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23:30 rhcl_brb joomla makes you twist your mouth in funny ways when you look at things that just aren't quite right and you can't quite figure out why.
23:28 rhcl_brb drupal drupal drupal
23:01 wizzyrea http://icanhascheezburger.files.wordpress.com/2010/01/funny-pictures-kitten-is-on-laptop.jpg
23:01 wizzyrea and on that note
22:57 moodaepo e
22:33 wizzyrea "you'll get LEK and you'll like it"
22:33 brendan is that printed somewhere? or you heard that from someone
22:33 wizzyrea yea, saw that. :( :( :(
22:33 brendan wizzyrea -> acquisition by ptfs delayed til mid feb.
22:32 wizzyrea Ahhhhh... looks very useful for colleges/uni's
22:31 wizzyrea Oh oh with the U
22:31 gmcharlt chris_n: Kuali Student?
22:30 wizzyrea koali... what is it?
22:30 chris_n we are ultimatily headed for the Koali thing, but looking for an intermediate solution during the interm
22:28 chris_n drupal and joomla
22:28 wizzyrea yea it may not
22:28 chris_n but I don't think it integrates with wordpress
22:27 wizzyrea ohhh I wanted to use this for the NEKLS member directory
22:27 chris_n but it's written in PHP... yuk!
22:26 chris_n taking a look at CiviCRM atm
22:26 chris_n I'm looking a some FOSS CRM software
22:25 wizzyrea ?
22:25 wizzyrea or, what's your project
22:25 wizzyrea what do you want to do?
22:25 chris_n I'll check it out
22:24 wizzyrea CMS of the year, no less.
22:24 wizzyrea chris_n: wordpress, but I'm partial
22:23 * chris_n says "hmmmm...."
22:23 wizzyrea fyi
22:23 wizzyrea acquisition by ptfs delayed til mid feb.
22:23 chris_n anyone have a cms recommendation? Drupal, Joomla, foo?
22:21 schuster ok the rush to go home is on HAPPY FRIDAY!
21:47 sekjal Koha: feel the rush!
21:47 schuster little green behind the ears on the programming thing, but learning...
21:47 pianohackr|work we've got a _librarian_ in town
21:47 pianohackr|work watch out, developers
21:46 schuster next week - work on sorting things that are not sorted! giddy with excitement!
21:46 schuster owen has kids...;)
21:32 schuster I'm on such an odd version of Koha I don't want to commit it yet.
21:32 schuster taking notes so that I can do this again for 3.2 and share it with everyone.... that means next step learn git.... yikes.
21:31 owen Careful schuster: That's exactly how I got started ;)
21:31 schuster schuster owes OWEN!!! oh that was cool... I really feel like I can make a difference!!! This is what open source is all about...
21:28 schuster oh, I new owen would have an answer! giddy...
21:26 owen ""
21:22 schuster is there some trickery to not display "" or anything if there isn't an "othernames"
21:21 schuster Cool!!!! I was able to get other name to pop up on the circ screen, but now I have another question... I was able to insert "othernames", with the quotes, but if they don't have a "othernames" it is showing the ""
20:55 owen For finally remembering that little arrow? :)
20:54 pianohackr|work owen++
20:32 gmcharlt the LWP Perl module also can support setting a proxy
20:31 gmcharlt schuster: curl supports authenticating to a proxy, so one approach would be to have the link checker fire off calls to run curl
20:28 jwagner I ran a URL checker regularly in one of my previous jobs and we set it up with the IT security folks. The server itself was permitted to do the URL calls, and I always alerted them when I was going to run it, because the server web traffic would suddenly shoot through the roof & show up on their "potential trouble" monitors.
20:27 jwagner schuster, why not? An IP exception is the simplest solution, and it shouldn't be harmful if it's set up properly.
20:25 schuster Yeah, I'm not sure they will go for that either...
20:25 cait bye all :)
20:24 chris_n schuster: in that case, an exception for the Koha server's ip might be the simplest route
20:23 chris_n owen: have you seen Thunder Bird's RAM usage... 8-O
20:23 schuster 856 tags may be pointing anywhere... will consider this further.
20:22 chris_n the easy thing would be for them to put an exception in for the domain(s)/ip(s) of the remote machines
20:21 chris_n a quick google of websense seems to indicate that websense supports multiple authentication schemes, so it could be anything really
20:20 schuster hmmm I've sent this on to the perl programmer we have here to see what his suggestions are.
