Time Nick Message 00:15 genji slow day.. 00:34 pianohacker night 03:53 Amit heya brendan, chris 03:53 brendan heya Amit 04:39 Amit hello i m unable to install Graphics::Magick via CPAN 04:39 Amit any idea? 04:41 robin why are you unable to install it? 04:45 Amit robin it's require Method::Signatures 04:46 Amit but in this module there is no Makefile.PL 04:46 robin are you using cpan to install it? 04:46 Amit i have try both cpan/manual 04:52 robin Method::Signature seems to have a lot of dependencies, did they all install successfully? 04:53 Amit Method::Signature creates a problem 04:55 Amit robin: any idea? 04:55 robin not really, I also get errors attempting to install it. 04:55 robin Can you just install the distros libgraphics-magick-perl? 04:56 Amit i have already install this module by rpm 04:57 robin then why are you trying to install it again? 04:57 Amit but is show a error while generating a patron card 04:58 Amit [Tue May 25 09:51:42 2010] [error] [client 127.0.0.1] Can't locate Graphics/Magick.pm in @INC (@INC contains: /opt/kohaclone /usr/lib/perl5/5.10.0/i586-linux-thread-multi /usr/lib/perl5/5.10.0 /usr/lib/perl5/site_perl/5.10.0/i586-linux-thread-multi /usr/lib/perl5/site_perl/5.10.0 /usr/lib/perl5/vendor_perl/5.10.0/i586-linux-thread-multi /usr/lib/perl5/vendor_perl/5.10.0 /usr/lib/perl5/vendor_perl .) at /opt/kohaclone/patroncards/create-pdf.pl line 24., referer: h 04:58 Amit ttp://localhost:8081/cgi-bin/koha/patroncards/print.pl 04:58 robin Well, when you installed the RPM, did it install Graphics/Magick.pm in one of those locations? 04:59 Amit robin: I think it's require CPAN module also 05:00 robin well, if there's a distro package, it'll take the place of the CPAN module. 05:00 Amit hmm 05:01 Amit so which is the better way CPAN or RPM 05:01 robin RPM if you can 05:01 Amit k 05:14 robin chris: why, when adding a patron, is zip code mandatory? 05:16 chris you can make it not be 05:17 chris you can make whatever you want mandatory 05:17 chris i forget where 05:17 chris somewhere in admin :) 05:19 chris system preferences 05:19 chris in the patrons tab 05:19 chris BorrowerMandatoryField 05:19 chris i love searchable sysprefs 05:19 chris pianohacker++ 05:21 robin ah, cool 05:24 robin "Expiration date: 00/02/0" -- that'll be MySQL and it's inifinite wisdom, right? :) 05:24 chris :) 05:25 chris mysql takes the gigo mantra to the limit :) 05:25 robin heh 05:34 robin chris: is it normal for it to sit for a long time after hitting "Stage for Import"? Last time I tried, I don't remember it taking this long. 05:35 robin Oh, it had worked, it just hadn't told me. 06:24 cait morning #koha 06:42 Amit robin: it's work 07:16 chris robin: yeah i think there is a bug with the js, that reports back 07:17 cait hi chris 07:21 chris hi cait 07:31 cait I saw the tweets about hlt - grats :) 07:37 chris thanks 07:38 magnus yeah, the hlt opac is looking good! and so is the kete integration. congrats! 07:39 chris richard and walter at katipo did tons too 07:40 * chris likes it that 2 companies in 'competiton' collaborated together to do it 07:40 chris coopetition as paul_p would say 07:46 magnus coopetition++ 07:55 eiro aurelie_v, wb :) 07:55 eiro oh ? i'm desapointed 07:56 paul_p eiro: lol 07:57 * paul_p laptop has problems, so working with spare computer we have, fortunatly ! 07:57 chris :) 08:13 hdl_laptop chris: congratulation 08:13 hdl_laptop s 08:14 chris thank you, the librarians did all the hard work 08:17 paul_p chris: why are you congratulated ? (laptop down, so no twitter, no rss, ... maybe I should know ;-) ) 08:18 chris www.library.org.nz 08:22 paul_p chris : /me working on a presentation of Koha history (for a conference organised by the SAN-Ouest Provence). I'm sure you already have something ! 