Time Nick Message 00:09 chris_n @wunder 28334 00:09 munin chris_n: The current temperature in Erwin, North Carolina is 5.0�C (7:01 PM EST on February 18, 2010). Conditions: Clear. Humidity: 45%. Dew Point: -6.0�C. Windchill: 5.0�C. Pressure: 29.95 in 1014 hPa (Falling). 00:11 chris_n [off] chris: I agree, Yokley does sound ownership hungry 00:12 chris [off] he needs to realise the way to drive a project, is do work, not tell others what to work on 00:13 chris_n wb gmcharlt 00:13 gmcharlt hi chris_n 00:13 chris_n cats tripping over your network cable? 00:13 gmcharlt sorry for bouncing in and out, setting up a proxy 00:13 chris_n ;) 00:14 gmcharlt alas, no kitties in my hotel room 00:14 brendan @locate gmcharlt 00:14 munin brendan: Error: "locate" is not a valid command. 00:14 brendan bummer 00:14 * gmcharlt thinks that every hotel ought to come with a cat or two 00:14 gmcharlt brendan: Norcross this week 00:14 brendan :) 00:15 * collum_ would be glad to lend his cat. But it doesn't bounce. It plops. 00:15 chris_n hehe 00:16 gmcharlt as does one of mine :) 00:16 gmcharlt http://www.flickr.com/photos/gmcharlt/sets/72157602776641761/ 00:16 braedon|work chris: do you have 2(possibly 3?) buzz profiles? 00:17 collum_ :) 00:17 chris who knows, ive never looked 00:17 braedon|work do you have multiple gmail accounts? 00:18 chris one hosted and one @gmail 00:18 braedon|work three "Chris Cormack"s come up 00:18 chilts would the real Chris please stand up? 00:18 chris i never use the @gmail one 00:18 chris cepting to login to the kohacon site 00:19 braedon|work two "Senior Developer at Catalyst - Wellington," - One "New Zealand", the other "NZ" 00:19 chris yeah it grabs stuff from everywhere 00:19 braedon|work it doesn't seem to want to give me the associated email addresses, without following 00:19 chris (buzz does) 00:19 chris like linkedin, friendfeed, knol, etc 00:21 braedon|work is this you? http://www.chriscormack.com/ 00:22 chris no 00:22 braedon|work :) 00:22 braedon|work just thought i would check 00:22 chris http://blog.bigballofwax.co.nz/ is me 00:23 chris http://nz.linkedin.com/in/chriscormack <-- that too 00:23 braedon|work no double life as a photographer? 00:24 chris nope :) 00:25 braedon|work ahh, this one looks better http://www.google.com/profiles/108210250488836096108#buzz 00:26 chris that looks atbout right 00:49 chris @quote random 00:49 munin chris: Quote #54: "<@gmcharlt> from my POV, bug wrangling expands to fill all available volunteers" (added by jwagner at 03:05 PM, February 09, 2010) 01:23 chris_n bad news in Georgia for koha: http://www.nytimes.com/aponline/2010/02/18/us/AP-US-ODD-Runaway-Zebra-Atlanta.html 01:23 chris heh 01:24 gmcharlt darn - missed it, and I was even in the area, more or less :) 01:24 chris_n I figure they just should have called you galen 01:24 chris_n ;) 01:26 richard wcl? 01:26 richard oops 01:26 chris heh 01:26 chris no ib in here 01:26 richard sometimes i just forget ;) 01:35 ebegin OT: 2-1 Canada-Switzerland Men Ice Hockey 01:36 russ that is much closer than the womens game 01:37 ebegin russ, Oh yes... 01:52 ebegin Doh! 2-2... :\ 01:55 * gmcharlt is willing to bet that the WHOLE REST OF THE WORLD is getting better coverage of the Olympics than we are in the US 02:00 chris im betting so 02:00 chris we have 4 channels dedicated to it 02:00 chris on my cable plan 02:00 brendan yeah US coverage is usually very horrible 02:01 brendan I'm in the same time zone but I can't see finishes of races until about 4 hours after they are done 02:02 brendan cya all later :) 02:02 chris cya later 02:02 chris_n bye 02:49 brendan @quote random 02:49 munin brendan: Quote #22: "<jdavidb> owen: you wouldn't know this, being the skinny thing you are, but it is also good for maintaining a panoramic physique, like mine." (added by gmcharlt at 12:24 PM, August 06, 2009) 02:49 chris_n lol 02:49 chris_n panoramic... that is hilarious :-O 02:50 brendan heh yup 02:50 brendan heya chris_n 02:50 brendan how goes it 02:50 chris_n great 02:50 brendan awesome 02:51 chris_n how about yourself? 02:51 brendan good SUI-CAN hockey game on 02:51 brendan 2-2 overtime 02:52 chris_n any broken sticks yet? 02:52 chris_n or heads? 02:52 brendan seen some Canadians with black eyes 02:52 brendan and pretty smiles 02:53 chris_n man t/Dates.t still blows chunks 02:53 brendan heh 02:53 brendan chunks-- 02:54 gmcharlt chris_n: is it failing for you? 02:54 chris_n # Testing Legacy Functions: format_date and format_date_in_iso 02:54 chris_n # 02:54 chris_n Illegal date specified (year = 1952, month = 1, day = 0) at t/Dates.t line 62 02:54 chris_n Illegal date specified (year = 1952, month = 1, day = 00) at t/Dates.t line 62 02:54 chris_n Illegal date specified (year = 1952, month = 1, day = 00) at t/Dates.t line 65 02:54 chris_n opps 02:54 chris_n my bad 02:55 * chris_n needs 'SHOULD' to be in flashing red type 02:57 brendan wow shootouts for hockey 03:27 Amit hi all 03:45 chris_n heya Amit 03:45 Amit heya chris_n, chris 05:16 CGI933 hi all 05:16 CGI933 I have following problem in FAST index 05:16 CGI933 nouman@lumhs-b70715be2:/usr/share/koha$ bin/migration_tools/rebuild_zebra.pl -b -w14:12:37-17/02 zebraidx(17858) [warn] zebra_lock_create fail fname=/var/lock/koha/zebradb/biblios/norm..LCK [Permission denied]14:12:37-17/02 zebraidx(17858) [warn] zebra_lock_create fail fname=/var/lock/koha/zebradb/biblios/shadow..LCK [Permission denied]14:12:37-17/02 zebraidx(17858) [fatal] Could not select database biblios errCode=109 05:27 CGI933 is any one help me? 05:28 CGI933 nouman@lumhs-b70715be2:/usr/share/koha$ bin/migration_tools/rebuild_zebra.pl -b -w14:12:37-17/02 zebraidx(17858) [warn] zebra_lock_create fail fname=/var/lock/koha/zebradb/biblios/norm..LCK [Permission denied]14:12:37-17/02 zebraidx(17858) [warn] zebra_lock_create fail fname=/var/lock/koha/zebradb/biblios/shadow..LCK [Permission denied]14:12:37-17/02 zebraidx(17858) [fatal] Could not select database biblios errCode=109 05:34 CGI933 ? 05:34 CGI933 . 05:43 CGI933 could any one help me? 06:00 htaccess chris: forked your github 06:00 htaccess looks like theres plenty of fun for a janitor 06:01 htaccess whats the coding style url? 06:01 htaccess i see plenty of cuddled elses and _lots_ of tabs 06:03 jairuz i recently installed koha 2.2.5 'coz i have no luck migrating our data from 2.2.3 to 3.0. 06:03 jairuz my problem is i cant access the librarian module of koha 06:03 jairuz what could be the problem? 06:16 chris htaccess: http://wiki.koha.org/doku.php?id=en:development:codingguidelines 06:19 htaccess chris: ive been having a look, we should have a chat about howto approcach things 06:19 htaccess like should i do a commit for _all_ trailing whitespace? 