Time Nick Message 00:49 chris crazy day 01:03 * SelfishMan looks around room 01:03 * SelfishMan decides to go back to sleep 01:04 * chris_n follows SelfishMan's example 01:04 SelfishMan I'm just going to assume that the PTFS thing is a nightmare 01:50 joetho2 i think it meets most definitions 01:51 joetho2 wierd 01:51 joetho2 a little horrible 01:52 joetho2 recurring 01:52 joetho2 you sound crazy when you try to explain it to someone else 02:28 * larsw prepares to send a 33 part patch series to koha-patches, hopefully it will go OK 02:56 chris :) 06:53 IrmaCalyx Hi all 06:57 chris hiya IrmaCalyx 07:03 IrmaCalyx Hi Chris 07:03 chris how goes sydney? 07:04 IrmaCalyx Calyx & Co is doing fine thks 07:05 chris good to hear :) 07:05 Ropuch Morning #koha 07:12 chris hiya Ropuch 07:45 chris hi laurence 07:45 laurence hi chris 08:16 nagaindian_chen hi all i am the new user 08:19 nagaindian_chen from Chennai 08:21 nagaindian_chen i got training from university of madras koha workshop last week 08:24 chris cool 08:25 chris hi alex_a, hows the 2nd day going? :) 08:26 hdl_laptop hi 08:26 chris hiya hdl_laptop, ltns 08:26 chris hows things going? 08:50 slef hdl_laptop: can you pull smallbugs from git://git.gitorious.org/koha/mainline.git please? It contains a backported fix for Bug 2547 which ought to get into 3.0.x. 08:50 munin 04Bug http://bugs.koha.org/cgi-bin/bugzilla3/show_bug.cgi?id=2547 normal, P3, ---, jmf@liblime.com, NEW, $ sign in boraccount / fines / account tab 08:50 slef morning all 08:55 chris hi slef 08:58 Ropuch Hi slef 08:58 chris slef: can you push 3.0.x to gitorious please 08:58 chris i just killed it by accident 09:00 slef chris: will do 09:01 chris thanks 09:15 slef chris: I think that's done. Had a little local problem during pull. 09:17 Ropuch chris: are you still in chrage of pootle? 09:18 Ropuch I've just registered an account for our trainee, so he can make some suggestion that i can review later 09:19 slef just read the PTFS buys LibLime news, including the "PTFS pledges to enhance and maintain the www.koha.org site" bit :-( 09:19 Ropuch But with the new account I'm able to add/delete entries in translations - they don't show as suggestions 09:22 chris slef: yeah, i think we just continue on with koha-community and let PTFS come to us when they decide to join the community 09:22 chris Ropuch: whats the username? 09:39 paul_p hello world 09:39 paul_p chris about ? 09:40 slef hi paul_p 09:40 chris hiya paul_p 09:40 slef chris was about 0921 09:40 paul_p I think everybody already knows that PTFS has bought LL (finally !) 09:42 paul_p the important sentence on the PR is : "PTFS pledges to enhance and maintain the www.koha.org site as the focal point for the world’ s Koha activities– the place to find the latest information on Koha support, documentation, news, and downloads." 09:42 chris yeah, slef and I commented on that already 09:43 chris i would be much much much happier if it said 09:43 chris PTFS pledges to work with the rest of the koha community to ..... 09:43 chris as it stands it reads like 'we plan to be like liblime and do whatever we want' 09:44 chris what i said earlier was 09:44 chris 22:22 < chris> slef: yeah, i think we just continue on with koha-community and let PTFS come to us when they decide to join the community 10:07 paul_p back from phone call... 10:07 chris :) 10:07 paul_p my opinion on this is that it would have been more clear if PTFS had written : "PTFS pledges to re-open" instead of "PTFS pledges to enhance and maintain" 10:08 paul_p but i'm an optimitic man, so, i'll say it will be a good news at the end. 10:08 chris :) 10:08 slef hope for the best but prepare for the worst 10:09 slef do we think the "it's all off" was one side trying to move the price? 10:09 chris who knows, US business practices make my brain hurt 10:09 paul_p I had JY on phone 3 weeks ago. He asked me a question that sounded strange, but now is more clear : "what would make the community happy". I answered "just give back koha.org to the community". he added "is that all?" I answered "maybe give back the trademark, but that's a US specific problem we don't have in Europe" 10:10 paul_p my feeling (totally un-argued) is that PTFS realised they could say "no" to the LL price and just would have to wait a little bit to see LL going back and say "OK, which price do you want to pay" 10:10 paul_p if I'm right, then, they were right to do that ;-) 10:11 paul_p + josh had only 2 options : sell at the PTFS price or loose everything 10:11 chris we'll probably never know 10:11 paul_p right 10:11 chris and im not sure it even matters :) 10:12 chris as i see it, the ball is in ptfs court, we just keep on keeping on, and they do whatever they decide to do 10:12 paul_p i agree with you. 10:13 paul_p but i'll send a mail to JY to congratulate him & say i've noticed the "PTFS pledges...", and ask for what it could mean 10:15 chris cant hurt 10:39 Ropuch http://blog.okfn.org/2010/03/15/libraries-in-cologne-open-up-bibliographic-data/ 