Time Nick Message 00:02 titleistfour hello 00:02 titleistfour can someone answer a few questions about importing marc records into koha? 00:02 brendan go ahead and ask :) 00:03 titleistfour thanks! 00:03 titleistfour i'm trying to setup koha 3.00.06, and i'm import records from an old software program called Concourse 00:03 titleistfour i'm been able to export all the biblio records to MARC format 00:04 titleistfour but when I import, none of the items come over 00:04 titleistfour i took a look at the MARC file 00:04 titleistfour and all the individual items are in MARC record 852, but it looks like koha is expecting them in 952? 00:04 titleistfour or field 00:04 brendan yes you are correct koha wants them in the 952 field 00:05 titleistfour is there a way I can tell koha to look somewhere else? 00:05 titleistfour or have the import move them for me? 00:05 brendan you could do that. but you'd also have to edit a few other files 00:05 brendan some of the 952's are hardcoded into the system 00:05 titleistfour hmm..what is the recommended way of doing something like this then? 00:06 brendan for the indexing engine 00:06 brendan have you looked at marcedit 00:06 titleistfour yes, thats what I opened the files with 00:06 titleistfour should i just edit all the records? 00:06 brendan ok 00:06 brendan in koha if you go to administration 00:06 brendan you'll see a section that is title > koha to MARC mapping 00:07 titleistfour yes 00:07 brendan if you go to the items section (in the pull down) 00:07 brendan you'll see what fields koha wants which information 00:07 titleistfour ok 00:07 titleistfour i see them 00:07 titleistfour quite a few 00:08 brendan not all of them are important 00:08 titleistfour ok 00:08 titleistfour so i need to edit my MARC export to match this? 00:09 titleistfour and then the import should work? 00:12 titleistfour is that correct? 00:12 brendan sounds good 00:15 titleistfour what if I have thousands of records to import? 00:15 titleistfour and what if that 852 field is a different format? 00:15 titleistfour should I change the koha field? or would it be easier to leave that alone? 00:17 brendan using marcedit you should be able to bulk edit the records 00:17 brendan swaping the information from 852 to the correct 952 field 00:17 brendan so 852 <barcode> to 952_$p 00:18 titleistfour well i think there is more information in the 852 field 00:18 titleistfour it appears that there is several things 00:19 titleistfour 1\$aMain Library$hB$i580$i.L6$p00000006$x{lcub}BookSysInc::00000006::A@@ ::BookSysInc{rcub}$9{dollar} 0.00 00:19 titleistfour i'm not exactly sure what all of that is 00:19 titleistfour some of it i know 00:19 titleistfour is that a custom field you think? 00:20 titleistfour custom from the older software? 00:20 titleistfour i think the $ is the seperator 00:21 titleistfour can koha seperate those for me? 00:22 titleistfour i guess if I know what koha is expecting, then i can bulk edit that field to match so the import works 00:31 titleistfour ok thanks brendan 01:02 titleistfour \quit 01:16 brendan @wunder 93117 01:16 munin brendan: The current temperature in Northwest Goleta, Goleta, California is 14.9�C (5:14 PM PST on March 01, 2010). Conditions: Overcast. Humidity: 74%. Dew Point: 10.0�C. Pressure: 30.04 in 1017.2 hPa (Rising). 01:18 chris_n heya brendan 01:18 brendan hey chris_n 01:18 brendan how goes things? 01:18 chris_n not too swell atm 01:18 brendan ooh sorry 01:19 * chris_n is grabbing images of a catastrophically failed raid 5 array with no backup 01:19 chris_n and looking forward to a night of stitching the images back together to do data recovery 01:20 brendan good luck 01:20 brendan i think luck is the correct term there 01:20 chris_n heh 01:48 chris you're up late schuster 01:56 brendan fly bye 01:56 brendan hehe 01:56 chris yup 01:56 brendan alright cya later or by the time I get home 02:30 schuster I'm having trouble getting Zebra to run on my 3.2 lenny... Any suggestions? 02:41 schuster figured it out didn't like my sym link for some reason. night all 03:32 brendan wow auto-truncation is pretty lousy (or maybe my search terms are pretty lousy) 03:45 Amit_G hi all 03:55 chris_n hi Amit_G 03:55 Amit_G hi chris_n 04:55 Anshul Hi 04:56 Amit_G hi Anshul 04:57 Anshul I have installed koha and all ita modules 04:57 brendan heya Amit_G 04:58 Anshul but when making koha... it gives me wierd error that GD 2.39 and XML::RSS 1.31 is not installed.. although both are installed 04:59 Amit_G heya brendan 05:10 CGI763 hi all 05:11 CGI763 catalogue search from my system is not working? how can I resolve this problem 05:11 CGI763 as Im using koha3.004_fixed 05:11 CGI763 on debian-lenny 05:18 Anshul I have installed koha3.00.04_fixed in fedora 12 05:29 CGI135 I have installed koha-3.004_fixed on debian-lenny but catalogue search from my pc is not working yet 05:29 CGI135 could any one resolve my problem 05:47 CGI135 is any one help me 05:47 CGI135 ? 07:31 ropuch Morning #koha 07:31 Amit_G heya Ropuch 07:41 Amit_G heya nicomo 07:41 nicomo hi Amit_G 07:42 magnus hiya #koha 07:42 Amit_G heya magnus 07:43 magnus hi Amit_G 07:45 chris evening 07:46 paul_p hello world 07:46 magnus evening, chris 08:30 paul_p spring here : birds are singing !!! 08:31 chris heh 08:32 magnus spring here too : the sun is shining! 08:35 magnus i wonder... i will be promoting koha at the big, norwegian library conference in two weeks - should i use 3.2 alpha or the demo i have running which is at 3.01.00.061 08:37 chris use master, its alpha plus a ton of bugfixes 08:38 magnus i think i will do that, yes 08:38 magnus need to do some work on the translations, at least for the opac 08:38 chris yup 08:40 magnus chris: i meant to ask you about that: the PO files seem to contain stuff like the subfieldselectors from XSLT - should they just be repeated or not translated or...? 08:40 chris yeah, just copy and submit 08:40 magnus ok 08:41 chris i think i have gotten pootle working a little faster 08:41 magnus and large chunks of xslt, like #43 and 44 here: http://translate.koha.org/nb/opac3_1/nb-NO-i-opac-t-prog-v-3002000.po?item=40&view_mode=translate ? 08:42 chris yep, copy and submit again :) 08:42 magnus ok 08:42 magnus those are som MARC21 XSLT anyway, and i will use "my own" xslt for normarc 08:43 chris right you could ignore those then 08:44 magnus H, OK 08:44 magnus ah, ok 08:49 Genji hiya 08:50 Genji for some reason, i have three zebraqueue instances running, this okay? 08:52 Genji and three zebrasrv's 08:53 chris do you have 3 koha's? 08:53 chris in which case thats fine, if not it seems pretty pointless 08:55 Genji hmm.. just did a diff on some init.d files... found that at last two of those zebrasrv's were started in init.d.. and the init.d files are exactly the same. 08:55 Genji starting the same config file, twice... 08:56 chris yeah that doesnt seem to be very useful 08:56 Genji l 08:56 Genji in fact, it could slow down the server? 08:57 Genji zebraqueue seems to be hording operations. 08:57 Genji exact same operations waiting, as 15 minutes ago... 09:02 chris i wouldnt use zebraqueue 09:02 chris im pretty sure the install docs say not too now 09:02 Genji its a koha 3.0rc1 install. 09:02 chris but to run rebuild_zebra.pl wth the -z switch 09:02 chris yeah even so 09:03 chris as a cronjob 09:03 Genji rebuild_zebra.pl -b -a -z every 5 minutes? 09:04 chris yep 09:06 kf good morning #koha 09:08 chris hi kf 09:08 kf hi chris 09:09 kf will miss community handover meeting today 09:09 ropuch Hello kf, chris, Genji 09:10 kf :( 09:10 kf hi ropuch 09:16 chris ahh its in 10 hours time 09:16 chris ill probably miss some of it as i will be on the bus 09:23 Genji whts in 10hourstime? 09:24 chris the community handover meeting 09:24 Genji community handover meeting where we discuss koha.org not being given to the community? 09:24 chris nope we wont be discussing that 09:25 chris its a moot point 09:25 chris nothing left to discuss 09:25 chris but there will be a report from HLT about the koha subcommittee, maybe a report on koha-community.org 09:26 Genji basically, liblime has got the koha name, at least in usa, and theres no way that we'll see koha.org back in community hands ever? 09:26 chris who knows, but theres nothign to be gained by talking about it 09:26 chris its certainly not stopping us doing anything 09:27 * Genji nods. "okay.. so what is "community handover 09:27 Genji then? 09:28 chris what i said report from the HLT subcommittee, there are the EU trademarks etc 09:28 chris and hlt has the koha-community.org 09:29 Genji "Ahh 09:29 chris [off] liblime will probably be bankrupt soon anyway, we can revisit them then but until then i prefer to pretend they dont even exist, and frankly the sooner they dont exist the better 09:30 Genji [off] is the method of making something not hit the logfiles? 