Time  Nick          Message
22:57 * richard     waves at mason from wellington
22:55 * mason       waves from kapiti
22:13 munin         moodaepo: The current temperature in South on Monks, Mankato, Minnesota is 12.2�C (5:12 PM CDT on April 07, 2010). Conditions: Clear. Humidity: 28%. Dew Point: -6.0�C. Pressure: 29.84 in 1010.4 hPa (Rising).
22:13 moodaepo      @wunder 56001
21:55 munin         brendan: The current temperature in ASOS_HFM SANTA BARBARA, CA, Santa Barbara, California is 25.0�C (2:35 PM PDT on April 07, 2010). Conditions: Clear. Humidity: 18%. Dew Point: -1.0�C. Pressure: 30.09 in 1018.8 hPa (Falling).
21:55 brendan       @wunder 93117
21:27 magnus        good night, #koha
21:25 chris         cool :)
21:22 brendan       made it back home :)
21:22 brendan       hi chris
21:12 chris         hi brendan
21:04 chris         night cait
21:02 cait          ok, time to go to bed - good night #koha
21:00 cait          I dont see, whats wrong with those
21:00 cait          att 1045    Record-control-number
21:00 cait          rcn Record-control-number
21:00 cait          Record-control-number 1=1045
20:58 larsw         chris, http://autonomo.us/ :)
20:57 chris         dang
20:57 cait          http://10.0.0.2:8080/cgi-bin/koha/opac-search.pl?q=rcn:006869769 results in error 404 :(
20:57 chris         i like autonomous
20:56 chris         ohh thanks larsw
20:56 larsw         autonomous, unhindered
20:56 chris         one thats not from a janis joplin song
20:56 rhcl_away     happily divorced
20:56 rhcl_away     divorced
20:56 rhcl_away     unemployed
20:56 rhcl_away     laid off
20:56 rhcl_away     fired
20:55 chris         i need a synonym for freedom
20:53 cait          hm, still not working
20:51 cait          hmpf
20:45 chris         that makes 109
20:44 cait          ah typo :)
20:43 chris         4 new committers
20:43 gmcharlt      yep
20:43 chris         gmcharlt: alex arnaud too
20:42 cait          ok, I can find the records with $w now in any, but not with my index rcn: or Record-control-number:
20:36 cait          thx :)
20:36 chris         good luck cait
20:35 * chris_n     heads home
20:35 chris_n       enough of DBIx::Class for one day :P
20:33 cait          ok, all files changed - testing now
20:33 richard       hey chris
20:33 chris         back
20:23 richard       hi
19:50 chris         ok bus time
19:48 cait          gmcharlt: thx!
19:48 cait          chris: thank you!
19:48 gmcharlt      cait: no, that's it
19:48 chris         cait: http://idioms.thefreedictionary.com/rest+on+laurels
19:47 cait          gmcharlt: is there mroe than changing record.abs, bib1.att and properties.ccl and reindex?
19:47 chris         ie we shouldnt think the job is done
19:46 gmcharlt      chris: I think so
19:46 chris         shouldnt become complacent
19:46 cait          what does it mean?
19:46 chris         its to do with laurel wreaths isnt it gmcharlt ?
19:46 chris         its an old saying cait, (but laurel is also my wife's name)
19:46 gmcharlt      doh - I walked right into that
19:45 cait          resting on our laurels?
19:45 chris         yeah, last time i sat on laurel i got a punch
19:45 gmcharlt      chris: agreed.  not that we should be resting on our laurels regarding that, of course
19:45 cait          but I still need a lot of time for small things :(
19:45 chris         yay!
19:44 cait          I plan to submit everything as soon as possible, perhaps some smaller patches and enhancements
19:44 chris         gmcharlt: im really happy how many female developers we have .. its nowhere near 50% but its way better than most projects
19:44 cait          ah ok
19:44 gmcharlt      cait: if it's something to submit, you'll have to change both versions
19:43 cait          hm, but how do i make my patch when i change files in koha-dev?
19:43 chris         ahh awesome
19:43 gmcharlt      cait: the koha-dev one is the one that is actually used by the Zebra process
19:43 cait          now not sure where to change it - koha-dev is not in git, but it seems koha uses koha-dev and not files under kohaclone?
19:43 gmcharlt      Cindy Ames
19:42 chris         who was the other one?
19:42 cait          I wonder because /etc/zebradb exists in directory kohaclone (git) and koha-dev
19:42 chris         oh cool, i saw the 2 catalysters (donovan and srdjan)
19:42 gmcharlt      chris: I think there are three new committers for history.txt today
19:41 cait          i want to add a new index to zebra
19:41 cait          perhaps you can help me?
19:41 chris         heya cait
19:41 cait          hi chris
19:41 chris         gmcharlt: thanks for all the pushing, thats a ton of patches :)
17:29 mib_umdivv    ?
17:14 mib_umdivv    or anything of that sort?
17:14 mib_umdivv    does anyone know of a Koha Copy Cataloging Cheat Sheet, Checklist, Guide, Tutorial
17:13 Ropuch        Hi
17:13 mib_umdivv    hi all
16:57 tomascohen    paul_p: thanks!
16:50 ricardo       Bye all!
16:47 paul_p        tomascohen, it's deprecated. You should put rebuild_zebra.pl -z in the crontab
16:46 tomascohen    i was wondering if is koha-zebraqueue-daemon needed?
