Time  Nick       Message
23:58 chris      but hand it off to a site then get the result back would be good
23:57 chris      dont want to handle credit cards
23:57 chris      well a gateway to processing sites
23:54 * chris_n  thinks adding a credit card processing module to koha might fit right into this line of thought
23:53 chris_n    lol
23:35 larsw      hah, I like that
23:35 gmcharlt   "Our books or your money!"
23:34 larsw      "All your buck is belong to libs (they wish)"
23:33 chris      :)
23:33 gmcharlt   "Things you must be or else be redirected to librarypolice.com"?
23:33 gmcharlt   "Involuntary Donations"
23:30 chris      :)
23:30 chris      oh you already did
23:30 * chris    will send a follow up email
23:29 chris      heh
23:29 * larsw    was going to suggest "financial instruments and transactions related to customers" but "fees" sounds better
23:29 chris      ohh fees would work
23:29 gmcharlt   how about fees?
23:28 gmcharlt   heh
23:28 chris      how about 'money stuff'
23:28 chris      dang
23:28 gmcharlt   yep
23:28 chris      seriously?
23:28 gmcharlt   in some libraries 'charges' means 'checkouts'
23:28 gmcharlt   chris: one of those things where terminology can overlap
23:24 larsw      it's as if git was invented to make that kind of thing easy
23:23 chris      after all, git revert can undo it :)
23:22 chris      yeah if no one gives a good reason otherwise by monday its done
23:21 larsw      I don't vote for it, since I don't know enough of the context, but on the surface it sounds like an obviously correct thing to do
23:12 * chris_n  votes for ^^
22:45 * chris    sends email to koha-devel
22:43 richard    charges sounds like a better catch-all
22:43 chris      might send an email to the list about it
22:42 chris      because a lot of the time it is not fines at all, but rental charges or some other thing
22:42 chris      i would like to rename that to 'Charges'
22:42 chris      on the borrowers page we have a tab called 'Fines'
22:42 chris      or anyone for that matter
22:41 chris      gmcharlt: you about?
22:34 larsw      heh, so true
22:31 chris      francois at work pointed me to this
22:31 chris      http://www.flickr.com/photos/daniel_solis/4520024767/
22:25 larsw      thanks
22:23 rhcl       rhcl likes larsw's drawing. Makes things clear.
22:10 chris      heh
22:05 * chris_n  gets back in time to see everyone leave :)
21:41 chris      night hdl_laptop
21:41 hdl_laptop good night all
21:37 * brendan  heads out to drive over the mountains on his way home 6000 feet here I come....
21:33 chris      night
21:33 cait       good night #koha!
21:33 cait       :)
21:25 chris      and a new developer to add to the history yay
21:24 chris      i think thats it in a nutshell, which is why im sure ptfs will withdraw it
21:22 larsw      http://files.liw.fi/temp/ptfs-tm-analysis.png -- that's my analysis of the NZ TM situation; sorry about the PNG, but I suck at drawing and a whiteboard is easier than computers
21:13 chris      yeah Metavore DBA Liblime
21:12 gmcharlt   but same effect
21:12 gmcharlt   joetho: Metavore, actually
21:08 chris      no person names appear at all
21:08 joetho     just curious
21:08 chris      it certainly does
21:08 joetho     so the term "liblime" actually appears on the application?
21:07 chris      it was initiated by liblime, subsequently bought by PTFS
21:06 joetho     to clarify- is the NZ trademark application initiated by PTFS, or an individual?
21:06 chris      its never been closed
21:06 cait       perhaps we could make it easier, making sure the door is open
21:06 chris      but the longer it takes, the longer it takes to heal
21:06 chris      im sure the people at ptfs are smart enough to do the right thing eventually
21:05 cait       they = ptfs
21:04 chris      the saddest bit is that it could be fixed in hours
21:04 cait       because there is contribution to the project
21:04 cait       I know its not ok what they do, it just makes me sad
21:04 cait       this situation is terrible :( and when I see jwagner and jdavidb helping out here, sending patches, commenting bugs and all I feel sad to read all the bad talk about ptfs.
21:03 chris      and Koha ditore an albanian (i think) newspaper
21:03 chris      yeah, the main confusion is a japanese pop singer called koharu (shortened to koha a lot)
21:02 larsw      it's good to have a fairly rare name for your project/product, helps with those searches :)
21:02 chris      it tends to find things pretty fast
21:02 larsw      ah
21:02 chris      i have a bunch of google searches, which have the results in rss form
21:01 * larsw    is curious about chris's RSS use now
21:01 cait       a reaction to the committee?
21:01 chris      nothing public cait
21:01 larsw      indradg, "MAN" is a trademark, it's a (British?) company that makes trucks :)
21:00 cait       was there any reaction from ptfs about the trademark?