20:20 chris_n either way, you could mod the check_url.pl script to handle the auth scheme used, but it would require a bit of work
20:19 schuster chris_n - Novell servers, with XP desktops
20:19 chris_n schuster: is your network windows based or *nix?
20:18 chris_n firefox crashes here once a week routinely
20:18 chris_n owen++
20:17 wizzyrea yes, that too
20:17 * owen 's Firefox RAM usage makes him cry
20:17 wizzyrea though that's not your fault
20:16 wizzyrea schuster :/ websense makes baby wizzy's cry
20:16 schuster chris_n sorry??? it is websense that's about all I know???
20:15 chris_n schuster: does your proxy use basic auth or ntlm or digest or __your_flavor__?
20:14 jwagner schuster, I'm vague on proxy filters, but can you use a URL prefix that says http go-thru-proxy go-to-real-address? Then you could embed the prefix in your script.
20:14 chris_n pianohackr|work: this one disappeared after the merge of the sysprefs work
20:13 schuster Any suggestions using perl how to push those 856 url's at the command line through a proxy? I want to take your suggestions back to my perl person who has a few ideas...
20:12 pianohackr|work All that's stored in the DB is name, value and type
20:12 schuster So I want to use the check_url.pl in the misc/cronjob folder and we have been tweaking it which I think it looks great. BUT we have a proxy filter here in the district so any URL it tries to check outside the district it gets a 500 error because the request didn't go through the filter.
20:12 pianohackr|work chris_n: No, it involves YAML tomfoolery now
20:09 * chris_n noticed one he added disappeared
20:08 chris_n pianohackr|work: is the procedure for adding sysprefs the same as before?
20:08 gmcharlt pianohackr|work: my guess is not the editor itself, but the web service calls it issues are scribbling over the session
20:08 pianohackr|work I noticed that. Not sure how the sysprefs editor would do that, but it's worth poking at
20:07 munin 04Bug http://bugs.koha.org/cgi-bin/bugzilla3/show_bug.cgi?id=4079 critical, P5, ---, pianohacker@gmail.com, NEW, Opening system preferences page causes session to lose information
20:07 owen Bug 4079
20:07 owen pianohackr|work: I assigned you a weird bug today
20:07 pianohackr|work Hi owen
20:07 owen Hi pianohackr|work
20:03 chris ahhh that would also do it :)
20:03 owen The editor wasn't entering Windows linefeeds, it was deleting trailing whitespace without being asked!
20:02 chris was it a ^M ?
20:02 owen Ha!
20:02 * jwagner was just thinking that cream would be tastier on, say, cereal or hot cocoa....
20:01 chris_n which leave the line terminators alone
20:01 * chris_n uses cream on windows
20:01 chris brendan: its probably in their business model somewhere
20:00 chris_n lol brendan
19:55 chris did you save?
19:55 chris sometimes you open something in windows and it helpfully whacks windows linefeeds for ya
19:55 brendan heh - m$ charges you by the line (it's called linefee)
19:55 chris yeah
19:55 owen But a line I didn't touch?
19:54 chris d
19:54 chris its probably a linefee
19:54 chris windows characters
19:54 owen Speaking of git diff, I'm trying a new editor in my Windows machine today and now git diff is reporting differences that don't seem to be there, i.e. a "changed" blank line
19:45 chris which means you cant commit them
19:45 chris makes them errors
19:45 chris git apply --whitespace=error
19:44 chris core.whitespace is the value that you can set to choose what you want to be picky about
19:44 chris has options for telling it the colour to highlight
19:44 chris_n I never could get a script setup as a git hook to do that
19:44 chris yeah git-config
19:43 * owen appreciates that git diff highlights those trailing spaces in loud red
19:43 chris_n I have a vimrc entry that strips white spaces on every save
19:42 jwagner Mostly I hover and make sympathetic noises while jdavidb curses and mutters.
19:42 chris ie by default it will warn, you can crank that up
19:42 chris you can tell git to spaz at you if you have whitespace
19:42 * chris_n thinks trailing spaces are evil
19:42 jwagner Yes, I've run into that one as well.
19:41 chris which is annoying
19:41 chris often conflicts are whitespace too
19:41 chris some work better
19:41 jwagner (That's probably a non-starter, but....)
19:41 chris there are different merge algorithms
19:41 cait :)
19:40 jwagner Don't allow the site to have more than one feature?
19:40 chris ahh, i have techniques for that too
19:40 * chris_n can :-\
19:40 jwagner Can you say "merge conflict"??? I thought you could :-(
19:40 jwagner Yes, we do that now. Every feature has its own branch. The fun comes when we try to put them together. It's AMAZING how many of them want to touch the exact same template or script.
