Time  Nick          Message
01:23 wajasu        tryin to run koha-dev (i.e. koha git),  did make, test, install and now trying to configure httpd vhost, but getting forbidden.
01:23 wajasu        i'm pre-webinstaller
01:24 wajasu        if my DocumentRoot files are not owned by root in the koha git that I pulled, could that be why I get Forbidden access via the httpd vhost?
01:36 masonj        yeah, i think so
01:37 brendan       hey masonj
01:38 brendan       do dates need to be zero padded for bulkmarcimport.pl  ?
01:38 brendan       I think I've just always ignored that... :)
02:27 chris_n       g'evening
02:56 irmalibraries Hi all...just coming to hang out a little
03:19 wajasu        when you run a koha git dev setup, do you run make as the non-root user that you pulled git with?  I need my httpd virtual host config to have permission to read/write  /home/USER/kohagit any suggestions?
04:06 chris_n       wajasu: I usually runn make as the user I develop with
04:06 chris_n       or on production boxes as my kohauser
04:07 chris_n       heya Amit_G
04:07 Amit_G        heya chris_n
04:20 wajasu        figured it out.  my /home/USER was drwx------ so it prevented me form walking the directory ad httpd. so i did chmod go+rx /home/USER
04:56 wajasu        ok i'm running via git.
04:57 wajasu        nicer perferences editor.
04:57 wajasu        save all is nice.  some ajax in there too? :)
05:12 Nouman        Good morning
07:02 Ropuch        Morning #koha
07:25 Genji         hiya all. wooops! by accident, in a marc to mysql table script, i left in a ModMarcBiblio... didn't modify the $record that Getmarcbiblio sent... just did modmarcbiblio on it..... with the correct biblionumber  and framework.... so... no data lost?
07:36 * magnus      listens closely for the sound of bugs being squashed...
09:02 Genji         hiya... can i use the same install of koha (same perl files, different template directory), with an altered koha-conf.xml and have another koha running?
09:04 magnus        Genji: not quite that simple, i'm afraid...
09:04 magnus        i think the best thing to do is to have a dev install, and then choose different locations to install into
09:05 magnus        that way zebra can store it's files in different locations without too much of a problem
09:16 Ropuch        sample_budgets are out of head install?
09:18 Ropuch        I don't know if i should close bug 3866
09:18 munin         04Bug http://bugs.koha.org/cgi-bin/bugzilla3/show_bug.cgi?id=3866 minor, P4, ---, henridamien@koha-fr.org, NEW, Errror in sample_budgets.sql
12:08 Ropuch        Hi nengard
12:08 nengard       hiya
12:08 nengard       how's the squashing going?? :)
12:09 Ropuch        Actually channel is abnormally quiet today
12:10 Ropuch        Nobody said anything since I asked my questiion 3 hours ago
12:12 nengard       yikes
12:12 nengard       time to tweet :)
12:25 magnus        let's hope it's quiet because everyone is busy squashing bugs ;-)
13:04 chris_n       *yawn*
13:04 chris_n       g'morning #koha
13:05 Ropuch        Hi chris_n
13:36 * owen        brought my stomping boots, but is helping interview catalogers later today
13:37 schuster      Ooooo what a cheery uplifting experience catalogers are always so full of life. ...;)
13:38 owen          They are now. It's later that we'll crush their spirit
13:38 schuster      Ask them the really good questions...  So have you implemented FRBR before?
13:39 schuster      How would you implement RDA in an opensource environment.
13:39 schuster      Or throw them way off...  We've decided to do away with Dewey and use the Owenian shelving scheme and ask them if they have heard of it...
13:40 owen          We actually have a question about FRBR and RDA on our list. I think it got put on their just so we could see their "deer in headlights" look
13:40 owen          Geeze I'm having real grammar fails this morning. Gotta warm up my fingers a little.
13:40 schuster      Yep that's how we all are I think...  speaking of - who is the best person in the community with MARC framework?
13:41 owen          thd-away actually designed the MARC structures themselves I think, not sure who is best with the implementation
13:41 owen          Probably gmcharlt
13:41 schuster      owen - I've started playing with a kids interface and in a not to distant future will want someone - "you" to tell me what doesn't work or needs to be changed to keep it more in the community way.
13:42 schuster      I've decided to implement cookies as that can set the location and possibly other limits as the library needs.  Any concerns there right off?
13:43 owen          Not based on that information
13:44 schuster      OK I should have a basic structure in a couple of weeks.  There are a couple of things that may be odd, ie once the items actually display and getting back to the kids interface where they went into the standard interface.
13:52 owen          Hi sekjal
13:53 gmcharlt      schuster: implementing RDA?
13:53 gmcharlt      good question! :)
13:53 sekjal        morning, owen
13:54 gmcharlt      but as an initial step, there are some additional MARC21 tags that were added to support RDA fields
13:54 gmcharlt      so initially, just means extending the MARC framework
13:55 gmcharlt      however, that's truly minimal - if Karen Coyle and others have their way, RDA would be an opportunity to change rather a lot about how cataloging metadata gets exchanged
13:56 * owen        pictures this Karen Coyle commanding a base inside a volcano in the Pacific
13:58 owen          Anyone else run into this before? http://screencast.com/t/MDg3ZGZhYTAt
13:59 owen          It happened after I turned XSLT on for OPAC results
13:59 gmcharlt      it probably means that there's a syntax error in the stylesheet or that it's not findingit
14:02 owen          gmcharlt: It was working just 5 minutes ago, no changes to any files
14:12 owen          Hm, the OPAC error log says "opac-search.pl: Use of uninitialized value in string eq at kohaclone/opac/opac-search.pl line 508"
14:15 * paul_p      happy to announce that toins will be back to koha coding in the next few days !
