Time Nick Message 23:59 munin brendan: The current temperature in Northwest Goleta, Goleta, California is 18.0�C (3:52 PM PST on February 03, 2010). Conditions: Clear. Humidity: 62%. Dew Point: 11.0�C. Pressure: 29.70 in 1005.6 hPa (Falling). 23:58 brendan @wunder 93117 23:56 pianohacker bye again, just wanted to see the new icons :) 23:56 pianohacker greetings to you too 23:55 brendan greetings 23:55 brendan hi pianohacker 23:55 brendan didn't get this in yet 23:49 pianohacker vokal++ # The new icons are very tasteful and consistent 23:29 gmcharlt yeah, I'm asking about the sponsor section specifically 23:29 brendan I'm just the middleman 23:29 brendan yes give them all the credit 23:29 brendan I agree 23:29 gmcharlt vokal seems the most common 23:28 brendan http://openilsvt.pbworks.com/ 23:28 gmcharlt heh - they don't seem quite sure either 23:28 brendan hmm.. not sure 23:28 brendan http://gmlc.wordpress.com/koha-project/ 23:27 gmcharlt Vokal or VOKAL? 23:27 brendan give the credit to Vokal 23:27 brendan yes 23:27 gmcharlt brendan: do they want a credit in the release notes? 23:27 gmcharlt vokal++ 23:27 braedon_ well, if you know what to search for 23:25 brendan ah the power of bugs.koha.org++ 23:22 braedon_ thanks 23:22 braedon_ magical 23:22 braedon_ fixed 23:20 braedon_ can always delete them 23:20 braedon_ i will try adding the fields 23:19 brendan I don't have a 3.00.05 database at the moment 23:19 brendan hmm.. not sure I was speaking to head 23:18 braedon_ i am on 3.00.05 at the moment - should they be there? 23:18 braedon_ those three fields are not in my database 23:15 munin 04Bug http://bugs.koha.org/cgi-bin/bugzilla3/show_bug.cgi?id=3870 blocker, PATCH-Sent, ---, nahuel.angelinetti@biblibre.com, NEW, Can't add circulation and fines rules 23:15 brendan braedon_ this could deal with bug 3870 23:11 braedon_ is there some magic to defining issuing rules? nothing i do seems to add anything 23:02 wizzyrea squee! 23:01 brendan s/if/it 23:01 brendan hey cool - if worked I'm registered 23:00 brendan doh 23:00 wizzyrea 1. it's not always instantaneous and 2. it's been getting caught in spam filters a lot 22:59 wizzyrea and if you don't get the email let me know 22:59 wizzyrea there's a link 22:59 wizzyrea create an account, see the first post on the site 22:59 brendan I may have missed this - what's the process to get access to edit or add to the koha-community 22:58 wizzyrea updated 22:58 wizzyrea nope you make it look lovely ;) 22:58 brendan sure thing and let me know if you want me to change anything 22:57 wizzyrea ty kindly 22:57 brendan 3.01.00.111 22:56 wizzyrea oh sweet lol that was fast 22:56 brendan wizzyrea -> updated now 22:52 wizzyrea wizzyrea@gmail.com 22:52 wizzyrea email me when you're done and I'll fix it 22:52 wizzyrea woot! 22:51 brendan wizzyrea - I'm going to update the intranet.bywatersolutions.com demo to the current HEAD by the end of today - so you can update that information on koha-community.org 22:50 wizzyrea awesome, even. 22:50 wizzyrea sniff test. Aesome 22:48 brendan right now they are listed as sfdicons -- but I changed that to vokal 22:47 brendan same for password 22:47 brendan username - demo 22:47 brendan pianohacker --> http://demo-staff.bywatersolutions.com/cgi-bin/koha/admin/itemtypes.pl?op=add_form 22:46 braedon_ fun times :) 22:46 braedon_ hmm, ok 22:45 gmcharlt I think it applies to subfields as well 22:45 braedon_ gmcharlt: does that apply for subfields? or just whole tags? 22:39 pianohacker brendan: Do you have an online preview of the new VOKAL icons? 22:36 brendan of course :) 22:35 gmcharlt no, I need a badge :) 22:35 brendan gmcharlt you need a matching jacket or varsity jacket kind of thing 22:35 braedon_ haha, o, right 22:35 gmcharlt I do 22:35 braedon_ who has it? 22:33 brendan wow really likes the URL name - librarypolice.com 22:33 chris_n and use the framework as a sort of filter for editing/displaying 22:33 chris_n I would think you'd like to keep all tags/fields of the original marc record intact 22:33 braedon_ that seems to be what i found in the tests 22:33 chris_n then, I think the marc editor is on the slate to be revamped at some point iirc 22:32 braedon_ ok 22:32 gmcharlt removed 22:32 braedon_ "not represented" - hidden or removed? 22:32 * chris_n agrees 22:32 gmcharlt (which doesn't actually seem all that good) 22:32 gmcharlt right, but once the record passes through the Koha MARC editor, tags not represented in the framework can get stripped 22:31 braedon_ cool 22:31 chris_n I do know hiding/unhiding does not affect the tag/field in the record 22:31 braedon_ ok 22:30 chris_n I'll have to defer on that answer to gmcharlt or someone else more familiar with what goes on when certian tags are actually removed from the framework 22:29 braedon_ so should all tags in default be in the others? just some hidden? 22:28 braedon_ and also then to other frameworks, and back to books 22:28 chris_n I missunderstood earlier... by change I meant hiding subfields rather than deleteing tags from the framework 22:27 braedon_ what i am then doing is moving them to the books framework, and saving 22:27 braedon_ the original marc records are imported 22:26 braedon_ not 22:24 chris_n braedon_: are you hiding or actually removing the tags? 22:21 braedon_ chris_n: the 019 and 695 tags don't appear in the default mark framework at all 22:21 braedon_ chris_n: it looks like whenever you save a marc record, it reformats it(obviously), and any tags that Koha doesn't know about, are not transferred over 22:20 wizzyrea nm :) 22:17 wizzyrea slef about? 22:16 braedon_ time to work out what on earth they are :) 22:15 braedon_ it also added a 942 22:15 braedon_ ok, in the test i did, moving a random book from default to books, it deleted a 019 tag, and a 695 22:01 chris_n there are some things that you should not change unadvisedly, however, like mapping of marc fields to koha fields 22:01 brendan gmcharlt++ #busy-man and I'm loving seeing all the gitosis messages 22:00 * chris_n has added/removed tags from frameworks often and noticed no data loss as a result 21:59 braedon_ i'm having a look into one i changed to books, to see what it did 21:59 braedon_ ok 21:59 chris_n if the record had the tag and/or subfield it will still be there, just not displayed 21:58 chris_n braedon_: I don't believe the changing the framework drops any data iirc 21:56 pianohacker unfortunately, I must drop out and get some work done, adios 21:55 pianohacker braedon_: Which specific subfields? You can turn that off, there's some weird and unnecessary defaults 21:55 braedon_ i suppose i can look at the logs and find what it has dropped for a given record 21:54 braedon_ Thinking about it, i will have to come up with something. if you leave it on default, whenever you save a marc record(well, for all the ones i have tried it on at least) there are a bunch of required fields that it wants you to add, as they aren't in the original record retrieved from z39.50 servers. If you switch it to books, it stops complaining 21:53 pianohacker That might be a mailing list question, then, I'm not positive that all of the example frameworks cover the same tags 21:52 pianohacker Hrm 21:51 braedon_ the problem with building one from the default, is that i wouldn't know what ones to change, and I don't think the librarian that will be using the system would either 21:50 pianohacker braedon_: Editing it in the database would change the way the record is displayed but not the content, but it would get dropped when you saved the record 21:49 braedon_ for future reference, would changing the frameworkcode field in the database have the same effect as editing the marc record and changing the dropdown? ie, when is the conversion from one framework to the other done? 21:48 pianohacker If you're concerned, you can delete the example frameworks except for default, then duplicate some new ones from the default, and then change those 21:47 braedon_ probably all right to leave them as default for this installation i think 21:46 pianohacker I think the tag coverage of most of them is the same, but... 21:45 braedon_ hmm, so no knowing anything about what fields are actually useful, doing so could be potentially bad 21:44 pianohacker braedon_: If a tag/subfield is present in one framework and not another, I think transferring it will drop that tag 21:43 brendan speaking like yoda today I am 21:43 braedon_ can anyone explain what changing the marc framework of a book actually does(ie, from default to books)? does it drop any data? or just change how the marc record is viewed? 21:42 brendan heh 21:42 brendan thanks greatly 21:42 pianohacker said painohacker 21:42 * pianohacker gives brendan some new a and i keys, the current ones seem to be problematic 21:41 brendan s/send/said 21:41 brendan ah I see send the blind man (well actually the one who hasn't been reading the #koha channel) 21:41 wizzyrea you're killin me smalls 21:41 pianohacker I think 21:41 wizzyrea phew 21:41 wizzyrea oh good 21:41 wizzyrea doh lol 21:41 pianohacker brendan: Ok. The one linked from the website is bywater/bywater 21:40 brendan one is bywater/bywater and the other is demo/demo 21:40 brendan pianohacker - we've got two demo's up 21:35 gmcharlt hdl_laptop: about? 