Time Nick Message 02:43 brendan @wunder 93117 02:43 munin brendan: The current temperature in Northwest Goleta, Goleta, California is 14.3�C (6:37 PM PST on February 03, 2010). Conditions: Clear. Humidity: 73%. Dew Point: 9.0�C. Pressure: 29.76 in 1007.7 hPa (Rising). 02:56 chris_n @wunder 28334 02:56 munin chris_n: The current temperature in Dunn, North Carolina is 1.9�C (9:51 PM EST on February 03, 2010). Conditions: Clear. Humidity: 59%. Dew Point: -5.0�C. Windchill: 2.0�C. Pressure: 29.88 in 1011.7 hPa (Falling). 02:56 braedon_ -- and the great silence was broken by weatherwatchers -- 02:56 chris_n we need a bot on #kohanews to subscribe to an rss feed on our new website 02:57 chris_n braedon_: yeah, it goes from feast to famine around here at times :-) 02:58 brendan you can usually catch me checking the weather about three times a day 02:59 brendan you'd think I'd just look out the window ;) 02:59 braedon_ :) 03:23 braedon|work what is the best way to get the required versions of Graphics::Magick, Lingua::Stem::Snow and PDF::API2::Simple for 3.02 alpha on debian? cpan doesn't seem to have them, and the versions in the repos too old 03:30 Amit morning #koha 03:34 * braedon|work wispers: shh, don't wake the sleeping lurkers 03:40 chris_n howdy Amit 03:40 Amit heya chris_n 03:40 * chris_n learns a somthing new about gitweb 03:40 chris_n http://git.foundations.edu/?p=koha.git;a=blob;f=C4/Labels/Label.pm;h=a6b7aa2b56585df5397cae2760fccfa81920f5d5;hb=HEAD#l390 03:41 chris_n takes you right to line 390 of C4::Lables::Label 03:47 chris_n ok, sleep time 03:47 chris_n g'night 05:01 CGI317 hey guys 05:01 CGI317 can any one tell me from where to get pearl modules 05:01 CGI317 best link 05:10 CGI317 ?? 05:13 CGI317 want to know perl module lniks for koha 05:13 CGI317 can any one help me 06:14 shamas hey any one there 06:30 greenmang0 @wunder mumbai 06:30 munin greenmang0: The current temperature in Mumbai, India is 28.0�C (11:40 AM IST on February 04, 2010). Conditions: Smoke. Humidity: 45%. Dew Point: 15.0�C. Pressure: 29.95 in 1014 hPa (Falling). 07:00 Ropuch Morning #koha 07:00 brendan mornig Ropuch 07:01 Ropuch Hi brendan 07:01 brendan morning actually 07:04 Amit heya Ropuch, brendan 07:04 Ropuch Hi Amit 07:06 brendan Hi Amit 07:06 brendan goodday to you 08:16 kf good morning 08:17 brendan good night #koha 08:18 kf good night brendan 08:40 CGI562 hello house 08:41 CGI562 has anyone seen charmlt today? 08:41 CGI562 please, i need to speak to someone about koha 08:42 CGI562 I want to know exactly how to load marc record on koha because when i tried what charmlt told me it was giving me broken link 08:42 CGI562 please someone help me 08:43 CGI562 i need to fix this as soon as possible 08:43 CGI562 i mean today 08:46 kf you mean gmcharlt? 08:47 kf we need more information to help you 08:47 CGI562 ya 08:47 CGI562 thanks 08:47 kf which marcflavor is your system? 08:47 kf you need valid marc21 records for koha 08:47 CGI562 ok 08:47 CGI562 what 08:47 kf or unimarc 08:48 kf depending on your installation 08:48 kf did you try staged marc import or bulkmarcimport? 08:48 kf what error message do you get? 08:48 kf which version of koha are u using? 08:48 kf for gmcharlt - its a bit early in us 08:49 CGI562 Koha 3.0.2 stable version for ubuntu 08:49 CGI562 sorry, I was just trying to put my url(tag 856) to link my local books 08:50 CGI562 but I always receive broken link 08:50 CGI562 like http://localhost/e-books/vbook.pdf 08:51 CGI562 kf? 08:53 CGI562 hello kf? 08:54 kf ok, so yo already loaded records but have problems with linking? 08:54 kf can you give me an example of your links? 08:55 kf we have working links in our opac, i can compare to yours 09:03 kf ok 09:03 kf hi hdl 09:10 Amit heya kf 09:11 kf hi Amit 09:19 CGI562 kf, I have a pdf file in this directory e-books in document root (/var/www) since I am using ubuntu and I wish to link my record with a pdf file inside this. this is the url http://localhost/e-books/vbook.pdf 09:23 kf hm 09:23 kf not sure this will work 09:23 kf or it will only work on your server 09:24 kf if you cant access the link in your browser 09:24 kf you cant access it from koha 09:24 kf I think you should use your domain name or ip in the url 09:58 kf we have problems with search + icu and alpha - can somebody help with some tips what to check? already deactivated most search functions (query stemming, fuzzy etc.) 10:36 martinmorris good morning all, can anybody help me with a minor niggle in my koha installation? i'm set to single branch mode, but the staff login screen still offers 'My Library' and 'Biblioteko Butler' (the actual name of our library) in a drop-down box? Can I get rid of that? 11:37 martinmorris good morning all, can anybody help me with a minor niggle in my koha installation? i'm set to single branch mode, but the staff login screen still offers 'My Library' and 'Biblioteko Butler' (the actual name of our library) in a drop-down box? Can I get rid of that? 11:37 nahuel hmmm 11:37 nahuel In libraries configurations 11:38 martinmorris in Administration? 11:52 kf martinmorris: you cant get rid of it by configuration - I think the singleBranch syspref does not change that 11:52 kf but it should be no problem 11:53 kf its only staff login and both options have the same effect 11:53 martinmorris oh it's no problem at all, I just wish it wasn't there :) 11:53 martinmorris thanks kf 11:53 kf I think you could add something to the template to take singleBranchmode into account 11:55 martinmorris i might have a poke around but i was merely curious 11:57 kf someone else alpha-testing ? we have problems with search, for example can only search for kw when adding kw: to the search term 11:57 kf problem occurs with normal indexing and with icu 12:14 Ropuch Hello nengard 12:14 nengard hiya 12:19 kf hi nengard 12:19 Ropuch nengard: I came across your article in which you're saying that the librarians who never switched ILS are affraid of changes 12:19 Ropuch Hi kf [; 12:19 kf hi Ropuch - sorry :) 12:19 Ropuch nengard: but I can't find it 12:19 Ropuch kf: you should'nt be ;-) 12:20 CGI562 kf 12:20 kf yes? 12:20 CGI562 u didn't solve my problem 12:20 nengard Ropuch - um .... what article? 12:21 nengard I don't think I ever said that in an article ... 12:21 CGI562 i didn't get u right 12:21 CGI562 I still can not link up my record to my pdf book 12:21 kf I dont think localhost links will work 12:22 kf have you a link that works in your browser? 12:22 kf can you post an example 856-field? 12:23 nengard Ropuch, all of my presentations and publications are listed here: http://www.web2learning.net/publications-presentations 12:24 CGI562 856 ## - ELECTRONIC LOCATION AND ACCESS 3 Materials specified e-books on Digital Library a Host name mathematicalscience.edu.ng d Path /home/project/Desktop/e-books f Electronic name Digital.pdf k Password project@2009 l Logon project o Operating system ubuntu p Port 8080 q Electronic format type pdf u Uniform Resource Identifier http://mathematicalscience.edu.ng/e-books/Digital.pdf 12:26 CGI562 It goes to this link but reports fatal erro 404 broken link 12:26 kf is your opac accessible? 