Time Nick Message 23:59 psychokiller Koha error The following fatal error has occurred: DBD driver has not implemented the AutoCommit attribute at /usr/lib/perl5/DBI.pm line 705. Compilation failed in require at /usr/share/koha/lib/C4/Auth.pm line 30. BEGIN failed--compilation aborted at /usr/share/koha/lib/C4/Auth.pm line 30. Compilation failed in require at /usr/share/koha/intranet/cgi-bin/mainpage.pl line 23. BEGIN failed--compilation aborted 23:59 psychokiller is anybody here ? 23:45 munin psychokiller: Error: HTTP Error 500: Server Error 23:45 psychokiller @weather 00999 23:44 munin psychokiller: Error: HTTP Error 500: Server Error 23:44 psychokiller @weather 000007 23:44 munin psychokiller: The current temperature in South on Monks, Mankato, Minnesota is 1.9�C (5:42 PM CST on March 09, 2010). Conditions: Overcast. Humidity: 95%. Dew Point: 1.0�C. Windchill: -2.0�C. Pressure: 29.65 in 1003.9 hPa (Falling). Dense fog advisory in effect until 6 am CST Wednesday... 23:44 psychokiller @weather 56001 23:41 munin moodaepo: The current temperature in South on Monks, Mankato, Minnesota is 1.9�C (5:37 PM CST on March 09, 2010). Conditions: Overcast. Humidity: 95%. Dew Point: 1.0�C. Windchill: -2.0�C. Pressure: 29.65 in 1003.9 hPa (Falling). Dense fog advisory in effect until 6 am CST Wednesday... 23:41 moodaepo @weather 56001 23:40 moodaepo @wunder 56001 23:14 Ropuch Bye 23:14 psychokiller ok bye 23:14 psychokiller ill be here the day after tommorow 23:14 Ropuch I have german lesson in the evening ;> 23:13 psychokiller lol 23:13 psychokiller because i have a russian lesson 23:13 psychokiller i cant see you tommorow 23:13 Ropuch Good night 23:13 psychokiller actually 23:13 Ropuch Yep 23:13 psychokiller go to sleep 23:13 psychokiller ok 23:12 Ropuch wget http://d10xg45o6p6dbl.cloudfront.net/projects/k/koha/koha-3.00.05.tar.gz 23:12 psychokiller but how can i do that from a console ? 23:12 psychokiller a mirror ? 23:11 Ropuch it's not ok 23:11 Ropuch clean your ~/projekt-koha directory and try get koha from mirror 23:11 psychokiller should i proceed ? 23:11 psychokiller ok? 23:10 Ropuch ok 23:10 Ropuch huh 23:10 psychokiller with the tar.... command 23:10 psychokiller thats what i get after some activiyt 23:10 psychokiller no error there 23:10 psychokiller yes 23:09 Ropuch wget exitted without error? 23:08 Ropuch Hm 23:08 psychokiller what i get 23:08 Ropuch I should be online tomorrow 8-9am (gmt+1) 23:08 psychokiller tar: Error is not recoverable: exiting now 23:08 psychokiller tar: Unexpected EOF in archive 23:08 psychokiller tar: Unexpected EOF in archive 23:08 psychokiller koha-3.00.05/koha-tmpl/intranet-tmpl/prog/sv-SE/js/tinymce/jscripts/tiny_mce/plugins/media/editor_plugin_src.js 23:08 psychokiller koha-3.00.05/koha-tmpl/intranet-tmpl/prog/sv-SE/js/tinymce/jscripts/tiny_mce/plugins/media/media.htm 23:08 psychokiller gzip: stdin: unexpected end of file 23:06 Ropuch ;> 23:06 psychokiller lol 23:06 psychokiller ! 23:06 psychokiller you'll see me again 23:06 psychokiller well if i dont 23:06 Ropuch Anyway - I hope you succeed 23:05 Ropuch It's gonna be a busy day tomorrow 23:04 Ropuch ;> 23:04 psychokiller thats pointless 23:04 psychokiller sleep ? 23:04 Ropuch It's about time to get some sleep for me 23:04 Ropuch After it's done, paste the two lines I'ce gave above and start with tar -zxvf koha-3.00.05.tar.gz && cd koha-3.00.05 step 23:02 Ropuch Then wait till it's done 23:01 Ropuch ohg 23:01 psychokiller he 23:01 psychokiller well downloading is not quite done 23:01 Ropuch mv koha-3.00.05.tar.gz.1 koha-3.00.05.tar.gz 23:01 Ropuch rm koha-3.00.05.tar.gz 23:01 Ropuch Now 23:01 Ropuch yep 22:59 psychokiller is it ok ? 22:59 psychokiller that's what its displaying 22:59 psychokiller Saving to: `koha-3.00.05.tar.gz.1' 22:59 psychokiller not really 22:59 psychokiller oops soory 22:59 psychokiller sudo gedit /etc/apache2/ports.conf 22:59 psychokiller it displays : 22:48 Ropuch I mean your computer 22:45 psychokiller its real 22:45 psychokiller my Ubuntu Desktop is not on a Virtual Box 22:45 psychokiller what box ? 22:45 psychokiller my box ? 22:42 Ropuch Your box seems to handle make pretty fast ;> 22:41 psychokiller but well lets try it anyway 22:41 Ropuch I know 22:41 psychokiller i already have that 22:41 Ropuch ANd try to proceed, if the error will occur again, I'm out of ideas 22:41 psychokiller hmmmmmmmmmmmmm 22:41 Ropuch wget http://download.koha.org/koha-3.00.05.tar.gz 22:41 Ropuch With 22:41 Ropuch Then start wit 22:40 Ropuch cd ~/projekt-koha/ && rm -fr koha-3.00.05 22:40 Ropuch Ok 22:39 psychokiller what tarball would that be ? 22:39 Ropuch psychokiller: I'm really guessing here, but can you wget another tarball of koha? 22:38 Ropuch I found similar error message: http://lists.katipo.co.nz/public/koha/2009-April/017794.html 22:37 Ropuch I can't say really 22:37 psychokiller so what is the step i've done wrong ? 22:37 Ropuch I'm sure the disk space is not the issue here 22:36 psychokiller /dev/sdb3 432G 107G 326G 25% /media/???? ????? 22:36 psychokiller /dev/sdb5 27G 5.0G 22G 19% /home 22:36 psychokiller none 1007M 0 1007M 0% /lib/init/rw 22:36 psychokiller none 1007M 0 1007M 0% /var/lock 22:36 psychokiller none 1007M 100K 1007M 1% /var/run 22:36 psychokiller none 1007M 772K 1006M 1% /dev/shm 22:36 psychokiller udev 1007M 276K 1007M 1% /dev 22:36 psychokiller /dev/sdb2 7.4G 4.1G 3.0G 59% / 22:36 psychokiller Filesystem Size Used Avail Use% Mounted on 22:36 Ropuch wizzyrea: the questin is why 22:36 wizzyrea it looks like your config file didn't get written correctly 22:36 Ropuch Maybe you've run out of disk space? 