Time Nick Message 00:11 chris hey chilts 00:12 chilts hiya :) 00:13 chris curry yet? :) 01:33 brendan @wunder 93117 01:33 munin brendan: The current temperature in ASOS_HFM SANTA BARBARA, CA, Santa Barbara, California is 17.2�C (6:20 PM PDT on April 06, 2010). Conditions: Clear. Humidity: 36%. Dew Point: 2.0�C. Pressure: 30.08 in 1018.5 hPa (Falling). 01:34 brendan @wunder 06516 01:34 munin brendan: The current temperature in Third Avenue Park, West Haven, Connecticut is 13.8�C (9:09 PM EDT on April 06, 2010). Conditions: Clear. Humidity: 81%. Dew Point: 11.0�C. Pressure: 29.81 in 1009.4 hPa (Rising). 01:43 chris_n @wunder 28334 01:43 munin chris_n: The current temperature in Dunn, North Carolina is 23.5�C (9:44 PM EDT on April 06, 2010). Conditions: Clear. Humidity: 18%. Dew Point: -2.0�C. Pressure: 29.62 in 1002.9 hPa (Steady). 01:51 brendan hiya chris_n 03:24 brendan @seen pianohacker 03:24 munin brendan: pianohacker was last seen in #koha 2 weeks, 6 days, 8 hours, 13 minutes, and 57 seconds ago: <pianohacker> that's all :) 03:26 chris yeah havent seen him for ages 03:26 brendan I miss pisnohacker 03:26 brendan I wonder where he's going to uni next year 03:27 chris i hope MIT 03:27 brendan last I heard MIT was a no :( 03:27 chris the fools 03:27 brendan I think we should right a letter of recommendation from koha-community 03:28 brendan spelling is failing me 03:28 chris :) 03:28 * mason waves at brendan/chris 03:29 brendan heya mason 03:29 brendan mason++ 03:29 chris heya mason 03:33 brendan hi Amit_G 03:34 Amit_G hi brendan, chris 05:41 kohamongol hi, alll 05:41 kohamongol hi, everybody 05:46 ineedhelpkoha hi, everybody 05:46 kohamongol sds 05:46 ineedhelpkoha is there anyone who knows about koha, 05:47 ineedhelpkoha I really really need help 05:47 kohamongol hello 06:12 Ropuch Morning #koha 06:13 magnus good morning, #koha! 06:48 Amit_G heya Ropuch, magnus 06:48 magnus hi Amit_G 07:15 kf good morning #koha 07:54 kf jwagner: around? 08:01 chris i think its the middle of the night in the US 08:02 chris 4am 08:11 paul_p hello chris & kf & al 08:11 chris hiya paul_p 08:13 kf hi chris and paul_p 08:14 kf chris: I tested the po files from pootle yesterday, so far I found no untranslated buttons :) 08:16 kf chris: bug 4208 08:16 munin 04Bug http://bugs.koha.org/cgi-bin/bugzilla3/show_bug.cgi?id=4208 critical, P1, ---, chris@bigballofwax.co.nz, NEW, Many submit buttons are not translatable in 3.2 08:17 chris cool 08:25 kf chris: there was some confusion (ebegin asked about the bug on irc), because no patch attached - I saw that hdl wrote a patch (http://spedr.com/2lwnl) 08:26 chris yep, not sure it has been pushed yet 08:27 chris but yeah would be good to attach it 08:27 Ropuch Hi kf, chris 08:28 kf ok 08:30 kf chris: do you want me to attach it? I was not sure it was what you did before updating pootle 08:30 kf hi Ropuch 08:30 chris yeah i applied it locally then ran the update on the german files 08:31 kf ah ok 08:32 kf not sure how to attach it, I will add a link to the mailing list archive 08:35 chris that works :-) 08:36 kf ok, done 08:36 Amit_G heya kf 08:36 Amit_G @wounder Bangalore 08:36 munin Amit_G: Error: "wounder" is not a valid command. 08:37 Amit_G @wunder Bangalore 08:37 munin Amit_G: The current temperature in Bangalore, India is 32.0�C (11:30 AM IST on April 07, 2010). Conditions: Scattered Clouds. Humidity: 20%. Dew Point: 12.0�C. 08:37 Amit_G @wunder New Delhi 08:37 munin Amit_G: The current temperature in New Delhi, India is 37.0�C (1:30 PM IST on April 07, 2010). Conditions: Unknown. Humidity: 10%. Dew Point: 0.0�C. Pressure: 29.86 in 1011 hPa (Steady). 08:37 magnus @wunder bodo, norway 08:37 munin magnus: The current temperature in Bodo, Norway is 6.0�C (10:20 AM CEST on April 07, 2010). Conditions: Mostly Cloudy. Humidity: 61%. Dew Point: -1.0�C. Windchill: 1.0�C. Pressure: 30.01 in 1016 hPa (Falling). 08:37 kf hi Amit_g 08:37 kf @wunder Konstanz 08:37 munin kf: The current temperature in Taegerwilen, Germany is 8.4�C (10:30 AM CEST on April 07, 2010). Conditions: Clear. Humidity: 69%. Dew Point: 3.0�C. Windchill: 8.0�C. Pressure: 30.14 in 1020.5 hPa (Steady). 08:37 Amit_G @wunder Dehradun 08:37 munin Amit_G: The current temperature in Dehradun, India is 33.0�C (11:30 AM IST on April 07, 2010). Conditions: Haze. Humidity: 15%. Dew Point: 9.0�C. Pressure: 29.74 in 1007 hPa. 08:46 chris kf: thanks for that 08:47 kf chris: no problem :) 08:49 kf will need some help later with zebra :( I tried adding a new index for record control numbers (used for linking bibs to each other in $w) 08:54 chris ahhh hdl_laptop is a guru with that 08:55 hdl_laptop hi chris 08:56 chris there he is :) 09:00 kf :) 09:00 kf hi hdl_laptop 09:02 kf hdl_laptop: I have a problem with zebra and adding new indexes and chris recommended you as zebra guru. but the problem is on my laptop at home, so you are save :) 09:04 hdl_laptop can you describe that in details in an email. So that we can spare time. 09:04 hdl_laptop what you did 09:04 hdl_laptop What you want 09:04 hdl_laptop What you tested 09:04 hdl_laptop you can have some clues using zebraidx -S 09:05 hdl_laptop btw there should be a symposium about Koha in France by the end of May 09:05 kf hdl_laptop: I hope I have time to work on it today after work, will write you an email if zebra stays stubborn 09:05 kf hm but will be in french? 