12:27 CGI562 yes 12:27 CGI562 do you see anything wrong with opac 12:28 kf can you give me a link to this record? 12:28 CGI562 kf? 12:28 kf a link to your opac? 12:29 kf http://mathematicalscience.edu.ng/e-books/Digital.pdf is not working in my browser 12:29 kf so it cant work in koha I think 12:29 CGI562 sorry, it is an intranet site, you may not access it 12:30 kf is the link shown in your opac? 12:30 CGI562 yes 12:31 kf we use less fields than you do 12:31 kf we only have u for the url 12:31 kf and display text (x? not sure about that one) 12:31 kf I dont think koha can actually do something with the other values 12:33 CGI562 is gmcharlt there now? 12:35 gmcharlt hi CGI562 12:35 kf ok, need to get back to patron import anyway bbl 12:40 CGI562 gmcharlt, the other time u instructed me to set my 856 tag $u to something like this http://mathematicalscience.edu.ng/e-books but I always receives broken link eroor 404? pls, what can I do? 12:40 Ropuch nengard: thanks! 12:43 shamas hey 12:43 shamas i want to know about marc 21 12:43 shamas from where i can get help 12:43 shamas and how to install marc for windows 12:44 gmcharlt CGI562: I assume that link works when you test it in your web browser directly? 12:45 gmcharlt shamas: http://www.loc.gov/marc has a lot of information about MARC21 12:45 gmcharlt if you're completely new to MARC, read the tutorials linked from that website first 12:46 shamas ok thnx 12:46 magnus CGI562: when I try to look at http://mathematicalscience.edu.ng/ i am told the server can not be found. are your sure that is the correct address? 12:49 gmcharlt kf: re searching, is your test OPAC accessible from outside? 12:50 kf gmcharlt: I think no, but I can perhaps change that 12:51 kf gmcharlt: let me check with my colleagues 12:51 gmcharlt kf: alternatively, email me your Zebra configuration files 12:51 gmcharlt though I suspect it may more likely be due to some recent changes to C4/Search.pm 12:54 CGI562 gmcharlt, it didn't work, maybe there is something wrong or there is another way of going about it? 12:55 gmcharlt I think the first thing to determine is whether http://mathematicalscience.edu.ng/ is in fact the correct URL - it may not work (yet) at all, regardless of whether you're following a link from your Koha catalog or putting in the URL directly 12:56 gmcharlt and it may be up to whoever is setting up your server and network to add mathematicalscience.edu.ng to DNS 12:57 gmcharlt if you can put up a screenshot of what you see when you try to follow such a link, we may be able to help you better 12:57 CGI562 gmcharlt, it is an intranet site so it cannot be viewed online 12:58 kf gmcharlt: i fear its Search.pm. we patched from 3.0.61 12:58 gmcharlt hmm - I read again and see that you're getting a 404 error, so DNS problems are not an issue (at least from within your intranet) 12:59 kf gmcharlt: collegues are still at lunch - zebra configuration files - records.abs etc? 12:59 gmcharlt so it may simply be that some work is needed to configure the webserver to serve things like http://mathematicalscience.edu.ng/e-books/Digital.pdf 12:59 gmcharlt kf: right 13:00 kf gmcharlt: ok, colleague must be back every minute now, I will tell him and thank you! 13:02 gmcharlt kf: are you working from a dev-mode install for your alpha testing? if so, try creating a new branch and git revert the following commit: eb6b10f8c91 and see if that fixes the immediate problem; if not, try reverting earlier commits to C4/Search.pmm 13:02 gmcharlt I'll be testing that myself as well 13:04 kf gmcharlt: sorry, no dev install, we test-patched our standard install (a clone from production server) 13:04 kf gmcharlt: can you reproduce problems in search? 13:04 kf with search - sorry 13:05 gmcharlt actually, a little more info might help - OPAC or staff, advanced search or the search box? 13:05 kf everywhere :( 13:06 gmcharlt ah, no searches work at all without manually appending kw: ? 13:06 kf gmcharlt: mom, I will check and give you more information 13:07 kf gmcharlt: some things still work - I think it was barcode (retesting now), but free text search seems to be broken everywhere 13:07 Ropuch I'm gonna test 3.2 this weekend as sson as I get my new laptop - should I get it from HEAD or test the one from alpfa tarball? 13:08 gmcharlt Ropuch: up to you, but my recommendation is to do it as a dev-mode from a git clone rather than the tarball 13:08 Ropuch gmcharlt: fine by me :) 13:08 gmcharlt to checkout the 3.2-alpha version itself, do a git checkout v3.02.00-alpha from the git clone 13:08 kf gmcharlt: opac (simple search): only isbn 3* and call number r* give me results 13:09 chris_n g'morning 13:09 kf gmcharlt: can you point me to the patch that needs to be reverted on git? 13:10 gmcharlt kf: I'm not having any problems doing an OPAC simple search on title, keyword, subject, etc. in my 3.2 install 13:11 Ropuch gmcharlt: I just want to avoid sending wrong-version patches 13:11 gmcharlt Ropuch: ah, if you're planning to patch, then work from HEAD 13:11 Ropuch gmcharlt: I hope I'll be able to ;> 13:11 gmcharlt cool 13:11 kf gmcharlt: oh :( so we need to find out what our problem is. only isbn, issn, call number seem to work, title, keyword, author etc. not 13:12 gmcharlt kf: so rather than jump to conclusions, Zebra config + info from the OPAC apache log should help track this down 13:12 chris_n gmcharlt: searches appear to work fine here running over the alpha 13:12 kf my collegue told me that there were no errors in the logs 13:12 chris_n but I don't think I'm running zebra with an icu(?) config 13:13 gmcharlt and if you can send me a copy of your C4 and opac CGI directory, I can compare it against alpha just to make sure that there wasn't some problem when you applied the patches 13:13 kf we patched from 3.0.61 - which we will need to do later too. perhaps this is part of our problem 13:13 gmcharlt yeah, right now the ICU config is definitely on the list of things to test 13:13 chris_n gmcharlt: is that a better configuration for zebra? 13:14 kf gmcharlt: its not icu atm - he told me he reconfigured it to be standard search 13:14 gmcharlt speaking of ICU and diacritics, I'd love it if you or someone else could point me to a good sample of German MARC21 records 13:14 gmcharlt kf: so it affects both ICU and standard config? hmmm 13:14 kf atm it seems so, perhaps we missed some stupid little thing 13:14 gmcharlt chris_n: yes, ICU to handle character normalization is better 13:15 kf gmcharlt: lets discuss that - there are some things to consider about German MARC21 records 13:15 gmcharlt speaking of which, chris_n, is there much in the way of Greek and Hebrew in the Foundations catalog? 