21:00 larsw      it complicates matters that PTFS is applying for a trademark for the same software that has always existed under the name Koha
21:00 indradg    chris, yeah... its like me trying to tm "man" :P
20:59 chris      but it would be much better for everyone concerned if it never came to that
20:59 chris      if the application is not withdrawn, and it is accepted, then we have 3 months to object, which we will do
20:59 chris      you'd think so indradg
20:58 * indradg  doesn't understands trademarks as good as patents and copyright issues
20:57 indradg    chris, shouldn't then the use of Koha in case of certain ILS known to us, fall under prior art and existing vocab... and not be trademarkable?
20:57 cait       at least I was as fast as chris twice today ;)
20:57 chris      now i have my android phone, ull need to be even faster to beat me :)
20:57 chris      heh
20:57 * gmcharlt doubts that anybody is faster than chris' RSS bots
20:57 larsw      chris is very binary this morning :)
20:57 chris      indradg: no to you ;)
20:57 chris      cait: yes to you
20:56 indradg    cait, lol... ok
20:56 cait       came online to point chris to the German article (but he was faster :) )
20:56 cait       I think for you indradg, but i m really near to sleep
20:55 indradg    chris, that "no" is for me or cait ?
20:55 chris      no
20:55 indradg    chris, a quick question... was Koha a TM of Katipo?
20:53 cait       so its possible but in a specific context?
20:53 cait       ah ok
20:52 chris      (a false belief)
20:52 chris      but TM exist for wine called Koha, Coffee/Tea called Koha, Jewellery called Koha
20:52 cait       fallacy?
20:52 chris      i wish it were true
20:52 chris      you could point out that bit about not being able to trademark the word is a fallacy
20:51 chris      if you wanted to comment
20:51 chris      yeah google translate did an ok job
20:51 cait       its not a lot different from the lwn article
20:51 cait       yes, read it :)
20:49 chris      cait: http://www.pro-linux.de/news/1/15643/auseinandersetzungen-um-koha.html
20:47 richard    hi
20:45 * chris    clocks in from work
20:44 cait       hi
20:20 joetho     (fallible?)
20:15 wizzyrea   just us fallible humans
20:15 gmcharlt   there's no such thing!
20:15 gmcharlt   wait
20:15 gmcharlt   oh
20:15 * gmcharlt kicks self for forgetting to restart the insta-help IRC bot
20:12 wizzyrea   welp, no one's here, I've waited 30 seconds.
20:12 wizzyrea   lol, I always wonder why people do that
20:07 gmcharlt   not in under 60 seconds, evidently
20:00 CGI074     hello folks. looking for SQL for a report for patron item reservation record. anyone have one?
17:36 miguel     both of them
17:35 miguel     yes
17:35 gmcharlt   miguel: do you have a workup of the problem and/or a patch?
17:34 miguel     I've investigated something about Cross Site Scripting security in koha, someone else?
17:29 miguel     hi all
17:17 kmkale     good night all
17:09 wizzyrea   ok, away again
17:06 wizzyrea   here
17:06 wizzyrea   5.10.0
17:05 wizzyrea   note the underline
17:05 kmkale     i think thats where my weird make test problems are comiong from
17:05 wizzyrea   hm. apparently intranet nav isn't following the nav styling
17:05 kmkale     or master for that matter?
17:04 kmkale     anyone has run 3.2 with perl 5.8.8?
17:03 wizzyrea   http://screencast.com/t/ZWVmOTZkNmU
17:03 joetho     actually v.3.01.00.032
17:03 joetho     we are using v. -1.4 or something
17:02 joetho     ahhh
17:02 joetho     3.2 sysprefs
17:02 wizzyrea   new sysprefs editor
17:02 wizzyrea   oh, that's 3.2 joe
17:01 wizzyrea   why aren't all of the appearance prefs on their own tab...
17:01 joetho     opacbaseurl yes, but liz' screencast picture shows that under "appearance" and mine doesnm't
17:01 wizzyrea   but joetho does bring up an interesting issue
17:01 wizzyrea   that will HELP SO MUCH.
17:01 wizzyrea   jwagner re: intranetnav: brilliant, thanks
16:59 joetho     wonder why THAT is
16:59 joetho     wizzyrea, I don't have an opac pref called "appearance"
16:59 schuster   See told you she wasn't herself... wizzyrea - she is controlled by a MAC...
16:58 wizzyrea   I use a mac, it gets pretty close sometimes
16:58 wizzyrea   HAHA ^ agreed
16:57 * jwagner  mutters something about "sometimes I just want my PC to read my mind" :-)
16:57 wizzyrea   ;)
16:57 * wizzyrea mutters something about "sometimes I just want to click to the opac, dangit.
16:56 schuster   or setup your browser to open two windows when it launches one staff one pac.
16:55 wizzyrea   OH. der.
16:55 jwagner    in the IntranetNav syspref, put in a <a href link
16:50 wizzyrea   ?
16:50 wizzyrea   http://screencast.com/t/ODliNjhmN2M
16:50 jwagner    Add it as a staff nav link
16:49 wizzyrea   oh, I just meant a link to the front page of the opac
16:49 jwagner    In the admin group of sysprefs.  If it's filled in, when you're in a staff record display, there should be a link to the OPAC for that record.  I think.