14:15 paul_p        (part time for instance)
14:23 nengard       k - got a webinar to teach - be back later
14:29 owen          Aha... OPAC XSLT results will not appear unless the  XSLTResultsDisplay (*not* the  OPACXSLTResultsDisplay ) preference is set
14:30 gmcharlt      bug, then
14:31 owen          Better a bug than insanity on the part of the user
14:38 jdavidb       Delusional insanity is usually treatable, owen, except...oh..wait..
14:38 * jdavidb     thinks of several people he knows in the library industry.
14:38 jdavidb       Nevermind.  Bugs are easier.
14:40 wajasu        running koha git.  configured defaultClassificationSource as lcc (not dewey decimal).  When I go to add an item, the 942 field doesn't default to it, and I have to select lcc (library of  congress classification). Is that correct?
14:43 chris_n       a cool feature would be to have Koha generate bibliographic entries according to one's favorite formatting flavor (MLA, Chicago, etc) from lists
14:43 wajasu        That when adding the biblio part. after the save, then the actual item does default correctly to lcc.
14:43 sekjal        chris_n: agreed.
14:43 wajasu        but that might be because of my selecting lcc
14:44 * chris_n     was inspired by owen's post to David Bucknell
14:44 chris_n       I can think of a boat-load of students who would be eternally grateful for such a feature
14:45 sekjal        chris_n: it probably wouldn't be that technically difficult to do, once you had the profiles for the citation formats.
14:46 sekjal        you may even be able to reverse it: take in a citation in MLA (let's say) in a text box, and have Koha tell you whether you have it or not
14:46 chris_n       sekjal: yup... some sort of simple parser to do marc2foo
14:51 sekjal        the real trick would be if we could get Koha to parse arbitrary citations (where the formatting could be weird/wrong).  saw something about doing that at Code4Lib last year...
15:02 * chris_n     will add an enhancement req for it
15:06 schuster      hmmm it already works with Zotero so it has the basics to pass...???
15:06 wizzyrea      so... I think I've found a condition where fast server = mucked holds
15:06 wizzyrea      esp if you have a very active DB
15:06 chris_n       schuster: is that re: form and style?
15:07 owen          What kind of mucked holds wizzyrea ?
15:07 wizzyrea      I need help proving it, I've got evidence but no hard data
15:07 wizzyrea      the kind you see: weird priorities, first available above only item, duplicate items sent to fill the same hold
15:07 owen          We've got all that!
15:08 wizzyrea      and mostly on very hot titles
15:08 wizzyrea      right?
15:08 owen          I don't know that it's limited to hot titles or not, but I've definitely seen it on hit titles.
15:09 wizzyrea      so here's my theory (well, it's aided by other, bigger brains than mine, I just connected the dots)
15:10 wizzyrea      our problems got a lot worse after we were migrated to a much higher performance server
15:11 wizzyrea      where pretty much everything is held in RAM, transactions are super fast
15:11 wizzyrea      so imagine if you will the following scenario
15:11 owen          Oh my god, holds are traveling back and forth through time!
15:12 wizzyrea      you have a bib with 40 items (HAHAHA owen...)
15:12 wizzyrea      you have 31 libraries
15:12 wizzyrea      you have every library picking holds/processing the return bin all at the same time
15:12 wizzyrea      library 1 and library 2 pull the same title at the same time
15:12 wizzyrea      check it in
15:13 wizzyrea      what should happen is that there should be some queuing right then, but I don't think there is
15:13 wizzyrea      I think if they are close to simultaneous, you can get the different items assigned to the same targe
15:13 wizzyrea      t
15:14 wizzyrea      and any other wierd manipulation of the queue list for a title you can think of
15:14 wizzyrea      so, say an item is checked in and a hold is deleted close to simultaneously
15:14 wizzyrea      am I out of my mind?
15:14 wizzyrea      it sort of explains everything
15:15 wizzyrea      so... it's not explicitly the code, if that makes sense
15:15 owen          It sounds like it might explain the duplicate consigned items, but I don't think it can explain the multiple priority ones and the weirdly high priority numbers
15:17 wizzyrea      but what if you have 4 different operations working on the same bib at the same time?
15:17 wizzyrea      seems to me like that's a recipe for queer behavior
15:18 wizzyrea      all advancing/editing/changing status of items
15:19 sekjal        wizzyrea: sounds like a theory worth investigating
15:19 owen          I suppose you could test by checking in two copies of an on-hold item simultaneously on two workstations
15:20 owen          Synchronized circ
15:20 sekjal        owen: the latest Library Olympics game!
15:21 wizzyrea      hehe
15:22 schuster      I have not played with Zotero much lately...  I know nengard knows it quite well.  what are you asking form and style?
15:23 wizzyrea      yea, that's my problem, I don't know how best to test it
15:25 wizzyrea      1. I don't have a super fast epic machine that can hold all of mysql in RAM 2. how exactly do you emulate 31 libraries processing items simultaneously
15:25 wizzyrea      my creativity is failing me here
15:29 sekjal        when I was looking at holds a couple weeks ago, there were a couple bad calls in Reserves.pm to _FixPriority().
15:29 gmcharlt      I think wizzyrea has been testing fixes to that, but it didn't help completely
15:30 sekjal        gmcharlt: ah, okay, I lost track of where we were with that
15:32 wizzyrea      not completely :/
15:32 wizzyrea      our situation is... this really started  happening in earnest when we were moved to this high memory instance
15:32 wizzyrea      our problems
15:32 wizzyrea      and this is on OLD code
15:32 wizzyrea      not even the new stuff
15:33 wizzyrea      I mean, for load testing we have a pretty good production setup
15:35 wizzyrea      nothing like a bunch of users to mess things up :_
15:35 wizzyrea      :)
15:35 wizzyrea      (I love our librarians, they're smart and capable and wonderful. They give the best problem reports)
15:35 wizzyrea      (even though we hate getting problem reports
15:35 wizzyrea      )
15:42 owen          wizzyrea: FWIW, I tried doing a simultaneous checkin of two copies of an on-hold title
15:42 wizzyrea      anything?
