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22:44 chris_n lazy... what code is all about
22:43 collum chris_n: Cool, thanks. I'll save that with the other query. I actually got enough from the other query to be lazy.
22:42 chris_n opps
22:42 chris_n collum: http://stats.workbuffer.org/irclog/koha/2010-01-26#i_378258
22:28 chris and someone needs to show nengard pleaserobme.com
22:28 chris the problem with answering questions on the mailing lists, is you get 8 more questions off list
22:12 collum Ahh. Perfect. Thanks chris.
22:11 chris http://stats.workbuffer.org/irclog/koha/2009-11-25#i_348004
22:08 collum will do.
22:08 chris_n collum: search the irc logs for the query chris references
22:07 collum I could always just add a field, but If I can be lazy, I would prefer that.
22:07 chris ah there is a way to query inside the xml, i forget
22:06 collum I'm looking for a bib with a 710 field, so I can test some code. Anyone know a quick sql query I can use to find a bib that has a specific marc field?
22:01 wizzyrea bbl, 5pm time to pick up lil chum
22:00 wizzyrea I <3 it. The site is going to be so awesome...
21:59 wizzyrea :D
21:59 chris next time someone asks that question :)
21:59 chris now i can just go http://koha-community.org/documentation/faq/searching/#5
21:59 wizzyrea you can do that too, you just need to add the little shortcode to a page
21:59 chris ta
21:58 wizzyrea I know right~!
21:58 wizzyrea http://koha-community.org/documentation/faq/searching/
21:58 chris_n work? they make you do that there?
21:57 wizzyrea ;)
21:57 wizzyrea I had to do work, work and got interrupted.
21:57 wizzyrea ah, chris, I don't ahve a page set up for that category yet, one min I"ll add it
21:57 chris looks fine to me
21:55 chris reading the wiki now
21:54 chris i guess you need to flush the cache for it to show?
21:52 wizzyrea you can blame me :P
21:52 wizzyrea so if there's anything in there you find objectionable or wrong
21:51 wizzyrea I was like, um, no
21:51 wizzyrea it was like "click here for our guidelines, now click here and read this"
21:50 wizzyrea oh and I reworked the bug submission guidelines on the wiki
21:50 wizzyrea I haven't started (and haven't gotten nicole in on the job) migrating the faq fro mthe old site
21:50 chris ah ok
21:49 wizzyrea then pick your category, -> add question
21:49 wizzyrea so click settings -> DS FAQ
21:49 wizzyrea to add
21:49 wizzyrea yea, you have to go the back end to do that
21:49 chris i see edit or delete
21:48 chris yep
21:48 wizzyrea are you logged in?
21:47 chris so how do i add a question to the faq?
21:45 chris *nod*
21:45 chris_n I have found zebra very cooperative now that I know it better
21:45 chris_n I agree whole heartedly
21:44 chris the fact we tell it to do some retarded things is our fault
21:44 * chris_n thinks maybe just an understanding of running script_foo.pl --help might go a long way
21:44 chris it does pretty much exactly what you tell it to
21:44 chris chris_n: im coming to like zebra
21:43 chris_n zebra has gotten itself in trouble again ;)
21:42 wizzyrea hehe yae
21:42 chris did you see i updated the about page too?
21:42 chris yep looks good
21:39 * wizzyrea mutters something evil about docbook
21:39 wizzyrea and I'm still fighting with the manual.
21:39 wizzyrea oh chris did you see my enhancement/bugs search things on k-c?
21:38 chris theres plenty of documentation, hooray for having it in one place
21:37 wizzyrea get on it ^.^
21:36 wizzyrea yea that would probably be a good one
21:36 SJeffery Hurray for documentation:)
21:34 chris maybe i should add that to the FAQ
21:24 chris done
21:13 chris wrting it up now
21:13 wizzyrea zoinks
21:13 chris yeah and stefan
21:13 chris don't delete you koha and reinstall to rebuild zebra!!
21:13 wizzyrea oh from otis?
21:12 * chris tries to write a post to stop the bad advice on the koha list
21:12 wizzyrea ieek?