09:31 chris [off] yep 09:32 Genji [off] so if liblime bankrupts... the trademark is up for grabs? 09:33 chris [off] i dont really care about a US trademark at all, that's a question for the USians to answer 09:33 Genji [off] im thinking they will eventually bankrupt... problem is, the fallout for libraries using LEK.... suddenly, they have to grab their data via marc-detail spidering? 09:35 chris [off] yep, if i was them id be looking to get in the lifeboats before the ship sinks 09:36 Genji [off] as in, figuring out how to get data out, now, before liblime does a bad bankruptcy? Such as gong bankrupt with no notice, no warning, and pulling the plug on their AWS's at the same time? 09:38 paul_p I think one could use SQL report facilities 09:38 paul_p SELECT * from borrowers 09:38 paul_p SELECT * FROM biblio 09:38 paul_p SELECT * FROM biblioitems 09:38 paul_p SELECT * FROM items 09:38 paul_p SELECT * FROM issues 09:38 paul_p SELECT * FROM systempreferences 09:38 paul_p ... 09:38 Genji does LEK have SQL report facilities? 09:38 chris its capped at 9999 results 09:39 Genji ..... 09:39 paul_p :((( 09:39 Genji [off] liblime is stupid! 09:39 Genji but all rows are id'ed? 09:39 chris i answered this question on the mailing list, there was a patch to fix it in november 09:40 chris some are, some aren't 09:40 paul_p Genji: yep. one could do limit 1,9999 then limit 9999,19998,... but that would be a long long time for someone with a large DB 09:40 chris nope 09:40 chris limit is ignored 09:40 Genji .... 09:40 chris the patch fixes that 09:41 chris whatever limit you put in, it gets replaced with limit 9999 09:41 Genji LEK imported the patch? 09:41 chris i doubt it 09:41 Genji liblime-- 09:41 chris when someone asked for it, they were told it was buggy 09:41 Genji LEK-- 09:41 Genji They probably wanted them to be stuck in LEK. 09:42 chris well, there was no point in making LEK apart from making ppl stuck 09:43 Genji borrowers are ided by borrowernumber... biblio by biblionumber, biblioitems by biblioitemnuber, items by itemnumber... sysprefs have a id? 09:43 chris but anyway, enough of liblime, we cant fix them, so lets fix koha bugs instead 09:44 Genji so can they do 'select * from borrowers where biblionumber between X and Y' / 09:44 Genji ? 09:45 paul_p Genji: yep. one could do limit 1,9999 then limit 9999,19998,... but that would be a long long time for someone with a large DB 09:45 paul_p ah, nope, you're right 09:45 chris except not using limit 09:45 chris :) 09:45 paul_p between X and Y should work 09:46 paul_p other possibility to retrieve all biblios = write a small script that uploads all biblios in marcxml, from OPAC, one by one 09:46 paul_p then write another script to re-enter them in koha 09:46 chris yeah, the biblio stuff is the easy stuff, its accountlines and issues and oldissues etc 09:47 * paul_p think that biblios / members / issues / syspref could be an acceptable minimum for anyone stuck 09:47 paul_p but why the hell are we speaking of that. we don't care ! 09:47 paul_p (except if someone comes here and ask for some help) 09:48 magnus +1 09:49 Genji [off] well.. if we get any warning of LEK's plug being pulled... we will get asked for help... but somehow... i think liblime will just pull the plug without warning? 09:51 chris [off] not worth worrying about, we cant do anything, lets work on stuff we can do 09:51 paul_p Genji: dunno how it works in US, but in France, when a company goes "Liquidation judiciaire", the owners loose their hability to do anything. It's someone nominated by the judge that get power on the company. He can decide anything, from pulling everything immediatly to continuing the business 09:55 paul_p (had to deal with that on my last position : the judge said at 11AM "stop activity", and at 11:01 we had a fax and the manager said: "stop immediatly doing anything. Immediatly" 09:55 paul_p 10 days later I started to work on koha ;-) (after chrismas & new year holiday) 09:56 chris :) 10:01 Genji in nz... a steel fabrication place closed.... with things still in molds, in turned off furnaces. guess they weren't going to continue business. 10:29 masonj wow, are some koha vendors really refusing to give their customers database dumps? 11:29 Genji masonj: only one.... 11:30 Genji i wonder if liblime knows how to do a db dump, nowdays. 11:33 Genji found in a zebradaemon log... 11:33 Genji 20100302 14:12:32 koha-zebra-ctl.kohadb: failed to write(client_errfd = 6): File too large 11:33 Genji what does this mean? 11:34 thd Genji: lack of time to do beats lack of knowledge how to do every day. 11:34 thd Genji"What is the size of that file? 11:34 Genji of wht file? 11:35 masonj prolly the default 4-gig limit of a zebra setting 11:35 Genji ah. 11:35 Genji hmm. 11:35 thd Well the relevant zebra file :) 11:35 Genji could that also be the cause of zebrasrv running three times from one init.d file? 11:36 masonj yep ;) 11:36 thd Genji: what is the size of a dump of all the biblios on that system? 11:37 masonj if they are pointing at the same files, from a typo - then yep 11:37 masonj rebuild yr zebra-db from scratch, for starters 11:38 masonj dont use that daemon 11:38 Genji ya.. theres three servers, all using the same conf file... and zebraqueue has 18k records waiting for uplod. 11:38 masonj err, that sounds like a fail right there ? 11:39 masonj means they are accessing the same DB files ? 11:39 Genji same zebradb files yup. 11:40 masonj $ rebuild_zebra.pl -r -b -v 11:40 Genji no one has noticed it probably because its not used for searching, the prod system is only used for adding records. 11:41 Genji then ... well.. i gotta figure out how to efficently get daily updates from the prod machine to the hostgator machine, without bringing either server offline. 11:41 masonj turn off the extra 2 zebras, for starters ;) 11:41 Genji and slowing down neither. 11:41 Genji hmm... tried to, the other two keep coming back, when i start the init.d file. 11:42 masonj mysql replication... 11:42 thd slef: are you there? 11:42 masonj thats yr first problem to fix ;) 11:42 Genji masonj: slowed down the server i think.... turned the slave off, and some speed came back. 11:44 Genji that and some tables have to have different data. 11:44 masonj my experience is that mysql-rep doesnt put much load on a busy box 11:45 Genji so, you think mysql-rep was just making the problems with this box, more visible? 11:45 masonj pass, but prolly 11:48 masonj hostgator style VM's often have very poor DB performance, so ive read on the net 11:48 Genji dedicated server 11:49 masonj ah, pass then... 11:50 masonj i have a loaded master/slave set-up doing mysql and zebraqueue replication, 11:51 masonj and the difference between replication on/off isnt detectable, from munin 11:52 masonj so its do-able, without too much effort and system-load 11:56 Genji okay, gota sleeep. night all. 11:56 thd good night Genji 12:56 jdavidb Mornin', #koha 12:59 bgkriegel \quit 13:07 nengard hello all 13:07 magnus hello nengard et al 13:07 jdavidb Hi, nengard! :) 13:08 hdl_laptop hi all 13:09 jwagner g'morning... 13:12 gmcharlt good morning 13:21 gmcharlt @quote random 13:21 munin gmcharlt: Quote #61: "*wizzyrea doesn't like hoity toity technical talk...<wizzyrea> wait, that's a lie" (added by jdavidb at 12:19 PM, February 24, 2010) 13:22 jdavidb lol 13:22 jwagner @quote random 13:22 munin jwagner: Quote #16: "< wizzyrea> i mean, the point of american bacon is to erm, use the belly of the hog (I think)" (added by chris at 05:37 PM, July 17, 2009) 13:30 kf guten morgen :) 13:31 jwagner guten morgen kf 13:42 jdavidb @quote random 13:42 munin jdavidb: Quote #9: "pianohacker ponders drumstick->ear as a method of food acquisition...We haven't gone to this good mexican restaurant in a while..." (added by wizzyrea at 04:23 PM, June 19, 2009) 14:11 kf gmcharlt: display and text alignment of 880 fields work now - thx again for pushing the patch and writing one for intranet yesterday! 14:12 gmcharlt cool, glad to hear it 14:45 nengard can anyone give me a short summary of why I need to use 'Koha to Marc Mapping' for the manual ... 14:45 nengard i know how to use the tool, but i'm still not sure why i'm doing it :) 14:46 brendan in case you want to quickly change the mapping for Koha to the database... 14:46 brendan although I'd add many warnings 14:46 nengard so if you were to write that as an intro to the koha to marc mapping tool - what would you say? 14:46 nengard "this tool is used to define how marc fields are entere dinto the koha db" ? 