06:19 htaccess but theres loys of stuff 06:20 htaccess lots of this: $itemdata=GetItem($itemnumber); 06:21 chris yeah 06:21 htaccess but in general it looks fun 06:21 chris cool 06:21 htaccess pretty much it looks like you need a janitor :) 06:22 chris maybe we should organise a little irc meeting, or put it on the agenda for the next general irc meeting, be good to get Colin (the QA manager) and Galen (current release manager) involved in the discussion 06:22 htaccess yea i would like to have a mandate to do x 06:22 htaccess and then i will go do x 06:23 chris *nod* 06:23 * chris looks up when the next meeting is 06:23 htaccess but after a quick look it seems therre is plenty of x to do 06:23 chris http://wiki.koha.org/doku.php?id=en:events:meetings:irc_meetings:meetingnotes10mar03 06:24 chris march 3, ill put it on the agenda for then 06:24 htaccess cool 06:26 chris there we go, it's on the agenda now 06:27 htaccess chris: after having a look about I _so_ want to be a koha janitor 06:27 chris :) 06:27 htaccess but yea you need a mandate 06:28 htaccess but file at random: koha/tools/batchMod.pl 06:28 chris yep 06:29 htaccess do you have a name convention? 06:29 htaccess filname 06:29 chris not a strict one, actually thats a good point 06:30 chris http://wiki.koha.org/doku.php?id=en:development:codingguidelines&s[]=coding&s[]=guidelines#to_be_decided 06:30 htaccess file-name vs file_name of fileName 06:30 chris if you want you could add that to the to be decided section, and cast a vote one way or the other 06:31 chris i prefer file_name 06:32 chris but could live with any of them 06:33 htaccess well theres plenty of cleanup to do within files so ill leave that 06:35 chris yeah, theres certainly no shortage 06:40 Ropuch Morning #koha 06:41 chris hi Ropuch, how's poland today? 06:43 Ropuch Well, not bad 06:43 Ropuch It's quite warm 06:43 Ropuch And how's NZ? 06:44 chris nice weather today, and its friday evening, so all good 07:30 * chris_n heads off to sleep 07:30 chris_n g'night 07:30 chris_n what's left of it anyway 08:11 chris interesting 08:11 chris http://www.kohails.org/ 08:11 chris and by interesting i mean very disappointing 08:12 chilts hmm, by PTFS too ... not good 08:13 chris well yeah, that was the original reason they werent listed, then the fixed it, .. step backwards 08:15 magnus ooops... 08:16 chris yeah, fairly recent change, it used to redirect to koha.org .. they must have just changed it 08:17 paul_p hi world. 08:18 paul_p koha.ptfs is still here & points to koha.ptfs.com 08:18 paul_p oups. I mean : still here & still the same content 08:20 chris yep, thats fine, we said that was ok 08:20 chris it was kohaconsultants.com and kohails.org that we said shouldnt point to that 08:21 magnus hm, could it be a slip of the apache config? 08:21 chris kohaconsultants.com still redirects to koha.org .. kohails.org no longer does 08:21 paul_p magnus: yes it is (apache config) 08:21 chris might be, so far my emails have been ignored 08:21 chris so someone else might want to email and ask if htey could fix it up please 08:22 magnus someone from hlt, perhaps? 08:22 paul_p chris not sure it's a good idea. it's harmless imho, and we are in the middle of a strategic path. 08:22 chris its harmless? 08:22 magnus might be taken more seriously than if it comes from a competitor? 08:22 chris what the hell did we complain for the first time then? 08:23 paul_p chris: OK, more details : 08:23 paul_p there are 2 known koha strategies today : the "community" one, and the "LibLime" one. For PTFS we don't know what are they plan. 08:24 paul_p if we upset them, we may finish with 3 path, the "PTFS one". 08:24 chris sure, but if it was a mistake they could fix it pretty easy 08:24 chris if it wasnt a mistake, we see their strategy already 08:24 paul_p and in this case, we have strictly NO WAY to prevent them to use kohails of whatever they want. 08:24 chris of course we dont 08:25 chris but i do find it interesting they have just recently changed it 08:26 chris im not making the same mistake we made with liblime 08:26 chris im not prepared to wait for years while they make a mess 08:26 chris if someone is going to be hostile, we should move on sooner rather than later 08:27 paul_p I suspect J Yokley is already "annoyed" by what happends with the acquisition. He is willing to speak with us (BibLibre), I would be disappointed if I meet someone saying : "you're all mad in koha project : LL & everybody else. You're annoying me with very minor details. So, I'll do my path myself, good bye" 08:27 chris frankly thats his call 08:31 chris and i dont see it as a reason for me to stop commenting 08:31 paul_p don't misunderstand me : the url problem is a real one. But sometimes it's better to create a good relationship before saying "hey, you made a mistake". At KohaCon, all the ppl we met from PTFS were nice, friendly and we had frankly discussion with them. So, I think instead we should avoid "firing" at JY and try the "friendly" approach. (and the business one : definetly, he's a business man, he's not concerned by FOSS evangelism) 08:32 chris its philosophy and ethics not evangelism 08:32 chris and i dont suggest demanding, i suggest asking if they made a mistake 08:33 paul_p chris: right (that's the term I was looking for) 08:33 chris im concerned with ethical behaviour, thats why i work on free software 08:33 chris im not going to suspend ethics for monetary concerns, ever 08:34 paul_p chris: yes, and me too. But it's not the case for everyone. 08:34 chris sure, but that's their problem, not mine 08:35 chris anyway, this not fruitful, because the person we should be talking to about is not here :) 08:36 chris maybe you could mention it in passing if you get the chance, it would be nice of them to point it at koha-community.org 08:39 chris on to happier news, we have a volunteer to be koha janitor 08:40 magnus nice, what does the koha janitor do? ;-) 08:41 chris cleans up bad styles, badly named scripts/variables etc 08:42 chris i added it to the agenda for the next irc meetng, so we can come up with some tasks 08:44 magnus ah, i see 08:46 magnus btw, chris, you forgot what is probably the tinyest patch in the history of koha in your recent update to history.txt: http://git.koha.org/cgi-bin/gitweb.cgi?p=Koha;a=commit;h=8c62c84ac2f4874cd57430120f3f8bb2c839b7f5 ;-) 08:47 chris hehe ill add that right now 08:48 magnus great - i'm ever so slightly proud of having my name added to that list... :-) 08:51 chris done 08:52 magnus thanks 08:53 chris 102 :) 08:55 magnus yup, that's me! ;-) 08:56 chris with your normarc work, we should be able to add libriotech to the about page soon :) 08:58 magnus cool! 08:59 magnus i'm sort of waiting for 3.2 to be "finished", so the normarc work can go into 3.4, if the RM sees fit 08:59 chris *nod* 08:59 chris its getting very close, galen has been pushing patches like crazy :) 09:00 chris we only have a few more blockers left 09:00 CGI833 hi all 09:00 CGI833 is any one here? 09:00 magnus oh, yeah, i have a hard time keeping my install of head up to date :-) 09:45 gmcharlt good morning 09:46 hdl_laptop hi gmcharlt 09:46 chris wow you are awake early gmcharlt 09:49 gmcharlt eh, too much caffeine last night 09:49 chris that'd do it 09:49 gmcharlt htaccess: welcome future code janitor! 09:50 gmcharlt [but /me likes cuddled elses and doesn't understand anybody who doesn't ;) ] 09:50 chris gmcharlt: he did volunteer after friday drinks at work, .. but it's in the logs now :) 09:52 gmcharlt paul_p: chris: arg - hopefully that website change is just a glitch 09:52 paul_p 'morning gmcharlt 09:52 paul_p gmcharlt: yep 09:53 gmcharlt of course, I can see how the koha.org vs. koha-community.org thing could make someone rather unsure where to redirect to 09:54 gmcharlt magnus: your normarc work - is it a set of framework SQL, or do you also have code changes? 