08:27 chris ahh yep 08:27 chris there are a couple of things useful for that 08:27 chris http://git.koha-community.org/gitweb/?p=koha.git;a=blob;f=docs/history.txt; 08:28 chris http://journal.code4lib.org/articles/1638 <-- early history 08:29 chris http://blog.bigballofwax.co.nz/tag/unsung-heroes/ 08:35 chris that help? 08:37 cait oh, comments still not moderated? http://spedr.com/36yox 08:39 chris try http://newsbreaks.infotoday.com/NewsBreaks/Harley-From-PTFSLibLime-What-It-Isand-Isnt-67309.asp 08:39 chris i know there are some other comments waiting to be moderated too 08:39 chris they aren't very fast at moderating 08:41 paul_p thx chris (was already working with history.txt, and 1638 interesting !) 08:47 cait chris: thx 08:47 cait :) 10:01 chris http://metservice.com/national/warnings/severe-thunderstorm-warnings 10:05 magnus batten down the hatches! 10:31 cait chris: is there a problem with pootle? 10:35 chris looks like it, it seems to run for a few days then explode 10:36 cait its running, although slow 10:36 cait but I cant see the projects or access the po files 10:37 cait from my account I see the quick links to opac and staff files, but Im told that I have no rights to access them 10:37 chris http://translate.koha.org/de/ 10:37 cait You don't have permission to access this page. 10:37 chris hmm weird 10:37 mason chris, stick munin on it... ;) 10:38 cait I logged out, still same message 10:38 chris when did you last look at it? 10:38 mason ...its a grate way to troubleshoot a fritzy box 10:38 cait uh, last week 10:39 mason (erm, after a weeks worth of history :/ ) 10:40 chris naw wouldnt have told me anything in this case 10:41 chris this is purely an application error 10:45 mason ah, so it is... i thought it was thrashing.. 10:46 mason perhaps cait's translate account has been removed... 10:47 chris nope 10:47 mason whew, thats good news 10:47 chris its crashing whenever it tries to check permissions 10:47 chris yeah, cos that would mean someone had hacked my server at home 10:48 mason *nods* 10:52 cait1 t 10:56 chris hmm no idea what its doing 10:58 cait1 its late for you, no hurry. just wanted to let you know 10:59 cait1 t 11:27 chris can you edit anything now? 11:31 cait1 really slow internet connection today *sigh* 12:17 chris cait_lunch: cant figure it out, but the translations are all there at least, i will try again tomorrow 12:18 owen chris: I don't know how you can get by on so little sleep! 12:18 * owen is an in-bed-by-10 kinda guy 12:19 chris owen: theres a quiet room at work 12:19 chris with couches 12:19 chris :) 12:19 owen siestas++ 12:20 chris ok, bed time 12:20 chris night all 12:21 chris (i have 7.5 hours before kahu wakes :)) 12:22 gmcharlt good morning 12:23 owen Hi gmcharlt 12:42 hdl_laptop hi gmcharlt 12:42 gmcharlt hi owen hdl_laptop 12:56 greenmang0 @wunder mumbai 12:56 munin greenmang0: The current temperature in Mumbai, India is 32.0�C (5:40 PM IST on May 25, 2010). Conditions: Partly Cloudy. Humidity: 70%. Dew Point: 26.0�C. Pressure: 29.68 in 1005 hPa (Steady). 12:57 magnus @wunder bodo, norway 12:57 munin magnus: The current temperature in Bodo, Norway is 8.0�C (2:20 PM CEST on May 25, 2010). Conditions: Mostly Cloudy. Humidity: 76%. Dew Point: 4.0�C. Windchill: 6.0�C. Pressure: 29.53 in 1000 hPa (Steady). 12:57 owen Average out mubai and bodo and you've got a pretty nice day ;) 12:58 greenmang0 owen: yeah :) 12:59 greenmang0 owen: in some parts of my states today's temperature is 48.7 12:59 greenmang0 my state* 13:00 * owen would melt 13:00 collum @wunder 41011 13:00 munin collum: The current temperature in Newport Aquarium, Newport, Kentucky is 23.4�C (9:00 AM EDT on May 25, 2010). Conditions: Clear. Humidity: 61%. Dew Point: 16.0�C. Pressure: 30.13 in 1020.2 hPa (Steady). 