Time Nick Message 21:56 pianohacker No, don't think so 21:54 mib_mike Do I have to restart the zebra daemon after changing zebra-biblios.cfg? 21:51 hdl_laptop (simple 'sanity' check, but quite usefull) 21:51 hdl_laptop check also that you have anough space on your disk 21:50 hdl_laptop iirc it is -w 21:50 hdl_laptop mib_mike: you could also use the noshadow.... 21:47 mib_mike check! 21:47 pianohacker Ah, you might still want the -x and -nosanitize, but nothing else I can think of 21:47 mib_mike O.K. I'm about to "re-run using the -s and -d parameters" Do I need any other parameters to start at the merging process? 21:43 mib_mike Thanks, bgkriegle 21:43 bgkriegel mib_mike, look on /etc/koha/zebradb/zebra-biblios.cfg, the lines begining with register and shadow 21:41 larsw mib_mike, usually in /etc/koha somewhere (might be called zebra-something.cfg) 21:39 mib_mike pianohacker: Where is zebra.cfg? 21:38 hdl_laptop chris: there ? 21:37 pianohacker mib_mike: Wow, okay, you have a lot of bibs. There's a few places in the zebra-biblios.cfg file in your koha configuration file where it has things like ':4G'; just increase those 21:37 mib_mike any clue what limits I need to adjust? 21:36 mib_mike Adjust the limits in your zebra.cfg 21:36 mib_mike mf_write: isambD error (4) no more space 21:36 pianohacker hehehe 21:36 mib_mike Just when I thought I was out... they pull me back in. 21:36 pianohacker You can use a bit of tmpl_if expr here, since it's a hack :) 21:36 pianohacker libtek: I _think_ the logged in user's branch is sent to the template 21:35 libtek hmmm....maybe I can hack the template to output a certain way based on IP? 21:34 brendan pianohacker++ ##I think it's your show today - way to go 21:33 pianohacker libtek: I don't think there's much notice customization per-library at the moment 21:33 pianohacker There's a cleanup_database script you can use 21:33 libtek to anyone - I'm trying to find out if there is a way to customize the hold slips for triggered holds for just one library, and not globally. Is it possible, or am I just dreaming? 21:32 mib_mike By the way, does anybody know if there is any garbage collection in the session database? I'm not going to have the same problem in my mysql in a few months, am I 21:31 mib_mike That's a good idea, pianohacker! Thanks again. 21:31 pianohacker mib_mike: If you know exactly when the cronjob started failing (or even close) you can look at the zebraqueue to see which bibs were modified before that 21:30 mib_mike I'm doing it manually right now, but my cron job isn't reindexing either, so until I can track down the bad marc, I'll have to switch the cronjob too 21:29 libtek Is this a rebuild for your crontab or just single use? 21:28 mib_mike pianohacker just suggested I use -x and -nosanitize 21:27 libtek mib_mike: what parameters are you using? 21:26 mib_mike Wow these parameters really do mean a fast rebuild_zebra - I'm already past the point where it used to crash. 21:25 libtek Anyone running 3.06? 21:25 mib_mike would have been ignored in this case anyway. 21:24 mib_mike I suppose a warning about running something to clear /tmp periodically if you use session files would be a good thing, but it probably 21:24 larsw ok 21:24 wizzyrea ^^ 21:24 wizzyrea larsw: it was CGI_SESSx type stuff 21:24 mib_mike The large number of files in /tmp was caused by setting koha up to use session files rather than a database for session info. 21:22 larsw mib_mike, oh, one more thing about /tmp: you should find out what causes the large amount of data there, and fix that, but it might also be practical to run the tmpreaper program (or something similar on non-Debian) to clean up /tmp occasionally 21:19 mib_mike Great. Thanks again everybody. 21:19 pianohacker Yes 21:19 mib_mike But the marc field is the one to check, right, not marcxml? 21:18 mib_mike Well, yeah, but if it's going to be a web script... 21:18 pianohacker So export from koha, then run it on the exported file 21:17 pianohacker I think marclint just runs on ISO2709 files 21:17 mib_mike If I wanted to write that script, I'd run marclint on the marc field of the biblioitems table? 21:17 pianohacker well, yeah 21:16 * larsw is hoping that it will lead to someone paying his employer to write the, of course ;-) 21:16 larsw pianohacker, indeed 21:16 pianohacker larsw: Yeah. Of course, saying such things will lead to a request for a patch :) 21:15 pianohacker If marclint works with batches of records, then you could just run it on sets of records using its range options, and gradually narrow it down 21:15 larsw having a tool to verify at least syntactic correctness of records seems like an obvious thing to build, for someone, someday 21:15 mib_mike mail is probably set up to go to the wrong place. 