10:42 gmcharlt greetings 10:42 chris_n g'morning gmcharlt 10:43 * chris_n goes to scare up breakfast 10:43 gmcharlt then you cook it? ;) 10:43 gmcharlt sounds rather labor intensive 10:45 chris morning usa 10:45 gmcharlt hi chris 10:45 chris the cormack family goes to the football http://photos.bigballofwax.co.nz/gallery2/main.php?g2_itemId=72383 10:46 gmcharlt hopefully now that Jo is a "mover and shaker", she'll be listened to more regarding Koha community requests ;) 10:46 gmcharlt atu looks like a little bee 10:47 gmcharlt oops, sorry, wrong kid 10:47 chris_n gmcharlt: not too labor intensive... bagals and microwave bacon :) 10:47 chris http://www.stuff.co.nz/sport/football/3417255/Audio-slideshow-Phoenix-vs-Jets 10:48 chris kahu loves singing the "wellington is wonderful song" ... it was really loud, you can hear the goals (if you have sound onr your computer, that sound is from the microphone on the pitch) 10:50 chris "wellington is wonderful, we have the wind, the rain, and the phoenix" :) 10:51 gmcharlt and sponsorship by Sony, I see :) 10:51 chris the club is mostly bankrolled by one guy 10:52 gmcharlt one of the guys in suits in the slideshow? 10:52 chris yep 10:52 chris its the only nz team, in the australian league, and the only team that sells out its stadium :) 10:53 braedon|home well, this year 10:53 braedon|home previously, not so much 10:54 chris since its been in wellington it has had consistently bigger crowds than the australian teams 10:54 chris when it was auckland .. yeah it had about 5 people :) 10:54 braedon|home haha 10:54 chris i saw the kings play, they were horrible 11:28 chris i reckon catalyst could run a smoulder server gmcharlt 11:28 chris i had one running for stuff 11:28 chris so i know how to set it up 11:29 chris and now, bed time 11:36 gmcharlt chris: cool 11:36 gmcharlt and good night 12:16 jwagner Good morning all 12:16 collum Good morning jwagner 12:17 * jwagner must not be awake yet. Started to head into the kitchen to get my tea, then realized it was sitting in front of me. 12:18 jwagner hdl_laptop or paul_p, online? 12:23 owen Hi everyone 12:24 gmcharlt hi jwagner 12:24 jwagner Hi 12:25 gmcharlt hi schuster 12:27 paul_p hi jwagner & everyone 12:28 jwagner paul_p, question for you. I'm working through the 3.2 version, and you have a syspref for OpacPrivacy. I can't find where to apply it, though. Am I missing something? 12:28 paul_p jwagner, I don't understand your question 12:29 jwagner I thought you had a feature for anonymizing patron reading history in this version, and the OpacPrivacy syspref seems to be for that, but I can't see that it does anything. Is there something else that needs to be set? 12:29 schuster Hey all - looks like another day of speculation! 12:30 paul_p maybe the patch hasn't been applied by gmcharlt ? 12:30 paul_p schuster, right ! maybe we have more interesting things to do (like hacking ;-) ) 12:30 jwagner I'm trying to identify where we have parallel development -- we have a feature for wiping reading history too. 12:30 jwagner schuster, speculation is our middle name :-) 12:30 gmcharlt paul_p: opacprivacy is present in the code 12:31 jwagner Turning the syspref off or on doesn't seem to make a difference, though -- I can still see old checkouts. 12:31 gmcharlt hmm, bug, then, I suppose 12:32 paul_p jwagner : the privacy is applied only when you run the anonymizer 12:33 jwagner A script? 12:33 paul_p tools/cleanborrowers.pl 12:33 jwagner OK, I'll check that out. Thanks. 12:35 jwagner I didn't see a place for the patron to opt in or out, though -- is it all or nothing? i.e., every patron's history will get wiped? 12:35 paul_p jwagner, there's a script opac-privacy.pl 12:35 paul_p where the patron can say 1- never anonymise, 2- follow the library rules 3- immediatly anonymize 12:36 jwagner But where does the patron say that? I'm logged into the OPAC and I don't see an option. 12:41 paul_p jwagner, just sent you the patch I submitted in december 12:42 paul_p in opac-user.pl (where usermenu.inc is used), there is a new tab "my privacy" 12:43 paul_p that is displayed if syspref "OPacPrivacy" is ON 12:43 jwagner Got it. Is that in head yet? I updated my system yesterday but am not seeing that tab. 12:43 jwagner The syspref is on. 12:44 paul_p just look in usermenu.inc, you should see "my privacy" 12:44 paul_p if it is not, then ping galen and ask him about what may have happend ;-) 12:45 jwagner pinging gmcharlt :-) I don't see that code in usermenu.inc. 12:46 * gmcharlt will check 12:46 gmcharlt jwagner: would you happen to have a synopsis of the areas of parallel development you've done? 12:46 paul_p gmcharlt, do you need my december patch ? 12:47 gmcharlt paul_p: nope, the archive has all 12:48 jwagner Overall I see about five major areas where we have overlap. In a couple of cases, I think we can merge ours into yours; we're going to have to look at the others more closely. 12:49 gmcharlt what are the five areas? 