Time Nick Message 00:59 CGI566 Hi All 01:01 CGI566 am having an issue with the Shelf browser in Koha 3.00.06.010, the shelf browser is showing some weired images, it is repeating the same image for all the books, does anybody sugest a solution for this 02:29 brendan @wunder 93117 02:29 munin brendan: The current temperature in Northwest Goleta, Goleta, California is 16.7�C (7:29 PM PDT on May 23, 2010). Conditions: Partly Cloudy. Humidity: 38%. Dew Point: 2.0�C. Pressure: 29.91 in 1012.8 hPa (Steady). Wind Advisory in effect until 9 PM PDT this evening... 03:37 Amit heya chris 03:37 chris hi Amit 03:42 hdl_laptop hi all 03:43 Amit heya hdl_laptop 03:43 brendan hi amit hdl_laptop 03:43 Amit heya brendan 03:43 hdl_laptop brendan: must be very late for you 03:44 brendan 8:47pm local time 03:44 brendan so not too late yet ;) 03:51 pianohacker Hi, brendan 03:52 hdl_laptop hi pianohacker 03:52 pianohacker and hdl 03:53 pianohacker hey, joetho, what are you doing here this late? 03:54 joetho too weird: 03:54 joetho http://wiki.koha.org/doku.php?id=en:development:git_usage 03:54 brendan hi pianohacker 03:54 pianohacker well, git is weird 03:54 joetho "if you are a developer from, oh, say, the Nelsonvillle library, etc etc" 03:54 joetho last edit was this week 03:55 chris well we could edit it 03:55 chris oh no wait we cant 03:55 pianohacker a template designer from the nelsonville library? Who on earth could that be, scooby? 03:55 chris http://wiki.koha-community.org/wiki/Version_Control_Using_Git 03:56 chris its been there for a while :) 03:56 chris thats what happens when you let me write stuff 03:57 joetho yes, but the koha.org one is being currently edited 03:57 chris http://wiki.koha.org/doku.php?id=start&do=diff <-- thats an interesting edit 03:57 pianohacker More than good enough; I think most of the active devels at the moment got started from that doc 03:57 chris yeah but who uses that old wiki anyway? :-) 03:57 brendan chris not interesting, wrong 03:57 brendan ;) 03:58 chris joetho: that was edited by a spammer (the git page) 03:58 chris thats why i tweeted this 03:58 pianohacker hrm. ctf? 03:58 chris http://twitter.com/ranginui/status/14546027960 03:58 brendan clay 03:58 pianohacker wow, that is weird 03:58 chris under oriders 03:58 chris i bet 03:58 pianohacker yup 03:58 chris just like turning bugs.koha.org back on 03:59 chris and changing the links for downloading koha on the old koha site 03:59 chris i dont think they can let a week go by without doing something bizzare 03:59 pianohacker there was that oddly passive-aggressive, "disappointed" press release, in the same vein, though that's old news 04:00 chris the vomit comment still takes the cake 04:00 larsw vomit? 04:01 chris http://www.web2learning.net/archives/3848/comment-page-1#comment-181175 04:02 chris joetho: there is spam on the front page of the old wiki now too, links to online betting sites 04:02 larsw ooh, I think I missed that 04:02 pianohacker chris: is there spam protection for the new wiki, or are we relying on someone watching the recent changes page? 04:03 chris there is for automated spam 04:03 pianohacker okay, cool 04:03 chris but a human can still put some up (which is what looks like what happend on the old wiki .. it used to happen a bit) 04:03 chris i have rss feeds of the changes, so i usually go revert if i spot any 04:04 chris http://wiki.koha.org/doku.php?do=revisions&id=start 04:04 robin Maybe you should just quietly edit old wiki links to point to pages on the new wiki, so it gets all the google juice 04:04 larsw the cost of freedom (allowing anyone to edit) is occasional vigilance (checking recentchanges for malicious stuff) 04:04 chris well they killed all our logins robin 04:04 chris so i could make a new one i guess .. but i really dont want to get in a wiki edit war with them 04:04 robin oh, so it's not a public wiki? 04:04 pianohacker chris: dear god, I missed that 04:05 larsw hmm... I can't log in using my openid 04:05 chris actually can you see a link to make a new account? 04:06 chris yeah they kicked at least 4 ppl i know of out .. make that 5 countin you lars 04:06 pianohacker Mine's missing too 04:06 chris make that everyone 04:07 larsw login page does not have a registration button 04:07 chris yeah, and no way to make an account 04:07 chris as i say, a bizarre decision each week 04:09 chris http://twitter.com/oleonard/status/14507760549 04:16 chris http://newsbreaks.infotoday.com/nbreader.asp?ArticleID=67309 04:16 chris some glaring factual errors in there 04:22 larsw "www.koha.org, the corporate website developed by LibLime" -- I thought the website was created by many people and organisations, over the years, was I wrong? 04:23 chris yeah 04:23 chris liblime shifted it to plone, but most of the content was by others 04:23 chris the list of features, barring marc21 holdings are all in official koha too 04:24 chris and the version number is 3.2.0 ... 