Time  Nick        Message
22:45 munin       moodaepo: The current temperature in South on Monks, Mankato, Minnesota is 21.1�C (5:45 PM CDT on June 01, 2010). Conditions: Clear. Humidity: 71%. Dew Point: 16.0�C. Pressure: 29.71 in 1006.0 hPa (Falling).
22:45 moodaepo    @wunder 56001
22:40 larsw       (distributed version control, bug tracking, and now mailing list archives... hmm)
22:40 larsw       many of the mails look like they're only partial
22:40 larsw       yeah, that'd be my guess as well
22:40 chris       i suspect they got busted in the migration from lists.koha.org
22:35 larsw       date stamps missing, too... but some quoted mails have them, from 2003
22:33 larsw       including one that discusses how chris is the release manager for 1.2 (http://lists.koha-community.org/pipermail/koha-devel/2010-May/017014.html)
22:33 larsw       http://lists.koha-community.org/pipermail/koha-devel/2010-May/thread.html has a long list of "No subject" mails at the bottom
22:16 larsw       ho hum, kohacon road trip
22:14 chris       heh
22:13 reed        it's because Al and Tipper split up
22:07 chris       still raining here
21:28 munin       brendan: The current temperature in Northwest Goleta, Goleta, California is 17.6�C (2:30 PM PDT on June 01, 2010). Conditions: Haze. Humidity: 71%. Dew Point: 12.0�C. Pressure: 29.98 in 1015.1 hPa (Falling).
21:28 brendan     @wunder 93117
20:56 libtek      Thanks for the info guys.  I'll see what I can figure out here.
20:50 chris       if you dont want to run a full mailserver yourself, i would just do that, (ie set your MTA up to just send all mail up to a relay)
20:45 chris       libtek: no, but you can set up exim4 or postfix or whatever to be a smarthost (ie just relay all mail)
20:44 wizzyrea    at the risk of starting a "which MTA is better" war.
20:44 chris       back
20:44 wizzyrea    http://www.linuxforums.org/forum/ubuntu-help/149371-how-install-sendmail-ubuntu-9-04-a.html may help
20:35 libtek      Is there a way to point koha to an SMTP relay rather than rely on a mail service on the same machine?  I haven't set up any service on this machine, and am not sure what it would involve.  I can't find any instructions on setting up the mail service for koha.
20:33 richard     hi
20:29 jcamins_mib It occurred to me I ought to check, before I rewrite the git history.
20:28 jcamins_mib I'll ask again once or twice, to make sure that I don't break anyone else's repository (worse than I already have!).
20:26 wizzyrea    not afaik, but I'm not really the one to ask jcamins_mib
20:25 wizzyrea    yes, that's the idea
20:23 jcamins_mib (errr... that is, github.com/jcamins/koha )
20:23 jcamins_mib So far as anyone knows, no one has branched off my git repository, right?
20:18 libtek      before stable release then?
20:18 libtek      Okay, so the bugs that list later than 3.0 are for upcoming versions, and these are issues being addressed before release?
20:17 wizzyrea    the latest stable release is 3.0.6
20:17 wizzyrea    this is for the next version, 3.2
20:16 libtek      I'm confused about the version.  Is this version even available?  I thought the latest was 3.0.6
20:16 munin       04Bug http://bugs.koha-community.org/bugzilla3/show_bug.cgi?id=2367 major, PATCH-Sent, ---, gmcharlt, NEW, Holds Awaiting Pickup not limiting by library
20:16 wizzyrea    bug 2367
20:15 libtek      I'm looking at one of the bugs your name is attached to.  #2367
20:15 nengard     yes
20:15 libtek      available?
20:15 libtek      nengard: are you avaialble?
20:13 owen        good night all from me too
20:07 cait        good night all
20:03 munin       owen: The operation succeeded.
20:03 owen        @later tell jwagner In HEAD multiple 520s are output on separate lines
19:59 jwagner     Sorry, but I have to hit the road (in between thunderstorms).  Maybe we can pick up the discussion tomorrow?  Thanks
19:58 owen        Hmmm.... Really the XSLT view shouldn't even put the 520 there, since we have the title notes tab. Either that or the notes tab should be suppressed
19:57 jwagner     wizzyrea, suppress?  Switching to non-XSLT takes it off the top part.
19:57 wizzyrea    if you suppress it, it's gone in both places?
19:54 jwagner     compare the top-of-page display with the Title Notes tab
19:53 jwagner     owen, see http://cmbsc.kohalibrary.com/cgi-bin/koha/opac-detail.pl?biblionumber=21620
19:53 wizzyrea    or maybe i'm high.
19:52 collum      Just went over to cataloging and tried to add line breaks to a 520 field through connexion.  We couldn't.
19:51 wizzyrea    so whitelist <pre> and add a style for it and put that in your record.
19:51 wizzyrea    I wonder if what you really need there is something like http://perishablepress.com/press/2010/06/01/wrapping-content/
19:51 owen        Do you have an example online of the 520 problem?
19:51 owen        Your last troublesome example showed the multiple 505s: http://hartford.waldo.kohalibrary.com/cgi-bin/koha/opac-detail.pl?biblionumber=302822
19:51 jwagner     Also, this is an older system, I don't know what current XSLT might be doing....Need to research more when I have a few brain cells (and minutes) to spare.  I was hoping someone had a quick answer though :-(
19:50 jwagner     Actually, I don't know what it does with 505s, haven't looked.  I did try creating a separate 520 and it just appended it.