22:36 psychokiller yes 22:35 Ropuch df -h 22:35 Ropuch Can you run 22:35 psychokiller so what is the remedy ? 22:35 Ropuch It's the same 22:35 psychokiller not sure 'though 22:35 psychokiller i assume it is the same error 22:34 psychokiller make: *** [blib/KOHA_CONF_DIR/koha-conf.xml] Error 2 22:34 psychokiller Can't open blib/KOHA_CONF_DIR/koha-conf.xml for read at rewrite-config.PL line 172. 22:34 Ropuch ? 22:34 psychokiller there is an error 22:34 psychokiller oh no 22:34 psychokiller YEAAAAAAAH!!! 22:34 psychokiller no error 22:34 psychokiller oh its READY 22:33 psychokiller (and im not going to drink tea this time of hour) 22:33 psychokiller both at the same time that is 22:32 psychokiller what's the problem if i do both twice ? 22:32 Ropuch When make is finished we'll run make test :) 22:31 psychokiller shouldn't i do make && make test ? 22:31 Ropuch And go grab some tea, it takes some time in 3.00.5 ;> 22:31 wajasu are book covers cached one retrieved? 22:31 psychokiller sorry ? 22:30 Ropuch make 22:30 Ropuch :) 22:30 psychokiller lol 22:30 psychokiller i pressed ENTER in all 22:30 Ropuch You've done with basic configuration? 22:30 psychokiller *display 22:30 psychokiller no error dispaly 22:30 psychokiller done that 22:29 psychokiller but nothing weird either 22:29 Ropuch And then unfortunatelly perl Makefile.PL 22:29 psychokiller nothing special 22:29 psychokiller did that 22:29 Ropuch just to be sure 22:29 Ropuch rm -rf ./blib 22:29 psychokiller next ? 22:28 psychokiller i did that 22:28 psychokiller well it seems fine now 22:28 Ropuch And then make clean 22:28 psychokiller aha 22:28 Ropuch cd ~/projekt-koha/koha-3.00.05 22:27 psychokiller what is the default by your install? 22:27 psychokiller lets see 22:27 psychokiller where is that 22:27 psychokiller hmmmmm 22:27 psychokiller well... 22:26 Ropuch Where you extracted the tar file 22:26 Ropuch directory 22:26 psychokiller that is cd what ? 22:26 Ropuch Go to your koha-3.00.05 22:26 psychokiller maybe that is the problem 22:26 psychokiller im in this directory 22:26 psychokiller orestes@orestespc:/etc/apache2/sites-available$ 22:25 psychokiller thats what it responds 22:25 psychokiller make: *** No rule to make target `clean'. Stop. 22:25 psychokiller that does nothing 22:25 Ropuch make clean 22:25 psychokiller what do i type ? 22:24 psychokiller ? 22:24 Ropuch Then run make clean 22:24 psychokiller done that 22:24 psychokiller yes... 22:24 Ropuch sudo rm -fr /usr/share/koha 22:24 Ropuch guh 22:23 Ropuch sudo r, -fr /usr/share/koha 22:23 Ropuch So first remove /usr/share/koha 22:23 Ropuch Ok ok 22:23 psychokiller Koha error The following fatal error has occurred: DBD driver has not implemented the AutoCommit attribute at /usr/lib/perl5/DBI.pm line 705. Compilation failed in require at /usr/share/koha/lib/C4/Circulation.pm line 25. BEGIN failed--compilation aborted at /usr/share/koha/lib/C4/Circulation.pm line 25. Compilation failed in require at /usr/share/koha/lib/C4/Overdues.pm line 24. BEGIN failed--compilation abo 22:22 psychokiller i get this 22:22 psychokiller Gotowe! Teraz możemy udać się pod adres http://127.0.1.1:8080, odpowiedzieć na kilka pytań i cieszyć się własnoręcznie zainstalowanym systemem bibliotecznym. Jeśli nic nie zmienialiśmy w trakcie konfiguracji, logujemy się na konto kohaadmin z hasłem katikoan. 22:22 psychokiller : 22:22 psychokiller when i go this step 22:22 psychokiller oh shit 22:18 psychokiller make: *** [blib/KOHA_CONF_DIR/koha-conf.xml] Error 2 22:18 psychokiller Can't open blib/KOHA_CONF_DIR/koha-conf.xml for read at rewrite-config.PL line 172. 22:18 psychokiller and at the end 22:18 psychokiller etc 22:18 psychokiller Manifying .... 22:18 psychokiller i got a lot of : 22:17 psychokiller yes i did that 22:16 Ropuch Before running sudo make install? 22:16 psychokiller you 're right 22:16 Ropuch After perl Makefile.PL - have you run make && make test 22:16 psychokiller ah yes and kame and make test 22:16 psychokiller ive run make install 22:16 psychokiller sorry ? 22:10 Ropuch You've run make && make test? 22:09 Ropuch Give me sec, I'm doing make just now 22:08 psychokiller should i proceed ? 22:07 psychokiller i pasted this : sudo make install 22:07 Ropuch Just sudo make install? 22:07 psychokiller no 22:06 Ropuch You've pasted this line? 22:06 Ropuch 23:04 < psychokiller> Instalujemy sudo make install Troch� to trwa�o, ale jeste�my juz prawie przy ko�cu. 22:06 psychokiller yes ? 22:05 Ropuch Strange 22:05 psychokiller ? 22:05 psychokiller or not 22:05 psychokiller is the error 2 OK ? 22:05 psychokiller make: *** [blib/KOHA_CONF_DIR/koha-conf.xml] Error 2 22:05 psychokiller Can't open blib/KOHA_CONF_DIR/koha-conf.xml for read at rewrite-config.PL line 172. 22:05 psychokiller /usr/bin/perl "-Iblib/arch" "-Iblib/lib" rewrite-config.PL blib/KOHA_CONF_DIR/koha-conf.xml 22:05 psychokiller /usr/bin/perl "-Iblib/arch" "-Iblib/lib" fix-perl-path.PL blib 22:04 psychokiller as a response 22:04 psychokiller and got this 22:04 psychokiller Instalujemy sudo make install Trochę to trwało, ale jesteśmy juz prawie przy końcu. 