Time  Nick            Message
00:23 gmcharlt        chris: upshot: Koha compares quite well to Janium; Koha's functionality is pretty much equivalent to Janium but offers, well, freedom
00:23 chris           yep, i used google translate too :)
00:24 * gmcharlt      has slightly more spanish than that, although not by much :)
00:24 chris           :)
00:24 chris           one for nengards zotero bibliography
00:25 gmcharlt        yep
02:53 brendan         @quote random
02:53 munin           brendan: Quote #13: "<atz> ricardo: ask and ye shall receive.... eventually, ye shall stop asking." (added by gmcharlt at 04:31 PM, July 09, 2009)
02:59 brendan         @eightball will the Mets win tomorrow?
02:59 munin           brendan: Of course.
02:59 brendan         yes
03:02 gmcharlt        @eightball were you paid to say that?
03:02 munin           gmcharlt: The answer is def-- oooh! shiny thing!
03:05 pianohacker     How very appropriate for a raven
03:46 Amit            heya chris, brendan
03:47 brendan         heya Amit
04:27 pianohacker     Hi brendan and Amit
04:27 Amit            heya pianohacker
04:28 brendan         heya pianohacker
04:29 brendan         I'm going to be in Colorado in Golden around the 12 or 14th of June
04:29 brendan         if you're not to far away - I take you out for dinner or something
07:06 Ropuch          Morning #koha
07:34 CGI692          dear all
07:35 CGI692          csv to marc21 data conversion or data migration any kind of tools or utility in koha ?
07:36 brendan         csv to marc21 - try looking at MARCedit first - not a koha tool - but very useful
07:39 robin           oh, just missed it.
07:39 robin           I've written one.
08:31 cait            hi #koha
08:32 brendan         heya cait
08:41 cait            hi brendan
08:43 brendan         time to sleep :)
08:43 brendan         night all
08:56 cait            night brendan :)
09:25 munin           New commit(s) kohagit: Bug 4817: Point to README.Debian in koha package description, postinst output. <http://git.koha-community.org/gitweb/?p=koha.git;a=commitdiff;h=79a0c93ddd26d48db64621012f122d87849d8251>
10:04 * chris         gets back from the official launch at HLT
10:11 cait            hi chris
10:11 cait            how did it go?
10:12 Amit            heya cait
10:12 cait            hi Amit
10:13 chris           good thanks
10:16 * cait          finishing translation of marc21 default framework :)
10:18 chris           cool :)
10:20 cait            all other sql files are already done, after marc21 I can start testing :)
10:20 chris           sweet
10:37 Ropuch          Hi chris
10:42 chris           hi Ropuch
10:44 Amit            heya Ropuch, chris
11:05 cait            hi Ropuch :)
13:24 jwagner         Awfully quiet around here this morning....
13:25 jwagner         @quote random
13:25 munin           jwagner: Quote #12: "<owen> Every time you check in a book a little video loads and Nancy Pearl recites her capsule review of it." (added by gmcharlt at 02:36 PM, July 06, 2009)
13:28 cait            @quote random
13:28 munin           cait: Quote #66: "<paul_p> shame on koha, mySQL & user !" (added by jwagner at 10:39 AM, March 04, 2010)
13:33 gmcharlt        good morning
13:42 jwagner         morning, gmcharlt
13:45 wizzyrea_away   good morning
13:46 jwagner         morning, wizzy
14:00 jdavidb         @quote random
14:00 munin           jdavidb: Quote #60: "<owen> My 9-month-old may not be walking yet, but she's got great bib control." (added by gmcharlt at 12:31 PM, February 19, 2010)
15:10 sekjal          Turbomarc: http://www.indexdata.com/blog/2010/05/turbomarc-faster-xml-marc-records
15:14 gmcharlt        sekjal: yep, that looks promising
15:46 jdavidb         @quote_random
15:46 munin           jdavidb: Error: "quote_random" is not a valid command.
15:46 jdavidb         @quote random
15:46 munin           jdavidb: Quote #68: "gmcharlt: which probably means that library schools ought to rename Cataloging 101 to Identification and Avoidance of Rabbit Holes 101" (added by wizzyrea_laptop at 03:17 PM, March 10, 2010)
15:50 eiro            hello guys
15:52 wizzyrea_lab    bug 2830 -- anybody even looked at this one?