19:49 * jwagner   gracefully but definitively refuses the mantle of oracle
19:49 * owen      advises, Seek jwagner for the complicated MARC example you seek
19:48 owen        jwagner: You're going to become the oracle of complicated MARC records at this rate.
19:48 owen        XSLT puts multiple 505s on separate lines but not multiple 520s?
19:45 jwagner     Maybe it would help if the XSLT didn't put all the 520s on one line.  Then breaking the entry into multiple 520s would achieve some screen separation.
19:45 jwagner     Not that I've ever seen.  I've run into people trying to do this before, in Unicorn.  No good solution there either.
19:44 owen        I wonder if there are MARC-legal formatting rules: line breaks allowed?
19:44 jwagner     I frankly don't want to encourage adding HTML into MARC, but there should be some way for XSLT to break up lengthy entries.
19:43 jwagner     "then don't do that" doesn't seem to be a workable solution for them :-(
19:43 jwagner     owen, no they're actually adding HTML into the 520, like <P> and <li> etc. to format the output.  It works nicely in the Title Notes tab, but looks horrible in the main XSLT-controlled display.
19:36 owen        Or jwagner do you want them to be able to add HTML tags?
19:36 owen        Sounds more like there are line feeds in the 520 field that need to be converted to HTML for output
19:34 zico        cait: yes, my cron job is running
19:34 owen        chris: HTML scrubbing? Why would there be HTML in the 520 field?
19:33 nengard     wizzyrea you rock!!
19:33 wizzyrea    nengard: I added the jquery bits you were asking for to the wiki
19:30 chris       the real fix is to allow certain tags through, <p> <br /> etc .. and escape everything else, ie have a whitelist
19:27 jwagner     chris, thanks but I don't want to make it vulnerable.  I've told them to turn off XSLT if they don't mind losing the other features....
19:25 chris       (kids are eating porridge ..well kahu is, atarau is kinda smearing it around, so i have about 10 mins to read email before work)
19:25 chris       well, you could turn off the html scrubbing for the xslt, then you are open to xss attacks though
19:22 * jdavidb   waves
19:22 cait        is your cron job running?
19:21 zico        can anyone bring some advice?
19:20 zico        but... Suddenly... though there are some holdings...but... my "Hold Queue" is not showing anything
19:20 zico        till last night... it was working
19:20 zico        suddenly i am facing problem regarding "Hold Issue" buttons
19:19 zico        hi
19:08 jwagner     So right now the only solution is "don't use XSLT" which has its own drawbacks :-(
19:07 jwagner     I tried splitting some of the content into a second 520 field, and the XSLT helpfully tacked it onto the end of the first one.
19:07 owen        jwagner: I don't think anyone has come up with a solution yet
19:06 jwagner     If I can interrupt with a serious question, though -- a site has a very long 520 field and has been using HTML markup tags in the MARC to make it display nicely under the OPAC title notes tab.  (Sigh)  The 520 in XSLT shows in the main summary area, though, and pays no attention to the markup tags, except to display them prominently.  How do people deal with lengthy note fields other than having them display as one very large runon paragraph?
19:06 munin       tomascohen: The current temperature in Cordoba Aerodrome, Argentina is 16.0�C (3:00 PM ART on June 01, 2010). Conditions: Clear. Humidity: 40%. Dew Point: 6.0�C. Pressure: 30.16 in 1021 hPa (Falling).
19:05 tomascohen  @wunder Cordoba, Argentina
19:05 chris       ok time to make the kids breakfast bbiab
19:04 jwagner     collum, stupid pet/criminal tricks don't count :-)
19:01 chris       unless its in world, or national, its all pretty much not serious
19:01 wizzyrea    so I suppose I couldn't expect it to be serious news
19:01 wizzyrea    I guess it is in the life and style section
19:00 wizzyrea    oh I like this headline: "Kim Kardashian 'brutally teased'"
18:58 cait        :)
18:58 jdavidb     The phase above "gully-washer" is when the animals start lining up two by two.
18:57 jdavidb     heh.
18:57 * wizzyrea  really did lol
18:57 owen        jdavidb: You left out "toad-strangler"
18:57 jdavidb     In Texas, rain is measured in the following increments, "just a sprinkle", "little bit", "a good soak", and "gully-washer."
18:57 owen        Expressing a decimal fraction of an inch is double-silly.
18:56 wizzyrea    (though no less silly than .02in)
18:56 wizzyrea    ok, I can see now why you like mm, I think. That is a good reason... .0025cm *is* a silly way to write it
18:54 collum      jwagner: Not really.  Here's some real news. http://www.finextra.com/news/fullstory.aspx?newsitemid=21431
18:53 wizzyrea    oh my
18:53 wizzyrea    LOL
18:53 * jdavidb   thought y'all were talking about what everyone but America calls "crisps"--fritos "scoops" for instance.
18:53 jdavidb     scoop size on....oh!
18:52 jwagner     fake news is always more interesting anyway
18:51 chris       we have no real news obviously
18:50 chris       http://www.stuff.co.nz/life-style/food-wine/3760302/With-chips-scoop-size-does-matter
18:48 chris       which is 0.0025cm which just looks silly .. its mostly mm just cos usually we dont get that much :)
18:48 * owen      voted, naturally.