04:32 larsw "Choosing an ILS should be an objective process, not a subjective one." -- that is perhaps the most glaring error of all... so many aspects of choosing a complicated software system are not objectively quantifiable that is is _never_ an objective process 04:32 larsw but that's perhaps off-topic, again, for #koha, sorry 04:32 pianohacker Hahahaha you have obviously not seen quite how off-topic we can get ;) 04:33 pianohacker That's actually fairly apropos, relative to some of the other stuff on here 04:33 chris pragmatists often forget that pragmatism is an ideaology too 04:33 larsw pianohacker, I can try to not make it worse, though :) 04:34 pianohacker Right. And yeah, choosing software objectively can be actively dangerous 04:35 pianohacker You'll end up with something that has every feature on your long list 04:35 pianohacker And an "estimated TCO" that falls within your budget 04:36 pianohacker But it's uglier than sin and has an incredibly asinine ui 04:36 chris *nod* 04:40 pianohacker not that I'm talking about, say, most of the popular proprietary ILSs or anything 04:40 mason lol, http://newsbreaks.infotoday.com/nbreader.asp?ArticleID=67309 04:40 mason " not on www.koha-community.org, the official website of the loose worldwide consortium of Koha developers and users" 04:41 pianohacker mason: we were just ragging on that 04:41 pianohacker who's feeling loose today? 04:41 mason damn, i thought we were all tight? 04:42 mason jesse, you and me are still tight, surely... ? 04:42 pianohacker Of course, bro 04:42 mason sweet ;) 04:43 mason secretly, i thought so... 04:43 mason but , was just checkin' 04:43 pianohacker hehehe 04:45 mason 'loose worldwide consortium' 04:46 mason the 'loose worldwide consortium' of facebook users 04:46 pianohacker On that note, I should probably head out, getting a bit late 04:46 pianohacker mason++ 04:47 pianohacker night, all 04:47 chris cya pianohacker 04:47 kmkale good morning all 04:48 chris hi kmkale 04:48 kmkale hi chris 04:52 mason cya jesse 04:52 mason wow, sure was nice to catch-up with an old liblime workmate... 04:53 chris he is good value, his new sys prefs interface rules 04:53 mason hi chris, kmkale 04:55 kmkale hi mason 04:56 mason yep, im greatfull every time i use it, which is often 05:26 Amit heya mason, kmkale 05:27 kmkale hi Amit 06:46 CGI152 enable 06:47 CGI152 logout 08:01 cait good morning #koha 08:05 chris hiya cait 08:14 cait hi chris 08:14 cait will you comment on the article? 08:15 chris i did, its waiting in moderation 08:15 chris i said those features (except holdings) are in 3.2 and its 3.2 not 3.1 08:15 chris i didnt comment on the site bit 08:16 cait ah ok :) 09:37 eiro hello koha people! 09:47 chris hi eiro 09:48 cait h eiro 09:52 * mason waves 09:52 eiro wow! mason, chris! long time not reading you. 09:53 eiro how are you, guys ? 09:53 mason v. good here :) 09:53 mason raining, with storm warning.. 09:54 chris http://www.library.org.nz/cgi-bin/koha/opac-search.pl?q=maori+battalion 09:54 mason http://metservice.com/national/warnings/index 09:54 * chris goes to catch a taxi home 09:54 eiro oohhh ... we have our first sunny days of summer here! a shiny blue sky 09:55 mason heh, lets swap! 09:56 eiro no way mason! we just leave a very cold winter :-> 09:56 mason and i setup a macbook with ubuntu last week, very happy 09:56 mason alt-tab switching is very snappy with default ubuntu 09:57 mason faster than iterm+snow-lep switching anyhoo.. 09:58 eiro ohhh ... i have to reinstall soon! i'm still under jaunty and it's borring to maintain my own debian packages for perl 09:58 mason wow, so old 09:59 mason ubuntu seems to get better every release 09:59 mason but i digress... 10:00 eiro yup ... btw i really would like to have the time to test another distrib. I really don't like the way ubuntu goes on. nixos and archlinux seems to be awesome 10:00 mason hmm, dont? 10:01 mason actually, the ubuntu/kubuntu thing i just discovered! 10:01 mason meaning i didnt release the difference was gnome/kde 10:02 mason btw, i have not seen nixos or arch, ill try to have a look... 10:05 eiro well ... archlinux tries a KISS approach the debian derrivatives begun to loose 10:07 mason yeah, 10:07 mason as a desktop goes, i dont even wanna *have to* choose between ubuntu or kubuntu 10:08 mason :) 10:08 eiro :-) 10:09 mason package up a good working dev-stack, and ill use it 10:09 mason i also want to use what everyone is using too, so if i get stuck i can ask for help :) 10:15 eiro well ... it's our production system and we did lot of stuff on debian. it's the only one reason 10:20 chris back 10:36 cait the new hlt catalog and website look nice 10:40 chris thanks, katipo did the design work, catalyst did the koha