15:42 wizzyrea      or it worked right
15:42 wajasu        thinks it would be nice to have a call number creation helper when adding a new biblio/item according to the default classification rules. (i.e. lcc)
15:43 owen          I did get matching "hold found" messages, but nothing out of the ordinary even after confirming simultaneously
15:43 wizzyrea      wait wait
15:43 wajasu        maybe with the virtual shelves as well
15:43 wizzyrea      ok
15:43 wizzyrea      you got IDENTICAL hold found messages?
15:43 wizzyrea      what happens if you accept and transfer both
15:43 wizzyrea      so did one of them error out?
15:43 wizzyrea      what are the statuses like?
15:43 owen          Only one got allocated.
15:44 wizzyrea      but you could print slip and transfer
15:45 wizzyrea      for bnoyth
15:45 wizzyrea      both
15:45 wizzyrea      so as a staff member
15:45 wizzyrea      you see that message
15:45 wizzyrea      and you act
15:45 owen          Right, so it would explain why an item would get sent and then get no message upon check-in.
15:45 wizzyrea      ok, so that's a good thing to know
15:46 wizzyrea      what version do you have owen?
15:46 owen          3.01.00.061
15:47 wizzyrea      so you're a little bit ahead of me
15:47 wizzyrea      30ish DB revisions
15:47 owen          I suppose the next time one of your librarians received a book with a hold slip which didn't prompt them for any hold you could check the statistics table for when that item was last checked in, see if another of that biblio's items was checked in at the same time
15:48 owen          Kind of tedious, but...
15:54 wizzyrea      hmm true
15:56 owen          I'm not sure how you would solve the problem... Add some kind of logic to the hold confirmation process to warn the user if that hold had already been filled?
15:57 * paul_p      apologize not to be with you for this squashing session, but with my home being robbed, i'm tired & many sleeping hours late :'(
15:57 owen          What a terrible thing to experience paul_p! :(
15:58 paul_p        owen: true.
15:59 gmcharlt      paul_p: I'm sorry to hear that
16:06 wajasu        using the koha git, and staging my 16000 marc records, when its done, it returns all 16000 on page 1, but chunks for latter pages numbers. that changed from 3.0x? 16000  on the resulting page is maybe too big?
16:06 brendan       sorry to hear that paul_p
16:06 brendan       best of luck to you
16:14 chris_n       sorry paul_p
16:15 * chris_n     hopes they catch the scoundrels
16:16 paul_p        chris_n: The scientific police has found 3 fingerprints on the window they broke to enter, so maybe...
16:18 paul_p        just for fun : here in France, the "NCIS" tv series is quite famous. Our 2 oldest boys were expecting someone like on the TV coming. They were disappointed to see a single person, completly common, without any sign or tee-shirt, or gun,... :D
16:20 owen          paul_p: If they were a little older they'd be wishing it was the Abby character who visited ;)
16:20 wizzyrea      owen: I don't know what the code looks like for holds, so i'm speculating wildly on this
16:21 paul_p        owen: Simon (almost 15) like Abby, but is not really a gothic fan ;)
16:21 * wizzyrea    flaisl her arms
16:21 wizzyrea      flails even.
16:21 wizzyrea      but what about this
16:21 owen          It's hard to type when you're flailing
16:21 wizzyrea      instead of waiting for the user to say "yes, confirm this"
16:21 wizzyrea      confirm by default, then UN do if the hold is denied by the user
16:22 wizzyrea      so, the moment it pops you a message
16:22 wizzyrea      it should say "print slip"
16:22 wizzyrea      or ignore
16:22 paul_p        wizzyrea: nicomo already asked for this (it's gmail behaviour). But it's VERY complex to implement in fact. really
16:22 wizzyrea      i believe it
16:23 wizzyrea      but... ahem... other ILS's don't have this problem :(
16:24 nicomo        wizzyrea: it seems you and I and many others have expectations biased by the Google Gods
16:25 wizzyrea      nicomo: I have an expectation that when 2 items are checked in at the same time for a hold, only one of them has the option to print slip and transfer
16:25 wizzyrea      :)
16:25 nicomo        see, just what I was saying
16:25 nicomo        ;-)
16:25 wizzyrea      lol, so how does google do it >..
16:25 wizzyrea      >.>
16:25 wizzyrea      how DO they DO IT
16:25 wizzyrea      :D
16:26 * wizzyrea    made herself laugh
16:26 nicomo        which is always good, to a point... don't scare your co-workers though
16:27 wizzyrea      lol they're used to me giggling at virtual things
16:28 wizzyrea      what I'm saying is that the moment an item is checked in, if it is to fill a hold, it needs to lock it's item rightthen, until the user decides what to do
16:29 wizzyrea      flip a bit saying "in process" or something
16:29 wizzyrea      or waiting user
16:29 nicomo        +1
16:29 owen          wizzyrea: But think about the simultaneous check-in scenario:
16:30 owen          One item gets allocated for the priority 1 patron
16:30 owen          The other item gets allocated for the priority 2 patron.
16:30 wizzyrea      the user with the dupe would get another message saying "check this item in again, that item is not available"
16:30 owen          The first item gets its allocation cancelled
16:30 wizzyrea      or that hold isn't available, I mean
16:31 owen          That's assuming there is only one hold
16:31 wizzyrea      flip the bit back to "ready"
16:31 wizzyrea      you have ready for hold, and waiting user
16:32 wizzyrea      basically, if there is a wait status (a message on the screen) the item should be unavailable to all other clients
16:33 wizzyrea      other clients are free to pick from any other item to fill holds, just not that one
16:33 wizzyrea      (or any with wait messages)
16:33 wizzyrea      i know, it's impossible to implement
16:33 nicomo        holds give me headaches, to tell you the truth
16:34 wizzyrea      they give everybody headaches
16:34 owen          ditto
16:34 nicomo        really? Now I feel better already
16:34 nicomo        :-)
16:34 wizzyrea      :)
16:35 nicomo        wizzyrea: I see your point, but I'd say you need to really think it through; with holds, sideeffects happen really quickly
16:35 wizzyrea      ok, so barring a technical fix (which I contend will *have* to be done sooner rather than later) -- how do you mitigate this problem?