18:48 chris       well light rain is .25mm/hour
18:48 owen        wizzyrea: Did you get this poll on that page? "Should the size of a scoop of chips be standardised?" Talk about hating the imprecise!
18:42 wizzyrea    pbbbt
18:42 chris       wizzyrea: you and your imprecise measurements :)
18:42 collum      oops.  east rather.  Long day.
18:42 wizzyrea    but will let it go. :)
18:42 chris       we arent even getting the worst of it
18:42 * wizzyrea  still wonders why mm instead of cm.
18:41 chris       http://www.stuff.co.nz/national/3765370/Motorists-trapped-by-heavy-rain
18:41 chris       hehe, today it does
18:41 * collum    thinks it's odd that the clouds don't move west.
18:40 collum      chris: does the rain in NZ just spin around Wellington?
18:39 nengard     that doesn't mention the thunder I keep hearing....
18:39 munin       nengard: The current temperature in Mercer County, Ewing, New Jersey is 25.9�C (2:41 PM EDT on June 01, 2010). Conditions: Partly Cloudy. Humidity: 68%. Dew Point: 20.0�C. Pressure: 29.82 in 1009.7 hPa (Rising).
18:39 nengard     @wunder 19030
18:39 munin       cait: The current temperature in Reutlingen, Germany is 14.8�C (8:40 PM CEST on June 01, 2010). Conditions: Clear. Humidity: 61%. Dew Point: 7.0�C. Pressure: 29.88 in 1011.7 hPa (Steady).
18:39 cait        @wunder Reutlingen
18:38 nengard     after a 90 degree day - can you say global warning?
18:38 cait        its raining here since begin of may...
18:38 chris       http://metservice.com/national/maps-rain-radar/rain-radar/all-nz-rain-last-6-hrs
18:38 nengard     we had hail here yesterday
18:38 nengard     heh
18:37 chris       mostly cloudy is an understatement
18:37 munin       chris: The current temperature in Wellington, New Zealand is 10.0�C (6:00 AM NZST on June 02, 2010). Conditions: Mostly Cloudy. Humidity: 94%. Dew Point: 9.0�C. Windchill: 10.0�C. Pressure: 29.86 in 1011 hPa (Steady).
18:37 chris       @wunder wellington,nz
18:36 * cait      grumbles
18:34 munin       cait: _I_ don't know.
18:34 cait        @eightball can I make the jsp program do what it is supposed to do?
18:34 jdavidb     Thanks, cait...good to hear, even if I'm not so sure of it myself.  It's been a rough patch lately.
18:32 cait        jdavidb: im with eightball on that :)
18:31 collum      Thought so
18:31 munin       collum: NO!
18:31 collum      @eightball will I ever catch up on work accumulated because of the holiday?
18:30 jdavidb     darn thing is much more confident than I am.
18:30 munin       jdavidb: I doubt it very much.
18:30 jdavidb     @eightball personal implosion in the next three weeks?
18:30 cait        owen: is there a way to bribe the eightball?
18:29 munin       owen: It is possible.
18:29 owen        @eightball Quit early and go to the pool?
18:29 munin       jdavidb: Maybe...
18:29 jdavidb     @eightball workload ever going to be rational?
18:29 cait        my parents did that to me, when I did not want to go to school... it always worked.
18:28 cait        hmpf.
18:28 munin       cait: You know the answer better than I.
18:28 cait        @eightball javaserver pages homework?
18:24 * cait      waves back
18:23 bgkriegel   thank you all
18:23 * jdavidb   waves to chris and cait.
18:23 cait        and grats to tomascohen and bgkriegel from me too
18:23 cait        hm
18:23 cait        morning chris
18:21 chris       congrats tomascohen and bgkriegel
18:20 chris       morning
18:00 bgkriegel   thanks :)
18:00 owen        Congratulations bgkriegel !
17:58 tomascohen  owen: thanks! bgkriegel is not online to receive the congrats too, a pity
17:57 owen        http://blogs.unc.edu.ar/koha/lang/en/2010/05/31/%C2%A1migracion-completamigration-complete/
17:57 owen        Congratulations tomascohen
17:02 munin       04Bug 4846: normal, P5, ---, kyle.m.hall, NEW, Pending Holds/Reserves lists undefined item
17:02 libtek      I've submit a new bug I've seen in 3.0.6.  http://bugs.koha-community.org/bugzilla3/show_bug.cgi?id=4846
16:54 nengard     the dontmerge preference says "Don't automatically update attached biblios when changing an authority record. If this is off, please ask your administrator to enable the merge_authorities.pl cronjob". -- it shouldn't say OFF what should it say? "if this is set to 'do'"  - which is off? do or don't?
16:45 brendan     not yet ;)
16:45 jdavidb     :)  you're welcome, and good afternoon.
16:44 brendan     thanks jdavidb and good morning
16:44 brendan     yeah that's what I was doing - just wasn't sure
16:44 jdavidb     I don't think so, brendan.  that would be handled through a notice trigger set up for the same number of days.
16:43 brendan     quick question - when items are aged to Lost using long_overdue.pl --> is there any notice that is sent?
15:55 libtek      owen: it's more than I could do at this point.  I appreciate the fix.  Thank you.
15:54 owen        I'll submit that as a real patch
15:53 owen        I'm glad that worked
15:53 owen        Not a genius libtek, but I have seen how jquery tabs break often enough
15:52 libtek      owen: you fixed it.  :)  You are a genius.