09:54 magnus gmcharlt: both 09:55 paul_p mmm... about koha.org => shouldn't we decide to move definetly to koha-community.org ? 09:55 magnus value_builders + there are some places that assume unimarc as the default, i thought i'd to send an email to the devel-list on how i should handle those 09:56 paul_p who takes the ball on this matter ? hlt/jransom ? 09:56 gmcharlt magnus: cool 09:57 paul_p because, of course, we have no hope to retrieve Koha.org - at least until LL goes bankrupt - 09:57 gmcharlt paul_p: yeah, I guess one way would be for Jo and HLT so say that they're officially giving up and recommend moving to koha-community.org 09:59 magnus as i recall it we were just about to give up on LL when the PTFS-thing was announced, so i would guess we are back at that point now... 09:59 gmcharlt yeah 10:02 chris yep, there is a meeting 2nd march 10:02 chris we can discuss it then 10:04 gmcharlt yep 10:09 chris translate.koha.org currently points to my server where pootle lives, so if we cant get that pointed to where fredericd wants it, we might need to do translate.koha-community.org 10:10 chris magnus: gmcharlt pushed the patch, you're official :) 10:10 magnus woohoo! ;-) 10:11 magnus virtual "Freia melkesjokolade" (norwegian milk chocolate) for everyone! 10:11 gmcharlt magnus++ 10:11 magnus @karma magnus 10:11 munin magnus: Karma for "magnus" has been increased 2 times and decreased 0 times for a total karma of 2. 10:12 magnus hm, guess i need to pass out more chocolate... 10:17 Amit hi all 10:26 magnus ho Amit 10:26 magnus oups... hi Amit 10:26 gmcharlt hi Amit 10:28 Amit hi magnus, galen 12:19 nengard morning all! 12:19 nengard can someone test the fix for: emailLibrarianWhenHoldIsPlaced -- I don't have email working on my test system yet 12:25 gmcharlt morning nengard 12:25 nengard morning!! :) 12:25 gmcharlt it puts the message in message_queue, so you can look at the table to at least see that the message was added 12:28 nengard i don't have that cron running either ;) 12:30 gmcharlt yeah 12:30 gmcharlt but looking at the table with mysql will at least show that the message is ready to go once you start running the cronjob and get email working :) 12:30 nengard oh! yeah :) got it 12:33 nengard well there it is!! :) 12:33 nengard awesome 12:33 nengard now i just have to figure out how to get email working on this darn virtualbox ... maybe someone could write up a tutorial for that?? 12:37 Colin Morning all 12:38 jdavidb Hi, Colin! :) 12:38 jwagner Morning. 12:38 gmcharlt hi Colin jwagner jdavidb 12:39 paul_p hi jwagner & jdavidb & nengard & all america world 12:39 * jwagner thinks paul_p is feeling pretty expansive today ;-) 12:40 gmcharlt not expansive enough, what about the poor Selenes? ;) 12:40 jwagner And the Martians, and the Venusians? 12:41 Colin and dimensions beyond our ken 12:42 jwagner Maybe our default greeting should be Hello Universe or Multiverse? 12:42 jwagner Nah, too much trouble.... 12:43 paul_p the problem with universe/multiverse is that we don't know who is at morning, who is at evening, who is sleeping, who is at lunch, who is at dinner... 12:43 paul_p things would be so easier if : 1-everyone spoke french 2-live at UTC :D 12:45 * jdavidb just barely speaks English, he's been told. 12:45 * jwagner debates the inevitable collisions when everyone thinks their locale is the center of the universe 12:45 chris_n nengard: it works, I have it running here nightly 12:46 chris_n nengard: I submitted a how to for setting up gmail as an smtp 12:46 nengard chris_n - where???? 12:46 chris_n to patches@ 12:46 chris_n om 12:48 nengard chris_n and all - when you send emails for documentation to patches can you put DOCUMENTATION or DOCS or something in the subject so I catch it?? I missed your last one chris_n - but I"ll get those changes in there 12:49 chris_n nengard: this was submitted as an enhancement for 3.4 so I'm not sure it will make it into 3.2 12:49 chris_n I'll send you a link in a moment 12:49 gmcharlt chris_n: no, the patch to the koha manual you did 12:49 nengard chris_n - the email librarian patch? cause Galen pushed it last night 12:50 jwagner Question on tracing catalog records -- Is there any way starting from the bib record in Koha to tell what import batch loaded it? With several hundred batches in the list, it's not feasible to try to look through each one to find the title. 12:51 chris_n hmm.... I'm missing it 12:52 gmcharlt jwagner: import_biblios.matched_biblionumber -> import_records -> import_batch 12:53 chris_n nengard: http://lists.koha.org/pipermail/koha-patches/2010-February/005572.html 12:53 chris_n gmcharlt: I don't see that that ^^ was pushed 12:53 nengard Oh!! Yeah 12:54 chris_n nengard: it needs the coding changes 12:54 gmcharlt chris_n: no, not yet 12:54 chris_n and I see a syntax error... 12:54 nengard chris_n -- regarding this: http://lists.koha.org/pipermail/koha-patches/2010-February/005574.html 12:54 nengard I think your changes are in the manual now 12:54 chris_n right 12:54 * chris_n needs to rebase that 12:55 chris_n tn 12:55 chris_n tnx even 12:55 nengard and that was the email i meant to put DOCS in the subject or something to make me notice it 12:56 jwagner gmcharlt, thanks. 12:57 chris_n gmcharlt: I was not sure how much enh stuff you wanted in 3.2 hence my 3.4 subject line 12:58 chris_n nengard: will do 12:58 nengard in the case of that message - i actually found those errors and had fixed them - sometimes i forget to check my validation in XMLEditor 12:59 gmcharlt chris_n: generally speaking, I'll be pushing 3.4 enhancements patches to 3.2 only if they are self-evidently won't break something else 12:59 chris_n yeah, a docbook2pdf converter discovered them on my side 13:00 chris_n gmcharlt: it seems this one should not (I need to resubmit to correct a syntax error) 13:00 htaccess does chris c have a koha email address? 13:00 gmcharlt chris cormack? 13:01 gmcharlt chris_n: yeah, I'd like to avoid pushing syntax errors :) 13:01 * gmcharlt notes that occassionally that hasn't stopped him from doing so at times :/ 13:01 chris_n :) 13:02 htaccess yes, chris cormack 13:02 gmcharlt htaccess: chris@bigballofwax.co.nz 13:02 chris_n gmcharlt: would you like for me to implement your recommendations on moving the deps list and resubmit for 3.2? 13:02 chris_n or 3.4 13:03 htaccess gmcharlt: thanks 13:04 gmcharlt chris_n: 3.2, but also please include have about.pl get its list of modules from C4::Installer 13:04 gmcharlt another thought occurs - let's stick them into C4::Installer::Deps or C4::Installer::PerlModules 13:04 chris_n k, I'll do it 13:20 chris_n gmcharlt: gmail patch resubmitted 13:21 chris_n heya owen 13:21 owen Hi 13:29 gmcharlt hi owen 13:31 htaccess im curious, looking at the koha code i notice there is a lot of inconsistency for example tabs and spaces for whitespace, trailing whitespace, cuddled elses and many things contra to 'perl best practices', is there any desire to fix this stuff or is it a case of 'if it aint broke' ? 13:32 htaccess im wondering if the koha community would value a janitor? 13:32 htaccess cf http://janitor.kernelnewbies.org/ 13:32 gmcharlt htaccess: sure 13:32 htaccess but i notice you say here http://wiki.koha.org/doku.php?id=en:development:codingguidelines 13:32 gmcharlt are you subscribed to koha-devel ? 