21:14 pianohacker So you have little to lose 21:14 mib_mike My rebuilds are failing now, so... 21:14 pianohacker If you have cron and mailing set up, it'd send an error email to you 21:14 pianohacker Just that the rebuilds will fail 21:14 mib_mike what does "insanely broken" mean, in terms of functionality 21:14 pianohacker I'm not sure whether it works with batches of records, offhand 21:13 mib_mike chris or someone pointed me to marclint, which takes a bit of scripting to use. 21:13 pianohacker *export tool 21:13 pianohacker larsw: There's marclint, but you'd need to narrow it down painstakingly using the marclint tool. 21:13 pianohacker If a bad MARCXML slips into the db, they'll also be insanely broken, but with my library's db created from an import, and some time in koha 2.2 and 3.0, that hasn't happened yet 21:12 larsw is there a tool to verify marc records so mib_mike can find the offensive one? 21:12 pianohacker Your rebuilds will be insanely faster 21:11 pianohacker Very little 21:11 mib_mike Aside from maybe getting the indexing to finish, what effect will this have on koha? 21:10 pianohacker That'll tell it to rebuild using a MARCXML dump, rather than ISO2709. -nosanitize tells it to just dump the saved marcxml, rather than creating it from the MARC record 21:09 mib_mike Can you elaborate on those options? 21:09 pianohacker Try rebuilding with the -x and -nosanitize parameters 21:09 pianohacker mib_mike: It looks like you might have a bad MARC buried in your database 21:08 pianohacker likely 21:08 mib_mike Is this the underlying c code for the zebra indexer? 21:08 larsw mib_mike, rebooting from cd would not have made removing /tmp any faster, I think 21:08 mib_mike I did a google search on "Marc: Bad Directory" and it pointed me here: http://www.indexdata.com/zebra/dox/html/mod__grs__marc_8c_source.html 21:07 mib_mike Yes, index, meaning rebuild_zebra 21:07 pianohacker mib_mike: index meaning rebuild_zebra? 21:06 mib_mike But who would have guessed? 21:06 mib_mike After the fact I decided I would have done better to boot from a cd, and remove, and recreate the /tmp directory. 21:05 larsw at least on Debian systems, /tmp does get cleaned up right after local filesystems are mounted, so your assumption about deleting files was probably right 21:04 mib_mike the fsck during boot came up clean. 21:04 mib_mike I just finished running an index and I'm still getting that "MARC: Bad directory/ Bad offsets in data. Skiping rest" message 21:03 mib_mike Temp is now empty 21:03 chris is it happier now? 21:03 mib_mike I figured it was still deleting files. 21:02 larsw deleting files can be quite slow, especially if there are a lot of them, or they're very big 21:02 mib_mike It got stuck just after the "mount local file system" stage. 21:02 chris i think you have HD issues 21:02 chris holy crap 21:02 mib_mike So I rebooted this morning. It took 4 hours to reboot. 21:02 chris yeah, theres something seriously wrong there 21:02 mib_mike In fact by Monday morning, it had only deleted half the files. 21:01 mib_mike It ran all night. 21:01 mib_mike I had to write a shell script to delete files 21:01 mib_mike too many arguments. 21:01 mib_mike I couldn't just rm /tmp/* it gave me an error 21:01 chris that tidy anything up? 21:01 chris yup 21:01 mib_mike I decided to follow your reboot suggestion on Monday (today) but delete some cgisess files in the mean time. 21:00 mib_mike remember that overstuffed /tmp directory I had Friday? 20:59 mib_mike hi chris 20:35 richard hi brendan 20:34 brendan heya richard 20:34 brendan :) 20:34 brendan (spelt it right too) 20:34 brendan yo pianohacker 20:30 richard hi 20:29 pianohacker Hi brendan 20:19 chris hey brendan 20:19 brendan good morning 20:19 brendan heya chris 20:16 chris back 20:13 munin brendan: The current temperature in Northwest Goleta, Goleta, California is 17.1�C (1:12 PM PDT on May 24, 2010). Conditions: Clear. Humidity: 54%. Dew Point: 8.0�C. Pressure: 30.05 in 1017.5 hPa (Falling). 20:13 brendan @wunder 93117 20:13 owen Ciao #koha 20:10 munin moodaepo: The current temperature in South on Monks, Mankato, Minnesota is 35.1�C (3:10 PM CDT on May 24, 2010). Conditions: Mostly Cloudy. Humidity: 37%. Dew Point: 18.0�C. Pressure: 29.85 in 1010.7 hPa (Falling). Wind Advisory in effect until 8 PM CDT this evening... 20:10 moodaepo @wunder 56001 20:09 wizzyrea surely there is some job at mibbit that has this title 20:09 wizzyrea mibbit testers 20:09 owen Maybe mibbit employs teams of mibbit-testers to crawl the web and test mibbit widgets 20:08 wizzyrea l8r 20:08 chrisdroid Cyas in about 5 min 20:08 wizzyrea to make sure it works, apparently 20:08 chrisdroid Ok time to get off 20:08 owen Why do people feel the need to do that? 20:08 mib_i618e8 testing the mibbit widget 20:02 chrisdroid Ahh bus full of wet ppl, I love winter :S 20:01 chrisdroid Can't irc on the bus otherwise :) 20:00 chrisdroid Ahh the hardware keyboard is why I got the milestone 19:59 chrisdroid I think ill switch my gmail to imap and use k9 mail 19:59 nengard chrisdroid, no - touch screen only 19:58 owen Yeah, the iPhone mail app is no better in that regard... it's a pain to compose a decent reply 19:58 chrisdroid You have a hardware keyboard eh? 19:57 nengard hehe 19:57 chrisdroid I hate that 19:57 chrisdroid The gmail app top posts 19:57 nengard ? 