22:04 psychokiller sudo make install 22:04 psychokiller i just entered 22:03 psychokiller Ropuch 22:03 Ropuch I'm yet to find out if this approach is working 22:03 psychokiller t 22:03 psychokiller no no i was commenting about the Tea par 22:02 Ropuch I didn't want to write another technical install guide, my comments were meant to encourage people to proceed with install 22:01 Ropuch That was written by uncle google, but yes, the comments are mine ;> 22:01 psychokiller lol 22:01 psychokiller well not Tea exactly 22:00 psychokiller "Probably already drank tea" 22:00 psychokiller you've written this ? 22:00 psychokiller ha 21:55 Ropuch It was second part of step you skipped 21:55 Ropuch and than perl Makefile.PL 21:55 Ropuch cd koha-3.00.05 21:55 Ropuch Oh 21:54 psychokiller Can't open perl script "Makefile.PL": No such file or directory 21:54 psychokiller i get this 21:54 psychokiller perl Makefile.PL 21:54 psychokiller ooops 21:47 Ropuch ctr+c 21:47 Ropuch So you can skip it and proceed to next step 21:47 psychokiller can i abort it from the console ? 21:47 psychokiller because i already have the .gz thing 21:47 psychokiller but oh well that is pointless 21:47 psychokiller im in this step 21:47 psychokiller wget http://download.koha.org/koha-3.00.05.tar.gz 21:46 psychokiller so im waiting .... 21:46 psychokiller which i already have 21:46 psychokiller the one of downloading koha itself 21:46 psychokiller well it seems i have reached a stupid step 21:45 Ropuch Anyway, psychokiller, how is your Koha install? 21:45 Ropuch Besides - like richard said - we have people from all around the world 21:45 joethoks_away Correct. Change subject back to Koha please. 21:45 psychokiller i apologize 21:45 psychokiller sorry 21:44 Ropuch This channel is not about nation steretypes and hatred 21:44 psychokiller sorry 21:44 psychokiller ok 21:44 richard careful psychokiller, there are people from nationalities here 21:44 Ropuch psychokiller: let's cut ther discussion here 21:44 psychokiller I wouldnt do that 21:44 Ropuch But if I came to your country and I'll get a job and will be working hard, be good neighbour you don't say" "poles are good and hard working people"; if I'' go to your countryand rob your houes, you'll probably generalize" poles are thieves" ;> 21:44 psychokiller sorry about that... 21:43 psychokiller as they start a war every 30 years 21:43 psychokiller well actually the fucking germans shouldn complain to much 21:43 psychokiller actually i would rather beat some asses of those who spread em 21:43 psychokiller dont like em 21:43 psychokiller we have same jokes for Albanians here 21:42 psychokiller that's just racist jokes 21:42 Ropuch ha 21:42 psychokiller ha 21:41 Ropuch Once I've read some german joke" "Visit Poland during holiday, your car is already there" 21:40 Ropuch psychokiller: dunno actually 21:40 psychokiller have they surpassed the greek and the turkish community there ? 21:40 Ropuch ;> 21:40 joethoks_away <---clears throat, loudly 21:40 psychokiller are poles going to Germany ? 21:39 Ropuch Well 21:39 Ropuch Being accused of hatingrussians is not that bad comparedto being perceived as filthy barrbarin drunk thief ;> 21:39 psychokiller *were 21:39 psychokiller never heard of that I thought Greeks where doing that 21:39 psychokiller so Poles are stealing cars in Germany ? 21:38 Ropuch Oh, that's quite light-stereotypes 21:38 psychokiller lol 21:38 psychokiller dont know much... 21:38 psychokiller that is THEY HATE RUSSIANS 21:38 psychokiller no actually i know only ONE stereotype for Poles 21:38 Ropuch :) 21:37 joethoks_away Thank you. 21:37 joethoks_away See how easy that was? 21:37 Ropuch Yea, yea, I;m polish, which mean I'm drunkard and stealing cars in Germany is job, i hate russians, eat only sausage, drinks wodka instead of morning coffee 21:37 joethoks_away That would be an american phrase, meaning "get back to being productive and happy" 21:37 joethoks_away now now now. 21:36 psychokiller lol 21:36 psychokiller you're polish you hate Russian by definition 21:36 Ropuch But I still don't hate russians :) 21:36 joethoks_away jk 21:36 joethoks_away GO PSYCHOKILLER GO 21:35 Ropuch We have different definitions of 'independence' then 21:35 psychokiller but he laid the ground for polish independence 21:35 psychokiller ok i admit he made a wrong invasion in 1920-21 21:34 psychokiller he did it 21:34 psychokiller come on now guys 21:34 psychokiller it was Lenin after all who was the first statesman to claim that the 3rd partition was null! 21:34 Ropuch psychokiller: I must have ben reading another books 21:34 psychokiller that was the CCCP 21:33 psychokiller well not russians per se 21:33 psychokiller in history lessons 21:33 Ropuch 20 years ago we 'officialy' had to love them 21:33 psychokiller come on ... that's what they teach you in school 21:33 Ropuch Lol, no 21:33 psychokiller yes but 'officialy' you have to hate Russians ? don't you ? 21:32 Ropuch ;> 21:32 Ropuch Some people do, some don't, some don't care 21:32 Ropuch hehe 21:32 psychokiller still hating the Russians ? 21:32 psychokiller so how is Poland this year ? 21:31 psychokiller ill tell you if it goes smoothly in a while 21:31 psychokiller it is up to now ! 21:28 Ropuch Hope the guide is useful 21:26 psychokiller done that 21:26 psychokiller yes 21:24 Ropuch Installing perl modules? 