09:06 kf hdl_laptop: and thx for the offer! 09:06 hdl_laptop I think so 09:06 hdl_laptop http://docmiop.wordpress.com/symposium-koha/ 09:07 kf I regret that I took Russian in school and not French :( 09:07 chris hdl_laptop: you should put that up on koha-community.org 09:07 hdl_laptop chris Yes. 09:07 chris hdl_laptop: is it at the SAN OP library ? 09:07 hdl_laptop yes 09:08 chris kf: its worth going just to see that library :) 09:09 kf I will give a talk on koha next week 09:09 * chris wishes he could go, hdl_laptop say hi to bruno and arnaud from me 09:10 chris kf: ohh cool 09:10 kf http://www.ub.uni-dortmund.de/inetbib2010/ 09:10 chris in zurich? 09:11 kf yes :) 09:11 chris very cool 09:12 chris you will be speaking in german eh? 09:13 chris i have a friend from nz who now lives in fribourg 09:13 kf yes 09:13 chris cool, she speaks german 09:14 miguel hi all 09:14 chris hi miguel 09:14 kf hi miguel 09:21 thd fredericd: are you present? 09:28 magnus the meeting is in half an hour, right? 09:29 chris yup 09:29 magnus goody 09:29 chris according to my calculations 09:30 Genji hiya all! 09:31 Genji Hmm..... theres a distinct lack of Topic: 09:33 thd Genji: and no one seems to have permissions to set a topic :) 09:34 Genji Yes.... my GenjiScreen has been continuously lurking, waiting to be the first connection, if the server ever goes down.. 09:34 Genji Guess it never has. 09:35 Genji Theres a community meeting of some sort today? 09:35 magnus Genji: yup http://wiki.koha.org/doku.php?id=en:events:meetings:irc_meetings:meetingnotes10apr07 09:36 Genji cool. 09:56 Genji whos actually awake? 09:58 kf oh, today is meeting? 09:58 thd not me 09:58 Genji yes, i believe, in 2 minutes time? 09:59 kf oh :( will miss most of it I think 10:00 kf bbl 10:00 Genji huh... christmas island is ahead of new zealand... 10:02 thd who is conducting the meeting? 10:03 thd who is here? 10:04 chris i am 10:04 Ropuch Me too 10:04 Colin I'm here 10:04 magnus me 2 10:04 chris but we probably need gmcharlt if it is to be useful, at least for the 3.2 bit 10:05 chris we could cover the other items on the agenda, and anything else people want to talk about as well 10:05 thd Do we have anyone to cover 3.0? 10:06 chris hdl_laptop was here earlier 10:07 thd hdl_laptop: ping 10:07 thd chris: are you starting the meeting for the presently assembled? 10:09 chris if people want to, i have nothing to talk about 10:10 thd I could propose a topic if of discussion if no one is yet present to cover important agenda items 10:11 * thd hunts for the link 10:12 thd http://old.nabble.com/wiki.koha-community.org-td27799812.html 10:12 chris yep we need gmcharlt to talk to that point to 10:12 thd Was there no reminder for this meeting? 10:12 chris no 10:13 thd I have been making many reminders and reminding others about reminders. 10:13 thd This should be a lesson to us in the absence of reminders people will forget. 10:16 Genji first i knew of this meeting, is the committee saying that the entire committee says its unnecessary to attend this meeting? no progress has occured on koha.org 10:17 Genji "All koha subcommitteee members were contacted to discuss whether any point in us meeting: answer no. Chris, Galen et al are all equally up with the play as I am." from joann 10:17 chris that was the meetng this morning genji 10:17 Genji ah... hmm.. okay. 10:17 chris and they were both announced (the community handover meeting this morning and this one) 10:18 chris and posted on the koha-community.org site and the wiki 10:18 chris just not a reminder sent out yesterday 10:18 Genji anyway, im here. Hiya chris. 10:19 chris i suspect the time of this meeting is pretty bad for non insomniacs (like thd :)) 10:19 Ropuch ;> 10:19 chris its what 5.20am or something? 10:20 gmcharlt good morning - sorry, thought 10:00 UTC+0 would be 07:00 EDT 10:20 thd 6.20 AM in Florida 10:20 chris there ya go 10:20 chris yeah 7 is more managable 10:21 Genji so, whos meeting chair? 10:21 thd 7 is less manageable for me 10:22 gmcharlt well, do we have a quorum to get started now? 10:22 thd we may be missing informed content about the state of 3.0 10:23 chris i think so 10:23 thd paul_p: are you present? 10:23 gmcharlt I saw hdl_laptop was here 1.5 hours ago 10:23 gmcharlt so maybe he'll jump in 10:23 gmcharlt so .... 