16:46 tomascohen    hi everyone
16:39 sjeffery      Can anyone link to an example record showing the issues of a periodical held by a library in Koha? Having the darndest time tracking an example down.
16:27 munin         indradg_: The current temperature in Kolkata, India is 30.0�C (9:50 PM IST on April 07, 2010). Conditions: Haze. Humidity: 79%. Dew Point: 26.0�C. Pressure: 29.86 in 1011 hPa (Steady).
16:27 indradg_      @wunder kolkata
16:21 cait          :)
16:21 jdavidb       hi, cait! :)
16:21 Nouman        hi
16:21 jwagner       hi cait
16:20 cait          hi #koha
16:05 moodaepo      jcamins: my yes was for another window sorry : (
16:03 munin         jdavidb: The current temperature in Langley Fork Park, McLean, Virginia is 31.6�C (11:28 AM EDT on April 07, 2010). Conditions: Clear. Humidity: 26%. Dew Point: 10.0�C. Pressure: 29.81 in 1009.4 hPa (Falling).
16:03 jdavidb       @wunder 20817
16:03 munin         chris_n: The current temperature in Dunn, North Carolina is 27.7�C (11:49 AM EDT on April 07, 2010). Conditions: Clear. Humidity: 12%. Dew Point: -4.0�C. Pressure: 29.65 in 1003.9 hPa (Steady).
16:03 chris_n       @wunder 28334
16:01 jcamins       Really? How do you do it? I tried creating a separate file, and adding it to zebra-biblios.cfg, and it doesn't seem to recognize my new attributes.
16:00 moodaepo      yes
15:59 jcamins       Does anyone here happen to know how to make zebra recognize additional attributes, without modifying bib1.att?
15:35 jdavidb       I've seen them (meaning, I have them in my inbox, and know they are there) but have not had minutes enough to rub together to *do* anything with them.  I haven't forgotten; am just thoroughly buried.
15:34 munin         04Bug http://bugs.koha.org/cgi-bin/bugzilla3/show_bug.cgi?id=3482 enhancement, PATCH-Sent, ---, kohaprogrammers@ptfs.com, NEW, Print overdue and hold notices for patrons without email addresses
15:34 gmcharlt      just wondering if you have any comments on the three-patch series for bug 3482 that hdl_laptop sent on 3/17
15:33 jdavidb       present, more or les.
15:33 gmcharlt      jdavidb: about?
15:25 ricardo       ... but the function that contains that line is called from several places (so, I think a trace would be nice)
15:25 ricardo       I have a development question: is there a way to have a "stack trace" displayed somewhere (screen, log...) for a function call in Koha? I'm having, for some authority searches, a Crash ("Can't call method "fields" on an undefined value at /koha/koha30xclone/C4/AuthoritiesMarc.pm line 890.")  and I would like to debug this...
15:23 ricardo       Hi everyone
14:57 ftherese      forget about it
14:57 ftherese      I guess I'll just let it go
14:50 ftherese      it just looks like that deals with only a few of the files
14:50 ftherese      upon reading the documentation
14:49 ftherese      do I need to give it the translate -p update?
14:48 paul_p        grrrr... should do
14:48 ftherese      on /cgi-bin/koha/installer/install.pl
14:48 ftherese      but it won't show the fr-FR in the menu
14:48 ftherese      and refreshing the browser
14:47 ftherese      reloading it
14:47 ftherese      right... I tried restarting apache2
14:47 paul_p        ok, so it exist. so it's translated.
14:47 ftherese      sorry munin
14:46 munin         ftherese: Error: "paul_p" is not a valid command.
14:46 ftherese      @paul_p
14:46 ftherese      columns.def  css  includes  js  lib  modules  xslt
14:46 ftherese      it includes these files:
14:46 paul_p        ftherese, pls check you've a directory $KOHA/koha-tmpl/intranet-tmpl/prog/fr-FR ?
14:28 ftherese      why won't the setup page let me select another language?!?
14:27 ftherese      ... frustration
14:23 ftherese      after running translate install fr-FR
14:23 ftherese      so... why won't it let me select fr-FR from the setup menu?
14:23 paul_p        (but it must be fr-FR)
14:23 paul_p        ftherese, so, you must have french setup & don't need to do anything with sysprefs
14:22 ftherese      j'ai besoin de l'unimarc
14:22 ftherese      I haven't installed the system yet
14:21 paul_p        ftherese, fr-FR, and pls activate it in sysprefs / i18n tab
14:21 chris_n       this would avoid *many* warns in comparisons
14:21 chris_n       it seems that in all of our code-style deliberations we should consider "requiring" the initialization of all vars when they are first defined
14:19 jcamins       Does anyone know if there is an idiot's guide to creating custom indexes in Zebra?
14:18 jcamins       Good morning, #koha
14:15 ftherese      should it have been named just "fr" instead of "fr-FR"?
14:10 ftherese      paul_p: I installed the fr-FR translation, which looked like it worked, but I still have only en as an option
13:59 ftherese      and at line 131
13:58 ftherese      Use of uninitialized value $pref_name in concatenation (.) or string at LangInstaller.pm line 173.
13:58 ftherese      paul_p only one error... hope it isn't serious
13:57 kf            bye #koha :)
13:55 cm            i don't remember exactly why we settled on storing records as marcxml, but i think it had to do with migrating our records from dev_week to koha3
13:55 cm            owen:  you can either store your records as marc or marcxml, and choose to use one or the other with rebuild_zebra.pl
13:52 paul_p        ftherese, yep
13:52 ftherese      perl that is
13:52 ftherese      paul_p: so I need to do something like ./translate install fr-FR?