13:03 jwagner Morning all. Got an indexing question for you. There are indexes like mc-ccode or mc-itype which allow you to search more than one code. Would it be possible to set up an mc-branch index and search more than one branch at a time? 13:18 jdavidb @wunder 20817 13:18 munin jdavidb: The current temperature in Langley Fork Park, McLean, Virginia is 20.9�C (9:17 AM EDT on May 25, 2010). Conditions: Overcast. Humidity: 86%. Dew Point: 18.0�C. Pressure: 30.25 in 1024.3 hPa (Steady). 13:30 owen I notice with the new Bugzilla I'm prompted to download patch attachments rather than being able to view them in my browser. 13:30 owen Is that something that can be configured differently? 13:31 owen A mime-type setting or something? 14:06 jwagner @quote random 14:06 munin jwagner: Quote #38: "<owen> Holy Bugzilla activity explosion, Batman!" (added by ricardo at 10:00 AM, October 07, 2009) 14:09 gmcharlt owen: try now 14:10 owen Thanks gmcharlt 14:16 jdavidb @quote random 14:16 munin jdavidb: Quote #74: "<owen> chris: Not to mention the cute kid quote AI you've been developing. that takes a lot of cycles" (added by gmcharlt at 09:11 AM, May 18, 2010) 15:19 libtek Anyone know if it is possible to override blocks in koha? I don't want to disable them, but if we want to override them, maybe even through an elevated user, can it be done? 15:19 owen Depends on the block 15:20 owen ...and I'm not sure which permissions are in 3.0.x and which are only in 3.2... 15:20 libtek How about, for example, you have an item that doesn't circ. Sometimes we will loan it. Is there a way to do this? 15:22 cait I think you can override taht 15:23 cait not sure if its a granular permission or every staff member can do 15:24 owen I can't override a "not for loan" item in 3.2 with superlibrarian privileges 15:24 libtek Neither can I. I was wondering if I was missing a special setting somewhere. 15:25 wizzyrea I know this is one of the ptfs features 15:30 libtek what is ptfs? 15:30 mle ptfs is a company 15:30 libtek ah 15:32 wizzyrea they just submitted a bunch of features/patches/fixes for inclusion in 3.4 15:42 cait owen: strange 15:48 cait libtek: sorry 15:48 cait bye all! 15:59 hdl_laptop gmcharlt: just sent you a patch for XSLT 15:59 gmcharlt hdl_laptop: yep, looks like I beat you to the punch 15:59 hdl_laptop Yes. But mine does much more. 15:59 gmcharlt I'll look at the patch you sent me privately and see if there are bits I can incoporate 15:59 hdl_laptop Do you want me to rebase ? 16:00 hdl_laptop I sent you privately in order to see whether I should go on and write sysprefs and update database. 16:00 hdl_laptop Or just leave that up for 3.4 16:01 gmcharlt I will handle it 16:01 gmcharlt considering that your patch includes bogus stuff like a use of LWP::Simple, I'll just take it apart and rebuild it manaully 16:01 gmcharlt I'll submit the results to the patches list 16:02 hdl_laptop gmcharlt: is LWP::Simple Bogus ? 16:03 gmcharlt considering that none of its methods are *used* in the places where your patch adds it 16:03 gmcharlt yes 16:06 gmcharlt also, 3920 is *already* fixed in HEAD 16:09 gmcharlt I've just opened enhancement bug 4813 for XSLTResultsDisplay to be fully implemnted in 3.4 16:09 munin 04Bug http://bugs.koha-community.org/bugzilla3/show_bug.cgi?id=4813 enhancement, P5, ---, gmcharlt, NEW, implement XSLTResultsDisplay 16:25 brendan @wunder 93117 16:25 munin brendan: The current temperature in Northwest Goleta, Goleta, California is 14.0�C (9:21 AM PDT on May 25, 2010). Conditions: Clear. Humidity: 71%. Dew Point: 9.0�C. Pressure: 30.01 in 1016.1 hPa (Rising). 17:14 libtek Question...I am tinkering with exporting patron records from our current system to import into Koha. Is there any functionality that is broken either with reports or notices if I put the street number with the rest of the address? 