15:48 owen        jeeze, took you long enough ;)
15:48 wizzyrea    there
15:46 wizzyrea    I will add version
15:46 wizzyrea    but it's not in our system yet hiss
15:45 wizzyrea    ^.^
15:45 wizzyrea    it is, I fixed it :P
15:45 owen        For instance, I think the cataloging search one is fixed now
15:45 wizzyrea    good point
15:45 owen        wizzyrea: It might be nice to add a version number to each one in case a later upgrade fixes whatever the jquery is needed for
15:44 wizzyrea    I should note that in many cases there's probably a better way to do it
15:43 wizzyrea    ok I've added most of my more useful jquery mods to http://wiki.koha-community.org/wiki/JQuery_Library
15:41 libtek      My command line knowledge in ubuntu server is limited.
15:40 owen        That'll work I think
15:40 libtek      I have no idea how to do that.  I am just saving it to a flash drive at this point and I was going to copy it over.
15:39 owen        ...but you should do it from the machine you have Koha on so you can save it in place of the existing one
15:39 libtek      Okay.
15:39 owen        Right click and "save link as..." waitingreserves.tmpl
15:38 libtek      Already there.  Found that link.  It did the same thing.  I'm looking at it from my Windows machine, if that makes any difference.
15:38 owen        Look for the attachment link ("Revised version of the 3.0.5 release template")
15:38 munin       04Bug 4843: major, P5, ---, kyle.m.hall, NEW, Hold Over tab broken
15:38 owen        Go to the bug page: http://bugs.koha-community.org/bugzilla3/show_bug.cgi?id=4843
15:37 owen        Actually I don't think that will work, if your browser opened it by default.
15:37 libtek      do I save the source to a file?
15:36 libtek      okay.  This just opens an odd looking webpage
15:35 owen        Here's the revised template from the bug report: http://bugs.koha-community.org/bugzilla3/attachment.cgi?id=2190
15:35 libtek      yes.  And I just made a backup copy of it.
15:32 owen        And can you find the existing waitingreserves.tmpl file in your installation?
15:32 libtek      yes
15:31 libtek      owen: or replacement file, I should say.
15:31 owen        libtek: Do you know where Koha is intalled on your machine?
15:31 libtek      owen: how do I get the patch?  I'm out of my element on this one.
15:28 cait        hi jdavidb :)
15:24 * jwagner   gets ready for another meeting but would prefer to get ready for a cruise :-(
15:23 owen        wizzyrea: Will do.
15:23 jdavidb     hi, cait! :)
15:20 wizzyrea    owen: take a look at http://wiki.koha-community.org/wiki/JQuery_Library any other tips you'd like to add (i'm about to add a few of my mods in there)
15:16 owen        Here you go: http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/List_of_The_A-Team_characters
15:15 * wizzyrea  can't even remember who all of the A Team members are, but is motivated by getting to hum the theme song.
15:14 chris_n     jwagner can be part of the JFO
15:13 wizzyrea    ooh!
15:12 * jwagner   sees my role as more of a support one -- logistics via cruise ship will work.
15:11 jcamins     What about submarines? Submarines don't have parachutes, and they can be part of a strike team.
15:11 owen        wizzyrea: If you want to join our strike team you can choose which A-Team member you want to play
15:11 wizzyrea    so you can be part of the "leisurely arriving koha helper people" that come on the cruise ship, and arrive very relaxed.
15:10 wizzyrea    it's not a strike team if there are no parachutes
15:09 * jwagner   LIKES cruise ships :-)
15:08 owen        Next you'll be telling me you won't parachute in!
15:08 owen        Aw, man...
15:08 * jwagner   will go too, if the trip can be on cruise ship instead of helicopter :-)
15:07 * chris_n   can be persuaded to join as well if they serve some of their excellent coffee
15:06 CGI039      thanx
15:05 * owen      signs up for the Koha-installation strike team helicopter-bound for Antigua
15:02 chris_n     reva: sounds like a nice place to be :)
15:01 reva        Thanks chris_n from super sunny Antigua, one of the Leeward islands in the Lesser Antilles, in short in the Caribbean:).
15:00 munin       04Bug http://bugs.koha-community.org/bugzilla3/show_bug.cgi?id=4239 enhancement, PATCH-Sent, ---, gmcharlt, NEW, Allow holds on multiple items of selected titles
15:00 mason       bug 4239
14:59 magnus      bye reva, and welcome back
14:59 owen        CGI039: You'll be able to configure your categories just fine I think
14:59 CGI039      Excuse me I've seen screen shots..
14:59 reva        Thanks chris_n, mason, owen and magnus for all the help and links provided. I have my work cut out for me for this week. Bye for now.
14:58 CGI039      Just student, staff, faculty and guest..
14:58 CGI039      Are these the supercategories..The reason i ask is because our library doesn't have many categories...
14:57 CGI039      Not yet..but I've screen screenshots..So far, I've seen "Adult" "Child"
14:57 owen        CGI039:  Have you been to the "patron types and categories" page in Administration?
14:56 libtek      owen: I'm not sure how to get the file onto the ubuntu server yet.  I've only done an install from CD and downloaded installs per install instructions.
14:56 reva        mason, thanks, that is one few new configurations to learn. I am new to open source and vmplayer, etc. but I am getting a little confidence now.