16:48 wizzyrea   opac*
16:48 wizzyrea   no, this is a test server, only 1 opa
16:48 wizzyrea   or maybe I don't know where to look
16:48 wizzyrea   mm not working in current head
16:48 jwagner    But won't work if you have separate OPAC URLs for your various sites.
16:47 wizzyrea   hmm
16:47 jwagner    wizzyrea, filling in the OPACBaseURL syspref makes that happen, I think
16:47 joetho     hardcode it right in there. Make it a default.
16:46 wizzyrea   but that's easy
16:46 wizzyrea   you know what I also want? a link to the OPAC from the staff client.
16:45 jwagner    It has the effect of pushing the logo down in the masthead.  If I take it out in firebug, the logo goes back to its proper place.
16:44 jwagner    Anyone recognize this: <a id="endpage">  _moz-rs-heading="" name="endpage">   </a>
16:44 jwagner    I'm looking at a system which was upgrade from, say August of last year's code to mid-October.  Something has crept into the area where the opacsmallimage goes, and I don't know where it came from.
16:43 jwagner    owen's not on, is he :-(
16:41 wizzyrea   spectacular, I'll report on that thanks
16:41 wizzyrea   I love it
16:40 jwagner    It's insanely complex to set up, but works well once it's in place.
16:40 johnindy   that is awesome!
16:40 wizzyrea   spectacular
16:40 wizzyrea   jwagner++ I was not aware of that
16:40 jwagner    In the works....
16:40 wizzyrea   how did I not know this >.><
16:40 wizzyrea   wait... there's already a bestseller club thing?
16:39 munin      04Bug http://bugs.koha.org/cgi-bin/bugzilla3/show_bug.cgi?id=4245 enhancement, P5, ---, kohaprogrammers@ptfs.com, ASSIGNED, Bestseller's Club and email notifications
16:39 jwagner    wizzyrea, see Bug 4245 -- it's an expansion on Kyle Hall's original bestseller club feature
16:38 wizzyrea   am I talking crazy talk?
16:36 wizzyrea   and those who like an author get first dibs, because they are the heaviest users
16:35 wizzyrea   and all patrons who like that, get a hold, in a randomized order
16:35 wizzyrea   they get a hold placed
16:35 wizzyrea   so when a new title is added by james patterson that is marked "for liking by book clubs"
16:34 Colin      I think theres a weighting element to it as well not just random
16:34 wizzyrea   says "I like james patterson"
16:34 wizzyrea   so a patron logs in
16:34 wizzyrea   koha did?
16:34 wizzyrea   instead of the *library* managing the fan club
16:34 wizzyrea   what if
16:34 wizzyrea   but we had another brilliant idea in kohakansas...
16:34 wizzyrea   lulz
16:34 gmcharlt   who here rules their life by d20? ;)
16:33 chris_n    wizzyrea: does it follow, then, that randomization is the settlement to all arguments? ;-)
16:26 wizzyrea   )
16:26 wizzyrea   (so our sirsi library claims
16:26 wizzyrea   apparently Sirsi already does this
16:26 wizzyrea   and;
16:25 wizzyrea   which sounds to me like an insane programming problem
16:25 wizzyrea   so that it gets mixed up with the other holds
16:25 wizzyrea   and randomize it's priority
16:25 wizzyrea   is some kind of method to denote that a hold is for a book club
16:24 wizzyrea   so the proposal
16:24 wizzyrea   "why should their patrons get MY item first?"
16:24 wizzyrea   this pisses off the other libraries
16:24 wizzyrea   so the first 20 items available go to that library
16:24 wizzyrea   er, title
16:24 wizzyrea   so we have this problem in our consortium: one library has a "fan club" where they put 20 holds on a title for their patrons at the top of a new bestseller list
16:23 wizzyrea   my librarians just came up with a pretty decent idea
16:19 munin      04Bug http://bugs.koha.org/cgi-bin/bugzilla3/show_bug.cgi?id=3399 normal, P2, ---, gmcharlt@gmail.com, REOPENED, Item checked out - marked lost - checked in - switches status to 'lost' & checkout status switches to 'not checked out'
16:19 schuster   I found this bug, but I don't think it is 100% related to my situation. bug 3399
16:19 schuster   hmmm going through problems on my desk - If  you checkout a book - send it to lost, it will still allow you to check that book out to someone else, but leaves it still as lost on the first borrower.
16:08 kmkale     cloning over git.koha-community.org is noticeably faster than over git.koha.org
15:49 jwagner    good news!
15:49 gmcharlt   most likely, yes
15:49 jwagner    So does this now mean that owen's patch is OK too?
15:49 gmcharlt   cool, thanks for confirming
15:48 jwagner    I just updated my 3.2 server and it looks like Syndetics content is now working OK
15:48 jwagner    Hi there.  You left me a message yesterday about Syndetics and the latest head?