13:32 htaccess Refactoring Code 13:32 htaccess Don't needlessly refactor code, if it ain't broke, don't fix it! Don't waste time on changing style from someone else's style to your's! If you must refactor, make sure that the commit for the refactoring is completely separate from a bugfix, etc. 13:33 htaccess gmcharlt: yes i am subbed 13:33 gmcharlt there was some discussion of perltidy and do a mass whitespace cleanup when we branch 3.4 13:33 htaccess gmcharlt: i would be keen on being involved 13:33 nengard can someone help me get some cron jobs set up? I thought I did it right, but I must have missed a step or have a syntax error - cause they're not running (I'm on debian) 13:33 gmcharlt cool 13:33 htaccess but dont want to step on any toes 13:34 gmcharlt nengard: please paste your crontab; also check /var/log/messages to see if cron is reporting anything amiss 13:34 nengard will do 13:34 gmcharlt htaccess: start small, don't try to rebuild the world in one go :) 13:34 htaccess i have forked http://github.com/ranginui/koha and am keen to get busy but thought i should sound out the community 13:34 gmcharlt a good starting point might be bug 2505 (adding the use warnings pragma) 13:34 munin 04Bug http://bugs.koha.org/cgi-bin/bugzilla3/show_bug.cgi?id=2505 major, P3, ---, gmcharlt@gmail.com, NEW, enable Perl warnings in all modules and scripts 13:35 gmcharlt Garry Collum has been sending a number of patches for that, but there are still lots of scripts that need it 13:35 nengard okay - it's been a while since I did this ... remind me where my crontab is :) 13:35 gmcharlt and he's done quite well 13:35 htaccess gmcharlt: would you suggest bringing up the issue on the list? 13:35 gmcharlt nengard: run crontab -l 13:36 gmcharlt htaccess: have you submitted patches before? 13:36 gmcharlt to Koha, that is 13:36 htaccess gmcharlt: no not to koha 13:36 pastebot "nengard" at 192.168.15.101 pasted "crontab" (28 lines) at http://paste.workbuffer.org/3 13:37 gmcharlt well, you can certainly bring it up on the list, but I think a better start would be to pick a few small bugs and submit patches for them first 13:37 gmcharlt build up a few kudos before announcing any grand plans :) 13:37 htaccess gmcharlt: ok that sounds sensible 13:38 gmcharlt if you want to focus on whitespace cleanup, that's fine, but please don't mix whitespace and bugfixes in the same patch 13:38 htaccess gmcharlt: defintly 13:38 htaccess actually: 13:38 gmcharlt and use the existing perltidyrc - it's xt/perltidyrc 13:38 nengard gmcharlt - nothing in /var/log/messages 13:39 htaccess In terms of the actual patches should I: 13:39 htaccess Fix one issue universally as one big patch 13:39 htaccess Fix one issue in one file as a single patch 13:39 htaccess Fix one issue all files in one directory as a single patch 13:39 htaccess Fix multiple different issues in a single file as a single patch 13:39 owen I found this via a google alert for my library's name: http://twitter.com/JohnHeals/status/9286997546 13:39 gmcharlt #2 or #3 are better (one issue per file or one issue per directory) 13:39 owen someone spamming... something in my catalog? 13:40 nengard wierd 13:40 htaccess gmcharlt: thanks, ill have a look at 2505 and go from there 13:40 owen I'm not sure what they get out of it 13:40 gmcharlt owen: congratulations! you have now figured out how libraries can be relevant in a web 2.0 world! 13:40 nengard keywords?? 13:40 gmcharlt ;) 13:40 collum owen gets more stats 13:41 chris_n nengard: no overdue_notices.pl in your crontab 13:41 nengard chris_n - cause I don't have email working :) 13:41 nengard I'd just be happy if search rebuilt on its own 13:41 nengard search and authorities 13:41 chris_n change -z to -r 13:41 chris_n but that is a problem if you have too many bibs/items 13:42 chris_n -z does not seem to work here, but I've not taken the time to debug it 13:42 gmcharlt nengard: if that's the entirity of your cron tab, you may also be missing 13:42 gmcharlt PERL5LIB=/home/liblime/kohaclone 13:42 gmcharlt KOHA_CONF=/home/liblime/kohaclone/etc/koha-conf.xml 13:42 gmcharlt replace '/home/liblime' with the correct path, of course 13:43 nengard okay - so where is my crontab so I can edit it? crontab -l just shows me the contents 13:43 gmcharlt crontab -e edits it 13:43 nengard ah 13:43 nengard where do i put those lines 13:43 nengard does it matter? 13:43 chris_n top 13:46 nengard k - done - so the rest is okay? will this rebuild search and calculate fines and populate the holds resports -- aka - everything that doesn't require email 13:46 chris_n it should 13:46 nengard :) we'll see in a few hours I guess 13:47 gmcharlt check crontab.example in one of last few commits - there's a new job to cancel expired holds 13:47 gmcharlt http://git.koha.org/cgi-bin/gitweb.cgi?p=Koha;a=blobdiff;f=misc/cronjobs/crontab.example;h=33845a80a208a1f51908543725f977207ba48f8b;hp=bdb58f70a1f99a81a452342a97a7076910b8a08b;hb=21c7f786bf6b0d23fba69d9def05e1fe47010287;hpb=57869cb439b5956ca3aa7bca6f4d1555a11c8089 14:01 gatchen hello 14:02 gatchen anybody here 14:02 sekjal hi, gatchen 14:15 nengard what controls when a hold is canceled - i thought it was a sys pref, but I don't see it 14:15 nengard oh - is it: ReservesMaxPickUpDelay 14:18 nengard if so then the description for that pref is wrong - can anyone confirm? 14:18 nengard gmcharlt - can you tell me what preference controls that cron job - how does it know when to cancel a hold? 14:19 gmcharlt it's cancelling unfilled hold requests that have an explicit expiration date 14:19 gmcharlt not the same thing as the case that would be handled by ReservesMaxPickUpDelay, which would need a report of items that should be taken off the holds shelf 14:20 gmcharlt circ/waitingreserves.pl handles that 14:20 nengard gmcharlt - how do we set an expiration date for a hold? 14:21 gmcharlt when it's created - may I suggest that you go install last night's patches first and try testing placing a hold request? 14:21 nengard i have last night's patches :) 14:21 nengard but I did not try a hold request 14:22 nengard off to do that 14:23 nengard ah - okay - so this cron only works if an expiration date has been set for a hold - and right now that is only done at the time the hold is placed? 14:23 nengard just to confirm 14:23 gmcharlt correct 14:24 owen nengard: I agree with your comment on Bug 2970, but I'm not sure how to better handle that case 14:24 munin 04Bug http://bugs.koha.org/cgi-bin/bugzilla3/show_bug.cgi?id=2970 enhancement, P3, ---, gmcharlt@gmail.com, ASSIGNED, Create a permission for modifying holds priority 14:24 owen It doesn't really make sense to give someone permission to modify holds but not to place them 14:25 nengard i agree - so we either need to remove the permission or make it work :) 14:26 jwagner nengard and gmcharlt, I missed a lot of the discussion, but you're talking about expiring holds? 14:26 nengard yes 14:27 jwagner Did you look at Bug 3474? 14:27 munin 04Bug http://bugs.koha.org/cgi-bin/bugzilla3/show_bug.cgi?id=3474 enhancement, P5, ---, kohaprogrammers@ptfs.com, NEW, Handling of and report for expired or cancelled holds, display expiration dates 14:27 jwagner This is one of the items that we should be sending out soon (once we get it updated to current head). 