12:49 jwagner The problem children are going to be batch item edit, batch item delete (both of which I think we can combine ours into BibLibre's), bib merge, reading history, and fast add. 12:49 jwagner There are a couple of others where our development was almost identical. These five, though, take different approaches. 12:51 jwagner bib merge may be the easiest -- we took very different approaches, and both may be able to coexist without conflict. The question is whether that would be too confusing for users. 12:52 gmcharlt that one may be resolved by having both in early 3.4 and seeing which one works best before settling on one when 3.4 is released 12:53 paul_p gmcharlt, we already have our bib merge in 3.2 (I think) 12:53 gmcharlt right 12:53 gmcharlt the PTFS version would go into 3.4, and we'd see which one "wins" 12:53 jwagner paul_p, ours is a different approach (lives under tools) -- there would be no direct code conflict, I think. Just usability questions. 12:53 gmcharlt or else just have a system preference to choose one or the other 12:54 gmcharlt in the long run, though, there would be a code maintenance issue 12:54 paul_p ( my fault, but we have some other new features on the way, that I should add to the wiki...) 12:54 gmcharlt paul_p: yep, get on that, please :) 12:54 paul_p like bulkedit biblio 12:54 jwagner And to bugzilla? 12:54 paul_p jwagner, yep, on both 12:54 gmcharlt yep 12:55 paul_p did everyone see my announcement about alex_a being the new BibLibre developer ? (started yesterday) 12:55 gmcharlt hi alex_a 12:55 jwagner I think all of our current devel list is in bugzilla except for maybe one or two. I have some new devel that I need to get sorted out & entered. 12:55 jwagner Welcome alex_a 12:56 alex_a Hi 12:56 alex_a hi gmcharlt 12:56 alex_a thanks jwagner 12:57 owen Hi alex_a 13:12 CGI445 hello 13:26 jwagner @quote random 13:26 munin jwagner: Quote #44: "<thd> People make bugs fairly much in the degree to which they contribute to the code" (added by gmcharlt at 04:07 PM, October 30, 2009) 13:27 schuster Question for you programmer type and release managers... I am working on a command line batch load utility which is about done. We mimicked the staff interface, and in doing so there are "responses/defaults" that can be done during a load. 13:29 schuster What our programmer did was to direct it to a file so if the table row was referenced as it loaded the file would also load the default. My question is - where should that "default" file live? I see the borrower_import_command.pl living in the cronjobs folder so is it ok for this "default" file to live there as well? 13:37 schuster Jane can't decide who she wants to be today... watch out that either means lots of productivity or looking for a way to not be productive. 13:37 jwagner Harrumph. 13:37 schuster jdavidb - must not be around... ;) 13:38 jwagner schuster, I'm ALWAYS looking for a way to avoid doing any work :-) Sometimes that involves more work than doing the original work would have..... 13:38 gmcharlt schuster: misc/cronjobs is fine for now for that file 13:40 schuster thanks gmcharlt - he had setup a new directory during testing to house his temporary testing files, but I'm going to have him tweak a couple other things before we submit this. I need to do a little more testing on 3.2 as it was based on 3.0 code, but I don't think there were any patron load modifications for 3.2. 14:33 rhcl Quote "do we think the "it's all off" was one side trying to move the price" de slef 14:33 rhcl yes, clearly so 14:33 slef hi rhcl 14:33 slef any guess as to which way? ;-) 14:34 * owen would think the buyer had the power 14:37 rhcl Hey slef 14:43 wizzyrea_laptop humbug. 14:53 hilongo bgkriegel: Hola Bernardo! :) 14:57 hdl_laptop gmcharlt: have you received the many bug fix patches I have been sending this week ? 14:57 gmcharlt hdl_laptop: yep, I'm going through them 14:58 hdl_laptop cool 15:00 bgkriegel hi hilongo 15:12 hdl_laptop Hola migue 15:12 hdl_laptop l 15:31 jwagner @wunder 20817 15:31 munin jwagner: The current temperature in Langley Fork Park, McLean, Virginia is 13.6�C (11:30 AM EDT on March 16, 2010). Conditions: Clear. Humidity: 42%. Dew Point: 1.0�C. Pressure: 30.03 in 1016.8 hPa (Steady). 15:35 miguel-xercode hello henrry 15:58 schuster grumbles as can't get the table sorter to work on intranet detail.pl... 15:59 owen Does your javascript match the table ID? Does the table have a <thead> and a <tbody> ? 16:01 schuster Yes on table ID, checking on tbody I know it has a thead. 16:03 brendan afternoon #koha 16:03 schuster now does have a tbody - but still no cute little dropdowns arrows for sorting. blah... 16:03 sekjal afternoon, brendan 16:06 schuster My biggest concern is where the function is on the detail.tmpl on the intranet there are LOTS of functions there. 