21:32 wizzyrea you're right about the click effect, that's much prettier 21:32 wizzyrea ph: i do like what you did to the CSS, very nice 21:30 wizzyrea done 21:30 wizzyrea ty ty will fix 21:30 wizzyrea it's a teeny library, it works for them and no reason particularly to update 21:30 pianohacker (also, just discovered that the password for bywater's demo is bywater/bywater, rather than demo/demo) 21:29 wizzyrea 3.01.00.041 21:29 wizzyrea this one is ooold 21:29 pianohacker What version are you marooned in? 21:29 pianohacker Huh. 21:29 wizzyrea we turned it off, and now it seems to be working 21:28 pianohacker And I can type in the $a subfield 21:28 pianohacker Well, I have a thesaurus too 21:28 wizzyrea silly 21:28 wizzyrea oh brilliant, the thesaurus was on 21:28 pianohacker wizzyrea: Here's what mine looks like: http://www.ubuntu-pics.de/bild/40937/selection_001_4SnlSI.png 21:27 pianohacker Then $a, then display more constraints 21:26 pianohacker Then Edit Subfields 21:26 pianohacker Then find the 100 tag, and click subfields next to it 21:26 pianohacker Then MARC Structure next to Default framework 21:25 pianohacker Administration -> MARC Bibliographic Framework 21:24 wizzyrea sorry, should have truncated that link 21:24 wizzyrea is that the right spot? 21:24 wizzyrea http://pomona.nekls.org:8080/cgi-bin/koha/admin/authtypes.pl 21:24 pianohacker (your sanity thanks you) 21:23 wizzyrea (this is not the area I muck about in much) 21:23 pianohacker In the subfields structure editor 21:23 wizzyrea forgive my ignorance, where do I look for that 21:23 pianohacker Does the 100 $a field have a plugin assigned to it? 21:23 pianohacker Well, there's authorities and then there's authorized values 21:19 wizzyrea erm, would the Authority types preferences have something to do with it? 21:18 wizzyrea what triggers the little ellipsis? Authorities? 21:16 wizzyrea nope, not that 21:15 wizzyrea you know turning it off and on again lol 21:15 wizzyrea toggle it maybe and see if it helps? 21:15 pianohacker Hrm 21:15 wizzyrea off :/ 21:15 pianohacker It's a lovely syspref that is on by default for some reason 21:14 pianohacker wizzyrea: BiblioAddsAuthorities? 21:13 wizzyrea it's like, you can click in it, but you can't type anything 21:12 wizzyrea nope, not that 21:11 wizzyrea ty ty , will check 21:11 owen that it's not trying to link 100$a to an authorized value or something like that 21:10 wizzyrea hmm, what about it? 21:10 owen wizzyrea: You double-checked the MARC framework? 21:10 wizzyrea any reason why a library using no authorities would be unable to add something to 100$a? 21:06 jwagner I'm gonna sign off now. Got that long trip home, after all :-) (Two seconds, that is) 21:06 jwagner owen, I emailed jdavidb to read the logs, so he'll know what you're asking about tomorrow. 21:04 braedon_ debian, on a virtualbox vm(which i suspect may be part the problem - never had the issue before) 21:03 braedon_ this is not in any way koha specific, but has anyone come across an issue where mysql is started before networking on bootup, causing it to fail? 20:54 jwagner What she said. 20:54 wizzyrea wtf seriously 20:52 owen This one is just absurd: http://koha.pastebin.com/d3822211a 20:51 jwagner Wonder if you could reproduce it -- take an existing OK title & manually reorder holds, then check the table values. 20:50 owen that might explain why there isn't an item with priority 1 20:49 jwagner *blinks* 20:49 wizzyrea whoa 20:49 owen Manually re-ordered? 20:49 owen The entry with "421" priority has a reservedate "2009-12-18" but a timestamp "2010-02-03" 20:48 owen A strange example: http://koha.pastebin.com/mf0501 20:43 jwagner I haven't looked, is there a bugzilla report on this type of problem? If not, there probably should be.... 20:42 owen I will, thanks 20:41 jwagner I dunno. Talk to jdavidb, he's dug into the guts of that problem. I just know the symptoms, & when we see them, we have him run his script. 20:41 owen No, they're randomly large numbers (should be 32, 33, 34, 35, 36, 37) 20:40 jwagner So do you have 230+ holds on that title? Are these the "right" priority numbers? 20:39 owen jwagner: Here's an interesting data point: the "priority" number in the database for all those "1" priority holds looks like this: 141, 209, 210, 227, 235, 237 20:37 wizzyrea doh 20:37 * owen is going to guess "Nobody" :P 20:36 gmcharlt random question - does anybody know who answers info@koha.org 20:35 jwagner I don't know that he's ever figured out what causes it. 20:35 owen Could be, I thought it happened infrequently but persistently 20:35 jwagner Possibly, although our migrations were from other systems entirely (Dynix, Horizon, etc.). I'd think Koha-to-Koha would be a lot cleaner. 20:34 wizzyrea ohh, probably has something to do with your move maybe? 20:34 owen jwagner: We have just migrated (although it was really more like an upgrade, no_vendor_lockin++ ) 20:34 jwagner Sometimes during normal ops, but rarely 20:33 owen No 20:33 jwagner The times we've seen it were not very long after a migration, trying to shoehorn alien hold data into Koha tables 20:33 wizzyrea or no? 20:33 wizzyrea my peeps tell me they haven't seen your problem.. you are indep branches? 20:32 owen Right, exactly. 20:32 jwagner That sounds similar to what his does, but I don't know specifics. I think it resets priorities based on the date/timestamp 20:32 owen Our old script would clean up that kind of thing and undo any changes the staff had made to hold priorities 20:32 jwagner It's not always multiples of priority 1, we've seen multiples of priority 14 or whatever. 20:31 wizzyrea lemme ask and get back to you 20:31 wizzyrea :) 20:31 wizzyrea but I finally got it 20:31 wizzyrea it wouldn't load 20:31 owen wizzyrea: Can't see my screenshot? Why? 20:31 wizzyrea I don't think we've seen that no 20:31 jwagner The problem is that there are multiple holds all with a priority of 1, right? 20:30 wizzyrea we're really close to your version 20:30 wizzyrea bah I can't see your screenshot 20:30 jwagner No, he just runs it when we see a problem. Check with him tomorrow for details. 20:30 owen jwagner: A script that runs nightly? We used to have one that we used when we hosted our own install of 2.x 20:29 jwagner The holds queue seems to get itself knotted up somehow. 20:29 jwagner roughly the same as our working one then. We've seen it occasionally, and jdavidb has a script to clean it up. 20:29 pianohacker hello 20:29 owen 3.01.00.061 20:28 jwagner owen, what version? 20:28 owen Am I alone in seeing this kind of thing? http://zivotdesign.com/examples/holds-priority-problem.png 20:25 wizzyrea but I will wait for your no doubt much more artistic rendering tomorrow 20:25 wizzyrea owen: I was going to color match it to the header but I just hadn't gotten there 20:20 wizzyrea am for that 20:20 wizzyrea I 20:20 wizzyrea okies 20:19 owen wizzyrea, I'm going to send you an alternative to that koha logo in the green box as soon as I have time. Tomorrow prob'ly 20:19 wizzyrea it makes me feel unhappy 20:19 wizzyrea OH OH then I'll fix it 20:18 * owen would agree 20:18 wizzyrea I'm feeling a bit stabbity about text-transform: uppercase 20:18 wizzyrea I was gonna say, owen, if you have suggestions about the site I'm happy to hear them :) 20:18 braedon_ ahh, beautiful alignment. all is right with the world 20:17 braedon_ pianohacker++ 20:17 braedon_ wizzyrea++ 20:17 wizzyrea he made some tweaks last night 20:17 braedon_ wooo! 20:17 wizzyrea for the record, pianohacker++ for helping with the CSS 20:16 wizzyrea braedon_: I fixed your questions/comments peeve :) 20:13 braedon_ ooo, awesome 20:13 owen http://www.quirksmode.org/css/selection.html 20:13 * owen learns of selection styles from the koha-community.org stylesheet 20:10 wizzyrea I like the mibbit widget, it makes connecting easy, and no more CGI-blah blah nonsense :P 20:07 nengard k - logging off - i have submitted a couple patches and updated the documentation a bit - tomorrow a lot more documentation updates - as long as I don't find other things to patch :) 20:06 wizzyrea :) 20:06 wizzyrea owen: do you like that trick I did? 20:06 nengard hehe 20:06 owen Sorry, couldn't resist. I've never tried mibbit before :) 20:06 nengard can't type either - can you tell my 8 hour work day is done and i'm totally fried? 20:06 nengard or -- who the heck was that?? :) 20:06 nengard how the heck was that???? 20:05 wizzyrea lol! 20:05 the_eye_doctor Hi, is there a nengard here? I'm here for your appointment 20:05 wizzyrea sok 20:05 nengard thanks & sorry 20:05 wizzyrea :) 20:05 nengard going blind 20:04 nengard OH BOY! 20:04 wizzyrea Connect through Mibbit 20:04 wizzyrea Kohaphiles of all types can be found on our real-time chat IRC channel. Point your favorite IRC client at irc.katipo.co.nz and join #koha or use a web based client like Mibbit. 20:04 wizzyrea IRC (real-time chat) 20:04 wizzyrea uh, are you sure? 20:04 nengard wizzyrea -this page is missing the IRC info (address and such) http://koha-community.org/support/free-support/ 20:04 gmcharlt you_all++ 20:03 magnus will cheer from the sidelines 20:01 * chris_n will be there as much as possible too 19:59 * jwagner looks innocent.... 19:57 * jdavidb will be here, but there's no tellin' what sort of things might interrupt me *participating* 19:57 gmcharlt did you think I would refuse? ;) 19:56 gmcharlt :) 19:56 hdl_laptop And I would like our team to participate 19:56 wizzyrea mine too 19:56 nengard moved on my calendar to weds the 10th 19:56 hdl_laptop next thursday i cannot 19:55 gmcharlt ok, Wednesday it is 19:55 hdl_laptop (/me reading back logs) 19:55 hdl_laptop for bugsqushing session 19:55 hdl_laptop gmcharlt: wednesday could be good. 19:55 wizzyrea hmmmm 19:55 owen wizzyrea: You can export a range of biblionumbers 19:55 wizzyrea which is smallish 19:54 wizzyrea not so good for my dev virtualbox 19:54 wizzyrea owen: the exports are huge, in the 10-12GB range :/ 19:54 chris_n I'd love to see several size/configurations of test data available to devs 19:54 owen wizzyrea can't you steal an export from one of your libraries? Or is for more than internal use? 19:53 nengard and if someon ehas really good data- i'd love it!!! 19:53 chris_n but with little success 19:53 nengard wizzyrea i don't know if mine is really good ... but i'll share if no one else has really good data ;) 19:53 * chris_n has whined for that for a long time 19:53 wizzyrea bibs/items/patrons 19:52 wizzyrea anybody have a really good set of test data that they'd share 19:50 jdavidb jwagner, I can probably get your test-monster up and breathing before the weekend. 