15:52 munin           04Bug http://bugs.koha-community.org/bugzilla3/show_bug.cgi?id=2830 critical, P3, ---, henridamien, NEW, Hold not removed when "trapped" item on hold shelf is checked out to a different patron in the holds queue
16:02 jcamins         Does anyone know if there's been any work on bug 4162?
16:02 munin           04Bug http://bugs.koha-community.org/bugzilla3/show_bug.cgi?id=4162 normal, P5, ---, gmcharlt, NEW, Inventory Tool Fails Silently
16:03 jcamins         Oh, never mind. User error.
16:03 wizzyrea_lab    bug 3265: also kind of a big deal
16:03 munin           04Bug http://bugs.koha-community.org/bugzilla3/show_bug.cgi?id=3265 major, P5, ---, gmcharlt, RESOLVED FIXED, LOST status not  changed after issued item is checked in
16:04 gmcharlt        wizzyrea_lab: and fixed, it would seem
16:04 wizzyrea_lab    gmcharlt: i was unable to get this to work on this morning's head :(
16:05 wizzyrea_lab    it removes the lost status, but doesn't change it to available
16:05 wizzyrea_lab    it's empty
16:05 wizzyrea_lab    so no status
16:06 gmcharlt        hmm - reopen it then, please - nengard had closed it, but w/o comment
16:07 wizzyrea_lab    ya
16:07 jcamins         Does the lost status depend on the user defining magic authorized values? We had issues with not-for-loan statuses.
16:07 wizzyrea_lab    ok
16:14 wizzyrea_lab    no I don't think so, not in this case
16:14 wizzyrea_lab    it works exactly right, except that it doesn't change the status from "Lost" to "Available"
16:15 jcamins         Oh well. It was a nice idea.
16:15 jcamins         :)
16:15 wizzyrea_lab    sadly, it works perfectly in our production install :((
16:15 gmcharlt        wizzyrea_lab: I'll take a look
16:25 wizzyrea_lab    gmcharlt: i updated the bug
16:30 * jdavidb       waves to owen.
16:30 * owen          wanders in finally
16:34 owen            collum available?
16:35 collum          what's up
16:36 owen            I wondered if you were still working (on and off) on Bug 2889, and if so would you accept its assignment?
16:36 munin           04Bug http://bugs.koha-community.org/bugzilla3/show_bug.cgi?id=2889 minor, P3, ---, oleonard, NEW, templates should use loop_context_vars __odd__
16:36 collum          NP.  I usually fix tables as I find them.
16:39 collum          I have assigned it to myself.
16:39 owen            Thanks, that helps me get a better picture of what's on my list
16:55 * jdavidb       peers quizzically at octothorpesarus.
16:56 octothorpesarus hi
16:56 jdavidb         Hi.  Welcome. :)
16:56 octothorpesarus I'm just going to lurk here for a bit while I do some searching.
16:57 jdavidb         It's fairly quiet today, but you're welcome to lurk.  If you come up with any questions, lots of helpful folks are here, and no need to ask permission, just toss your question out there.
16:58 wizzyrea_lab    ^^ what he said
16:58 * owen          admires wizzyrea_lab's lab coat
16:59 * owen          pets wizzyrea_lab's labrador retriever
16:59 * wizzyrea_lab  whines a little
16:59 * jdavidb       finds his way out of wizzyrea_lab's labyrinth.
17:05 owen            "item" is a reserved word in Internet Explorer 6, 7, and 8's implementation of javascript.
17:05 owen            FYI
17:06 * owen          thanks google
17:11 brendan         found a dollar on the ground on my way to the office - pretty cool
17:12 owen            Breaking news: profits are up for Koha support companies!
17:12 brendan         heh thanks owen
17:13 owen            You're doing better than I was yesterday. I started my day by accidentally running over a chipmunk.
17:16 octothorpesarus Is it possible to have the web server running lists.koha.org to rewrite http://lists.koha.org/pipermail/(.*) to http://lists.koha-community.org/pipermail/$1 ?