16:51 brendan @weather 05334 16:51 munin brendan: Error: HTTP Error 500: Server Error 16:51 brendan @weather 05344 16:51 moodaepo @weather 56001 16:51 munin brendan: The current temperature in Southern Vermont, Newfane, Vermont is 10.8�C (12:40 PM EDT on March 16, 2010). Conditions: Clear. Humidity: 28%. Dew Point: -7.0�C. Pressure: 30.18 in 1021.9 hPa (Rising). 16:51 munin moodaepo: The current temperature in South on Monks, Mankato, Minnesota is 4.3�C (11:46 AM CDT on March 16, 2010). Conditions: Overcast. Humidity: 92%. Dew Point: 3.0�C. Windchill: 1.0�C. Pressure: 30.30 in 1026.0 hPa (Rising). 16:52 wizzyrea_laptop @wunder lawrence ks 16:52 munin wizzyrea_laptop: The current temperature in Channel 6 Downtown, Lawrence, Kansas is 4.8�C (11:51 AM CDT on March 16, 2010). Conditions: Overcast. Humidity: 88%. Dew Point: 3.0�C. Windchill: 2.0�C. Pressure: 30.36 in 1028.0 hPa (Rising). 17:22 chris_n @wunder 28334 17:22 munin chris_n: The current temperature in Dunn, North Carolina is 11.3�C (1:20 PM EDT on March 16, 2010). Conditions: Overcast. Humidity: 26%. Dew Point: -8.0�C. Pressure: 29.65 in 1003.9 hPa (Rising). 17:23 chris morning 17:23 sekjal morning, chris 17:23 owen Hi chris 17:23 chris_n g'morning chris 18:14 collum @wunder 41011 18:14 munin collum: The current temperature in Newport Aquarium, Newport, Kentucky is 14.9�C (2:10 PM EDT on March 16, 2010). Conditions: Mostly Cloudy. Humidity: 42%. Dew Point: 2.0�C. Pressure: 30.15 in 1020.9 hPa (Falling). 18:23 owen @wunder 45701 18:23 munin owen: The current temperature in Ohio University, Athens, Ohio is 13.9�C (2:16 PM EDT on March 16, 2010). Conditions: Clear. Humidity: 44%. Dew Point: 2.0�C. Pressure: 29.90 in 1012.4 hPa (Rising). 18:24 owen Somewhere between Kentucky and North Carolina. Makes a certain amount of sense I guess. 18:39 jwagner @quote random 18:39 munin jwagner: Quote #22: "<jdavidb> owen: you wouldn't know this, being the skinny thing you are, but it is also good for maintaining a panoramic physique, like mine." (added by gmcharlt at 12:24 PM, August 06, 2009) 18:39 * wizzyrea_laptop wonders what "it" is 18:40 * collum was sort of filling in the blanks. 18:41 owen I'm pretty sure it was bacon. 18:41 collum That was one of my blanks. 18:42 jwagner I think there are other bacon-related quotes, so that's likely.... 18:49 chris ok bus time 18:49 chris back in 40 mins or so 19:08 * chris_n wishes for a huge bacon cheeseburger 19:08 wizzyrea_laptop me too, actually. Dangit, now I'm hungry 19:10 * jwagner had a sudden flash to that commercial about the dog demanding BACON!!! 19:11 jwagner Now I'm hungry too! 19:15 * chris_n passes around virtual-burgers... which are only slightly worse than soy-burgers 19:15 * jwagner is suddenly not hungry any more.... 19:32 cm can anyone tell me if the librarian login on 3.2 has been moved to the right side of the screen recently (rather than centered) or is it just something I did? 19:35 owen cm you must have done something 19:35 cm i figured! i feel less crazy now. thanks, owen. 19:35 jwagner I've seen that occasionally -- just refresh the page. 19:36 owen Incomplete stylesheet load maybe? 19:36 cm hmm, maybe. jwagner: it's been that way a while now on my test server. 19:50 chris back 19:51 chris lol 19:51 chris ed sharpe, 9 years of moaning 19:52 chris its gotta be a record 19:52 owen Nice, hunh? 19:52 chris yeah he shoulda added, and give me LCCN too!!! 19:53 chris i could reply and say, the way i remember it, and the list archives confirm you spent years demanding the community to write some code free of charge for you 19:53 richard :) 19:53 chris and that is the sum total of your contribution 19:54 chris but i think ill just vent here instead :) 19:58 CGI436 Hi guys 19:58 chris hi CGI436 19:58 CGI436 I'm getting a mysql error in my koha-error.log, and I can't check out some items to some people 20:00 chris whats the error? 20:00 CGI436 [Tue Mar 16 11:43:15 2010] [error] [client 10.161.4.68] [Tue Mar 16 11:43:15 2010] circulation.pl: DBD::mysql::st execute failed: You have an error in your SQL syntax; check the manual that corresponds to your MySQL server version for the right syntax to use near 'FROM issuingrules, , referer: <host>/cgi-bin/koha/circ/circulation.pl [Tue Mar 16 11:43:15 2010] [error] [client 10.161.4.68] [Tue Mar 16 11:43:15 2010] circulation.pl: 20:01 CGI436 I should have put separate lines on separate lines 20:01 CGI436 [Tue Mar 16 11:43:15 2010] [error] [client 10.161.4.68] [Tue Mar 16 11:43:15 2010] circulation.pl: DBD::mysql::st execute failed: You have an error in your SQL syntax; check the manual that corresponds to your MySQL server version for the right syntax to use near 'FROM issuingrules, , referer: <host>/cgi-bin/koha/circ/circulation.pl 20:01 CGI436 [Tue Mar 16 11:43:15 2010] [error] [client 10.161.4.68] [Tue Mar 16 11:43:15 2010] circulation.pl: issues , referer: <host>/cgi-bin/koha/circ/circulation.pl 20:01 chris http://paste.workbuffer.org/ 20:01 chris is a good way to paste those things 20:01 CGI436 [Tue Mar 16 11:43:15 2010] [error] [client 10.161.4.68] [Tue Mar 16 11:43:15 2010] circulation.pl: LEFT JOIN ite' at