13:52 owen          Okay, that's new to me. What is the difference between indexing as xml and the standard?
13:51 cm            we're indexing as xml
13:51 munin         04Bug 3326: normal, P5, ---, gmcharlt@gmail.com, NEW, xml entity refs display incorrectly in results page if exported and indexed as xml
13:51 cm            owen:  i think the ampersand issue has something to do with this bug:  http://bugs.koha.org/cgi-bin/bugzilla3/show_bug.cgi?id=3326
13:50 chris_n       snap
13:50 owen          Oh here it is: http://www.librarytechnology.org/ltg-displaytext.pl?RC=14685
13:50 magnus        owen: yeah, probably
13:50 owen          magnus: Perhaps a library that had been in negotiations with LibLime for a while?
13:49 * magnus      wonders why anyone would choose LLEK at this time...
13:49 owen          chris_n: Where?
13:49 owen          Exactly.
13:48 cm            yeah, i think the sysprefs were changed to separate the xslt templates for the opac & intranet (they were both using the same template at one time), and now the ability is there to have it, but the template doesn't exist.
13:47 * chris_n     notes another migration to closed-source LLEK
13:46 kf            XSLTResultsDisplay Show biblio records on result page in the staff client - I set it on using xslt stylesheet but not sure it changed anything
13:46 cm            the opac search results did the same thing; i submitted a patch that fixed it, though it was probably kind of a hack.
13:46 owen          cm: I don't think I've seen that
13:45 cm            where they show up as "&"
13:45 kf            xslt stylesheet
13:45 kf            Im not sure, but perhaps you could already add a xslt template for search results in 3.2, I think there is a sysprf
13:44 owen          What problem with ampersands?
13:44 owen          There is some work in progress which should improve display of subtitles.
13:43 cm            thanks.  i think the search results page is where i'm missing them the most, though.  there are a couple issues that i think would be easier to fix in xslt, like adding subtitles and the problem with ampersands.
13:43 kf            cm: I tested them, detail works fine
13:41 owen          cm: They are in the latest version, at least for the detail page. Not for the search results page.
13:40 cm            do you know if anyone's planning on adding xslt templates for the staff interface?  iirc, they're not in 3.2 yet.
13:39 cm            hi owen!
13:39 owen          Hi cm
13:27 ftherese1     I had more success here in the past
13:27 ftherese1     that's why I came here ;)
13:26 paul_p        ftherese1, and we have a french channel (very quiet...) on freenode, #koha-fr
13:26 ftherese1     je m'y met
13:26 ftherese1     alors... thanks
13:25 paul_p        look in misc/translator directory
13:25 ftherese1     salut paul_p
13:25 paul_p        ftherese1, you're right, git doesn't include localized koha. But it includes the translations & the tool to generate them
13:25 paul_p        bonjour ftherese
13:24 ftherese1     + how do I add it?
13:23 ftherese1     hello... why do you suppose git doesn't supply the french install stuff?
12:50 kf            gmcharlt: I tried to describe what our program does, just ask if its not clear what I meant
12:48 gmcharlt      kf: thanks
12:48 kf            gmcharlt: just send you another mail with the sample data from yesterday converted for import into koha
12:46 Ropuch        Maybe there's a way to have reminders send to list automagically by callendar app on koha-community ;>
12:45 Ropuch        ;>
12:44 jwagner       At least you remembered that there WAS a meeting, unlike some of us :-)
12:42 hilongo       I guess I'm a little late for the meeting
12:42 hilongo       good morning everyone :)
12:42 kf            I think it should be possible to deactivate some of those warnings
12:38 jwagner       trickery++
12:37 nengard       have tricked the system by editing the db directly - not good practice but i need to get this image :)
12:37 owen          Will someone be sending out an official notice of the next Koha General meeting date and time?
12:35 * jwagner     speculates, sheer perversity?
12:34 owen          Koha has NEVER before blocked a checkout because a patron had overdues. I don't know why it should start now.
12:34 * chris_n     also offers regrets for missing the meeting this morning
12:32 kf            this patron has overdoes, still want to check out another book? y/n
12:32 nengard       grrr - okay
12:32 kf            I think the yellow box should be something like
12:32 kf            you cant check out to a patron with an overdue book right now
12:31 nengard       well when i specify to make the due date a diff date it still won't check out
12:30 kf            yes
12:30 nengard       kf meaning today is the day the item is due?
12:29 kf            nengard: I was testing notices and fines and this bug forced me to change all my test cases :(
12:29 kf            nengard: it should at least be overdue
12:28 kf            nengard: it blocks because its the day the item is due I think... which makes no sense
12:24 nengard       and if the system thought there was a reason wouldn't it be in the log ... well maybe not if it's not an error - just a reason ... grrr
12:23 nengard       if the patron has at least one item overdue (which I need) then i can't check out
12:23 nengard       tried lots of combos
12:23 nengard       did that
12:22 jwagner       Try a different patron/item?
12:22 nengard       jwagner - from the meeting minutes
12:22 nengard       but the system does think there is a reason .... so how do i find that reason so i can get the darn thing to let me check out so i can get the screenshots I need??? :)
12:22 jwagner       ?