16:35 wizzyrea      hehe, yea, we've noticed that
16:37 wizzyrea      I mean, with 31 (soon to be 33) libraries, all open between 8am and 8pm, how do we reduce the number of times a duplicate item is sent to fill any given hold?
16:41 nicomo        wizzyrea: such a good question everyone went silent
16:42 wizzyrea      the chances of items from the same bib getting scanned in our system is alarmingly high
16:43 wizzyrea      (that is to say, it happens daily)
16:46 gmcharlt      and patrons have an annoying habit of all wanting the Harry Potter du jour ;)
16:46 wizzyrea      yea, and it really sucks to have a popular title out of commission because of a dupe hold :(
16:46 wizzyrea      er, dupe transit
16:47 wizzyrea      takes an item out of circulation for at least 3-4 days while it's finding it's way to it's next proper location
16:47 wizzyrea      (assuming that it's not chain-duped, of course)
16:48 schuster      I have forced copy specific holds - and people are using our webself check option but holds continue to pop up that should be copy specific so there may be something else yet amiss.
16:48 schuster      The pop up says this title is on hold for... but it can't be as it was a copy specific request.
16:49 wizzyrea      that sounds like human error to me -- where someone placed a title level hold by accident
16:49 wizzyrea      oh wait you said you disallowed that
16:49 wizzyrea      never mind
17:28 schuster      Very odd thing...  I have a title Polio - Hecht - that on the bib display has one item on it - but in the summary display has 5...  What's wrong with this picture?
17:28 schuster      When I edit the record there is only one item but when I search by barcode for an item that isn't displayed it brings up this bib...???
17:29 schuster      catalog.pisd.edu - search polio and then look for the one by hecht
17:30 wizzyrea      schuster: almost every time I've had a funky display like that flipping the framework for the bib helped (it rewrites the record). you can then flip it back to whatever framework it was originally.
17:32 schuster      hmmm reindex required?
17:33 wizzyrea      I don't think so, but I don't know for sure
17:33 schuster      I've got a log in with our support company to see what they say.
17:33 wizzyrea      (and that hasn't fixed every one of them, some we had to have help with, and they didn't tell us what they did)
17:34 schuster      that was helpful...
17:34 owen          It was probably a proprietary process
17:44 schuster      my proprietary data... ;)
19:26 magnus        um, shouldn't the value of a syspref with type = YesNo be either 1 or 0?
19:33 magnus        if so, i'm either missing something or there is something wrong with the booleans in the .pref-files: http://koha.pastebin.com/mTFYerLT
19:36 jdavidb       That first select you did, magnus, returned 62 "0" and 90 "1" values, on one of my test instances, but it's not at 3.2A
19:37 magnus        thanks, jdavidb - it looks like the most instersting question is if you have changed any prefs with the new syspref editor?
19:38 jdavidb       On a 3.2A, I get 1 NULL, 90 "0" and 54 "1" values.
19:38 jdavidb       I haven't, but the 3.2A box is jwagner's sandbox, not mine.  She *might* have.
19:39 magnus        could you try and change something and then change it back and do the sql again?
19:39 jdavidb       Sure, just a moment.
19:41 jdavidb       Same result; I checked to make sure I had dinked a YesNo-defined var, too.
19:42 jdavidb       TagsModeration is my NULL one.
19:42 magnus        hm, strange!
19:43 jdavidb       sysprefs.sql defined it that way; this is a fresh installation.  (or was, when I did it.)
19:44 jdavidb       Probably want to patch that to make it zero by default, rather than NULL, just for tidiness' sake.
19:44 nengard       hi all - i need at least one more koha tip article and one more article with news from a koha library - any takers??
19:45 * jdavidb     heard "koha tip article" and couldn't help thinking, "if you stand a Koha server on the smallest side, it will tip over more easily."
19:45 nengard       goofy boy
19:45 jdavidb       :P
20:10 magnus        hm, looks like my yes/no/1/0 problem only happens when i have selected norwegian as the language for the staff client, not when i have selected english...
20:12 psychokiller  hi
20:12 psychokiller  i've been trying to find someone to help me with installation for koha
20:13 psychokiller  is anybody kind to do so ?
20:19 owen          What's causing you trouble psychokiller?
20:19 psychokiller  nobody ?
20:19 psychokiller  i have installed Ubuntu server
20:19 psychokiller  are you willing to help ?
20:20 psychokiller  so should i change to Ubuntu ?
20:20 psychokiller  ACtually i installed Ubuntu server in a virtual box in Ubuntu 9.10
20:20 owen          Where are you running into trouble?
20:21 psychokiller  ill tell you all about it when i switch to ubuntu in 2 minutes
20:21 psychokiller  brb
20:21 rhcl          well
20:28 psychokiller  hey owen
20:28 psychokiller  im in Ubuntu now
20:28 psychokiller  i have some problem i think with Perl
20:28 psychokiller  cant install it
20:29 psychokiller  i think i i didnt go beyond 1.6
20:30 * owen        thought Ubuntu had Perl by default
20:30 psychokiller  it has ?
20:30 psychokiller  but the install txt
20:30 psychokiller  says to install it
20:31 * owen        has only installed Koha from scratch a couple of times, could be wrong
20:31 rhcl          If you do >perl -version, from a console, it shows perl is not installed?
20:31 psychokiller  that is a normal Ubuntu ?
20:31 psychokiller  sorry but don't i have to insTALL koha
20:31 psychokiller  on a UBuntu SERVER ?
20:32 psychokiller  instead of plain desktop Ubuntu ?
20:32 owen          You can install on Ubuntu Desktop if you want to
20:32 owen          That's what I test Koha on.
20:32 psychokiller  i can ?