14:46 brendan sounds good 14:47 brendan also a quick reference for how the item fields are laid out for the 952_fields 14:48 brendan the real issue is that some or most of the item fields are hardcoded somewhere within the code of Koha 14:48 brendan like the indexing files for zebra are hardcoded to index for 952's for the item information 14:48 nengard okay 15:03 nengard on the koha marc mapping tool there is a warning that i think needs some editing - but i'm not sure what it's trying to say -- it reads "Choose and validate 1 MARC subfield for biblio.frameworkcode. That will modify all frameworks which is usually what you need, but you have been warned." 15:03 nengard how does it modify frameworks? 15:05 brendan you could look at the koha to marc mapping as a scaled down (novice) framework... sort of 15:05 kf bye all :) 15:06 brendan but if you change the koha to marc mapping - those changes should also be in the marc frameworks ... maybe not viewable but def. in the database 15:18 biglego stupid question, but I gotta ask. I want to install the latest version of 3.2 but the git address i have pulls 3.01. Anyone care to clue me into the secret way to git it, thats funny git it! 15:19 nengard this is the command I use: git clone git://git.koha.org/pub/scm/koha.git kohaclone from this page: http://wiki.koha.org/doku.php?id=en:development:git_usage&s[]=git 15:19 nengard I believe that pulls HEAD - which is the latest 3.2 developments 15:22 * tekonivel brain is melting from subtype translation :-P 15:24 tekonivel subtype translation is dull, XSLT-translations are nervewrecking 15:25 tekonivel (f.ex. ../../koha-tmpl/opac-tmpl/prog/en/xslt/MARC21slim2OPACResults.xsl:505) 16:01 brendan @wunder 93117 16:01 munin brendan: The current temperature in Northwest Goleta, Goleta, California is 11.9�C (7:57 AM PST on March 02, 2010). Conditions: Overcast. Humidity: 86%. Dew Point: 10.0�C. Pressure: 30.03 in 1016.8 hPa (Rising). 16:04 moodaepo @wunder 56001 16:04 munin moodaepo: The current temperature in South on Monks, Mankato, Minnesota is -4.1�C (10:01 AM CST on March 02, 2010). Conditions: Clear. Humidity: 64%. Dew Point: -9.0�C. Windchill: -9.0�C. Pressure: 30.18 in 1021.9 hPa (Steady). 16:10 nengard i've probably said this before - but it is so cool that when i find minor bugs while writing the manual that i know enough to fix them myself :) hehe 16:11 gmcharlt nengard: you better watch out - if you're not careful, you'll find yourself fixing not-so-minor bugs :) 16:11 nengard gmcharlt - not until I learn me some perl 16:11 * gmcharlt encourages nengard to throw caution to the winds, of course 16:12 nengard but that's the end goal!!! 16:14 ebegin hi koha 16:14 chris_n hey ebegin 16:14 ebegin @wunder montreal, quqbec 16:14 munin ebegin: Error: No such location could be found. 16:14 ebegin @wunder montreal, quebec 16:14 munin ebegin: The current temperature in Montreal, Quebec is 2.0�C (10:00 AM EST on March 02, 2010). Conditions: Overcast. Humidity: 56%. Dew Point: -6.0�C. Windchill: -1.0�C. Pressure: 30.01 in 1016 hPa (Rising). 16:14 ebegin hey chris_n 16:15 chris_n ebegin: Toronto was nice 16:15 chris_n Niagara was beautiful 16:15 ebegin chris_n, good to hear. Huge and beautiful, yes. 16:16 ebegin the falls I mean, of course :) 16:16 * chris_n was very glad for his gps unit 16:17 ebegin :) How was the A/V system finally? 16:18 * ebegin is getting an error with Zotero... Could not save item... 16:18 ebegin Any clue 16:19 chris_n ebegin: a very nice system 16:19 chris_n lots of geeky gadgets :) 16:27 biglego on the about page it shows 3.01.00.124 shouldn't it show 3.2 something 16:27 gmcharlt biglego: 3.1 is what will become 3.2 16:28 biglego oh so its more of i work in a library but yet i can't read sort of a problem 16:37 ebegin How does the integration with Zotero works exactly? 16:38 gmcharlt ebegin: two ways - info on a title is embedded via COinS; Zotero can also fetch details for a title using unapi 16:38 gmcharlt since Zotero knows how to look for COinS and unapi data, it can grab it 16:40 ebegin ok. I'll see if my problem is local to my zotero... thanks 16:42 amadan Hi Folks, I just installed koha 3.00.05 successfully. Could someone help me take a peek to find out if all is well? 16:42 tekonivel zotero-love <3 16:42 amadan before i get my librarians into it? 16:48 jdavidb @wunder 20817 16:48 munin jdavidb: The current temperature in Langley Fork Park, McLean, Virginia is 4.9�C (11:47 AM EST on March 02, 2010). Conditions: Overcast. Humidity: 64%. Dew Point: -1.0�C. Windchill: 5.0�C. Pressure: 29.93 in 1013.4 hPa (Rising). 16:48 owen amadan: What do you feel like you need to check? 16:49 owen Does it search? Does it circulate? Can you place holds? 16:51 wizzyrea_ can you catalog? can you add patrons? 16:52 wizzyrea_ does it make you pizza? 16:52 wizzyrea_ wait 16:52 wizzyrea_ never mind. 16:52 wizzyrea_ koha doesn't make you pizza... it only makes you pizza metadata 16:52 wizzyrea_ and even that's like stone soup. 16:53 * gmcharlt writes up RFC for pizza-making 16:54 * wizzyrea_ giggles 16:55 * owen just hopes we don't try to rewrite pizza-xml on the fly for each transaction 16:56 * gmcharlt starts working on MARBI proposal for PIZZA-MARC, realizes that that way lies starvation, desists 16:57 * wizzyrea read that as "starvation, dentists" 16:58 wizzyrea also applicable 16:59 gmcharlt amadan: did we answer your question, by the way? 17:00 amadan when i catlog a book, it appears on the database alright but can't access it with the search 17:00 gmcharlt @quote add <wizzyrea_> koha doesn't make you pizza... it only makes you pizza metadata 17:00 munin gmcharlt: The operation succeeded. Quote #65 added. 17:01 gmcharlt amadan: there's a batch job that you need to make sure is running 17:01 amadan which one and how do i ensure that? 17:01 gmcharlt rebuild_zebra.pl 17:01 gmcharlt misc/cronjobs/crontab.example has the list of standard cronjobs you'd want to run 17:02 gmcharlt actually, let me step back - I assume you chose the Zebra option? 17:02 amadan sure 17:02 gmcharlt k 17:02 gmcharlt also make sure that there's a zebrasrv process running 17:03 amadan so do i add "rebuild_zebra.pl to my cronjobs? 17:03 gmcharlt yep 17:03 amadan zebrasrv is running 17:06 amadan could you help me with the exact line to put in the cronjob? 17:09 gmcharlt it's listed in misc/cronjobs/crontab.example 17:09 gmcharlt hi Lee 17:09 owen Hi Lee 17:10 Lee Hi guys 17:10 nengard Hi Lee 17:10 Lee just thought I'd drop in and see if there was anything exciting going on 17:10 nengard at 2pm EST we have a meeting in here 17:10 nengard but right now just the usual 17:10 Lee Hi Nicole 17:11 Lee excellent.. for once in my life i am early LOL 17:11 nengard hehe 17:12 tekonivel if i wanted to test a translation of the Koha OPAC, what'd be the best way for that? 17:12 tekonivel set up a test-locale, fi-TEST or somesuch 17:13 gmcharlt tekonivel: install the translation, and enable it in the opaclanguages syspref 17:13 tekonivel i'd prefer not to forcefully expose my users to this translatin at this time 17:16 brendan hi lee 17:17 Lee sorry had a pause 17:17 Lee board member dropped in 17:17 Lee quick question for anyone 17:19 Lee we want to add a RSS feed for trying to push notification of new materials added to the library out on twitter. suggestions? World cat isn't working like we want 17:25 nengard Lee, Koha has a custom RSS feed function 17:25 nengard http://koha.org/documentation/manual/3.2/opac/rss-feeds/custom-rss-feeds/view?searchterm=custom%20rss 17:27 Lee Thanks Nicole 17:40 ebegin Concerning Zotero, I discovered that it doesn't work because the XSLT is activated for the details... I'm trying to move the <!-- COinS / OpenURL --> section elsewhere in the .tmpl file without success... is there anything else that zotero is looking? 17:41 ebegin I saw that there was a patch (bug 3559) about this, but i still have my Could not save item error after applying it. 17:41 wizzyrea kyle++ for libki 17:41 munin 04Bug http://bugs.koha.org/cgi-bin/bugzilla3/show_bug.cgi?id=3559 major, PATCH-Sent, ---, chris@bigballofwax.co.nz, RESOLVED FIXED, Zotero does not work on opac detail page with xslt on 17:48 amadan1 gmcharlt, i did add the build_zebra.pl to the cronjobs and run it as well restarted my server and still when i run a search in catlog, i get "no results found biblios in reservoir none" 17:57 wizzyrea do you rebuild_zebra.pl -b -a? 17:57 wizzyrea er, did you? 17:58 wizzyrea (zebra is often the bane of my existence, don't feel bad if it's not working yet) 18:04 chris morning 18:04 jdavidb hi, chris! 18:05 Lee Nicole. i think i am gonna need a bit more coaching- does anyone else have RSS set for new aquistions set up so I could look at it? 18:05 Lee Hi Chris 18:06 Lee cron jobs not in my job description (embarrassed sad face) 18:07 Lee :s 18:08 chris Lee: if you wanted to restrict it to certain itemtypes, or collection codes you could do this 18:11 chris http://opac.koha.catalystdemo.net.nz/cgi-bin/koha/opac-search.pl?