15:48 gmcharlt   hi jwagner
15:48 jwagner    gmcharlt, online?
15:36 jcamins    kf++
15:36 jcamins    Hooray!
15:36 kf         ok, time to leave now - bye #koha
15:36 kf         for analytics
15:35 kf         jcamins: I have set up a koha installation for xslt development and can start now to look into the linkings
15:35 kf         jcamins: just thought it would perhaps help you to solve your problem
15:17 jcamins    I guess I need to change my enhancement request to refer to the documentation.
15:16 jcamins    Look at that.
15:16 jcamins    Oh, wait. There's a script called 'stage_biblios_file.pl'
15:14 kf         I think here, but dont know how to use them
15:14 kf         http://spedr.com/efzc
15:13 jcamins    Where are they?
15:13 jcamins    Oh. That would be why it didn't work.
15:13 kf         the scripts for staged marc import
15:13 kf         no not bulkmarcimport
15:12 jcamins    Huh. Clearly I did something wrong, then, because every time I tried bulkmarcimport.pl, it just duplicated the records, or ignored matching records.
15:11 kf         we had a problem, because they give you no error when matching rule does not exist... but this is a problem thats solvable :)
15:11 kf         thats what he told me
15:10 jcamins    And they just... worked?
15:10 kf         jcamins: I asked him, he said it was no problem to use the scripts from command ilne
15:10 jcamins    kf: If at all possible, I would love to find out exactly how. Should I e-mail and ask?
15:08 kf         jcamins: my colleague did it... I just know we do
15:06 jcamins    kf: Really? How?
15:06 kf         jcamins: overlaying records using matching rules
15:06 kf         jcamins: I just saw your bug report - we use staged marc import from command line
15:04 ebegin     Hi all!  Anybody has suggestion for managing ILL?
14:57 vdsmile    i want to mask it and process the search just in the user connected site
14:56 vdsmile    for example in the search module page, I have an input select containing a list of sites availables
14:54 vdsmile    there are many pages in koha where you can choose the site, so i want to do something which catching the user connecting site and propose it for default
14:53 vdsmile    another question
14:53 wajasu     i added a bug for the amazon associate id tag to be used so reverred revenue might be had.
14:51 vdsmile    :)
14:51 wizzyrea   good luck :)
14:51 vdsmile    thnak you
14:51 wizzyrea   sounds good
14:51 vdsmile    i will return back later after reading the doc
14:51 wizzyrea   sure :)
14:50 vdsmile    thx for the uri
14:50 wizzyrea   http://koha-community.org/get-involved/for-developers/ to get started
14:49 wizzyrea   what kind of module for notices?
14:49 vdsmile    thx
14:49 wizzyrea   welcome back
14:49 wizzyrea   ...
14:46 vdsmile    please help
14:46 vdsmile    ?
14:46 vdsmile    anyone have an idea
14:46 vdsmile    now i am working on koha and i want to develop an import module for notices
14:45 vdsmile    hello
14:36 kmkale     I am using git://git.koha-community.org/koha.git
14:35 wizzyrea   must be something in the water
14:35 wizzyrea   jcamins: I broke my git this morning too
14:34 kmkale     YIKES i trashed my kohaclone, did a new git clone and lo and behold sure enough those nasty make test errors are back :(
14:30 jcamins    kmkale: Wow! Definitely Virtual Box. We'll talk to IT about maybe getting an actual computer set up. It's not like we should need a super powerful computer.
14:28 kmkale     jcamins: fyi the max file size I have gotten up to is 50m so far
14:27 jcamins    Yeah, I realized that after asking.
14:24 collum     jcamins:  too early for Chris.  I think it's 2 am in NZ.
14:20 jcamins    chris: Around?
14:09 kmkale     :)
14:08 jcamins    I feel the same way. I don't like the idea that my "hard drive" can be erased by someone sitting down at the unsecured host machine and hitting the delete key.
14:07 kmkale     i dont like virtual machines much and actively try to run things on hardware as much as possible
13:56 jcamins    For good reason (this reminds me: our public catalog has probably crashed again).
13:56 kmkale     i usually throw hardware at it
13:55 kmkale     oh. there you go
13:55 jcamins    Oh well. I'll just file an enhancement request to make this work with bulkmarcimport.pl
13:54 jcamins    Apparently it's not entirely the client. I guess we're back to the usual suspect: Virtual Box (we're running our server in a Virtual Box instance).
13:52 kmkale     :)
13:51 kf         hdl_laptop: it worked, forget my question :)
13:51 kf         it worked
13:51 kf         hah
13:50 jcamins    Not terribly advanced, but I can try and help. At the very least, I can relate to the pain of not having a clue what the documentation means. ;)
13:50 kmkale     all that tell me is that you are a advcanced git user and I can ask for you help on matters git if other kind folks who are helping me gain my feet in #koha aren't around or get tired of my bugging :)
13:48 jcamins    If it makes you feel better, I have the sinking sensation that I may have broken my public repository.