20:32 psychokiller  anyway perl is on Ubuntu server
20:33 psychokiller  but what is the STEP-By-step procedure ?
20:33 psychokiller  in plain english
20:34 Ropuch        blazingmoon
20:35 Ropuch        http://www.blazingmoon.org/guides/k3-on-u810-1.html
20:36 psychokiller  i have 9.10 instead of 8.10
20:36 nengard       wizzyrea around?
20:36 schuster      How can I test Z39.50?  My test/production connection to MarcEdit keep kicking me that it isn't available.
20:37 Ropuch        psychokiller I have step-by-step copy/paste guide to ubuntu 9.10, but it's in polish
20:38 psychokiller  polish ?
20:38 Ropuch        You can always try google translate
20:38 psychokiller  can i googletranslate it ?
20:38 psychokiller  oh yes
20:38 Ropuch        http://bagno.be/poradniki/instalacja-koha/
20:38 psychokiller  long live the Pope
20:39 Ropuch        As it's meant to be copy & paste guide For My Mom, even poor translation should be good ;>
20:39 psychokiller  did your mon install it ?
20:40 Ropuch        Not yet, but I'm gonna make her do it when I;m at home finally ;>
20:41 psychokiller  thats in Warsaw ?
20:41 Ropuch        I wanted to give oportunity to trykoha to polish average librarian Jane without technical knowledge
20:41 Ropuch        Warsaw is our capital, I live in Wroclaw, my parents in Piotrkow Trybunalski, about 150km from Warsaw
20:41 psychokiller  thats less than 2 hours away !
20:42 psychokiller  dont complain
20:42 wizzyrea      did you come here to help, or to insult us?
20:42 wizzyrea      s/to/for
20:42 psychokiller  me ?
20:42 psychokiller  i came to BE HELPED
20:42 psychokiller  lol
20:43 Ropuch        psychokiller: I'm not complaing, just answering your question :)
20:43 Ropuch        Hi wizzyrea
20:44 joetho        schuster: see pm
20:45 Ropuch        Anyway: in this guide I'm using standard Ubuntu desktop install, but I believe any missing dependencies will be installed by apt
20:49 owen          psychokiller: I would imagine the web it full of Ubuntu install guides which cover installing Apache, Perl and MySQL. I somehow managed it.
20:49 psychokiller  thats not my problem
20:49 owen          If google translate does a bad job on Ropuch's guide you could do some searching
20:49 psychokiller  i have installed XAMP
20:49 psychokiller  and other
20:50 psychokiller  im installing the polish one
20:50 owen          I would recommend installing things the Ubuntu way rather than XAMP.
20:51 wajasu        running koha via git.  I can't seem to figure out how to print a barcode label.  by what link/path?
20:51 owen          wajasu: Tools -> Label creator
20:51 schuster      do you have the quick spinelabel option turned on in cataloging syspref?
20:51 wajasu        new batch?
20:52 wajasu        i did do a quick spine label. (no barcode)
20:53 Ropuch        owen: i started by writing guide hot to install & configure VirtualBox on Windows and then Ubuntu inside it
20:53 wajasu        i see.  add batch, they search and select
20:56 wajasu        i'm running schroot, with aufs  (arch32 --> koha perl --> kohagit  stacked via aufs).  Its fast and less disk space.  Now I have a schroot aufs stack with archlinux64 --> koha perl -->kohagit.
21:00 wajasu        ok. i see select a batch and export to pdf
21:19 psychokiller  inserting this
21:19 psychokiller  sudo echo "grant all on koha.* to \'kohaadmin\'@\'localhost\' identified by \'katikoan\';" | mysql -uroot -p
21:19 psychokiller  i get this answer
21:19 psychokiller  ERROR at line 1: Unknown command '\''.
21:20 owen          Have you tried logging in to mysql directly and trying the "grant all" from there?
21:21 psychokiller  no
21:21 psychokiller  i removed the \ s
21:21 psychokiller  and it seems it worked
21:21 Ropuch        psychokiller: remove \
21:21 Ropuch        oh
21:21 Ropuch        :)
21:23 psychokiller  im going on
21:23 psychokiller  and on
21:24 Ropuch        Installing perl modules?
21:26 psychokiller  yes
21:26 psychokiller  done that
21:28 Ropuch        Hope the guide is useful
21:31 psychokiller  it is up to now !
21:31 psychokiller  ill tell you if it goes smoothly in a while
21:32 psychokiller  so how is Poland this year ?
21:32 psychokiller  still hating the Russians ?
21:32 Ropuch        hehe
21:32 Ropuch        Some people do, some don't, some don't care
21:32 Ropuch        ;>
21:33 psychokiller  yes but 'officialy' you have to hate Russians ? don't you ?
21:33 Ropuch        Lol, no
21:33 psychokiller  come on ... that's what they teach you in school
21:33 Ropuch        20 years ago we 'officialy' had to love them
21:33 psychokiller  in history lessons
21:33 psychokiller  well not russians per se
21:34 psychokiller  that was the CCCP
21:34 Ropuch        psychokiller: I must have ben reading another books
21:34 psychokiller  it was Lenin after all who was the first statesman to claim that the 3rd partition was null!
21:34 psychokiller  come on now guys
21:34 psychokiller  he did it
21:35 psychokiller  ok i admit he made a wrong invasion in 1920-21
21:35 psychokiller  but he laid the ground for polish independence
21:35 Ropuch        We have different definitions of 'independence' then
21:36 joethoks_away GO PSYCHOKILLER GO
21:36 joethoks_away jk
21:36 Ropuch        But I still don't hate russians :)
21:36 psychokiller  you're polish you hate Russian by definition
21:36 psychokiller  lol
21:37 joethoks_away now now now.
21:37 joethoks_away That would be an american phrase, meaning "get back to being productive and happy"
21:37 Ropuch        Yea, yea, I;m polish, which mean I'm drunkard and stealing cars in Germany is job, i hate russians, eat only sausage, drinks wodka instead of morning coffee
21:37 joethoks_away See how easy that was?