upgrade 11:36 gmcharlt good morning 11:37 jdavidb Hello, #koha. 11:39 chris morning jdavidb, jwagner and gmcharlt 11:40 chris http://www.library.org.nz/cgi-bin/koha/opac-search.pl?q=maori+battalion (2nd load of the page should be faster than the first) 11:40 jwagner morning, all 11:41 cait hi gmcharlt, jwagner and jdavidb 11:41 * jdavidb waves to chris and cait. 11:48 * cait waves back 11:49 cait :) 12:00 gmcharlt nahuel: reminder - please remove the https links from http://lists.koha-community.org/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo 12:11 nahuel gmcharlt, fixed 12:11 gmcharlt nahuel++ 12:15 chris thanks nahuel 12:15 nahuel :) 12:16 owen "Some of the enhancements to Koha currently available only in LibLime's Enterprise Koha include an integrated Zebra search engine" Wha? 12:18 chris heh yeah 12:19 chris someone doesnt quite have his facts right 12:19 owen Not to mention "the official Koha Project release (currently 3.02)" That's what you get for getting all your facts from Liblime.com 12:33 jwagner owen, what link are you looking at? 12:33 owen http://newsbreaks.infotoday.com/NewsBreaks/Harley-From-PTFSLibLime-What-It-Isand-Isnt-67309.asp 12:37 mason Q: whats the historical default z39-server *port* ? is there one? 12:38 nahuel mason, grep z3950 /etc/services 12:38 mason http://bit.ly/cTK4y7 12:38 gmcharlt mason: 210 12:39 mason i was going with 210, ta 12:40 genji wow... ptfs being publically honest.. 12:40 genji as upposed to liblime's tightlip. this is cool. 12:43 chris genji: huh? 12:44 genji liblime, if they released something, would claim things.. 12:44 genji ptfs, is doing the opposite. they are contributing. 12:46 * owen wonders how long it takes for comments to get approved on infotoday.com 12:51 genji 3.0.6, hiding marc fields / subfields, works? 12:52 * owen 's comment will probably be rejected as redundantly nit-picking 12:56 chris heh 13:12 genji hiya... can someone give me the opendns dns server ip numbers? 13:13 genji seems my isp's dns server is down.. so.. the connections i have open... are the only ones im going to get, unless i use ip numbers.. im thinking.. 13:16 bgkriegel genji, http://pastebin.com/iFFY8iqu 13:17 genji can't get pastebin 13:17 bgkriegel sorry 13:17 genji its a new connection with domain name not cached. 13:17 bgkriegel auth1.opendns.com has address 208.69.39.2 13:17 genji thanks.. 13:17 bgkriegel auth2.opendns.com has address 67.215.68.68 13:17 bgkriegel auth3.opendns.com has address 208.69.39.2 13:21 genji no good 13:22 genji anyone got another dns server ip address? 13:22 joerg hi 13:22 joerg is koha a NZ based project? 13:22 joerg or is it just the server? 13:24 genji it was born in nz.. and the original developers still support it. 13:24 genji But, its a worldwide phenomena now. 13:30 bgkriegel genji, 13:30 bgkriegel try 200.16.17.179 13:31 gmcharlt jwagner_meeting: your account (reported by and CC list membership) is now linked up to all of the relevant bugs in the new BZ 13:32 genji hmm. found something odd.. 13:33 genji my router isn't forwarding dns requests anymore... 13:33 genji its not my isp... 13:33 bgkriegel sounds bad 13:33 genji i grabbed my isp's dns... put them into my linux boxes resov.conf.. 13:33 genji it worked... 13:49 gmcharlt owen: could you take a look at koha-tmpl/intranet-tmpl/prog/en/modules/tools/batchMod-del.tmpl 13:49 gmcharlt your patch for 4443 appears to have introduced a structural error in the template logic 13:49 owen Sure 13:50 gmcharlt thanks 13:52 sekjal Are files uploaded to Koha via the GUI encrypted or hashed in any way? 13:53 owen Thanks for the reminder gmcharlt . I saw your note in the bug report but lost track of it in my to-do list 13:53 gmcharlt sekjal: which files? uploaded how? 13:54 sekjal for example, if a library uploaded a CSV of borrower information with plaintext passwords, would that pose a security risk? 13:55 sekjal gmchartl: mostly concerned with borrower import information, but really any file uploaded from a librarian desktop to their Koha server via the GUI 13:59 gmcharlt ah 13:59 gmcharlt the "GUI" wording threw me off 13:59 gmcharlt such files aren't encrypted on the server 13:59 gmcharlt if the library is concerned about transport-layer security 14:00 gmcharlt they could enable SSL for the staff interface 14:00 sekjal thanks, gmcharlt. exactly what I needed to know. 14:16 joerg cool....I have been to NZ last year :) and probably gonna come back for summer in the beginning of next year.... 14:17 joerg anyway has anybody tried that 3.0.x virtualbox image? 