13:48 jcamins    Yay! Fun with git!
13:47 kmkale     I know. mine is pulp already with all this git fun I am having lately :)
13:41 jcamins    :)
13:40 jcamins    Clearly I spent too much time banging my head against a wall, and my brain cells were crushed.
13:40 jcamins    That's a brilliant idea. I think perhaps I'll give that a try.
13:39 kmkale     not sure but you can try copying the file on the server and ruiing firefox on it and upload locally
13:38 jcamins    However, we're using a consumer router/switch for a 30-some node LAN, which might have something to do with it, now that I think about it.
13:37 jcamins    Yes we are.
13:35 kmkale     jcamins:Are you and the server on same LAN
13:34 jcamins    And this seems like a client issue more than a server issue.
13:34 jcamins    kmkale: Eventually I got it to work, but the upload times out whenever the file is more than 4 MB.
13:33 kf         hdl_laptop: I try to install German sys pref editor, I tried French too it worked without problems. I get the same output from translate for German, but translation does not happen, still everythng is english. have you perhaps an idea where the problem could be?
13:33 kmkale     what problems are you facing?
13:33 kmkale     i use ubuntu
13:33 jcamins    (and I want to figure out what works to tell our IT guy)
13:32 jcamins    Do you use a Linux machine or a Mac? I'm suspecting that the problems I was running into may come from my Windows XP/Firefox 3.6 desktop.
13:31 jcamins    Oh, good. I am trying to understand my difficulties with Stage MARC Record for Import, and I remember that it worked fine for you...
13:30 kmkale     jcamins: yes
13:27 kf         hi hdl_laptop
13:26 hdl_laptop hi
13:25 kf         :)
13:25 jcamins    kmkale: Are you around?
13:25 kf         wow
13:20 mirbolt    kf: you are my new favourite person in the whole world :) thanks
13:17 kf         or wrong password
13:17 kf         I had the same error message today, the problem was a typo in my database connection, wrong user name
13:16 mirbolt    hmm, i thought i did all that, i will go and check, thanks
13:15 kf         first you need to create the database and grant all, as you said, then you rund makefile.pl and enter database name, user and password, those must match
13:15 mirbolt    no the web installer didn't start
13:15 kf         did the web installer start?
13:15 mirbolt    from when i did the grant all on the database?
13:13 kf         mirbolt: it looks like you cant access the database - perhaps you have a mistake in dbuser / password / database name
13:12 kmkale     I am using git://git.koha-community.org/koha.git
13:11 mirbolt    hello, i am on a very slow connection, i hope this gets through. i have just installed koha and am getting Access denied for user 'koha'@'localhost' (using password: YES) at /usr/share/koha/lib/C4/Context.pm line 666. when i try to access the opac or the intranet, you anyone tell me something i might have missed?
13:10 kf         kmkale: sorry
13:09 kmkale     any help?
13:08 kmkale     and if I ignore that and do make install, the web installer throws ""MarkIssueReturned" is not exported by the C4::Circulation module""
13:08 kmkale     guyz I am still having the   Error:  "MarkIssueReturned" is not exported by the C4::Circulation module    reported by make test issue inspite of doing a git reset --hard HEAD
13:00 kf         the script seems to write the files, but they are still english, its weird
12:59 kf         hm, ok
12:59 chris_n    I have not, sorry to say
12:59 kf         I cant get sysprefeditor translated :(
12:58 kf         have you installed other languages in your installation?
12:58 chris_n    sounds familiar :)
12:58 kf         just not going as I want it to
12:58 kf         not really
12:58 chris_n    bad day kf?
12:55 kf         :(
12:54 Nate       howdy chris _n
12:54 chris_n    hey Nate
12:50 Nate       good morning all
12:40 kf         fredericd: around?
12:22 kf         is it just the same as for intranet and staff?
12:21 kf         I want to install syspref translation - has someone a link with instructions or some hints for me?
12:11 kmkale     i just see 3 lines between those markers but cant fig out whats wrong
12:10 chris_n    kmkale: ahh.. this is not bad
12:10 * chris_n  looks
12:08 pastebot   "kmkale" at 192.168.15.101 pasted "boraccount.tmpl" (90 lines) at http://paste.workbuffer.org/3
12:06 chris_n    whooo... biometrics aaa for Koha
12:06 chris_n    :'(
12:06 kmkale     whats the emoticon for crying in irc? just assume I wrote it
12:05 chris_n    and I'll see if I can help sort it out for you
12:05 chris_n    paste the file koha-tmpl/intranet-tmpl/prog/en/modules/members/boraccount.tmpl
12:05 chris_n    kmkale: it is not as bad as it sounds
12:05 chris_n    and hold your breath :-)
12:05 chris_n    then 'git rebase --continue'
12:05 chris_n    and 'git add koha-tmpl/intranet-tmpl/prog/en/modules/members/boraccount.tmpl'
12:04 chris_n    save
12:04 chris_n    kmkale: after working that out be sure that the lines with <<<<< and ==== and >>>>> are removed
12:04 kmkale     ouch. and I just learnt to read perl :(
12:04 chris_n    you have to figure out which lines should stay and which should go
12:04 jwagner    morning kf
12:04 kmkale     ok then?