12:21 * owen        likes the "patch of the month" suggestion
12:21 kf            bad bug
12:21 jwagner       Basically, the system thinks there's a reason not to allow checkout/renewal, but the screen doesn't know what the reason is so it displays the empty box.
12:21 kf            yes
12:21 jwagner       I think there are a couple of other related bugs, this was the one that came up in the search.
12:20 nengard       grrr
12:20 nengard       ick - that's a big issue
12:20 * owen        shakes his fist at Bug 4036
12:19 munin         04Bug http://bugs.koha.org/cgi-bin/bugzilla3/show_bug.cgi?id=4036 blocker, P5, ---, kyle.m.hall@gmail.com, ASSIGNED, Two conditions missing from circ template messages: USERBLOCKEDOVERDUE  and USERBLOCKEDREMAINING
12:19 jwagner       nengard, see Bug 4036
12:19 nengard       i'm having a problem that makes no sense - i can't seem to check out an item to a patron with an overdue item - i don't get a message pop up - just an empty yellow box and there are no errors in the log file ... but i have no preferences set that should stop me from checking the item out .... ideas?
12:18 jwagner       There was a meeting?
12:17 * owen        reading the meeting log, offering regrets for being absent
12:16 hdl_laptop    juan|away: no time for that at the moment but quite interested.
11:52 juan          were are going to commit a new development, our Fines in days module, which has differences with the one that will be included in new version of Koha
11:50 juan          one question. Anybody could review or test our development about Mail in Koha?
11:29 Genji         night all.
11:29 Genji         me too. sleep callith.
11:28 hdl_laptop    thanks
11:26 mason         thanks again galen
11:25 tajoli        is ok
11:25 tajoli        sorry 19:00 UTC+0 on 5 May
11:25 Colin         sweet dreams of successful tests
11:25 * thd         needs to sleep shortly
11:25 tajoli        for me 9:00 UTC+0 on 5 May is ok
11:25 thd           good night chris
11:24 * chris       goes to sleep
11:24 gmcharlt      ok, thanks all
11:23 * mason       waves at irma
11:23 IrmaCalyx     Irma from CALYX - sooo sorry I am late - Hi all :-)
11:23 hdl_laptop    ok for me
11:21 chris         but yeah, have a look in the t dir
11:21 chris         the directory structure where the tests live
11:20 thd           chris: what is not true?
11:19 chris         gmcharlt: works for me
11:19 chris         actually most of it is true
11:19 chris         thats not quite true anymore, but its a good start
11:18 gmcharlt      19:00 UTC+0 on 5 May?
11:18 magnus        chris: nice, hadn't seen that
11:18 gmcharlt      ok, then I think we're ready for the final agenda item, setting the time of the next meeting
11:18 chris         http://wiki.koha.org/doku.php?id=en:development:unit_testing
11:17 chris         kf: its actually not too hard, its easier if you do the test first, then write the code so that it passes
11:17 Ropuch        :)
11:17 kf            magnus++ :)
11:17 magnus        a little howto on tests, or a pointer to some good ones, would be appreciated then :-)
11:17 kf            how difficult is it to write test cases?
11:16 chris         :)
11:16 chris         or at least 80%
11:16 chris         we need that about 88% higher
11:15 chris         its about 12%
11:15 chris         he has been testing test coverage of koha
11:15 chris         larsw will be pestering us all about that
11:15 gmcharlt      did I say it was a good idea?
11:15 chris         :)
11:15 gmcharlt      good idea
11:15 gmcharlt      really, really, really
11:15 gmcharlt      adding test cases is a really, really, really, really
11:15 gmcharlt      and if the changes involving more than just textual formats
11:14 collum        ok
11:14 gmcharlt      i.e., what chris said
11:14 gmcharlt      collum: yes, but with caveats
11:14 chris         only if you do it an separate patch
11:14 collum        If we are working on a file that has code that does not conform to the standards, should we refactor?
11:13 gmcharlt      2. we'll add a standing agenda item to discuss specific changes to the coding guidelines
11:13 gmcharlt      1. we'll wait nengard's tutorial (you mean you aren't done yet? ;)
11:13 gmcharlt      to sum up
11:13 gmcharlt      ok
11:13 gmcharlt      and hopefully soon a small army of module maintainers and bug wranglers
11:12 Genji         Back in the long distant past of koha, there was CVS... everyone committed patches to it... and features and some libraries just used a cvs dump to run..if a bad patch or feature went in, and a library dled and ran with the cvs... but now we have Git, RM's and QA's... fantastic.
11:12 gmcharlt      chris: worth trying
11:12 thd           chris++
11:12 chris         patches of the month :)
11:12 chris         to use as examples
11:11 thd           Do as is stated not as one sees.
11:11 chris         maybe we (you and I) could pick a good patch or 2 each month
11:11 thd           That is the greatest problem
11:11 chris         yup
11:11 Colin         what might help is some good examples (the codebase does not always supply them)
11:11 kf            I think im one of the beginners who will need help to make patches better
11:10 kf            tutorials would help here
11:10 Colin         plus if we fix them all we continue to get rogue patches
11:10 chris         *nod*
11:10 gmcharlt      or who is clearly eager but needs guidance on coding
11:09 gmcharlt      I give more leeway to somebody who is a new contributor
11:09 gmcharlt      Genji: generally, yes
11:09 chris         yep, we have been quite lenient about that in the past, but with the volume of patches now, the RM can no longer fix them
11:09 Genji         its not the RM or QA's responsibility to make a patch conform to guidelines,  even if the patch is great and successful, if it doesn't conform, back it goes to the patcher?