19:57 nengard but i can't type on the phone that easily 19:57 chrisdroid Tell you what I hate 19:57 nengard yeah i have it too 19:56 chrisdroid AndChat is the irc app I'm using it doesn't suck 19:54 chrisdroid Milestone is too long 19:54 chrisdroid Heh 19:54 nengard hello droid :) 19:53 chrisdroid Hi nengard 19:50 chrisdroid Kahu loves the rain, his mum .... not so much 19:49 cait bye all 19:48 chrisdroid Lol 19:48 * owen is torn: hates the heat, but likes to be able to send the kids out to play 19:48 * cait fleeing 19:48 cait duct tape? bondage? 19:48 chrisdroid Yeah we just get the rain 19:48 wizzyrea :D 19:48 chrisdroid ps I freaking love my phone 19:48 wizzyrea oh I saw snow and thought it must be cold, but that must be further south 19:47 chrisdroid Ill take the hot, its not cold here just wet 19:46 wizzyrea our nasty hot weather or your nasty cold weather? 19:46 chrisdroid Gah its disgusting out there 19:43 munin owen: The current temperature in Ohio University, Athens, Ohio is 26.7�C (3:46 PM EDT on May 24, 2010). Conditions: Scattered Clouds. Humidity: 48%. Dew Point: 15.0�C. Pressure: 29.97 in 1014.8 hPa (Steady). 19:43 owen @wunder 45701 19:39 wizzyrea st-icky 19:39 wizzyrea er 19:38 wizzyrea bleh. 64% humidity. Could be worse I guess but still icky 19:38 munin wizzyrea: The current temperature in Lawrence Live-Courtesy of the Khoury's, Lawrence, Kansas is 29.8�C (2:41 PM CDT on May 24, 2010). Conditions: Clear. Humidity: 64%. Dew Point: 22.0�C. Pressure: 29.92 in 1013.1 hPa (Falling). 19:38 wizzyrea @wunder 66047 19:22 * pianohacker smiles uncomfortably 19:21 wizzyrea gmcharlt: o. m. g. that was the funniest thing I've read all day 19:21 wizzyrea no duct taping of the pianohacker. 19:21 jwagner No bondage now, this is a family show..... 19:20 gmcharlt jwagner: just different kinds of bonding, is all ;) 19:19 pianohacker Hi wizzy 19:19 pianohacker Hahaha 19:18 jwagner That's probably more pleasant than the chains and duct tape that gmcharlt and jdavidb threatened him with.... 19:15 * wizzyrea pounces pianohacker with a huge hug 19:15 wizzyrea omg pianohacker! 19:02 pianohacker rhcl: However, 0.4 is in the works, and has the potential to be awesome 19:01 pianohacker Heh, yes 19:01 rhcl Yea, so I gathered from your posts. 19:01 pianohacker The previous version is pretty stable, but requires a little work to install 19:00 pianohacker rhcl: It's been languishing for a while. I've been working on it in my spare time, but there hadn't been much of that 19:00 rhcl ic. Somebody emailed me about it this AM wanting some help and I was wondering about the status of the project. 18:59 pianohacker Working on at this very moment, in fact 18:59 pianohacker rhcl: Yes I am 18:58 rhcl pianohacker: are you the coder of Powerline? 18:46 pianohacker morning chris 18:45 chris morning 18:33 libtek ug! 18:33 libtek I'm not completely:) 18:32 pianohacker Heh, at least it wasn't 'Password: ' 18:29 libtek oops 18:29 libtek /etc 18:27 * owen thinks one of these days he'll get a 3.0.x installation running for testing 18:26 libtek I am on 3.00.06. 18:26 libtek I see the source info. Thanks for the clue. 18:26 owen What version are you on? 18:26 libtek I'm going to have to look at the files that structure this page. 18:25 libtek I was trying to figure out why my advanced search screen structure looks different than yours. I'm noticing that I get an extra line on the limit section that says "Limit type to: match any of the folowing:" just below the line that says "Limit to any of the following:" I also get a second version coming from who knows what source when I select "[More options]" at the bottom of the screen. 18:23 owen You'll see this tag near the top: <meta name="generator" content="Koha 3.0100061" /> 18:22 owen By the way you can check any Koha OPAC's self-reported version number by viewing source on an OPAC page 18:22 owen The stable branch results in 3.0.6. HEAD, the unstable branch, will eventually be 3.2 18:22 libtek ah... 18:22 owen It's one of two main branches of Koha development 18:21 libtek What is that? 18:21 libtek HEAD? 18:20 owen Our library's installation is based on HEAD, but is a few months behind it. Koha reports itself as 3.01.00.061 18:19 libtek What version of Koha are you running? 18:19 owen Yes 18:19 libtek owen: are you available? 