12:03 chris_n    from, even
12:03 chris_n    those lines are the ones form the patch
12:03 kf         morning jwagner
12:03 chris_n    and then >>>>>
12:03 chris_n    then more lines
12:03 chris_n    you will see: =======
12:03 chris_n    kmkale: after some lines
12:02 chris_n    hi gmcharlt
12:02 chris_n    you will see that this marker indicates the start of code that is in the current HEAD
12:02 gmcharlt   good morning
12:02 chris_n    search for '<<<<'
12:02 chris_n    you need to edit koha-tmpl/intranet-tmpl/prog/en/modules/members/boraccount.tmpl
12:00 kmkale     chris_n: i just did a git fetch and git rebase origin/master and this is what I got. Can you please help me understand and resolve this?
12:00 pastebot   "kmkale" at 192.168.15.101 pasted "git woes on rebase origin/master" (25 lines) at http://paste.workbuffer.org/2
11:55 jwagner    Yeah, the wording on the notice triggers page could be improved, if nothing else.
11:54 chris_n    thanks jwagner :)
11:53 * chris_n  seems to remember going down this line of thought once before
11:53 chris_n    the fact that advanced notices appears in the notice triggers section is quite confusing
11:53 jwagner    script is misc/cronjobs/advance_notices.pl
11:53 chris_n    what a messed up section of code :-P
11:52 chris_n    that's my problem
11:52 jwagner    Notice triggers are only for overdues.
11:52 jwagner    Number of days in advance has to be set from the patron's message settings.
11:51 chris_n    ahh
11:51 jwagner    The advance notices shouldn't be set up in the triggers -- they're controlled by the cron job.
11:51 chris_n    yup
11:51 jwagner    In the notice triggers?
11:51 chris_n    yet both are sent on the day the item is due
11:50 chris_n    and the overdue notice with a delay of 1
11:50 chris_n    I have the advanced notice setup with no delay
11:50 jwagner    What's the question?
11:50 * chris_n  cannot seem to get them to work properly
11:50 jwagner    Some do.
11:50 chris_n    how about advanced notices
11:49 jwagner    chris_n, a lot of our sites use notices
11:47 munin      Amit_G: The current temperature in Dehradun, India is 33.0�C (11:30 AM IST on May 06, 2010). Conditions: Haze. Humidity: 35%. Dew Point: 19.0�C. Pressure: 29.61 in 1003 hPa.
11:47 chris_n    jwagner: do you all use notices?
11:47 Amit_G     @wunder Dehradun
11:46 Amit_G     heya chris_n
11:46 chris_n    hi Amit_G and jwagner
11:43 jwagner    Morning/Evening Amit_G
11:43 munin      Amit_G: The current temperature in Bangalore, India is 30.0�C (11:30 AM IST on May 06, 2010). Conditions: Scattered Clouds. Humidity: 51%. Dew Point: 21.0�C.
11:43 Amit_G     @wunder Bangalore
11:43 munin      Amit_G: The current temperature in New Delhi, India is 35.0�C (4:30 PM IST on May 06, 2010). Conditions: Mostly Cloudy. Humidity: 39%. Dew Point: 19.0�C. Pressure: 29.59 in 1002 hPa (Steady).
11:43 Amit_G     @wunder New Delhi
11:42 Amit_G     heya jwagner
11:19 kmkale     you can see it here http://staff.kalibindia.com/
11:18 kmkale     i went ahead and did make install as you said ignore :(
11:18 kmkale     chris: yikes the error is now on webinstall screen
10:37 chris      how weird
10:36 kmkale     git clean -f then git fetch then perl Makefile.PL then make then make test same errors :(
10:32 kmkale     fatal: clean.requireForce not set and -n or -f not given; refusing to clean ??
10:31 kmkale     ok git clean and then git fetch?
10:31 chris      try a git clean
10:30 kmkale     buut on this fresh git pull I am getting these errors consistently
10:30 kmkale     chris make test does not throw it on my laptop where I just did a git fetch
10:30 chris_n    g'morning
10:27 chris      :)
10:27 chris      and why is joetho awake before ive gone to sleep
10:26 chris      both prove and make test don't throw that error for me
10:26 kmkale     :(
10:26 chris      i think ignore it
10:26 chris      right, so im not sure what is up with your make test
10:25 kmkale     chris: prove says result pass
10:23 kmkale     hi amit
10:23 kmkale     thank magnus
10:22 Amit_G     heya kmkale
10:20 magnus     kmkale: chris replied re MarkIssueReturned while you were away: http://stats.workbuffer.org/irclog/koha/2010-05-06#i_435480
10:20 joetho     Oh I have got it to work before, but my current project is a little complex.