10:23 gmcharlt belatedly 10:23 gmcharlt let's get this meeting started 10:23 gmcharlt round of intros 10:24 * gmcharlt = Galen Charlton, RM, Equinox 10:24 * Ropuch = Piotr Wejman, Biblioteka CSNE 10:24 thd Thomas Dukleth, Aggme, New York City 10:24 * chris = Chris Cormack, TM, Catalyst 10:24 thd Thomas Dukleth, Agogme, New York City 10:25 collum Garry Collum, Kenton County Public Library 10:25 magnus Magnus Enger, Libriotech, Norway 10:25 * Genji = Waylon Robertson, mandumah.com edusearch devel, 33rd contributor, Palmerston North, New Zealand. 10:25 chilts Andy Chilton, Catalyst IT 10:26 Colin Colin Campbell PTFS-Europe 10:28 gmcharlt small, intimate meeting, I see :) 10:28 gmcharlt agenda is 10:28 gmcharlt - Update on [[:en:development:roadmap3.2]]. 10:28 gmcharlt - Update on [[:en:development:roadmap3.0]]. 10:28 gmcharlt - Follow-up on actions from [[meetingnotes10mar03]]. 10:28 gmcharlt - Developer documentation 10:28 gmcharlt - Agree times of next meetings. 10:29 gmcharlt re 3.2 - I'm working on the backlog of patches that have been submitted - will be pushing the bugfixes with aim of getting a 3.2 alpha 2 out the door in a couple weeks 10:29 mason oops, running late... 10:29 mason = Mason James, KohaAloha. NZ 10:30 gmcharlt and if chris doesn't mind, I think we're in a position where a 3.4 branch should be started soon to accept the new features that keep coming in 10:31 Colin gmcharlt: How big is the backlog? 10:31 chris a 3.4 branch ... or a 3.2 branch and the features go into master? 10:33 gmcharlt Colin: about 150 bugfixes patches, and more features patches, some of which are masquerading as bugfixes 10:33 gmcharlt chris: a 3.2 branch with new stuff going into master is fine, though you'll need to merge often over the next few weeks if we do it that way 10:34 gmcharlt althernative is a future branch that gets merged into master when we split off 3.2 for maintenance 10:34 chris im easy either way, one big merge at the end or smaller ones along the way 10:35 chris whatever is easier for you 10:35 gmcharlt either way, we'll either new help getting gitosis perms worked out on git.koha.org or get git.koha-community.org up 10:35 chris yup 10:36 chris i have permission to push, for 3.0.x anyway 10:36 gmcharlt Colin: if you would start QM work now and do a patch testing and signoffs for 3.2 and give me pullable chunks of testable patches, that would be a good thing 10:36 chris but we will need to give fredericd permission to push up po files 10:37 Colin gmcharlt: ok 10:37 chris Colin: and any that look like new features that i could pull that would be most excellent 10:39 chris i think ill make a new_features branch and then when we branch 3.2.x for maintenance merge that back into master .. i think thats easiest 10:39 gmcharlt chris: sounds good 10:40 gmcharlt was it brendan who offerred to host git.k-c.org? 10:40 kf hi, sorry for being late 10:40 chris i think so 10:40 hdl_laptop here 10:42 chris you just pushed a bunch now gmcharlt ? 10:42 gmcharlt chris: starting to 10:42 gmcharlt hdl_laptop: good morning - let's move on to the 3.0.x update 10:42 * chris tests .. nope i cant push a new branch 10:43 chris so we will need cfouts help with that 10:43 chris or, shift git 10:43 gmcharlt right 10:43 gmcharlt chris, why don't you see if cfouts will help you set up the new branch and permissions 10:43 chris will do 10:43 hdl_laptop 3.0.x still has one problem I have to cope with : xsltfiles. 10:43 chris ill drop him an email first thing in the morning when im more coherent 10:44 hdl_laptop But the branch is stable enough 10:45 hdl_laptop I also have to care about some reserves isssues that were reported on the koha-fr channel 10:46 chris you are still planning a 3.0.6 release? 10:46 hdl_laptop Yes. 10:46 chris cool 10:46 hdl_laptop as soon as those two problems can be coped with 10:47 thd hdl_laptop: In what way are xsltfiles a problem? 10:47 hdl_laptop change on xslt preferences. 10:47 gmcharlt which were not forward-compatible with work being done in 3.2 10:47 hdl_laptop to take file patchs and urls instead of being hradcoded. 10:48 hdl_laptop yes. 10:48 thd Thanks for the clarification 10:49 hdl_laptop any questions ? 10:50 mason none from me 10:51 chris nor me 10:51 gmcharlt ok, moving on to follow-up from action items from previous meeting 10:51 gmcharlt I think main thing hanging over is updating the bug assignees 10:53 chris ah yes 10:54 kf will bugzilla move to koha-community.org too? 10:54 mason can that re-assigning be done easily using the web-gui? 10:54 chris yep, you can change the default assignees easily that way 10:55 mason ok, i thought so... 10:55 chris kf: yes, catalyst will probably be hosting it 10:55 * chris makes sure to follow that up with the sysadmins tomorrow 10:56 * nengard = Nicole Engard (who is late) 10:56 chris (we have the ok to host it, just need to make it happen but the urgency came off a little bit, but the plan is still to move it afaik) 10:56 gmcharlt chris: cool 10:56 gmcharlt ok, moving on 10:56 gmcharlt next agenda item is developer documentation 10:57 * kf = Katrin Fischer, BSZ 10:57 Genji with PTFS acquiring liblime, its possible that you could get bugzilla's actual database, chris? 