17:20 octothorpesarus I ask because links such as http:/lists.koha.org/pipermail/koha-devel/2009-May/009531.html are currently redirected to http://lists.koha-community.org/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo.
17:21 octothorpesarus Many search engines have lists.koha.org indexed.
17:53 jwagner         wizzyrea, catching up on things -- re Bug 2830 -- is that similar to Bug 3792?
17:53 munin           04Bug http://bugs.koha-community.org/bugzilla3/show_bug.cgi?id=2830 critical, P3, ---, henridamien, NEW, Hold not removed when "trapped" item on hold shelf is checked out to a different patron in the holds queue
17:53 munin           04Bug http://bugs.koha-community.org/bugzilla3/show_bug.cgi?id=3792 normal, P3, ---, gmcharlt, NEW, Checking out on-hold item to someone else replaces item-level hold with next available
18:20 wizzyrea_lab    they are not the same thing
18:20 wizzyrea_lab    in the code they might be related
18:21 jwagner         OK, wasn't sure & was curious
18:29 CGI020          hello
18:29 CGI020          i need help
18:29 owen            Go ahead CGI020
18:30 CGI020          can any body help me how to take report via 2.2.9 windows
18:30 CGI020          for overdue charges
18:30 owen            jwagner: Strange, I exported that record from the Hartford catalog that you showed me yesterday in conjunction with Bug 4821...
18:30 munin           04Bug http://bugs.koha-community.org/bugzilla3/show_bug.cgi?id=4821 major, P5, ---, oleonard, NEW, With multiple 5XX fields, the font display gets progressively smaller
18:30 owen            Viewing the record in my test system doesn't show the same issues
18:31 CGI020          i have seen fines2.pl but after that what to do to generate overdue charges
18:31 owen            CGI020: I don't know if we can help you. 2.2.9 is very old, and none of us use the Windows version
18:32 CGI020          what is corntp file
18:33 owen            CGI020: Do you mean crontab?
18:33 CGI020          so on whic linux version koha is working fine?
18:33 CGI020          yes i mean crontab
18:34 CGI020          it says that you edit the fines2.pl file script and paste it in crontab
18:34 owen            http://adminschoice.com/crontab-quick-reference
18:35 owen            ...but Windows doesn't have cron.
18:35 owen            I don't know what Windows users do.
18:36 wizzyrea_lab    task scheduler
18:39 Bupl            So I have a question regarding the catalog - we're just getting started with koha, and have started entering records in.  The problem is that when we search the catalog, no results appear, even though we know that we entered the record in.  Any ideas?
18:40 wizzyrea_lab    http://koha-community.org/documentation/faq/searching/
18:40 wizzyrea_lab    consult that
18:40 wizzyrea_lab    :)
18:40 CGI020          please help to generate overdue charge it is instructed as "Fines are calculated by the fines2.pl script, located in misc directory. Ask your administrator to put this script in crontab, after midnight, to have fines calculated every night
18:40 CGI020          i am using 2.2.9 koha
18:41 CGI020          how to do above job for overdue charge
18:43 * wizzyrea_lab  doesn't work with the windows version, sorry
18:44 jwagner         owen, was off on another screen -- what version did you try & did you have XSLT on?
18:44 jwagner         I imported that same record into my current head system & saw the same problem.
18:45 owen            Latest head, XSLT on, don't see it.
18:45 * jwagner       mutters something about darned gremlins....
18:47 owen            There was obviously problem enough that gmcharlt submitted a proposed fix for it
18:47 owen            ...I just wonder why we're seeing such different results
18:47 jwagner         Well, now the gremlins are biting me -- looks OK today.  But I definitely saw the problem yesterday there.  Sigh.
18:48 jwagner         I might do a line-by-line comparison of that section of the current XSLT & the site where I saw it.
18:48 jwagner         Did any of the updates from yesterday touch XSLT?
18:48 jwagner         I remember updating several times yesterday.
18:55 owen            This XSL template reads like the history of a comic book monster: Absorbed by: Absorbed in part by: Split into .. and ... Merged with ... to form ...Changed back to:
18:55 jwagner         Sounds like a serial record....