17:15 brendan shouldn't be it's a text field 17:16 libtek Wasn't sure. I don't usually see the address separated from the street number. 17:17 owen libtek: That is entirely optional 17:17 owen You'd only want to use that if you were to always use street number + street type 17:17 jwagner It's more of a European setup -- US libraries don't usually do it that way. Depends on your data & where you are : -) 17:18 jwagner hey, owen, since you're here -- there's no way to limit jquery statements by branch is there? Say you have separate OPACs for different consortia branches? 17:19 jwagner I can't think of a way to apply a jquery that wouldn't affect all of them. 17:19 owen Not unless there was some evidence of the current branch in the page which you could check 17:20 jwagner That's a thought. Don't have a request for that right now, but I was thinking about customizations & that suddenly popped into my mind. 17:20 owen We really need a well-thought-out method for handling multiple opac configurations 17:21 jwagner Yes, _please_ I was doing some experimenting today with the current setup. I managed to make it search multiple branches and multiple ccodes (my current requirements), but it's REALLY clunky 17:21 libtek One more question - If a patron has a physical address and P.O. Box, which address should go where, and will Koha know to use the P.O. Box when creating notices? 17:22 jwagner I couldn't get it to use a remote server stylesheet, but I don't know if that would work once my patch for that is in place. 17:22 owen libtek: Around here we've been told to always put the PO box first or it won't get delivered to the right place 17:22 owen Koha only cares about address1 and address2, it doesn't care what you put in them 17:23 libtek So the alternate address is ignored by the system, as far as notices go. That's only for staff to reference, right? 17:24 jwagner libtek, yes, so far as I know. 18:37 wizzyrea_away nekls actually suppresses the street number field 18:37 wizzyrea_away using juery 18:38 wizzyrea_away *query even 18:41 gmcharlt koha-commit emails now working again 18:41 brendan gmcharlt++ 19:18 wizzyrea owen: about? 19:18 owen Yes 19:18 wizzyrea lol, mibbit tester again 19:19 munin Announcement from my owner (gmcharlt): kohagit 19:19 wizzyrea I'm curious about the syspref for the intranet navigation 19:19 wizzyrea it doesn't seem to style the links the same when you put a URL in there? 19:19 wizzyrea http://screencast.com/t/ZTc5MmM3OW 19:19 wizzyrea is there a philosophical reason for that 19:20 wizzyrea I do notice that it's not in a <li> tag 19:21 wizzyrea and I suppose, now that I think about it, you probably don't want to require entries there to be automatically enclosed in a <li> 19:21 wizzyrea um 19:21 wizzyrea never mind I think I answered my own question >.< 19:22 owen Happy to be of service! 19:22 wizzyrea lol 19:22 wizzyrea sorry for the distraction. 19:23 owen In my test install it seemed like I needed to adjust the width of #toplevelnav in order to keep the menu from wrapping. 19:23 wizzyrea I just added the <li> around it and now it looks right 19:23 wizzyrea sorry, that was dumb. 30 seconds worth of firebug and I knew why it was doing that. 19:24 wizzyrea how many items do you have up there? 