21:23 psychokiller and on 21:23 psychokiller im going on 21:21 Ropuch :) 21:21 Ropuch oh 21:21 Ropuch psychokiller: remove \ 21:21 psychokiller and it seems it worked 21:21 psychokiller i removed the \ s 21:21 psychokiller no 21:20 owen Have you tried logging in to mysql directly and trying the "grant all" from there? 21:19 psychokiller ERROR at line 1: Unknown command '\''. 21:19 psychokiller i get this answer 21:19 psychokiller sudo echo "grant all on koha.* to \'kohaadmin\'@\'localhost\' identified by \'katikoan\';" | mysql -uroot -p 21:19 psychokiller inserting this 21:00 wajasu ok. i see select a batch and export to pdf 20:56 wajasu i'm running schroot, with aufs (arch32 --> koha perl --> kohagit stacked via aufs). Its fast and less disk space. Now I have a schroot aufs stack with archlinux64 --> koha perl -->kohagit. 20:53 wajasu i see. add batch, they search and select 20:53 Ropuch owen: i started by writing guide hot to install & configure VirtualBox on Windows and then Ubuntu inside it 20:52 wajasu i did do a quick spine label. (no barcode) 20:51 wajasu new batch? 20:51 schuster do you have the quick spinelabel option turned on in cataloging syspref? 20:51 owen wajasu: Tools -> Label creator 20:51 wajasu running koha via git. I can't seem to figure out how to print a barcode label. by what link/path? 20:50 owen I would recommend installing things the Ubuntu way rather than XAMP. 20:50 psychokiller im installing the polish one 20:49 psychokiller and other 20:49 psychokiller i have installed XAMP 20:49 owen If google translate does a bad job on Ropuch's guide you could do some searching 20:49 psychokiller thats not my problem 20:49 owen psychokiller: I would imagine the web it full of Ubuntu install guides which cover installing Apache, Perl and MySQL. I somehow managed it. 20:45 Ropuch Anyway: in this guide I'm using standard Ubuntu desktop install, but I believe any missing dependencies will be installed by apt 20:44 joetho schuster: see pm 20:43 Ropuch Hi wizzyrea 20:43 Ropuch psychokiller: I'm not complaing, just answering your question :) 20:42 psychokiller lol 20:42 psychokiller i came to BE HELPED 20:42 psychokiller me ? 20:42 wizzyrea s/to/for 20:42 wizzyrea did you come here to help, or to insult us? 20:42 psychokiller dont complain 20:41 psychokiller thats less than 2 hours away ! 20:41 Ropuch Warsaw is our capital, I live in Wroclaw, my parents in Piotrkow Trybunalski, about 150km from Warsaw 20:41 Ropuch I wanted to give oportunity to trykoha to polish average librarian Jane without technical knowledge 20:41 psychokiller thats in Warsaw ? 20:40 Ropuch Not yet, but I'm gonna make her do it when I;m at home finally ;> 20:39 psychokiller did your mon install it ? 20:39 Ropuch As it's meant to be copy & paste guide For My Mom, even poor translation should be good ;> 20:38 psychokiller long live the Pope 20:38 Ropuch http://bagno.be/poradniki/instalacja-koha/ 20:38 psychokiller oh yes 20:38 psychokiller can i googletranslate it ? 20:38 Ropuch You can always try google translate 20:38 psychokiller polish ? 20:37 Ropuch psychokiller I have step-by-step copy/paste guide to ubuntu 9.10, but it's in polish 20:36 schuster How can I test Z39.50? My test/production connection to MarcEdit keep kicking me that it isn't available. 20:36 nengard wizzyrea around? 20:36 psychokiller i have 9.10 instead of 8.10 20:35 Ropuch http://www.blazingmoon.org/guides/k3-on-u810-1.html 20:34 Ropuch blazingmoon 20:33 psychokiller in plain english 20:33 psychokiller but what is the STEP-By-step procedure ? 20:32 psychokiller anyway perl is on Ubuntu server 20:32 psychokiller i can ? 20:32 owen That's what I test Koha on. 20:32 owen You can install on Ubuntu Desktop if you want to 20:32 psychokiller instead of plain desktop Ubuntu ? 20:31 psychokiller on a UBuntu SERVER ? 20:31 psychokiller sorry but don't i have to insTALL koha 20:31 psychokiller that is a normal Ubuntu ? 20:31 rhcl If you do >perl -version, from a console, it shows perl is not installed? 20:31 * owen has only installed Koha from scratch a couple of times, could be wrong 20:30 psychokiller says to install it 20:30 psychokiller but the install txt 20:30 psychokiller it has ? 20:30 * owen thought Ubuntu had Perl by default 20:29 psychokiller i think i i didnt go beyond 1.6 20:28 psychokiller cant install it 20:28 psychokiller i have some problem i think with Perl 20:28 psychokiller im in Ubuntu now 20:28 psychokiller hey owen 20:21 rhcl well 20:21 psychokiller brb 20:21 psychokiller ill tell you all about it when i switch to ubuntu in 2 minutes 20:20 owen Where are you running into trouble? 20:20 psychokiller ACtually i installed Ubuntu server in a virtual box in Ubuntu 9.10 20:20 psychokiller so should i change to Ubuntu ? 20:19 psychokiller are you willing to help ? 20:19 psychokiller i have installed Ubuntu server 20:19 psychokiller nobody ? 20:19 owen What's causing you trouble psychokiller? 20:13 psychokiller is anybody kind to do so ? 20:12 psychokiller i've been trying to find someone to help me with installation for koha 20:12 psychokiller hi 20:10 magnus hm, looks like my yes/no/1/0 problem only happens when i have selected norwegian as the language for the staff client, not when i have selected english... 19:45 jdavidb :P 19:45 nengard goofy boy 19:45 * jdavidb heard "koha tip article" and couldn't help thinking, "if you stand a Koha server on the smallest side, it will tip over more easily." 