11:09 thd           Held over with gentle encouragement for the kittens I presume
11:08 gmcharlt      it will be held over until any problems are fixed
11:08 gmcharlt      and it is quite possible that we'll have to get to the point that if you are an active contributor and submit a patch that doesn't follow the guidelines
11:08 chris         as does QA
11:07 gmcharlt      but ultimately, coding guidelines are driving by everybody who is submitting patches, with the caveat that the RM has discretion about rejecting patches that just don't work or don't follow the guidelines
11:06 gmcharlt      nengard: I don't want to put you off - I agree that a tutorial is a good thing, and I agree that there is a real need for better editorial work and organization on the wiki
11:05 chris         lots of people can't make the meetings
11:05 chris         sounds like a plan to me, and i think that any ideas should be added to that wiki page and talked about on koha-devel too
11:05 gmcharlt      but limit it to just 2 or 3 gudineline items a month
11:05 hdl_laptop    gmcharlt++
11:05 gmcharlt      i.e., not to make it completely open
11:05 gmcharlt      I further propose that specific points of change be added to that agenda item each month
11:04 gmcharlt      to make it easier to manage (i.e., to not have it turn into discussions that are not concreate enought to act on)
11:04 gmcharlt      well, there's clearly a desire, so I propose that we go ahead and set up the standing agenda item I mentioned
11:03 chris         http://wiki.koha.org/doku.php?id=en:development:codingguidelines#pod
11:03 chris         yep, thats in the guidelines already
11:03 tajoli        guidelines
11:03 thd           I may be heading for a time crash lasting a few weeks but I will persevere
11:03 tajoli        And guidelene to write perldoc comment inside them
11:02 chris         http://wiki.koha.org/doku.php?id=en:development:codingguidelines
11:02 thd           I would be willing to contribute to that as well as documenting some arcana with which I am especially familiar.
11:02 tajoli        About automatic estraction of info in C4:: ?
11:02 gmcharlt      we can do that
11:02 gmcharlt      if we want to do some like making discussing the coding guidliness a stnading agenda item for the general IRC meetings
11:01 chris         the coding guidelines on the wiki are a good start
11:01 gmcharlt      hdl_laptop: nothing stopping anybody from doing it whenever
11:01 nengard       thd is it still there? someone could take that and update it - or lots of someones
11:01 gmcharlt      which is not to say that the final result couldn't benefit from editorial cleanup, which you could contribute to, nicole
11:01 hdl_laptop    But when should we start talking about that ?
11:01 chris         i agree
11:01 hdl_laptop    gmcharlt: ok.
11:01 thd           nengard: we once had a now out of date document about the coding standards in kohadocs.org
11:00 gmcharlt      either on koha-devel or on the wiki
11:00 nengard       no offense taken - but i don't see anyone who should be writing it jumping in :)
11:00 gmcharlt      normative dev standards *must* be *openly* discussed by *all* active developers
11:00 Genji         An idea, is to create a wikibook?
11:00 gmcharlt      but, no offense, you are not the one to write the latter
11:00 tajoli        For me is clear that I need to coordinate SQL docs with this effort
11:00 nengard       and in both cases i couldn't do it alone
11:00 nengard       well i think we need both
10:59 thd           nengard: Whereof one does not know one can ask and cajole.
10:59 gmcharlt      nengard: I think the main issue is that I was concerned whether you were right a tutorial or (as I think some others may have been wanting) normative documentation that sets development standards and policies
10:59 nengard       the problem is i can't write it alone - cause i don't know what i don't know :)
10:58 * Genji       nods. "Can always ask first, then if that fails, xml it.'
10:58 nengard       gmcharlt my goal was to get something written to make people new to koha and possibly to programming to feel more comfortable jumping in ... but i don't think i made that clear and so i have no clue where we are with developer docs since so many people had opinions :)
10:58 tajoli        Hi [tajoli = Zeno Tajoli , CILEA], for developer documentation I think that my offer about MySQL is under this topic
10:58 chris         i have xml of all the bugs, if that doesnt pan out tho .. it would be much nicer to get the db of course
10:57 chris         it is a possibility
10:57 Genji         with PTFS acquiring liblime, its possible that you could get bugzilla's actual database, chris?
10:57 * kf          = Katrin Fischer, BSZ
10:56 gmcharlt      next agenda item is developer documentation
10:56 gmcharlt      ok, moving on
10:56 gmcharlt      chris: cool
10:56 chris         (we have the ok to host it, just need to make it happen but the urgency came off a little bit, but the plan is still to move it afaik)
10:56 * nengard     = Nicole Engard (who is late)
10:55 * chris       makes sure to follow that up with the sysadmins tomorrow
10:55 chris         kf: yes, catalyst will probably be hosting it
10:55 mason         ok, i thought so...
10:54 chris         yep, you can change the default assignees easily that way
10:54 mason         can that re-assigning be done easily using the web-gui?
10:54 kf            will bugzilla move to koha-community.org too?
10:53 chris         ah yes
10:51 gmcharlt      I think main thing hanging over is updating the bug assignees
10:51 gmcharlt      ok, moving on to follow-up from action items from previous meeting
10:51 chris         nor me
10:50 mason         none from me
10:49 hdl_laptop    any questions ?
10:48 thd           Thanks for the clarification
10:48 hdl_laptop    yes.