10:57 chris it is a possibility 10:58 chris i have xml of all the bugs, if that doesnt pan out tho .. it would be much nicer to get the db of course 10:58 tajoli Hi [tajoli = Zeno Tajoli , CILEA], for developer documentation I think that my offer about MySQL is under this topic 10:58 nengard gmcharlt my goal was to get something written to make people new to koha and possibly to programming to feel more comfortable jumping in ... but i don't think i made that clear and so i have no clue where we are with developer docs since so many people had opinions :) 10:58 * Genji nods. "Can always ask first, then if that fails, xml it.' 10:59 nengard the problem is i can't write it alone - cause i don't know what i don't know :) 10:59 gmcharlt nengard: I think the main issue is that I was concerned whether you were right a tutorial or (as I think some others may have been wanting) normative documentation that sets development standards and policies 10:59 thd nengard: Whereof one does not know one can ask and cajole. 11:00 nengard well i think we need both 11:00 nengard and in both cases i couldn't do it alone 11:00 tajoli For me is clear that I need to coordinate SQL docs with this effort 11:00 gmcharlt but, no offense, you are not the one to write the latter 11:00 Genji An idea, is to create a wikibook? 11:00 gmcharlt normative dev standards *must* be *openly* discussed by *all* active developers 11:00 nengard no offense taken - but i don't see anyone who should be writing it jumping in :) 11:00 gmcharlt either on koha-devel or on the wiki 11:01 thd nengard: we once had a now out of date document about the coding standards in kohadocs.org 11:01 hdl_laptop gmcharlt: ok. 11:01 chris i agree 11:01 hdl_laptop But when should we start talking about that ? 11:01 gmcharlt which is not to say that the final result couldn't benefit from editorial cleanup, which you could contribute to, nicole 11:01 nengard thd is it still there? someone could take that and update it - or lots of someones 11:01 gmcharlt hdl_laptop: nothing stopping anybody from doing it whenever 11:01 chris the coding guidelines on the wiki are a good start 11:02 gmcharlt if we want to do some like making discussing the coding guidliness a stnading agenda item for the general IRC meetings 11:02 gmcharlt we can do that 11:02 tajoli About automatic estraction of info in C4:: ? 11:02 thd I would be willing to contribute to that as well as documenting some arcana with which I am especially familiar. 11:02 chris http://wiki.koha.org/doku.php?id=en:development:codingguidelines 11:03 tajoli And guidelene to write perldoc comment inside them 11:03 thd I may be heading for a time crash lasting a few weeks but I will persevere 11:03 tajoli guidelines 11:03 chris yep, thats in the guidelines already 11:03 chris http://wiki.koha.org/doku.php?id=en:development:codingguidelines#pod 11:04 gmcharlt well, there's clearly a desire, so I propose that we go ahead and set up the standing agenda item I mentioned 11:04 gmcharlt to make it easier to manage (i.e., to not have it turn into discussions that are not concreate enought to act on) 11:05 gmcharlt I further propose that specific points of change be added to that agenda item each month 11:05 gmcharlt i.e., not to make it completely open 11:05 hdl_laptop gmcharlt++ 11:05 gmcharlt but limit it to just 2 or 3 gudineline items a month 11:05 chris sounds like a plan to me, and i think that any ideas should be added to that wiki page and talked about on koha-devel too 11:05 chris lots of people can't make the meetings 11:06 gmcharlt nengard: I don't want to put you off - I agree that a tutorial is a good thing, and I agree that there is a real need for better editorial work and organization on the wiki 11:07 gmcharlt but ultimately, coding guidelines are driving by everybody who is submitting patches, with the caveat that the RM has discretion about rejecting patches that just don't work or don't follow the guidelines 11:08 chris as does QA 11:08 gmcharlt and it is quite possible that we'll have to get to the point that if you are an active contributor and submit a patch that doesn't follow the guidelines 11:08 gmcharlt it will be held over until any problems are fixed 11:09 thd Held over with gentle encouragement for the kittens I presume 11:09 Genji its not the RM or QA's responsibility to make a patch conform to guidelines, even if the patch is great and successful, if it doesn't conform, back it goes to the patcher? 