14:56 CGI039      Please give an example of the "super categories"
14:55 mason       reva: no - vmplayer clients for both
14:55 owen        CGI039: The "super-categories" are not modifiable, but the sub-categories are
14:55 reva        mason, chris_n if I install vmplayer do I need to have ubuntu as my os necessarily?
14:55 mason       ubuntu install guide
14:54 mason       reva:  http://git.koha-community.org/cgi-bin/gitweb.cgi?p=koha.git;a=blob;f=INSTALL.ubuntu
14:54 wizzyrea    CGI039: yep.
14:54 owen        If you want to test, save that file in place of your existing copy of waitingreserves.tmpl (keep a backup of course)
14:54 CGI039      Are the patron categories modifiable?
14:54 owen        libtek: I went ahead and attached the full revised template (not a patch) to the bug report
14:53 libtek      owen: sure, if you can guide me on how to apply it.  I've never done anything like this before.
14:52 reva        chris_n; I will follow the links provided by mason.
14:50 mason       trust me, you'll have windows specific problems, that know one here has any experience to help you with ;)
14:49 owen        libtek: I could send you a revised version of the template to test. I don't have a 3.0.x install
14:49 reva        mason I see you are the one advising against the VM set up. But is ubuntu easy to install and configure for a commerical off the shelf install expert like me:)
14:49 mason       http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/VMware_Player
14:49 chris_n     and that on win32
14:48 chris_n     you should be able to run the images mason pointed you to with it, however
14:48 chris_n     reva: I do not use vmplayer and so am unfamiliar with the details of it
14:47 mason       and only chris_n here has a windows-koha install, to help you
14:47 reva        chris_n Ok, I will read up on the vmplayer site. Could you kind of describe to me what it does? and we are going to "dedicate" one console to act as server. So can I have dual OS (the XP and the Ubuntu on it) and go like that?
14:47 mason       unless you are an expert with windows-VMs, or setting up a native windows LAMP setup, you will have much problems
14:46 munin       04Bug 4843: critical, P5, ---, kyle.m.hall, NEW, Hold Over tab broken
14:46 libtek      http://bugs.koha-community.org/bugzilla3/show_bug.cgi?id=4843
14:46 libtek      http://bugs.koha-community.org/bugzilla3/post_bug.cgi
14:45 mason       reva: spend your time learning to setup koha3-stable on ubuntu, *not* windows ;)
14:45 reva        chris_n Ok, I will read up on the vmplayer site. Could you kind of describe to me what it does?
14:44 owen        libtek: I think I see where the bug is in the template
14:44 mason       http://kylehall.info/index.php/projects/koha/koha-virtual-appliance/
14:44 chris_n     reva: I'm not 100% sure, but I think so
14:44 mason       http://lists.katipo.co.nz/public/koha/2009-May/018652.html
14:44 reva        chris_n so that means I install the vmplayer first, before I install Koha?
14:43 * chris_n   plans on getting back to work on koha win32 fixes sometime
14:42 mason       start with the vmplayer one, of kyle's...
14:41 chris_n     reva: yes
14:41 chris_n     iirc there are some virtualbox images of koha which are ready to go out of the box
14:41 owen        reva: And as you can see from the koha_win32 mailing list, you won't be able to get help with it through the normal channels
14:41 reva        so what virtualization software is free?
14:41 chris_n     as 2.x is *very* old
14:40 chris_n     but I highly recommend against it
14:40 chris_n     reva: if you want a native install, yes
14:40 reva        chris_n, so I will have to go with 2.x.x version that is stable for windows install?
14:40 chris_n     reva: mason is right for now
14:40 mason       reva: if you *really* gotta use windows, go with a virtualbox, or vmplayer setup
14:39 chris_n     but as I say, some things remain very broken atm
14:39 * chris_n   actually has koha running on an xp machine at home
14:39 chris_n     reva: the same issue will exist for all versions 3.x.x
14:39 reva        Ok, that means I will have to go with 3.0.6, correct?
14:38 chris_n     there are additional coding changes that will have to be worked through
14:38 libtek      I didn't see this in the bugs, so I am going to report it.
14:38 reva        Yes; but you will have to start with what strawberry is.
14:38 chris_n     it is very unstable atm
14:38 chris_n     reva: using the latest strawberry release, you should be able to install koha, however
14:38 wizzyrea    3.2 is not yet ported to win32
14:38 libtek      Line 324 Char: 21
14:38 reva        Hi chris_n. I am looking for help and was told you are the man.
14:37 libtek      owen: Exception thrown and not caught / ui.tabs.js / Code: 0 / URI:http//10.100.30.53:8080/intranet-tmpl/prog/en/lib/jquery/plugins/ui.tabs.js
14:37 chris_n     are you looking for the status of koha on win32 + strawberry?
14:37 reva        Ok thanks everyone; I will definitely follow the links and see where I get. If anyone knows that 3.2. is available for windows install, please let me know; i will stay logged on.
14:37 chris_n     heya reva
14:35 reva        sorry, i answered what was meant for someone else, yet again.
14:35 libtek      owen: I'd paste the error details, but the paste.workbuffer.org is down.  Just a sec...
14:34 reva        FF has its own issued now, with crashes even when only a couple of tabs are open. I think there is some incompatibility with Java 6.20
14:33 owen        libtek: What's the error?
14:33 magnus      wizzyrea: magnusenger
14:33 owen        reva: There are no promises of support. But many people generously give it
14:33 reva        I used reva
14:33 libtek      Does anyone else see this issue?