13:15 chris_n I know jdavidb was having issue with searching on a system with zebra in ICU 13:15 kf gmcharlt: bt I can sure send you examples 13:15 chris_n gmcharlt: very little atm 13:15 kf icu is not working with some search sys prefs 13:15 gmcharlt kf: thanks 13:15 chris_n gmcharlt: more spanish 13:15 kf I told him that and he turned some of them off - told me it works better now 13:20 chris_n kf, gmcharlt: cait was helping jdavidb the other day with zebra ICU search problems 13:21 * jdavidb looks around for owen, and hides. 13:21 chris_n jdavidb: did you get your zebra ICU/search issue resolved? 13:21 owen It's okay jdavidb I'm not really awake yet 13:22 jdavidb chris_n: ran a reindex last night, with one little change to the icu chain; gonna test here momentarily. 13:22 * chris_n holds his breath ;-) 13:22 kf i am cait ;) 13:23 chris_n lol kf :-) 13:23 kf no joke 13:23 jdavidb Seems to be working; I'm not getting as many results as I was on the production server, which has fuzzy on, but what I'm getting looks *REAL* good. 13:23 jwagner kf, that split personality is really going to get you in trouble.... 13:23 jdavidb And diacritics appear to be working like I want. 13:23 chris_n kf: I believe you; its just funny 13:24 kf jwagner yesss... dont know which to choose yet 13:24 chris_n jdavidb: any chance you can switch to the latest head and try it? 13:24 jdavidb Not on that server. The customer's health and nerves are fragile enough already. 13:24 chris_n hehe 13:24 kf jdavidb: fuzzy was on here and seemed working, turned in off now to investigate our problem after patching 13:24 nengard okay - my job this AM - add the patron card documentation to the manual using the tutorial chris_n gave me yesterday !! 13:25 * chris_n runs and hides ;-) 13:25 gmcharlt why is everybody hiding from everybody else in this channel today? 13:25 nengard hehe 13:26 jwagner gmcharlt, because the Finger of Doom is pointing at them??? 13:26 jdavidb chris_n, I'm gonna be spinning up a couple of instances with new HEAD here in the next day or two; I'm thinking of doing (at least) one with ICU indexing; it's so darn good with diacritics, I'm thinking of making that our stock installation mode. 13:26 chris_n nengard: did my response to you email explain? 13:26 nengard no doom - at least not for chris_n - he already walked me through everything :) 13:26 nengard chris_n -yes!! waiting to see if they tried to make the font smaller 13:26 chris_n nice 13:27 jdavidb owen: When you wake up, I hear you're having deranged hold-prio issues. I hope I can help; I've had occasion to work with that. 13:28 nengard bug question for gmcharlt - or anyone - do we still want someone other than the person who patched the bug to closeit? 13:28 nengard clost it? 13:28 nengard i have many bugs i reported and patched and i could close - but i haven't cause i'm the one who wrote the patch :) 13:28 gmcharlt nengard: more that the original reporter should close it 13:28 nengard okay - well that's me :) 13:29 nengard I'll clean up my bugs after i do the documentation update 13:29 gmcharlt sure, it would be great if somebody else tested and closed self-reported, self-patched bugs, but I think the original reporter closing them is more reasonable to expect 13:29 nengard chris_n - i do need something from you :) you said the label and patron card help files didn't make it into your patch - so if you have those, can you submit them so i can use them and improve upon them? 13:30 nengard well - everyone who has HEAD installed - if you could go through the budgets sections and make sure I caught all of the language changes before i close that bug it would be great - if not, i'll close it and open a new one if anyone finds something i missed 13:30 CGI562 gmchart, I 've test this on my laptop that has no koha just to see if apache can open the link and it works. I think what happen is that webserver is redirecting request to koha document root. Do you know the koha document root? 13:31 gmcharlt that is purely dependent the mode you used when you installed Koha - you have the check the Apache config 13:32 chris_n nengard: I'll get those off shortly 13:33 nengard thanks!! 13:34 owen jdavidb: Here's the kind of thing I'm finding: http://koha.pastebin.com/mf0501 13:34 owen http://zivotdesign.com/examples/holds-priority-problem.png 13:37 jdavidb Two problems to cope with, owen--cause, and cure. cure is easy; I wrote a script to clean up the mess, and reorder the holds in the order they were placed, which I'd be happy to share; it's copied a fair bit from some bits of C4::Reserves. 13:38 owen jdavidb: We used to have a similar script, but it was for 2.x and never got updated. Is your script general-purpose enough that it can be committed? 13:38 owen Something for /misc perhaps? 13:38 gmcharlt +1 13:39 jdavidb As to cause, I found a problem on the rendering of that table with a duplicated TMPL_VAR; those things are picked off in an array by the pl script, so one array was twice as long as it should be, with each entry twice. 13:40 owen And here I thought it was gremlins. 13:40 jdavidb I don't know if the problem was in our development, or running HEAD; we've hacked there a bit. But that sort of problem creates the symptom you're seeing. 13:40 jdavidb owen: I'd think the script would be useful enough for misc/maintenance. *shrug* 13:41 gmcharlt if you can send me the relevant commit from your hackery, that may be enough to figure out if it applies to HEAD 13:41 gmcharlt jdavidb: please submit the script, then 13:42 jdavidb I'd have to *find* it. part of the recent hackery has a new column in reserves, and I don't know if that's part of HEAD or not. I could also check HEAD and see if the error is still in there; it was plain as the nose on my face, when I saw it. 13:46 jdavidb owen: the script is at http://koha.pastebin.com/d5b72ce8c for your immediate problem-solving pleasure. 13:47 owen I wish I knew how to duplicate the error so I could test it 13:49 nengard owen - chris_n says you were working on graphics for the label/patron card makers to show how to figure out the measurements 13:49 nengard any chance you're still doing this? 13:50 chris_n owen: this was the graphic to show measurements like margins, pitch, height, width, etc 13:50 jdavidb gmcharlt, owen: The error that was causing this kind of holds-priority problem for us is *not* present in HEAD. a duplication of the hidden-input borrowernumber/biblionumber pairing was causing it, for us. 13:51 jwagner jdavidb, but is it present in .061? owen's running near enough to our version level. 13:52 jdavidb two shakes. 13:53 jdavidb Nope, I don't see it in that batch, either. 13:53 owen nengard: It's something I worked on quite a while ago. I'm sure I still have the images, not sure if they're complete. 13:54 * owen thought he remembered attaching the images to a bug report... 13:55 owen Here we go, Bug 2069 13:55 munin 04Bug http://bugs.koha.org/cgi-bin/bugzilla3/show_bug.cgi?id=2069 enhancement, P3, ---, oleonard@myacpl.org, NEW, Label Example Image 13:56 owen nengard: I have the originals of all those. I can send them to you in format of choice 13:57 nengard owen, let's do png since that's what all of the screenshots in the manual are 13:57 CGI562 gmcharlt, can u pls give ur email addy? 13:57 owen nengard: Are the sizes of that Bug's attachments appropriate? 