11:09 chris yep, we have been quite lenient about that in the past, but with the volume of patches now, the RM can no longer fix them 11:09 gmcharlt Genji: generally, yes 11:09 gmcharlt I give more leeway to somebody who is a new contributor 11:10 gmcharlt or who is clearly eager but needs guidance on coding 11:10 chris *nod* 11:10 Colin plus if we fix them all we continue to get rogue patches 11:10 kf tutorials would help here 11:11 kf I think im one of the beginners who will need help to make patches better 11:11 Colin what might help is some good examples (the codebase does not always supply them) 11:11 chris yup 11:11 thd That is the greatest problem 11:11 chris maybe we (you and I) could pick a good patch or 2 each month 11:11 thd Do as is stated not as one sees. 11:12 chris to use as examples 11:12 chris patches of the month :) 11:12 thd chris++ 11:12 gmcharlt chris: worth trying 11:12 Genji Back in the long distant past of koha, there was CVS... everyone committed patches to it... and features and some libraries just used a cvs dump to run..if a bad patch or feature went in, and a library dled and ran with the cvs... but now we have Git, RM's and QA's... fantastic. 11:13 gmcharlt and hopefully soon a small army of module maintainers and bug wranglers 11:13 gmcharlt ok 11:13 gmcharlt to sum up 11:13 gmcharlt 1. we'll wait nengard's tutorial (you mean you aren't done yet? ;) 11:13 gmcharlt 2. we'll add a standing agenda item to discuss specific changes to the coding guidelines 11:14 collum If we are working on a file that has code that does not conform to the standards, should we refactor? 11:14 chris only if you do it an separate patch 11:14 gmcharlt collum: yes, but with caveats 11:14 gmcharlt i.e., what chris said 11:14 collum ok 11:15 gmcharlt and if the changes involving more than just textual formats 11:15 gmcharlt adding test cases is a really, really, really, really 11:15 gmcharlt really, really, really 11:15 gmcharlt good idea 11:15 chris :) 11:15 gmcharlt did I say it was a good idea? 11:15 chris larsw will be pestering us all about that 11:15 chris he has been testing test coverage of koha 11:15 chris its about 12% 11:16 chris we need that about 88% higher 11:16 chris or at least 80% 11:16 chris :) 11:17 kf how difficult is it to write test cases? 11:17 magnus a little howto on tests, or a pointer to some good ones, would be appreciated then :-) 11:17 kf magnus++ :) 11:17 Ropuch :) 11:17 chris kf: its actually not too hard, its easier if you do the test first, then write the code so that it passes 11:18 chris http://wiki.koha.org/doku.php?id=en:development:unit_testing 11:18 gmcharlt ok, then I think we're ready for the final agenda item, setting the time of the next meeting 11:18 magnus chris: nice, hadn't seen that 11:18 gmcharlt 19:00 UTC+0 on 5 May? 11:19 chris thats not quite true anymore, but its a good start 11:19 chris actually most of it is true 11:19 chris gmcharlt: works for me 11:20 thd chris: what is not true? 11:21 chris the directory structure where the tests live 11:21 chris but yeah, have a look in the t dir 11:23 hdl_laptop ok for me 11:23 IrmaCalyx Irma from CALYX - sooo sorry I am late - Hi all :-) 11:23 * mason waves at irma 11:24 gmcharlt ok, thanks all 11:24 * chris goes to sleep 11:25 thd good night chris 11:25 tajoli for me 9:00 UTC+0 on 5 May is ok 11:25 * thd needs to sleep shortly 11:25 Colin sweet dreams of successful tests 11:25 tajoli sorry 19:00 UTC+0 on 5 May 11:25 tajoli is ok 11:26 mason thanks again galen 11:28 hdl_laptop thanks 11:29 Genji me too. sleep callith. 11:29 Genji night all. 11:50 juan one question. Anybody could review or test our development about Mail in Koha? 11:52 juan were are going to commit a new development, our Fines in days module, which has differences with the one that will be included in new version of Koha 12:16 hdl_laptop juan|away: no time for that at the moment but quite interested. 12:17 * owen reading the meeting log, offering regrets for being absent 12:18 jwagner There was a meeting? 12:19 nengard i'm having a problem that makes no sense - i can't seem to check out an item to a patron with an overdue item - i don't get a message pop up - just an empty yellow box and there are no errors in the log file ... but i have no preferences set that should stop me from checking the item out .... ideas? 12:19 jwagner nengard, see Bug 4036 12:19 munin 04Bug http://bugs.koha.org/cgi-bin/bugzilla3/show_bug.cgi?id=4036 blocker, P5, ---, kyle.m.hall@gmail.com, ASSIGNED, Two conditions missing from circ template messages: USERBLOCKEDOVERDUE and USERBLOCKEDREMAINING 12:20 * owen shakes his fist at Bug 4036 12:20 nengard ick - that's a big issue 12:20 nengard grrr 12:21 jwagner I think there are a couple of other related bugs, this was the one that came up in the search. 12:21 kf yes 12:21 jwagner Basically, the system thinks there's a reason not to allow checkout/renewal, but the screen doesn't know what the reason is so it displays the empty box. 12:21 kf bad bug 12:21 * owen likes the "patch of the month" suggestion 12:22 jwagner ? 