18:56 owen            And the monster's name was... fghkdlmor!
18:56 CGI020          please tell me can i use ubuntu for koha
18:57 octothorpesarus Sure you can.
18:57 CGI020          if yes will it works with desktop version or server version
18:57 wizzyrea_lab    owen lol
18:57 CGI020          i wanted to use desktop version of ubuntu
18:59 CGI020          "Fines are calculated by the fines2.pl script, located in misc directory. Ask your administrator to put this script in crontab, after midnight, to have fines calculated every night" means this instruction will not work for windows version
18:59 owen            CGI020: You could investigate wizzyrea_lab's suggestion to use the Windows task scheduler
18:59 CGI020          and ultimatly we can not generate overdue charges on windows?
19:00 hdl_laptop      owen: about your patch on smart-rules... why not use Jeditable query rather that coding what you did. for want of time ?
19:03 owen            hdl_laptop: Because it seemed like a simple solution, without adding extra dependencies. I'm all for adding inline editing
19:04 owen            My preference would be to do it in a somewhat systematic way
19:04 hdl_laptop      Well, Jeditable looks like a good dependency to add.
19:05 wizzyrea_lab    use the force, hdl
19:05 hdl_laptop      And would allow us to generalise that kind of solution... What prevented us from doing it is time. But we wanted to.
19:05 wizzyrea_lab    sorry, that looked like "jedi table" to me
19:06 owen            hdl_laptop: I was inspired to seek a client-side-only solution, but I'm in no way opposed to something like Jeditable
19:06 hdl_laptop      I am ... your father.
19:06 owen            NOOOOOOOOOOO!
19:06 CGI020          hello wizzyrea_lab
19:06 hdl_laptop      LOOOL
19:07 CGI020          hi wizzyrea
19:07 CGI020          please help
19:07 hdl_laptop      owen so when we have time to devote to that. We shall do.
19:07 CGI020          Fines are calculated by the fines2.pl script, located in misc directory. Ask your administrator to put this script in crontab, after midnight, to have fines calculated every night" means this instruction will not work for windows version
19:08 owen            hdl_laptop: The hard part, from my point of view, is setting up the back-end to accommodate that kind of solution
19:08 CGI020          simply tell me whether fine calculation will work with 2.2.9 wndows or not?
19:08 hdl_laptop      owen: we did some thing to use SQLHelper to edit issuing rules. And that would help a lot for that purpose.
19:08 * gmcharlt      awaits hdl_laptop's UI RFC for that
19:08 hdl_laptop      3.2 ? Or 3.4 ?
19:09 gmcharlt        3.4
19:10 CGI020          how to get whole process steps by steps to activate the ovrdue charging facility on windows 2.2.9
19:10 hdl_laptop      http://wiki.koha-community.org/wiki/Ergonomics_of_smart-rules_and_circulation_parameters
19:10 hdl_laptop      should be included in that page.
19:11 hdl_laptop      (and already is.... )
19:11 hdl_laptop      don't wait too long)
19:11 hdl_laptop      ... for RFC
19:11 CGI020          let me check thx
19:11 hdl_laptop      CGI020: I was not answering you.
19:12 CGI020          ok
19:12 hdl_laptop      it was meant for gmcharlt
19:13 gmcharlt        CGI020: I don't think there are that many people around in this channel who use the windows port of Koha
19:13 gmcharlt        CGI020: you may have better luck on this mailing list - http://lists.koha-community.org/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/koha-win32
19:14 CGI020          ok thx
19:16 owen            gmcharlt: When you investigated Bug 4821 yesterday, we you able to reproduce what jwagner was seeing?
19:16 munin           04Bug http://bugs.koha-community.org/bugzilla3/show_bug.cgi?id=4821 major, P5, ---, oleonard, NEW, With multiple 5XX fields, the font display gets progressively smaller
19:16 gmcharlt        owen: in the staff client
19:16 gmcharlt        the OPAC appeared to have same oddity in the DOM tree, but may not have had the 80% font-size rule in the CSS
19:17 jwagner         No, the font-size is in the OPAC css.  I'm not sure why I saw it yesterday but not today, unless you pushed something in between that touched OPAC XSLT
19:17 * owen          does see it in the staff client
19:18 jwagner         Or maybe I'm just hallucinating :-)  (Always a possibility these days....)