10:19 kmkale     work well
10:19 kmkale     joetho I have converted 550000 books with the delimited translator wizard
10:19 joetho     the column headings are converted to marc tags
10:18 joetho     this marcedit feature converts a txt or csv file to marc.
10:18 joetho     that requires the marcedit "delimited translator" feature, and I have had some problems with that
10:16 kmkale     but never used unimarc
10:16 kmkale     i know marcedit pretty well
10:16 magnus     sorry, i'm not familiar with marcedit, but i think so. anyone else know?
10:10 Irinie     ok. could I do the migration of data from excel file to unimarc using marcedit
10:09 magnus     Irinie: i think they both work just as well, there is a large number of french libraries using it
10:08 Irinie     I just want to know if Unimarc have any bugs or problem with koha
10:07 Irinie     I'm librarian from Egypt
10:07 magnus     Irinie: depends on who and where you are, i think...
10:06 Irinie     Please, I want to know : "Which format it better with koha : Marc21 or Unimarc"
10:04 Irinie     Goodmorning
09:54 chris      yeah ditto
09:51 magnus     chris: i just did the whole upgrade process on my installation of HEAD (where i just "git pull" in new changes), and did not see any warnings from make test about MarkIssueReturned
09:49 magnus     way to go, kf ;-)
09:47 kf         importing records into my own development installation - yay :)
09:45 magnus     :-)
09:44 chris      heh i should pay more attention
09:43 magnus     chris: kmkale left, said he'd back in an hour
09:35 chris      it should run the tests
09:32 chris      prove
09:32 chris      can you type
09:32 chris      in the base of your git clone
09:31 * chris    will check the code
09:30 chris      you can probably safely ignore that test result
09:30 magnus     kmkale: hm, i'm out of ideas then... :-(
09:29 kmkale     back in an hour or so
09:27 kmkale     magnus: line 86 looks exactly same in my local C4/Circulation.pm as it does in the link above
09:24 kmkale     magnus: i just did a git fetch and rebase again and re ran through the routine starting with make clean till make test again same errors
09:21 magnus     could you have a look at your actual C4/Circulation.pm and see if looks the same?
09:21 magnus     kmkale, i'm a bit out of my depth here, but in the newest version of C4/Circulation it certainly *looks* like MarkIssueReturned is exported: http://git.koha-community.org/gitweb/?p=koha.git;a=blob;f=C4/Circulation.pm;hb=HEAD line 86
09:13 pastebot   "kmkale" at 192.168.15.101 pasted "Koha fresh git down and dev install make test fails with "MarkIssueReturned" is not exported by the C4::xxx module" (307 lines) at http://paste.workbuffer.org/1
09:11 magnus     kmkale: i'm not sure i can help you, but maybe others can - please do
09:07 kmkale     should I paste the errors somewhere like paste buffer?
09:06 CGI575     oky. I try it to know if it's work, thnak you
09:06 magnus     kmkale: sounds like a bug to me
09:05 magnus     sorry that should of course be koha-conf.xml
09:01 magnus     and there is some config in koha-config.xml too
09:00 kf         there is no export option, but you could perhaps reuse your database in another install
09:00 kf         the configuration is in the database
08:58 CGI575     somebody know how it's possible to export configuration and use it, to install koha under another computer ?
08:58 kmkale     any ideas?
08:57 kmkale     On a fresh git downloaded dev install I am getting number of errors during make test. "Error:  "MarkIssueReturned" is not exported by the C4::Circulation module" this is repeated for many modules
08:55 CGI575     thank KF. sorry
08:47 magnus     CGI575: "le salon francophone est accessible sur le serveur irc.freenode.org, salon #koha-fr" http://koha-fr.org/taxonomy/term/2 ;-)
08:44 kf         CGI575: not all people here understand french (me included) perhaps you want to ask in the french channel or repeat your question in english
08:40 CGI575     Bonjour, est ce que qqun sait s'il est possible de dupliquer la configuration d'une install Kaho pour la réinstaller sur une autre machine ?
07:40 magnus     g'day #koha
07:28 kmkale     in the label creator add items how do I get barcodes listed serially? when I select barcode from the drop down I get only 1. I tried adding a * or a % at the end of the barcode string but that does not work
07:23 kf         ;)
07:23 Ropuch^_   Guten Tag, kf [;
07:23 kf         hi Ropuch
07:22 Ropuch^_   Hi chris
07:21 chris      hi Ropuch^_
07:21 Ropuch^_   Morning #koha
07:18 kf         hi kmkale
07:17 kmkale     good morning kf
07:16 kf         good morning chris and #koha
07:12 kmkale     chris: thanks
07:11 chris      hi kf
07:10 chris      he will probably be around in about 4 hours kmkale
07:08 munin      kmkale: chris_n was last seen in #koha 5 hours, 1 minute, and 3 seconds ago: <chris_n> g'night
07:08 kmkale     @seen chris_n
07:00 brendan    night
06:41 kmkale     good afternoon everybody :)
06:07 robin      I hope so :)
06:07 brendan    that will be really usefully
06:06 brendan    robin++ that looks great
05:19 robin      It's still a work-in-progress though, but the important functions work, and MARCXML comes out the other end.