14:33 reva        So open source means you are left out in the open, casting about for answers?
14:32 libtek      IE8 shows the error.  Firefox 3.6.3 doesn't even acknowledge a problem.  It does not do anything.
14:32 wizzyrea    magnus what username did you try to register with? You can msg me if you want
14:32 reva        At our Bureau we do not circulate material. We are mainly interested for now in the Cataloging module and the OPAC. Ours is a small library and mostly we fetch standards for industry patrons for "a small fee".
14:31 owen        It doesn't look like anyone is answering questions on the koha-win32 mailing list.
14:30 libtek      I'm about to report what appears to be a bug.  I have 3.00.06, and the holds over tab in the Holds Awaiting Pickup section of circulation appears to be broken.  The tab is there, but when I click on it, the page displays an error in the status bar, and the page never displays.
14:29 reva        owen, that is the one I signed up for. But there is no response to the all member query I emailed. Nor can I find it in the archive as unanswered. I am not sure I know the protocol for list servs; I am more of a forum person.
14:29 * owen      wonders how to get a record's biblionumber into the XSL view
14:29 magnus      hehe - the spam-folder is truly a treasure trove...
14:28 reva        maguns, that was funny. my gmail spam box did not have anything but winning lottery numbers either:).
14:28 owen        reva: Did you sign up for the mailing list here? http://lists.koha-community.org/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/koha-win32
14:27 libtek      Good morning.
14:27 reva        I searched my spam box using koha as the keyword. Maybe suggest some other keyword?
14:27 magnus      wizzyrea: i'm using Gmail, and it's not in the spam folder (unless it's cleverly disguised with a subject like "OFFICIAL WINNING NOTIFICATION!!!" or something like that ;-)
14:26 reva        Not only that, someone out there administering the listserv for koha for win32 needs to check their server. There are only archives (though there are posts from May 2010), but no place to post anything. I emailed the general address given and have not heard yet.So I wait for chris_n to get some clarifications?
14:25 wizzyrea    and sometimes rejected altogether
14:25 wizzyrea    :(
14:25 wizzyrea    magnus: sometimes the k-c.org emails get tagged as spam
14:23 wizzyrea    no clue
14:23 owen        I wonder if anyone ever answered support questions submitted to koha.org?
14:23 wizzyrea    that I know of
14:23 wizzyrea    and no one answers requests from koha.org anymore
14:23 wizzyrea    I think reva is talking about koha.org.
14:22 wizzyrea    1. there is no request help form on k-c.org
14:21 reva        sorry, Maguns, mistook it for me, getting cross-eyed looking at the chat screen name tags:)
14:19 reva        I check the spam, no it is not there either for me. The funny thing is when I tried to re-register, it would not allow me the same name as that was already reserved for another user. So something wrong that it knows there is a registration under that name, but did not send any confirmation link to the email address.
14:17 owen        reva: My question was directed at wizzyrea
14:17 reva        Wizzyrea, I am not sure where I would find "for library users" form. I have filled out a few forms by now, so I am a little confused:).
14:16 owen        wizzyrea: Have you ever gotten a submission from the "for library users" form?
14:15 magnus      i too tried to register at http://koha-community.org/ today, but i have not gotten the confirmation email (and it's not in spam either)
14:14 reva        Yeah, magnus., that is the link (http://koha.org/contact-info) I filled out form and submitted two times but no one has responded.
14:14 owen        (nor should they, since there is a mailing list and an IRC channel)
14:13 owen        I can't imagine the owners of koha.org answer support requests via their contact form
14:13 reva        I meant the Koha.org contact page, not the koha-community.org page. But I registered at the Koha-community.org about a week ago so I can ask questions. But the server is yet to send me a link to click on!
14:13 magnus      or this one? http://koha-community.org/get-involved/
14:13 owen        reva: Were you submitting this form? http://koha.org/contact-info
14:11 reva        Do you know whether it has Windows release? And is the Z39.50 search and import working (in either 3.0.6 or the alpha 3.2)?
14:10 owen        Where do you mean?
14:10 owen        reva: "Koha community contact page?"
14:09 reva        Lots of good leads in those links you have provided, Magnus. I never receive any responses from either Koha community contact page (filled out form twice) or their win32 forum.
14:08 magnus      reva: he was here about an hour ago, probably just busy with something else
14:08 magnus      i would go for the 3.2 alpha 2 version, but that's just me...
14:08 reva        Ok, I will contact chris_n, Magnus. When is he likely to be around in the chatroom?
14:07 magnus      but then, HLT have just gone live on alpha... http://koha-community.org/horowhenua-library-trust-new-koha-launched-3-2-alpha2/
14:06 reva        Oh, I did not know that that was what alpha meant.
14:06 magnus      oops - my eyes slipped on the revision history in the wiki: http://wiki.koha-community.org/w/index.php?title=StrawberryPerl&action=history sorry, reva: chris_n is the guy you want
14:06 owen        3.0.6 is the latest *stable* version
14:06 reva        Thanks Magnus for that 3.0.6 clarification.
14:05 owen        reva: the "alpha" means it is not stable yet
14:05 reva        Owen, the Koha community newsletter had an article on 3.2 alpha release on May 4th. But their download site says the latest community supported version is 3.0.6. So we are confused.
14:04 owen        chris_n I think is the one who was working with Strawberry Perl
14:04 magnus      reva: 3.0.6 is the latest *stable* release
14:04 magnus      owen: oops?