14:28 jwagner Does that help with your issue? 14:28 gmcharlt jwagner: yes, that's another piece of the puzzle 14:30 nengard k - time to give a webinar 14:30 nengard be back later 14:31 gmcharlt owen: nengard: re 2970, I don't think that's a huge deal - certainly not worth removing the permission - but perhaps setting the flagsrequired to reserveforothers => '*' will get you what you want 14:31 gmcharlt in reserve/request.pl 14:31 owen Thanks gmcharlt I'll try that. 14:37 jwagner On the list of checkouts in the patron record (Details and Checkout tab), what does the Charge column refer to? Rental charge? Fine? 14:37 gmcharlt rental charge 14:37 jwagner I was afraid of that :-( Thanks. 15:10 wizzyrea good morning 15:11 jwagner good morning wizzyrea 15:11 wizzyrea *yawn* how goes the koha hacking today 15:14 jwagner hacking as in the axe murderer scenario? I'm about ready to do that on one of our setups :-( 15:17 paul_p yesterday, two of us lost 4 hours on a new setup... just because zebra has been setup zebra 1.x :'((((( 15:18 paul_p (and, of course, zebra error messages are really hard to deal with...) 15:18 gmcharlt wizzyrea: pushed a bunch of holds patches - none of which yet fix the transiting issues, but aiming to close the queue of functionality changes before working on the bugfixes 15:18 sekjal paul_p: ugh, that sounds horrid. 15:18 wizzyrea I think I just pulled them 15:18 wizzyrea we will look closely this afternoon :) 15:19 wizzyrea so we should expect a little wierdness, perhaps? 15:19 gmcharlt hopefully not too much (more than normal, anyway :) ) 15:19 paul_p wizzyrea is now a geek : "i just pull them", said like "I bought the bread" :D 15:20 sekjal I'm probably the only one getting this, but does anyone else have an issue with Label Creator and adding items to a batch? 15:20 sekjal whenever I do a search for items to add, I get a software error back 15:20 sekjal Can't use an undefined value as a HASH reference at /usr/share/koha/intranet/cgi-bin/labels/label-item-search.pl line 129. 15:21 sekjal probably something local, if no one else has noticed this, but still a major hassle for my colleagues 15:21 wizzyrea paul_p: I think you mean "Wizzyrea is now a Koha geek" because my geek flag has been flown high for quite a while now... just not in Git/Perl/Koha lol 15:21 wizzyrea but thank you for promoting me :) 15:22 * jwagner wonders if there are official levels of geekdom 15:24 jwagner But I have to brag a little on my jquery geekdom -- used owen's example of how to hide the first/last table column, and figured out how to hide, say, the 6th column :-) 15:24 wizzyrea I love jquery. I wish I used it more. 15:25 wizzyrea or, had occasion to use it more 15:25 wizzyrea it's like magic 15:25 jwagner I'm in the middle of an upgrade from a site installed a year ago -- jquery has saved me about 16-17 template customizations at latest count. 15:25 wizzyrea yea, I have a Zillion of them in ours 15:26 jwagner Now I need to do the same for other sites -- figure out what I hardcoded that could be replaced by a jquery instead. It's gonna make upgrading SO much easier in the future. 15:26 wizzyrea there's just no reason to change the template, and I owe all of that realization to owen and gmcharlt (poor gmcharlt had to deal with us before we were using jquery and was so gentle in his suggestion to try jquery) 15:27 wizzyrea and owen for his most excellent kohacon presentation 15:27 jwagner Suggestion for the wiki -- we have the sample SQL page, maybe we should have a sample jquery page. Here's what I wanted to do, here's the command that worked. 15:27 wizzyrea oh, that's a really good idea 15:28 jwagner I'll be putting together such a list for our internal sites but most of it would be useful for others. 15:29 jwagner I don't speak wiki enough to create such a page, but if someone else can set it up, I can add some of mine. 15:29 wizzyrea jwagner: i'll try to create the page right now, but then have to run off to a training session 15:29 wizzyrea (web work day, actually) 15:29 jwagner No great rush -- I have too much else to do right now anyway. 15:29 jwagner But for the future.... 15:31 rhcl2 is thd the only sysop? 15:32 wizzyrea gmcharlt do you have anyone who has committed to production beta 3.2? 15:32 wizzyrea if that makes sense 15:38 owen wizzyrea: Do you mean people who have said they'd go into production with 3.2 once it was in beta? 15:45 Colin We've just trained a site on 3.2 alpha going soon real soon now 15:45 Colin thats live real soon now 15:51 paul_p Colin++ 15:51 jwagner owen, speaking of jquery :-) does it work on XSLT labels? I didn't see how offhand. 15:51 paul_p (although a little bit risky imo...) 15:53 owen jwagner: Bug 3382 15:53 munin 04Bug http://bugs.koha.org/cgi-bin/bugzilla3/show_bug.cgi?id=3382 enhancement, P5, ---, oleonard@myacpl.org, NEW, Add classes to XSLT results and detail displays to facilitate CSS styling 15:54 jwagner if I'm reading that right, that's something you'd like to build in, but isn't present yet? 16:03 jwagner Somebody doublecheck me -- the QueryRemoveStopwords syspref is only relevant if you AREN'T using zebra, correct? 16:15 pianohackr|work Really, nothing makes a morning like walking into a recurring kernel panic on your production koha server 16:16 magnus_away ouch... 16:35 gmcharlt wizzyrea_: production beta 3.2? no - glad Colin has found a guinea pig :) 16:47 gmcharlt jwagner: riffing on something you mentioned earlier - http://www.geekcode.com/geek.html 16:48 gmcharlt jwagner: correct - QueryRemoveStopwords doesn't need to be on if you're using Zebra 16:48 jwagner gmcharlt, thanks. Just wanted to confirm. 16:50 * jwagner snickers at the geek thing. I am not worthy! 16:50 gatchen hi all 16:51 owen Welcome back gatchen 16:51 gatchen yess 16:52 gatchen owen 16:53 owen gatchen: there is no up-to-date version of Koha that works on Windows at the moment 16:53 owen However, you can use software like VirtualBox to run Linux in a virtual machine on your windows machine 16:59 chris_n pianohackr|work: sounds like my day yesterday 16:59 pianohackr|work eh. What happened? 17:00 chris_n I discovered my production db instance was not built with the InnoDB engine and all my tables were MyISAM 17:00 chris_n heya sekja 17:00 chris_n sekjal even 17:00 pianohackr|work hey ian 17:00 sekjal hi! 17:00 chris_n bbiab 17:01 sekjal just wanted to pop in quick and let wizzyrea_ and gmcharlt (and everyone else) know that NYUHSL is committed to being live on 3.2 beta 17:01 gmcharlt sekjal++ 17:01 sekjal I just moved them to the latest and greatest this morning 17:02 sekjal Bib Control is ecstatic 17:15 gmcharlt Bib Control? cataloging? 17:15 sekjal gmcharlt: yes 17:16 gmcharlt do your bibs often run amuck? 17:16 sekjal they love the interface improvements to the Edit Items screen (no more scrolling every which way) 17:16 sekjal some may feel so about our bibs, yes, but I think they're in good hands 17:16 gmcharlt :) 17:17 sekjal I guess this can be considered my parting gift to them; today is my last day with NYUHSL 17:19 jwagner Hmmm. Upgrade to new version and leave immediately :-) 17:20 gmcharlt jwagner: are any PTFSers going to Code4Lib? 17:21 jwagner I don't think so. Timing of other events kind of prevented us from making the travel plans. 