19:50 nengard I'll be here 19:50 nengard it's on my calendar! 19:49 gmcharlt ok, I'll propose next Thursday for the bug squash 19:48 wizzyrea dangit now I want pizza. 19:48 nengard heh 19:48 wizzyrea how did you know? 19:48 wizzyrea virtual pizza is my favorite. 19:48 wizzyrea wait... 19:48 wizzyrea yesssss 19:47 gmcharlt wizzyrea: I'll email you all the pizza you can eat 19:47 wizzyrea :) 19:47 wizzyrea j/k j/k 19:47 wizzyrea is there pizza? 19:47 Colin sure thing 19:47 wizzyrea yes for me too 19:47 owen Yes for me 19:47 nengard always 19:46 gmcharlt would a weekday be better? 19:46 owen gmcharlt: The spirit is willing, but the family will probably prevent 19:46 jwagner I'm not at that level yet except for one demo site, so I can't be of much help :-( 19:46 wizzyrea could probably do some in the middle of the day, testing anyway. Otherwise kiddo's birthday :( 19:46 gmcharlt jwagner: yep, 3.2 19:45 nengard we're expecting a storm here so I'll be snowed in and can probably help in the AM - but I have to see my sister in a play in the PM 19:45 jwagner gmcharlt, you mean with 3.2? 19:43 gmcharlt counting noses - how many people would be up for a bug-squashing this Saturday on #koha? 19:35 braedon_ haha, good to know :) 19:35 wizzyrea :) 19:35 wizzyrea but it bugs me too, you're not alone in that 19:34 braedon_ ahh 19:34 wizzyrea this theme was H1 heavy, which drove me nuts. There's something about the h2 styles that makes it do that 19:33 wizzyrea will look at it here in a bit 19:33 wizzyrea yea, probably :) 19:32 braedon_ wizzyrea: just me being pedantic, but would it be possible to line up "Questions? Comments?" headings with the other text? It's hugging the wall, and keeps bugging me :) 19:30 chris_n cfouts++ 19:30 * jwagner thinks gmcharlt will need to patch Perl itself too 19:29 * gmcharlt submits patch to rename it to install.pll ;) 19:29 magnus gmcharlt: tiny typo in your email: ./install.pll ;-) 19:28 gmcharlt wizzyrea++ 19:28 wizzyrea aaand updated here: http://koha-community.org/download-koha/ 19:27 gmcharlt cfouts++ 19:26 owen cfouts++ also for helping us with our migration even though it was away from his employer 19:26 wizzyrea cfouts++ 19:25 wizzyrea cfouts is awesome 19:25 nengard got it 19:25 nengard ah 19:25 gmcharlt nope, but cfouts has been willing to stage the files 19:24 nengard ah so you have access to dowload.koha.org? good!! 19:24 gmcharlt nengard: that was only a fallback 19:24 chris_n ie. if one of the columns was mistyped in your csv, the script will still tell you it imported 13115 patrons ok 19:24 nengard gmcharlt weren't downloads going to be on koha-community? just wondering cause the links go to download.koha.org in your recent email 19:23 chris_n chobbs: great! However leaving one with the impression that their data imported successfully when in reality it did not is a problem 19:21 chobbs chris_n: good enough for me right now - importing 13115 patrons right now (but I blanked all the B_fields anyways) ;) 19:16 chris_n silent_fails-- 19:16 chris_n it does highlight a bug in or import_borrowers script: fields not imported should generate an error message passed back to the user 19:15 chris_n there's more to be told to that story than there is time atm :-\ 19:13 owen The truth comes out about LEK's enhancements ;) 19:12 chris_n and remembers having to change the case of the 'B' in his template due to work on LEK which changes it to lower case 19:12 * chris_n finds an incorrect case in his csv template 19:10 chobbs That did it. And curse Mac OS X for not including dos2unix in the shell :) 19:10 chris_n so it appears that the borrower.b_* fields do not get populated during a patron import 19:06 chobbs Grrr. Looks like my text editor didn't put proper ends-of-lines on the file. That would explain it... 19:02 Colin looks like the last batch of fixes before the alpha has broken a few steps in the ordering process 19:02 chobbs gmcharlt: 3.00.05 19:01 gmcharlt chobbs: what versin? 19:00 chobbs Hello all - anybody have a minute to help me troubleshoot a patron import error? I'm getting "Header row could not be parsed" despite the fact that my header row is an exact match for the example CSV. 18:58 jdavidb mmmm-hmm. Harrrrumph! 18:57 jwagner Remember our discussion of git commands last week? When I said I handled the complicated stuff by saying "Daaaavvvvviiiiiiiddddd"? 18:56 * jdavidb is gonna start charging jwagner when she does that. 18:56 jwagner heh heh heh 18:56 * jdavidb perks, seeing more work land in his lap. 18:56 chris_n hehe 18:55 * jwagner is sure jdavidb can manage that :-) 18:55 gmcharlt literally editing the patch is not likely to be swallowed by Git all that well 18:55 gmcharlt make that create a new branch, apply the patch to it, make a new commit, squash, then resubmit, and it would work better 18:55 jwagner That won't account for the staff side though -- that'll have to wait until I get a 3.2 updated system. 18:54 jwagner Hrmm. The branch I did that on got corrupted. I might just try editing the patch files directly & resending. 18:54 gmcharlt well because of the <TMPL thing and the cart-in-staff interface, cleaning it up now would be nice 18:53 jwagner Let me know if I should clean that one up now, or wait until after it's pushed. 18:52 gmcharlt they stay in the queue 18:52 jwagner gmcharlt, what happens with patches that have already been submitted? Do they stay in the queue? or need to be resubmitted? 18:51 owen We switched from <TMPL to <!-- TMPL because of the way the template processor works for translations 18:50 jwagner I think I was copying some existing syntax, so if that was outdated.... 18:50 owen jwagner: I didn't look through the whole patch, it just caught my eye 18:49 jwagner owen, on the TMPL_VAR NAME calls, is that just in the js sections? 18:44 munin 04Bug http://bugs.koha.org/cgi-bin/bugzilla3/show_bug.cgi?id=3854 minor, PATCH-Sent, ---, nengard@gmail.com, ASSIGNED, References to Budget Period should be Root Budget 18:44 nengard I have submitted a follow up patch to bug 3854 -- i hope I got all of the places this needed to be changed. If not, let me know or feel free to make edits of your own :) 18:44 owen I see wizzyrea, thanks 18:44 wizzyrea instead of home/work/mobile 18:43 * chris_n thinks the db schema could still use some cleanup 18:43 wizzyrea http://screencast.com/t/OTgzMzk1NTA for example 18:42 owen wizzyrea: I'd like to see a screenshot of that 18:42 wizzyrea using jquery :P 18:42 wizzyrea chris_n: fwiw, NEKLS hides all that stuff in favor or primary/alternate 18:42 owen chris_n I think it's "b" as in the main contact info is "a" 18:41 chris_n and why is there no "Business contact" section on the edit borrowers screen? 18:41 jwagner I've attached the two patch files to the bug report 18:41 owen I do notice that your original patch uses the deprecated tag-like TMPL syntax, "<TMPL_VAR NAME>" instead of <!-- TMPL_VAR NAME -->" 18:41 chris_n so is the 'b' in borrowers.b_* for "business" and if so, where is the "Alternate Contact" info stored? 18:40 owen I do see your submission on the patches list but I don't think it made it in 18:39 jwagner There's a whole bunch of stuff that will need to be updated for the new version. I'm hoping this one snuck in with all the other stuff so I don't have to do it :-) 18:39 * owen thinks it's a great practice to always attach your patch to the bug report 18:39 owen jwagner: You might also want to revise the patch now that the staff client has a cart too 18:38 jwagner to even? 18:38 jwagner Looks like I didn't attach the patches to the bug report -- want me too? 18:38 gmcharlt owen: sleep-patching is fine - makes you even more productive 18:38 * owen doesn't seem to remember much these days, what with my sleep-patching and all 18:37 jwagner I did three separate patches, but the third replaced the second. You helped me with the js files, remember owen? 18:37 jdavidb jwagner++ , even though I'm having to install that patch on a bunch of systems... 18:37 munin 04Bug http://bugs.koha.org/cgi-bin/bugzilla3/show_bug.cgi?id=3719 enhancement, PATCH-Sent, ---, jwagner@ptfs.com, ASSIGNED, Create syspref to allow sites to rename OPAC Cart 18:37 jwagner Bug 3719 18:36 owen jwagner: Is your patch also attached to a bug report? 18:35 jwagner I sent it in quite a while back, don't know if it's in the new 3.2 version or not. 18:34 * owen is looking forward to jwagner's patch so the issue can be moot 18:31 * owen is perplexed by the .aspx extensions, wonders if they did that to match an existing site 18:31 owen schuster: that opac example is running 2.x 18:30 owen chris_n: It was book bag before, but "Cart" was chosen for 3.0 because it was thought that users would understand the metaphor because of experience with e-commerce sites. 18:27 cait jdavidb: no problem, I did not configure our installation for icu, so I m glad what I know helped a bit 18:27 jdavidb cait: better. not optimally, but that's progress. Thanks a bunch! 