10:47 hdl_laptop    to take file patchs and urls instead of being hradcoded.
10:47 gmcharlt      which were not forward-compatible with work being done in 3.2
10:47 hdl_laptop    change on xslt preferences.
10:47 thd           hdl_laptop: In what way are xsltfiles a problem?
10:46 hdl_laptop    as soon as those two problems can be coped with
10:46 chris         cool
10:46 hdl_laptop    Yes.
10:46 chris         you are still planning a 3.0.6 release?
10:45 hdl_laptop    I also have to care about some reserves isssues that were reported on the koha-fr channel
10:44 hdl_laptop    But the branch is stable enough
10:43 chris         ill drop him an email first thing in the morning when im more coherent
10:43 hdl_laptop    3.0.x still has one problem I have to cope with : xsltfiles.
10:43 chris         will do
10:43 gmcharlt      chris, why don't you see if cfouts will help you set up the new branch and permissions
10:43 gmcharlt      right
10:43 chris         or, shift git
10:43 chris         so we will need cfouts help with that
10:42 * chris       tests .. nope i cant push a new branch
10:42 gmcharlt      hdl_laptop: good morning - let's move on to the 3.0.x update
10:42 gmcharlt      chris: starting to
10:42 chris         you just pushed a bunch now gmcharlt ?
10:40 hdl_laptop    here
10:40 chris         i think so
10:40 kf            hi, sorry for being late
10:40 gmcharlt      was it brendan who offerred to host git.k-c.org?
10:39 gmcharlt      chris: sounds good
10:39 chris         i think ill make a new_features branch and then when we branch 3.2.x for maintenance merge that back into master .. i think thats easiest
10:37 chris         Colin: and any that look like new features that i could pull that would be most excellent
10:37 Colin         gmcharlt: ok
10:36 chris         but we will need to give fredericd permission to push up po files
10:36 gmcharlt      Colin: if you would start QM work now and do a patch testing and signoffs for 3.2 and give me pullable chunks of testable patches, that would be a good thing
10:36 chris         i have permission to push, for 3.0.x anyway
10:35 chris         yup
10:35 gmcharlt      either way, we'll either new help getting gitosis perms worked out on git.koha.org or get git.koha-community.org up
10:35 chris         whatever is easier for you
10:34 chris         im easy either way, one big merge at the end or smaller ones along the way
10:34 gmcharlt      althernative is a future branch that gets merged into master when we split off 3.2 for maintenance
10:33 gmcharlt      chris: a 3.2 branch with new stuff going into master is fine, though you'll need to merge often over the next few weeks if we do it that way
10:33 gmcharlt      Colin: about 150 bugfixes patches, and more features patches, some of which are masquerading as bugfixes
10:31 chris         a 3.4 branch ... or a 3.2 branch and the features go into master?
10:31 Colin         gmcharlt: How big is the backlog?
10:30 gmcharlt      and if chris doesn't mind, I think we're in a position where a 3.4 branch should be started soon to accept the new features that keep coming in
10:29 mason         = Mason James, KohaAloha. NZ
10:29 mason         oops, running late...
10:29 gmcharlt      re 3.2 - I'm working on the backlog of patches that have been submitted - will be pushing the bugfixes with aim of getting a 3.2 alpha 2 out the door in a couple weeks
10:28 gmcharlt      - Agree times of next meetings.
10:28 gmcharlt      - Developer documentation
10:28 gmcharlt      - Follow-up on actions from [[meetingnotes10mar03]].
10:28 gmcharlt      - Update on [[:en:development:roadmap3.0]].
10:28 gmcharlt      - Update on [[:en:development:roadmap3.2]].
10:28 gmcharlt      agenda is
10:28 gmcharlt      small, intimate meeting, I see :)
10:26 Colin         Colin Campbell PTFS-Europe
10:25 chilts        Andy Chilton, Catalyst IT
10:25 * Genji       = Waylon Robertson, mandumah.com edusearch devel, 33rd contributor, Palmerston North, New Zealand.
10:25 magnus        Magnus Enger, Libriotech, Norway
10:25 collum        Garry Collum, Kenton County Public Library
10:24 thd           Thomas Dukleth, Agogme, New York City
10:24 * chris       = Chris Cormack, TM, Catalyst
10:24 thd           Thomas Dukleth, Aggme, New York City
10:24 * Ropuch      = Piotr Wejman, Biblioteka CSNE
10:24 * gmcharlt    = Galen Charlton, RM, Equinox
10:23 gmcharlt      round of intros
10:23 gmcharlt      let's get this meeting started
10:23 gmcharlt      belatedly
10:23 gmcharlt      so ....
10:23 gmcharlt      so maybe he'll jump in
10:23 gmcharlt      I saw hdl_laptop was here 1.5 hours ago
10:23 thd           paul_p: are you present?
10:23 chris         i think so
10:22 thd           we may be missing informed content about the state of 3.0
10:22 gmcharlt      well, do we have a quorum to get started now?
10:21 thd           7 is less manageable for me
10:21 Genji         so, whos meeting chair?
10:20 chris         yeah 7 is more managable
10:20 chris         there ya go
10:20 thd           6.20 AM in Florida
10:20 gmcharlt      good morning - sorry, thought 10:00 UTC+0 would be 07:00 EDT
10:19 chris         its what 5.20am or something?