18:13 joetho the world is a funny place 18:13 joetho which is odd, considering what he wrote in the first place 18:13 collum yep. I noticed that, as well. 18:13 joetho i noticed that 18:12 owen Interesting...the author's response to my comment doesn't seem to have any bearing to what I wrote. 18:10 collum owen: just checked infotoday and your and chris' comments were published. 17:55 pianohacker Hi owen 17:55 owen Hey pianohacker! 17:54 pianohacker Hey, chocolate works 17:54 joetho sure 17:54 jwagner chocolate? 17:54 * joetho says chains come in many flavors 17:53 jwagner gmcharlt, you could accomplish the same thing by assigning all the open bug reports to him. 17:53 pianohacker you'll never take me alive! 17:53 * jdavidb adds duct tape to gmcharlt's chains, Just In Case. 17:53 joetho Preferences interface. 17:53 pianohacker gah! 17:53 pianohacker haha 17:53 * gmcharlt sneaks around pianohacker and chains him to #koha 17:53 joetho no, he divorced my sister after 35 years of marriage. Don't learn that. 17:53 jwagner I'm somewhat familiar with New Mexico school of mines, but not Colorado's 17:52 pianohacker Oh, hey cool 17:52 pianohacker hi jdavidb 17:52 joetho hey my brother in law went there 17:52 * jdavidb waves to pianohacker. 17:52 pianohacker Thanks. School of Mines, here in colorado 17:52 jwagner Yes indeed, congrats on the graduation. Where are you headed next? 17:52 joetho anyway congratulations. 17:51 joetho getting caught up with three years worth of assignments? 17:51 joetho I'm not even close, am I 17:51 pianohacker Ahah, not for this online school hermit. Mainly, they were keeping me busy with, well, schoolwork 17:51 joetho ditching sixth hour 17:50 joetho pranks 17:50 joetho awards assemblies 17:50 joetho banquets 17:50 pianohacker Just graduated :) 17:50 joetho Senior in high school? in May? 17:50 pianohacker School :P 17:49 jwagner Where have you been, Jesse? 17:45 pianohacker Woah there. Hi jwagner 17:44 jwagner_meeting a pianohacker sighting! We've missed you! 17:44 pianohacker good morning 16:22 hdl_laptop jwagner_meeting: not there... 16:19 jdavidb thanks. :) 16:18 * cait sends some chocolate 16:18 jdavidb less-than-stellar. 16:18 cait bad day? 16:18 * munin reloads and spins the chambers. 16:18 munin *BANG* Hey, who put a blank in here?! 16:18 cait @roulette 16:18 munin jdavidb: *click* 16:18 jdavidb @roulette 16:18 jdavidb rats. 16:18 munin cait: *click* 16:18 cait @roulette 16:18 munin jdavidb: *click* 16:18 jdavidb @roulette 16:17 * munin reloads and spins the chambers. 16:17 munin *BANG* Hey, who put a blank in here?! 16:17 cait @roulette 16:07 libtek It's great. Really gives me an idea and direction. Thanks again. 16:04 owen Personally I think we've got too many collection codes, but revisiting it is too complicated at the moment 16:03 libtek thanks 16:03 owen http://search.myacpl.org 16:03 libtek owen: what is the address to your catalog? Do you mind me looking at what you've done? 16:02 libtek Okay...that gives me something to chew on. Thanks for the input. 16:02 libtek I see... 16:01 libtek owen?: not to say it is wrong, or that you are backwards ;) 16:01 owen Then we have collection codes to define many genre/audience categories like Adult Fiction, Mystery, Juvenile non-fiction, etc. 16:01 owen libtek: We have a few broad categories for circulation rules: General, audio-visual, non-circulating 16:00 libtek owen: Is this how you do it? I saw that, but it just seemed kinda backwards to set collection codes to be the formats to sort by. 15:58 owen collection codes don't have any bearing on circulation, but you can set up the opac advanced search to filter on them 15:57 owen libtek: You can't define circ rules around anything but itemtype, but you can configure collection codes as alternative categories 15:57 cait :) 15:57 jdavidb 12? wow. 15:57 munin jdavidb: Highest karma: "gmcharlt" (145), "chris" (132), and "owen" (108). Lowest karma: "<!" (-57), "failed" (-39), and "-" (-25). You (jdavidb) are ranked 12 out of 844. 15:57 jdavidb @karma 15:57 libtek Is there anyway to define circulation rules around something other than type? 15:56 munin cait: Highest karma: "gmcharlt" (145), "chris" (132), and "owen" (108). Lowest karma: "<!" (-57), "failed" (-39), and "-" (-25). You (cait) are ranked 26 out of 844. 15:56 cait @karma 15:56 libtek I know that item type is used to define circulation rules (i.e. checkout length and fines,etc). However, I notice that in advanced search, you can filter your search by type. What kinds of types do you use? How do you deal with things like this: You have a type called BOOK that checks out for 28 days, but you have a type called NEW that checks out for 14 days. Do you end up with both of these types in the advanced search? Se 15:51 libtek I have a logistics question I'd like to ask you guys about types and collections, if you have a moment. 15:48 mason nice one! ;) 15:47 libtek I am back up and running. Thanks guys. That was good to learn. 