18:26 nengard might be the most files i've edited for one patch 18:26 cait jdavidb: so its working better now? 18:26 * nengard trying to keep track of all of the occurences of budget, fund and root budget :) 18:26 jwagner I just wish it would be as easy to replace the shopping cart image. I think there are two or three different versions of it; I couldn't track them all down. 18:24 * chris_n thinks of wal-mart when he sees the word 'cart' ;-) 18:24 chris_n very nice 18:24 jwagner chris_n, I don't think it's made it into head yet, but I did a patch to create a syspref so sites could rename the Cart to whatever they want. One of my sites calls it Saved Items. 18:22 jdavidb cait: undoing fuzzy had the biggest impact. I'm getting results identical to kw=foo when I just enter foo. (which is not even *close* to the results that I get on the production instance for just entering "foo". 18:22 chris_n and thought nengard's header was a nice addition 18:21 * chris_n loves to see how others have customized their opac 18:20 chris_n 'book bag' sounds much more relevant than 'cart' 18:20 wizzyrea I'm for helping you avoid controversy >.> 18:19 nengard it's not a big deal - it seemed to be partly controversial 18:19 wizzyrea though I guess we don't want to make it too fully featured as yet 18:19 wizzyrea on the new site 18:19 wizzyrea nengard: I'm sure we could find a place to do what you were doing 18:18 nengard thanks - don't need them now that the newsletter will be on the new koha site 18:18 schuster nengard - still looking for different opacs? I just found this one http://dallas.sikhlibrary.org/opac-main.aspx 18:17 cait perhaps field weighting - I dont remember which combination worked and cant access administration from here 18:11 jdavidb okay. I'll take a swing at that. Thanks, cait. 18:11 cait query stemming fuzzy autotruncate 18:11 jdavidb Any particular ones to look at? 18:11 cait its worth a try :) 18:11 cait jdavidb: we had an issue with some of them and icu indexing 18:10 cait jdavidb: try to turn off sysprefs 17:53 jdavidb (title searches work the way I'd expect with diacritics, even. Very cool) 17:53 jdavidb Still wrestling with icu indexing; I stopped Zebra, reindexed, and restarted. now, author, title searches work, but a general search in opac or staff returns nothing, every time. 17:51 * jdavidb is wondering if he's losing his mind. 17:46 munin schuster: The operation succeeded. 17:46 schuster @later tell chris - we need to talk about ncip and what it would take to complete that for Koha and Evergreen 17:41 nengard or i can use that one for my book site :) 17:41 nengard hehe 17:41 nengard i know - what about the one i use on the newsletter site? that's green too :) 17:37 wizzyrea :) 17:37 wizzyrea aww, but it's so PRETTY and appropriately koha green! 17:35 nengard wizzyrea - feel free to change it :) hehe so it doesn't look like i'm copying you :) 17:35 nengard chris_n++ 17:35 nengard thank you chris_n for helping me with the patron card tool - now you can all benefit from what I learned: http://wiki.koha.org/doku.php?id=en:documentation:tutorials:patroncardcreator 17:31 wizzyrea owen: that theme found me, I didn't find it. I really don't have much to do with the awesomeness of its design (re:koha-community.org) 17:22 nengard chris_n giving me a tutorial on how to use the patron card creator so i can document it 17:22 nengard i believe i already have a bug assigned to me for it 17:22 nengard okay - i will tackle this as soon as i'm learning about the new patron card creator 17:21 gmcharlt +1 17:21 nengard I do like the idea - just confirming that i understand right 17:20 nengard and the one place it read 'sub-budget' i call it 'child fund' ? 17:20 munin 04Bug http://bugs.koha.org/cgi-bin/bugzilla3/show_bug.cgi?id=4000 normal, P5, ---, nahuel.angelinetti@biblibre.com, NEW, Budgets table doesn't show tree view for sub-budgets 17:20 owen Bug 4000 17:20 nengard and then all occurences of Budget to Fund 17:20 nengard okay - so i change all occurences of Root Budget or Budget Period to Budget 17:20 wizzyrea makes sense to me 17:19 wizzyrea +1 17:19 gmcharlt is everybody on #koha cool with that? 17:19 gmcharlt ok, so to summarize so far - Budget::Fund (and children Funds to the nth degree) 17:19 owen gmcharlt: There is supposed to be a tree control but it's not working, IIRC 17:18 gmcharlt or just adding a parent fund/budget column to acqbudgets 17:18 gmcharlt and changing the fund list to a tree control or something would make hierarchical arrangements more clear 17:17 gmcharlt shouldn't break anything 17:17 gmcharlt so yeah, Root Budget => Budget ; Budget => Fund ; 'Sub-Budget' to language about creating child funds 17:17 sekjal I think have just two entities, the budget (which is set by some kind of external funding source like the Board of Trustees) and a fund (which is a chunk of that money that the library sets aside for something specific) 17:17 gmcharlt nengard: 'sub budget' isn't a distinct concept as such, so just renaming the links to 'Child Fund' or 'Subsidary Fund' or the like wouldn't affect functionality 17:14 nengard are you confused yet? 17:14 nengard so - the question is can i rename sub budget to fund and budget to fund and root budget to budget? 17:11 nengard the language i see on the pages now is Root Budget::Budget:: Sub budget -- we need to replace those bits of language - but i do like budget::fund::fund .. .etc 17:10 gmcharlt maybe just saying budget::fund::fund::fund with the explanation that a fund can have a parent would be sufficient 17:10 sekjal my understanding is it's arbitrary. once you have a root budget, you can subdivide it any way you like 17:10 gmcharlt if a library wants to do library system budget::branch fund::branch juvenile fund::branch YA graphic novels, for example 17:09 gmcharlt is there anything that actually preventrs one from having more than three levels of funds? 17:09 gmcharlt one thing - I' 17:09 sekjal budget lines are good 17:09 sekjal ah, good point, gmcharlt 17:08 gmcharlt -1 to allocations, which are more commonly used to describe influxes of money into a fund 17:08 nengard that makes logical sense to me - i can see it graphically 17:08 nengard owen i like that 17:08 owen (adjective) funds::budgets::budget lines ? 17:07 sekjal so, perhaps the hierarchy could be - (adjective) funds::budgets::allocations ? 17:06 wizzyrea (the word funds looks strange to me today) 17:06 wizzyrea Available Funds? 17:06 jwagner Sharon, reserves? group by biblio number (join to biblio if you want the title itself) 17:06 wizzyrea Total Moolah 17:05 wizzyrea ooh, I like that 17:05 sekjal what about "incoming budget" or "incoming funds"? that indicates that it's top-level, and (I think) sounds more user-centric 17:04 slef bbl 17:04 Sharon SQL question - if want a count of the number of holds on a title, what table and field would that be in? I should know this, but can't remember. 17:04 slef software.coop resells gandi.net who also fund debian and others 17:04 slef network solutions were a pain to transfer away from last time we tried 17:04 fredericd hello 17:03 * wizzyrea has poked around in a lot of registrars, thanks to KLOW 17:03 wizzyrea their controls aren't bad either 17:03 wizzyrea a lot of libraries use network solutions 17:02 wizzyrea yea, you do have to fight through a lot of cruft 17:02 rhcl godaddy = annoyance factor (email, trying to sell hosting services) 17:02 wizzyrea imo 17:02 wizzyrea having them host the records is a breeze 17:02 wizzyrea i actually like the godaddy DNS controls 17:02 wizzyrea but it's mostly historical 17:02 wizzyrea NEKLS usually goes through directnic 17:01 owen I love that nobody knows what this stuff should be called. 17:01 nengard rhc1 why not godaddy? 17:01 rhcl wizzy: do (have you) use(d) any particular registrar for domain names you could recommend (over godaddy)? 17:00 nengard I like Source Budget too - like the source of the money - but the complaint in the email list is it sounds like developereese 17:00 owen nengard: FWIW I prefer Source Budget of those options, but we don't even use acquisitions :P 16:59 nengard i tried ... time for a nap :0 hehehe 16:59 * jwagner thinks that IS my target :-) 16:58 wizzyrea lol STAY ON TARGET 16:58 nengard which one should it be for the top most budget? 16:58 nengard Okay we have Source Budget, Main Budget, Budget Period --- any preferences/complaints/confusions? 16:58 jwagner How about a fork that says Give::jwagner::Lots::Money? 16:58 wizzyrea for god's sake don't fork and have Spend::Obscene::Amounts::Money 16:58 cait :) 16:55 jwagner But then you could have variants for Some, Little, No money! 16:55 nengard do not add to the confusion!! :) 16:55 nengard LOL 16:54 jwagner What about a new approach? Spend::Lots::Money?? 16:54 nengard head is spinning from the acq budget naming emails!! 16:48 schuster Yes that was what I was thinking of owen - I may get my local guru to look at it to see if we can at least locally apply it after 3.2. 16:47 owen From mhafen: "These patches probably won't apply against the current code base, but I've got a git repo where they are current: git://development.washk12.org/koha on the WCSD branch." 16:47 wizzyrea where if you put the ding in the wrong place, it might be meaningless 16:46 wizzyrea well, I might be for that... I was thinking of schuster's problem where things appear to get checked in but don't actually get the status changed >.