19:40 chris if you have lots of branches, one for each feature or big bugfix
19:39 chris is branch the hell out of it :)
19:39 chris but the main tip (and this is for the future)
19:38 jwagner Great.
19:36 chris as soon as the git wrangling video from LCA is online ill send a link to that too, some great tips on there
19:35 chris :)
19:33 * jwagner invites chris to visit Bethesda for a spell :-)
19:33 chris so i have learnt lots of tricks
19:33 chris often the long running topic branches need to be rebased
19:32 * jwagner says Bad owen. Bad.
19:32 chris at work we have a git branch for every workrequest, some run for months while production (the main branch) moves ever forward (with the finished branches merged into it)
19:32 owen Whip cracking? I'd go to that.
19:32 jwagner chris, we might take you up on that. One possibility is putting things out on our github as an interim. Still trying to figure out how best to handle it. And some of the little [expletive deleted]s are still changing & getting revised....
19:31 chris im happy to run a tutorial sometime
19:31 chris jwagner: if you need help with that, i have quite a bit of experience with git doing exactly that
19:29 * jwagner ducks out of the way
19:29 * owen cracks the whip
19:29 jwagner (Speaking of the need for time machines to pack more time into the day....)
19:28 jwagner Patience :-) It's coming. One problem we were just discussing today is that all of our development is now based on a version well behind head. Things would need to get rebased and updated, sigh.
19:28 owen That feature would solve a problem we've been living with since before we switched to Koha
19:27 jwagner You have to enter the actual itype code, not the description, but that's not a biggie.
19:27 jwagner Yep. The site that's testing it has about 6-8 item types in the list at least.
19:26 owen jwagner: does your feature allow you to choose multiple item types?
19:26 jwagner Change the existing one from a yes/no to a pulldown with choices.
19:26 jwagner Something like that. Might be an either/or on the current syspref that says allow/don't allow item types, rather than a new one.
19:25 owen jwagner: So we'd need another syspref that said, "only allow item-level holds on itemtypes which accept multiple item-level holds"
19:25 owen serial issues, encyclopedia volumes (does anyone use them anymore?) DVDs, VHS tapes
19:25 jwagner There's a syspref where you just enter the item types you want to allow. A patron can then place holds on more than one item for those, but not for anything else.
19:24 jwagner The original purpose was for serial issues, but it rapidly got extended to DVDs etc.
19:24 wizzyrea jwagner: I know that nekls would be interested in development like that
19:23 jwagner Sorry, no bugzilla entry on that yet, but it's about ready to go, I think.
19:23 jwagner I can see how you could add another syspref that says "only allow item level holds for the item types defined in the first syspref" for what you want.
19:23 owen jwagner: exactly
19:22 jwagner The theory is that people want to place a hold on both volume 1 & volume 2 of the DVD set or magazine.
19:22 gmcharlt or based on selected values from MARC fixed fields
19:22 jwagner owen, we're working on a feature that isn't quite a match but might be extended in that direction -- allowing holds on multiple items for certain defined item types.
19:22 gmcharlt do it by collection code
19:22 cait I know your problem.. we have them enabled because of serials and closed stacks, but it is a problem
19:22 gmcharlt one can envision a couple ways to do it
19:21 owen We don't want to enable item-level holds across the board because we think our patrons aren't smart enough to know when to use it
19:20 owen I wonder if there is a logical way to to enable item-level holds on biblio records which fit certain conditions? For instance: serials or multi-volume sets
19:20 cait I deleted the file today from my usb stick :(
19:19 jwagner I do them as separate loads during data migration, but there has to be a way to make the Tools, Patron Import work properly so sites can update their own data.
19:18 cait ok, I ll send me an email reminder :)
19:18 cait to = two
19:18 jwagner cait, yes, I'd love to see a sample.
19:18 cait we have to import keys and study as extended attribute fileds and loaded them
19:18 jwagner It won't for me. I was trying variations on "STARTDATE:'January 1, 2010',TRACK:Testing" -- because the first attribute had a comma, I tried wrapping it in single quotes. Then I took out the single quotes & comma, then I change it to a string without a space. Every time it loads both attributes into the same field, not as two separate attributes.
19:18 sekjal I had that experience, too, during our initial migration. extended attributes got loaded.