15:42 mason ah, just clicked.. its a koha2 and 3 on one box 15:39 libtek using sudo. Shouldn't be an issue. Not throwing up an error. 15:38 bgkriegel permissions? 15:38 libtek Can't seem to copy the file to the sites-enabled folder for some reason. 15:33 mason yeah, IP:80 or *:80 should do it 15:31 bgkriegel :) 15:31 libtek the only thing in /etc/apache2/sites-enabled is koha. Nothing else. So, I'll put a copy of this file in there, and I'll modify it ensuring the box's address is specifically used, and then restart apache. 15:31 mason appling spelling! :/ 15:30 mason im appling the KISS method 15:30 bgkriegel if prefer to link it, ln -s /etc/koha/koha-httpd.con /etc/apache2/sites-available/koha, and then a2ensite koha 15:29 mason oops, /etc/apache2/sites-enabled 15:29 mason apache2ctl restart ;) 15:28 mason cp /build/koha-3.00.06/etc/koha-httpd.conf /etc/apache/sites-enabled 15:28 bgkriegel may be you need to replace your new koha-httpd.conf with the old one 15:28 libtek this file is ringing a bell. I think I had replaced the local address with the actual address of the box. 15:27 mason erm, /etc/apache2/sites-enabled/ is the correct dir 15:27 bgkriegel libtek: yes, thats the type of renaming of the upgrade 15:25 libtek I also have a file that came up on the locate /etc/koha/koha-httpd.conf_koha_3_00_02_12. I am wondering if that was created during the upgrade? 15:24 mason something your conf file can be OK, its another one thats causi ng the problem 15:24 libtek I am assuming it would be the one in /etc/koha 15:24 libtek not here...I have it in the /build/koha-2.00.06/blib/KOHA_CONF_DIR/, and /build/koha-3.00.06/etc/ folders, (also same folders for ver 3.00.02) and then in /etc/koha 15:23 mason a config error in the other conf files, can cause weird behaviour in your *correct* config file 15:22 jwagner gmcharlt, thanks for the BZ reset 15:21 mason start with just 1 file.. 15:21 mason lives in /etc/apache/site-enabled 15:21 mason then you def. know which one is active! 15:21 libtek any suggestion which one to keep? Where should it be living? 15:20 mason and start with that one... 15:20 mason remove *all* but one ;) 15:19 mason lol 15:19 libtek questions is, which do I look at..I'm not sure which copy is the active koha-httpd.conf file. I have 5 that I have found 15:19 mason e 15:19 mason d 15:19 mason c 15:19 mason b 15:19 mason a 15:17 mason whatever caused the 127.* mod is prolly when it got broke :) 15:15 libtek I'll look at the .conf file... 15:13 mason sounds like you just need to remember what to unbreak 15:11 mason you should be using the example koha-httpd.conf files 15:10 mason 127.* means that you can only access koha via loopback interface? 15:09 mason '127.0.1.1:80' should be *:80 etc. 15:09 libtek I'm seeing this "NameVitualHost *:80 has no VirtualHosts" 15:08 mason ahhhh... 15:08 pastebot "libtek" at 192.168.15.101 pasted "sudo apache2ctl -t -D DUMP_VHOSTS results" (5 lines) at http://paste.workbuffer.org/15 15:08 bgkriegel are things ok to "sudo apache2ctl configtest"? 15:07 mason helps to reveal fall-thru errors in your apache's vhost blocks 15:06 mason and the apache access/error logs files too 15:06 mason thats the command that helps me find my complex apache-conf errors 15:05 mason sudo apache2ctl -t -D DUMP_VHOSTS 15:04 mason apache debugging is a bitch... :/ 15:01 libtek yep 14:59 bgkriegel and your koha site is enabled? look on /etc/apache2/sites-enabled 14:58 libtek already disabled 14:58 libtek Hmmm...I thought I disabled my default site. I'll try disabling it again.... 14:54 wizzyrea sounds to me like your default site is irritating your koha install 14:53 wizzyrea sudo a2dissite default 14:53 wizzyrea oh, nm, reading fail 14:53 wizzyrea it dosn't do anything or it times out with file not found or... 14:52 libtek Not seeing anything in the koha error logs since Friday when I was last on. 14:47 libtek I'm seeing many lines in the error.log for apache that say "[error] [client 10.100.30.72] File does not exist: /htdocs" (72 is my workstation) 14:45 bgkriegel and on /var/log/koha 14:44 bgkriegel no, look on /var/log/apache2 14:44 libtek We are not using a dns for this box. Doing all testing strictly by IP. IP hasn't changed. Where would I find apache logs? Not seeing them in /etc/apache2/ 14:42 wizzyrea anything in the apache logs? 14:42 wizzyrea says he can ping, but doesn't say if by name or by number 14:41 bgkriegel libtek: can be a dns problem? 14:38 owen libtek: And you were able to reach Koha before? 