&limit=mc-ccode:BF&sort_by=acqdate_dsc&format=rss2 18:11 brendan morning chris 18:15 wizzyrea mornin chris 18:29 fredericd chris: Strange. In HEAD, sypref .po files repeat comment lines several times, up to 20 times... 18:30 thd you can nevr have enough comments :) 18:31 fredericd thd: but 20 times the same comment... 18:31 chris yeah, its harmless so i left it for now 18:31 chris but that seemed to be how the translate made them 18:32 fredericd ok 18:32 thd fredericd: That is a start. We should trick the bug into writing new different comments. :) 18:33 chris fredericd: they are all in pootle now too 18:33 fredericd or say 20 times the same thing, but differently 18:33 chris http://translate.koha.org/projects/sysprefs/ 18:34 fredericd uniq standard command can easily suppress repeated lines, but if it's on pootle... 18:35 chris yep can fix them up before the release, but the comments only appear once on pootle 18:35 chris (they are repeated in the file, but it doesnt show them) 18:35 chris so ill just fix them before the release and replace the files in pootle, but for now its safe to get ppl translating 18:36 chris i finished english-NZ last night :) 18:37 Lee thanks for the link Chris, more questions later 18:37 thd chris: what differs between English and English NZ or is English not English? 18:39 jdavidb Take out a lot of the Z's, put in S's, add some extra U's.... 18:39 * thd was forgetting that English had become not English under US influence 18:39 chris thd english is really english-US 18:39 chris yeah 18:40 chris change patrons to members that kinda thing 18:40 collum Noah Webster changed a bunch of spellings for Americans. To make it easier? 18:40 fredericd jdavidb: very clear for English hobbyist 18:40 thd chris: I assume that you are still intending to reverse that for 3.4 18:40 owen collum: I think it was just as much political 18:40 collum Yep. 18:40 chris naw, its fine with the translation 18:42 thd I think that it is currently inconsistent with both English and the American dialect labeled English. Which is problematical. 18:42 chris ok bus time 18:42 jdavidb You're expecting Americans to be consistent, thd? Irrational. 18:42 chris back later, apologies for missing the start of the coming meeting 18:43 jdavidb http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/List_of_dialects_of_the_English_language#North_America 18:43 thd jdavidb: I am expecting programmers to be consistent. 18:43 fredericd Koha 'en' templates are not American english, airport English at best 18:48 thd slef: are you here? 18:51 wizzyrea lol airport english 18:51 * wizzyrea just found that funny 18:52 russel it would be lot easier to use irc on my phone if it didn't try to autocomplete irc to orchestra 18:52 nengard heh 18:52 nengard spell check on my phone is usually pretty good - but sometimes i end up with some funny things 18:53 gmcharlt amadan: do you get anything informative if you run rebuild_zebra.pl -b -a -z -v ? 18:57 Jo morning all 18:57 gmcharlt hi Jo 18:57 Jo Hi Galen 18:57 Jo I just emailed the list 18:59 davi hi 19:00 davi thd, slef is in traveling 19:00 BobB Good morning all. 19:00 Jo Morning Bob 19:00 chris_n hello 19:00 BobB Its early here. still dark. 19:01 Jo Volunteers / nominees for who will drive this meeting? 19:01 Jo (bags not me) 19:02 Jo early Hi Liz 19:02 wizzyrea_mobile Hello 19:02 Jo So would someone like to chair this meeting, 19:02 gmcharlt Jo: I'm willing to moderate 19:02 Jo Thanks Galen 19:02 gmcharlt so let's get this show on the road 19:03 gmcharlt first, round of introductions 19:03 * gmcharlt = Galen Charlton, 3.2 RM, Equinox 19:03 Jo Joann Ransom, Horowhenua Library Trust, NZ 19:03 wizzyrea_mobile Liz Rea, NEKLS 19:03 * owen = Owen Leonard, Nelsonville Public Library 19:03 magnus Magnus Enger, Libriotech, Norway 19:03 russel russel garlick catalystit 19:03 jdavidb J. David Bavousett, PTFS (kindasorta here.) 19:03 * nengard = Nicole Engard, ByWater Solutions 19:03 davi Davi Diaz, worker for software.coop 19:03 * chris_n = Chris Nighswonger, FBC 19:03 collum Garry Collum, Kenton County Public Library 19:03 jwagner Jane Wagner, PTFS 19:03 sekjal Ian Walls, formerly NYUHSL, so-to-be ByWater Solutions 19:03 fredericd fredericd: Frédéric Demians, Tamil 19:04 brendan brendan gallagher, ByWater Solutions 19:04 * brendan forgot that it was meeting time :) 19:04 gmcharlt ok, people can chime in as they show up 19:04 Lee Lee Phillips Butte Public Montana 19:04 gmcharlt the page for this meeting is http://wiki.koha.org/doku.php?id=en:events:meetings:irc_meetings:meetingnotes10mar02 19:04 * owen notices we now have no ops 19:05 Nate Nate Curulla, ByWater Solutions 19:05 * ropuch Piotr Wejman, Biblioteka CSNE 19:05 gmcharlt and we have 5 agenda items, not counting the intros 19:05 gmcharlt first up - Report on DRAFT Horowhenua Library Trust KOHA Committee RULES 19:05 brendan yeah we need to get better a keeping some ops on channel 19:05 BobB Bob Birchall, Calyx 19:05 gmcharlt brendan: off-topic, but feel free to bug Si :) 19:05 Jo ok, well the Trust meet last week and accepted the Draft rules except for 1 clause which they would like to strengthen 19:06 thd Thomas Dukleth, Agogme, New York City 19:06 gmcharlt draft rules: http://wiki.koha.org/doku.php?id=en:organisations:koha_project_organisation:hlt:rules 19:06 Jo that is the clause about eligibility. 19:06 Jo I have emailed out their suggestion to the list. 19:06 gmcharlt link to Jo's email: http://lists.katipo.co.nz/pipermail/koha/2010-March/022802.html 19:06 chris_n I agree with Bob that it is a bit much, but will not object to its inclusion 19:07 Jo lol - their very response to the rules :) 19:08 gmcharlt Bob's point about the trustee vs. committee member is apropos regardless 19:08 Jo so if we tweak it accordingly, ie substitute committee memebrs for Trustees we could be pretty much there I think 19:08 Jo (it was a cut and paste job) 19:08 gmcharlt I agree with chris_n and Bob about it being a bit much, but I have no objection and don't see it likely becoming a practical issue 19:08 nengard agreed 19:09 Jo but as trustees, they can't have a subcommittee of members who don't meet the eligibility criteria for the trust itself, as it binds the trust 19:09 russel +1 19:09 chris_n +1 19:09 gmcharlt one question, though - what does "a person to whom an order made under Section 151 of the Companies 19:09 gmcharlt > Act 1993 (NZ) applies; 19:09 gmcharlt mean? 19:09 Jo NZ laws basically provide the definitions. 19:10 Jo I think that is the bankrupt one 19:10 Jo its about criminals so maybe not 19:10 Jo I 19:10 Jo I'll go look 19:10 Jo (coz heaps of people go pbankrupt) 19:10 BobB I don't know the NZ Companies Act, but it might mean someone debarred from being a Director 19:10 gmcharlt New_Zealand++ # http://www.legislation.govt.nz/act/public/1993/0105/latest/DLM320690.html#DLM320690 19:10 russel iirc it means they have been barred from being a company director 19:11 jdavidb New_Zealand++ # for lots of other reasons, too. 19:11 davi Could it be amended in next years? 19:11 Jo legislation can alwasy be amended 19:11 BobB Its only a committee we're talking about here. It has no power to act in its own right. 19:11 Jo which is i guess why trusts point to the legiclation 19:12 Jo I guess its rules like this which compensate for the very open and enabling Trust Deed 19:12 davi I am pro direct democracy when possible 19:12 russel keep in mind that this will only apply when under hlt 19:12 Jo yep 19:12 davi Although it requires an educated population ;) 19:12 gmcharlt +1 # I see no roadblocks in the draft rules as proposed, accepted by HLT, and modified per Jo's email (the textual correction about committee members aside) 19:13 Jo Bob: will you be willing to incorporate this clause into the draft and make it so please? 19:13 thd gmcharlt: I have one concern 19:13 BobB Yes Jo, I can do that. 19:14 thd Bob: How many votes in a minimum quarum count as a majority? 19:15 thd BobB: How many votes in a minimum quorum count as a majority? 