21:37 joethoks_away Thank you.
21:38 Ropuch        :)
21:38 psychokiller  no actually i know only ONE stereotype for Poles
21:38 psychokiller  that is THEY HATE RUSSIANS
21:38 psychokiller  dont know much...
21:38 psychokiller  lol
21:38 Ropuch        Oh, that's quite light-stereotypes
21:39 psychokiller  so Poles are stealing cars in Germany ?
21:39 psychokiller  never heard of that I thought Greeks where doing that
21:39 psychokiller  *were
21:39 Ropuch        Being accused of hatingrussians is not that bad comparedto being perceived as filthy barrbarin drunk thief ;>
21:39 Ropuch        Well
21:40 psychokiller  are poles going to Germany ?
21:40 joethoks_away <---clears throat, loudly
21:40 Ropuch        ;>
21:40 psychokiller  have they surpassed the greek and the turkish community there ?
21:40 Ropuch        psychokiller: dunno actually
21:41 Ropuch        Once I've read some german joke" "Visit Poland during holiday, your car is already there"
21:42 psychokiller  ha
21:42 Ropuch        ha
21:42 psychokiller  that's just racist jokes
21:43 psychokiller  we have same jokes for Albanians here
21:43 psychokiller  dont like em
21:43 psychokiller  actually i would rather beat some asses of those who spread em
21:43 psychokiller  well actually the fucking germans shouldn complain to much
21:43 psychokiller  as they start a war every 30 years
21:44 psychokiller  sorry about that...
21:44 Ropuch        But if I came to your country and I'll get a job and will be working hard, be good neighbour you don't say" "poles are good and hard working people"; if I'' go to your countryand rob your houes, you'll probably generalize" poles are thieves" ;>
21:44 psychokiller  I wouldnt do that
21:44 Ropuch        psychokiller: let's cut ther discussion here
21:44 richard       careful psychokiller, there are people from nationalities here
21:44 psychokiller  ok
21:44 psychokiller  sorry
21:44 Ropuch        This channel is not about nation steretypes and hatred
21:45 psychokiller  sorry
21:45 psychokiller  i apologize
21:45 joethoks_away Correct. Change subject back to Koha please.
21:45 Ropuch        Besides - like richard said - we have people from all around the world
21:45 Ropuch        Anyway, psychokiller, how is your Koha install?
21:46 psychokiller  well it seems i have reached a stupid step
21:46 psychokiller  the one of downloading koha itself
21:46 psychokiller  which i already have
21:46 psychokiller  so im waiting ....
21:47 psychokiller  wget http://download.koha.org/koha-3.00.05.tar.gz
21:47 psychokiller  im in this step
21:47 psychokiller  but oh well that is pointless
21:47 psychokiller  because i already have the .gz thing
21:47 psychokiller  can i abort it from the console ?
21:47 Ropuch        So you can skip it and proceed to next step
21:47 Ropuch        ctr+c
21:54 psychokiller  ooops
21:54 psychokiller  perl Makefile.PL
21:54 psychokiller  i get this
21:54 psychokiller  Can't open perl script "Makefile.PL": No such file or directory
21:55 Ropuch        Oh
21:55 Ropuch        cd koha-3.00.05
21:55 Ropuch        and than perl Makefile.PL
21:55 Ropuch        It was second part of step you skipped
22:00 psychokiller  ha
22:00 psychokiller  you've written this ?
22:00 psychokiller  "Probably already drank tea"
22:01 psychokiller  well not Tea exactly
22:01 psychokiller  lol
22:01 Ropuch        That was written by uncle google, but yes, the comments are mine ;>
22:02 Ropuch        I didn't want to write another technical install guide, my comments were meant to encourage people to proceed with install
22:03 psychokiller  no no i was commenting about the Tea par
22:03 psychokiller  t
22:03 Ropuch        I'm yet to find out if this approach is working
22:03 psychokiller  Ropuch
22:04 psychokiller  i just entered
22:04 psychokiller  sudo make install
22:04 psychokiller  Instalujemy sudo make install Trochę to trwało, ale jesteśmy juz prawie przy końcu.
22:04 psychokiller  and got this
22:04 psychokiller  as a response
22:05 psychokiller  /usr/bin/perl "-Iblib/arch" "-Iblib/lib" fix-perl-path.PL blib
22:05 psychokiller  /usr/bin/perl "-Iblib/arch" "-Iblib/lib" rewrite-config.PL blib/KOHA_CONF_DIR/koha-conf.xml
22:05 psychokiller  Can't open blib/KOHA_CONF_DIR/koha-conf.xml for read at rewrite-config.PL line 172.
22:05 psychokiller  make: *** [blib/KOHA_CONF_DIR/koha-conf.xml] Error 2
22:05 psychokiller  is the error 2 OK ?
22:05 psychokiller  or not
22:05 psychokiller  ?
22:05 Ropuch        Strange
22:06 psychokiller  yes ?
22:06 Ropuch        23:04 < psychokiller> Instalujemy sudo make install Troch� to trwa�o, ale jeste�my juz prawie przy ko�cu.
22:06 Ropuch        You've pasted this line?
22:07 psychokiller  no
22:07 Ropuch        Just sudo make install?
22:07 psychokiller  i pasted this :  sudo make install
22:08 psychokiller  should i proceed ?
22:09 Ropuch        Give me sec, I'm doing make just now
22:10 Ropuch        You've run make && make test?
22:16 psychokiller  sorry ?
22:16 psychokiller  ive run make install
22:16 psychokiller  ah yes and kame and make test
22:16 Ropuch        After perl Makefile.PL - have you run make && make test
22:16 psychokiller  you 're right
22:16 Ropuch        Before running sudo make install?
22:17 psychokiller  yes i did that
22:18 psychokiller  i got a lot of :
22:18 psychokiller  Manifying ....