19:24 wizzyrea_lab    on members-home.pl, if you are logged in as a specific branch, it always defaults to that branch, and you have to expand the [+]  to change to any
19:24 wizzyrea_lab    is that a syspref?
19:24 wizzyrea_lab    or is that just behaviour we'll have to train out of
19:25 owen            Oh, never noticed that!
19:25 wizzyrea_lab    so say
19:25 wizzyrea_lab    if you're in fairview, and you want to find the smith in meadville, you can't
19:25 wizzyrea_lab    until you expand and set it to any
19:25 wizzyrea_lab    I think it should default to any
19:25 wizzyrea_lab    you should have to pick it
19:25 owen            I agree 100%
19:26 owen            Maybe unless IndependantBranches is on? I'm not sure if that is relevant
19:26 wizzyrea_lab    well I'll double check, but I don't believe we have that on
19:27 chris           nope it happens with or without
19:27 wizzyrea_lab    no, indybranch is off
19:27 owen            No, I mean it should default to any unless IndependantBranches is on
19:27 gmcharlt        broadly speaking, that could be both a matter of policy (e.g., indybranches) and staff user preference
19:28 wizzyrea_lab    yea, I'd prefer that a syspref were governing tha behaviour, but by default I think it should pick any
19:28 chris           i think the current behaviour is unexpected, certainly i didnt realise that was happening until now
19:28 chris           i agree
19:28 * wizzyrea_lab  might have a religious feeling about it
19:29 chris           or at least say something like 'search results for smith in levin'
19:29 gmcharlt        wizzyrea_lab: I'm actually thinking a bit further ahead - in terms of a mechanism for staff user preferences
19:29 wizzyrea_lab    ok, whew.
19:29 wizzyrea_lab    I was about to get all righteous on you
19:30 gmcharlt        wizzyrea_lab: but if we added staff user prefernces, you can be righteous  ... and so could anti-wizzyrea ;)
19:30 wizzyrea_lab    we don't want dupe patrons, we need (NEED) it to search all by default
19:30 wizzyrea_lab    ya
19:30 gmcharlt        e.g., the obvious counter-example is small library consortium that has both schools and PLs
19:31 wizzyrea_lab    I agree with you
19:31 wizzyrea_lab    we are on the same team!
19:31 wizzyrea_lab    \o/
19:31 chris           how  about for now, ie 3.2
19:31 chris           independantbranches = on, default to your branch
19:31 chris           off, default to any?
19:31 wizzyrea_lab    ^^ yes, plox
19:32 gmcharlt        this isn't a regression from 3.0.x, correct?
19:32 gmcharlt        or is it?
19:32 chris           i dont have a 3.0 running near me so can't check
19:32 chris           it feels like it is though
19:32 wizzyrea_lab    um um... well it wouldnt be from the one we have
19:32 wizzyrea_lab    unless I"m not understanding what you mean
19:32 chris           well you have 3.1 something
19:33 gmcharlt        wizzyrea_lab: to clarify what I'm asking - what does it do for you now in production?
19:33 wizzyrea_lab    on our 3.0.1 it defaults to all libraries (any)
19:34 chris           whats your actual version number in the about?
19:34 wizzyrea_lab    and you can only order by surname, none of the other options are existent. one sec.
19:34 * chris         is pretty sure its 3.001.something
19:34 chris           not 3.00.01
19:34 wizzyrea_lab    3.01.00.037
19:34 wizzyrea_lab    right, sorry
19:34 chris           yeah so its been introduced in the last 12 months
19:35 gmcharlt        ah, then it might be a regression (regression = used to work, doesn't now)
19:35 wizzyrea_lab    well
19:35 wizzyrea_lab    I think it's a function of the expanded search options
19:35 wizzyrea_lab    and the hiding thereof
19:35 wizzyrea_lab    but yes
19:35 wizzyrea_lab    it used to work that way, and doesn't now
19:36 wizzyrea_lab    and it should be dependent on indybranches
19:36 wizzyrea_lab    (indy branches are really fast. ZOOM)
19:37 chris           and a nzer wins them quite a lot
19:37 chris           :)
19:37 chris           wizzyrea_lab: depending on how much work jo has for me today i might be able to do a fix for that
19:37 wizzyrea_lab    oh yea, how's it going at HLT?