21:12 chris eeek
19:07 chris yup
19:06 chris where foo = warn, error, debug etc
19:06 chris if you add a log object to C4::Context, then you could do $context->log->foo('bar')
19:06 chris_n as part of the general cleanup
19:06 chris_n centralized logging might be a nice bit of work for 3.4
19:05 chris we use log4perl at work quite a lot
19:05 chris well nope, bit taking good ideas from catalyst and using them is good :)
19:05 chris http://search.cpan.org/~mschilli/Log-Log4perl-1.28/lib/Log/Log4perl.pm
19:04 chris_n actually, let me rephrase that: we need catalyst ;-)
19:04 chris log4perl chris_n
19:04 chris_n we need something like catalyst's $c->log->foo('bar');
19:04 chris i think we may get close today, 3pm is the hottest part of the day usually
19:03 brendan by a landslide
19:03 chris yep :)
19:03 * chris_n wins :)
19:03 munin chris_n: The current temperature in Erwin, North Carolina is 23.0�C (2:41 PM EDT on March 19, 2010). Conditions: Clear. Humidity: 10%. Dew Point: -11.0�C. Pressure: 29.94 in 1014 hPa (Steady).
19:03 chris_n @wunder 28334
19:02 munin chris: The current temperature in Wellington, New Zealand is 15.0�C (7:00 AM NZDT on March 20, 2010). Conditions: Partly Cloudy. Humidity: 88%. Dew Point: 13.0�C. Pressure: 30.06 in 1018 hPa (Steady).
19:02 chris @wunder wellington nz
19:02 brendan burrrr cold today
19:02 munin brendan: The current temperature in ASOS_HFM SANTA BARBARA, CA, Santa Barbara, California is 13.9�C (11:35 AM PDT on March 19, 2010). Conditions: Clear. Humidity: 88%. Dew Point: 12.0�C. Pressure: 30.04 in 1017.2 hPa (Steady).
19:02 brendan @weather 93117
19:01 brendan morning chris
19:01 chris morning
18:53 jwagner Well, pretty counts :-)
18:53 collum It will look pretty, but the searches won't work.
18:53 jwagner Haven't tried your code yet with these known index settings -- am fighting another problem. But I will, & will let you know if it works.
18:52 collum Me neither. That would be ideal.
18:52 jwagner I don't know if there is any way to phrase a search that says these terms all have to be in the same field. Any zebra or search experts online?
18:52 collum Huh.
18:51 jwagner Yes, the index settings include the entire 650 -- all subfields.
18:51 collum Did you guys check for subfields vxyz in the indexes for 650.
18:51 collum Yep. I don't have access to koha right now.
18:50 munin 04Bug http://bugs.koha.org/cgi-bin/bugzilla3/show_bug.cgi?id=4276 critical, P5, ---, gmcharlt@gmail.com, NEW, "Related subjects" search is OPAC doesn't work with chained subject terms
18:50 jwagner collum, sorry, been fighting code (and it's winning). See my update to Bug 4276
18:36 collum jwagner?
18:27 cabillman is it ok to remove that check?
18:26 cabillman in the cron job there is a line UpdateFines(...) if ($amount >0)
18:26 cabillman patrons with overdue books + no fines do not appear in the account lines table
18:24 cabillman everything appears to be working correctly.... but yesterday our elementary librarians decided they won't be charging fines anymore
18:24 cabillman I have a nice overdue/fine report written for our librarians which pulls data from the accuontlines table
18:23 cabillman Hi everyone. I have a question regarding the accountlines table
18:16 jwagner collum, online?
18:08 nengard http://wiki.koha.org/doku.php?id=en:events:meetings:irc_meetings:start
18:07 nengard all ofthe meetings on the wiki have past ...
18:07 nengard when is the next irc meeting?
17:27 wizzyrea though most of us have been trained to add them as enhancements
17:26 wizzyrea lol, fair enough
17:25 SJeffery I'm going suggest an enhancement that the enhancement label be changed to suggestion:)
17:24 wizzyrea enhancement :)
17:21 SJeffery So do suggestions in bugzilla go under the category they apply to or some suggestions category? Or nowhere?
17:14 jdavidb Going well, brendan. :) things have been a little bit wild this week, you might imagine. But making progress on some projects.
17:13 brendan jdavidb - how goes it?