13:58 nengard sorry - wasn't even looking at the bug ;) off to check it now 13:58 gmcharlt CGI562: gmcharlt@gmail.com 13:59 nengard owen, the sizes look a-ok 14:09 gmcharlt @later tell hdl_laptop would appreciate your comments on bug 4104 14:09 munin gmcharlt: The operation succeeded. 14:10 jwagner @wunder 20817 14:10 munin jwagner: The current temperature in Potomac, Maryland is 1.8�C (9:03 AM EST on February 04, 2010). Conditions: Clear. Humidity: 66%. Dew Point: -4.0�C. Windchill: 2.0�C. Pressure: 30.27 in 1024.9 hPa (Falling). Winter Storm Watch in effect from Friday morning through Saturday evening... 14:11 kf @wunder Konstanz 14:11 jwagner Sigh. 14:11 munin kf: The current temperature in Konstanz, Germany is 6.0�C (3:00 PM CET on February 04, 2010). Conditions: Clear. Humidity: 49%. Dew Point: -1.0�C. Pressure: 29.96 in 1014 hPa (Falling). 14:11 jwagner kf, can I make a quick trip to Germany??? 14:11 jwagner We're supposed to get a repeat of the December blizzard starting tomorrow :-( 14:11 kf sure, come and visit :) 14:12 * jwagner packs suitcase in a hurry 14:13 kf :) 14:13 Ropuch @wunder Wroclaw 14:13 munin Ropuch: The current temperature in Wroclaw, Poland is 1.0�C (3:00 PM CET on February 04, 2010). Conditions: Clear. Humidity: 70%. Dew Point: -4.0�C. Windchill: -3.0�C. Pressure: 30.12 in 1020 hPa (Steady). 14:14 kf Ropuch: I win today :) 14:16 kf time to leave - will continue work on our search problem tomorrow. bye #koha 14:25 hilongo hello there! :) 14:27 hilongo Quick question ... I have installed koha 3.0.5 downloading and installing... but I'm having some problems getting it to run properly and thought that maybe I should try to get koha from git... but my koha is already in production ... so I don't know how to procede to replace one with the other :-/ 14:30 gmcharlt hilongo: the crude-but-simplest way would be to do a new dev-mode install from Git, then just point it to your production mysql database and Zebra database 14:31 gmcharlt and update your Apache config to point to the new install, of course 14:39 owen nengard: Have you done documentation of rotating collections yet? 14:41 nengard nope 14:41 nengard all this new stuff came at once :) 14:42 owen I'm working on some pretty heavy template revisions for it, you might want to wait 14:42 hilongo gmcharlt: OK ... so, the steps would be: 1) git clone (somewere) 2) git pull 3) git fetch --tags 4) git reset --hard (what would I put here?) 5) point this new kohaclone to my mysql and zebra databases (how do I do this? editting the new koha-conf.xml or something else too?) 6) point Apache (via koha-httpd.conf) to the new location) 7) Dance the victory dance .. ... 14:42 nengard owen - thanks!! and awesome!! it did look like it needed your touch :) 14:44 gmcharlt 1) git clone git://git.koha.org/pub/scm/koha.git 2) git checkout -b active origin/3.0.x (or replace origin/3.0.x with the tag of the specific version you want to run) 14:44 gmcharlt no need to be doing git fetch, git reset --hard for an initial install 14:45 gmcharlt 5) perl Makefile.PL (when asked, put in your existing mysql DB credentials and set path to existing production Zebra config) 14:45 gmcharlt make; make install 14:45 gmcharlt compare the koha-conf.xml generated by the dev mode install to the already in place and update it 14:45 gmcharlt bounce apache 14:46 gmcharlt dance the victory dance 14:46 gmcharlt missing some details, but hopefully you get the idea 14:49 * jwagner envisions gmcharlt dancing a victory dance 14:50 wizzyrea i bet it's glorious 14:51 owen I bet it involves some poppin' and lockin' 14:52 hilongo coming soon at Youtube maybe? :) 14:52 jwagner I seem to remember some discussion of creating a haka for Koha -- maybe when chris gets better? 14:52 gmcharlt naw, I dance like a robot whose battery has run down 14:53 wizzyrea Hmm, reminds me of the sound kids toys make when the batteries still have enough juice to go, but it's all warbly and weird 14:53 wizzyrea owen will know what I mean 14:53 wizzyrea that isn't to say gmcharlt is warbly and weird, but that's how I imagine his run down robot dance 14:54 gmcharlt I meant when the battery is completely run down ;) 14:54 wizzyrea Ohh... I think they call that performance art. 14:55 jwagner wizzyrea, something like Tom Paxton's The Marvellous Toy? "It went ZIP when it moved and POP when it stopped and WHIRRRR when it stood still" 14:55 wizzyrea jwagner hehe yes, exactly 14:55 wizzyrea sorry I will try to stay on target ;) 14:57 wizzyrea so. Bugs. Anything you would like me to poke at, an area as yet untouched? 14:57 wizzyrea or touched only briefly 14:57 collum Owen: opac-detail has an id element defined twice. (<body> and <div>) 14:57 * chris_n has gone through a case of bug spray already and its not even 1000 yet :-P 14:57 collum If this id is referenced in css or js which one wins? Or is it browser specific? 14:58 gmcharlt wizzyrea: sysprefs and acq 14:58 owen collum: I don't know, it's invalid. 14:58 * collum doesn't have access to koha right now so I hope this is the right page. 14:58 wizzyrea okies 14:59 owen collum: I confirm the problem. The <div> should probably be the one to be renamed. 14:59 collum owen: OK. I can play with it tonight. Unless you just want to do it real quick. 15:00 owen I'll leave it for you. The <div> in question just needs a unique id that more or less describes its role/position. Doesn't need to be brilliant. 15:00 collum yep 15:03 owen Thanks collum 15:04 collum np 15:16 wizzyrea hm, is this the error colin was referring to in bug 4107? http://screencast.com/t/MmNiZjI3 15:16 munin 04Bug http://bugs.koha.org/cgi-bin/bugzilla3/show_bug.cgi?id=4107 blocker, P5, ---, colin.campbell@ptfs-europe.com, NEW, adding order ends in error 15:17 wizzyrea afk, NExpress Users Group 15:17 wizzyrea always a fun time. 15:18 gmcharlt wizzy_meeting: different bug, I suspect 15:18 gmcharlt have you set up at least one budget? 15:23 chris_n nengard: I just submitted a couple of patches, one of which is necessary to the correct functionality of the card tool 15:25 nengard ah - ok i'll look for it to be pushed 15:25 wizzy_meeting yea, I do have a budget 15:25 wizzy_meeting will go back 15:26 wizzy_meeting still shouldn't it fail in a nicer not so geeky manner? 15:27 wizzy_meeting Ah, and even that error is a little misleading 15:27 wizzy_meeting you need a FUND 15:29 gmcharlt wizzy_meeting: no question - the failure should be nicer, and tell you "go plz make new fund now" - definitely worth filing a bug for 15:29 owen I can haz fund plz kthankxbai 15:30 * gmcharlt appoints owen as creator of all new error messages 15:30 owen that one's for when we get a lolcat translation to go with the Klingon and Swedish Chef one. 15:31 * jwagner tells owen just to make them all say Eats, Shoots and Leaves 15:32 wizzy_meeting lol owen 15:32 wizzy_meeting I will file a bug thx gmcharlt 15:37 wizzy_meeting erm who would be the proper assignee for new-acq? 15:37 wizzy_meeting I feel funny assigning it to ryan 15:38 wizzyrea for now :P 15:38 wizzyrea bug 4111 15:38 munin 04Bug http://bugs.koha.org/cgi-bin/bugzilla3/show_bug.cgi?id=4111 normal, P5, ---, rch@liblime.com, NEW, addorder.pl should fail in a more accurate fashion when no funds are defined. 