19:29 gmcharlt @kohagit 19:29 munin gmcharlt: fix a common "developement" typo <http://git.koha-community.org/gitweb/?p=koha.git;a=commitdiff;h=64daee549541d8dc7c763426f417bdfe97f085bc> bug 4377: ensure HOLD_PRINT letter added during installation and upgrade (DBrev 135) <http://git.koha-community.org/gitweb/?p=koha.git;a=commitdiff;h=411bfaabb8cc9bca6ab831002f10cd2063bdb32f> bug 4311: respect OPACXSLTResultsDisplay <http://git.koha- (14 more messages) 19:32 munin New news from kohagit: fix another link to koha-community.org 19:38 hdl_laptop @kohagit 19:38 munin hdl_laptop: fix another link to koha-community.org <http://git.koha-community.org/gitweb/?p=koha.git;a=commitdiff;h=cfadc92c900b4c3782e21809795b040ce048f470> / fix a common "developement" typo <http://git.koha-community.org/gitweb/?p=koha.git;a=commitdiff;h=64daee549541d8dc7c763426f417bdfe97f085bc> / bug 4377: ensure HOLD_PRINT letter added during installation and upgrade (DBrev 135) <http://git.koha- (15 more messages) 19:54 munin New commit from kohagit: Bug 4199: Adds ability to print routing slip. Patch 2. <http://git.koha-community.org/gitweb/?p=koha.git;a=commitdiff;h=c45ddf7ff717513949301dbff70144d2a87e762e> / Bug 4199: Adds ability to print routing slip from serials-collection. <http://git.koha-community.org/gitweb/?p=koha.git;a=commitdiff;h=e6a416a847d2711fdbbf89c2619b11ac1d97ce37> / Bug 4805: Fixes multiple subscriptionid's being passed to serials-collection. <http 19:55 gmcharlt @more 19:55 munin gmcharlt: community.org/gitweb/?p=koha.git;a=commitdiff;h=b1ed3af63350d0d754fb309644b3d57be707041b> / bug 4018: remove duplicate unAPI link when XSLT bib details display on <http://git.koha-community.org/gitweb/?p=koha.git;a=commitdiff;h=f243b83ec0f1942ed19bc2c2cefaba2a9bc03ebd> / Install the admin scripts. <http://git.koha- (14 more messages) 19:55 gmcharlt @more 19:55 munin gmcharlt: community.org/gitweb/?p=koha.git;a=commitdiff;h=a9f918a8aef2dd985206deb4fc333a885ada3ec5> / Make koha-create be able to handle manual database creation. <http://git.koha-community.org/gitweb/?p=koha.git;a=commitdiff;h=50503da1195de13f0b69467fd78bc55a71bea858> / Add support for a remote mysql server. <http://git.koha- (13 more messages) 19:55 gmcharlt @more 19:55 munin gmcharlt: community.org/gitweb/?p=koha.git;a=commitdiff;h=df6767467b90bb5706a8ce975f9c11f04e9f23cb> / Use /etc/mysql/koha-common.cnf instead of the Debian one. <http://git.koha-community.org/gitweb/?p=koha.git;a=commitdiff;h=2ae1e3c21da0c41f9daccffe27fce7ed5be188d2> / Add koha-foreach, a script to run a command for each Koha instance. <http://git.koha- (12 more messages) 19:55 gmcharlt @more 19:55 munin gmcharlt: community.org/gitweb/?p=koha.git;a=commitdiff;h=cfd5fae5a336688194acee558d53b2ed83245e30> / Centralize creation of Koha instance dirs. <http://git.koha-community.org/gitweb/?p=koha.git;a=commitdiff;h=b25fa64cd6758e6173e3dcfcdcfa2b0a161fcb50> / Add scripts to start, stop, restart Zebra, and rebuild its indexes. <http://git.koha- (11 more messages) 19:55 gmcharlt @more 19:55 munin gmcharlt: community.org/gitweb/?p=koha.git;a=commitdiff;h=2e626be90cc84d703a9e47f0402252b91b69b1d3> / Add koha-upgrade-schema, a script to upgrade the database schema. <http://git.koha-community.org/gitweb/?p=koha.git;a=commitdiff;h=439989924da634a2b1463a2b0c7434e83ca661c7> / Add koha-dump-defaults, a script to dump a defaults file. <http://git.koha- (10 more messages) 19:55 gmcharlt @More 19:55 munin gmcharlt: community.org/gitweb/?p=koha.git;a=commitdiff;h=b69b670d63ff72d7aa818374f892ba887d82212f> / Add koha-reset-passwd, a script for resetting a user's password. <http://git.koha-community.org/gitweb/?p=koha.git;a=commitdiff;h=5789aea5bb08526381dcd6e8eced7e6865e58734> / Add koha-enable, a script to re-enable a Koha instance. <http://git.koha- (9 more messages) 19:55 gmcharlt @more 19:55 munin gmcharlt: community.org/gitweb/?p=koha.git;a=commitdiff;h=321300b4f7683f53a60d0326e27a952142510151> / Add koha-disable, a script to disable a Koha instance. <http://git.koha-community.org/gitweb/?p=koha.git;a=commitdiff;h=71e585df2f9efa39d10e9112023413a94df63ceb> / Add koha-restore, a script to restore a Koha instance from a dump. <http://git.koha- (8 more messages) 19:55 gmcharlt @More 19:55 munin gmcharlt: community.org/gitweb/?p=koha.git;a=commitdiff;h=01bd539cab1255df63e5369838247d0df5d9b2ab> / Add koha-list, a