12:22 nengard but the system does think there is a reason .... so how do i find that reason so i can get the darn thing to let me check out so i can get the screenshots I need??? :) 12:22 nengard jwagner - from the meeting minutes 12:22 jwagner Try a different patron/item? 12:23 nengard did that 12:23 nengard tried lots of combos 12:23 nengard if the patron has at least one item overdue (which I need) then i can't check out 12:24 nengard and if the system thought there was a reason wouldn't it be in the log ... well maybe not if it's not an error - just a reason ... grrr 12:28 kf nengard: it blocks because its the day the item is due I think... which makes no sense 12:29 kf nengard: it should at least be overdue 12:29 kf nengard: I was testing notices and fines and this bug forced me to change all my test cases :( 12:30 nengard kf meaning today is the day the item is due? 12:30 kf yes 12:31 nengard well when i specify to make the due date a diff date it still won't check out 12:32 kf you cant check out to a patron with an overdue book right now 12:32 kf I think the yellow box should be something like 12:32 nengard grrr - okay 12:32 kf this patron has overdoes, still want to check out another book? y/n 12:34 * chris_n also offers regrets for missing the meeting this morning 12:34 owen Koha has NEVER before blocked a checkout because a patron had overdues. I don't know why it should start now. 12:35 * jwagner speculates, sheer perversity? 12:37 owen Will someone be sending out an official notice of the next Koha General meeting date and time? 12:37 nengard have tricked the system by editing the db directly - not good practice but i need to get this image :) 12:38 jwagner trickery++ 12:42 kf I think it should be possible to deactivate some of those warnings 12:42 hilongo good morning everyone :) 12:42 hilongo I guess I'm a little late for the meeting 12:44 jwagner At least you remembered that there WAS a meeting, unlike some of us :-) 12:45 Ropuch ;> 12:46 Ropuch Maybe there's a way to have reminders send to list automagically by callendar app on koha-community ;> 12:48 kf gmcharlt: just send you another mail with the sample data from yesterday converted for import into koha 12:48 gmcharlt kf: thanks 12:50 kf gmcharlt: I tried to describe what our program does, just ask if its not clear what I meant 13:23 ftherese1 hello... why do you suppose git doesn't supply the french install stuff? 13:24 ftherese1 + how do I add it? 13:25 paul_p bonjour ftherese 13:25 paul_p ftherese1, you're right, git doesn't include localized koha. But it includes the translations & the tool to generate them 13:25 ftherese1 salut paul_p 13:25 paul_p look in misc/translator directory 13:26 ftherese1 alors... thanks 13:26 ftherese1 je m'y met 13:26 paul_p ftherese1, and we have a french channel (very quiet...) on freenode, #koha-fr 13:27 ftherese1 that's why I came here ;) 13:27 ftherese1 I had more success here in the past 13:39 owen Hi cm 13:39 cm hi owen! 13:40 cm do you know if anyone's planning on adding xslt templates for the staff interface? iirc, they're not in 3.2 yet. 13:41 owen cm: They are in the latest version, at least for the detail page. Not for the search results page. 13:43 kf cm: I tested them, detail works fine 13:43 cm thanks. i think the search results page is where i'm missing them the most, though. there are a couple issues that i think would be easier to fix in xslt, like adding subtitles and the problem with ampersands. 13:44 owen There is some work in progress which should improve display of subtitles. 13:44 owen What problem with ampersands? 13:45 kf Im not sure, but perhaps you could already add a xslt template for search results in 3.2, I think there is a sysprf 13:45 kf xslt stylesheet 13:45 cm where they show up as "&" 13:46 owen cm: I don't think I've seen that 13:46 cm the opac search results did the same thing; i submitted a patch that fixed it, though it was probably kind of a hack. 13:46 kf XSLTResultsDisplay Show biblio records on result page in the staff client - I set it on using xslt stylesheet but not sure it changed anything 13:47 * chris_n notes another migration to closed-source LLEK 13:48 cm yeah, i think the sysprefs were changed to separate the xslt templates for the opac & intranet (they were both using the same template at one time), and now the ability is there to have it, but the template doesn't exist. 13:49 owen Exactly. 13:49 owen chris_n: Where? 13:49 * magnus wonders why anyone would choose LLEK at this time... 13:50 owen magnus: Perhaps a library that had been in negotiations with LibLime for a while? 