> 16:46 owen wizzyrea: You mean a continuous loud techno soundtrack isn't the sound you were interested in? 16:45 wizzyrea though, they only work if they actually have a bearing on something actually happening 16:45 wizzyrea NEKLS is interested in sounds too 16:45 wizzyrea maybe 16:44 wizzyrea 3.2.1 :) 16:44 wizzyrea i know there's stuff on bugzilla about it 16:44 owen Yes, and he had a public git repo for the work, but didn't prepare a patch that worked with HEAD I think 16:43 nengard didn't someone get sounds working on their system - thought i read that somewhere 16:37 * jdavidb hands schuster a box of crackers, to go with his stew. 16:37 * owen has some hope for HTML5 16:37 owen All the patches I saw were flawed in some way, partly because audio handling in browsers is so poor 16:37 schuster schuster goes off grumbling to sit in a corner and stew 16:36 schuster well phewey - I thought we were getting audible que's when there was a problem.... 16:36 owen There are some old patches floating around, but nothing was submitted that worked with HEAD 16:35 owen The never were 16:35 owen schuster: Nope 16:34 schuster gmcharlt - are sounds in circulation still part of 3.2? 16:34 sekjal jwagner: thanks! thought that might be the case. I guess I'll wait until overnight to run it, then 16:33 jwagner sekjal, the catalog will not be searchable until the reindex is complete. 16:29 sekjal if I do a full zebra rebuild, does searching in the system go down for that time, or will the old index still be used until the new one is complete? 16:27 jdavidb hm...soundtrack. (wish I hadn't left my iPod at home today..) 16:24 jwagner On the other hand, I have a nice soundtrack to the day, which isn't feasible at work. 16:24 jwagner Harrumph! 16:23 jdavidb Having a near-perfect commute, while jwagner is stuck at home, is plenty of reason for me to harrrumph! 16:23 jwagner I'm gonna have to go out & shovel a path to the garage soon.... 16:23 jwagner Besides, 6-8 inches of new snow on top what was already there is enough of a reason for harrumphing. 16:22 jwagner gmcharlt, not necessary, we'll harrumph for any/no reason. 16:22 nengard hehe 16:22 * owen is still giddy from yesterday's excitement 16:22 jdavidb :D 16:22 * gmcharlt starts working on a munin plugin to elicit more harumphs from jwagner and jdavidb 16:22 nengard aren't we all in rare form today :) 16:21 jwagner It's searching for them? 16:21 owen I blame C4::Search for chris's tonsil troubles 16:21 jwagner Humph 16:21 munin jwagner: Error: "welcome" is not a valid command. 16:21 jwagner munin, welcome back 16:21 jdavidb woot! 16:21 munin gmcharlt: Quote #26: "<chris> as an aside C4::Search makes my brain hurt" (added by jdavidb at 05:21 PM, August 22, 2009) 16:21 gmcharlt @quote random 16:12 owen Sorry hilongo I'm not sure what to suggest if you've got circulation rules set up already. I don't have an installation of 3.0.5 to test on 16:05 slef hilongo: can't you place one on "Next Available"? 16:05 owen hilongo: do you have circulation rules set up? 16:05 hilongo Another question on reserves ... I got it working... but now, if I want to place a hold on a chequed out item Koha tells me that I cannot do that, because there are no copies available ... ?? any idea about this? 16:04 jwagner He's been sick for a week or so, complaining about a sore throat. 16:04 slef I thought it was his child 16:04 slef I didn't realise it was chris 16:04 jwagner gmcharlt, it was the 3.2 alpha release that did it! 16:03 nengard LOL 16:03 gmcharlt besides, he doesn't get to run away from being 3.4 RM that easily ;) 16:03 nengard i follow way too many people on twitter - i miss too much coming from my friends :( 16:03 jdavidb gmcharlt++ ; good find! 16:03 gmcharlt http://twitter.com/ranginui/status/8579869999 16:02 gmcharlt he tweeted that as well 16:01 jdavidb I seem to recall him saying that his doctor was impressed at how swollen his tonsils were a day or two ago, but I can't find that in the logs. 16:01 jwagner Any kind of infection requiring surgery is serious :-( Fingers and toes crossed.... 16:01 nengard a teen 16:01 nengard owen - that's good - except that chris is an adult not an teen.... 16:01 gmcharlt here's hoping 16:00 owen Which sounds like it's not too serious. 16:00 owen chris pointed to this link: http://www.massgeneral.org/children/adolescenthealth/articles/aa_quinsy.aspx 15:59 jdavidb I seem to remember....'sec, nengard. 15:59 nengard jdavidb - oh no!!!! not more info?? 15:59 nengard i got the 500 error before installing and then again after installing 15:58 chris_n np... was that before or after the 500 error 15:58 nengard didn't want to have a big paste here 15:58 nengard i sent you the error i got in a PM 15:57 chris_n nengard: was the last install successful? 15:57 jdavidb wizzyrea and I both apparently just spotted it on twitter that chris is in the hospital. 15:57 chris_n ? 15:56 jdavidb RT @ranginui (chris): admitted to hospital operating in the morning 15:56 chris_n I probably need to add some lines to the Makefile to alert the installer 15:56 nengard chris_n - still getting a 500 error :( 15:55 chris_n k 15:55 chris_n that is the perl interface for the Graphics Magick stuff 15:55 nengard chris_n doing now - but also reopened bug since the module isnt' listed as required on the about page 15:54 chris_n nengard: install libgraphics-magick-perl also 15:53 wizzyrea nengard++ 15:53 nengard added the newsletter 15:53 wizzyrea sorry to hijack your theme lol 15:53 nengard emailed you to say so :) 15:53 wizzyrea sweet 15:53 nengard yes 15:53 wizzyrea nengard: did you get in ok? 15:52 nengard okay - got a question - i have this error: "Can't locate Graphics/Magick.pm" but I thought I installed that module yesterday - can someone tell me where to get that module? chris_n said I can't do cpan - so I did apt-get install 15:45 nengard LOL 15:45 owen nengard I've got a question for you when you finish, and I'm sure I'll remember what it is by then. 15:44 nengard :) 15:44 nengard owen - working with chris_n found the problem and submitting a patch shortly 15:39 owen nengard: Are you trying a manual merge? 15:36 schuster slef - iphone app new version 1-30-10 15:35 schuster You can download the DCPL iPhone code which is licensed under a Creative Commons Attribution-Noncommercial-Share Alike 3.0 United States License, but largely unsupported. 15:33 owen slef: If it's on the App Store, then they must have submitted it to Apple and gotten Apple's approval. That's a big reason for not choosing to go the app route. 15:32 hilongo Bye munin ... see you soon! :) 15:32 slef owen: I'm not up with the rules of apps and App store. :) 15:32 slef schuster: it's a Noncommercial licence, which is non-FOSS and largely anti-cooperative 15:31 owen Must be an app, they link to the App store 15:31 slef schuster: we've developed some webapps for iphone but not a koha. Is that an app or a webapp? 15:30 schuster It is released as creative commons code. 15:30 schuster has anyone seen this? Has anyone developed for the iphone??? http://dclibrarylabs.org/projects/iphone/ 15:30 gmcharlt hi folks - munin will be going away for 15-30 minutes while I upgrade my VPS 15:29 slef nengard: manual merge time for you :-/ 15:28 slef Published Welcome to Koha-Community.org http://www.news.software.coop/welcome-to-koha-community-org/886/ 15:28 nengard see - hates me 15:27 chris_n ouch 15:26 nengard chris_n - my system hates me :( --- error on rebasing: http://koha.pastebin.com/m5f3269a5 15:25 slef From Virtual Entity of Relevant Acronyms (Version 1.9, June 2002) [vera]: CLI Command Line Interpreter / Interface (OS) 15:25 nengard no prob 15:25 chris_n sorry :-( 15:25 nengard hehe 15:25 nengard ahh :) 15:25 gmcharlt from the command line 15:25 nengard 'form the cli'? 15:24 nengard rebasing now 15:24 chris_n and try running the installer/data/mysql/patroncards_upgrade.pl script form the cli 15:24 chris_n then git checkout -b pcardstest 15:23 * nengard laughing at slef 15:23 chris_n then fetch and rebase the master 15:23 slef LLEK - it's like Koha, but with your sysadmin's fingers broken? 15:23 chris_n git checkout master 15:23 chris_n nengard: try this 15:23 chris_n http://git.koha.org/cgi-bin/gitweb.cgi?p=Koha;a=commitdiff;h=2767b6ff1a9324f42f095518ce2c385aeab99c4b 15:23 nengard i feel like i should wipe and start all over again :( 15:22 nengard hmmm 15:22 chris_n for some reason it appears to still exist in your repo 15:22 chris_n ok, it is the USING BTREE issue which hdl_laptop caught and patched 15:20 chris_n your ok 15:20 nengard :( 15:20 chris_n om 15:19 nengard I fetched this morning 15:19 nengard what???? how is that possible??? 15:19 nengard after running that I still can't access the patron card pages I mentioned yesterday - but then again if version 106 is the patron card db updates - that's why - my install skipped them 15:19 chris_n hmmm... it appears those version numbers don't jive with the current updatedatabase.pl 15:19 nengard and that was me trying to upgrade my db - the paste 15:18 nengard yes 15:17 chris_n nengard: are you running the latest version? ie the alpha? 15:16 * chris_n looks at nengard's paste 15:15 * jwagner tucks hands into pockets.... 15:15 chris_n look out! ;-) 15:15 jwagner It's catching??? 15:14 chris_n :-) 15:14 chris_n it all started with pianohacker's finger getting broken 15:14 jwagner That's good. 15:14 chris_n nearly all better... just awaiting the new nail to grow out and all of the feeling to return 15:13 jwagner chris_n, your children do have a problem with their hands/fingers, don't they? How's your son doing, by the way? 15:13 * chris_n 's oldest daughter got her mothers engagement ring stuck on her (daughter's) finger... :-P 15:12 gmcharlt slef: shouldn't be too hard to do - good thing to try to add for the beta 15:11 slef make LANG=en:fr:... install # would be pretty cool, but I don't know if we can 15:10 gmcharlt but ask people to prefer downloading the former 15:10 gmcharlt slef: yes - I think I'm going to release two tarballs - one with no translations expanded, and the traditional full one 15:10 slef gmcharlt: can we cut it up somehow, or generate translations from Makefile*? 