script to list all Koha instances. <http://git.koha-community.org/gitweb/?p=koha.git;a=commitdiff;h=83f0c9681bbdae749a0677703f2923a715bf20e2> / Add koha-dump, a script to dump a Koha site. <http://git.koha- (7 more messages) 19:55 gmcharlt @more 19:55 munin gmcharlt: community.org/gitweb/?p=koha.git;a=commitdiff;h=41b1bfcab7324ebca2d47a09335b0c09f5fab173> / Add koha-remove, a script to remove a Koha instance. <http://git.koha-community.org/gitweb/?p=koha.git;a=commitdiff;h=561bc593a87e5c78bbd87478fe7c6422f406602d> / Add koha-create, a script to create a new Koha instance. <http://git.koha- (6 more messages) 19:55 gmcharlt @more 19:55 munin gmcharlt: community.org/gitweb/?p=koha.git;a=commitdiff;h=1285d5a1330e7fbce919275e21620219fa7155d0> / Add koha-post-install-setup, a script to be run by sysadmin post-install. <http://git.koha-community.org/gitweb/?p=koha.git;a=commitdiff;h=483ef82cd3581462b10995d158351d045412d0de> / Replace dependencies on koha-dev-env with list of packages. <http://git.koha- (5 more messages) 19:55 gmcharlt @More 19:55 munin gmcharlt: community.org/gitweb/?p=koha.git;a=commitdiff;h=6340d2246859b3784bb922c8af7b0bbc6ca0db92> / Split off koha-common. <http://git.koha-community.org/gitweb/?p=koha.git;a=commitdiff;h=27c6ab764cdb38f8b87b56f66b450b514894a119> / Set version number in debian/changelog to indicate upcoming 3.2. <http://git.koha-community.org/gitweb/?p=koha.git;a=commitdiff;h=7b12cc210e1dcbe101769d6f475f6cd4ae1acd6a> / (4 more messages) 19:55 gmcharlt @More 19:55 munin gmcharlt: Convert debian/copyright file to the DEP5 format. <http://git.koha-community.org/gitweb/?p=koha.git;a=commitdiff;h=66c32c6657f2534b505a4c729e3f3d3fe6c0e4d0> / Switch to native source format. <http://git.koha-community.org/gitweb/?p=koha.git;a=commitdiff;h=edf3a9d5be2d327193b63954478bfab74896339a> / Bugfix: Install old yui stylesheets, since Koha needs them. <http://git.koha- (3 more messages) 19:55 gmcharlt @More 19:55 munin gmcharlt: community.org/gitweb/?p=koha.git;a=commitdiff;h=704754db0cc328808cae74bc98a55f959f78d875> / Bugfix: Create the jquery.js symlink for opac to the right target. <http://git.koha-community.org/gitweb/?p=koha.git;a=commitdiff;h=f585e88472151401ef409d08a3a35ea21825400a> / Bugfix: Remove Debian packaging files remaining from old packaging effort. <http://git.koha- (2 more messages) 19:55 gmcharlt @more 19:55 munin gmcharlt: community.org/gitweb/?p=koha.git;a=commitdiff;h=2bce655e2d3307aebcaa9bb0553b2907cfb0fcaf> / Bugfix: Remove pointless executable bits from sql files. <http://git.koha-community.org/gitweb/?p=koha.git;a=commitdiff;h=18990e60ee9fe534ab74d8d2125ff65377741ae5> / removed unconditional warn introduced in previous patch <http://git.koha- (1 more message) 19:55 gmcharlt @more 19:55 munin gmcharlt: community.org/gitweb/?p=koha.git;a=commitdiff;h=a2ad21ac9e006514764fc828630a893d3c29f689> 19:55 gmcharlt whew 19:59 gmcharlt owen: I'm curious to hear your thoughts on bug 4523 20:00 munin 04Bug http://bugs.koha-community.org/bugzilla3/show_bug.cgi?id=4523 enhancement, P5, ---, chris, NEW, aqbudgets.pl - possibility to show / hide the filters menu 20:01 owen I agree with your comment that it would seem odd to have a control here but nowhere else 20:02 owen I'm not sure why this particular instance needs to be hidden, but I don't manage budgets so I don't know how this page can work in the real world 20:02 gmcharlt saving horizontal space? dunno 20:03 gmcharlt I'm thinking that if we go in for something like this, besides doing it consistently, we'd need better styling to make it clear what the link was doing 20:04 owen I've never found what I felt like was a good implementation of this kind of thing 20:04 owen I think it's always awkward 20:07 gmcharlt maybe a second layer? click a link for more/advanced options, it shows up? 20:07 gmcharlt ... but if you do that, you'd want to make sure that if you set a filter, that you could continue to see what the filter values in effect are 20:08 * wizzyrea is reminded about the usability study she'd like to do/have done 20:09 wizzyrea dumb question: what area of collegiate study does usability fall under? 