10:19 Ropuch        ;>
10:19 chris         i suspect the time of this meeting is pretty bad for non insomniacs (like thd :))
10:18 Genji         anyway, im here. Hiya chris.
10:18 chris         just not a reminder sent out yesterday
10:18 chris         and posted on the koha-community.org site and the wiki
10:17 chris         and they were both announced (the community handover meeting this morning and this one)
10:17 Genji         ah... hmm.. okay.
10:17 chris         that was the meetng this morning genji
10:17 Genji         "All koha subcommitteee members were contacted to discuss whether any point in us meeting: answer no. Chris, Galen et al are all equally up with the play as I am." from joann
10:16 Genji         first i knew of this meeting, is the committee saying that the entire committee says its unnecessary to attend this meeting? no progress has occured on koha.org
10:13 thd           This should be a lesson to us in the absence of reminders people will forget.
10:13 thd           I have been making many reminders and reminding others about reminders.
10:12 chris         no
10:12 thd           Was there no reminder for this meeting?
10:12 chris         yep we need gmcharlt to talk to that point to
10:12 thd           http://old.nabble.com/wiki.koha-community.org-td27799812.html
10:11 * thd         hunts for the link
10:10 thd           I could propose a topic if of discussion if no one is yet present to cover important agenda items
10:09 chris         if people want to, i have nothing to talk about
10:07 thd           chris: are you starting the meeting for the presently assembled?
10:07 thd           hdl_laptop: ping
10:06 chris         hdl_laptop was here earlier
10:05 thd           Do we have anyone to cover 3.0?
10:05 chris         we could cover the other items on the agenda, and anything else people want to talk about as well
10:04 chris         but we probably need gmcharlt if it is to be useful, at least for the 3.2 bit
10:04 magnus        me 2
10:04 Colin         I'm here
10:04 Ropuch        Me too
10:04 chris         i am
10:03 thd           who is here?
10:02 thd           who is conducting the meeting?
10:00 Genji         huh... christmas island is ahead of new zealand...
10:00 kf            bbl
09:59 kf            oh :( will miss most of it I think
09:58 Genji         yes, i believe, in 2 minutes time?
09:58 thd           not me
09:58 kf            oh, today is meeting?
09:56 Genji         whos actually awake?
09:36 Genji         cool.
09:35 magnus        Genji: yup http://wiki.koha.org/doku.php?id=en:events:meetings:irc_meetings:meetingnotes10apr07
09:35 Genji         Theres a community meeting of some sort today?
09:34 Genji         Guess it never has.
09:34 Genji         Yes.... my GenjiScreen has been continuously lurking, waiting to be the first connection, if the server ever goes down..
09:33 thd           Genji: and no one seems to have permissions to set a topic :)
09:31 Genji         Hmm.....  theres  a distinct lack of Topic:
09:30 Genji         hiya all!
09:29 chris         according to my calculations
09:29 magnus        goody
09:29 chris         yup
09:28 magnus        the meeting is in half an hour, right?
09:21 thd           fredericd: are you present?
09:14 kf            hi miguel
09:14 chris         hi miguel
09:14 miguel        hi all
09:13 chris         cool, she speaks german
09:13 kf            yes
09:13 chris         i have a friend from nz who now lives in fribourg
09:12 chris         you will be speaking in german eh?
09:11 chris         very cool
09:11 kf            yes :)
09:10 chris         in zurich?
09:10 kf            http://www.ub.uni-dortmund.de/inetbib2010/
09:10 chris         kf: ohh cool
09:09 * chris       wishes he could go, hdl_laptop say hi to bruno and arnaud from me
09:09 kf            I will give a talk on koha next week
09:08 chris         kf: its worth going just to see that library :)
09:07 hdl_laptop    yes
09:07 chris         hdl_laptop: is it at the SAN OP library ?
09:07 hdl_laptop    chris Yes.
09:07 chris         hdl_laptop: you should put that up on koha-community.org
09:07 kf            I regret that I took Russian in school and not French :(
09:06 hdl_laptop    http://docmiop.wordpress.com/symposium-koha/
09:06 hdl_laptop    I think so
09:06 kf            hdl_laptop: and thx for the offer!
09:05 kf            hm but will be in french?
09:05 kf            hdl_laptop: I hope I have time to work on it today after work, will write you an email if zebra stays stubborn
09:05 hdl_laptop    btw there should be a symposium about Koha in France by the end of May
09:04 hdl_laptop    you can have some clues using zebraidx -S
09:04 hdl_laptop    What you tested
09:04 hdl_laptop    What you want
09:04 hdl_laptop    what you did
09:04 hdl_laptop    can you describe that in details in an email. So that we can spare time.
09:02 kf            hdl_laptop: I have a problem with zebra and adding new indexes and chris recommended you as zebra guru. but the problem is on my laptop at home, so you are save :)
09:00 kf            hi hdl_laptop
09:00 kf            :)
08:56 chris         there he is :)
08:55 hdl_laptop    hi chris
08:54 chris         ahhh hdl_laptop is a guru with that
08:49 kf            will need some help later with zebra :( I tried adding a new index for record control numbers (used for linking bibs to each other in $w)
08:47 kf            chris: no problem :)
08:46 chris         kf: thanks for that
08:37 munin         Amit_G: The current temperature in Dehradun, India is 33.0�C (11:30 AM IST on April 07, 2010). Conditions: Haze. Humidity: 15%. Dew Point: 9.0�C. Pressure: 29.74 in 1007 hPa.