19:15 BobB If there are seven members, then a quorum is four so a majority is three. the Chairman has a casting vote 19:16 gmcharlt davi: (and a reminder to all) HLT's stewardship is not necessarily permanent if the community decides to establish a Koha foundation or other non-profit entity, trust, governance agency, ????????, etc. 19:16 BobB So if it was split 2 - 2, the Chairman can choose to resolve it one way or the other, or not resolve it. 19:16 thd BobB: My concern is that if two are from the same organisation, they only need one other to have a majority in a minimum quorum 19:16 Jo HLT would much prefer a seperate Koha foundation be established - but happy to be temporary guardians 19:16 gmcharlt thd: seven days written notice of meetings should avoid game playing with quorums 19:17 davi sounds good gmcharlt 19:17 Jo Remember too, that in the worst case scenario HLT can sack the committee if they think its in the best interests of the community 19:17 thd gmcharlt: and the rule about no more than 30% of members with the same business relationship 19:18 Jo (they never would unless it was the will of the community I am certain) 19:18 thd thank you Jo 19:18 thd I am satisfied that the monarch can intervene in case of extreme danger :) 19:18 chris_n hehe 19:18 * gmcharlt salutes HLT, our benevolent dictator ;) 19:19 * chris_n wonders what he would look like in a sack :) 19:19 gmcharlt OK, I think we have a finalization of the draft rules (or rather, we will once BobB updates it) 19:19 davi 30% is a good rule to add too 19:20 gmcharlt davi: it's in there already 19:20 chris back 19:20 BobB davi: Its there. 19:20 davi ack 19:20 thd davi: 30% is there for the total members 19:21 gmcharlt so to give a statement of the will of the community, can we have +1/0/-1 for the draft rules as discussed? 19:21 Jo +1 19:21 chris_n +1 19:21 russel +1 19:21 BobB +1 19:21 magnus +1 19:21 pnalon +1 19:21 thd daivi: my concern had been that 30% of seven rounded down is half of a quorum 19:21 owen +1 19:21 collum +1 19:21 Lee +1 19:21 nengard +1 19:22 gmcharlt +1 19:22 Jo so 30% should equal 4? 19:22 Jo not 3? 19:22 thd +1 although, if the monarch ever has to intervene then the rules will need reconsideration 19:22 davi thd, well, at least it is not a quorum 19:22 davi half of one 19:23 sekjal +1 19:23 davi It is true that to represent the _community_ a better valance should be set 19:23 davi The more diversity the better 19:24 gmcharlt davi: as with so much else in Koha, it ultimately depends on who shows up 19:24 davi So, maybe 20% ? 19:24 davi gmcharlt, I know, but evolution is being good. We are setting a good base 19:24 Jo its only words, but to be honest the way the TRust works is by consensus. 19:24 BobB I think we need to bear in mind the limited purpose of the committee. Its role is not the governance of the community. 19:24 Jo In 10 years I have only ever seen 1 issue come to a vote and be divisive 19:24 chris the other thing to remember is, the trust wont be governance 19:25 chris BobB: *snap* 19:25 chris its a place to hold community property, its not going to be running the project 19:25 Jo and anything the subcommittee proposes has to be approved by the trust. 19:25 davi Should be a 20% be a better balance? 19:25 chris 30 is fine 19:26 davi ack 19:26 BobB The risk of two people from the same organisation being on the committee is low. The risk of them then behaving badly is even lower, imho. 19:26 gmcharlt the commitee is seven members tops, so it's the difference bweteen 1 and 2 19:26 chris like i say, its not doing governance, i dont think its worth overengineering something just for the sake of it 19:26 thd Jo: which vote was the divisive one? 19:27 gmcharlt under those circumstances, I think we're ready to move onto the next agenda item 19:27 davi So it looks good as an start point 19:27 gmcharlt which is 19:27 gmcharlt # 19:27 gmcharlt Report on status of negotiations over assignment of trademarks and domains. 19:27 Jo zero to report. 19:27 Jo no communication what so ever of any sort. 19:27 Jo my emails disapear into ether :( 19:27 wizzyrea_mobile Sigh 19:28 Jo thd: whether to develop Kete or not 19:28 davi Are some of our question to them pending of an answer? 19:28 thd davi: less than 2 may not allow seven people to be found who would show up sadly 19:28 gmcharlt davi: all of them are, AFAIK 19:28 Jo just the one asking them to give back the community assets :) 19:28 Jo the only one we've asked 19:28 BobB Jo: does the Trust yet hold any community property? 19:28 davi gmcharlt, I see 19:29 Jo other than koha-community.org, no. although EU trademark stuff is in process 19:29 davi gmcharlt, What next to do? 19:29 gmcharlt that brings us to our next agenda item, possible suggestions on unresolved negotiations 19:29 chris i think we stop 19:29 gmcharlt from my POV, I see no reason to expect any further word from LibLime 19:30 Jo I have heard from paul Poulain. 19:30 BobB Apart from Liblime, are there any other holders we would like to hear from? 19:30 chris_n koha-community.org becomes a permanent home then? 19:30 Jo his opinion is that we have no hope of retrieving koha.org over forthcoming months. 19:30 chris chris_n: i think we wait and see what happens with liblime 19:30 davi Proposal: Build on koha-community.org, and announce. Then announce later on next release. 19:30 davi too. 19:30 thd there are other parties BobB 19:31 chris BobB: ptfs hold kohails.org and kohadigitallibrary.com 19:31 thd LibLime is merely the most important 19:31 chris potentially talking to them 19:31 Jo I fear that with the press of a key, just to spite the Koha community, we could lose access to a bunch of stuff residing on koha.org 19:31 chris yeah theres nothing on there we need 19:31 chris its all backed up 19:31 davi I think we should announce as soon as possible that koha.org is out of control of Koha community, and that koha-coomunity.org is the new way to go 19:31 owen But the wiki and bugzilla... 19:31 gmcharlt chris: including the bugs database? 19:32 chris_n we can move them 19:32 chris_n the data that is 19:32 chris gmcharlt: it was, probably need a recent one 19:32 davi Jo, migrate-copy as soon as possible 19:32 russ davi: might be a bit heavy handed at this stage 19:32 thd I would volunteer to migrate the wiki assuming my troubles with a recent injury are over 19:32 nengard also there is git.koha.org - right? 19:32 gmcharlt yep 19:32 gmcharlt but git is trivial to recreate 19:32 nengard got it 19:33 chris yup, tis the wiki and bugs 19:33 davi russ, It seems we have already back up. That is good news 19:33 Jo Paul gives our support to take decisive action to move to koha-community.org if that is the decision we make 19:34 Jo and then announce it widely and loudly 19:34 nengard as a side note - my upcoming open source book only links to koha-community :) not koha.org 19:34 gmcharlt I agree that we should move forward with koha-community.org, with one proviso - a clear statement that koha.org is, of right, community property 19:34 Lee IMHO the sooner we move the less confusion for new Koha users 19:34 Jo Lee: I agree 19:34 wizzyrea_mobile Im working on the google rank actively 19:34 davi great nengard 19:35 Lee hee hee 19:35 Jo and a clear statement about the relationship / status between the 2 domains needs to be made too. 19:35 chris yes, i agree with gmcharlt 19:35 gmcharlt Jo: agreed 19:35 chris_n +1 19:35 nengard +1 19:35 wizzyrea_mobile Jo: there kind of is already 19:35 Lee a generous reference...you may also see....org 19:35 Jo do we want a formal motion put to the meeting? 19:35 Jo (its quite a big step " 19:35 thd +1 19:35 gmcharlt yes 19:35 Lee lets vote 19:35 gmcharlt I move that we migrate all koha.org websites and services to koha-community.org 19:36 chris_n I second 19:36 nengard +1 19:36 owen +1 19:36 Jo +1 19:36 thd +1 19:36 Lee +1 19:36 brendan +1 19:36 collum +1 19:36 davi gmcharlt, Each time we write (koha.org) we should state that they are the bad guys, creating customer locking ... 19:36 hdl_laptop +1 19:36 magnus +1 19:36 wizzyrea_mobile +1 19:36 Jo paul Poulain +1 19:36 sekjal +1 19:36 BobB +1 19:36 pnalon +1 19:36 gmcharlt davi: more precisely, koha.org isn't the problem itself; don't want to hurt our own name; it's the current holders 19:36 * hdl_laptop Henri-Damien LAURENT, BibLibre for the record 19:36 davi You are right gmcharlt 19:37 BobB However, lets not denigrate Liblime in doing so. Calm statements of facts. Not wanting to burn bridges, as far as possible. 19:37 thd davi: calling people bad may be true but it generally does not help persuade and seems especially unconvincing wwhen thhey have been good in the past 19:37 Lee Koha.org is archieval community is the future 19:37 wizzyrea_mobile on a practical level someone will have to properly host the dns 19:37 davi So, include always the name of such bad entities. Could you repeat here again the bad name of such bad entity? 