line 3 at /usr/share/koha/lib/C4/Circulation.pm line 2079., referer: <host>/cgi-bin/koha/circ/circulation.pl 20:02 chris sounds like you are missing some issuing rules ... what version of koha? you can find out on the about page 20:03 pastebot "CGI436" at 192.168.15.101 pasted "mysql error" (4 lines) at http://paste.workbuffer.org/18 20:03 CGI436 3.01.00.124 20:03 chris ta 20:04 CGI436 I was able to run the mysql query in question against my mysql server via the command line without any problem 20:04 chris so pretty close to latest master .. (one db update back) 20:05 chris hmm that error message doesnt have the full query 20:05 CGI436 let me see if I miss pasted 20:08 pastebot "CGI436" at 192.168.15.101 pasted "mysql error" (3 lines) at http://paste.workbuffer.org/19 20:10 chris_n CGI436: is that paste correct? 20:10 chris still only looks like a fraction of the query 20:11 CGI436 That's all that shows up in the logs. 20:11 chris how did you test it then? 20:11 CGI436 There's only one query in circulation.pl that uses issuingrules 20:11 chris yes but it contains different variables every time 20:12 CGI436 It binds to a constant 20:12 chris it depends on the itemtype and the branch and the borrower category 20:13 CGI436 Let me look. It seemed to me it got a table of values 20:14 chris starts at line 2065 in C4/Circulation.pm 20:15 chris great big query, with lots of joins 20:15 pastebot "CGI436" at 192.168.15.101 pasted "issuing rules query" (6 lines) at http://paste.workbuffer.org/20 20:15 chris yeah thats not the query your error is complaing about 20:15 chris see /usr/share/koha/lib/C4/Circulation.pm line 2079 20:16 sekjal the CanBookBeRenewed function 20:16 chris *nod* 20:16 CGI436 Great, I thought I was going crazy. 20:18 CGI436 So does this mean my "issuing rules" table is improperly structured, or improperly populated? 20:20 chris_n bbl 20:21 chris im guessing the latter 20:21 chris but it could be the former too :) 20:21 CGI436 The news keeps getting better. Am I right in thinking that I should be able to fix this via the web interface? 20:22 chris could you put a warn 20:22 chris actually ignore that 20:22 chris yeah check the circulation rules first 20:22 chris /cgi-bin/koha/admin/smart-rules.pl 20:23 CGI436 Thanks for your help. I'll be back if I can't make progress. 20:23 chris good luck 20:48 * russ goes to get a coffee before meeting 20:49 CGI436 chris, are you still there? 20:50 chris yep, 10 minutes until a meeting about kohcon10 though :) 20:50 * richard follows russ' lead 20:50 CGI436 Thanks for your help. 20:50 CGI436 I wasn't able to find anything in my rules, but I don't really know what I'm looking for 20:50 CGI436 The problem occurs when I try and check out something that doesn't circulate 20:51 CGI436 to a faculty member 20:51 CGI436 but not when I try and check out the same item to myself. 20:51 CGI436 When I check out to myself, I get a litlle "do you want to override" message 20:52 CGI436 I just get a yellow bar without the override option when I check out to the faculty member. 20:52 CGI436 Does that spark anything in your imagination? 20:56 chris and if you try a different itemtype? 20:57 CGI436 Do you mean try to check out an item of a different type, or change the type associated with this item? 20:58 BobB Good morning #koha 20:58 Ropuch Try to check different item first - then you should be able to identify if problem is associated with patron-type or item-type 20:58 Ropuch Good evening #Koha 20:58 Jo hi all 20:59 CGI436 O.K. Ropuh 20:59 BobB Hi Jo 20:59 CGI436 Thanks for your help, chris I know you've got to get to the meeting, and I've got to get out of here myself. 21:00 richard hi Jo 21:00 richard and BobB and Ropuch 21:01 russ ok so KohaCon10 Volunteers meeting 21:01 russ time to start 21:01 russ who is here? 21:01 Jo Joann Ransomn, HLT 21:01 * russ -> Russel Garlic, Catalyst IT 21:01 Jo Deborah Macdonald, HLT 21:01 richard Richard Anderson, Katipo 21:01 BobB Bob Birchall, CALYX 21:02 * gmcharlt = Galen Charlton, Equinox, listening in 21:02 miguel-xercode Miguel Calvo, Xercode 21:02 Ropuch Piotr Wejman, Biblioteka CSNE (just an observer) 21:03 liw Lars Wirzenius, Catalyst (just observing for now) 21:04 russ ok pretty light turn out today 21:04 russ anyone know where nengard is? 21:04 chris Chris Cormack, Catalyst 21:04 chris sick 21:04 BobB Irma will join in a minute 21:05 Brooke hi 21:05 chris heya Brooke, we are just doing intros 21:05 russ ok so agenda - http://wiki.koha.org/doku.php?id=en:kohacon2010:volunteers#march_10am_nzst 21:05 russ so on the first topic 21:05 russ 1. Speakers/call for papers update 21:05 russ I'll sub for Nicole 21:06 russ We have had a number of papers lodged (i guess is the best way to say it) 21:06 russ but still looking for more. 21:06 Brooke awesome 21:06 chris yep, we have about 1 days worth, need a couple more 21:07 DebJo any obvious gaps? (I'd like to something buty havn't decided what yet :) 21:07 richard is there a list of what has