19:17 cait I can send you an anonymized example on monday - if that still helps
19:17 cait it worked like described on the tools page
19:17 cait but I dont have the file here :(
19:16 cait yes
19:16 chris i suspect under some cases it might not work
19:16 jwagner In the .csv file?
19:16 cait jwagner: we loaded several extended attributes
19:16 chris the patron importer was written before extended attributes existed
19:16 cait I did
19:16 sekjal sorry
19:15 jwagner Darn. We already do that -- that's how we're doing initial patron loads. I was trying to get the Tools, Patron Import spreadsheet to work with attributes. I've never been able to get that to work, and sites need to do regular updates (not just the initial data migration).
19:14 sekjal we had to reload our extended attributes after migrating because I didn't check the character limit on the 'attribute' field, and some data got lost
19:14 sekjal my script just takes in a file with a user identifier, and then a series of extended attributes (code:attribute pairs)
19:13 sekjal but I'm here now!
19:13 sekjal jwagner: sorry, had meetings and InfoDesk shift this morning.
19:12 jwagner sekjal, where were you this morning??? I was trying to troubleshoot loading a patron file with attributes with schuster & chris_n -- I can't get it to work. Does your patch do it?
19:09 sekjal hmmm, though I wonder if I should add the "add/replace" option first.... right now it depends on the user removing unwanted extended attributes from the database on their own
19:05 sekjal it reloads the extended attributes for a list of patrons from a flat file. Ed's post on the listserv reminded me I had it kicking around
19:04 owen Cool, sekjal, what's the script?
19:03 sekjal is there anything I should know first, or shall I just fire away?
19:03 sekjal Looking to submit my first script to contribs.koha.org
18:49 wizzyrea hm, they don't mention the white stuff falling from the sky :/
18:48 munin wizzyrea: The current temperature in Lawrence Live-Courtesy of the Khoury's, Lawrence, Kansas is -6.4ï¿½C (12:46 PM CST on January 29, 2010). Conditions: Overcast. Humidity: 72%. Dew Point: -11.0ï¿½C. Windchill: -10.0ï¿½C. Pressure: 30.32 in 1026.6 hPa (Falling).
18:48 wizzyrea @wunder 66047
18:32 cait makes walking to work a little adventure :)
18:32 cait we have some, but not so much
18:30 jdavidb It's very chilly here today. S'posed to get some snow tomorrow, but not much. (I hope.)
18:29 cait and I thought it was cold here...
18:27 munin jdavidb: The current temperature in Potomac, Maryland is -3.8ï¿½C (1:23 PM EST on January 29, 2010). Conditions: Clear. Humidity: 36%. Dew Point: -17.0ï¿½C. Windchill: -4.0ï¿½C. Pressure: 30.21 in 1022.9 hPa (Rising).
18:27 jdavidb @wunder 20817
18:18 munin moodaepo: The current temperature in South on Monks, Mankato, Minnesota is -15.0ï¿½C (12:15 PM CST on January 29, 2010). Conditions: Clear. Humidity: 69%. Dew Point: -19.0ï¿½C. Windchill: -22.0ï¿½C. Pressure: 30.46 in 1031.4 hPa (Falling).
18:18 moodaepo @wunder 56001
18:14 munin cait: The current temperature in Konstanz, Germany is 0.0ï¿½C (7:00 PM CET on January 29, 2010). Conditions: Light Snow. Humidity: 83%. Dew Point: -1.0ï¿½C. Pressure: 29.20 in 989 hPa (Falling).
18:14 cait @wunder Konstanz
18:13 cait hey brendan and chris_n
18:13 munin chris_n: The current temperature in Erwin, North Carolina is 4.0ï¿½C (1:02 PM EST on January 29, 2010). Conditions: Clear. Humidity: 33%. Dew Point: -11.0ï¿½C. Windchill: 1.0ï¿½C. Pressure: 30.30 in 1026 hPa (Rising). Winter Storm Warning in effect from 6 PM this evening to midnight EST Saturday night...
18:13 chris_n @wunder 28334
18:13 chris_n gearing up for an ice storm :-(
18:12 brendan chris_n how you doing today?
18:12 chris_n && brendan
18:12 chris_n hey cait
18:03 brendan hi cait
18:02 cait hi #koha
17:51 munin brendan: The current temperature in Northwest Goleta, Goleta, California is 12.5ï¿½C (9:44 AM PST on January 29, 2010). Conditions: Clear. Humidity: 82%. Dew Point: 10.0ï¿½C. Pressure: 30.05 in 1017.5 hPa (Rising).