19:44 nengard hi all - i need at least one more koha tip article and one more article with news from a koha library - any takers?? 19:44 jdavidb Probably want to patch that to make it zero by default, rather than NULL, just for tidiness' sake. 19:43 jdavidb sysprefs.sql defined it that way; this is a fresh installation. (or was, when I did it.) 19:42 magnus hm, strange! 19:42 jdavidb TagsModeration is my NULL one. 19:41 jdavidb Same result; I checked to make sure I had dinked a YesNo-defined var, too. 19:39 jdavidb Sure, just a moment. 19:39 magnus could you try and change something and then change it back and do the sql again? 19:38 jdavidb I haven't, but the 3.2A box is jwagner's sandbox, not mine. She *might* have. 19:38 jdavidb On a 3.2A, I get 1 NULL, 90 "0" and 54 "1" values. 19:37 magnus thanks, jdavidb - it looks like the most instersting question is if you have changed any prefs with the new syspref editor? 19:36 jdavidb That first select you did, magnus, returned 62 "0" and 90 "1" values, on one of my test instances, but it's not at 3.2A 19:33 magnus if so, i'm either missing something or there is something wrong with the booleans in the .pref-files: http://koha.pastebin.com/mTFYerLT 19:26 magnus um, shouldn't the value of a syspref with type = YesNo be either 1 or 0? 17:44 schuster my proprietary data... ;) 17:34 owen It was probably a proprietary process 17:34 schuster that was helpful... 17:33 wizzyrea (and that hasn't fixed every one of them, some we had to have help with, and they didn't tell us what they did) 17:33 schuster I've got a log in with our support company to see what they say. 17:33 wizzyrea I don't think so, but I don't know for sure 17:32 schuster hmmm reindex required? 17:30 wizzyrea schuster: almost every time I've had a funky display like that flipping the framework for the bib helped (it rewrites the record). you can then flip it back to whatever framework it was originally. 17:29 schuster catalog.pisd.edu - search polio and then look for the one by hecht 17:28 schuster When I edit the record there is only one item but when I search by barcode for an item that isn't displayed it brings up this bib...??? 17:28 schuster Very odd thing... I have a title Polio - Hecht - that on the bib display has one item on it - but in the summary display has 5... What's wrong with this picture? 16:49 wizzyrea never mind 16:49 wizzyrea oh wait you said you disallowed that 16:49 wizzyrea that sounds like human error to me -- where someone placed a title level hold by accident 16:48 schuster The pop up says this title is on hold for... but it can't be as it was a copy specific request. 16:48 schuster I have forced copy specific holds - and people are using our webself check option but holds continue to pop up that should be copy specific so there may be something else yet amiss. 16:47 wizzyrea (assuming that it's not chain-duped, of course) 16:47 wizzyrea takes an item out of circulation for at least 3-4 days while it's finding it's way to it's next proper location 16:46 wizzyrea er, dupe transit 16:46 wizzyrea yea, and it really sucks to have a popular title out of commission because of a dupe hold :( 16:46 gmcharlt and patrons have an annoying habit of all wanting the Harry Potter du jour ;) 16:43 wizzyrea (that is to say, it happens daily) 16:42 wizzyrea the chances of items from the same bib getting scanned in our system is alarmingly high 16:41 nicomo wizzyrea: such a good question everyone went silent 16:37 wizzyrea I mean, with 31 (soon to be 33) libraries, all open between 8am and 8pm, how do we reduce the number of times a duplicate item is sent to fill any given hold? 16:35 wizzyrea hehe, yea, we've noticed that 16:35 wizzyrea ok, so barring a technical fix (which I contend will *have* to be done sooner rather than later) -- how do you mitigate this problem? 16:35 nicomo wizzyrea: I see your point, but I'd say you need to really think it through; with holds, sideeffects happen really quickly 16:34 wizzyrea :) 16:34 nicomo :-) 16:34 nicomo really? Now I feel better already 16:34 owen ditto 16:34 wizzyrea they give everybody headaches 16:33 nicomo holds give me headaches, to tell you the truth 16:33 wizzyrea i know, it's impossible to implement 16:33 wizzyrea (or any with wait messages) 16:33 wizzyrea other clients are free to pick from any other item to fill holds, just not that one 16:32 wizzyrea basically, if there is a wait status (a message on the screen) the item should be unavailable to all other clients 16:31 wizzyrea you have ready for hold, and waiting user 16:31 wizzyrea flip the bit back to "ready" 16:31 owen That's assuming there is only one hold 16:30 wizzyrea or that hold isn't available, I mean 16:30 owen The first item gets its allocation cancelled 16:30 wizzyrea the user with the dupe would get another message saying "check this item in again, that item is not available" 16:30 owen The other item gets allocated for the priority 2 patron. 