14:03 reva        Another thing, at this point I am not even clear about which is the latest version of Open Source Koha. Is it 3.2 or 3.0.6?
14:03 owen        No, chris isn't the one to ask about Koha on Windows
14:03 magnus      reva: i *think* he's the one who knows the most about koha on windows
14:03 owen        reva: http://www.virtualbox.org/
14:02 reva        Ok, Magnus. i will try again in  a few hours to see if Chris is logged on.
14:02 jcamins     VirtualBox is open source, I think.
14:02 jcamins     And plan ahead for space requirements.
14:02 jcamins     If you limited yourself to one virtual machine, I don't see why it wouldn't work (we have an internal VM, which is copied to the external VM every few weeks), provided you can avoid the whole "host machine crashing hard" issue.
14:01 jdavidb     we've got some VMWare virtualization going on, and our big problem is that at near-peak loads, all the VMs on a box are a leetle bit sensitive to what's going on with the busiest one.  (when the ArchivalWare devs do something, it slows our box, and vice versa.)
14:01 reva        Ok first off, the ABBS (that is our Bureau of Standards here) can only go in for Open Source. Isn't VMbox proprietary?
14:01 owen        wizzyrea: I just wondered if there is any size collection that would be small enough to recommend it as a possibility
14:01 magnus      reva: i think you should get in touch with chris - but he's in nz - he'll probably be here in 4-5 hours
14:00 wizzyrea    that would do it
14:00 wizzyrea    uh, yea
14:00 jcamins     The other problem is that we ran out of space, several times, but that could happen if you only had a 5gig drive on a physical server, too.
14:00 wizzyrea    well I probably wouldn't do a production install in a VM
14:00 reva        I will check out the link, Magnus. Ok how would I go about setting it up? I have someone who may be able to help me.
14:00 jcamins     The major problem is that our host machine (a Mac) doesn't like VirtualBox, so every day or so, it crashes hard.
13:59 owen        jcamins: Too slow? What's not pretty about it?
13:59 jcamins     We are going to be outsourcing our catalog very soon.
13:59 owen        jcamins: :(
13:58 jcamins     It's not pretty.
13:58 jcamins     owen: We are.
13:58 owen        reva: Setting up Koha on Windows via a virtual machine is not too difficult
13:58 reva        So thinking of dedicating one of the workstation consoles as a server and installing Koha, MySQL, and Apache on it as the documents and instruction pages on the web site says.
13:58 jdavidb     owen:  Aside from cloud virtualization, we're not.  Got a bunch of test servers in VMs, but no production.
13:58 magnus      owen: i run mine on slicehost - that's vm, but i don't own the hardware
13:57 magnus      i think this is a very detailed, techy status of Koha on windows: http://wiki.koha-community.org/wiki/StrawberryPerl
13:57 owen        I wonder if anyone is using Koha in production with a VM setup?
13:56 reva        I am not familiar with linux install and configure and of course, virtualization will be very new to us here. We have Windows xp workstation, and they are Ethernet connected.
13:55 magnus      of course: koha is 100% web based, so you could run it on a linux server (or a virtual linux server on a windows host) and access everything you need through a browser (preferably Firefox for the staff functions) on  any client
13:54 reva        Thanks for answering:).
13:54 reva        just on work station console, but making it our "server".
13:53 sekjal      reva: are you looking to install Koha on a Windows server, or just access it from Windows machines?
13:53 magnus      reva: i'm trying to find something recent on koha and windows...
13:52 reva        Anyone able to respond to my above query on Koha Library Management System?
13:49 reva        Is the z 39.50 search and import function working with this version on the Windows install?
13:48 reva        Hi We are the Antigua and Barbuda Bureau of Standards. We tested the staff client demos of Koha (Express and the one profiled for public libraries) at the liblime site. We run Windows XP workstations on a Peer Group Lan Ethernet enabled topology. What is the latest version of stable and free version of Koha for Windows?
13:04 owen        Hi chris_n
13:04 chris_n     g'morning
13:00 francharb   ok thanks
12:59 jwagner     Note that there was a later bug from the work BibLibre did expanding the print notices; I think a patch has been pushed for that so if you're up to date you should be OK.
12:58 francharb   i check this out!
12:57 francharb   great! thanks jwagner!!
12:56 munin       04Bug http://bugs.koha-community.org/bugzilla3/show_bug.cgi?id=3482 enhancement, PATCH-Sent, ---, gmcharlt, NEW, Print overdue and hold notices for patrons without email addresses
12:56 jwagner     Bug 3482 even
12:56 jwagner     francharb, see But 3482 -- you need a HOLD_PRINT notice file & a cron job
12:56 francharb   :)
12:56 francharb   if by any chance you find out, just let me know, thanks!
12:54 francharb   I can't find where to use it...
12:54 francharb   is there anyone who already used the HOLD_PRINT notice?
12:53 francharb   hello all
12:14 jwagner     morning, owen
12:14 owen        Did everyone get lots of work done with no 'muricans around yesterday?
12:13 owen        Hi #koha
12:09 * jwagner   doesn't have the energy to harrumph....
12:06 * jdavidb   says, "harrrumph!" and flops into his chair.