17:51 brendan @wunder 93117
17:08 owen Both were correct before opening systempreferences.
17:08 owen ...as well as the "cardnumber" value stored by the sessions table.
17:07 owen the sessions table shows that after clicking on the "preferences.pl" link my "id" has changed to "3127."
17:04 owen I'm finding that when I go into the new system preferences page the logged-in-username info at the top of the screen changes from my login to "3127"
17:04 Colin One Acq question does anyone share my feeling that RRP is obscure and confusing as a label
16:51 Colin I tweaked a lot of fao's templates to show (EUR) or (USD) as required
16:49 Colin Yes most acq librarians are using the 3 digit codes the sign is window dressing
16:47 jwagner Maybe instead of trying to position the currency symbol, just a note saying "Active currency is USD or Euro or whatever"?
16:45 Colin Yes in input people just want digits point digits
16:45 owen In that case I'm not sure what the "active" aspect of currencies is for.
16:44 gmcharlt i.e., for a library that deals in both USD and CAD, $123.45 will need qualification anyway
16:43 gmcharlt I think output is easier than parsing - for input, could just use dropdown to select the appropriate currency
16:42 Colin gmcharlt: Yes looking at L::C::Format now
16:40 gmcharlt Colin: perllocale covers a lot of useful ground, but not currency formatting - i.e., back to L::C::Format or thelike
16:38 Colin I think it can parse as well as output currency
16:36 owen Does that help when we're talking about input fields? $ [ text input ] and [ text input ] â‚¬
16:35 Colin I need to reread the perllocale perldoc
16:35 gmcharlt e.g., Locale::Currency::Format
16:35 Colin owen: well locales give you rules for formatting monetary amounts etc. and perl can use them
16:32 owen How would that work?
16:32 gmcharlt +1 # using locales
16:31 * ebegin agree too
16:31 nicomo ++
16:31 Colin can we use locale settings?
16:31 nicomo 10 000,50â‚¬
16:31 nicomo because the comma is used for the decimals
16:31 nicomo yeah, same here: space, no comma to separate the thousands...
16:30 ebegin with a space instead of the comma to separate the thousands
16:30 ebegin Actually, it would be nice to have a format function you know. '$1,500' is written '1 500 $' over here
16:29 nicomo eh eh
16:29 * owen gives up and crawls under his desk
16:29 ebegin Yep
16:29 owen ebegin: Really?
16:29 ebegin But the $ in canada is placed after the number ;)
16:29 jwagner I wouldn't mind if it showed, but does the recent acq work and/or this also fix another problem? When you go in to create a new vendor, the list and invoice prices always default to CAD (because it's first in the pulldown). Why not make it default to the active currency?
16:28 nicomo that's a step forward :)
16:28 nicomo But I'll compromise: if you do that bug, I'll be content to not have a $ and have a misplaced â‚¬
16:28 nicomo in the Euro zone
16:28 nicomo always after the amount as far as i know
16:27 owen Is the Euro symbol commonly put after the amount? Does that vary from country to country using the Euro?
16:26 paul_p owen: french libraries I think ;-) (nicomo, your opinion ? is this a blocker for us ? I don't think so)
16:26 munin 04Bug http://bugs.koha.org/cgi-bin/bugzilla3/show_bug.cgi?id=4078 trivial, P5, ---, oleonard@myacpl.org, ASSIGNED, Display active currency symbol on currency output and input
16:26 owen Hmmm... Thinking about Bug 4078, who is going to be mad at me if the symbol always appears before the number?
15:49 nahuel yes I can, but i'm not an expert of UIs
15:48 owen nahuel: Perhaps you could add something to the wiki describing how you would improve our use of YUI?
15:47 chris_n ahh... tnx
15:47 owen chris_n: I think news appears if you've got news, otherwise it doesn't.
15:46 nahuel and ways to do
15:46 chris_n owen: is there a syspref for the opac news feature?
15:46 nahuel we should unify all uses of libs
15:45 chris_n I think chris has already been working on some TT conversion
15:45 nahuel :)
15:45 nahuel but rewrite them
15:45 nahuel we should not convert templates
15:45 owen chris_n: That's what I'm thinking too
15:45 nahuel exactly !
15:45 chris_n sounds like a good candidate for the great 3.4 cleanup release :-)
15:44 nahuel the bigger problem is that yui was never upgraded
15:44 owen ...even though I'm the one that picked it for use in Koha!