been put forward so far? 21:07 BobB I thought I could do a paper on project governance - try to flesh out what it might mean and some options 21:07 Brooke brave man, you 21:08 russ BobB that would be cool 21:08 BobB Has anyone else offered to do that? 21:08 russ not as yet 21:08 Brooke ta da 21:08 russ nicole is the best one to talk about the papers 21:08 Brooke sold to the man in the second row 21:08 BobB The hardest part is 'what it is not' 21:08 chris koha in schools, koha + kete, faceted searching, open library and koha, setting up koha in a uni in india, one about GPL/sharing etc, and one from lee 21:08 russ and as she is not here 21:08 DebJo has walter put his hand up to do one on kete-koha 21:08 chris about their experisnce 21:08 chris yep DebJo 21:09 chris thats a brief summary 21:09 chris up there ^ 21:09 russ thanks chris 21:09 DebJo cheers 21:09 liw I assume there is still ample time to propose talks? 21:09 chris tons of time 21:09 russ yep august 21:09 russ so i think we are doing pretty well for the moment :-) 21:10 russ so in summary, we have some talks, we want more, don't be afraid to put a submission in 21:10 Brooke grand 21:10 russ and more talks from librarians would be awesome 21:10 DebJo i'm thinking something about librarians working 'different;y' when they get involved with koha ie open source community rather than with vendors 21:10 chris that would be choice jo 21:10 DebJo that old 'learned helplessnes' chestnut 21:11 chris battered library syndrome 21:11 russ i'll sign you up now :-) 21:11 DebJo lol 21:11 Brooke yes indeed 21:11 chris i heard it described as today 21:11 DebJo maybe Brooke or Nicole and I could do it together :) 21:11 DebJo panel discussion format 21:11 Brooke I will do whatever you or Chris tell me to, hence dogsbody 21:12 chris DebJo: i think its best coming from a librarian, so you and brooke maybe 21:12 DebJo cool 21:12 chris you dont want vendors telling you how to behave with vendors :-) 21:13 Brooke psha 21:13 chris oh i know the title of your talk 21:13 Brooke next thing you say will be "You know, you should do open source stuff" ;) 21:13 chris "Dude, its my library," 21:13 DebJo I'm not hip enough :) 21:13 chris heh 21:14 Ropuch ;> 21:14 russ righto moving on 21:14 russ Item 2 Website 21:15 * Brooke takes cover 21:15 russ ok so we have registered a domain name 21:15 chris http://www.kohacon10.org.nz/ 21:15 chris *shazam* 21:15 russ so please update your links 21:15 russ and we have a logo 21:16 Brooke loves it 21:16 russ our designer tells us it is a play on rebirth and building upon each others work with the egg 21:16 DebJo I do too 21:16 russ anyways 21:16 russ there is a bunch more content up there now 21:16 russ thanks to reed for the content on how to get to little old NZ from the US 21:17 reed np 21:17 Brooke dunno about this week 21:17 Brooke but last week airfares dipped substantially 21:17 Brooke from about 1500 to about 1000 lowest 21:17 chris lee has booked her tickets already 21:17 chris hopefully last week 21:18 DebJo I've booked my apartment already 21:18 russ :-) 21:18 russ rachel is going to be working on a partners programme/ideas for parteners and kids when she gets back from her trip 21:18 DebJo yay Rach 21:18 Brooke unfortunately, there is no way a charter jet is viable unless we rob a bank or steal a corporate one 21:19 Brooke but I did check into it 21:19 chris :) 21:19 gmcharlt the chartering or the stealing^Wborrowing? 21:19 Brooke >.> 21:19 Brooke <.< 21:19 Brooke all of the above 21:19 gmcharlt :) 21:20 russ i think the site all hangs together now and there are no dead links, but if anyone spots anything, please let either chris or myself know 21:20 Brooke will do 21:20 richard sure 21:20 russ i am still looking for ideas around t-shirt printing 21:21 russ i was thinking cafepress, but there was some talk of that being a bit pricey 21:21 gmcharlt would a redirect from kohacon10.koha-community.org to http://www.kohacon10.org.nz/ be out of order? 21:21 Brooke http://www.souders1918.com/ 21:21 Brooke they'll print anything on anything else 21:21 chris nope, seems fine to me gmcharlt 21:21 liw russ, would it be helpful to run a link checker against the site? 21:21 Brooke might not be the cheapest, but they usually don't screw up, and if they do they fixerate it 21:21 DebJo cafepress do good quality sweatshirts and heavy tees though 21:22 russ Brooke: thanks i'll have a look 21:22 russ liw: you offering? :-) 21:22 liw russ, sure 21:22 russ liw: great thanks 21:22 DebJo mayoral reception in Levin 21:23 russ one of our designers here at catalyst is working on a t-shirt design 21:23 Brooke hi Irma 21:23 IrmaCalyx G'day all 21:23 russ so once that is sorted, unless we find a better alternative we will set up cafepress shop for those who are interested 21:23 russ hi irma 21:23 DebJo very cool 21:24 russ content we would still like for the site 21:24 russ is some travel advice from the EU 21:24 russ and from AU 21:25 Brooke well the Aussies can just swim. 21:25 russ Aussies are very good at swimming 21:25 chris its cos all the animals try to kill them 21:25 russ but if anyone has anything to add there, just send it through to me 21:25 BobB Ha! The ditch is one of the roughest oceans!!:) 21:25 chris you have to be fast to survive in aus 21:26 russ but please encourage people to look at the site 21:26 russ chris: we might need to take the video of the kingswood racing off the template :-) 21:26 chris :) 21:26 chris thats on their cos that video was made by librarians :) 21:27 russ heh 21:27 DebJo hey should we be putting logos up of the other businesses which have sponsored conference 21:27 BobB DebJo: Mayoral reception? Was that a serious suggestion? 