20:09 wizzyrea Computer Science? 20:09 owen navel-gazing 20:09 wizzyrea snarktastic! 20:09 gmcharlt wizzyrea: quite a few areas, actually 20:09 wizzyrea so if I were looking for a usability class that could potentially do a study as a project 20:09 gmcharlt arts and design, computer science, psychology, etc. 20:10 * wizzyrea gazes lovingly at her navel 20:10 gmcharlt as far as course titles to look for 20:10 gmcharlt usability, of course, but also interaction design 20:10 wizzyrea how is it that you know absolutely everything, gmcharlt? 20:10 gmcharlt human-computer interfaces 20:10 jwagner a lot of project management areas deal with usability and process. Especially things like Six Sigma 20:10 wizzyrea I"m going to start calling you "gmcharltopedia" 20:10 wizzyrea aha 20:10 wizzyrea yes, thanks 20:10 gmcharlt my brain is my own! it's not a wiki! 20:10 gmcharlt ;) 20:11 wizzyrea lol... you'll notice I didn't call you wikigmcharltopedia 20:11 jwagner You Are Not A Number! You Are A Free Wiki! 20:11 gmcharlt riffing on what jwagner says, it can verge into pure management theory 20:11 gmcharlt e.g., time-and-motion studies 20:11 wizzyrea aha, so several areas to look 20:11 * wizzyrea goes to look at the local university 20:12 * owen must leave, but will try that patch tomorrow and see if it inspires him 20:14 wizzyrea these seem promising http://screencast.com/t/MWE3YjM5Zj 20:14 wizzyrea will email these people and see what they say 20:14 wizzyrea probably not next semester, but maybe next year 20:15 gmcharlt yep, looks like you're on the right track 20:15 gmcharlt particularly if the two intructors listed also have grad stduents 20:16 wizzyrea 2nd looks like grad level class to begin with 20:16 gmcharlt right, which is good 20:16 gmcharlt but if you get a grad student involved in doing usability work for Koha as a thesis project 20:16 gmcharlt *much* more free labor 20:16 gmcharlt ;) 20:16 wizzyrea hehe 20:17 wizzyrea ^^ is what I'm looking for 20:37 richard hi 20:49 chris morning 20:59 JimmytheGeek Good afternoon 21:00 JimmytheGeek I'm getting this error when I try to visit my site initially: 21:00 JimmytheGeek Software error: 21:00 JimmytheGeek Can't locate YAML.pm in @INC (@INC contains: /usr/share/koha/lib /etc/perl /usr/local/lib/perl/5.10.0 /usr/local/share/perl/5.10.0 /usr/lib/perl5 /usr/share/perl5 /usr/lib/perl/5.10 /usr/share/perl/5.10 /usr/local/lib/site_perl .) at /usr/share/koha/lib/C4/SQLHelper.pm line 27. 21:00 JimmytheGeek BEGIN failed--compilation aborted at /usr/share/koha/lib/C4/SQLHelper.pm line 27. 21:01 JimmytheGeek Where can I find YAML.pm, or did something not install properly? 21:02 chris looks like yeah you didnt install YAML 21:02 wizzyrea have you installed YAML? 21:02 wizzyrea doh 21:02 chris what os are you running? 21:02 JimmytheGeek Debian Lenny 21:03 JimmytheGeek I must have missed something in the Install.x file 21:04 JimmytheGeek is this a sudo apt-get install fix, or do I need to go back a few steps 21:04 wizzyrea sudo apt-get install libyaml-perl or somesuch 21:04 JimmytheGeek ok 21:04 wizzyrea at this point most of your problems are going to be perl modules you've missed. 