17:21 jwagner Wish we were, though. 17:21 sekjal jwagner: yes, I do feel a little bad about that, but they know where to find me if they want to contract for support. 17:26 owen "Bib Control" That's great. 17:26 owen "My 9-month-old may not be walking yet, but she's got great bib control." 17:27 sekjal lol 17:31 gmcharlt @quote add owen> "My 9-month-old may not be walking yet, but she's got great bib control." 17:31 sekjal owen: are you coming to Code4Lib? I owe you a Beverage if you are... 17:31 munin gmcharlt: The operation succeeded. Quote #59 added. 17:31 gmcharlt @quote remove 59 17:31 munin gmcharlt: The operation succeeded. 17:31 gmcharlt @quote add <owen> "My 9-month-old may not be walking yet, but she's got great bib control." 17:31 munin gmcharlt: The operation succeeded. Quote #60 added. 17:33 owen_ I'm back, I was just downstairs renaming our cataloging department "Bibliographic Processing and Control" 17:35 owen_ sekjal: I wish I could make it to code4Lib, but I can't 17:35 owen_ I've been shirking all my non-Koha duties lately and now I've got to catch up 17:36 nengard wizzyrea_ where are we with getting the documentation updated on the new site? right now it's not the complete manual and it's not the most recent version. Is there anything I can do to help out? 17:36 sekjal owen_: understand. sorry you can't make it, but there will be other code4libs, and other conferences 17:38 owen_ sekjal: Will presentations be put online? 17:38 sekjal yes 17:38 sekjal at least mine will 17:38 sekjal I assume others will do the same, at least in large part 18:05 sekjal brb 18:36 chris morning 18:37 sekjal morning, chris 18:37 jwagner G'morning chris 18:37 brendan morning chris 18:37 brendan @wunder 93117 18:37 munin brendan: The current temperature in Northwest Goleta, Goleta, California is 13.8�C (10:34 AM PST on February 19, 2010). Conditions: Mostly Cloudy. Humidity: 76%. Dew Point: 10.0�C. Pressure: 29.94 in 1013.8 hPa (Steady). 18:39 wizzyrea_ no, not much to do to help out, unless you can procure extra time for me. I will look at it this weekend, nengard 18:39 wizzyrea_ but the docbook2html chokes on some of your characters, and that's why it's not complete 18:39 wizzyrea_ so I have to figure out how to tell the script to ignore those errors, or make the threshold higher 18:39 wizzyrea_ and I'm tied up all afternoon with holds system testing 18:41 wizzyrea_ when it's perfect I will make it automatic 18:41 wizzyrea_ on a schedule 18:41 wizzyrea_ so all you'll have to do is update the git repo and the changes will come in with no intervention 18:41 wizzyrea_ i'm sorry I haven't had more time to look at it 18:42 nengard no that's A-OK!! 18:42 nengard I understand time issues 18:42 nengard just wanted to help if I could 18:42 nengard it looks like the script is choking on the first table 18:42 sekjal just saw this on Slashdot: Jacobsen v. Katzer Settled - Victory of F/OSS http://miburl.com/W0WBur 18:42 nengard so it's the <table> tags - which is weird cause they're the same in HTML as in DocBook 18:43 chris sekjal: sweet! 18:46 chris_n gmcharlt: just speaking with nengard about the need at times of communicating misc info to the user after an upgrade (not necessarily a db upgrade) 18:47 chris_n it would be nice to have a one-time redirect after every upgrade to an upgrade notes page or something like that 18:47 gmcharlt that or just include a link to the release notes on the page after the update finishes 18:47 chris_n ie. the redirect bit resets after the page is accessed until the next upgrade sets it again 18:47 gmcharlt but sure 18:48 wizzyrea_ nengard: openjade:/home/koha-community/public_html/wp-content/uploads/kohadocs/en/koha3-2manual.xml:19385:55:E: non SGML character number 147 18:48 wizzyrea_ kind of errors 18:48 wizzyrea_ over 200 of them, varying numbers 18:49 wizzyrea_ I think it quits parsing when it gets to 200 18:49 wizzyrea_ so the place where it stops is based on that, not the content of where it stops, if that makes sense 18:50 wizzyrea_ chris_n: could put an automatic news item 18:50 wizzyrea_ that expires 1 day after date of update 18:50 wizzyrea_ into the DB 18:50 wizzyrea_ with every update 18:50 chris_n wizzyrea_++ 18:50 chris_n excellent idea 18:50 nengard wizzyrea_++ 18:50 nengard love it 18:50 nengard but make it 2 or 3 days :) 18:50 wizzyrea_ i mean, it's deletable before that 18:50 wizzyrea_ well yea 18:50 wizzyrea_ :) 18:50 chris_n owen could whip up some special css to make it flash lights and ring bells 18:50 nengard cause people won't know to look there 18:51 nengard LOL 18:51 nengard chris_n those are all very very bad web design :) 18:51 chris_n especially with the new sounds feature :) 18:51 wizzyrea_ i like the sounds, but wow it beeps a lot 18:51 nengard yeah - why does it beep when i get to the page itself? 18:51 nengard i don't need a sound to tell me i opened a new page ;) 18:51 wizzyrea_ I understand the logic behind the beep on page load but it's annoying lol 18:52 nengard what's the logic? 18:52 wizzyrea_ darrel sent me a long email telling me why 18:52 wizzyrea_ because he wants to know when the page is ready for action 18:52 owen chris_n must have seen my animated background example http://www.myacpl.org/koha/?p=237 18:52 nengard ah! 18:52 nengard i guess that's okay 18:52 wizzyrea_ it should be a different sound than the checkout noise 18:52 wizzyrea_ imo 18:52 wizzyrea_ ok, food 18:52 chris_n owen: very nice 18:53 wizzyrea_ starving, must have brain food to slog through holds this afternoon :) 18:53 owen Does anyone know what the source of the sounds is? 18:54 owen ...and do they require their own license statement? 18:56 chris the sounds are totally syspref controlled eh? 18:56 owen One pref to rule them all 18:57 owen What we probably need is an "audio control panel" in Administration where you can check off which ones you want 18:57 chris yeah 18:58 schuster owen ++ 18:58 chris cos most ppl (i suspect) only want a beep on error 18:58 chris (or will after 20 mins of constant noise) 18:59 chris_n hehe 18:59 schuster chris++ error or non regular checkin or credit/payment/overdue 18:59 schuster what do you work in a library or something? sheesh. 18:59 schuster ;) 19:00 gmcharlt owen: described in the patch - Darrell says they fall under the Artistic License 19:02 owen Do we need some kind of documentation of that? 19:05 gmcharlt patch description would seem to be enough, unless you want to ask Darrell to toss a LICENSE into the sound directory 19:18 sekjal I'm still getting an error with Label Creator... a null HASH reference on line 129 of /labels/label-item-search.pl 19:19 sekjal my system doesn't seem to like "my $item_data->{'_item_number'} = " 19:23 ebegin sekjal, do in it 2 lines. my %item_data; 19:23 ebegin $item_data->{'_item_number'} ='' 19:24 sekjal ebegin: just did, and it seemed to fix the immediate problem 19:24 ebegin cool 19:24 sekjal similar error has now moved to C4/Creators/Lib.pm 19:25 ebegin hmmm... did you modified the code? 19:25 sekjal no, this is all fresh off git.koha.org this morning 19:26 sekjal I assume that since no one else has reported a bug about this (it prevents me from using the Label Creator at all), that it's somehow local to my system 19:32 chris_n sekjal: probably a data corruption issue there 19:33 * chris_n has d�j� vu 19:33 chris_n didn't we work through your data the other day? 19:33 sekjal chris_n: wouldn't be surprised, after all I've been through lately. but I've had luck by splitting offending lines in two 19:33 sekjal chris_n: yes 19:34 sekjal chris_n: I spent last night comparing my current DB structure to kohastructure.sql, and couldn't find any significant differences 19:34 chris_n sekjal: it may not have all come through cleanly 19:34 sekjal but maybe my crossed eyes missed something (it was late) 19:35 chris_n the structure may be ok, but some of the labels data corrupted in the conversion 19:35 chris that wouldnt be causing a syntax error tho 19:35 chris other errors yes, but a syntax one nope 19:35 chris_n hmm... 19:36 sekjal what it's looking like to me right now is way my Perl is setup, it doesn't want to let me assign a hash reference to a variable on the same line I'm declaring it 19:36 chris_n sekjal: exactly what are you doing to get the error? 