15:39 nengard awesome 15:39 nengard spell checking the manual now as a way to kill time while waiting :) 15:39 owen wizzyrea: I'd think hdl would be an appropriate assignee for new-acq 15:40 * gmcharlt goes to change default acq assignee 15:40 wizzyrea ty gmcharlt 15:41 wizzyrea ok, going to talk practical koha use (for real this time) with our nexpress librarians. back in a bit 15:41 owen gmcharlt: I'd happy to be the default assignee for the OPAC and delegate. At least it makes more sense than having them go to Josh. 15:42 gmcharlt owen: cool - which email addy? 15:42 wizzyrea owen++ 15:42 owen oleonard@myacpl.org 15:43 irma Hi all 15:44 irma I like to view the log of the 30/1/2010 15:45 irma the address http://koha.org/cgi-bin/logs.plSet URL 15:45 irma is different now... 15:46 irma any suggestion please? 15:47 owen http://stats.workbuffer.org/irclog/koha/today 15:47 owen Or more specifically, http://stats.workbuffer.org/irclog/koha/2010-01-30 15:49 gmcharlt who wants to be default assignee for SIP2? 15:49 irma terrific. Thanks Owen and goodnight from me... 15:49 gmcharlt atz has this bizarre fascination with Evergreen at the moment ;) 15:51 gmcharlt owen: done (re OPAC) 15:51 gmcharlt I've also removed jmf@liblime.com as default assignee for all components still left with him except website (for which I've added myself as CC) 15:52 jdavidb Colin has been doing a *lot* of SIP work lately, gmcharlt; might talk to him about taking that. 15:54 gmcharlt @later tell Colin would you be wiling to be the default assignee for the SIP2 bug component? 15:54 munin gmcharlt: The operation succeeded. 15:55 owen Hmmm... No way to delete a rotating collection? 15:55 owen editCollections.pl seems to cover the process, but the template lacks an interface. I wonder if it's buggy. 15:56 gmcharlt owen: no doubt there are rough edges with it, yes 15:56 * owen grumbles 15:56 gmcharlt and I'm fully prepared to push it out of 3.2 and into 3.4 if need be 16:02 owen gmcharlt: right off the bat I see that transfers of rotating collection items aren't getting handled properly by the returns template 16:02 owen I'm getting conflicting messages 16:02 * gmcharlt 's hand starts moving towards the revert dagger at his side 16:06 rhcl_away @seen chris 16:06 munin rhcl_away: chris was last seen in #koha 1 day, 6 hours, 9 minutes, and 54 seconds ago: <chris> cool 16:06 rhcl_away any word on chris? is he posting anywhere? 16:07 gmcharlt rhcl_away: http://twitter.com/ranginui 16:07 rhcl tnx 16:08 owen http://zivotdesign.com/examples/rotating-collection-transfer-message.png 16:08 * owen grumbles very loudly about that dashed yellow box 16:13 nengard owen - what do you want that box to do? 16:13 owen <div class="dialog alert"> is the correct (standard) style, not <div class="dialog error"> 16:14 gmcharlt owen: hmm, check the last 20 commits or so - I think I may have pushed an unrelated patch that violates that 16:15 owen I may have already caught it gmcharlt, I do remember another one 16:16 owen But my primary concern about that screenshot is the conflict between the two transfer messages 16:17 gmcharlt yep, that does it 16:17 gmcharlt it's going to be moved to future 16:18 * gmcharlt grumbles, slaps self for pushing it in the first place 16:24 * gmcharlt is also not looking forward to the X/HTML 5 vs. XHTML2 vs. XHTML1 mess 16:29 owen There's not going to be any discussion of XHTML2 16:29 * owen puts his foot down 16:29 gmcharlt he - I'm kicking off the discussion now, actually 16:33 * owen has high hopes for HTML5 and would stick with XHTML-style markup conventions. 16:49 wizzyrea timeout on local hold, anybody proposed that? 16:49 wizzyrea (3.4, for sure) 16:50 gmcharlt not to my knowledge 16:50 wizzyrea sweet, I'll um.... file a bug I guess. Is there a category for 3.4 yet? 16:50 owen wizzyrea, can you elaborate? 16:51 wizzyrea yessir... so lets say you have a bestseller, and you give it a itype of Local hold, restricting it to branch only patrons 16:51 wizzyrea that item will probably not be popular anymore in 6 months 16:51 gmcharlt wizzyrea: I add rel_3_4 to bz 16:51 wizzyrea so no reason to have that itype on it anymore 16:51 * owen supposes he can stop rushing to fix rotating collection templates 16:52 wizzyrea but, 6 months down the road you have to manually remove that itype 16:52 wizzyrea it would be nice, if at catalog time, you could set an expiration date 16:52 owen Sounds like date-based itemtypes 16:52 wizzyrea to automatically change the itype to a non restricted one 16:52 wizzyrea does that exist? 16:53 gmcharlt wizzyrea: ah, interesting - akin to Evergreen's notion of "age protection" 16:53 owen Just trying to understand the goal better 16:53 * owen could use some age protection himself 16:53 wizzyrea I'm not familiar with that 16:53 gmcharlt though age protection is an item attribute in EG, not an attribute of (EG's equivalent of) the item type 16:53 wizzyrea but it sounds like it's related 16:53 wizzyrea :)( 16:54 wizzyrea I actually think that item attributes are sorely underused in koha, I bet that would be a huge job to revamp :( 16:54 wizzyrea make holdability dependent on item specific attributes instead of itypes 16:55 wizzyrea the local hold thing, now that I'm thinking about it, was a bit of a shoehorn 16:56 wizzyrea brb have to move my car, the realtors next door are getting mad (wow, this meeting is putting me in a foul temper) 16:56 wizzyrea ty for the tag gmcharlt, I'll condense my thoughts and add a bug/enhancement for 3.4 for local hold time-limits 16:57 rhcl I've just purchased kohacon.com and kohacon.org 16:58 rhcl these will be for community use (I'll gladly transfer ownership) if the community wants them 17:01 * chris_n hates it when he accidentally triple clicks and closes more windows then he intended... bah... 17:02 owen That's great rhcl. You'll have to try to connect with chris when he's back online 17:04 rhcl yep 17:16 wizzyrea rhcl: chris is quite ill, was in the hospital. You might try emailing him 17:16 wizzyrea if you want response quicker 17:21 rhcl Oh, it can wait I'm sure. 17:24 jwagner chris is made of sterner stuff than I am. I don't think I'd be tweeting while doctors were attacking me with scalpels and forceps.... 17:24 jwagner whimpering, maybe, but not tweeting! 17:27 rhcl what's the escape sequence to "hid" posts here from being logged? 17:27 rhcl hide 17:27 jwagner Isn't it open-bracket off close-bracket? 17:27 rhcl [test ] 17:27 owen That's how I remember it 17:27 rhcl well, that obviously worked 17:27 gmcharlt [off] no, like this 17:28 * jdavidb [off] wonders if it works for emotes, too? 17:28 rhcl wizzyrea: did you want a peek at our libki? We've got a couple clients up and running. 