21:05 JimmytheGeek Cool. Thanks, wizzyrea 21:05 wizzyrea larsw: you've been super busy, awesome 21:05 wizzyrea larsw++ 21:07 JimmytheGeek Now it's can't locate HTML/Template/Pro.pm. Another apt-get? 21:07 wizzyrea probably a cpan 21:07 wizzyrea sudo cpan -i HTML::Template::Pro (I think) 21:07 wizzyrea (somebody please correct me if I'm wrong) 21:08 larsw JimmytheGeek, if you haven't installed it yet, installing the apt-file package is super-useful for that; you can then do this: apt-file search HTML/Template/Pro.pm and it will tell you which package, if any, contains the file 21:08 wizzyrea ^^ good tip 21:09 wizzyrea larsw++ 21:09 larsw wizzyrea, thanks for you incs, I try to be useful 21:10 wizzyrea you are definitely useful 21:10 wizzyrea :D 21:10 * wizzyrea learns something useful from larsw almost every day 21:23 JimmytheGeek Great tip, larsw. I'll use it for sure. @wizzyrea - your command was correct. I'm going to have to do these step by step it looks like. 21:23 JimmytheGeek I am Chuggington 21:52 gmcharlt larsw: regarding C4/Installer/PerlDependencies.pm, would you think it a good or bad idea to record the Debian packages that supply the given Perl modules there 21:55 larsw gmcharlt, ideally the mapping from Perl or CPAN module to Debian package would be automated, I think; not sure if it is entirely feasible, so adding debian packages manually to the list would be ok with me 21:55 wizzyrea oh, chrome has firebug-like functionality built in 21:55 * wizzyrea didn't know that 21:55 chris it does now 21:55 wizzyrea that's neat 21:56 larsw gmcharlt, we'd need to optionally specify the Debian package version as well, since it is not always the same as the cpan module version, for example 21:56 gmcharlt larsw: yeah, you can guess the Debian package name 90% of the time, but not always 21:57 gmcharlt as far as the hash is concerned, I'm thinking something like debian => package-name as the default 21:57 gmcharlt and debian-lenny => foo, debian-squeeze => baz 21:58 gmcharlt if necessary to specify a different package name for a particular debian release 21:58 gmcharlt and a boolean debian_use_testing if it's known that stable doesn't have the minimum version required 21:58 JimmytheGeek any idea where the XML.pm module is in the CPAN 21:59 JimmytheGeek specifically the one that belongs in MARC/File/ ? 22:01 gmcharlt JimmytheGeek: the module is MARC::File::XML 22:01 gmcharlt currently http://search.cpan.org/~gmcharlt/MARC-XML-0.92/lib/MARC/File/XML.pm 22:01 larsw gmcharlt, I'm worried that adding more abstraction on top of the Debian packaging is going to a) make things difficult to change for a non-Koha person (when Koha gets uploaded to Debian) and b) will blow up and end up requiring a lot of complexity to handle all different scenarios 22:02 larsw gmcharlt, would it be acceptable to not generate the dependency list in debian/control automatically, but have the debian package build check it against PerlDependencies.pm? checking if a Debian package contains a perl module should be possible 22:06 JimmytheGeek thanks gmcharli 22:07 JimmytheGeek sorry, gmcharlt 22:07 gmcharlt larsw: here's an example of what I have in mind 22:07 gmcharlt http://koha.pastebin.com/kCK2CXBD 22:08 gmcharlt and we could add convenience routines to extract the list of Debian packages for the purpose of feeding into debian/control 22:09 gmcharlt my main goal is to have a single place that encodes all (Perl) dependency information 22:09 gmcharlt obviously things like mysql, etc., would have to be accounted for by the packagers separately 22:09 gmcharlt but there are *far* fewer such dependencies than there are perl module deps 22:10 JimmytheGeek This would appear, to me anyway, to be an 'oh SHIT!' moment: 22:10 JimmytheGeek Access denied for user 'kohaadmin'@'localhost' (using password: YES) at /usr/share/koha/lib/C4/Context.pm line 697. 22:10 larsw I'm for keeping things in one place, but against making the packaging hard for a generic Debian developer to understand 22:12 larsw gmcharlt, but let me think about this and get back to you? 22:13 gmcharlt larsw: sure thing