14:17 joerg just downloaded it because I thought that should be the easiest way to get an impression of koha.... 14:17 joerg unfortunately it does not boot (grub reports error 18) 14:31 rhcl Hi cait 14:36 libtek Good morning. I've come in today to find my Koha server unresponsive in the browser. I can't bring up the web services at all, yet I can ping and remote in just fine. I've tried restarting apache (sudo apache2ctl restart), but that didn't make any difference. Anyone have any ideas what to try next? 14:36 libtek I just get a "webpage can not be found" error page. 14:37 libtek For both staff and opac. 14:38 owen libtek: And you were able to reach Koha before? 14:41 bgkriegel libtek: can be a dns problem? 14:42 wizzyrea says he can ping, but doesn't say if by name or by number 14:42 wizzyrea anything in the apache logs? 14:44 libtek We are not using a dns for this box. Doing all testing strictly by IP. IP hasn't changed. Where would I find apache logs? Not seeing them in /etc/apache2/ 14:44 bgkriegel no, look on /var/log/apache2 14:45 bgkriegel and on /var/log/koha 14:47 libtek I'm seeing many lines in the error.log for apache that say "[error] [client 10.100.30.72] File does not exist: /htdocs" (72 is my workstation) 14:52 libtek Not seeing anything in the koha error logs since Friday when I was last on. 14:53 wizzyrea it dosn't do anything or it times out with file not found or... 14:53 wizzyrea oh, nm, reading fail 14:53 wizzyrea sudo a2dissite default 14:54 wizzyrea sounds to me like your default site is irritating your koha install 14:58 libtek Hmmm...I thought I disabled my default site. I'll try disabling it again.... 14:58 libtek already disabled 14:59 bgkriegel and your koha site is enabled? look on /etc/apache2/sites-enabled 15:01 libtek yep 15:04 mason apache debugging is a bitch... :/ 15:05 mason sudo apache2ctl -t -D DUMP_VHOSTS 15:06 mason thats the command that helps me find my complex apache-conf errors 15:06 mason and the apache access/error logs files too 15:07 mason helps to reveal fall-thru errors in your apache's vhost blocks 15:08 bgkriegel are things ok to "sudo apache2ctl configtest"? 15:08 pastebot "libtek" at 192.168.15.101 pasted "sudo apache2ctl -t -D DUMP_VHOSTS results" (5 lines) at http://paste.workbuffer.org/15 15:08 mason ahhhh... 15:09 libtek I'm seeing this "NameVitualHost *:80 has no VirtualHosts" 15:09 mason '127.0.1.1:80' should be *:80 etc. 15:10 mason 127.* means that you can only access koha via loopback interface? 15:11 mason you should be using the example koha-httpd.conf files 15:13 mason sounds like you just need to remember what to unbreak 15:15 libtek I'll look at the .conf file... 15:17 mason whatever caused the 127.* mod is prolly when it got broke :) 15:19 mason a 15:19 mason b 15:19 mason c 15:19 mason d 15:19 mason e 15:19 libtek questions is, which do I look at..I'm not sure which copy is the active koha-httpd.conf file. I have 5 that I have found 15:19 mason lol 15:20 mason remove *all* but one ;) 15:20 mason and start with that one... 15:21 libtek any suggestion which one to keep? Where should it be living? 15:21 mason then you def. know which one is active! 15:21 mason lives in /etc/apache/site-enabled 15:21 mason start with just 1 file.. 15:22 jwagner gmcharlt, thanks for the BZ reset 15:23 mason a config error in the other conf files, can cause weird behaviour in your *correct* config file 15:24 libtek not here...I have it in the /build/koha-2.00.06/blib/KOHA_CONF_DIR/, and /build/koha-3.00.06/etc/ folders, (also same folders for ver 3.00.02) and then in /etc/koha 15:24 libtek I am assuming it would be the one in /etc/koha 15:24 mason something your conf file can be OK, its another one thats causing the problem 15:25 libtek I also have a file that came up on the locate /etc/koha/koha-httpd.conf_koha_3_00_02_12. I am wondering if that was created during the upgrade? 15:27 bgkriegel libtek: yes, thats the type of renaming of the upgrade 15:27 mason erm, /etc/apache2/sites-enabled/ is the correct dir 15:28 libtek this file is ringing a bell. I think I had replaced the local address with the actual address of the box. 15:28 bgkriegel may be you need to replace your new koha-httpd.conf with the old one 15:28 mason cp /build/koha-3.00.06/etc/koha-httpd.conf /etc/apache/sites-enabled 15:29 mason apache2ctl restart ;) 15:29 mason oops, /etc/apache2/sites-enabled 15:30 bgkriegel if prefer to link it, ln -s /etc/koha/koha-httpd.con /etc/apache2/sites-available/koha, and then a2ensite koha 15:30 mason im appling the KISS method 15:31 mason appling spelling! :/ 15:31 libtek the only thing in /etc/apache2/sites-enabled is koha. Nothing else. So, I'll put a copy of this file in there, and I'll modify it ensuring the box's address is specifically used, and then restart apache. 15:31 bgkriegel :) 15:33 mason yeah, IP:80 or *:80 should do it 15:38 libtek Can't seem to copy the file to the sites-enabled folder for some reason. 15:38 bgkriegel permissions? 15:39 libtek using sudo. Shouldn't be an issue. Not throwing up an error. 15:42 mason ah, just clicked.. its a koha2 and 3 on one box 15:47 libtek I am back up and running. Thanks guys. That was good to learn. 