17:12 jdavidb howdy, brendan. :)
17:11 sekjal morning, brendan
17:10 brendan morning #koha
16:49 wizzyrea i have koha-fr
16:49 wizzyrea wtb links to the worldwide koha sites
16:38 wizzyrea lulz
16:38 Colin We don't want to get people's hopes up
16:37 wizzyrea aha, that was a carryover from the original content, I'll nuke it
16:37 Colin wizzyrea: I think the link to koha-testing mailing list could go there have been no posts since 2005
16:29 wizzyrea alright, I think I'm done fiddling with http://wiki.koha.org/doku.php?id=bugreportingfornewbies
16:07 * jwagner grins
16:07 jdavidb Atop the problems you already emailed me, you mean? Harrrrumph!
16:07 jwagner Well, jdavidb, you can come help me with my problem code. That should cheer you up :-)
16:06 wizzyrea hrmph indeed.
16:06 jdavidb Annoying to commute nearly an hour to the doc's office, only to be rescheduled because they lost track of my appt. Then an hour back, of course.
16:05 wizzyrea that good huh?
16:05 jdavidb Harrrrumph.
16:05 wizzyrea anyone have any comments on the changes I've made to this: http://wiki.koha.org/doku.php?id=bugreportingfornewbies
16:03 kmkale do let me know if you think of something
16:02 kmkale hdl_laptop: thanks
16:01 hdl_laptop kmkale: sorry I have to take a train
15:58 kmkale is that correct behaviour?
15:58 kmkale there is one unrelated thing I have just noticed. This is on granthalaya.org server running 3.00.00, is I search for a term I get a list of libraries on left. But the list of libraries on the page is only for items which are displayed in that page. i.e. if an item is displayed on 7th page in library x then library x is not in the list of libraries on 1st page
15:57 kf have a nice weekend all
15:52 kmkale hdl_laptop: wowowo??
15:45 kmkale but you know more than just english :)
15:45 hdl_laptop wowowo
15:45 hdl_laptop ah... it is a problem with sorting....
15:45 hdl_laptop hehe /me is not really a hindi professional
15:41 kmkale is that the correct behaviour?
15:41 kmkale with icu.xml in the patch i get all these words too but the original search term मात is listed last in both icu.xml as well as icu.idx based searches
15:40 kmkale i used to use icu.idx with that i dont get मातृ or माते etc..
15:39 hdl_laptop I donot have such a behaviour without icu
15:39 hdl_laptop But it failed and zebra told it was an unknown truncation attribute.
15:38 hdl_laptop I tried to search history with *story
15:34 kmkale is that what I am seeing here? with the serch term coming last in the list?
15:34 kmkale hdl_laptop: can you please explain?
15:33 hdl_laptop But there are problems with right truncation
15:33 hdl_laptop ok.
15:32 kmkale hdl_laptop: i have pulled git head and applied the patch in http://git.biblibre.com/cgi-bin/gitweb.cgi?p=koha;a=commitdiff_plain;h=b4068c1da33de36019bf4192150b6234bb8c7dbf;hp=a739ed37ef5e289cf6ac9815acd9fc6ede052bfc
15:32 Willem Hi, I'm having trouble using ModMember to update member info - This is what I tried: ModMember( borrowernumber => '503', address => 'My New Address' ); but although the module goes through perl without complaining and gives 'true' as a result, the field isn't being updated in the koha patrons. Any advice?
15:31 hdl_laptop what have you done ?
15:30 kmkale but I see that a title starting with मात is listed last in the search after stuff like मातृ and माते etc. should that not be reverse?
15:30 hdl_laptop Have you fixed some icu problem for that ?
15:30 hdl_laptop kmkale: very good.
15:29 kmkale i mean when searching for मात i get मातरमॠand माती along with मात
15:24 kmkale i saw a discussion in bugzilla that icuchain and zebra had problems with it
15:24 kmkale it also works with truncation. is that the right term?
15:23 gmcharlt cool
15:22 kmkale gmcharlt: I can now report that the patch definitely works on head with Devanagari data
15:21 wizzyrea my goal is to make a friendlier front end for it
15:21 wizzyrea :)
15:20 nelsonf Oh, that link is to bugs.koha.org!
15:20 nelsonf I click on the "advanced bug search" link and this lets me search all, open and closed.