19:36 chris yeah that line doesnt look right to me 19:36 sekjal in Label Creator, New Batch, press Add Item(s), and search for a term 19:36 * chris_n looks 19:36 sekjal only get the error if I get at least one result 19:37 sekjal Zebra is working and returning fine, as far as I can tell (have it running in a terminal window) 19:37 chris perl -e "my $item_data->{'_item_number'};" 19:37 chris syntax error at -e line 1, near "my ->" 19:37 chris so tis not just your perl, but perl in general sekjal 19:37 ebegin I don't think this is valid 19:38 chris_n weird error 19:38 chris nope its not 19:38 ebegin The code tries to access a hash that wasn't created yet... 19:38 chris yep 19:38 chris_n so one cannot declare a hashref and load an element in one line? 19:39 sekjal well, it must work somewhere for someone. 19:39 * chris_n wonders why we have not had this problem here 19:39 sekjal I can't be the first person to try to use the Label Creator 19:39 chris actually i lie that is valid 19:39 ebegin you may be sekjal :) 19:39 chris_n we have run over 250 batches on that code :-) 19:40 sekjal so, local configurations must factor in somehow 19:40 chris 8:39 ~/git/koha (documentation)$ perl -e 'use strict; my $item_data->{"_item_number"}' 19:40 chris 08:39 ~/git/koha (documentation)$ 19:40 chris works ok 19:40 chris_n works fine here 19:40 chris_n sekjal: what perl version 19:40 ebegin perl -e "use strict; my $hashname->{'hashkey'} = '123';" 19:40 ebegin syntax error at -e line 1, near "my ->" 19:41 sekjal 5.008008 19:41 chris_n hmmm... v5.10.0 here 19:41 chris_n ebegin: what version are you on? 19:41 ebegin 5.10 19:42 chris_n ebegin: I get your error as well 19:43 ebegin I didn't run the code... hold on 19:44 chris you cant use " on the commandline, the $ gets interpolated 19:44 chris perl -e 'use strict; my $hashname->{"hashkey"} = "123";' 19:44 chris_n snap 19:44 chris_n :) 19:44 chris_n that works fine 19:45 sekjal so, it looks like some folks get the error, others don't, depending on things outside of Koha and its data. If we patch to split the offending lines, it should work for everyone, right? 19:45 chris_n maybe corrupted data? 19:45 ebegin perl -e 'use strict; my $hashname->{"hashkey"} = 123; print $hashname->{"hashkey"}' 19:45 ebegin 123 19:45 ebegin test passed :) 19:45 chris_n if so, you probably want to locate the data and fix it 19:45 wizzyrea_lab owen did you do that awesome new patron search design? 19:46 wizzyrea_lab the little [+] 19:46 owen I didn't add that feature, I only tweaked the display a little bit 19:46 wizzyrea_lab right, the display of it is ++ nice 19:47 chris_n sekjal: I'd try dumping the contents of the $item_results hash and see if something is screwed up there 19:49 owen wizzyrea_lab: hdl gets the ++ for the [+] and the functionality 19:49 owen It was a nice subtle modification to the UI that really works. 19:50 sekjal chris_n: okay, I'll give that a go 19:52 * owen still thinks we need a full-blown advanced search for patrons 19:53 * owen wants to be able to search by address, phone number, email address, etc. 19:53 jwagner owen, see Bug 3468 -- the SQL search part 19:53 munin 04Bug http://bugs.koha.org/cgi-bin/bugzilla3/show_bug.cgi?id=3468 enhancement, P5, ---, kohaprogrammers@ptfs.com, NEW, Enhanced patron searching, patron batch edit/delete 19:53 wizzyrea_lab hm, has anyone reported that placing hold from cart fails on items that are unholdable, in a very silent way 19:53 wizzyrea_lab like, click the button nothing happens kind of way 19:55 owen wizzyrea_lab: doesn't sound familiar to me 19:55 wizzyrea_lab k I will write it up 19:58 owen jwagner: that enhanced searching sounds useful for maintenance tasks, but all I want is a bunch of form fields like the regular advanced search page. 20:01 wizzyrea_lab bug 4231 20:01 munin 04Bug http://bugs.koha.org/cgi-bin/bugzilla3/show_bug.cgi?id=4231 normal, P5, ---, gmcharlt@gmail.com, NEW, Placing holds from cart fails silently 20:10 jwagner owen, our feature does add email and phone number to the pulldown for the basic patron search, which should help some. 20:21 wizzyrea_lab lol omg 20:21 wizzyrea_lab so batch conversion changes locations 20:21 wizzyrea_lab even if you don't want to overwrite them >.> 20:22 wizzyrea_lab there's no option for "no change" 20:22 chris_n sounds like fun :) 20:22 wizzyrea_lab all of the dropdowns need to default to no change lol 20:22 * wizzyrea_lab goes to file a bug 20:22 owen I think that has been discussed, probably a bug for it already 20:22 owen Some talk on the mailing list at least? 20:24 wizzyrea_lab hmm, 4172 20:24 schuster ptfs still around? jwagner jdavidb? 20:24 wizzyrea_lab maybe? 20:25 jwagner Yes, we're here. Brain not terribly functional, but... 20:25 schuster Seems like I read someplace that you all were doing something with a calling system for overdues? 20:25 jwagner phone notification? yes 20:25 jwagner Itiva Talking Tech is the phone system. 20:25 jwagner Still a few problems to iron out with it, though. 20:26 * jdavidb is here, but only semi-functional as well. 20:26 jwagner Sorry, no -- the phone one is pretty much OK. It's the selfcheck SIP we've been also doing that still has a couple of problems. 20:27 schuster OK - there was a LL client asking about it and I thought I had seen someplace that someone had done work with it. Was there coding you all had to do in order for it to work? 20:28 jwagner Yes. I'm not too familiar with the details on that one, but for sure there's a script that transfers data to the phone system, and I think some SIP tweaks for data coming back the other way. 20:28 jwagner That's one of the items that I still need to write up for bugzilla, sorry. 20:31 wizzyrea_lab you guys are going to hate me today 20:32 owen Not if you're finding bugs wizzyrea_lab 20:33 * jdavidb finds it hard to imagine hating wizzyrea_lab. Ever. 20:33 wizzyrea_lab well I am finding them... I'm trying to make sure I'm not duplicating but you know how that goes 20:33 owen The only time I mind a duplicate bug report is if the newer one is better than mine. 20:35 owen wizzyrea_lab: Bug 3916 20:35 munin 04Bug http://bugs.koha.org/cgi-bin/bugzilla3/show_bug.cgi?id=3916 trivial, P5, ---, matthias.meusburger@biblibre.com, NEW, Batch Modify Items Tool Needs Small Change 20:35 owen the title of that bug needs small change too 20:36 wizzyrea_lab lol 20:36 jwagner Passing the hat to fund enhancements? Big change would be better than small change.... 