14:37 libtek For both staff and opac. 14:36 libtek I just get a "webpage can not be found" error page. 14:36 libtek Good morning. I've come in today to find my Koha server unresponsive in the browser. I can't bring up the web services at all, yet I can ping and remote in just fine. I've tried restarting apache (sudo apache2ctl restart), but that didn't make any difference. Anyone have any ideas what to try next? 14:31 rhcl Hi cait 14:17 joerg unfortunately it does not boot (grub reports error 18) 14:17 joerg just downloaded it because I thought that should be the easiest way to get an impression of koha.... 14:17 joerg anyway has anybody tried that 3.0.x virtualbox image? 14:16 joerg cool....I have been to NZ last year :) and probably gonna come back for summer in the beginning of next year.... 14:00 sekjal thanks, gmcharlt. exactly what I needed to know. 14:00 gmcharlt they could enable SSL for the staff interface 13:59 gmcharlt if the library is concerned about transport-layer security 13:59 gmcharlt such files aren't encrypted on the server 13:59 gmcharlt the "GUI" wording threw me off 13:59 gmcharlt ah 13:55 sekjal gmchartl: mostly concerned with borrower import information, but really any file uploaded from a librarian desktop to their Koha server via the GUI 13:54 sekjal for example, if a library uploaded a CSV of borrower information with plaintext passwords, would that pose a security risk? 13:53 gmcharlt sekjal: which files? uploaded how? 13:53 owen Thanks for the reminder gmcharlt . I saw your note in the bug report but lost track of it in my to-do list 13:52 sekjal Are files uploaded to Koha via the GUI encrypted or hashed in any way? 13:50 gmcharlt thanks 13:49 owen Sure 13:49 gmcharlt your patch for 4443 appears to have introduced a structural error in the template logic 13:49 gmcharlt owen: could you take a look at koha-tmpl/intranet-tmpl/prog/en/modules/tools/batchMod-del.tmpl 13:33 genji it worked... 13:33 genji i grabbed my isp's dns... put them into my linux boxes resov.conf.. 13:33 bgkriegel sounds bad 13:33 genji its not my isp... 13:33 genji my router isn't forwarding dns requests anymore... 13:32 genji hmm. found something odd.. 13:31 gmcharlt jwagner_meeting: your account (reported by and CC list membership) is now linked up to all of the relevant bugs in the new BZ 13:30 bgkriegel try 200.16.17.179 13:30 bgkriegel genji, 13:24 genji But, its a worldwide phenomena now. 13:24 genji it was born in nz.. and the original developers still support it. 13:22 joerg or is it just the server? 13:22 joerg is koha a NZ based project? 13:22 joerg hi 13:22 genji anyone got another dns server ip address? 13:21 genji no good 13:17 bgkriegel auth3.opendns.com has address 208.69.39.2 13:17 bgkriegel auth2.opendns.com has address 67.215.68.68 13:17 genji thanks.. 13:17 bgkriegel auth1.opendns.com has address 208.69.39.2 13:17 genji its a new connection with domain name not cached. 13:17 bgkriegel sorry 13:17 genji can't get pastebin 13:16 bgkriegel genji, http://pastebin.com/iFFY8iqu 13:13 genji seems my isp's dns server is down.. so.. the connections i have open... are the only ones im going to get, unless i use ip numbers.. im thinking.. 13:12 genji hiya... can someone give me the opendns dns server ip numbers? 12:56 chris heh 12:52 * owen 's comment will probably be rejected as redundantly nit-picking 12:51 genji 3.0.6, hiding marc fields / subfields, works? 12:46 * owen wonders how long it takes for comments to get approved on infotoday.com 12:44 genji ptfs, is doing the opposite. they are contributing. 12:44 genji liblime, if they released something, would claim things.. 12:43 chris genji: huh? 12:40 genji as upposed to liblime's tightlip. this is cool. 12:40 genji wow... ptfs being publically honest.. 12:39 mason i was going with 210, ta 12:38 gmcharlt mason: 210 12:38 mason http://bit.ly/cTK4y7 12:38 nahuel mason, grep z3950 /etc/services 12:37 mason Q: whats the historical default z39-server *port* ? is there one? 12:33 owen http://newsbreaks.infotoday.com/NewsBreaks/Harley-From-PTFSLibLime-What-It-Isand-Isnt-67309.asp 12:33 jwagner owen, what link are you looking at? 12:19 owen Not to mention "the official Koha Project release (currently 3.02)" That's what you get for getting all your facts from Liblime.com 12:19 chris someone doesnt quite have his facts right 12:18 chris heh yeah 12:16 owen "Some of the enhancements to Koha currently available only in LibLime's Enterprise Koha include an integrated Zebra search engine" Wha? 12:15 nahuel :) 12:15 chris thanks nahuel 12:11 gmcharlt nahuel++ 12:11 nahuel gmcharlt, fixed 12:00 gmcharlt nahuel: reminder - please remove the https links from http://lists.koha-community.org/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo 11:49 cait :) 11:48 * cait waves back 11:41 * jdavidb waves to chris and cait. 11:41 cait hi gmcharlt, jwagner and jdavidb 11:40 jwagner morning, all 11:40 chris http://www.library.org.nz/cgi-bin/koha/opac-search.pl?q=maori+battalion (2nd load of the page should be faster than the first) 11:39 chris morning jdavidb, jwagner and gmcharlt 11:37 jdavidb Hello, #koha. 11:36 gmcharlt