13:50 magnus owen: yeah, probably 13:50 owen Oh here it is: http://www.librarytechnology.org/ltg-displaytext.pl?RC=14685 13:50 chris_n snap 13:51 cm owen: i think the ampersand issue has something to do with this bug: http://bugs.koha.org/cgi-bin/bugzilla3/show_bug.cgi?id=3326 13:51 munin 04Bug 3326: normal, P5, ---, gmcharlt@gmail.com, NEW, xml entity refs display incorrectly in results page if exported and indexed as xml 13:51 cm we're indexing as xml 13:52 owen Okay, that's new to me. What is the difference between indexing as xml and the standard? 13:52 ftherese paul_p: so I need to do something like ./translate install fr-FR? 13:52 ftherese perl that is 13:52 paul_p ftherese, yep 13:55 cm owen: you can either store your records as marc or marcxml, and choose to use one or the other with rebuild_zebra.pl 13:55 cm i don't remember exactly why we settled on storing records as marcxml, but i think it had to do with migrating our records from dev_week to koha3 13:57 kf bye #koha :) 13:58 ftherese paul_p only one error... hope it isn't serious 13:58 ftherese Use of uninitialized value $pref_name in concatenation (.) or string at LangInstaller.pm line 173. 13:59 ftherese and at line 131 14:10 ftherese paul_p: I installed the fr-FR translation, which looked like it worked, but I still have only en as an option 14:15 ftherese should it have been named just "fr" instead of "fr-FR"? 14:18 jcamins Good morning, #koha 14:19 jcamins Does anyone know if there is an idiot's guide to creating custom indexes in Zebra? 14:21 chris_n it seems that in all of our code-style deliberations we should consider "requiring" the initialization of all vars when they are first defined 14:21 chris_n this would avoid *many* warns in comparisons 14:21 paul_p ftherese, fr-FR, and pls activate it in sysprefs / i18n tab 14:22 ftherese I haven't installed the system yet 14:22 ftherese j'ai besoin de l'unimarc 14:23 paul_p ftherese, so, you must have french setup & don't need to do anything with sysprefs 14:23 paul_p (but it must be fr-FR) 14:23 ftherese so... why won't it let me select fr-FR from the setup menu? 14:23 ftherese after running translate install fr-FR 14:27 ftherese ... frustration 14:28 ftherese why won't the setup page let me select another language?!? 14:46 paul_p ftherese, pls check you've a directory $KOHA/koha-tmpl/intranet-tmpl/prog/fr-FR ? 14:46 ftherese it includes these files: 14:46 ftherese columns.def css includes js lib modules xslt 14:46 ftherese @paul_p 14:46 munin ftherese: Error: "paul_p" is not a valid command. 14:47 ftherese sorry munin 14:47 paul_p ok, so it exist. so it's translated. 14:47 ftherese right... I tried restarting apache2 14:47 ftherese reloading it 14:48 ftherese and refreshing the browser 14:48 ftherese but it won't show the fr-FR in the menu 14:48 ftherese on /cgi-bin/koha/installer/install.pl 14:48 paul_p grrrr... should do 14:49 ftherese do I need to give it the translate -p update? 14:50 ftherese upon reading the documentation 14:50 ftherese it just looks like that deals with only a few of the files 14:57 ftherese I guess I'll just let it go 14:57 ftherese forget about it 15:23 ricardo Hi everyone 15:25 ricardo I have a development question: is there a way to have a "stack trace" displayed somewhere (screen, log...) for a function call in Koha? I'm having, for some authority searches, a Crash ("Can't call method "fields" on an undefined value at /koha/koha30xclone/C4/AuthoritiesMarc.pm line 890.") and I would like to debug this... 15:25 ricardo ... but the function that contains that line is called from several places (so, I think a trace would be nice) 15:33 gmcharlt jdavidb: about? 15:33 jdavidb present, more or les. 15:34 gmcharlt just wondering if you have any comments on the three-patch series for bug 3482 that hdl_laptop sent on 3/17 15:34 munin 04Bug http://bugs.koha.org/cgi-bin/bugzilla3/show_bug.cgi?id=3482 enhancement, PATCH-Sent, ---, kohaprogrammers@ptfs.com, NEW, Print overdue and hold notices for patrons without email addresses 15:35 jdavidb I've seen them (meaning, I have them in my inbox, and know they are there) but have not had minutes enough to rub together to *do* anything with them. I haven't forgotten; am just thoroughly buried. 15:59 jcamins Does anyone here happen to know how to make zebra recognize additional attributes, without modifying bib1.att? 16:00 moodaepo yes 16:01 jcamins Really? How do you do it? I tried creating a separate file, and adding it to zebra-biblios.cfg, and it doesn't seem to recognize my new attributes. 16:03 chris_n @wunder 28334 16:03 munin chris_n: The current temperature in Dunn, North Carolina is 27.7�C (11:49 AM EDT on April 07, 2010). Conditions: Clear. Humidity: 12%. Dew Point: -4.0�C. Pressure: 29.65 in 1003.9 hPa (Steady). 16:03 jdavidb @wunder 20817 16:03 munin jdavidb: The current temperature in Langley Fork Park, McLean, Virginia is 31.6�C (11:28 AM EDT on April 07, 2010). Conditions: Clear. Humidity: 26%. Dew Point: 10.0�C. Pressure: 29.81 in 1009.4 hPa (Falling). 