15:48 mason nice one! ;) 15:51 libtek I have a logistics question I'd like to ask you guys about types and collections, if you have a moment. 15:56 libtek I know that item type is used to define circulation rules (i.e. checkout length and fines,etc). However, I notice that in advanced search, you can filter your search by type. What kinds of types do you use? How do you deal with things like this: You have a type called BOOK that checks out for 28 days, but you have a type called NEW that checks out for 14 days. Do you end up with both of these types in the advanced search? Se 15:56 cait @karma 15:56 munin cait: Highest karma: "gmcharlt" (145), "chris" (132), and "owen" (108). Lowest karma: "<!" (-57), "failed" (-39), and "-" (-25). You (cait) are ranked 26 out of 844. 15:57 libtek Is there anyway to define circulation rules around something other than type? 15:57 jdavidb @karma 15:57 munin jdavidb: Highest karma: "gmcharlt" (145), "chris" (132), and "owen" (108). Lowest karma: "<!" (-57), "failed" (-39), and "-" (-25). You (jdavidb) are ranked 12 out of 844. 15:57 jdavidb 12? wow. 15:57 cait :) 15:57 owen libtek: You can't define circ rules around anything but itemtype, but you can configure collection codes as alternative categories 15:58 owen collection codes don't have any bearing on circulation, but you can set up the opac advanced search to filter on them 16:00 libtek owen: Is this how you do it? I saw that, but it just seemed kinda backwards to set collection codes to be the formats to sort by. 16:01 owen libtek: We have a few broad categories for circulation rules: General, audio-visual, non-circulating 16:01 owen Then we have collection codes to define many genre/audience categories like Adult Fiction, Mystery, Juvenile non-fiction, etc. 16:01 libtek owen?: not to say it is wrong, or that you are backwards ;) 16:02 libtek I see... 16:02 libtek Okay...that gives me something to chew on. Thanks for the input. 16:03 libtek owen: what is the address to your catalog? Do you mind me looking at what you've done? 16:03 owen http://search.myacpl.org 16:03 libtek thanks 16:04 owen Personally I think we've got too many collection codes, but revisiting it is too complicated at the moment 16:07 libtek It's great. Really gives me an idea and direction. Thanks again. 16:17 cait @roulette 16:17 munin *BANG* Hey, who put a blank in here?! 16:17 * munin reloads and spins the chambers. 16:18 jdavidb @roulette 16:18 munin jdavidb: *click* 16:18 cait @roulette 16:18 munin cait: *click* 16:18 jdavidb rats. 16:18 jdavidb @roulette 16:18 munin jdavidb: *click* 16:18 cait @roulette 16:18 munin *BANG* Hey, who put a blank in here?! 16:18 * munin reloads and spins the chambers. 16:18 cait bad day? 16:18 jdavidb less-than-stellar. 16:18 * cait sends some chocolate 16:19 jdavidb thanks. :) 16:22 hdl_laptop jwagner_meeting: not there... 17:44 pianohacker good morning 17:44 jwagner_meeting a pianohacker sighting! We've missed you! 17:45 pianohacker Woah there. Hi jwagner 17:49 jwagner Where have you been, Jesse? 17:50 pianohacker School :P 17:50 joetho Senior in high school? in May? 17:50 pianohacker Just graduated :) 17:50 joetho banquets 17:50 joetho awards assemblies 17:50 joetho pranks 17:51 joetho ditching sixth hour 17:51 pianohacker Ahah, not for this online school hermit. Mainly, they were keeping me busy with, well, schoolwork 17:51 joetho I'm not even close, am I 17:51 joetho getting caught up with three years worth of assignments? 17:52 joetho anyway congratulations. 17:52 jwagner Yes indeed, congrats on the graduation. Where are you headed next? 17:52 pianohacker Thanks. School of Mines, here in colorado 17:52 * jdavidb waves to pianohacker. 17:52 joetho hey my brother in law went there 17:52 pianohacker hi jdavidb 17:52 pianohacker Oh, hey cool 17:53 jwagner I'm somewhat familiar with New Mexico school of mines, but not Colorado's 17:53 joetho no, he divorced my sister after 35 years of marriage. Don't learn that. 17:53 * gmcharlt sneaks around pianohacker and chains him to #koha 17:53 pianohacker haha 17:53 pianohacker gah! 17:53 joetho Preferences interface. 17:53 * jdavidb adds duct tape to gmcharlt's chains, Just In Case. 17:53 pianohacker you'll never take me alive! 17:53 jwagner gmcharlt, you could accomplish the same thing by assigning all the open bug reports to him. 17:54 * joetho says chains come in many flavors 17:54 jwagner chocolate? 17:54 joetho sure 17:54 pianohacker Hey, chocolate works 17:55 owen Hey pianohacker! 17:55 pianohacker Hi owen 18:10 collum owen: just checked infotoday and your and chris' comments were published. 18:12 owen Interesting...the author's response to my comment doesn't seem to have any bearing to what I wrote. 