19:37 thd BobB++ 19:37 russ err so we are giving up all hope of getting back to koha.org then? 19:38 gmcharlt russ: hope of getting it via negotiations with LibLime 19:38 thd russ: not giving up all hope 19:38 thd gmcharlt++ sadly 19:38 wizzyrea_mobile We just really need a place we have access to to post news 19:38 Lee think of it as rebranding 19:38 russ so migrate to koha-community, hope to get koha.org back some time, then migrate back? 19:38 gmcharlt russ: ideally, yes 19:39 chris yes 19:39 gmcharlt well, not ideally, but you know hwat I mean 19:39 russ gmcharlt: yep 19:39 wizzyrea_mobile Or just use one and redirect 19:39 pnalon yes 19:39 Lee +1 Liz 19:39 davi wizzyrea_mobile, post copies of the same article at several ones, redit, dig, social networks and so on 19:39 gmcharlt ok, that brings us straight into the next agenda item 19:39 gmcharlt # 19:39 gmcharlt Next issues if negotiations have concluded. 19:40 gmcharlt as I see it, what we have facing us is now a simple practical matter of getting the various services recreated 19:40 thd gmcharlt: just to be clear there are still parties with whom to negotiate 19:40 nengard recreated and promoted well enough to bring new koha users to the right place 19:41 wizzyrea ok back at keyboard whew 19:41 gmcharlt thd: BibLibre's transfer of the EU copyright to HLT is not a problem AFAIK 19:41 davi I would include a <div> in koha-community asking to get back koha.org to community control, but stating we do not have in any hurry. Up to them, LibLime 19:41 Jo paperwork filed re EU koha stuff 19:41 wizzyrea davi: I would really, really rather leave koha-community as apolitical as possible 19:41 gmcharlt which leaves as outstanding issues some points of discussion with PTFS, which I suggest we ask Jo and HLT to conitnue to pursue 19:42 wizzyrea just keep the hight ground 19:42 thd gmcharlt; I meant various domains held by businesses with Koha in the name 19:42 Lee +1 Liz 19:42 Jo not Jo and HLT anymore : The Koha Subcommittee 19:42 davi wizzyrea, It is not political, It is informing users 19:42 * owen agrees with wizzyrea 19:42 thd gmcharlt; and any other types of registrations 19:42 Jo wizzyrea : I agree 19:42 russ wizzyrea: +1 19:42 wizzyrea as koha.org gets more and more out of date, and koha-community has updated and good content, informing people won't be necessary 19:43 Lee agreed 19:43 nengard thought of another url - contribs.koha.org 19:43 chris_n wizzyrea++ # the high ground is the best ground 19:43 davi wizzyrea, Maybe you are right 19:43 gmcharlt wizzyrea++ # we're on the mainstream side of the fork, in any event 19:43 wizzyrea and, frankly, it looks bad to denigrate one sector of our own community 19:44 wizzyrea even if they are <things we cannot say in public> 19:44 Jo so where we are up to again sorry - lost the thread 19:44 chris_n [off] but we can off the record ;) 19:44 davi ok, I see 19:44 wizzyrea like it or not LL is still in our community, to some extent. 19:45 davi are they giving back? 19:45 gmcharlt Jo: the current agenda item is # 19:45 gmcharlt Next issues if negotiations have concluded. 19:45 wizzyrea their copyright notice is in zillions of our files 19:45 Jo thanks 19:45 thd wizzyrea: I think that is something to like 19:46 davi wizzyrea, But are they continuing to give back? 19:46 gmcharlt so as far as practical next steps are concerned, we have the following services to recreate 19:46 gmcharlt main website # NEKLS and wizzyrea are doing that right now 19:46 gmcharlt bugs database 19:46 thd wizzyrea: in the community even somewhat is helpful 19:46 gmcharlt wiki 19:46 gmcharlt contribs 19:46 gmcharlt git & gitweb 19:46 Jo can we move on please folks (sorry but I have leave very soon) 19:46 * wizzyrea lets it die ;) 19:46 BobB Two issues are being discussed : koha-community.org and gathering community property from others than Liblime 19:47 gmcharlt so at this point, I'd like to call for volunteers for people to host koha-community.org subdomains 19:47 thd I have much experience setting up and modifying dokuwiki 19:47 gmcharlt and to distribute them internationally 19:47 gmcharlt forgot one - translations 19:47 * wizzyrea notes that there will need to be some changes re: DNS hosting before they can go up 19:47 russ gmcharlt: chris and i would need to talk to our directors here first 19:47 chris thats already hosted offsite, so that would just be dns 19:48 gmcharlt ok, then I propose we move this discussion onto the mailing lists 19:48 chris (translate.koha-community.org) 19:48 chris yep sounds good 19:48 russ gmcharlt: thanks 19:48 wizzyrea thd++ for docuwiki expertise 19:48 nengard gmcharlt speaking of the lists - there is also lists.koha.org :) 19:48 gmcharlt so then regarding the of gathering other community property, I suggest we ask HLT to report back during the next meeting 19:49 wizzyrea contribs we could do as a subdomain of the existing koha-community 19:49 chris nengard: also hosted offsite 19:49 gmcharlt nengard: BibLibre controls lists.koha.org, easy enough to add an additional name 19:49 nengard awesome 19:49 chris so another dns thing, like translate 19:49 chris its only the ones hosted at LL taht are a problem 19:49 Lee Butte has server space but limited tech support 19:49 gmcharlt well, also the issue that LL controls top-level DNS for koha.org 19:50 hdl_laptop gmcharlt: we host lists.koha.org 19:50 hdl_laptop But DNS is hosted by LL 19:50 thd I hope to avoid extra tedious copying of content 19:50 davi Who control the parent koha.org? That is to say, do we have control of lists.koha.org if we do not have control of its parent koha.org? 19:50 gmcharlt davi: that would be LibLime 19:50 chris davi: not the dns, but the site yes 19:50 Jo (I'm inclined to ask for an amenesty on all Koha property: just return it - no questions asked :) 19:50 wizzyrea jo++ 19:51 davi chris, So it can be switch via DNS change IP 19:51 Lee lol 19:51 nengard Jo++ 19:51 magnus Jo++ 19:51 gmcharlt Jo++ # hope it works :) 19:51 thd Jo: amnesty? 19:51 davi Also, all koha-community.org would be less confusion than some koha.org and other not 19:52 hdl_laptop davi++ 19:52 davi A complete re-branding 19:52 Lee I think I said that... 19:52 hdl_laptop But we could give back lists. 19:52 davi Forget about koha.org up to we get it back on control 19:52 hdl_laptop quite quickly. 19:52 gmcharlt I think we're veering into chatter now 19:52 gmcharlt let's set the time for the next meeting 19:52 BobB thd: A general pardon of past offences granted by government 19:53 Jo (thd: was a joke ... we run amnesty's on library books) 19:53 thd Jo+1 19:53 gmcharlt I propose 6 April 2010 at 19:00 UTC+0 19:53 chris_n +1 19:53 Jo cool 19:54 Lee +1 19:54 magnus +1 19:54 davi There is not better announcement than leave lists.koha.org and go to lists.koha-community.org 19:54 davi +1 6 April 2010 19:55 gmcharlt davi: yeah, but that should probably be the *last* subsite we change the name of, as people do get tetchy about messing with their email settings 19:55 davi ack gmcharlt 19:55 wizzyrea tetchy, i like that 19:55 chris_n grrrr 19:56 davi It is good stay in lists.koha.org for some time to direct people to new lists.koha-community.org 19:56 gmcharlt ok, thanks all - I declare this meeting done and Jo free to run away and leave us ;) 19:56 Jo thanks folks - gotta run sorry 19:57 wizzyrea bye jo 19:57 owen Thank you Jo 19:57 Lee thanks Jo 19:57 Jo nick /joaway 19:57 chris_n bye Jo 19:57 Lee thanks for chairing gmc 19:57 wizzyrea lol really? 19:57 * wizzyrea looks around for her evil twin 19:58 chris_n quite mobile today Liz? 19:58 BobB Thanks all. Bye 19:58 wizzyrea lol apparently... my phone has gone crazy... it's off and locked!! 19:58 wizzyrea wow that was nuts 19:58 chris_n hehe 19:59 * wizzyrea is unnerved 19:59 gmcharlt wizzyrea: run, run fast if it is getting its cellular service from SkyNet 20:00 wizzyrea ATT, same thing. 20:00 * gmcharlt shivers 20:01 wizzyrea ok, so practical 20:01 wizzyrea DNS: the registrar's hosting isn't all too flexible 20:02 chris i thought katipo offered to host the dns? 20:02 wizzyrea oh, well problem solved then :() 20:02 wizzyrea :)_ 20:02 wizzyrea sorry, i was on my phone reading, I might have missed that 20:03 chris that was last meeting 20:03 wizzyrea hm. As far as I know the DNS is still hosted by the registrar 20:03 richard gah. sorry i forgot to ask si about it 20:03 wizzyrea richard++ ok, mystery solved 20:03 wizzyrea :D 20:04 BobB quit 20:05 nengard wizzyrea to help with that google rank i changed every link to koha.org on my blog to koha-community - i also updated the facebook & linkedin pages :) 20:05 wizzyrea ty ty 20:06 nengard in FL 20:06 nengard oops - wrong window 20:07 Lee chris see my verison on other channel 20:07 chris yep 20:10 * magnus sees koha-community.org as hit #9 in a google-search for "koha" - not too bad? 20:10 * owen has been trying to chase down koha.org links on myacpl.org 20:10 chris its 3rd for koha ils 20:15 magnus http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Koha_%28software%29 has both koha-community.org and koha.org in the sidebar, but only koha.org at the bottom - should we remove koha.org? 20:16 gmcharlt magnus: no - that would be a NPOV violation from wikipedia's point of view 20:16 magnus gmcharlt: ok 20:16 magnus add koha-community.org at the bottom, then? 20:17 gmcharlt yep 20:20 wizzyrea do we want to change the Temp home statement, gmcharlt? 