20:37 wizzyrea_lab bug 3916 20:37 chris_n sekjal: did you try this test case at the command prompt: perl -e 'use strict; my $hashname->{"hashkey"} = 123; print $hashname->{"hashkey"}' 20:37 wizzyrea_lab gerg 20:37 wizzyrea_lab bug 3916 20:38 jwagner I think it wants a capital B -- Bug 3916 20:38 jwagner unless munin and/or bugzilla have gone on strike.... 20:38 wizzyrea_lab seems that way 20:38 * wizzyrea_lab cries 20:39 wizzyrea_lab http://bugs.koha.org/cgi-bin/bugzilla3/show_bug.cgi?id=3916 20:39 munin 04Bug 3916: trivial, P5, ---, matthias.meusburger@biblibre.com, NEW, Batch Modify tool overwrites dropdown fields - no option for "no change" 20:39 wizzyrea_lab how's that for a title :P 20:39 owen I think munin tries not to spam us with bug descriptions if they come repeatedly. 20:39 wizzyrea_lab AH 20:39 * owen is guessing 20:39 owen munin is polite like that 20:39 munin owen: Error: "is" is not a valid command. 20:40 jwagner good person, munin! 20:40 schuster until schuster tries playing with munin then he looses his/her mind.... schuster goes to the corner... 20:40 chris_n lol 20:41 jwagner munin cage match? 20:41 munin jwagner: Error: "cage" is not a valid command. 20:41 gmcharlt @bug 3916 20:41 munin gmcharlt: 04Bug http://bugs.koha.org/cgi-bin/bugzilla3/show_bug.cgi?id=3916 trivial, P5, ---, matthias.meusburger@biblibre.com, NEW, Batch Modify tool overwrites dropdown fields - no option for "no change" 20:41 wizzyrea_lab hrm 20:41 wizzyrea_lab this holds stuff is very interesting 20:42 wizzyrea_lab there's no way to tell if an item was assigned to a patron by koha or by a person 20:42 sekjal chris_n: Can't use an undefined value as a HASH reference at -e line 1. 20:42 owen wizzyrea_lab: yeah, I hate that 20:43 chris_n sekjal: thank, I'll send a patch off over the weekend 20:43 sekjal got one written up and ready to go 20:43 chris_n cool 20:43 chris_n sekjal++ 20:43 * chris_n thinks all perls aught to be built equal :) 20:43 chris_n ought even 20:44 sekjal hopefully I'm not missing something huge with this patch, but it does give me a chance to show of my fancy new email address 20:57 gmcharlt sekjal: what version of Perl were you testing it on, out of curiosity? 20:57 sekjal I'm on 5.008008 20:59 wizzyrea_lab bug 4234 20:59 munin 04Bug http://bugs.koha.org/cgi-bin/bugzilla3/show_bug.cgi?id=4234 normal, P5, ---, gmcharlt@gmail.com, NEW, Automatic transfer shouldn't take precedence over a hold transit 20:59 wizzyrea_lab help, does this make sense? 20:59 gmcharlt wizzyrea_lab: yes 21:00 gmcharlt time to add a 'why' column to branchtransfers, perhaps 21:01 owen I think that's the same as Bug 4040 21:01 munin 04Bug http://bugs.koha.org/cgi-bin/bugzilla3/show_bug.cgi?id=4040 normal, P5, ---, gmcharlt@gmail.com, NEW, Checking in an already confirmed on-hold item results in duplicate dialogs 21:02 * chris_n imagines wizzyrea_lab in a long white coat 21:02 chris_n bbl 21:02 wizzyrea_lab owen: that's actually the same as the next one I was going to submit 21:02 gmcharlt owen: it's related, but not the same - 4234 is specifically for the automatic item return case 21:03 wizzyrea_lab thanks for finding that owen, less typing for me :) 21:03 owen I guess 4040 could happen either with an automatic transfer or a manual one, so yeah. 21:04 wizzyrea_lab yea, we've seen both situations 21:04 wizzyrea_lab actually, they should probably be sequential: transfer home should only appear if a hold transit has been ignored 21:05 wizzyrea_lab like, you shouldn't even know about a home transfer unless a hold transfer has been ignored 21:07 Genji hiya all... eeep.. only one op and hes away... 21:07 Genji not a good situation...... 21:07 owen wizzyrea_lab: How do you define "has been ignored" ? 21:08 Genji err... irc server got reset huh? 21:08 wizzyrea_lab click "ignore" on the confirm hold and transfer dialog 21:08 Genji Anyway, installing koha on ubuntu Koala.... same as installing on debian lenny? 21:09 owen wizzyrea_lab: Okay, yeah, that makes sense 21:10 wizzyrea_lab genji: afaik, it's very close 21:11 wizzyrea_lab chris_n: more like with my pocket protector 21:13 Genji so http://git.koha.org/cgi-bin/gitweb.cgi?p=Koha;a=blob;f=INSTALL.debian-lenny would work with ubuntu? 21:14 wizzyrea_lab when did the "confirm checkout for hold" dialog appear? 21:14 wizzyrea_lab (and is it a syspref, can we turn it off) 21:14 owen What is that wizzyrea_lab ? 21:17 wizzyrea_lab gmcharlt: I am sending you ibuprofen and booze. Not to be taken at the same time, of course 21:20 * owen wonders how he can get in on that action 21:20 wizzyrea_lab lol 21:21 owen It's quitting time, I guess I can get my own booze. 21:21 gmcharlt wizzyrea_lab: heh - I'll be driving from Atlanta to Gainesville starting in a few minutes 21:21 owen have a good weekend all 21:21 * gmcharlt takes the ibuprofen, shelves the booze for later :) 21:22 gmcharlt Genji: there's also an INSTALL.ubuntu 21:24 wizzyrea_lab owen: the next time I see you we will have lots of booze together lol 21:25 Genji oh sweet.thanks gmcharlt. hmm.... using this to install koha 3rc1 should be safe ya? 21:25 gmcharlt 3.0 rc1? 21:26 gmcharlt umm, why are you installing that instead of 3.0.5 or 3.2.0 alpha? 21:27 Genji because thats what my client is working with... and right now, upgrading would take long. custom files.. 21:27 gmcharlt gotcha 21:27 gmcharlt yeah, the head INSTALL.ubuntu will be safe enough 21:28 Genji though, updatemanager wants to upgrade libxml2 file... 21:29 Genji opps 21:29 Genji installing libxml2-dev automatically updated libxml2.. uhh..... 21:30 Genji so, i now have xml2 version 2.7.5.... 21:33 Genji and my works dev box and hostgator box have 2.6.32.... 21:41 wizzyrea_lab oh what's the command to get your environment variables to stick 21:42 wizzyrea_lab through relogs 21:42 * wizzyrea_lab is having a brain fart 21:42 gmcharlt vi ~/.bashrc 21:45 gmcharlt hitting the road - bbiab 21:54 sekjal time to leave. good night, all 21:56 schuster closing shop for the weekend! have a good one all. 22:00 brendan and now is the quietest time on #koha for the week 22:00 brendan East coast is starting their weekend. 22:00 * brendan feels like he's on the end of the planet 22:02 wizzyrea_lab is there something you have to do to make the xslt stylesheets be updated? 22:02 wizzyrea_lab I feel like I'm changng them but nothing is happening :( 22:05 wizzyrea_lab 1 hour to go 22:12 wizzyrea_lab meh. 22:30 wizzyrea_ @later tell gmcharlt ty for the bash help, I got it. Stupid brain. 22:30 munin wizzyrea_: The operation succeeded. 22:37 chris everyone in my house is napping, and i want to go to the fair, but if i wake them up, there will be hell to pay 22:41 brendan heh - let them nap :) 22:48 chris thats my plan:) 22:48 brendan cya #koha 22:48 brendan I'll be back 23:23 moodaepo @wunder 56001 23:23 munin moodaepo: The current temperature in South on Monks, Mankato, Minnesota is -4.3�C (5:21 PM CST on February 19, 2010). Conditions: Mostly Cloudy. Humidity: 65%. Dew Point: -9.0�C. Windchill: -4.0�C. Pressure: 30.12 in 1019.9 hPa (Steady). 23:37 rhcl it's the weekend...