15:19 wizzyrea actually, you'll want http://bugs.koha.org/cgi-bin/bugzilla3/query.cgi
15:19 wizzyrea that's at bugs.koha.org
15:19 wizzyrea you may want to search directly from bugzilla, I believe that the front page search and the website search both only search open bugs
15:18 nelsonf because I don't know whether the bugfix requires additional code elsewhere to ensure that it works properly.
15:18 nelsonf wizzyrea: Using your search-bugs link, I'm going to try and track down a bug that nengard thinks was fixed and then try to determine whether I can apply the patch in my version of koha. Maybe I'd be on thin ice,
15:03 chris_n nelsonf: this method also lends it self to making local customizations easier to maintain during upgrades, etc.
15:00 nelsonf chris_n: thanks, I'll have a read
15:00 nelsonf I've visited git.koh.org and poked around
14:59 chris_n nelsonf: maybe this will be of some help: http://wiki.koha.org/doku.php?id=en:development:git_usage
14:59 sekjal you can clone the complete history of the project from our central repository
14:59 sekjal nelsonf: Git is the distributed version control system Koha uses.
14:58 nelsonf so I've heard, but I haven't a clue what "running over a git" means... truth be known
14:58 sekjal chris_n: completely agreed. git is the way to go
14:57 chris_n even upgrading is much easier imho
14:57 chris_n nelsonf: running over git is a big plus when it comes to that sort of thing
14:56 nelsonf we haven't taken any updates since then, only the occasional patch
14:56 nelsonf our techies installed about a year ago, and
14:56 nelsonf chris_n: i've heard we should get into a git stream, but I don't think so,
14:55 kf wizzyrea: sorry, got distracted by mails, I like the way your mind works :)
14:55 chris_n nelsonf: are you running your koha over git?
14:54 chris_n who appears absent atm
14:54 * chris_n winks at owen
14:54 chris_n very cool... a patch to standardize the cancel buttons
14:54 nelsonf it would be nice to know such a thing.
14:53 nelsonf I just posted to the koha-dev, about a bug that Galen said should be backwards compatible,
14:52 chris_n for simple changes that's ok, but the more complex they are the more difficult that becomes
14:52 chris_n nelsonf: then it is a matter of making the changes to the code manually
14:51 wizzyrea I think you have to nerd knob to get closed bugs
14:51 wizzyrea actually, the front page search of bugzilla performs the same search
14:51 chris_n at times there may be other intermediate changes to the code which make the patch unable to be applied
14:51 joetho it is so nice to have a little input on what goes on the various koha pages and wikis.
14:51 nelsonf the story of my life :-)
14:50 chris_n nelsonf: it is not as easy as it sounds unfortunately
14:50 nelsonf we seem to be stuck in our current version
14:50 wizzyrea but I could do it so that it searches all
14:50 nelsonf chris_n: I would *really* like to know how to do this - dig up a patch and apply it, as
14:49 joetho how about a bug manager?
14:49 wizzyrea yes, that link only searches open bugs.
14:49 nelsonf it only lists NEW and ASSI
14:49 chris_n if one is really stuck on an earlier version, they could then dig up the patch and apply it locally I suppose
14:49 nelsonf I just clicked on your search-bugs link to find a problem I'm having with inventory, and
14:48 chris_n nelsonf: they will probably be marked fixed and the appropriate bugfix pointed to
14:47 wizzyrea though the solution would probably be to update
14:47 wizzyrea nothing I suppose
14:46 wizzyrea np ;)
14:46 nelsonf sorry to interrupt
14:46 nelsonf Hi ya'll, what's to prevent someone with an older version from submitting a bug that's already been addressed in a later version? We're using 3.00.01 and I often hit bugs that were fixed by 3.0.4.
14:46 wizzyrea because i have heard over and over that if you call an enhancement bug a "bug" then it is intimidating and people won't do it
14:45 wizzyrea but if they have a problem, they're going to want to Support -> look for bugs
14:45 wizzyrea they want to know About -> Enhancing Koha
14:45 wizzyrea lets say a librarian comes to our site
14:45 wizzyrea but here's my logic
14:45 wizzyrea my mind works in a strange way sometimes
14:44 wizzyrea yea, they can be moved
14:44 kf hm enhancing koha is under about and search bugs under support?
14:43 kf great!