11:59 jransom     rights me - good night all
11:34 chris       good luck, hope it all goes well
11:33 gmcharlt    anyway, off to work
11:31 gmcharlt    diners++
11:31 chris       http://photos.bigballofwax.co.nz/gallery2/main.php?g2_itemId=2535  <-- isalys full of nzers :)
11:29 chris       its like a step back in time
11:29 chris       http://www.pittsburghcitypaper.ws/gyrobase/Content?oid=oid:19667
11:26 chris       isaly even
11:26 chris       west view is way out of your way, but thats where laurel is from, and they have a great diner there, islays
11:25 gmcharlt    I've been there several times; I like the cathedral of learning
11:24 gmcharlt    :)
11:24 chris       i liked the natural history one too, but i like museums in general :)
11:23 chris       if you get a chance the art museum is really really cool
11:22 gmcharlt    yup
11:22 chris       its near cmu too
11:21 chris       yep, i know the area
11:21 gmcharlt    in the Oakland area, AKA the U of Pitt district
11:21 chris       you're in pittsburgh gmcharlt ? whereabouts are you staying?
11:20 jransom     fair enough
11:20 chris       didnt tell him i work on stuff :)
11:20 chris       i had to be politic talking to him, cos the chronicle is an apn paper :)
11:19 jransom     so that will have to be played very carefully to not get wgtn feeling cornered
11:19 chris       ohhh nice
11:19 jransom     the dominion post may be doing an article for the weekend magazine insert about HLT and how we are doing things differently, and compare it to wgtn and tauranga and the other high profile libraries who have been told to save money / raise money.
11:19 chris       ah thats right, its only published once a week now eh?
11:18 jransom     but ...
11:18 jransom     not yet but he will
11:17 chris       oh i meant to ask, did the reporter guy do an article btw?
11:16 gmcharlt    congratulations on your go-live, btw
11:16 gmcharlt    hi jransom
11:16 gmcharlt    enh request: supply spot power generator with each Koha database
11:16 chris       gmcharlt: ah yep, ive kinda moved on to plack now
11:16 jransom     hi galen :)
11:15 jransom     all went well until half the town lost power
11:15 gmcharlt    chris: in case you haven't seen already, check your IRC logs; somebody was asking last Friday or so about working on fastcgi
11:13 munin       gmcharlt: Quote #49: "wizzyrea: KOHAKONG: Stomping all other ILS's" (added by a user that is no longer registered at 11:20 AM, December 22, 2009)
11:13 gmcharlt    @quote random
11:12 gmcharlt    yep, trying to figure out what happened to it
11:11 chris       no munin
11:11 gmcharlt    @quote random
11:04 chris       did 1514 issues and 1607 returns at the same time
11:03 chris       well thats pretty low activity really :)
11:02 magnus      which is good of course - a bad design might have meant lots of stress on the system from that level of activity...
10:58 chris       its mostly typing, it doesnt really touch koha much at all
10:58 magnus      and koha is holding up under the pressure, of course?
10:57 chris       thats my guesstimate
10:57 chris       so i reckon will be somewhere round 35ish after the reregistrations
10:56 chris       was closer to 40 before we did a clean out in the upgrade
10:56 chris       close to 30k in the db at the mo
10:55 magnus      that's a lot of people
10:45 jransom     we hope to get 20,000 dne over next 3 months
10:45 jransom     but we havnt really started advertising yet either
10:45 jransom     no
10:44 magnus      that traffic probably wont last for ever, though? ;-)
10:44 chris       :)
10:44 jransom     i'm still editing data from yesterday -havnt started on todays but I am hoping after the growling they all got this morning that it will be heaps better quality
10:43 jransom     heaps more than yesterday
10:43 jransom     cool :)
10:43 jransom     since are a 15 FTE orgs over 3 sites, hence why 3 on desk and 5 registering at 1 branch alone is nt sustainable
10:43 chris       503 today
10:42 jransom     so its useful and fun and important but killing us staffing wise.
10:42 jransom     and they all want to chat and look at the new site
10:42 jransom     and its insanely busy - like 5 fulltime staff reregistering all day, queues of people,
10:41 jransom     we are reregistering our borrwers - updating the borrowers database and issuing new cards
10:40 magnus      just curious: what are you updating? ;-)
10:36 jransom     did you see how many we updated today?
10:36 jransom     i was talking with magnus along the same lines
10:35 chris       no really anything to talk about in the handover meeting that cant be handled in the general meeting
10:34 chris       theres the general meeting
09:44 jransom     yeah no community meeting planned
09:42 magnus      jransom: yep, looks like it needs to be added to the calendar
09:41 * magnus    ponders better ways to name the meetings, so http://wiki.koha-community.org/wiki/Category:IRC_Meetings could make more sense
09:39 magnus      looks like there is no handover meeting scheduled: http://stats.workbuffer.org/irclog/koha/2010-05-04#i_433675
09:34 jransom     I couldn't find it onthe koha-community calendar
09:34 jransom     Thank you :)
09:31 magnus      jransom: http://wiki.koha-community.org/wiki/General_Meeting,_June_2_2010
09:09 jransom     do we have Koha meetings in early June?
09:08 jransom     hi all
09:00 cait        hi #koha
08:30 kmkale      HI amit
08:19 Amit        heya kmkale
08:01 pianohacker good night
07:02 magnus      good morning! ;-)
06:45 kmkale      Good afternoon
04:25 pianohacker Hi Amit
04:24 Amit        heya pianohacker
01:18 * chris_n2  looks around for munin
01:16 chris_n2    @wunder 28334