15:08 nengard chris_n no prob- just want you to know I still don't know why I can't access it or get the DB to update - and that's why it's not documented ... but then again I still need help learniing how to use it before documenting it anyway :) 15:07 gmcharlt wheeee - 3.2-alpha tarball with all translations expanded coming in at 235M 15:07 * chris_n is overrun atm :-P 15:07 chris_n nengard: om 15:04 gmcharlt passable 15:03 slef How's it going for anyone else? 15:02 slef I could have done without this today. 15:02 slef hi all 15:02 slef as in, backup copies of them. 15:02 slef Colin: I've just spent an hour sifting backups for corrupted files. 15:01 gmcharlt hilongo: you can go to http://git.koha.org, navigate to the proper file (in the 3.0.x branch), and download it (the blbo link for th efile) 15:00 hilongo I'm having some problems with holds in 3.1.5 looping forever whrn called from staff interface... I saw in the mailing list that request.pl is fixed in git repo ... how can I get a copy of that file without installing git?? 14:57 nengard is that the patron card db updates 14:57 nengard looks like 106 is being skipped 14:57 nengard http://koha.pastebin.com/m2f69a495 14:57 nengard I did get this error --- 14:56 nengard chris_n anything? 14:56 nengard so i'm out of ideas here 14:56 nengard bleh - okay everything works - but patron cards still don't 14:55 Colin nothing ever goes wrong on backed up systems 14:55 * owen heads down to the dungeon to talk to our cataloger 14:55 hdl_laptop Colin++ 14:54 Colin nengard: do a backup first 14:54 nengard cool 14:54 nengard ah 14:54 owen It's still there 14:54 nengard owen i can do it with mysql 14:54 owen admin/systempreferences.pl 14:53 owen nengard: You'll have to manually go to the old system preferences page 14:53 nengard hdl_laptop with the new sys prefs interface is that info still in the db? 14:53 hdl_laptop set version in systempreferences to 3.0100000 14:53 nengard Colin - tried that didn't work ... not sure why 14:53 hdl_laptop nengard: you can trick that 14:52 Colin nengard: If you know what the missing change is you can get the sql from updatedatabase.pl and apply it directly in mysql 14:52 nengard anyone else with a tip I'm missing? 14:49 kf dentist appointment now... bye all! 14:49 kf you could change your version number setting in sys prefs - but not sure if this is a good idea 14:48 nengard Is there a way to trick the system into thinking it's an older version so that it will run some db updates that I somehow missed? I don't want to wipe my db and start over (losing all my content) - but none of the patron card things work cause I missed some db updates apparently - and who knows what else I missed 14:48 hilongo hello everybody ... :) 14:44 jdavidb I've restarted zebra for this instance, but there are other instances running on the same server. 14:41 hdl_laptop looks ok 14:38 jdavidb itty bitty chain. 14:38 jdavidb </icu_chain> 14:38 jdavidb <casemap rule="l"/> 14:38 jdavidb <display/> 14:38 jdavidb <transform rule="NFC"/> 14:38 jdavidb <transform rule="[:Nonspacing Mark:] Remove"/> 14:38 jdavidb <transform rule="NFD"/> 14:38 jdavidb <transform rule="[[:WhiteSpace:][:Punctuation:]] Remove"/> 14:38 jdavidb <tokenize rule="l"/> 14:38 jdavidb <transform rule="[:Control:] Any-Remove"/> 14:37 jdavidb <icu_chain locale="en"> 14:35 hdl_laptop what is your icu chain now ? 14:35 hdl_laptop quite strange 14:33 * jdavidb shrugs. I'm not seeing any errors in the logs...just not getting any results. happily returning zero records, every time. 14:32 hdl_laptop jdavidb nothing more 14:29 owen But there they were. Okay. 14:28 * owen didn't think he had 14:27 gmcharlt owen: if you had installed a preview of that icon set, remove it first, then try rebasing 14:26 owen Got that when trying to rebase 14:26 owen "error: Untracked working tree file 'koha-tmpl/intranet-tmpl/prog/img/itemtypeimg/sfdicons/Book.png' would be overwritten by merge. could not detach HEAD" 14:25 gmcharlt once the dust settles in a day or two, chris and I will work out something for handling enh patches destined for 3.4 14:25 owen Sure 14:24 gmcharlt just bugfixes 14:24 gmcharlt owen: no, patch against head, just don't expect enhancements to be applied to HEAD 14:24 owen gmcharlt: Can you clarify for me? Is there anything special we should do with our commits for 3.2? 14:20 chris_n tnx 14:20 chris_n Colin: ok, it appears that the confusion on my end was isolated to one topic branch 14:17 jdavidb zebraidx -V returns "Using ICU" at the end of its' output (we're on 2.0.34, Debian Etch, and yaz-icu package is installed.) 14:15 Colin chris_n: I think db update 65 and 68 duplicated some steps 14:14 chris_n Colin: ahh, I see... tnx 14:13 jdavidb I made the changes to the default.idx file that are in your patch...is there something else that needs doing? 14:12 jdavidb hdl_laptop: When I use yaz-client to search, It shows that it worked fine, but returned no records. 14:11 hdl_laptop mmm... maybe you have not reset your base between no icu and use of icu... 14:09 Colin the column that should be added wasn't 14:09 jdavidb When it's doing the reindexing? Nothing unusual there; looks like any other indexing I've done. 14:09 Colin chris_n: Just took a look.. I think some of the add columns are in other upgrades. I'm sure we took some out because it caused a failure and 14:08 hdl_laptop jdavidb: what does zebraidx tells you ? 14:07 chris_n Colin: how about you? 14:06 jdavidb the file sizes in zebradb/biblios/register are large, which makes me think it put *something* in there, but just can't get it back out again. 14:06 hdl_laptop chris_n: hands off for me 14:05 chris_n will do 14:05 gmcharlt yes, but please check with hdl_laptop and Colin - we need to stop patch-fighting on that update 14:05 chris_n the syntax is incorrect 14:05 chris_n so shall I reformat and resubmit? 14:04 gmcharlt chris_n: result of a merge of other work on updatedatabase.pl, I expect - 068 has been an utter mare's nest for some reason 14:04 jdavidb With the transliterate elements removed, it doesn't have anything controversial in it. I suspect that the encoding was screwy on some of the transliterate rules, which might have caused the error. But with them gone...is all easy ascii chars. 14:02 hdl_laptop It truly IS. 14:02 hdl_laptop jdavidb: have you cheched the encoding of your icu chain file ? 14:02 jdavidb Dern. The whole thing seems like such a good idea, if I could just make it work! 14:02 chris_n gmcharlt: see http://www.mail-archive.com/koha-patches@lists.koha.org/msg04094.html 14:01 hdl_laptop never. 14:01 chris_n only has part of the patch I submitted 14:01 chris_n this commit: http://git.koha.org/cgi-bin/gitweb.cgi?p=Koha;a=commit;h=6bbb5a0889648f07f87258a9fd8dac785831af66 14:01 chris_n gmcharlt: one other question 14:00 gmcharlt chris_n: pushed 14:00 jdavidb Ever seen that happen before? 13:57 jdavidb I suspect I missed something *real* obvious. 13:57 jdavidb This icu thing is giving me issues; When I reindexed, I got a bunch of "unknown element transliterate" errors. Just for kicks, I removed the transliterate elements from the icu.xml file, leaving just the transforms, and it finished, but nothing whatever is searchable. 13:57 kf hdl_laptop: thx for your email, will try at the weekend (or today after dentist...) 13:56 hdl_laptop jdavidb: yes 13:55 jdavidb hdl_laptop: ping? 13:54 owen You have my apologies for breaking something 13:54 owen I don't have any recollection of making that change! 13:52 nahuel héhé 13:52 chris_n lol :-) 13:52 * owen wonders if he has been sleep-patching 13:52 nahuel It seem you did :) 13:51 owen nahuel: I did? 13:51 nahuel so it doesn't work anymore 13:51 nahuel + -name => "mandatory", 13:51 nahuel - -name => "mandatory$i", 13:51 nahuel and you patched the file as : 13:51 nahuel + -name => "mandatory$i", 13:51 nahuel - -name => "mandatory", 13:50 nahuel I made a patch : 13:50 nahuel héhé 13:50 owen nahuel: ? 13:50 nengard Colin - I'm still waiting for some help on that from BibLibre - the budgets documentation :( 13:50 chris_n gmcharlt: patch resubmitted for opac-reserve.pl 13:49 nahuel and my previous patch 13:49 nahuel did you see your last patch on admin/marc_subfield_structure.pl on 3.0.x ? 13:49 owen Hi nahuel 13:49 nahuel :) 13:49 nahuel hi 13:49 nahuel owen, ! 13:46 nengard owen - it is perfect - so perfect I chose it for my book (http://opensource.web2learning.net) and now I have to change it :( 13:45 magnus ;-) 13:42 jwagner I'm sure there's a good argument against that logic. I'll find it when I wake up :-) 13:40 magnus jwagner: nah, it's 2 pm here now - perfect time for a morning if you ask me 13:39 jwagner magnus, but then my mornings would come in the middle of the night! 13:38 Ropuch hehe 13:36 magnus jwagner: move to europe, then you could have your morning in the middle of the day :-) 13:29 owen hdl_laptop or paul_p? Could we get a quick lesson on budgets? 13:28 Colin Any documentation on how budgets are supposed to work in 3.2? Seem unable to commit against them 13:28 owen It's a perfect WordPress theme for us 13:27 owen wizzyrea++ 13:27 owen I hearby nominate wizzyrea to take over Koha.org when it returns to the community's hands. koha-community.org looks fantastic. 