good morning 10:40 chris thanks, katipo did the design work, catalyst did the koha upgrade 10:36 cait the new hlt catalog and website look nice 10:20 chris back 10:15 eiro well ... it's our production system and we did lot of stuff on debian. it's the only one reason 10:09 mason i also want to use what everyone is using too, so if i get stuck i can ask for help :) 10:09 mason package up a good working dev-stack, and ill use it 10:08 eiro :-) 10:08 mason :) 10:07 mason as a desktop goes, i dont even wanna *have to* choose between ubuntu or kubuntu 10:07 mason yeah, 10:05 eiro well ... archlinux tries a KISS approach the debian derrivatives begun to loose 10:02 mason btw, i have not seen nixos or arch, ill try to have a look... 10:01 mason meaning i didnt release the difference was gnome/kde 10:01 mason actually, the ubuntu/kubuntu thing i just discovered! 10:00 mason hmm, dont? 10:00 eiro yup ... btw i really would like to have the time to test another distrib. I really don't like the way ubuntu goes on. nixos and archlinux seems to be awesome 09:59 mason but i digress... 09:59 mason ubuntu seems to get better every release 09:58 mason wow, so old 09:58 eiro ohhh ... i have to reinstall soon! i'm still under jaunty and it's borring to maintain my own debian packages for perl 09:57 mason faster than iterm+snow-lep switching anyhoo.. 09:56 mason alt-tab switching is very snappy with default ubuntu 09:56 mason and i setup a macbook with ubuntu last week, very happy 09:56 eiro no way mason! we just leave a very cold winter :-> 09:55 mason heh, lets swap! 09:54 eiro oohhh ... we have our first sunny days of summer here! a shiny blue sky 09:54 * chris goes to catch a taxi home 09:54 mason http://metservice.com/national/warnings/index 09:54 chris http://www.library.org.nz/cgi-bin/koha/opac-search.pl?q=maori+battalion 09:53 mason raining, with storm warning.. 09:53 mason v. good here :) 09:53 eiro how are you, guys ? 09:52 eiro wow! mason, chris! long time not reading you. 09:52 * mason waves 09:48 cait h eiro 09:47 chris hi eiro 09:37 eiro hello koha people! 08:16 cait ah ok :) 08:15 chris i didnt comment on the site bit 08:15 chris i said those features (except holdings) are in 3.2 and its 3.2 not 3.1 08:15 chris i did, its waiting in moderation 08:14 cait will you comment on the article? 08:14 cait hi chris 08:05 chris hiya cait 08:01 cait good morning #koha 06:47 CGI152 logout 06:46 CGI152 enable 05:27 kmkale hi Amit 05:26 Amit heya mason, kmkale 04:56 mason yep, im greatfull every time i use it, which is often 04:55 kmkale hi mason 04:53 mason hi chris, kmkale 04:53 chris he is good value, his new sys prefs interface rules 04:52 mason wow, sure was nice to catch-up with an old liblime workmate... 04:52 mason cya jesse 04:48 kmkale hi chris 04:48 chris hi kmkale 04:47 kmkale good morning all 04:47 chris cya pianohacker 04:47 pianohacker night, all 04:46 pianohacker mason++ 04:46 pianohacker On that note, I should probably head out, getting a bit late 04:46 mason the 'loose worldwide consortium' of facebook users 04:45 mason 'loose worldwide consortium' 04:43 pianohacker hehehe 04:43 mason but , was just checkin' 04:43 mason secretly, i thought so... 04:42 mason sweet ;) 04:42 pianohacker Of course, bro 04:42 mason jesse, you and me are still tight, surely... ? 04:41 mason damn, i thought we were all tight? 04:41 pianohacker who's feeling loose today? 04:41 pianohacker mason: we were just ragging on that 04:40 mason " not on www.koha-community.org, the official website of the loose worldwide consortium of Koha developers and users" 04:40 mason lol, http://newsbreaks.infotoday.com/nbreader.asp?ArticleID=67309 04:40 pianohacker not that I'm talking about, say, most of the popular proprietary ILSs or anything 04:36 chris *nod* 04:36 pianohacker But it's uglier than sin and has an incredibly asinine ui 04:35 pianohacker And an "estimated TCO" that falls within your budget 04:35 pianohacker You'll end up with something that has every feature on your long list 04:34 pianohacker Right. And yeah, choosing software objectively can be actively dangerous 04:33 larsw pianohacker, I can try to not make it worse, though :) 04:33 chris pragmatists often forget that pragmatism is an ideaology too 04:33 pianohacker That's actually fairly apropos, relative to some of the other stuff on here 04:32 pianohacker Hahahaha you have obviously not seen quite how off-topic we can get ;) 04:32 larsw but that's perhaps off-topic, again, for #koha, sorry 04:32 larsw "Choosing an ILS should be an objective process, not a subjective one." -- that is perhaps the most glaring error of all... so many aspects of choosing a complicated software system are not objectively quantifiable that is is _never_ an objective process 04:24 chris and the version number is 3.2.0 ... 