18:13 joetho i noticed that 18:13 collum yep. I noticed that, as well. 18:13 joetho which is odd, considering what he wrote in the first place 18:13 joetho the world is a funny place 18:19 libtek owen: are you available? 18:19 owen Yes 18:19 libtek What version of Koha are you running? 18:20 owen Our library's installation is based on HEAD, but is a few months behind it. Koha reports itself as 3.01.00.061 18:21 libtek HEAD? 18:21 libtek What is that? 18:22 owen It's one of two main branches of Koha development 18:22 libtek ah... 18:22 owen The stable branch results in 3.0.6. HEAD, the unstable branch, will eventually be 3.2 18:22 owen By the way you can check any Koha OPAC's self-reported version number by viewing source on an OPAC page 18:23 owen You'll see this tag near the top: <meta name="generator" content="Koha 3.0100061" /> 18:25 libtek I was trying to figure out why my advanced search screen structure looks different than yours. I'm noticing that I get an extra line on the limit section that says "Limit type to: match any of the folowing:" just below the line that says "Limit to any of the following:" I also get a second version coming from who knows what source when I select "[More options]" at the bottom of the screen. 18:26 libtek I'm going to have to look at the files that structure this page. 18:26 owen What version are you on? 18:26 libtek I see the source info. Thanks for the clue. 18:26 libtek I am on 3.00.06. 18:27 * owen thinks one of these days he'll get a 3.0.x installation running for testing 18:29 libtek /etc 18:29 libtek oops 18:32 pianohacker Heh, at least it wasn't 'Password: ' 18:33 libtek I'm not completely:) 18:33 libtek ug! 18:45 chris morning 18:46 pianohacker morning chris 18:58 rhcl pianohacker: are you the coder of Powerline? 18:59 pianohacker rhcl: Yes I am 18:59 pianohacker Working on at this very moment, in fact 19:00 rhcl ic. Somebody emailed me about it this AM wanting some help and I was wondering about the status of the project. 19:00 pianohacker rhcl: It's been languishing for a while. I've been working on it in my spare time, but there hadn't been much of that 19:01 pianohacker The previous version is pretty stable, but requires a little work to install 19:01 rhcl Yea, so I gathered from your posts. 19:01 pianohacker Heh, yes 19:02 pianohacker rhcl: However, 0.4 is in the works, and has the potential to be awesome 19:15 wizzyrea omg pianohacker! 19:15 * wizzyrea pounces pianohacker with a huge hug 19:18 jwagner That's probably more pleasant than the chains and duct tape that gmcharlt and jdavidb threatened him with.... 19:19 pianohacker Hahaha 19:19 pianohacker Hi wizzy 19:20 gmcharlt jwagner: just different kinds of bonding, is all ;) 19:21 jwagner No bondage now, this is a family show..... 19:21 wizzyrea no duct taping of the pianohacker. 19:21 wizzyrea gmcharlt: o. m. g. that was the funniest thing I've read all day 19:22 * pianohacker smiles uncomfortably 19:38 wizzyrea @wunder 66047 19:38 munin wizzyrea: The current temperature in Lawrence Live-Courtesy of the Khoury's, Lawrence, Kansas is 29.8�C (2:41 PM CDT on May 24, 2010). Conditions: Clear. Humidity: 64%. Dew Point: 22.0�C. Pressure: 29.92 in 1013.1 hPa (Falling). 19:38 wizzyrea bleh. 64% humidity. Could be worse I guess but still icky 19:39 wizzyrea er 19:39 wizzyrea st-icky 19:43 owen @wunder 45701 19:43 munin owen: The current temperature in Ohio University, Athens, Ohio is 26.7�C (3:46 PM EDT on May 24, 2010). Conditions: Scattered Clouds. Humidity: 48%. Dew Point: 15.0�C. Pressure: 29.97 in 1014.8 hPa (Steady). 19:46 chrisdroid Gah its disgusting out there 19:46 wizzyrea our nasty hot weather or your nasty cold weather? 19:47 chrisdroid Ill take the hot, its not cold here just wet 19:48 wizzyrea oh I saw snow and thought it must be cold, but that must be further south 19:48 chrisdroid ps I freaking love my phone 19:48 wizzyrea :D 19:48 chrisdroid Yeah we just get the rain 19:48 cait duct tape? bondage? 19:48 * cait fleeing 19:48 * owen is torn: hates the heat, but likes to be able to send the kids out to play 19:48 chrisdroid Lol 19:49 cait bye all 19:50 chrisdroid Kahu loves the rain, his mum .... not so much 19:53 chrisdroid Hi nengard 19:54 nengard hello droid :) 19:54 chrisdroid Heh 19:54 chrisdroid Milestone is too long 19:56 chrisdroid AndChat is the irc app I'm using it doesn't suck 19:57 nengard yeah i have it too 19:57 chrisdroid Tell you what I hate 19:57 nengard but i can't type on the phone that easily 19:57 nengard ? 