20:21 gmcharlt wizzyrea: yes, we should 20:22 * gmcharlt plays rock, paper, scissors with wizzyrea 20:22 wizzyrea you lose, I already did it ;) 20:23 gmcharlt though I think we should say something about today's decision as well, if nothing else to point to the IRC log 20:23 gmcharlt I'll do that as a comment to that post 20:23 wizzyrea ok sounds good 20:24 wizzyrea I just took out all references to "temporary" 20:24 wizzyrea and I think I'll unlink koha.org 20:27 gmcharlt k, comment posted 20:28 wizzyrea gmcharlt++ 20:31 nengard magnus - read my mind - i was in there editing the page you should refresh it 20:31 magnus nengard: goody, i got sidetracked on something else 20:32 schuster Question - I have my 3.2 database loaded but am having trouble getting the zebra index to run. When I do rebuild_zebra.pl -b -w it just sits there and acts like it's doing something... 20:33 magnus nengard: gmcharlt thought removing koha.org completely might be a bad idea, i think... 20:33 nengard well that page has nothing up to date on it - so i removed it 20:33 chris yeah wikipedia wont like that 20:33 nengard it's not the official site 20:33 nengard you guys can add it back - but it's not the official site - the community just said so 20:33 chris_n schuster: add -v 20:34 chris_n and are you running the script as your kohauser? 20:34 gmcharlt nengard: as I told magnus, that's going to be considered a NPOV violation by wikipedia regulars 20:34 schuster AH!!! -v +++ 20:35 nengard NPOV? 20:35 magnus nengard: i agree with you so i wont change it, but i know too little about the inner workings of wikipedia... 20:35 gmcharlt neutral point of view 20:35 schuster Guess that maybe needs to be added to the INSTALL.debian-lenny instructions? 20:35 nengard but it's not nuetral - i'll add a reference to it to show that it's official 20:36 gmcharlt heh - define official - it's official to me and thee, but would be contested by others 20:36 wizzyrea nengard that's the point, wikipedia articles are *supposed* to be neutral 20:36 gmcharlt i.e., it may not be a big deal, but don't be surprised if the wikipedia change gets reverted 20:36 nengard i'll put a reference in 20:36 nengard and i put a lot of edits to update things - not just that link 20:37 wizzyrea and whoa, about sekjal joining bywater!? That's so cool! 20:37 magnus yeah, i noticed that too - nice! 20:39 nengard we're excited!!! :) 20:41 nengard reference added to wikipedia page 20:42 Lee :) 20:42 Lee later peeps 20:43 schuster gmcharlt - so last night I added a comment to log 4151 - about some other typo stuff, would you prefer a new log or just keep commenting there? 20:43 gmcharlt schuster: add to 4151 20:44 schuster ok thanks. There is a log 4146 that I created dealing with dependancies too that is probably a duplicate to what is in 4151... Do you want me to compare and edit 4151 and then close the other? 20:44 schuster bug 4151 20:44 munin 04Bug http://bugs.koha.org/cgi-bin/bugzilla3/show_bug.cgi?id=4151 blocker, P5, ---, gmcharlt@gmail.com, ASSIGNED, Document new perl modules for those upgrading 20:44 schuster bug 4146 20:44 munin 04Bug http://bugs.koha.org/cgi-bin/bugzilla3/show_bug.cgi?id=4146 major, P5, ---, gmcharlt@gmail.com, NEW, dependancies needed for installation 20:44 gmcharlt yep, please merge the bugs 20:45 schuster ok will do .. 20:52 schuster Whoo who! Squished a bug without looking! ... 20:52 schuster ;) 20:53 schuster off to the dentist... thanks everyone have a great night! 20:54 * gmcharlt sees that schuster has made other plans 21:09 brendan @wunder 93117 21:09 munin brendan: The current temperature in Northwest Goleta, Goleta, California is 16.3�C (1:08 PM PST on March 02, 2010). Conditions: Overcast. Humidity: 68%. Dew Point: 10.0�C. Pressure: 30.01 in 1016.1 hPa (Steady). 21:10 wizzyrea oh, it's the weather time of day 21:15 moodaepo @wunder 56001 21:15 munin moodaepo: The current temperature in South on Monks, Mankato, Minnesota is 2.2�C (3:11 PM CST on March 02, 2010). Conditions: Clear. Humidity: 51%. Dew Point: -7.0�C. Windchill: -1.0�C. Pressure: 30.12 in 1019.9 hPa (Steady). 21:16 moodaepo Yes it got warmer! Thanks Sun. 21:22 bgkriegel @wunder 87344 21:22 munin bgkriegel: Error: No such location could be found. 21:31 psychokiller hello 21:31 chris talking heads fan? :) 21:31 psychokiller im amazed that there are some many people here 21:31 psychokiller yes and to be honest i feel like one 21:31 psychokiller after trying to install kohan on ubuntu 21:32 chris what version? 21:32 psychokiller any help provided here ? 21:32 psychokiller latest version of Koha and Ubuntu too 21:32 chris so 3.0.5 ? 21:32 psychokiller im stuck with step 5 21:32 psychokiller of the install readme 21:33 chris the INSTALL.ubuntu one? 21:33 * chris is checking he is reading the same thing 21:33 chris right, for step 5 21:33 psychokiller one minute 21:34 psychokiller thats actually step 4 21:34 chris it is better to follow INSTALL.debian-lenny, option 2 21:34 chris (configure and start zebra) 21:34 psychokiller Configure and start Apache $ sudo ln -s /etc/koha/koha-httpd.conf /etc/apache2/sites-available/koha (note that the path to koha-httpd.conf may be different depending on your installation choices) 21:34 chris ah apache 21:34 wizzyrea Ah yea 21:34 chris right 21:35 psychokiller yes ? 21:35 psychokiller whats right ? 21:35 wizzyrea did you do a dev or standard install? 21:35 psychokiller dont know about that 21:35 psychokiller i guess i did a dev 21:35 psychokiller im new on ubuntu I was guided by a fellow 21:35 psychokiller up to now but he had to leave 21:36 psychokiller they put him in a mental hospital 21:36 bgkriegel psyckokiller: you downloaded a tarball or use git 21:36 psychokiller i downloaded this : 21:36 wizzyrea hopefully not because of ubuntu 21:37 psychokiller http://koha.org/download 21:37 psychokiller the first one 21:37 psychokiller well he is familiar with ubuntu 21:37 psychokiller but i was joking 21:37 wizzyrea oh, 3.0.2? 21:37 psychokiller so where is my APACHE directory ? 21:37 psychokiller i have none 21:37 wizzyrea usually /etc/apache2 21:37 psychokiller i installed XAMPP 21:37 wizzyrea OH 21:38 psychokiller but no apache directory 21:38 psychokiller doesnt work with XAMPP ? 21:38 wizzyrea xampp on ubuntu? 21:38 psychokiller it needs plain old LAMP 21:38 psychokiller yes XAMPP on UBUNTU it can be done 21:38 wizzyrea same thing, just weird paths 21:38 psychokiller it works 21:38 psychokiller so what can i do ? 21:39 psychokiller please im begging 21:39 * wizzyrea is here to help 21:39 psychokiller i need this for my degree project 21:39 bgkriegel there is no /etc/apache2 ?? 21:39 psychokiller no 21:39 wizzyrea sok, we feel ya 21:39 psychokiller i installed XAMPP 21:39 wizzyrea we'll get there, let me check out xampp real quicky like 21:39 psychokiller not plain LAMP 21:40 * wizzyrea hasn't used it in a while 21:40 bgkriegel ok, do you know where are the configuration files for your web server? 21:40 psychokiller i assume the Control Panel 21:40 psychokiller will point me to them 21:40 psychokiller lets see 21:40 wizzyrea is there a /lampp/etc/ directory? 21:41 wizzyrea can you 'locate httpd.conf' 21:41 wizzyrea or are you gui ubuntu only 21:41 psychokiller i did 21:41 psychokiller there is etc 21:41 psychokiller and its in there 21:42 bgkriegel just /etc/httpd.conf or in a directory? 21:42 psychokiller so what do i do ? 21:42 psychokiller its opt/lampp/etc/httpd.com 21:43 wizzyrea ok, can you 'locate koha-httpd.conf' ? 21:43 psychokiller in the terminal ? 21:43 wizzyrea that's the easiest, i think 21:44 psychokiller i get nothinh 21:44 wizzyrea ok... here's the hard truth: 21:44 psychokiller i can take it 21:45 wizzyrea 1. the istructions weren't written for xampp, so that immediately makes it much harder 21:45 wizzyrea 2. it really works better if you go straight LAMP, and it's really not hard to configure 21:45 psychokiller is there a 3. ? 21:46 wizzyrea that said, I propose you do the following: 21:46 psychokiller aha 21:46 wizzyrea download the latest ubuntu server 21:46 wizzyrea pick the LAMP option 21:46 wizzyrea and try the instructions again 21:47 wizzyrea we will have a MUCH easier time trying to help you 21:47 wizzyrea :) 21:47 psychokiller so do i need to unnistall XAMPP ? 21:47 wizzyrea i'm not sure, but it probably wouldn't hurt 21:47 psychokiller so where can i find LAMP ? 21:48 wizzyrea www.virtualbox.org, if you don't want to dedicate an entire computer to it 21:48 wizzyrea erm 21:48 wizzyrea LAMP is linux/apache/mysql/php 21:48 psychokiller i know that 21:48 psychokiller so no package ? 