16:30 owen One item gets allocated for the priority 1 patron 16:29 owen wizzyrea: But think about the simultaneous check-in scenario: 16:29 nicomo +1 16:29 wizzyrea or waiting user 16:29 wizzyrea flip a bit saying "in process" or something 16:28 wizzyrea what I'm saying is that the moment an item is checked in, if it is to fill a hold, it needs to lock it's item rightthen, until the user decides what to do 16:27 wizzyrea lol they're used to me giggling at virtual things 16:26 nicomo which is always good, to a point... don't scare your co-workers though 16:26 * wizzyrea made herself laugh 16:25 wizzyrea :D 16:25 wizzyrea how DO they DO IT 16:25 wizzyrea >.> 16:25 wizzyrea lol, so how does google do it >.. 16:25 nicomo ;-) 16:25 nicomo see, just what I was saying 16:25 wizzyrea :) 16:25 wizzyrea nicomo: I have an expectation that when 2 items are checked in at the same time for a hold, only one of them has the option to print slip and transfer 16:24 nicomo wizzyrea: it seems you and I and many others have expectations biased by the Google Gods 16:23 wizzyrea but... ahem... other ILS's don't have this problem :( 16:22 wizzyrea i believe it 16:22 paul_p wizzyrea: nicomo already asked for this (it's gmail behaviour). But it's VERY complex to implement in fact. really 16:22 wizzyrea or ignore 16:22 wizzyrea it should say "print slip" 16:22 wizzyrea so, the moment it pops you a message 16:21 wizzyrea confirm by default, then UN do if the hold is denied by the user 16:21 wizzyrea instead of waiting for the user to say "yes, confirm this" 16:21 owen It's hard to type when you're flailing 16:21 wizzyrea but what about this 16:21 wizzyrea flails even. 16:21 * wizzyrea flaisl her arms 16:21 paul_p owen: Simon (almost 15) like Abby, but is not really a gothic fan ;) 16:20 wizzyrea owen: I don't know what the code looks like for holds, so i'm speculating wildly on this 16:20 owen paul_p: If they were a little older they'd be wishing it was the Abby character who visited ;) 16:18 paul_p just for fun : here in France, the "NCIS" tv series is quite famous. Our 2 oldest boys were expecting someone like on the TV coming. They were disappointed to see a single person, completly common, without any sign or tee-shirt, or gun,... :D 16:16 paul_p chris_n: The scientific police has found 3 fingerprints on the window they broke to enter, so maybe... 16:15 * chris_n hopes they catch the scoundrels 16:14 chris_n sorry paul_p 16:06 brendan best of luck to you 16:06 brendan sorry to hear that paul_p 16:06 wajasu using the koha git, and staging my 16000 marc records, when its done, it returns all 16000 on page 1, but chunks for latter pages numbers. that changed from 3.0x? 16000 on the resulting page is maybe too big? 15:59 gmcharlt paul_p: I'm sorry to hear that 15:58 paul_p owen: true. 15:57 owen What a terrible thing to experience paul_p! :( 15:57 * paul_p apologize not to be with you for this squashing session, but with my home being robbed, i'm tired & many sleeping hours late :'( 15:56 owen I'm not sure how you would solve the problem... Add some kind of logic to the hold confirmation process to warn the user if that hold had already been filled? 15:54 wizzyrea hmm true 15:48 owen Kind of tedious, but... 15:47 owen I suppose the next time one of your librarians received a book with a hold slip which didn't prompt them for any hold you could check the statistics table for when that item was last checked in, see if another of that biblio's items was checked in at the same time 15:47 wizzyrea 30ish DB revisions 15:47 wizzyrea so you're a little bit ahead of me 15:46 owen 3.01.00.061 15:46 wizzyrea what version do you have owen? 15:45 wizzyrea ok, so that's a good thing to know 15:45 owen Right, so it would explain why an item would get sent and then get no message upon check-in. 15:45 wizzyrea and you act 15:45 wizzyrea you see that message 15:45 wizzyrea so as a staff member 15:45 wizzyrea both 15:45 wizzyrea for bnoyth 15:44 wizzyrea but you could print slip and transfer 15:43 owen Only one got allocated. 15:43 wizzyrea what are the statuses like? 15:43 wizzyrea so did one of them error out? 15:43 wizzyrea what happens if you accept and transfer both 15:43 wizzyrea you got IDENTICAL hold found messages? 15:43 wizzyrea ok 15:43 wajasu maybe with the virtual shelves as well 15:43 wizzyrea wait wait 15:43 owen I did get matching "hold found" messages, but nothing out of the ordinary even after confirming simultaneously 15:42 wajasu thinks it would be nice to have a call number creation helper when adding a new biblio/item according to the default classification rules. (i.e. lcc) 15:42 wizzyrea or it worked right 15:42 wizzyrea anything? 15:42 owen wizzyrea: FWIW, I tried doing a simultaneous checkin of two copies of an on-hold title 15:35 wizzyrea ) 15:35 wizzyrea (even though we hate getting problem reports 15:35 wizzyrea (I love our librarians, they're smart and capable and wonderful. They give the best problem reports) 15:35 wizzyrea :) 15:35 wizzyrea nothing like a bunch of users to mess things up :_ 15:33 wizzyrea I mean, for load testing we have a pretty good production setup 15:32 wizzyrea not even the new stuff 15:32 wizzyrea and this is on OLD code 15:32 wizzyrea our problems 15:32 wizzyrea our situation is... this really started happening in earnest when we were moved to this high memory instance 15:32 wizzyrea not completely :/ 15:30 sekjal gmcharlt: ah, okay, I lost track of where we were with that 15:29 gmcharlt I think wizzyrea has been testing fixes to that, but it didn't help completely 15:29 sekjal when I was looking at holds a couple weeks ago, there were a couple bad calls in Reserves.pm to _FixPriority(). 