13:25 chris_n heya owen 13:25 owen Hi all 13:24 * chris_n sees his bip proxy has finally gotten up for the day 13:24 * jwagner wanders off to get some caffeine 13:23 imp moin :) 13:23 gmcharlt good morning 13:22 jwagner But good morning anyway. 13:22 jwagner (And I'm working from home -- got to sleep in a bit....) 13:22 jwagner *grumble* why does morning has to come so EARLY in the day??? 13:21 chris_n g'morning 12:05 gmcharlt hdl_laptop: about? 11:19 magnus and congrats on the alpha ;-) 11:19 magnus good morning gmcharlt 11:12 kf good morning gmcharlt 11:03 gmcharlt good morning 10:23 kf chris ? 09:56 chris cool 09:56 magnus chris: thanks, i'll email you when i have figured out the text... ;-) 08:57 chris sure am 08:56 kf ? 08:56 kf chris: still aroundß 08:33 kf hi Amit 08:32 Amit heya Kf 08:30 kf the new site looks great today 08:30 kf koha-community++ 08:30 munin chris: The operation succeeded. 08:30 chris @later tell magnus do you want libriotech listed, email me what you want and ill put it up 08:29 kf of couse, thank you for thinking about us 08:29 chris just let me know anytinme 08:29 chris no problem 08:29 kf I will have to discuss it 08:29 kf not sure chris - our situation is a bit different from the other companies 08:28 kf hi chris 08:27 chris i had a question did you want BSZ listed here http://koha-community.org/support/paid-support/ 08:26 chris hiya kf 08:21 kf good morning :) 08:17 chris evening 07:04 Ropuch Morning #koha 07:04 pianohacker good night, all 06:45 nicomo hi Amit 06:44 Amit heya nicomo 06:07 Amit heya indradg 06:03 indradg wizzyrea: did the DNS hosting get sorted out? 06:02 indradg 05:02 Jo Good night all. Off home to thebambini 04:37 wizzyrea_ ok, going to whack virtual avatars with digital hammers. ttyl :) 04:24 wizzyrea_ that is all. 04:24 wizzyrea_ for the record: text-transform: uppercase is my mortal enemy. I hate it with the heat of a million suns. 04:08 Jo sterling work today folks 04:08 Jo see you Chris 04:08 * russ waves as he heads out the door 04:07 chris ok hometime 04:07 Jo waves at Russ to :) 04:07 Jo me: I'm a good Man? Wow - thank you Si. I'm taking it as high praise :) 04:06 braedon surprisingly... :P 04:06 gmcharlt my god, it's full of NZers! :) 04:05 si :-) 04:05 si you're a good man too 04:05 si hola jo 04:04 Jo Waves at Si 04:03 si good man 04:03 chris yep, he's been roped back in 04:03 russ aye 04:03 si just like old times 04:02 si did I see russ's name on the kohacon volunteers list 04:01 pianohacker bbl eggercise 04:01 richard lol 04:01 chris see even 04:01 chris you should russ's 04:01 russ lol 04:01 chris hehe 04:01 si chris's is as ugly as sin 04:01 si mines cute 04:00 russ 04:00 wizzyrea_ those are way cute children you guys got there 03:59 chris hehe 03:57 si "my dad could take your dad" 03:57 si heh, could be 03:56 chris its actually charlotte and atarau having a yell at each other ;) 03:55 si with me maintaining my anonymity, as per usual 03:55 * si guesses that Chris and Si putting the oar into LCA 03:54 si hey 03:54 gmcharlt bah! no humbug for you! ;) 03:54 si that's very modern 03:54 si http://sleeptalkinman.blogspot.com/ 03:54 chris thats the photo 03:54 si although I did enjoy the sleeptalkinman blog somebody directed me at the other day 03:54 chris si: http://photos.bigballofwax.co.nz/gallery2/main.php?g2_itemId=72265 03:53 wizzyrea_ can I get a humbug? 03:53 wizzyrea_ malarky! 03:53 chris heh 03:53 si crusty, even 03:53 si too old and crust for this web 2.0 malarky 03:52 Jo thought it was a privacy thin g .. 03:52 chris well actually to privacy savvy probably :) 03:52 chris yeah simon is too cool for facebook :) 03:52 pianohacker hi, Amit, Jo, brendan 03:52 Jo I'm pretty sutre that hairy fellow is actually Simon - not Rachel :) 03:51 chris id say that was 97% of it 03:51 Jo although I'm sure Laurel's good looks have a lot to do with it to? 03:51 Jo he makes beautiful babies 03:51 brendan that's a cute kid there chris 03:50 Jo hiya Amit 03:50 Amit heya pianohacker, Ropuch, Jo 03:50 Jo koha community in action - makes me feel all gooey inside 03:50 Jo I feel a blog post coming on about today; its been an extraordinary thing to watch 03:50 chris (laurel has been putting photos up) 03:50 chris http://www.facebook.com/photo.php?pid=3881399&id=507121749 03:49 chris its was about 2 days ago 03:49 Jo oh thats funny - wa sthat new years eve? 03:49 pianohacker A baby photo you can show atu 15 years from now without a "DaaaAAAAaaAd" 03:48 wizzyrea_ hehe that's cute 03:48 chris by 10pm im like this http://www.facebook.com/photo.php?pid=3881405&id=507121749 03:48 wizzyrea_ early for me (though I'm rarely online for koha now. Usually smashing digital avatars with a virtual hammer) 03:48 Jo oh thats alright then :) 03:48 Jo (I was looking for irc under community resources but found it under free support ... of course :) 03:47 pianohacker It's only 9:45 PM there, perfectly reasonable time of day 03:47 wizzyrea_ :) yea, it's only almost 10pm here 03:47 Jo Its ok - I found what I was looking for (you had it covered). Do you think you might try for some sleep today at all? 03:45 wizzyrea_ sup? 03:45 wizzyrea_ i am 03:44 Jo nw 03:42 Jo wizzyrea: you still about 03:42 Jo yes indeed. absolutely :) 03:41 chris whatcha reckon, would you be up for asking penny if she wants to do our keynote/opening speech? 03:40 Jo Chris: here now 03:40 brendan hi amit 03:40 Amit morning #koha 03:40 Amit hi brendan, chris, chris_n2 03:39 gmcharlt g'night, chris_n 03:39 brendan night 03:39 gmcharlt wizzyrea: heh - will no doubt feel that way anyway at the end of the flight 03:39 wizzyrea_ gnite 03:39 chris night 03:39 brendan great 03:39 chris_n g'night 03:39 * chris_n hits the sack 03:38 wizzyrea_ if he doesn't go I'll go down to florida and smuggle him in my suitcase 03:38 chris w00t 03:38 gmcharlt yes 03:38 brendan gmcharlt are you going to KohaCon10 03:36 pianohacker Feels more like a community project 03:36 pianohacker Definitely, I like the feel of this a lot better 03:35 wizzyrea_ ^.^ i'm glad you like it 03:34 * chris_n feels like a kid in a candy shop ;) 03:34 chris :) 03:33 chris_n stock demos++ 03:32 chris_n cool, lots of fresh news on the new website 03:31 brendan heya chris_n 03:31 chris_n wb brendan 03:28 wizzyrea_ PBBT 03:28 chris :) 03:27 chris you are ruining my nonsense 03:27 wizzyrea_ but that's way not as fun 03:27 wizzyrea_ kind response 03:27 wizzyrea_ king probably = kind 03:27 chris king_response_bot 03:27 chris it can be 03:27 joetho well *I* need a bot to do that 03:26 chris :) 03:26 pianohacker We need a bot that we can poke and will spit out a random username that should respond to a mailing list post nobody's touched 03:26 chris need help waiting for king response to my message posted yesterday 03:26 chris i wonder what a king response is? 03:25 chris :) 03:25 chris swedish chef comes after that 03:25 joetho actually lolling here 03:25 chris hell no 03:25 joetho you weren't kidding either, were you? 03:25 chris type that in google joetho 03:25 joetho tlhIngan Hol ?? 03:21 pianohacker Hahahaha, know that feeling 03:21 chris_n pianohacker: I think I'm free between 0100 and 0500 each day.... 03:20 pianohacker I've only been avoiding it for nine months now 03:20 chris_n actually he climbs on top of the table and enjoys his 30 seconds of glory :-) 03:20 pianohacker chris_n: Feel like updating the translation system to include .pref files? 03:20 * chris_n crawls under the table 03:19 chris hehe 03:19 gmcharlt now you get to continue your dominating position by fixing all of the blockers for 3.2 ;) 03:19 * chris_n will have a hard run to hold the pole position 03:19 gmcharlt chris_n++ 03:18 chris_n wow 03:18 chris check it out :) 03:18 chris http://stats.workbuffer.org/koha-combined-history/authors.html#author_of_year 03:18 chris_n here 03:17 chris chris_n: you about? 03:15 gmcharlt but normally, of course, a failing DB-depdent test *does* indicate that something had changed, after all ;) 03:15 pianohacker Once I get the sysprefs editor in more reasonable shape, might poke at that 03:14 pianohacker Good to know 03:14 gmcharlt pianohacker: the portions that are applicable, yes - if parts are hopelessly out of date, it would be OK to remove them 03:14 pianohacker Cool 03:14 * chris defers to gmcharlt 03:14 IrmaCalyx cia all 03:14 pianohacker cya, IrmaCalyx 03:13 pianohacker I had a nitpick question: does the test suite requirement for alpha->beta include the db-dependent suite? 03:13 IrmaCalyx must go back and tackle some of my tasks - cheers. 03:13 pianohacker hi, chris 03:13 chris heya pianohacker 03:13 IrmaCalyx <wizzyrea_> me too :-) 03:12 chris Jo: you about? 03:12 chris sweet IrmaCalyx 03:12 wizzyrea_ I can't stop admiring it >.> 03:12 IrmaCalyx re KohaCon ...I have started writing an invitation and hope to be able to have it translated in all Koha's languages 03:12 wizzyrea_ it sure is pretty 03:11 chris yeah 03:11 chris close enough 03:11 gmcharlt closest to UTC+0 that the events widget offers 03:11 wizzyrea_ fine by me 03:11 gmcharlt btw, note that I set the time zone for the events calendar to London 03:11 chris wolfram alpha does a decent job 03:11 gmcharlt wizzyrea: wolfram-alpha 03:11 wizzyrea_ hahahaha 03:11 chris we dont restrict koha to this planet, or even to reality ;-) 03:10 wizzyrea_ best time conversion website? 03:10 chris klingon IrmaCalyx 03:10 IrmaCalyx tlhIngan Hol? 03:06 gmcharlt drat 03:06 chris nengards friend never got back to her about it :) 03:05 gmcharlt chris: any word on the tlhIngan Hol translation? 