04:23 chris the list of features, barring marc21 holdings are all in official koha too 04:23 chris liblime shifted it to plone, but most of the content was by others 04:23 chris yeah 04:22 larsw "www.koha.org, the corporate website developed by LibLime" -- I thought the website was created by many people and organisations, over the years, was I wrong? 04:16 chris some glaring factual errors in there 04:16 chris http://newsbreaks.infotoday.com/nbreader.asp?ArticleID=67309 04:09 chris http://twitter.com/oleonard/status/14507760549 04:07 chris as i say, a bizarre decision each week 04:07 chris yeah, and no way to make an account 04:07 larsw login page does not have a registration button 04:06 chris make that everyone 04:06 pianohacker Mine's missing too 04:06 chris yeah they kicked at least 4 ppl i know of out .. make that 5 countin you lars 04:05 chris actually can you see a link to make a new account? 04:05 larsw hmm... I can't log in using my openid 04:04 pianohacker chris: dear god, I missed that 04:04 robin oh, so it's not a public wiki? 04:04 chris so i could make a new one i guess .. but i really dont want to get in a wiki edit war with them 04:04 chris well they killed all our logins robin 04:04 larsw the cost of freedom (allowing anyone to edit) is occasional vigilance (checking recentchanges for malicious stuff) 04:04 robin Maybe you should just quietly edit old wiki links to point to pages on the new wiki, so it gets all the google juice 04:04 chris http://wiki.koha.org/doku.php?do=revisions&id=start 04:03 chris i have rss feeds of the changes, so i usually go revert if i spot any 04:03 chris but a human can still put some up (which is what looks like what happend on the old wiki .. it used to happen a bit) 04:03 pianohacker okay, cool 04:03 chris there is for automated spam 04:02 pianohacker chris: is there spam protection for the new wiki, or are we relying on someone watching the recent changes page? 04:02 larsw ooh, I think I missed that 04:02 chris joetho: there is spam on the front page of the old wiki now too, links to online betting sites 04:01 chris http://www.web2learning.net/archives/3848/comment-page-1#comment-181175 04:00 larsw vomit? 04:00 chris the vomit comment still takes the cake 03:59 pianohacker there was that oddly passive-aggressive, "disappointed" press release, in the same vein, though that's old news 03:59 chris i dont think they can let a week go by without doing something bizzare 03:59 chris and changing the links for downloading koha on the old koha site 03:58 chris just like turning bugs.koha.org back on 03:58 pianohacker yup 03:58 chris i bet 03:58 chris under oriders 03:58 pianohacker wow, that is weird 03:58 brendan clay 03:58 chris http://twitter.com/ranginui/status/14546027960 03:58 pianohacker hrm. ctf? 03:58 chris thats why i tweeted this 03:58 chris joetho: that was edited by a spammer (the git page) 03:57 brendan ;) 03:57 brendan chris not interesting, wrong 03:57 chris yeah but who uses that old wiki anyway? :-) 03:57 pianohacker More than good enough; I think most of the active devels at the moment got started from that doc 03:57 chris http://wiki.koha.org/doku.php?id=start&do=diff <-- thats an interesting edit 03:57 joetho yes, but the koha.org one is being currently edited 03:56 chris thats what happens when you let me write stuff 03:56 chris its been there for a while :) 03:55 chris http://wiki.koha-community.org/wiki/Version_Control_Using_Git 03:55 pianohacker a template designer from the nelsonville library? Who on earth could that be, scooby? 03:55 chris oh no wait we cant 03:55 chris well we could edit it 03:54 joetho last edit was this week 03:54 joetho "if you are a developer from, oh, say, the Nelsonvillle library, etc etc" 03:54 pianohacker well, git is weird 03:54 brendan hi pianohacker 03:54 joetho http://wiki.koha.org/doku.php?id=en:development:git_usage 03:54 joetho too weird: 03:53 pianohacker hey, joetho, what are you doing here this late? 03:52 pianohacker and hdl 03:52 hdl_laptop hi pianohacker 03:51 pianohacker Hi, brendan 03:44 brendan so not too late yet ;) 03:44 brendan 8:47pm local time 03:43 hdl_laptop brendan: must be very late for you 03:43 Amit heya brendan 03:43 brendan hi amit hdl_laptop 03:43 Amit heya hdl_laptop 03:42 hdl_laptop hi all 03:37 chris hi Amit 03:37 Amit heya chris 02:29 munin brendan: The current temperature in Northwest Goleta, Goleta, California is 16.7�C (7:29 PM PDT on May 23, 2010). Conditions: Partly Cloudy. Humidity: 38%. Dew Point: 2.0�C. Pressure: 29.91 in 1012.8 hPa (Steady). Wind Advisory in effect until 9 PM PDT this evening... 02:29 brendan @wunder 93117 01:01 CGI566 am having an issue with the Shelf browser in Koha 3.00.06.010, the shelf browser is showing some weired images, it is repeating the same image for all the books, does anybody sugest a solution for this 00:59 CGI566 Hi All