05:19 robin      http://paste.ubuntu.com/428752/ <-- if anyone is interested, these are the docs for the tool I'm working on. Its aim is to help smaller migrations (i.e. those that have been using a spreadsheet or simple database.)
04:52 larsw      but "manageabley big" is good enough for me now :)
04:52 larsw      it'd be nice be able to guesstimate the size, given, say, number of patrons and items
04:52 chris      heh
04:50 robin      larsw: about this big: [................] (not to scale:)
04:33 larsw      how big do Koha databases get?
04:33 robin      hello
04:33 Amit_G     heya robin
04:32 robin      yay, I now have a working-but-basic csv-to-MARC-XML converter that doesn't require weird windows programs.
03:34 brendan    heya Amit_G
03:33 Amit_G     heya brendan, chris
02:07 chris      night chris_n
02:07 chris_n    g'night
01:58 chris_n    hehe, it worked on me too :)
01:56 chris      then its working as intended
01:56 chris      so if some ppl subscribe (i just did)
01:55 chris      Almost anywhere. Private mail, messages to project mailing lists, and weblog entries are all appropriate. As long as people do not use subscriber links as a way to defeat our attempts to gain subscribers, we are happy to see them shared.
01:55 chris      Where is it appropriate to post a subscriber link?
01:55 chris      http://lwn.net/op/FAQ.lwn#slinks
01:55 joetho     are you sure?
01:55 chris      they dont mind sharing it
01:55 chris      turns out i was wrong
01:51 joetho     well anyway.
01:50 joetho     then realized it was a subscription link
01:50 robin      LWN is OK with that sort of sharing
01:50 joetho     the link I got was a twitter feed, which I posted here,
01:50 robin      joetho: not necessary :)
01:50 joetho     do that, please?
01:49 joetho     deleting from the log would probably be a good idea
01:46 chris_n    so should be ok
01:46 chris_n    Almost anywhere. Private mail, messages to project mailing lists, and weblog entries are all appropriate
01:45 chris_n    Where is it appropriate to post a subscriber link?
01:45 larsw      time
01:45 larsw      doing things Right takes more
01:45 larsw      it's why they haven't grown to a global media conglomeration... yet
01:45 chris_n    yup
01:45 robin      that's a nice policy they have
01:44 chris      ill leave it
01:44 chris      cool
01:44 larsw      so they should be fine with that
01:44 larsw      "As long as people do not use subscriber links as a way to defeat our attempts to gain subscribers, we are happy to see them shared. "
01:44 larsw      http://lwn.net/op/FAQ.lwn#slinks
01:44 larsw      sharing with individuals is definitely fine
01:43 chris      sharing it with individuals seems fine
01:43 chris_n    ahh, did not think of that
01:43 larsw      I forget what lwn's actual stated policy on that is
01:43 * chris    will remove from the log
01:43 chris      in a google crawled log page
01:43 chris      not to the world
01:43 chris_n    so it sounds like a link intended to be shared imho
01:43 chris_n    says right on the page: "The following subscription-only content has been made available to you by an LWN subscriber. Thousands of subscribers depend on LWN for the best news from the Linux and free software communities. If you enjoy this article, please consider accepting the trial offer on the right. Thank you for visiting LWN.net! "
01:42 chris      not fair to lwn
01:42 chris      from the  logs
01:42 chris      i think ill kill the logged in one
01:42 larsw      I only noticed https://lwn.net/Articles/386284/
01:42 larsw      ah
01:42 robin      that's why
01:42 robin      He posted two LWN links
01:42 larsw      hmm
01:42 chris      it seems to work without a login for me
01:41 chris      ahh thats aill rignt then ;)
01:41 larsw      the lwn link? the one joetho gave requires you to be logged in to see the page
01:41 chris      thats someones paid for subscription, and it would be nice to lwn, who just wrote that good article if didnt do that
01:41 chris      its probably nicer not to share that link
01:34 chris_n    thanks for the link joetho
00:49 joetho     a better link, but you have to subscribe to lwn.net:  https://lwn.net/Articles/386284/
00:47 joetho     ^ ^ ^ but there are a few typos: remove the leading 1 and 0 from "100%"
00:46 joetho     http://lists.katipo.co.nz/public/koha/2009-September/020204.html
00:41 joetho     "...What caused the major split between the Koha community and LibLime was the company's decision to keep its fork private and not give back. It promised to do so, but instead withdrew from the Koha community altogether...."
00:07 chris      i dont have time to write much of anything im afraid
00:07 chris      you can take the blog post
00:03 nengard    so if we're talking 2 weeks, then maybe you should write up something for the newsletter ;)  or I can take your blog post
00:03 nengard    we need a week long freeze?