08:37 Amit_G        @wunder Dehradun
08:37 munin         kf: The current temperature in Taegerwilen, Germany is 8.4�C (10:30 AM CEST on April 07, 2010). Conditions: Clear. Humidity: 69%. Dew Point: 3.0�C. Windchill: 8.0�C. Pressure: 30.14 in 1020.5 hPa (Steady).
08:37 kf            @wunder Konstanz
08:37 kf            hi Amit_g
08:37 munin         magnus: The current temperature in Bodo, Norway is 6.0�C (10:20 AM CEST on April 07, 2010). Conditions: Mostly Cloudy. Humidity: 61%. Dew Point: -1.0�C. Windchill: 1.0�C. Pressure: 30.01 in 1016 hPa (Falling).
08:37 magnus        @wunder bodo, norway
08:37 munin         Amit_G: The current temperature in New Delhi, India is 37.0�C (1:30 PM IST on April 07, 2010). Conditions: Unknown. Humidity: 10%. Dew Point: 0.0�C. Pressure: 29.86 in 1011 hPa (Steady).
08:37 Amit_G        @wunder New Delhi
08:37 munin         Amit_G: The current temperature in Bangalore, India is 32.0�C (11:30 AM IST on April 07, 2010). Conditions: Scattered Clouds. Humidity: 20%. Dew Point: 12.0�C.
08:37 Amit_G        @wunder Bangalore
08:36 munin         Amit_G: Error: "wounder" is not a valid command.
08:36 Amit_G        @wounder Bangalore
08:36 Amit_G        heya kf
08:36 kf            ok, done
08:35 chris         that works :-)
08:32 kf            not sure how to attach it, I will add a link to the mailing list archive
08:31 kf            ah ok
08:30 chris         yeah i applied it locally then ran the update on the german files
08:30 kf            hi Ropuch
08:30 kf            chris: do you want me to attach it? I was not sure it was what you did before updating pootle
08:28 kf            ok
08:27 Ropuch        Hi kf, chris
08:27 chris         but yeah would be good to attach it
08:26 chris         yep, not sure it has been pushed yet
08:25 kf            chris: there was some confusion (ebegin asked about the bug on irc), because no patch attached - I saw that hdl wrote a patch (http://spedr.com/2lwnl)
08:17 chris         cool
08:16 munin         04Bug http://bugs.koha.org/cgi-bin/bugzilla3/show_bug.cgi?id=4208 critical, P1, ---, chris@bigballofwax.co.nz, NEW, Many submit buttons are not translatable in 3.2
08:16 kf            chris: bug 4208
08:14 kf            chris: I tested the po files from pootle yesterday, so far I found no untranslated buttons :)
08:13 kf            hi chris and paul_p
08:11 chris         hiya paul_p
08:11 paul_p        hello chris & kf & al
08:02 chris         4am
08:01 chris         i think its the middle of the night in the US
07:54 kf            jwagner: around?
07:15 kf            good morning #koha
06:48 magnus        hi Amit_G
06:48 Amit_G        heya Ropuch, magnus
06:13 magnus        good morning, #koha!
06:12 Ropuch        Morning #koha
05:47 kohamongol    hello
05:47 ineedhelpkoha I really really need help
05:46 ineedhelpkoha is there anyone who knows about koha,
05:46 kohamongol    sds
05:46 ineedhelpkoha hi, everybody
05:41 kohamongol    hi, everybody
05:41 kohamongol    hi, alll
03:34 Amit_G        hi brendan, chris
03:33 brendan       hi Amit_G
03:29 chris         heya mason
03:29 brendan       mason++
03:29 brendan       heya mason
03:28 * mason       waves at brendan/chris
03:28 chris         :)
03:28 brendan       spelling is failing me
03:27 brendan       I think we should right a letter of recommendation from koha-community
03:27 chris         the fools
03:27 brendan       last I heard MIT was a no :(
03:27 chris         i hope MIT
03:26 brendan       I wonder where he's going to uni next year
03:26 brendan       I miss pisnohacker
03:26 chris         yeah havent seen him for ages
03:24 munin         brendan: pianohacker was last seen in #koha 2 weeks, 6 days, 8 hours, 13 minutes, and 57 seconds ago: <pianohacker> that's all :)
03:24 brendan       @seen pianohacker
01:51 brendan       hiya chris_n
01:43 munin         chris_n: The current temperature in Dunn, North Carolina is 23.5�C (9:44 PM EDT on April 06, 2010). Conditions: Clear. Humidity: 18%. Dew Point: -2.0�C. Pressure: 29.62 in 1002.9 hPa (Steady).
01:43 chris_n       @wunder 28334
01:34 munin         brendan: The current temperature in Third Avenue Park, West Haven, Connecticut is 13.8�C (9:09 PM EDT on April 06, 2010). Conditions: Clear. Humidity: 81%. Dew Point: 11.0�C. Pressure: 29.81 in 1009.4 hPa (Rising).
01:34 brendan       @wunder 06516
01:33 munin         brendan: The current temperature in ASOS_HFM SANTA BARBARA, CA, Santa Barbara, California is 17.2�C (6:20 PM PDT on April 06, 2010). Conditions: Clear. Humidity: 36%. Dew Point: 2.0�C. Pressure: 30.08 in 1018.5 hPa (Falling).
01:33 brendan       @wunder 93117
00:13 chris         curry yet? :)
00:12 chilts        hiya :)
00:11 chris         hey chilts