03:02 IrmaCalyx ok...worrying is overrated...I withdraw my question 03:01 chris http://translate.koha.org/projects/opac3_1/ 03:01 chris that too 03:01 IrmaCalyx P.O. Box? 03:00 chris yeah thats all fixed in the NZ and GB ones 03:00 IrmaCalyx catalogue is one term 03:00 chris you can base it on either the NZ or the GB one 03:00 chris if you are fast 03:00 IrmaCalyx is there time for that? 03:00 IrmaCalyx I like to ask about the possibility to include in 3.2 Australian English spelling 03:00 chris yeah its looking good 02:59 wizzyrea_ I'm actually quite pleased with how it is turning out. 02:59 IrmaCalyx i sent a tweet with new website 02:57 IrmaCalyx hi Jo terrific progress today 02:57 Jo hi Irma 02:57 IrmaCalyx So much good news 02:56 IrmaCalyx what an exciting day today !!! 02:56 wizzyrea_ just doing forwarding 02:56 IrmaCalyx G'day all 02:56 wizzyrea_ it's in the domainz default config 02:55 richard i don't see why not. where is the record now? 02:54 wizzyrea_ no particular epic hurry, fwiw. It's working in the capacity we need it to now. :) 02:53 Jo (we as in you :) 02:53 Jo can we do it? 02:53 Jo can you read back a second or 2 and asnwer the question about hosting the dns 02:53 richard hi jo 02:52 Jo Richard: are you about still? 02:52 Jo I am blissfully unaware of the detail of loads of stuff i am involved in :) 02:52 chris yeah katipo host the dns for kete.net.nz 02:52 Jo simon? 02:52 Jo dns stuff - who would know? 02:52 chris its not me 02:51 Jo Chris? 02:51 Jo I don't understand the question but I don't see why not 02:47 chris yup 02:46 wizzyrea_ since we can 02:46 wizzyrea_ I think we should be sure to tag/categorize as granularly as possible 02:46 chris yep 02:46 wizzyrea_ i hope that's a good thing :P 02:45 chris it feels like 2004 again 02:45 gmcharlt wizzyrea_: Kete, HLT, Kete, HLT - why do I think there's a connection :P 02:45 wizzyrea_ what a relief to finally have a place to put that stuff, eh 02:45 wizzyrea_ gmcharlt love that you put the release notes on the site 02:44 wizzyrea_ :P 02:44 wizzyrea_ says she who is totally ignorant of anything and everything surrounding kete and/or who does what in NZ 02:44 wizzyrea_ maybe the people who host the dns for kete.co.nz would be willing to host koha-community.org DNS as well? 02:42 chris fair enough 02:40 Jo we had an account with them already and didn'twant stuff all over the place 02:39 Jo yep 02:38 wizzyrea_ ya 02:36 chris ah jo went with domainz not freeparking? 02:35 wizzyrea_ since koha-community.org is running wpmu 02:35 wizzyrea_ helpful for me, def, b/c then we could have wildcards and subdomain blogs 02:34 wizzyrea_ so if someone wants to volunteer to host the DNS, that would be cool 02:34 wizzyrea_ with the new ISP 02:34 wizzyrea_ and not sure how slaving is going to work :/ 02:34 wizzyrea_ and I hesitate to host the DNS @ NEKLS since we'll be changing our ISP in the next few months 02:33 wizzyrea_ the controls on the DNS for domainz are kind of sparse 02:33 wizzyrea_ yea, not surprising :( 02:33 Jo ok 02:31 chris yeah check the spam folder 02:30 chris_n fwiw, my registration email got nuked by gmail anti-spam 02:30 wizzyrea_ ty kindly 02:28 chris http://kohacon.appspot.com/ 02:28 wizzyrea_ > 02:28 wizzyrea_ <lazy> can somebody hit me with the kohacon10 url?</lazy 02:27 wizzyrea_ HEE. I like how you think 02:26 Jo can't you just steal his work while hes not looking? 02:25 wizzyrea_ mine took a good 10-ish minutes to come through when I was testing 02:25 wizzyrea_ yes, I was going to add that as well. Kinda hoping chris would write the article ;) but I know he's super busy 02:24 wizzyrea_ well, there are no SPF records for koha-community.org, so it likely got nuked as spam :( 02:23 Jo I did try and register but have not recieved an email. I figured it might not be active yet? 02:22 Jo and my only other comment was to include kohacon 2010 somewher .. maybe under events? 02:21 Jo cool 02:21 wizzyrea_ Oh, true. I will add that info 02:21 Jo the other thing was for the staff demop I needed a login and password 02:20 wizzyrea_ there, this time with feeling 02:20 gmcharlt (not that I would complain if you could do it! :) ) 02:20 Jo 20010 is not actually much of an improvement my ove :) 02:20 wizzyrea_ naughty wizzy! 02:20 wizzyrea_ HA 02:20 gmcharlt wizzyrea: 9 February 20010 ? are you planning to make me immortal for that? 02:19 Jo I am amazed at how quickly you guys have got this thing up and running and gorgeous :) 02:19 wizzyrea_ done :) 02:19 wizzyrea_ naughty~ 02:19 wizzyrea_ O naught gmcharlt! 02:19 Jo http://koha-community.org/ - the date for the general koha meeting says 2009 - should be 2010 02:18 wizzyrea_ url? 02:18 wizzyrea_ sure 02:18 wizzyrea_ though I'd be just as happy playing video games >.> 02:18 Jo would you like to correct a date? 02:18 wizzyrea_ back looking at the site if you have more you want to do 02:17 wizzyrea_ :) 02:17 Jo Oh look at that ... that is such a community effort! 02:15 chris nice range of ppl contributed to 3.2 02:15 chris http://stats.workbuffer.org/koha-combined-history/tags.html 02:05 chris_n gmcharlt++ 02:03 Jo would be cool to be able to view the paid support providers on a googlemap - so geographically 02:01 Jo That paid support is so pretty 01:58 Jo gmcharlt+++ 01:58 chilts gmcharlt++ 01:58 Jo I'll share a nice story with you: just heard of a computer guy in Palmerston who volantarily installed Koha for a school, and the local librarisn are cataloguing the schools library - after hours as volunteers :) 01:57 brendan w00t 01:57 Jo this is quite a big step 01:56 joetho clap clap clap clap clap clap! 01:56 Jo go you 01:56 Jo woo hoo! 01:56 gmcharlt Jo: it basically means that I've drawn a line in the sand - i.e., this point is 3.2 alpha 01:55 Jo for the non-geeks among us, Galen please what does alpha tagged mean? 01:53 chris w00t 01:52 gmcharlt 3.2 alpha tagged 01:43 braedon hmm, any ideas what could cause the MARC record import tool to duplicate some biblios on import? the staged record manager shows the correct number of biblios, but once imported there are 513 extra biblios in the database. The duplicates seem to have no items attached. 01:40 Jo can anyone suggest a good online set of library icons (a full set for all sorts of different media types etc) 01:33 slef ok, I'm gone. bbl 01:31 chilts heh 01:30 * slef starts !!!Koha!!! Co 01:30 gmcharlt he or his parents didn't know when to stop, evidently ;) 01:30 chilts Limited even :D 01:30 * chilts creates A1 Koha Consulting Limites :) 01:30 slef gmcharlt: there used to be a guy in the phone book where I grew up called "Zzitz, Zeke Z" 01:29 * gmcharlt awaits the Aaaardvark Koha Consultancy 01:29 slef but the previous list discussion was right: sortable is The Right Way 01:29 slef come near the end of the alphabet and see if you still agree ;-) 01:28 chris at least i can add kyle and zeno now 01:28 chris way i figure it, pure alphabetical is 100 times better than what we used to have, and we can just keep improving it 01:27 chris *nod* 01:26 slef main thing we'd need to decide is what columns to list 01:25 slef http://tobias.baethge.com/wordpress-plugins/wp-table-reloaded-english/ is a more involved method 01:23 slef http://www.kryogenix.org/code/browser/sorttable/ 01:22 chris cool 01:21 braedon chris: Steven will write something up for the support page, and get back to you, thanks. 01:09 chris yessir 01:08 slef chris@bigballofwax? 01:08 chris is that the only bit you want changed? 01:08 chris but i can make changes in the meantime 01:08 chris you'll need to ask wizzy for that 01:08 chris we sure can 01:08 slef oh, can we have logins again? 01:08 pianohackr|work an easy-to-see field like "Geographical Area" would be nice 01:08 chris email me whatever text you want and ill change it right now 01:08 chris i can 01:08 slef wizzyrea: can you update Turo Technology LLP to software.coop please? We completed that transition a while ago. 01:08 richard thanks chris 01:08 richard yay 01:07 slef needs updates... ideally being a click-sortable table like I think thd suggested but I don't know any plugin for that OTTOMH 01:07 pianohackr|work Why in god's name am I building ocaml from source? 01:07 pianohackr|work All I really want is the latest graphviz with collision avoidance on edges 01:06 chris katipo are back !! 01:06 chris http://koha-community.org/support/paid-support/ 01:05 jdavidb apt-get --I_know_what_Im_doing_here -b source 01:04 chris_n apt-get --install_NOW! -b source 01:04 chris_n lol pianohackr|work 00:56 mao how are you 00:56 CGI155 hello 00:53 chris sweet 00:53 chris hehe 00:52 gmcharlt cool, 'cause I did it half an hour ago ;) 00:52 chris gmcharlt: yes should be fine 00:52 chris back 00:47 pianohackr|work apt-get -b source needs a "I am not a paranoid basement-dweller, please disable the 30 minute long test suite" flag 00:41 jdavidb ty, chris_n. 00:41 chris_n wb jdavidb 00:16 munin joetho: Karma for "wizzyrea" has been increased 53 times and decreased 0 times for a total karma of 53. 00:16 joetho @karma wizzyrea 00:16 joetho yeah, she'll probably lock us out in a few months. 00:15 chris_n wizzyrea++ 00:15 chris_n nice website! 00:11 nod http://lwn.net/Articles/370157/ 00:11 munin brendan: The current temperature in Northwest Goleta, Goleta, California is 14.8�C (4:07 PM PST on February 02, 2010). Conditions: Mostly Cloudy. Humidity: 72%. Dew Point: 10.0�C. Pressure: 29.79 in 1008.7 hPa (Steady). 00:11 brendan @wunder 93117 00:09 munin moodaepo: The current temperature in South on Monks, Mankato, Minnesota is -12.7�C (6:05 PM CST on February 02, 2010). Conditions: Clear. Humidity: 84%. Dew Point: -14.0�C. Windchill: -18.0�C. Pressure: 30.12 in 1019.9 hPa (Rising). 00:09 moodaepo @wunder 56001 00:05 chris_n gmcharlt++ 00:04 richard ack, wrong # 00:04 richard bob are you about?