14:42 kf wizzyrea++
14:42 wizzyrea and it's corollary, this: http://koha-community.org/about/enhancing-koha/
14:42 wizzyrea I'm working on this: http://koha-community.org/support/search-bugs/
14:41 kf would be nice to link to it from bugzilla
14:41 kf :)
14:41 wizzyrea great minds ;)
14:41 kf ah, you beat me
14:41 kf http://wiki.koha.org/doku.php?id=bugreportingfornewbies&s[]=bugs
14:41 wizzyrea http://wiki.koha.org/doku.php?id=bugreportingfornewbies
14:41 wizzyrea ty for mentioning that, I found it
14:41 wizzyrea AHH
14:39 kf I think I saw something on the wiki
14:39 wizzyrea I'm thinking something librarian friendly
14:39 wizzyrea they don't already exist do they?
14:38 wizzyrea_away I would like to come up with bug submission guidelines, I'm looking at these as a guide: https://developer.mozilla.org/en/Bug_writing_guidelines
13:16 kmkale thanks ropuch
13:11 Ropuch kmkale: http://progit.org/book/ch1-1.html is quite usefull
13:07 kmkale where are we with that git for dummies we had discussed in some past irc meeting? ;) I need it..
13:06 gmcharlt yw
13:06 kmkale Thanks a bunch
13:06 kmkale :) yes that did it
13:03 kmkale ok let me try that..
13:02 gmcharlt you can try using git apply of the patch file form /home/kk/koha-dev
13:01 kmkale so is there a easy way of updating the zebra config files?
13:01 gmcharlt ah, ok - that's what I thought
13:01 kmkale gmcharlt: humm not so. zebra config files are in /home/kk/koha-dev/etc/zebradb/etc and this install tree is in /home/kk/kohaclone/etc/zebradb/etc
12:53 kmkale running rebuild now
12:51 gmcharlt that makes it easy
12:51 kmkale zebra config is under the dev tree for this dev install
12:49 gmcharlt note that you'll have to update the zebra config files actually invoked by zebrarsv with those changes before you reindex
12:46 kmkale it does. cool. Thanks..
12:45 gmcharlt it should show you the patch you just applied
12:45 gmcharlt if you do git show
12:45 gmcharlt the whitespace errors can be ignored
12:44 kmkale warning: 1 line adds whitespace errors.
12:44 kmkale Koha is free software; you can redistribute it and/or modify it under
12:44 kmkale /home/kk/kohaclone/.git/rebase-apply/patch:40: trailing whitespace.
12:44 kmkale Applying: use of icu.xml
12:44 kmkale kk@kk:~/kohaclone$ git am -3 -u icu.patch
12:44 kmkale gmcharlt: it gave
12:41 kmkale oh. Thanks. Let me try that right away..
12:40 gmcharlt right - but note that what you want to download is the 'raw' link from that page
12:40 kmkale tyhen apply with git-apply?
12:40 kmkale so should I download the diff from the link and save it as a patch file?
12:39 gmcharlt if so, git apply <patch_file> or git am -3 -u <patch_file> shoudl do it
12:39 kmkale yes the patch proposed in the above likn is what I want to apply to my local dev install
12:36 gmcharlt kmkale: what do you have - a patch file?
12:36 kmkale How would I go about it? what git command?
12:35 kmkale I have pulled from git and want to apply http://git.biblibre.com/cgi-bin/gitweb.cgi?p=koha;a=commitdiff;h=b4068c1da33de36019bf4192150b6234bb8c7dbf;hp=a739ed37ef5e289cf6ac9815acd9fc6ede052bfc#patch1
12:35 kmkale hi guys i have a very newb query about applying patches
12:06 jwagner :-)
12:05 gmcharlt jwagner: a check for 500,000 virtual simoleons is in the mail
12:04 jwagner gmcharlt, remember that I claim copyright & demand royalties :-)
12:04 jwagner Harrumph!
11:59 kf lunch time (finally)
11:59 kf :)
11:59 collum harrumph++
11:58 gmcharlt jwagner: I'm pleased to report that your harrumphing meme has spread to Equinox
11:57 * collum mumbles in agreement.
11:57 gmcharlt worse, it does this EVERY SINGLE DAY
11:51 * jwagner mumbles about morning coming too EARLY in the day....
11:44 kf hi jwagner
11:43 gmcharlt hi jwagner
11:41 jwagner Good morning all.
10:30 kf ah ok, will send it as attachement - thx gmcharlt!