19:37 wizzyrea_lab    good? bad? ugly?
19:37 chris           had the official launch last night
19:38 chris           went well
19:38 wizzyrea_lab    squeee!
19:38 jwagner         Congrats!
19:38 chris           we are finding a few little things, mostly to do with data conversion, but nothing too bad
19:39 chris           no problems circulating, or collecting fines etc .. ie everything core works
19:39 chris           and people LOVE the opac
19:39 chris           so thats great
19:39 chris           thanks jwagner
19:39 wizzyrea_lab    woot!
19:40 jwagner         chris, refresh my memory -- did you take them to current head?
19:40 chris           yep
19:40 chris           current head + recommendations ... which will be in 3.4
19:40 jwagner         Great!  Keep us posted on stability etc.
19:40 wizzyrea_lab    ^^ super
19:41 brendan         congrats chris, HLT and jo
19:41 gmcharlt        HLT++
19:41 chris           and richard and the katipods
19:41 chris           they did the lovely design work
19:41 brendan         and richard and katipods++
19:41 chris           plus all the static pages
19:42 chris           http://library.org.nz/services/kids/homework.html
19:42 chris           i like this one :)
19:42 wizzyrea_away   Cute!
19:42 jwagner         What's the OPAC URL?
19:43 jwagner         Or is that it?  Sorry, missed the search box
19:43 wizzyrea_away   library.org.nz
19:44 jwagner         Purty!
19:48 hdl_laptop      WOWOWOW.... Congratulations
19:49 wizzyrea_away   I know, it's gorgeous. I'm totally jealous. ;)
19:50 hdl_laptop      owen wizzyrea_away reading logs.
19:50 hdl_laptop      I have a patch for the problem on filtering patrons.
19:50 wizzyrea_away   woo hoo!
19:50 wizzyrea_away   hdl_laptop++
19:52 hdl_laptop      I can send it onlist.
19:52 hdl_laptop      Congratulations chris.
19:54 chris           eek bus time
19:54 chris           back in a bit
20:13 hdl_laptop      wizzyrea_away: sent on list help yourself
20:20 chrisdroid      Well that was weird
20:30 octothorpesarus s
20:34 richard         hi
20:42 chris           morning richard
20:42 albertos        hi all
20:42 richard         hi chris
20:42 richard         hi albertos
20:42 albertos        can i ask a question about authorities?
20:43 albertos        ok...i 'll go for it...
20:43 albertos        and if someone... wants to help :-)
20:43 albertos        i recently got invovled with koha
20:43 albertos        and i installed v 3.0.06
20:43 albertos        everything seems ok
20:43 albertos        i migrated some data from another lib
20:44 albertos        all went ok so far
20:44 albertos        but...
20:44 albertos        when i try to search authorities
20:44 albertos        i get this error: authorities-home.pl: oAuth error: Unsupported Use attribute (114) Heading Bib-1, referer ...
20:44 albertos        i found a quick fix...
20:44 albertos        with modifyin some file and change the header,,
20:44 albertos        rebuilded zebra...
20:45 albertos        but.. still same error...
20:45 albertos        any help?
20:46 chris           i dont use authorities sorry :(
20:47 albertos        no prob...
20:47 albertos        no prob
20:47 albertos        someone?
21:07 octothorpesarus Anyone know if the 3.1+ branch supports LDAP authentication by binding to the server as the user vs anonymous?
21:15 gmcharlt        octothorpesarus: yes, it's a supported option
22:21 brendan         @eightball you think the mets will win tonight?
22:21 munin           brendan: Naturally.
23:19 magnus          g'night #koha
23:40 eiro            can someone tell me when this message appears:
23:40 eiro            PARAM:LOOP:next_loop:hash pointer was expected but not found
23:58 gmcharlt        error in a H::T::Pro loop - value passed to the template is not an arrayref of hashrefs for whatever variable is referenced in the tmpl_loop