21:48 chris yeah but you dont want php 21:48 psychokiller i have to install one at a time ? 21:49 wizzyrea when you are running the installer from the CD for ubuntu server, one of the options is "LAMP server" 21:49 chris not for koha anyway 21:49 psychokiller i do need PHP 21:49 psychokiller for other reasons 21:49 wizzyrea he might though ;) 21:49 psychokiller one of the options is this ? 21:49 psychokiller haven't seen it 21:49 wizzyrea plus, as I have said many times, ubuntu server installer, for nubs, is win 21:49 psychokiller but anyways are you telling me i have to re-install 9.10 ? 21:49 wizzyrea (no offense) 21:50 psychokiller conlusion , you are telling me to do this :1 21:50 psychokiller Reinstall Ubuntu 9.10 21:51 wizzyrea yes, or try it in a virtualbox, if you don't feel like wiping 21:51 psychokiller oh my god 21:51 psychokiller i've already installed it 2 times 21:51 wizzyrea so the project is due tomorrow then 21:51 psychokiller so i better prepare a ladder 21:51 psychokiller a rope 21:51 wizzyrea !! 21:52 bgkriegel you can try to install the requiered package individually: apache2, php-mysql, mysql-server 21:52 wizzyrea ^^ 21:52 psychokiller well thats what LAMP is , isn;t ? 21:52 bgkriegel yes 21:52 bgkriegel but on standard paths 21:53 psychokiller well how do i uninstall XAMPP from Ubuntu ? does it take 4 hours too ? 21:53 bgkriegel rm -rf /opt/lampp 21:53 psychokiller that's it ? 21:53 psychokiller it can't be that GOOD ? 21:53 psychokiller oh please GOD !!!! 21:53 bgkriegel yes, it's all on tha path 21:53 psychokiller please 21:54 bgkriegel but tou don't need to uninstall 21:54 bgkriegel simply stop it: /opt/lampp/lampp stop 21:54 psychokiller i dont ? 21:54 psychokiller and there isnt going to be a conflict ? 21:54 bgkriegel no if it remains stopped 21:55 wizzyrea not if you stop it 21:55 psychokiller ok 21:55 psychokiller i know have to get some TUTORIALS on how to install 21:55 psychokiller every single part of LAMP 21:55 psychokiller dont think there something in the greek ubuntu forum 21:55 psychokiller for that 21:55 psychokiller oh lord 21:57 wizzyrea that's why we propose the LAMP option on Ubuntu server install 21:57 wizzyrea it's working pretty much out of the box. 21:57 bgkriegel as wizzyrea told you, if you install ubuntu server it simply as select LAMP server on the installation screen 21:57 psychokiller can't do a reinstall 21:57 psychokiller i didnt see that selection to be honest 21:57 wizzyrea did you do server or desktop? 21:58 psychokiller is there a tutorial handy for LAMP installation 21:58 psychokiller i think i did desktop 21:58 wizzyrea http://tinyurl.com/ygk29dx 21:58 wizzyrea that would be why you didn't see it 21:59 psychokiller oh lord 21:59 psychokiller so you are all librarians ? 22:00 psychokiller web developers working on libraries ? 22:00 wizzyrea all of the above 22:00 psychokiller *in libraries 22:00 wizzyrea developers, interested parties 22:00 wizzyrea is this for library school? 22:00 psychokiller that's nice 22:01 psychokiller do you steal books from the libraries ? 22:01 wizzyrea no, we check them out, like normal people 22:01 psychokiller lol 22:01 psychokiller but you are the masters 22:01 psychokiller who can tell if you checked them out or not ? 22:01 wizzyrea with great power comes great responsibility 22:02 psychokiller well actually im studying in a university in the Digital Systems department 22:02 psychokiller and doing my senior project 22:02 psychokiller we call it here Degree project 22:02 wizzyrea Ahhh 22:03 psychokiller its building an e-library 22:03 psychokiller and i want to pursue after my first degree 22:03 psychokiller a post-degree course on librarianship 22:04 psychokiller so i wanted to check out some open source library software before 22:05 psychokiller starting to build my site 22:05 psychokiller well no greek uni that i know of uses koha but 22:05 psychokiller oh well 22:05 psychokiller does koha reign only in New Zealand ? 22:06 wizzyrea no sir 22:06 wizzyrea http://www.librarytechnology.org/map.pl?ILS=Koha 22:06 wizzyrea in fact you may be interested in http://koha-community.org 22:06 wizzyrea which is a much better resource than koha.org, at the moment 22:06 wizzyrea (for one, it's up to date) 22:07 brendan nice plug wizzyrea_ 22:07 brendan wizzyrea 22:07 psychokiller oh my god ! 22:07 brendan morelinks++ 22:07 psychokiller do you people no about a place called Europe ? 22:07 psychokiller it's where civilization started 22:07 psychokiller no one uses Koha in Europe ? 22:07 chris bzzt that was africa 22:07 richard lol 22:08 chris and yes lots of people use Koha in Europe 22:08 psychokiller no it wasnt africa 22:08 wizzyrea they just aren't on that map 22:08 psychokiller anyway 22:08 chris civilisation != white people 22:08 psychokiller nope 22:09 psychokiller civilisation = first written documents 22:09 chris lol 22:09 psychokiller it started in mesopotamia 22:09 psychokiller and egypt 22:09 chris egypt is in africa 22:09 psychokiller 3500 bc 22:09 psychokiller well mesopotamia is actually the 22:10 psychokiller established first place for civilization 22:10 chris and id dispute that writing is the measure of civilisation 22:10 chris but that's an argument for philosophers not me 22:10 psychokiller but oh well lot of what we now call western civilization started in this dreadfull place that i know live 22:10 psychokiller that i *now live 22:11 chris there is even a koha greek site 22:11 psychokiller yes i saw that too 22:11 psychokiller dont know who the hell translate it 22:11 psychokiller is there an email of that guy ? 22:11 chris its a woman 22:12 wizzyrea ...wow, batting 1k there 22:12 wizzyrea So 22:12 psychokiller it is ? 22:12 psychokiller well she didnt translate much to be honest 22:12 psychokiller lol 22:12 wizzyrea 1. download ubuntu server 22:12 * chris heads out 22:12 wizzyrea 2. pick the LAMP option 22:13 wizzyrea 3. come back when you've got a stable, standard environment 22:13 wizzyrea and we can help you 22:13 psychokiller where is 1. ? 22:14 bgkriegel http://www.ubuntu.com/getubuntu/download-server 22:14 psychokiller yes 22:15 wizzyrea ^^ 22:15 wizzyrea bgkriegel: you're just *that* much faster than me ;) 22:15 bgkriegel :) 22:15 psychokiller oh my god i just remembered does this mean i have to set up AGAIN my internet connection with an ethernet cable ? 22:15 Genji use virtualbox. 22:16 bgkriegel keep a copy of /etc/network/interfaces 22:17 wizzyrea ^^ 22:18 psychokiller no such dir 22:19 psychokiller ok found it 22:19 psychokiller sorry 22:19 bgkriegel no problem 22:19 bgkriegel in that file is the network configuration 22:19 psychokiller really ? 22:19 wizzyrea yep 22:19 psychokiller its small 22:19 wizzyrea linux is cool like that :P 22:20 psychokiller and what do i do it ? 22:20 psychokiller i store in a usb drive and then copy it to my new installation ? 22:20 wizzyrea pretty much 22:20 psychokiller its too good to be true 22:21 psychokiller ill give it a try anyway 22:21 psychokiller so i have a question suppose you want to check out a book 22:21 psychokiller and you just do that 22:22 psychokiller and someone comes in and wants the book you borrowed 22:22 psychokiller what do you do ? 22:22 wizzyrea they can put a hold on it. 22:22 psychokiller but YOU ARE THE LIBRARIAN 22:22 wizzyrea and the next time it's checked in, the staff member will get a notification that the next person in line gets the book 22:23 psychokiller do you scan books from your library ? 22:24 bgkriegel to make an electronic copy? 22:24 psychokiller no to illegally upload them on internet 22:24 wizzyrea psychokiller: to circumvent library policies, as a staff member, would be unethical and unfair to the patrons 22:25 wizzyrea no, libraries do not do that 22:25 wizzyrea our patrons... on the other hand... 22:25 psychokiller im not talking about libraries 22:26 psychokiller im talking about librarians off papers 22:27 psychokiller well sometimes scanning a book that's not on the market anymore 22:27 psychokiller is a contribution to civilization 22:27 psychokiller even the writers are happy when you do that 22:28 psychokiller ... so i came across with another opensource software 22:28 psychokiller called greenstone 22:28 psychokiller or something 22:29 psychokiller it wasn't that exciting 22:29 wizzyrea yep 22:30 psychokiller that was from New Zealand too however 22:30 wizzyrea yep, lots of good stuff there 22:30 wizzyrea hey john 22:30 wizzyrea indy* 23:02 chris hi pianohackr|work 23:02 pianohackr|work Hi, chris 23:02 chris you all healed up now? 23:02 brendan hey pianohackr|work 23:02 brendan :) 23:03 pianohackr|work Hi :) 23:43 chris_n nice; Breeding's releases use koha-community.org