *click* 18:50 wizzyrea hehe 18:50 jdavidb @roulette 18:50 munin jdavidb: *click* 18:50 * jdavidb grins 18:50 jdavidb @roulette 18:50 munin jdavidb: *click* 18:50 jdavidb aw, c'mon... 18:50 wizzyrea @eightball Do you know the answer of that burning question I have? 18:50 munin wizzyrea: No chance. 18:51 wizzyrea bummer. 18:51 jwagner jdavidb, if you WANT to be shot, I'm sure we can oblige :-) 18:51 * jwagner is feeling snarky today 18:52 jdavidb @eightball Will I ever get caught up with stuff here? 18:52 munin jdavidb: One would be wise to think so. 18:52 * jdavidb kicks munin in the shins. 18:53 jdavidb @roulette 18:53 munin jdavidb: *click* 19:01 wizzyrea nengard www.koha-community.org/wp-content/uploads/kohadocs/koha3-2manual.pdf 19:07 wizzyrea i know, no images, I'm looking into that part 19:08 jdavidb @roulette 19:08 munin jdavidb: *click* 19:40 brendan kind of more fun when munin has OPS 19:40 brendan ;) 19:40 wizzyrea well promote him 19:40 wizzyrea sheesh 19:41 brendan he has OPS 19:41 wizzyrea oh I wasn't asking to be promoted... so much responsibility 19:42 wizzyrea ^.^ 19:42 wizzyrea and hi 20:11 wizzyrea damaged items should not be pickable 20:11 wizzyrea correcT? 20:11 wizzyrea for holds queues? 20:11 owen I think so, but whoever designed the holds queue report disagreed 20:11 wizzyrea AHA 20:12 wizzyrea so 20:12 wizzyrea bug or feature 20:13 owen wizzyrea: I don't know, are you ready for the whole "define availability go-round" again? :) 20:13 wizzyrea mickey claims that it doesn't pick damaged items if it's the only 20:13 wizzyrea item 20:13 wizzyrea BRING IT 20:13 wizzyrea ;) 20:14 owen wizzyrea: In our experience that was not correct. Our holds queue report would list a damaged item even with other copies available 20:14 owen However, we've been using a home-grown report for a while now, so I guess it could have changed. 20:15 wizzyrea ooh 20:15 wizzyrea some day you must share this with me >.> 20:16 owen I'll have to take a look at it to see if I would embarrass myself if anyone saw it 20:16 wizzyrea how is id different? 20:16 wizzyrea hehe 20:16 wizzyrea I could send you some of my code, then you woulnd't be embarrassed. 20:16 wizzyrea because at least you'd be better than me >.> 20:20 wizzyrea owen: If the only item that exists for a bib, and it's marked damaged, it picks it? 20:21 wizzyrea tenses, I mix them. rock and roll. 20:21 owen I'd have to run a fresh test to really be able to confirm that 20:21 wizzyrea it's ok 20:21 wizzyrea don't do that, because we can do that :) 20:21 joetho send it to her anonymously 20:21 owen The two things we wanted for our holds queue report: Exclude damaged items, and show the barcode. 20:21 joetho I send her anonymous stuff all the time 20:21 wizzyrea we did the barcode thing 20:22 joetho how did you do the barcode? 20:22 * wizzyrea added it to the template, we have a custom one for that 20:22 wizzyrea one of like, 5 templates we have that are custom on the staff side 20:22 joetho I figured 20:22 joetho I would like to customize ours at some point 20:23 pianohacker I'd like to get down to 5 custom templates someday ;_; 20:23 * wizzyrea pats pianohacker 20:25 * owen built a PHP script that pulls from our Koha database 20:27 owen gotta go, quittin' time 20:33 richard hi 20:39 wizzyrea well it looks like you can't *place* a hold on a damaged item 20:39 wizzyrea but if a hold is existent, the item can be PICKED 20:43 chris morning 20:43 chris stop picking at your items wizzyrea 20:45 wizzyrea they're like boogers, I can't stop 20:46 wizzyrea lol, how do you refer to the process of picking items to fill reserves 20:52 joetho if you keep picking items, they will never heal 20:55 chris heh 20:55 chris wizzyrea: i have no idea 20:58 chris richard: i was gonna ask, could i get a demo of kakama set up to try out? 20:59 richard have one for you already 20:59 * richard hunts up a url 20:59 chris sweet 21:00 chris have ppl seen this? http://katipo.co.nz/solutions/kakama/ 21:00 chris libraries do lots of staff rosters i imagine 21:00 chris and events 21:00 richard the next step for it is to do recurring events to make it more of a roster thing 21:01 chris cool 21:01 richard at the moment it's geared more to handle rosterging staff for one-off events 21:01 chris it will be being used to roster staff for kohacon10 i imagine .. the convention centre use it eh? 21:02 richard yeah they do 21:02 chris noice synchronicity :) 21:04 richard chris: http://demo.kakama.org/ 21:04 chris ta 21:07 richard give me a yell if you want some tips on how to drive it - the website pages are the specs i wrote up for it so might be missing some "instruction manual" type stuff 21:08 chris ahh right cool will do 21:22 wizzyrea richard: I first read that as the "insurrection manual" 21:22 wizzyrea perhaps I should go home. 21:22 richard :) 21:26 larsw it seems I need to learn about Koha translations so I can get them included in the Debian packages 21:27 chris :) 21:28 chris misc/translator/translate 21:28 pianohacker larsw: Chris is the person to ask :) 21:28 larsw pianohacker, yes, he generally is :) 21:28 chris if you run it without options it gives you a nice help page 21:28 chris fredericd actually wrote translate ... its nice 21:36 larsw chris turned around and discussed this with me 21:36 chris rl is handy sometimes 21:36 larsw I'll figure out the mechanics and include all the translations in the deb at some point 21:36 larsw filing bug about it now 22:52 wasabi any good git commands to check a repo's correctness? 22:52 chris gonna need to use more words wasabi 22:53 chris correctness as in what? 22:53 chilts git fsck gives some diagnostics 22:53 chilts but if it's broken, it's probably worth re-cloning 22:53 wasabi lol, ta :) 22:53 * chilts has _never_ used it 22:53 chilts have never seen the need 22:54 wasabi it was a silly question... :p 22:54 jo Mason: do you know much about the holds report options in circulation menu 22:55 wasabi not really... 22:55 jo ok 22:55 wasabi its refers to LLEK holds stuff i think? 22:55 wasabi twas 1 year since i looked 22:56 chris its definitely not to do with LLEK 22:57 chris http://koha-community.org/documentation/3-2-manual/?ch=x6583#holdsqueue 22:58 wasabi checks... 22:59 jo thanks 23:02 wasabi ahh, holds-report uses misc/cronjobs/holds/build_holds_queue.pl 23:03 wasabi i though build_holds_queue.pl referred to LLEK only holds-tables 23:04 chris nope, just like the manual says :-) 23:05 * wasabi slaps silly hand with authoritative hand 23:13 larsw what do the database-dependent tests actually do? is it safe to run them? 23:17 jdavidb @roulette 23:17 * munin reloads and spins the chambers. 23:17 jdavidb :) 23:18 chris larsw: yes its safe 23:18 chris jdavidb: you are up late 23:18 jdavidb 7:30 PM here. Just logged on later than usual. 23:20 chris ahhh