15:25 wizzyrea my creativity is failing me here 15:25 wizzyrea 1. I don't have a super fast epic machine that can hold all of mysql in RAM 2. how exactly do you emulate 31 libraries processing items simultaneously 15:23 wizzyrea yea, that's my problem, I don't know how best to test it 15:22 schuster I have not played with Zotero much lately... I know nengard knows it quite well. what are you asking form and style? 15:21 wizzyrea hehe 15:20 sekjal owen: the latest Library Olympics game! 15:20 owen Synchronized circ 15:19 owen I suppose you could test by checking in two copies of an on-hold item simultaneously on two workstations 15:19 sekjal wizzyrea: sounds like a theory worth investigating 15:18 wizzyrea all advancing/editing/changing status of items 15:17 wizzyrea seems to me like that's a recipe for queer behavior 15:17 wizzyrea but what if you have 4 different operations working on the same bib at the same time? 15:15 owen It sounds like it might explain the duplicate consigned items, but I don't think it can explain the multiple priority ones and the weirdly high priority numbers 15:15 wizzyrea so... it's not explicitly the code, if that makes sense 15:14 wizzyrea it sort of explains everything 15:14 wizzyrea am I out of my mind? 15:14 wizzyrea so, say an item is checked in and a hold is deleted close to simultaneously 15:14 wizzyrea and any other wierd manipulation of the queue list for a title you can think of 15:13 wizzyrea t 15:13 wizzyrea I think if they are close to simultaneous, you can get the different items assigned to the same targe 15:13 wizzyrea what should happen is that there should be some queuing right then, but I don't think there is 15:12 wizzyrea check it in 15:12 wizzyrea library 1 and library 2 pull the same title at the same time 15:12 wizzyrea you have every library picking holds/processing the return bin all at the same time 15:12 wizzyrea you have 31 libraries 15:12 wizzyrea you have a bib with 40 items (HAHAHA owen...) 15:11 owen Oh my god, holds are traveling back and forth through time! 15:11 wizzyrea so imagine if you will the following scenario 15:11 wizzyrea where pretty much everything is held in RAM, transactions are super fast 15:10 wizzyrea our problems got a lot worse after we were migrated to a much higher performance server 15:09 wizzyrea so here's my theory (well, it's aided by other, bigger brains than mine, I just connected the dots) 15:08 owen I don't know that it's limited to hot titles or not, but I've definitely seen it on hit titles. 15:08 wizzyrea right? 15:08 wizzyrea and mostly on very hot titles 15:07 owen We've got all that! 15:07 wizzyrea the kind you see: weird priorities, first available above only item, duplicate items sent to fill the same hold 15:07 wizzyrea I need help proving it, I've got evidence but no hard data 15:07 owen What kind of mucked holds wizzyrea ? 15:06 chris_n schuster: is that re: form and style? 15:06 wizzyrea esp if you have a very active DB 15:06 wizzyrea so... I think I've found a condition where fast server = mucked holds 15:06 schuster hmmm it already works with Zotero so it has the basics to pass...??? 15:02 * chris_n will add an enhancement req for it 14:51 sekjal the real trick would be if we could get Koha to parse arbitrary citations (where the formatting could be weird/wrong). saw something about doing that at Code4Lib last year... 14:46 chris_n sekjal: yup... some sort of simple parser to do marc2foo 14:46 sekjal you may even be able to reverse it: take in a citation in MLA (let's say) in a text box, and have Koha tell you whether you have it or not 14:45 sekjal chris_n: it probably wouldn't be that technically difficult to do, once you had the profiles for the citation formats. 14:44 chris_n I can think of a boat-load of students who would be eternally grateful for such a feature 14:44 * chris_n was inspired by owen's post to David Bucknell 14:43 wajasu but that might be because of my selecting lcc 14:43 sekjal chris_n: agreed. 14:43 wajasu That when adding the biblio part. after the save, then the actual item does default correctly to lcc. 14:43 chris_n a cool feature would be to have Koha generate bibliographic entries according to one's favorite formatting flavor (MLA, Chicago, etc) from lists 14:40 wajasu running koha git. configured defaultClassificationSource as lcc (not dewey decimal). When I go to add an item, the 942 field doesn't default to it, and I have to select lcc (library of congress classification). Is that correct? 14:38 jdavidb Nevermind. Bugs are easier. 14:38 * jdavidb thinks of several people he knows in the library industry. 14:38 jdavidb Delusional insanity is usually treatable, owen, except...oh..wait.. 14:31 owen Better a bug than insanity on the part of the user 14:30 gmcharlt bug, then 14:29 owen Aha... OPAC XSLT results will not appear unless the XSLTResultsDisplay (*not* the OPACXSLTResultsDisplay ) preference is set 14:23 nengard k - got a webinar to teach - be back later 14:15 paul_p (part time for instance) 14:15 * paul_p happy to announce that toins will be back to koha coding in the next few days ! 