16:05 moodaepo jcamins: my yes was for another window sorry : ( 16:20 cait hi #koha 16:21 jwagner hi cait 16:21 Nouman hi 16:21 jdavidb hi, cait! :) 16:21 cait :) 16:27 indradg_ @wunder kolkata 16:27 munin indradg_: The current temperature in Kolkata, India is 30.0�C (9:50 PM IST on April 07, 2010). Conditions: Haze. Humidity: 79%. Dew Point: 26.0�C. Pressure: 29.86 in 1011 hPa (Steady). 16:39 sjeffery Can anyone link to an example record showing the issues of a periodical held by a library in Koha? Having the darndest time tracking an example down. 16:46 tomascohen hi everyone 16:46 tomascohen i was wondering if is koha-zebraqueue-daemon needed? 16:47 paul_p tomascohen, it's deprecated. You should put rebuild_zebra.pl -z in the crontab 16:50 ricardo Bye all! 16:57 tomascohen paul_p: thanks! 17:13 mib_umdivv hi all 17:13 Ropuch Hi 17:14 mib_umdivv does anyone know of a Koha Copy Cataloging Cheat Sheet, Checklist, Guide, Tutorial 17:14 mib_umdivv or anything of that sort? 17:29 mib_umdivv ? 19:41 chris gmcharlt: thanks for all the pushing, thats a ton of patches :) 19:41 cait hi chris 19:41 chris heya cait 19:41 cait perhaps you can help me? 19:41 cait i want to add a new index to zebra 19:42 gmcharlt chris: I think there are three new committers for history.txt today 19:42 chris oh cool, i saw the 2 catalysters (donovan and srdjan) 19:42 cait I wonder because /etc/zebradb exists in directory kohaclone (git) and koha-dev 19:42 chris who was the other one? 19:43 gmcharlt Cindy Ames 19:43 cait now not sure where to change it - koha-dev is not in git, but it seems koha uses koha-dev and not files under kohaclone? 19:43 gmcharlt cait: the koha-dev one is the one that is actually used by the Zebra process 19:43 chris ahh awesome 19:43 cait hm, but how do i make my patch when i change files in koha-dev? 19:44 gmcharlt cait: if it's something to submit, you'll have to change both versions 19:44 cait ah ok 19:44 chris gmcharlt: im really happy how many female developers we have .. its nowhere near 50% but its way better than most projects 19:44 cait I plan to submit everything as soon as possible, perhaps some smaller patches and enhancements 19:45 chris yay! 19:45 cait but I still need a lot of time for small things :( 19:45 gmcharlt chris: agreed. not that we should be resting on our laurels regarding that, of course 19:45 chris yeah, last time i sat on laurel i got a punch 19:45 cait resting on our laurels? 19:46 gmcharlt doh - I walked right into that 19:46 chris its an old saying cait, (but laurel is also my wife's name) 19:46 chris its to do with laurel wreaths isnt it gmcharlt ? 19:46 cait what does it mean? 19:46 chris shouldnt become complacent 19:46 gmcharlt chris: I think so 19:47 chris ie we shouldnt think the job is done 19:47 cait gmcharlt: is there mroe than changing record.abs, bib1.att and properties.ccl and reindex? 19:48 chris cait: http://idioms.thefreedictionary.com/rest+on+laurels 19:48 gmcharlt cait: no, that's it 19:48 cait chris: thank you! 19:48 cait gmcharlt: thx! 19:50 chris ok bus time 20:23 richard hi 20:33 chris back 20:33 richard hey chris 20:33 cait ok, all files changed - testing now 20:35 chris_n enough of DBIx::Class for one day :P 20:35 * chris_n heads home 20:36 chris good luck cait 20:36 cait thx :) 20:42 cait ok, I can find the records with $w now in any, but not with my index rcn: or Record-control-number: 20:43 chris gmcharlt: alex arnaud too 20:43 gmcharlt yep 20:43 chris 4 new committers 20:44 cait ah typo :) 20:45 chris that makes 109 20:51 cait hmpf 20:53 cait hm, still not working 20:55 chris i need a synonym for freedom 20:56 rhcl_away fired 20:56 rhcl_away laid off 20:56 rhcl_away unemployed 20:56 rhcl_away divorced 20:56 rhcl_away happily divorced 20:56 chris one thats not from a janis joplin song 20:56 larsw autonomous, unhindered 20:56 chris ohh thanks larsw 20:57 chris i like autonomous 20:57 cait http://10.0.0.2:8080/cgi-bin/koha/opac-search.pl?q=rcn:006869769 results in error 404 :( 20:57 chris dang 20:58 larsw chris, http://autonomo.us/ :) 21:00 cait Record-control-number 1=1045 21:00 cait rcn Record-control-number 21:00 cait att 1045 Record-control-number 21:00 cait I dont see, whats wrong with those 21:02 cait ok, time to go to bed - good night #koha 21:04 chris night cait 21:12 chris hi brendan 21:22 brendan hi chris 21:22 brendan made it back home :) 21:25 chris cool :) 21:27 magnus good night, #koha 21:55 brendan @wunder 93117 21:55 munin brendan: The current temperature in ASOS_HFM SANTA BARBARA, CA, Santa Barbara, California is 25.0�C (2:35 PM PDT on April 07, 2010). Conditions: Clear. Humidity: 18%. Dew Point: -1.0�C. Pressure: 30.09 in 1018.8 hPa (Falling). 22:13 moodaepo @wunder 56001 22:13 munin moodaepo: The current temperature in South on Monks, Mankato, Minnesota is 12.2�C (5:12 PM CDT on April 07, 2010). Conditions: Clear. Humidity: 28%. Dew Point: -6.0�C. Pressure: 29.84 in 1010.4 hPa (Rising). 22:55 * mason waves from kapiti 22:57 * richard waves at mason from wellington