17:28 owen [off] I am planning a surprise party for logbot_backup, no one tell 17:29 owen jdavidb: It worked! 17:29 rhcl [off] if you want to send me you IP (ranges) I'll try to let you in. can email if you'd prefer. 17:29 jdavidb I see that! wooooot! 17:29 rhcl your 17:29 * jdavidb [off] makes faces at the bosses behind their backs, just for funsies. 17:30 * jwagner says I'm gonna tell!!!! 17:30 jdavidb jwagner: :P 17:30 jdavidb I figured you'd *help* jwagner. 17:31 jwagner Nah, I don't bother with faces. I just mutter curses.... 17:31 gmcharlt rhcl: remember that while [off] will prevent logbot_backup from recording it, it doesn't prevent anybody who's on channel for logging and posting the conversation </standard disclaimer about IRC logging> 17:32 rhcl sure, understand that... this is a pretty minor thing 17:32 jwagner The problem with making faces is that my face works independently of my thoughts. When I think I'm grimacing in anguish, Jeetika thinks I'm in a good mood.... 17:35 jdavidb you just have a very happy face, jwagner. 17:36 jdavidb (unlike mine. When I'm happy, it looks pretty neutral. When I actually smile, it's time to run and hide in fear.) 17:36 jwagner Like I said -- face != mood.... 17:37 * owen face=neutral;mood=hungry 17:37 nengard is hungry a mood? 17:39 imp sure 17:40 imp sometimes it's a "don't get between me and my food"-mood :D 17:40 rhcl I have a coupon for a 1/4 lb double cheeseburger from BK in my hand right now. I'm mood. 17:41 jwagner Isn't is more that the cow is mood? 17:41 nengard oh my 17:41 * jwagner is getting slap-happy, I think 17:42 jdavidb jwagner: so go slap someone? I have a little list... 17:42 jwagner Have baseball bat, will travel! 17:43 jwagner Speaking of which -- 15 days until spring truly begins! (i.e., when pitchers and catchers report for spring training) 17:44 jwagner Oh the happiness of me! 17:44 * jwagner thinks I'd better go get some lunch now. 17:44 rhcl need a coupon? 17:44 nengard hehe 17:45 jwagner For celery sticks? (I _HATE_ healthy lunches!) 17:52 * chris_n adjusts his hungry mood with two pieces of homemade wheat bread 18:08 schuster There we are... was having trouble connecting... 18:08 schuster cgi562 did you get your root document directory worked out? 18:08 schuster wow did I scare everyone away or is it lunch time? 18:10 schuster Is there an easy way to compare to files say returns.pl without doing it line by line manually? I want to look at returns.pl at 3.00.00 3.00.04/5 and 3.2 as there are things that happened along the way and I'm curious to see them. 18:11 schuster compare two rather than to 18:11 chris_n diff maybe 18:11 chris_n or even git diff 18:12 schuster so git diff /kohaclone1/returns.pl /kohaclone2/returns.pl 18:12 schuster Sorry don't know git well yet. 18:12 chris_n like that you would just do 'diff -u /path/file1 /path/file2' 18:13 chris_n you may want to redirect the output to a file and then edit the file with your favorite text editor 18:13 chris_n so 'diff -u /path/file1 /path/file2 > file.diff' 18:13 chris_n then 'vim file.diff' 18:13 chris_n or whatever 18:14 chris_n wb pastebot 18:15 schuster thank you chris_n - you are of great value to the community! 18:15 schuster @karma chris_n ++ 18:15 * chris_n thinks munin is at lunch 18:16 schuster hmmm might be my que ;) 18:16 chris_n lol :-) 18:16 schuster in looking at returns.pl today with a perl programmer there were several "FIX ME" spots that concerned me so I wanted to take a closer peek. 18:36 owen schuster: http://git.koha.org/cgi-bin/gitweb.cgi?p=Koha;a=history;f=circ/returns.pl;h=da2b574d1dbbe4cd27e0b64ac913d13494449811;hb=HEAD 18:37 owen Maybe that will tell you something? 18:43 wizzyrea rhcl YES! 18:52 ebegin 11:00 UTC for the Koha meeting, this is in 24h format, so 11am UTC, right? 18:54 jwagner ebegin, see http://tycho.usno.navy.mil/zones.html -- depends on your timezone. Looks like a painful 6:00 AM ET here 18:54 ebegin jwagner, yep, I'm on the Eastern Time too :) 18:55 jwagner I doubt I'm going to make that meeting.... 19:01 Peach Hi all 19:05 rhcl whizzyrea: "YES" what? 19:05 rhcl BK coupon? 19:10 CGI646 hello 19:10 joetho bk coupon yes. She talks about health food but dreams about BK coupons. 19:11 CGI646 can someone answer a koha question for me? 19:13 jdavidb Ask away, 646; if someone can answer, they'll chime in. 19:14 CGI646 cool - thanks. i am just looking at the koha demo and is there a way to print out barcodes for the patrons or books? 19:15 CGI646 i looked in reports 19:15 * jwagner says "Paging chris_n" 19:16 jdavidb The demo on the koha.org site is a fair bit out-of-date; I think there has been some recent work in that area, particularly on patrons. What is already present, for items, is in the Tools menu, as "Label Creator." 19:16 CGI646 ah...just found it thanks! 19:16 * chris_n drags himself out of a pit of bugs and grasps the keyboard 19:16 wizzyrea you probably want to look at the demos on koha-community.org 19:16 jdavidb wizzyrea++ 19:17 wizzyrea and there's a slightly better method for connecting to the IRC channel there as well :) 19:17 wizzyrea one where you get to pick your nick 19:17 chris_n jwagner: here.... just 19:17 jdavidb The demos at koha-community.org are fresher, at the moment. 19:17 wizzyrea they are actually up to head as of yesterday 19:17 CGI646 ok - i am looking for a program for a small charter school and found this through a google search. i have looked at library express - is koha a pretty good program? 19:17 wizzyrea we think so 19:17 jdavidb awesome, wizzyrea! you rock! 19:18 wizzyrea jdavidb had you not seen that? 19:18 wizzyrea I've been busy >.> 19:18 jdavidb I saw it the night you stood it up, but I've not been back there since; been kinda busy with stuff here. 19:18 wizzyrea and gmcharlt too, he's written most of the content 19:18 wizzyrea PH helped with the CSS a little 19:19 jdavidb :-O Someone other than owen knows css around these parts? Who knew!? :P 19:19 wizzyrea lol 19:19 owen I've just got the best marketing team 19:19 jdavidb heheh 19:20 CGI646 thanks for your help and feedback - i'll check out the demo at koha-community.org 19:20 CGI646 thanks again 19:20 jdavidb 646, you could do a *lot* worse for your library than koha. 19:21 wizzyrea some argue that you couldn't do better :) 19:22 jdavidb for some libraries, I'd agree, wizzyrea. I don't think that (today) you could get Queens Borough to say so, or Library of Congress, but someday, someday... 19:22 jwagner chris_n, I was just seeing if you wanted to describe your label & patron card creator for CGI646 19:22 CGI646 the school doesn't have any kind of program now and they only want to enter in their data once 19:23 schuster Koha would be a good starting point as a school... and the price is right generally 19:23 schuster Depends on if they have a Debian server that can be setup and someone to help do updates. 