19:57 chrisdroid The gmail app top posts 19:57 chrisdroid I hate that 19:57 nengard hehe 19:58 chrisdroid You have a hardware keyboard eh? 19:58 owen Yeah, the iPhone mail app is no better in that regard... it's a pain to compose a decent reply 19:59 nengard chrisdroid, no - touch screen only 19:59 chrisdroid I think ill switch my gmail to imap and use k9 mail 20:00 chrisdroid Ahh the hardware keyboard is why I got the milestone 20:01 chrisdroid Can't irc on the bus otherwise :) 20:02 chrisdroid Ahh bus full of wet ppl, I love winter :S 20:08 mib_i618e8 testing the mibbit widget 20:08 owen Why do people feel the need to do that? 20:08 chrisdroid Ok time to get off 20:08 wizzyrea to make sure it works, apparently 20:08 chrisdroid Cyas in about 5 min 20:08 wizzyrea l8r 20:09 owen Maybe mibbit employs teams of mibbit-testers to crawl the web and test mibbit widgets 20:09 wizzyrea mibbit testers 20:09 wizzyrea surely there is some job at mibbit that has this title 20:10 moodaepo @wunder 56001 20:10 munin moodaepo: The current temperature in South on Monks, Mankato, Minnesota is 35.1�C (3:10 PM CDT on May 24, 2010). Conditions: Mostly Cloudy. Humidity: 37%. Dew Point: 18.0�C. Pressure: 29.85 in 1010.7 hPa (Falling). Wind Advisory in effect until 8 PM CDT this evening... 20:13 owen Ciao #koha 20:13 brendan @wunder 93117 20:13 munin brendan: The current temperature in Northwest Goleta, Goleta, California is 17.1�C (1:12 PM PDT on May 24, 2010). Conditions: Clear. Humidity: 54%. Dew Point: 8.0�C. Pressure: 30.05 in 1017.5 hPa (Falling). 20:16 chris back 20:19 brendan heya chris 20:19 brendan good morning 20:19 chris hey brendan 20:29 pianohacker Hi brendan 20:30 richard hi 20:34 brendan yo pianohacker 20:34 brendan (spelt it right too) 20:34 brendan :) 20:34 brendan heya richard 20:35 richard hi brendan 20:59 mib_mike hi chris 21:00 mib_mike remember that overstuffed /tmp directory I had Friday? 21:01 mib_mike I decided to follow your reboot suggestion on Monday (today) but delete some cgisess files in the mean time. 21:01 chris yup 21:01 chris that tidy anything up? 21:01 mib_mike I couldn't just rm /tmp/* it gave me an error 21:01 mib_mike too many arguments. 21:01 mib_mike I had to write a shell script to delete files 21:01 mib_mike It ran all night. 21:02 mib_mike In fact by Monday morning, it had only deleted half the files. 21:02 chris yeah, theres something seriously wrong there 21:02 mib_mike So I rebooted this morning. It took 4 hours to reboot. 21:02 chris holy crap 21:02 chris i think you have HD issues 21:02 mib_mike It got stuck just after the "mount local file system" stage. 21:02 larsw deleting files can be quite slow, especially if there are a lot of them, or they're very big 21:03 mib_mike I figured it was still deleting files. 21:03 chris is it happier now? 21:03 mib_mike Temp is now empty 21:04 mib_mike I just finished running an index and I'm still getting that "MARC: Bad directory/ Bad offsets in data. Skiping rest" message 21:04 mib_mike the fsck during boot came up clean. 21:05 larsw at least on Debian systems, /tmp does get cleaned up right after local filesystems are mounted, so your assumption about deleting files was probably right 21:06 mib_mike After the fact I decided I would have done better to boot from a cd, and remove, and recreate the /tmp directory. 21:06 mib_mike But who would have guessed? 21:07 pianohacker mib_mike: index meaning rebuild_zebra? 21:07 mib_mike Yes, index, meaning rebuild_zebra 21:08 mib_mike I did a google search on "Marc: Bad Directory" and it pointed me here: http://www.indexdata.com/zebra/dox/html/mod__grs__marc_8c_source.html 21:08 larsw mib_mike, rebooting from cd would not have made removing /tmp any faster, I think 21:08 mib_mike Is this the underlying c code for the zebra indexer? 21:08 pianohacker likely 21:09 pianohacker mib_mike: It looks like you might have a bad MARC buried in your database 21:09 pianohacker Try rebuilding with the -x and -nosanitize parameters 21:09 mib_mike Can you elaborate on those options? 21:10 pianohacker That'll tell it to rebuild using a MARCXML dump, rather than ISO2709. -nosanitize tells it to just dump the saved marcxml, rather than creating it from the MARC record 21:11 mib_mike Aside from maybe getting the indexing to finish, what effect will this have on koha? 21:11 pianohacker Very little 21:12 pianohacker Your rebuilds will be insanely faster 21:12 larsw is there a tool to verify marc records so mib_mike can find the offensive one? 21:13 pianohacker If a bad MARCXML slips into the db, they'll also be insanely broken, but with my library's db created from an import, and some time in koha 2.2 and 3.0, that hasn't happened yet 21:13 pianohacker larsw: There's marclint, but you'd need to narrow it down painstakingly using the marclint tool. 21:13 pianohacker *export tool 21:13 mib_mike chris or someone pointed me to marclint, which takes a bit of scripting to use. 21:14 pianohacker I'm not sure whether it works with batches of records, offhand 21:14 mib_mike what does "insanely broken" mean, in terms of functionality 21:14 pianohacker Just that the rebuilds will fail 21:14 pianohacker If you have cron and mailing set up, it'd send an error email to you 21:14 mib_mike My rebuilds are failing now, so... 21:14 pianohacker So you have little to lose 21:15 mib_mike mail is probably set up to go to the wrong place. 