21:27 russ DebJo getting there 21:27 russ and BoB can we handle that last please 21:27 DebJo cool. 21:27 BobB OK 21:28 DebJo yes - serious offer ogf a mayoral recption. 21:28 russ ok item3 Sponsorship 21:28 DebJo councillors are keen, asked me to ask Mayor. 21:28 russ DebJo can we cover that after sponsorship please 21:28 chris psst agenda DebJo :) 21:28 DebJo Thursday 28th Oct is suggested at 5ish 21:28 russ ok a big thanks to Irma and Bob for their donations 21:28 DebJo oops 21:29 chris calyx++ 21:29 russ we will be adding the Caylx logo to the site as soon as we get one through 21:29 DebJo go Calyx ++ 21:29 DebJo and libriotech too I guess 21:29 chris libriotech dont currently have a logo, which is why they are just listed 21:29 chris they would be the first logo otherwise as they donated first 21:29 russ Chris and I are working with another sponsor that means we will be able to meet our minimum target for the venue 21:30 DebJo fantastic 21:30 richard cool 21:30 DebJo just looking, the second depoist is not due until 25th July $1046.25 21:31 russ once i have sorted that out and finalised it, then i will go out to approach the other sponsors 21:31 russ DebJo: ah cool, good to know that 21:31 IrmaCalyx it would be nice to have some libraries as sponsors not just service providers... 21:31 DebJo HLT will kick in $500 21:31 russ i think that should be no problem 21:31 * Brooke cheers 21:31 russ thanks HLT :-) 21:31 DebJo (i'm thinking donation in lieu of registrtaion fee) 21:32 miguel-xercode I would like to know which are the economic conditions to become a sponsor 21:32 Brooke modest and scaling :) 21:32 russ miguel-xercode: not sure i understand 21:32 DebJo give enough that it feels good 21:32 IrmaCalyx DebJo ...I like that ! 21:33 BobB russ: Is it true that donations so far are in the range of $250 to $1,000 NZ - is that good guidance for others? 21:33 russ miguel-xercode: if you are interested in sponsoring, then perhaps we can talk off list 21:33 russ BobB: yep good point 21:33 miguel-xercode yes 21:34 DebJo dons to date: $250, $750, $1000 21:34 IrmaCalyx NZ $ 21:34 DebJo yep 21:34 miguel-xercode I want to talk tomorrow if possible 21:34 Brooke Chris makes the top donor Mickey Mouse flapjacks, ya? 21:35 russ miguel-xercode: great - i will msg you my contact details 21:35 DebJo yay miguel-xercode :) 21:35 miguel-xercode because Spain is a little late, and have a family to go to bed 21:35 Brooke thank you miguel 21:36 russ miguel-xercode: no problem, thank you for showing up today 21:37 chris sorry phone :( 21:37 russ ok so in summary, we have enough money to secure the venue, we will still be seeking more sponsorship so that we can provide more for attendees 21:37 russ but it is all going well at the moment, and will ramp up in April 21:37 Brooke wunderbar 21:37 * nengard Nicole Engard, ByWater Solutions (sorry I'm late) 21:37 russ gmcharlt: can you please send me the email addy of someone I can talk to at Equinox 21:37 Brooke Nicole! 21:37 nengard I'm sorry 21:37 gmcharlt russ: that would be me - gmc@esilibrary.com 21:38 nengard got hit with a round of vey sick feeling 21:38 DebJo hola! 21:38 gmcharlt hi nengard 21:38 russ gmcharlt: easy :-) 21:38 nengard did someone do my update for me? 21:38 Ropuch nengard: shouldn't you be just lying in bed and getting better? ;> 21:38 russ nengard: chris did a good summary for you 21:38 nengard thanks chris! 21:38 DebJo now git thee back to bed woman 21:38 nengard and Ropuch, yes, but I wanted to make to be here if I was needed 21:38 russ ok so that is the agenda sorted 21:38 russ just a note, i havent heard from Mark at ASHS 21:39 russ so no more detail on the road trip just yet 21:39 DebJo re road trip? 21:39 DebJo shall i email him since i first raised the issue 21:39 russ sure 21:39 DebJo and happy to back him up if he can't do that job 21:39 russ i think chris and i would like the road trip to be SEP :-) 21:40 liw what is this road trip? 21:40 DebJo as in seperate or September 21:40 russ someone else's problem :-) 21:40 richard someone else's problem 21:40 DebJo sweet as 21:40 russ once you have it sorted, just let us know the details and we can post it to the site 21:40 DebJo sure 21:41 Brooke dorky Librarian question 21:41 Brooke do we have a bibliography yet? 21:41 BobB Cos' folks will have to know - to book flight to Auckland, not Wellington 21:41 russ Brooke: no, you offering ? 