22:18 psychokiller  etc
22:18 psychokiller  and at the end
22:18 psychokiller  Can't open blib/KOHA_CONF_DIR/koha-conf.xml for read at rewrite-config.PL line 172.
22:18 psychokiller  make: *** [blib/KOHA_CONF_DIR/koha-conf.xml] Error 2
22:22 psychokiller  oh shit
22:22 psychokiller  when i go this step
22:22 psychokiller  :
22:22 psychokiller  Gotowe! Teraz możemy udać się pod adres http://127.0.1.1:8080, odpowiedzieć na kilka pytań i cieszyć się własnoręcznie zainstalowanym systemem bibliotecznym. Jeśli nic nie zmienialiśmy w trakcie konfiguracji, logujemy się na konto kohaadmin z hasłem katikoan.
22:22 psychokiller  i get this
22:23 psychokiller  Koha error 						The following fatal error has occurred:                          DBD driver has not implemented the AutoCommit attribute at /usr/lib/perl5/DBI.pm line 705. Compilation failed in require at /usr/share/koha/lib/C4/Circulation.pm line 25. BEGIN failed--compilation aborted at /usr/share/koha/lib/C4/Circulation.pm line 25. Compilation failed in require at /usr/share/koha/lib/C4/Overdues.pm line 24. BEGIN failed--compilation abo
22:23 Ropuch        Ok ok
22:23 Ropuch        So first remove /usr/share/koha
22:23 Ropuch        sudo r, -fr /usr/share/koha
22:24 Ropuch        guh
22:24 Ropuch        sudo rm -fr /usr/share/koha
22:24 psychokiller  yes...
22:24 psychokiller  done that
22:24 Ropuch        Then run make clean
22:24 psychokiller  ?
22:25 psychokiller  what do i type ?
22:25 Ropuch        make clean
22:25 psychokiller  that does nothing
22:25 psychokiller  make: *** No rule to make target `clean'.  Stop.
22:25 psychokiller  thats what it responds
22:26 psychokiller  orestes@orestespc:/etc/apache2/sites-available$
22:26 psychokiller  im in this directory
22:26 psychokiller  maybe that is the problem
22:26 Ropuch        Go to your koha-3.00.05
22:26 psychokiller  that is cd what ?
22:26 Ropuch        directory
22:26 Ropuch        Where you extracted the tar file
22:27 psychokiller  well...
22:27 psychokiller  hmmmmm
22:27 psychokiller  where is that
22:27 psychokiller  lets see
22:27 psychokiller  what is the default by your install?
22:28 Ropuch        cd ~/projekt-koha/koha-3.00.05
22:28 psychokiller  aha
22:28 Ropuch        And then make clean
22:28 psychokiller  well it seems fine now
22:28 psychokiller  i did that
22:29 psychokiller  next ?
22:29 Ropuch        rm -rf ./blib
22:29 Ropuch        just to be sure
22:29 psychokiller  did that
22:29 psychokiller  nothing special
22:29 Ropuch        And then unfortunatelly perl Makefile.PL
22:29 psychokiller  but nothing weird either
22:30 psychokiller  done that
22:30 psychokiller  no error dispaly
22:30 psychokiller  *display
22:30 Ropuch        You've done with basic configuration?
22:30 psychokiller  i pressed ENTER in all
22:30 psychokiller  lol
22:30 Ropuch        :)
22:30 Ropuch        make
22:31 psychokiller  sorry ?
22:31 wajasu        are book covers cached one retrieved?
22:31 Ropuch        And go grab some tea, it takes some time in 3.00.5 ;>
22:31 psychokiller  shouldn't i do make && make test ?
22:32 Ropuch        When make is finished we'll run make test :)
22:32 psychokiller  what's the problem if i do both twice ?
22:33 psychokiller  both at the same time that is
22:33 psychokiller  (and im not going to drink tea this time of hour)
22:34 psychokiller  oh its READY
22:34 psychokiller  no error
22:34 psychokiller  YEAAAAAAAH!!!
22:34 psychokiller  oh no
22:34 psychokiller  there is an error
22:34 Ropuch        ?
22:34 psychokiller  Can't open blib/KOHA_CONF_DIR/koha-conf.xml for read at rewrite-config.PL line 172.
22:34 psychokiller  make: *** [blib/KOHA_CONF_DIR/koha-conf.xml] Error 2
22:35 psychokiller  i assume it is the same error
22:35 psychokiller  not sure 'though
22:35 Ropuch        It's the same
22:35 psychokiller  so what is the remedy ?
22:35 Ropuch        Can you run
22:35 Ropuch        df -h
22:36 psychokiller  yes
22:36 Ropuch        Maybe you've run out of disk space?
22:36 wizzyrea      it looks like your config file didn't get written correctly
22:36 Ropuch        wizzyrea: the questin is why
22:36 psychokiller  Filesystem            Size  Used Avail Use% Mounted on
22:36 psychokiller  /dev/sdb2             7.4G  4.1G  3.0G  59% /
22:36 psychokiller  udev                 1007M  276K 1007M   1% /dev
22:36 psychokiller  none                 1007M  772K 1006M   1% /dev/shm
22:36 psychokiller  none                 1007M  100K 1007M   1% /var/run
22:36 psychokiller  none                 1007M     0 1007M   0% /var/lock
22:36 psychokiller  none                 1007M     0 1007M   0% /lib/init/rw
22:36 psychokiller  /dev/sdb5              27G  5.0G   22G  19% /home
22:36 psychokiller  /dev/sdb3             432G  107G  326G  25% /media/???? ?????
22:37 Ropuch        I'm sure the disk space is not the issue here
22:37 psychokiller  so what is the step i've done wrong ?
22:37 Ropuch        I can't say really
22:38 Ropuch        I found similar error message: http://lists.katipo.co.nz/public/koha/2009-April/017794.html
22:39 Ropuch        psychokiller: I'm really guessing here, but can you wget another tarball of koha?
22:39 psychokiller  what tarball would that be ?