21:15 larsw having a tool to verify at least syntactic correctness of records seems like an obvious thing to build, for someone, someday 21:15 pianohacker If marclint works with batches of records, then you could just run it on sets of records using its range options, and gradually narrow it down 21:16 pianohacker larsw: Yeah. Of course, saying such things will lead to a request for a patch :) 21:16 larsw pianohacker, indeed 21:16 * larsw is hoping that it will lead to someone paying his employer to write the, of course ;-) 21:17 pianohacker well, yeah 21:17 mib_mike If I wanted to write that script, I'd run marclint on the marc field of the biblioitems table? 21:17 pianohacker I think marclint just runs on ISO2709 files 21:18 pianohacker So export from koha, then run it on the exported file 21:18 mib_mike Well, yeah, but if it's going to be a web script... 21:19 mib_mike But the marc field is the one to check, right, not marcxml? 21:19 pianohacker Yes 21:19 mib_mike Great. Thanks again everybody. 21:22 larsw mib_mike, oh, one more thing about /tmp: you should find out what causes the large amount of data there, and fix that, but it might also be practical to run the tmpreaper program (or something similar on non-Debian) to clean up /tmp occasionally 21:24 mib_mike The large number of files in /tmp was caused by setting koha up to use session files rather than a database for session info. 21:24 wizzyrea larsw: it was CGI_SESSx type stuff 21:24 wizzyrea ^^ 21:24 larsw ok 21:24 mib_mike I suppose a warning about running something to clear /tmp periodically if you use session files would be a good thing, but it probably 21:25 mib_mike would have been ignored in this case anyway. 21:25 libtek Anyone running 3.06? 21:26 mib_mike Wow these parameters really do mean a fast rebuild_zebra - I'm already past the point where it used to crash. 21:27 libtek mib_mike: what parameters are you using? 21:28 mib_mike pianohacker just suggested I use -x and -nosanitize 21:29 libtek Is this a rebuild for your crontab or just single use? 21:30 mib_mike I'm doing it manually right now, but my cron job isn't reindexing either, so until I can track down the bad marc, I'll have to switch the cronjob too 21:31 pianohacker mib_mike: If you know exactly when the cronjob started failing (or even close) you can look at the zebraqueue to see which bibs were modified before that 21:31 mib_mike That's a good idea, pianohacker! Thanks again. 21:32 mib_mike By the way, does anybody know if there is any garbage collection in the session database? I'm not going to have the same problem in my mysql in a few months, am I 21:33 libtek to anyone - I'm trying to find out if there is a way to customize the hold slips for triggered holds for just one library, and not globally. Is it possible, or am I just dreaming? 21:33 pianohacker There's a cleanup_database script you can use 21:33 pianohacker libtek: I don't think there's much notice customization per-library at the moment 21:34 brendan pianohacker++ ##I think it's your show today - way to go 21:35 libtek hmmm....maybe I can hack the template to output a certain way based on IP? 21:36 pianohacker libtek: I _think_ the logged in user's branch is sent to the template 21:36 pianohacker You can use a bit of tmpl_if expr here, since it's a hack :) 21:36 mib_mike Just when I thought I was out... they pull me back in. 21:36 pianohacker hehehe 21:36 mib_mike mf_write: isambD error (4) no more space 21:36 mib_mike Adjust the limits in your zebra.cfg 21:37 mib_mike any clue what limits I need to adjust? 21:37 pianohacker mib_mike: Wow, okay, you have a lot of bibs. There's a few places in the zebra-biblios.cfg file in your koha configuration file where it has things like ':4G'; just increase those 21:38 hdl_laptop chris: there ? 21:39 mib_mike pianohacker: Where is zebra.cfg? 21:41 larsw mib_mike, usually in /etc/koha somewhere (might be called zebra-something.cfg) 21:43 bgkriegel mib_mike, look on /etc/koha/zebradb/zebra-biblios.cfg, the lines begining with register and shadow 21:43 mib_mike Thanks, bgkriegle 21:47 mib_mike O.K. I'm about to "re-run using the -s and -d parameters" Do I need any other parameters to start at the merging process? 21:47 pianohacker Ah, you might still want the -x and -nosanitize, but nothing else I can think of 21:47 mib_mike check! 21:50 hdl_laptop mib_mike: you could also use the noshadow.... 21:50 hdl_laptop iirc it is -w 21:51 hdl_laptop check also that you have anough space on your disk 21:51 hdl_laptop (simple 'sanity' check, but quite usefull) 21:54 mib_mike Do I have to restart the zebra daemon after changing zebra-biblios.cfg? 21:56 pianohacker No, don't think so