14:12 owen Hm, the OPAC error log says "opac-search.pl: Use of uninitialized value in string eq at kohaclone/opac/opac-search.pl line 508" 14:02 owen gmcharlt: It was working just 5 minutes ago, no changes to any files 13:59 gmcharlt it probably means that there's a syntax error in the stylesheet or that it's not findingit 13:59 owen It happened after I turned XSLT on for OPAC results 13:58 owen Anyone else run into this before? http://screencast.com/t/MDg3ZGZhYTAt 13:56 * owen pictures this Karen Coyle commanding a base inside a volcano in the Pacific 13:55 gmcharlt however, that's truly minimal - if Karen Coyle and others have their way, RDA would be an opportunity to change rather a lot about how cataloging metadata gets exchanged 13:54 gmcharlt so initially, just means extending the MARC framework 13:54 gmcharlt but as an initial step, there are some additional MARC21 tags that were added to support RDA fields 13:53 sekjal morning, owen 13:53 gmcharlt good question! :) 13:53 gmcharlt schuster: implementing RDA? 13:52 owen Hi sekjal 13:44 schuster OK I should have a basic structure in a couple of weeks. There are a couple of things that may be odd, ie once the items actually display and getting back to the kids interface where they went into the standard interface. 13:43 owen Not based on that information 13:42 schuster I've decided to implement cookies as that can set the location and possibly other limits as the library needs. Any concerns there right off? 13:41 schuster owen - I've started playing with a kids interface and in a not to distant future will want someone - "you" to tell me what doesn't work or needs to be changed to keep it more in the community way. 13:41 owen Probably gmcharlt 13:41 owen thd-away actually designed the MARC structures themselves I think, not sure who is best with the implementation 13:40 schuster Yep that's how we all are I think... speaking of - who is the best person in the community with MARC framework? 13:40 owen Geeze I'm having real grammar fails this morning. Gotta warm up my fingers a little. 13:40 owen We actually have a question about FRBR and RDA on our list. I think it got put on their just so we could see their "deer in headlights" look 13:39 schuster Or throw them way off... We've decided to do away with Dewey and use the Owenian shelving scheme and ask them if they have heard of it... 13:39 schuster How would you implement RDA in an opensource environment. 13:38 schuster Ask them the really good questions... So have you implemented FRBR before? 13:38 owen They are now. It's later that we'll crush their spirit 13:37 schuster Ooooo what a cheery uplifting experience catalogers are always so full of life. ...;) 13:36 * owen brought my stomping boots, but is helping interview catalogers later today 13:05 Ropuch Hi chris_n 13:04 chris_n g'morning #koha 13:04 chris_n *yawn* 12:25 magnus let's hope it's quiet because everyone is busy squashing bugs ;-) 12:12 nengard time to tweet :) 12:12 nengard yikes 12:10 Ropuch Nobody said anything since I asked my questiion 3 hours ago 12:09 Ropuch Actually channel is abnormally quiet today 12:08 nengard how's the squashing going?? :) 12:08 nengard hiya 12:08 Ropuch Hi nengard 09:18 munin 04Bug http://bugs.koha.org/cgi-bin/bugzilla3/show_bug.cgi?id=3866 minor, P4, ---, henridamien@koha-fr.org, NEW, Errror in sample_budgets.sql 09:18 Ropuch I don't know if i should close bug 3866 09:16 Ropuch sample_budgets are out of head install? 09:05 magnus that way zebra can store it's files in different locations without too much of a problem 09:04 magnus i think the best thing to do is to have a dev install, and then choose different locations to install into 09:04 magnus Genji: not quite that simple, i'm afraid... 09:02 Genji hiya... can i use the same install of koha (same perl files, different template directory), with an altered koha-conf.xml and have another koha running? 07:36 * magnus listens closely for the sound of bugs being squashed... 07:25 Genji hiya all. wooops! by accident, in a marc to mysql table script, i left in a ModMarcBiblio... didn't modify the $record that Getmarcbiblio sent... just did modmarcbiblio on it..... with the correct biblionumber and framework.... so... no data lost? 07:02 Ropuch Morning #koha 05:12 Nouman Good morning 04:57 wajasu save all is nice. some ajax in there too? :) 04:57 wajasu nicer perferences editor. 04:56 wajasu ok i'm running via git. 04:20 wajasu figured it out. my /home/USER was drwx------ so it prevented me form walking the directory ad httpd. so i did chmod go+rx /home/USER 04:07 Amit_G heya chris_n 04:07 chris_n heya Amit_G 04:06 chris_n or on production boxes as my kohauser 04:06 chris_n wajasu: I usually runn make as the user I develop with 03:19 wajasu when you run a koha git dev setup, do you run make as the non-root user that you pulled git with? I need my httpd virtual host config to have permission to read/write /home/USER/kohagit any suggestions? 02:56 irmalibraries Hi all...just coming to hang out a little 02:27 chris_n g'evening 01:38 brendan I think I've just always ignored that... :) 01:38 brendan do dates need to be zero padded for bulkmarcimport.pl ? 01:37 brendan hey masonj 01:36 masonj yeah, i think so 01:24 wajasu if my DocumentRoot files are not owned by root in the koha git that I pulled, could that be why I get Forbidden access via the httpd vhost? 01:23 wajasu i'm pre-webinstaller 01:23 wajasu tryin to run koha-dev (i.e. koha git), did make, test, install and now trying to configure httpd vhost, but getting forbidden.