22:40 Ropuch        Ok
22:40 Ropuch        cd ~/projekt-koha/ && rm -fr koha-3.00.05
22:41 Ropuch        Then start wit
22:41 Ropuch        With
22:41 Ropuch        wget http://download.koha.org/koha-3.00.05.tar.gz
22:41 psychokiller  hmmmmmmmmmmmmm
22:41 Ropuch        ANd try to proceed, if the error will occur again, I'm out of ideas
22:41 psychokiller  i already have that
22:41 Ropuch        I know
22:41 psychokiller  but well lets try it anyway
22:42 Ropuch        Your box seems to handle make pretty fast ;>
22:45 psychokiller  my box ?
22:45 psychokiller  what box ?
22:45 psychokiller  my Ubuntu Desktop is not on a Virtual Box
22:45 psychokiller  its real
22:48 Ropuch        I mean your computer
22:59 psychokiller  it displays :
22:59 psychokiller  sudo gedit /etc/apache2/ports.conf
22:59 psychokiller  oops soory
22:59 psychokiller  not really
22:59 psychokiller  Saving to: `koha-3.00.05.tar.gz.1'
22:59 psychokiller  that's what its displaying
22:59 psychokiller  is it ok ?
23:01 Ropuch        yep
23:01 Ropuch        Now
23:01 Ropuch        rm koha-3.00.05.tar.gz
23:01 Ropuch        mv koha-3.00.05.tar.gz.1 koha-3.00.05.tar.gz
23:01 psychokiller  well downloading is not quite done
23:01 psychokiller  he
23:01 Ropuch        ohg
23:02 Ropuch        Then wait till it's done
23:04 Ropuch        After it's done, paste the two lines I'ce gave above and start with tar -zxvf koha-3.00.05.tar.gz && cd koha-3.00.05 step
23:04 Ropuch        It's about time to get some sleep for me
23:04 psychokiller  sleep ?
23:04 psychokiller  thats pointless
23:04 Ropuch        ;>
23:05 Ropuch        It's gonna be a busy day tomorrow
23:06 Ropuch        Anyway - I hope you succeed
23:06 psychokiller  well if i dont
23:06 psychokiller  you'll see me again
23:06 psychokiller  !
23:06 psychokiller  lol
23:06 Ropuch        ;>
23:08 psychokiller  gzip: stdin: unexpected end of file
23:08 psychokiller  koha-3.00.05/koha-tmpl/intranet-tmpl/prog/sv-SE/js/tinymce/jscripts/tiny_mce/plugins/media/media.htm
23:08 psychokiller  koha-3.00.05/koha-tmpl/intranet-tmpl/prog/sv-SE/js/tinymce/jscripts/tiny_mce/plugins/media/editor_plugin_src.js
23:08 psychokiller  tar: Unexpected EOF in archive
23:08 psychokiller  tar: Unexpected EOF in archive
23:08 psychokiller  tar: Error is not recoverable: exiting now
23:08 Ropuch        I should be online tomorrow 8-9am (gmt+1)
23:08 psychokiller  what i get
23:08 Ropuch        Hm
23:09 Ropuch        wget exitted without error?
23:10 psychokiller  yes
23:10 psychokiller  no error there
23:10 psychokiller  thats what i get after some activiyt
23:10 psychokiller  with the tar.... command
23:10 Ropuch        huh
23:10 Ropuch        ok
23:11 psychokiller  ok?
23:11 psychokiller  should i proceed ?
23:11 Ropuch        clean your ~/projekt-koha directory and try get koha from mirror
23:11 Ropuch        it's not ok
23:12 psychokiller  a mirror ?
23:12 psychokiller  but how can i do that from a console ?
23:12 Ropuch        wget http://d10xg45o6p6dbl.cloudfront.net/projects/k/koha/koha-3.00.05.tar.gz
23:13 psychokiller  ok
23:13 psychokiller  go to sleep
23:13 Ropuch        Yep
23:13 psychokiller  actually
23:13 Ropuch        Good night
23:13 psychokiller  i cant see you tommorow
23:13 psychokiller  because i have a russian lesson
23:13 psychokiller  lol
23:14 Ropuch        I have german lesson in the evening ;>
23:14 psychokiller  ill be here the day after tommorow
23:14 psychokiller  ok bye
23:14 Ropuch        Bye
23:40 moodaepo      @wunder 56001
23:41 moodaepo      @weather 56001
23:41 munin         moodaepo: The current temperature in South on Monks, Mankato, Minnesota is 1.9�C (5:37 PM CST on March 09, 2010). Conditions: Overcast. Humidity: 95%. Dew Point: 1.0�C. Windchill: -2.0�C. Pressure: 29.65 in 1003.9 hPa (Falling).  Dense fog advisory in effect until 6 am CST Wednesday... 
23:44 psychokiller  @weather 56001
23:44 munin         psychokiller: The current temperature in South on Monks, Mankato, Minnesota is 1.9�C (5:42 PM CST on March 09, 2010). Conditions: Overcast. Humidity: 95%. Dew Point: 1.0�C. Windchill: -2.0�C. Pressure: 29.65 in 1003.9 hPa (Falling).  Dense fog advisory in effect until 6 am CST Wednesday... 
23:44 psychokiller  @weather 000007
23:44 munin         psychokiller: Error: HTTP Error 500: Server Error
23:45 psychokiller  @weather 00999
23:45 munin         psychokiller: Error: HTTP Error 500: Server Error
23:59 psychokiller  is anybody here ?
23:59 psychokiller  Koha error 						The following fatal error has occurred:                          DBD driver has not implemented the AutoCommit attribute at /usr/lib/perl5/DBI.pm line 705. Compilation failed in require at /usr/share/koha/lib/C4/Auth.pm line 30. BEGIN failed--compilation aborted at /usr/share/koha/lib/C4/Auth.pm line 30. Compilation failed in require at /usr/share/koha/intranet/cgi-bin/mainpage.pl line 23. BEGIN failed--compilation aborted