19:23 wizzyrea a good nerd always helps 19:24 jdavidb Koha's pretty darn good for K-12 work (I hope schuster agrees with that; I'd consider him authoritative on that.) 19:24 wizzyrea in fact, 19:24 wizzyrea I would consider a good nerd a requirement for running koha 19:24 wizzyrea :P 19:24 wizzyrea or at least someone who's willing to geek out with us while we help get you going 19:25 CGI646 i would be that nerd 19:25 wizzyrea excellent :) 19:25 CGI646 maybe :) 19:25 wizzyrea http://koha-community.org/download-koha/ lists the requirements 19:25 jdavidb you've already demonstrated one important skill--you're here, askin' questions. 19:26 CGI646 very tru 19:27 joetho it lists the requirements for being a nerd? 19:27 jdavidb What youo see right now is a pretty normal population here, for this time of day. During US working hours, are usually several folks around who can help with things. 19:27 CGI646 pardon my ignorance - do the requirements listed mean it won't run on a windows environment? 19:28 jdavidb It has been done on Windows, but it's not a popular setup. 19:28 rhcl You wouldn't really want to try. :) 19:28 CGI646 ok 19:30 CGI646 ok - let me poke around some more in the demo during the last few minutes of my lunch break. thanks again for the advice/feedback etc. 19:30 jdavidb You bet. best of luck. 19:32 CGI646 thanks 19:33 * jdavidb has done his good deed for the day, and can now return to grumpy-old-coot mode. 19:35 wizzyrea lol grumpy-old-coot 19:35 wizzyrea ...can it run on windows. I'm not sure I really want to go there 19:36 wizzyrea running anything on windows kind of gives me the heebie jeebies 19:36 jdavidb wizzyrea, I don't think either one of us is quite masochistic enough for that. 19:36 wizzyrea and it is, truly, masochism 19:36 wizzyrea "Please microsoft... hit me again... oh the pain... again!" 19:36 rhcl all the (best) help would be for Linux, to try on Windows would require some knowledge and ability to wing some of it 19:37 jdavidb One o' these days, when I'm up for some pain and suffering, I'll try to spin Koha up using IIS. Behind a firewall, natch. Merely looking at the IIS package opens you up to all sorts of leaky security. 19:38 wizzyrea I looked at it sideways once, and a russian hacker pwnt my brain 19:38 rhcl IIS with Win98 on a PII ? 19:38 * jdavidb throws a Koosh at rhcl. 19:38 rhcl What the *heck* is a Koosh? That don't even google right 19:39 jdavidb http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Koosh 19:39 rhcl Oh, it's a ball thingie 19:39 wizzyrea very popular in the mid 90's 19:39 wizzyrea a squooshy, crazy looking ball 19:39 rhcl I got some good swag day before yesterday. 19:40 * jwagner screams in anguish 19:40 rhcl well, off to clean off my workbench... 19:40 jdavidb wizzyrea: You still running Easy Peasy on your Eee? 19:41 jdavidb you okay, jwagner? 19:41 jwagner WHY are subscription periodicity values hardcoded in the template and the pm file? It's impossible to do a report to list a serial title and its frequency!!! 19:41 wizzyrea actually, I was running UNR on it 19:41 wizzyrea ubuntu netbook remix 19:41 * jdavidb nods. 19:42 wizzyrea is good. 19:42 jdavidb I switched to EEEBuntu a while back, and it smokes along pretty well. 19:42 * jdavidb hasn't tried running Koha on that. Yet. 19:51 wizzyrea hmm have we seen any movemint on bug 3595 19:51 wizzyrea movement 19:51 brendan munin ? 19:51 * wizzyrea cries... munin is away 19:51 wizzyrea http://bugs.koha.org/cgi-bin/bugzilla3/show_bug.cgi?id=3595 19:51 brendan oh bummer... How am I to figure out the weather? 19:51 wizzyrea www.weather.gov 19:52 wizzyrea http://forecast.weather.gov/MapClick.php?CityName=Goleta&state=CA&site=LOX&textField1=34.4358&textField2=-119.827&e=0 19:53 brendan thanks munin er... wizzyrea 19:53 wizzyrea I remember where you are, he doesn't ;) 19:53 brendan so munin is a guy to you? 19:53 brendan I think of munin as an it 19:53 wizzyrea it 19:53 wizzyrea it doesn't 19:53 Jo morning all 19:53 wizzyrea >.< 19:53 brendan morning Jo 19:54 Jo I think Munin is a guy 19:54 wizzyrea hey jo. any word from chris? I sure hope he's feeling better 19:54 Jo no word. 19:54 wizzyrea poor fella 19:55 Jo I had tonisls out when I was 27. It was all terrific until the morphine wore off then I was in unbelievable pain for about 3 days ... so not expoecting to hear from him :( 19:55 * jwagner sends chris lots of ice cream, popsicles, and other cool and soothing stuff 19:55 Jo Mason: you up and about yet? 19:56 wizzyrea chloraseptic spray 19:56 wizzyrea man I had mono in college, and that was terrible, i can only imagine what it must be like to have your tonsils out 19:56 Jo liquid painkillers (childrens paracetemol is ghastly in large amounts ) 19:57 wizzyrea chloraseptic spray *then* take your pills 19:57 Jo a dm on twitter gets to his phone - if he has it switched on of course 19:57 wizzyrea spray -> pill pop 19:57 Jo ah - see there you go! My Dad would have said gargle with whiskey (swalowing optional) 19:57 wizzyrea i hear that works for the hiccups too 19:57 wizzyrea lol 19:57 * jdavidb chills a bottle of whiskey. 19:58 Jo asking a kid to swallow straight whiskey was a bit dodgy i alwasy thought 19:58 wizzyrea haha yea 19:58 Jo so, talk to me about the bug squashing party next week. 19:59 schuster makes them sleep well though not the bug squashing, but the wisky 19:59 Jo probably both :) 19:59 Jo i have a bunch of bugs found in our test koha 3.x. 20:00 Jo i was thinking i should load them into bugzilla but now unsurte. 20:00 Jo shhould i wait until after i have tested them on the latest release 20:00 wizzyrea yea, probably 20:00 wizzyrea what kind of bugs 20:00 Jo probably what? 20:00 Jo advanced search, 20:01 wizzyrea wait until you've tested on the latest release 20:01 Jo patrons accounts 20:01 Jo no blockers just little annoyances which will trash the goodwill towards going live in about 3 mins flat 20:01 Jo ok - sonext question. 20:02 Jo will there be a latest release test database that we could access for the bug squashing day 20:02 Jo i doubt that chris will have been able to get ours updated by then 20:02 wizzyrea um, the bywater demo on koha-community.org is up to date to db revision 111 20:02 wizzyrea if that heps 20:02 wizzyrea helps 20:02 Jo cool. 20:02 wizzyrea which is... yesterday 20:02 Jo i would like to particpate and will roster one of senior staff on as well (good intro to koha community) 20:03 wizzyrea yea, finding bugs is almost as important as squashing them :) 20:03 Jo we won't be able to fix anything but are quite at finding, testing and reporting back 20:04 Jo quite good (i meant) 20:04 Jo right - off to work 20:04 gmcharlt Jo++ 20:05 wizzyrea wb 20:07 owen Hi vickiteal 20:07 wizzyrea hey vickiteal 20:08 wizzyrea owen: what do you think of this interface http://screencast.com/t/YjA4YzRhMzI 20:09 wizzyrea does it look odd to you? 20:09 wizzyrea like it needs some padding or something 20:09 owen Yes 20:10 * wizzyrea realizes she should close her tabs before sending screenshots 20:10 wizzyrea but is terribly lazy 20:10 owen It's okay, it gives us all a chance to snoop ;) 20:11 owen wizzyrea: How did you reach that page? 20:11 wizzyrea good question 20:12 joetho one facebook tab. Not bad., 20:12 wizzyrea let be backtrack 20:12 wizzyrea ;) 20:12 wizzyrea I created an order 20:12 wizzyrea I hit "Close this basket" 20:12 wizzyrea Clicked "Yes" 20:13 wizzyrea and that did it 20:13 wizzyrea incidentally, if you hit back, and do those steps from a completed basket, it creates a new basket 20:13 wizzyrea identical* 20:13 * owen gets so confused by acquisitions 20:14 wizzyrea me too 20:14 wizzyrea I suppose it makes sense if you use it every day 20:14 wizzyrea it's very hard to test :/ 20:15 owen I'd love to see the workflow diagrammed 20:15 wizzyrea yes, that would be super helpful 20:15 sekjal agreed. 