10:29 gmcharlt kf: to preserve his attribution, you could attach his patch to your email
10:28 kf I have to resend a patch from my colleague from my email address (he was not subscribed) - just write his name in it as comment?
10:28 kf good morning gmcharlt
10:23 gmcharlt good morning
10:15 munin chris_n: The current temperature in Dunn, North Carolina is 5.3�C (6:12 AM EDT on March 19, 2010). Conditions: Clear. Humidity: 72%. Dew Point: 1.0�C. Windchill: 5.0�C. Pressure: 29.50 in 998.9 hPa (Rising).
10:15 chris_n @wunder 28334
09:57 Amit_G heya paul_p
08:50 hdl_laptop hi all
08:48 kf hi Ropuch
08:48 Ropuch [;
08:48 Ropuch Hi kf ;[
08:46 kf hi #koha
08:36 chris evening
07:28 munin cait: The current temperature in Taegerwilen, Germany is 5.1�C (8:18 AM CET on March 19, 2010). Conditions: Clear. Humidity: 84%. Dew Point: 3.0�C. Windchill: 5.0�C. Pressure: 30.30 in 1026.0 hPa (Steady).
07:28 cait @wunder Konstanz
07:10 Ropuch Morning #koha
06:57 Amit_G hi all
02:19 wizzyrea_laptop ttyl :)
02:19 wizzyrea_laptop ok, I'm done fiddling with koha-community.org for tonight. Time to make some virtual creatures bleed
02:12 gmcharlt chris: cool
02:08 wizzyrea_laptop gnite
02:08 chris_n time to call it a day, g'night
02:07 wizzyrea_laptop oh dear
02:07 * chris_n 's eyes are crossed after reading the openid spec's... 8-Z
02:04 wizzyrea_laptop http://koha-community.org/support/search-bugs/
02:04 wizzyrea_laptop actually, I moved it
01:50 wizzyrea_laptop http://koha-community.org/search-bugs/
01:37 wizzyrea_laptop http://wordpress.org/extend/plugins/openid/
01:37 wizzyrea_laptop it's php, but this is the implementation we use on koha-community.org
01:35 chris_n its a bit dated, but might provide some idea for how to get there from here
01:35 chris_n yeah, I was just looking at Net::OpenID::Consumer
01:35 wizzyrea_laptop the hard part is probably associating your openid with your koha account
01:34 wizzyrea_laptop you know, chris_n, there's a wp plugin for openid, It can't be that hard to implement
01:34 wizzyrea_laptop i'm beginning to see why you like it
01:33 wizzyrea_laptop can you openid with bugzilla?
01:32 wizzyrea_laptop ooh, good luck
01:32 chris ok, off to talk koha architecture with larsw
01:32 wizzyrea_laptop jing is like, amazing
01:32 wizzyrea_laptop much easier to just SHOW you
01:32 chris :)
01:32 wizzyrea_laptop :P
01:32 wizzyrea_laptop which is why we use jing
01:32 wizzyrea_laptop decent bug reports *are* hard to come by
01:31 wizzyrea_laptop HAHA
01:31 chris OOPS did i say that outloud
01:31 chris its easier to say its too hard than to write decent bug reports
01:30 wizzyrea_laptop just as many nerd knobs to be sure
01:30 wizzyrea_laptop its no worse than your common OPAC
01:30 wizzyrea_laptop i'm not sure why librarians are so intimidated by it
01:30 chris_n yup, it looks very nice
01:29 wizzyrea_laptop ie making some canned searches and putting a pretty front end on it
01:29 * chris_n is always going off on tangents
01:29 wizzyrea_laptop I was trying to think of ways to make bugzilla more friendly
01:29 chris_n that's what set me off on the openid tangent
01:29 chris_n :)
01:29 chris_n <chris_n> wizzyrea_away: nice
01:28 wizzyrea_laptop what do you think of this: http://koha-community.org/about/enhancing-koha/
01:28 wizzyrea_laptop oh chris_n
01:25 * chris_n wonders if http://trac.butterfat.net/public/mod_auth_openid could be used to integrate openid into koha
01:22 wizzyrea_laptop *yawn*
01:07 chris_n wizzyrea_away: nice
01:05 chris_n heya chris
01:04 chris hi chris_n
01:04 * chris_n wanders by