21:42 nengard bibliography of what? 21:42 Brooke not that I think y'all would do so 21:42 Brooke reads to get you in the mood for conference 21:42 Brooke and help with travel and such 21:42 DebJo penguin history of NZ 21:42 russ right we have some travel related links on the site 21:43 BobB NZ History of Penguins:) 21:43 russ but if you want to write one up, then we can publish it sure 21:43 Brooke *nod* 21:43 DebJo (skip the 50s and 60s bit - was boring) 21:43 russ DebJo: so civic reception 21:44 DebJo k 21:44 russ what were your thoughts there? are the council going to pay for a bus or two? 21:44 chris liw: there is an idea for ppl flying into auckland to take a roadtrip down to wellington, with some of the koha librarians from auckland 21:44 DebJo at the trust meeting sthe councillors with library responsibilities asked me to write to the mayor and ask him to host a small civic reception in Levin for 100 - 150 people :) 21:45 DebJo curent mayor said yes - happy to. 21:45 DebJo but one proviso is we have an electin betweennow and then and if current mayor gets dumped new mayor may not want to... 21:45 russ ok sounds cool - so does that mean a logistics effort to get people from Wellington to Levin? 21:45 russ or is the council going to provide for that? 21:45 DebJo but my money says existing mayor is sitting pretty 21:46 DebJo so council would pay for the reception ie food and drinks 21:46 DebJo getting people wgtn to lvn and back again is not included. 21:46 russ right 21:46 DebJo but i would like to look at funding for a bus or 2 21:46 chris would need 2 or 34 21:46 chris heh 21:46 chris 2 or 3 21:46 russ right - i have a good contact at a bus company 21:46 DebJo and we could look at combining it with a dinner somewhere 21:47 BobB OK, so idea would be hire a bus, get to Levin, tour HLT, civic reception, return to Wellington - delegates pay bus fare? 21:47 DebJo so leave wgtn 4pm, 21:47 chris if the train wasnt so annoying could train to paraparaumu and bus from there 21:47 russ DebJo i suggest earlier than that 21:47 chris s/annoying/broken/ 21:47 russ 4pm is going to be hell to get through Kapiti 21:47 DebJo can I get some pricing together before thenext meeting? 21:47 russ that sounds fine 21:47 russ if you can come up with a proposal that would be great 21:48 russ and then we can discuss it 21:48 DebJo ok: we'll come back with a proposal incl pricing, timing etc. 21:48 russ if you like I can talk to my contact and get you some bus pricing as well 21:48 DebJo that would be brilliant Russ 21:48 russ ok so i think that is a good point to close 21:48 russ BobB and Irma I would like to catch up with you some time 21:49 russ to talk about some ideas 21:49 russ but at the rate it is going, it will be early next week before i have some clear time 21:49 russ i will ping you then 21:49 BobB russ: any time; today is OK 21:50 russ Any one got any last questions? or can I wrap this up? 21:50 BobB russ: next week is ok too 21:50 BobB Next meeting? 21:51 russ Monday 19th April 22:00 UTC 21:51 DebJo Thanks Russ - excellent job herding cats 21:51 russ that is Tuesday 20th, 10am NZ time 21:52 russ I will do the minutes sometime later today 21:52 DebJo thanks everyone 21:52 BobB Thanks Russ; thanks all 21:52 russ thanks all 21:52 Brooke see you in a monthish 21:52 richard thanks russ 21:53 * russ wanders off 21:53 IrmaCalyx Cheers all! 23:00 bankhead can't get Authen::CAS::Client to install -- any advice? 23:04 chris whats the error its giving you? 23:05 bankhead make test had returned bad status, won't install without force 23:06 bankhead when I did cpan Authen::CAS::Client 23:06 chris have you ever installed a module from the tarball, (not using cpan) 23:06 bankhead not yet 23:07 chris if so, i would suggest doing that, and seeing what test actually failed, and if its harmless do make install anyway 23:07 chris (it might be trying to connect to a cas server, which will fail as you dont have one) 23:07 bankhead ok 23:10 bankhead Authen-CAS-Client-0.05.tar.gz ? 23:10 chris yep 23:11 bankhead thx 23:34 bankhead make test said all good 23:36 chris cool, sudo make install 23:36 chris and you should be done 23:36 bankhead yeah I did sudo make install 23:36 chris cool 23:37 bankhead I think it is good 23:37 chris yep, should be fine 23:37 bankhead then can I go back and do my koha Makefile.pl again? 23:37 chris was that the only missing module? 23:38 bankhead that was on e of about 8-9 and I did all og them 23:38 chris if so, you dont need to run perl Makefile.PL again 23:38 bankhead does it mess it up to do over? 23:38 chris (unless you want to change how you answered your questions) 23:38 Jo Chris: i have to go to council meeting, but promise will check tocjkets after that 23:38 chris nope its no harm 23:38 bankhead ok 23:38 Jo tickets (even :) 23:38 bankhead thx 23:38 chris Jo: cool