20:15 braedon|work anyone know what version of Graphics::Magick 3.2a needs? the perl makefile has it as an undisplayable character when it complains about it 20:16 braedon|work (for me) 20:17 wizzyrea hrm http://screencast.com/t/ODIyYTZlYjEt 20:17 wizzyrea can anybody else replicate? I'll file the bug if so 20:17 Jo I can draw up our acquisitions workflow if you like 20:17 wizzyrea ooh, and if you cancel the download the basket disappears 20:18 braedon|work is it just me that gets XML Parsing Errors when viewing those links? 20:18 wizzyrea or disappears regardless of whether you print or not 20:18 Jo we use koha entirely for acq 20:18 wizzyrea the screencast ones? 20:18 braedon|work ya 20:18 wizzyrea I've never had an issue with them 20:18 sekjal Jo: that'd be great! 20:18 wizzyrea http://content.screencast.com/users/lizrea/folders/Jing/media/1547b3ed-f400-4c9a-abac-ba837f55b93e/00000128.png 20:18 owen Jo: It might be helpful but you probably don't have all the features we're looking at. New stuff in 3.2 20:18 braedon|work that one works 20:18 Jo ok - onto it now (nothing like putting off other stuff that has to be done) 20:18 wizzyrea yea, it's just the png without the wrapper 20:19 wizzyrea oh hell, and the PDF isn't actually downloaded/generated 20:19 wizzyrea booo 20:19 wizzyrea sigh off to bugzilla I go 20:25 Jo looking at the conversation I think we use acquisitions in a very low level way :( My diagram may not be all that helpful for bigger systems 20:26 Jo or for koha 3 for that matter ... 20:39 wizzyrea okies, I have a headache, see you all tomorrow 20:39 wizzyrea :) 21:17 brendan @seen munin 21:17 brendan boooooo 21:17 owen munin didn't survive the Great Lunchtime Booting of Feb. 4 2010 21:35 * chris_n squashes the last bug of the day 21:35 chris_n and heads back to the stall 21:38 Jo so I have done a visio diagram of how we use acquisitions here at HLT as a starting point. Can someone advise what would be the best way to share it? 21:38 richard i think visio lets you export as jpeg 21:38 Jo Can save it as png, jpeg etc or a visio drawing 21:39 Jo (waves at Richard) 21:41 chris_n Jo: maybe in both visio and jpeg? 21:42 Jo ok. 21:42 Jo now how do I share them? I can load them into Kete from where they can be downloaded 21:43 Jo but they kinda belong somewhere more Koha community space than HLT 21:43 Jo I'll load them into Kete and someone clever can take them from there and put them anywhere useful 21:43 brendan Hey Jo 21:44 brendan I'd say send it to Nicole and maybe she can add it to the manual 21:44 brendan err.. nengard that is 21:46 Jo oh Brendan ... I suspect we operate at a very basic level compared to other big organisations. 21:46 Jo maybe way way to simple :) 21:46 brendan jo - I think it all helps 21:47 Jo but I will alert her to it and she can take it from there :) 21:47 brendan if you're doing that way I'm sure their are loads of others that are doing the same way 21:51 Nate goodnight everyone! 21:52 Jo here 'tis: http://kete.library.org.nz/en/site/images/show/49-jpeg-version-of-the-acquisitons-data-flow-diagram?view_size=large 21:53 * brendan loves kete 21:54 chris_ back, sorta 21:54 joetho jo nicole mentioned earlier today that all her screenshots are png 21:55 hdl_laptop gmcharlt: ? 21:56 hdl_laptop @later tell gmcharlt about bug 4104 I asked matts to cope with that 21:59 sekjal hey, chris 21:59 Jo Hi Chris 21:59 sekjal how are you? 21:59 brendan hi chris - sending get well virtual teas 22:00 chris mostly ok, pretty out of it 22:01 chris but the swelling is going down so i can swallow again 22:01 chris_n hey chris 22:02 Jo got lots of happy drugs I hope 22:02 hdl_laptop get well chris 22:03 rhcl_away wb chris 22:04 chris yeah some decent painkillers 22:04 chris and thanks all 22:08 joetho try not to yawn Chris 22:10 gmcharlt hi hdl_laptop 22:12 gmcharlt welcome back, chris 22:12 sekjal KUDOS board meeting minutes published to the listserv 22:17 chris sweet, when was the meeting sekjal? 22:17 sekjal just wrapped up a few minutes ago 22:18 * chris updates http://koha-community.org/support/paid-support/ 22:18 chris CILEA and Mill run added 22:19 chris fixing up software.coop now 22:22 chris right and now to add libriotech 22:23 sekjal alright, time to get some fresh air. until tomorrow, #koha 22:26 chris ok, now just ptfs europe to go and that should be everyone represented on that page now 22:26 chris inclusion++ 22:39 brendan inclusion++ indeed 22:41 moodaepo @wunder 56001 22:43 * moodaepo broke mon wunder? 22:43 chris_n gmcharlt: will munin be back soon? 22:44 gmcharlt oops, didn't noticed it had died 22:46 chris wheres owen i needs his mad skillz 22:46 brendan yup as owen says "munin didn't survive the Great Lunchtime Booting of Feb. 4 2010" 22:46 brendan munin++ 22:46 chris yay munin 22:47 gmcharlt actually, it had survived, it just dropped its connection to irc.katipo.co.nz and failed to regain it for some reason 22:47 chris http://kohacon.appspot.com/2010/registration/ i need some css styles 22:50 T3SS3L hello everybody 22:50 T3SS3L any from América ? 22:50 * T3SS3L is in Guatemala 22:51 brendan @wunder 93117 22:51 munin brendan: The current temperature in Northwest Goleta, Goleta, California is 16.1�C (2:45 PM PST on February 04, 2010). Conditions: Mostly Cloudy. Humidity: 73%. Dew Point: 11.0�C. Pressure: 29.90 in 1012.4 hPa (Falling). 22:52 chris @wunder wellington nz 22:52 munin chris: The current temperature in Wellington, New Zealand is 15.0�C (11:05 AM NZDT on February 05, 2010). Conditions: Fog. Humidity: 94%. Dew Point: 14.0�C. Pressure: 30.39 in 1029 hPa (Steady). 22:52 brendan gotcha beat by just a little bit 22:52 brendan 1.1 is a win in my book 22:53 rhcl_away chris: I snagged kohacon.org and kohacon.com 22:53 rhcl_away these are for the community--I'll be glad to transfer ownership to whoever represents the community if they want them 22:56 chris thanks very much 22:56 rhcl_away np 22:56 chris when chilts is back, ill get you to point them to kohacon.appspot.com 22:57 rhcl_away OK 22:58 rhcl_away Eventually I'd like to go ahead and actually transfer the ownership, but no hurry for that. 22:59 chris yeah, jo at hlt is who you want to talk to about that one 23:14 Jo i'm back