15:44 nahuel hÃ©hÃ©
15:44 owen It's one of the reasons I don't like YUI
15:44 nahuel I tryied to fix... but it a real big job
15:44 owen At the time I tried it I didn't have time to chase down all the problems.
15:43 owen nahuel: I had the same experience, which is why the YUI upgrade hasn't been done yet.
15:42 nahuel a lot of stuffs
15:42 nahuel owen, yep
15:42 owen nahuel: Do you mean you tried using the upgraded YUI version and it broke things?
15:41 nahuel I just know upgrading to yui 2.8 koha doesn't work as it should
15:41 nahuel I don't know _why_
15:41 owen nahuel: I'd like to hear more about why koha templates are not compatible with YUI css
15:39 * chris_n imagines a tractor with "YUI" on the side
15:39 chris_n yuiloader?
15:38 nahuel and use the yuiloader !
15:38 nahuel we should use last version of yui
15:38 nahuel koha templates are not compatibles for css stuffs
15:37 owen What do you mean?
15:37 nahuel i already tryied
15:37 nahuel owen, we can't
15:37 owen nahuel: I agree that we should upgrade YUI to the latest version. I disagree that we should include all of YUI by default.
15:36 * chris_n wonders if we are considering yui3 when it leaves beta?
15:36 nahuel and the koha xhtml/css use yui css not in the right way
15:36 nahuel you can't use what you want
15:36 nahuel but not all yui is in koha
15:35 nahuel like koha use some old yui version
15:35 owen nahuel: Like what?
15:33 * nahuel hates how yui is used in koha
15:33 nahuel hehe
15:32 * owen hates everything about YUI except the things that it can do that other libs can't
15:29 chris_n owen: it appears I can override the problem with an inline style in this case
15:27 chris_n but believe me, I'd love to fix it... now, where is that spare time ;-)
15:26 chris_n incidentally, I was not contracted to fix the problems on Koha's side, only create a workaround for drupal
15:24 chris_n but the patron import tool could use some help
15:24 chris_n I'll try to do that this weekend
15:24 chris_n jwanger: I'll have to go back and look at my emails/notes from the work I did
15:24 jwagner chris_n, it does load the attribute data, sort of, and everything else seems to go into the proper fields. It's just combining both attribute fields into one. Maybe it's because the field data has a space in it?
15:23 owen In the case I'm thinking of, I gave up :( That doesn't mean there isn't a possible solution for your specific case
15:22 chris_n jwagner: I don't think it does it correctly
15:22 chris_n owen: do you have a particular fix you apply?
15:22 jwagner chris_n, I thought it was supposed to download based on the current system's table?
15:22 chris_n problems even
15:22 chris_n among a few other problmes
15:21 owen chris_n: Yes. YUI makes promises about nesting grids that it doesn't keep. I've posted questions about it to the ydn-javascript Yahoo Group and gotten zero replies.
15:21 chris_n I'd have to look back, but I think some required columns are missing
15:21 chris_n jwagner: there are some basic problems with the example format
15:21 chris_n owen: do you find that the more you nest yui grids, there begins to be some issues with correct div placement?
15:20 jwagner Does that help?
15:20 jwagner s/spreadsheet/csv file/g
15:18 Colin Someone mentioned spreadsheets - they have that effect
15:15 jwagner It's gotten awfully quiet all of a sudden :-(
14:51 jwagner chris_n, yeah, I'm finding that out -- off talking to schuster but I'll pick your brains too. I have two attribute fields, one of which would normally contain a comma. I tried like "STARTDATE:'January 1, 2010',TRACK:Testing" and also without the single quotes/comma in the date, but it's insisting on loading both attributes into one field.
14:51 chris_n heya wizzyrea
14:50 * chris_n did some contract development over the holidays involving patron imports
14:50 wizzyrea how is everybody this morning?
14:50 chris_n jwagner: there are a number of anomalies with that "spreadsheet" example :-)
14:50 wizzyrea hello hello
14:50 owen Hi wizzyrea
14:37 munin paul_p: The current temperature in Marseille, France is 9.0ï¿½C (3:00 PM CET on January 29, 2010). Conditions: Mostly Cloudy. Humidity: 50%. Dew Point: -1.0ï¿½C. Windchill: 6.0ï¿½C. Pressure: 29.44 in 997 hPa (Steady).
14:37 paul_p @wunder Marseille, france
14:31 owen No more hard-coded dollar signs ;)
14:31 paul_p yes, you're right owen
14:31 owen paul_p: Am I correct in thinking that now that we have can specify and active currency we should be outputting that currency symbol where currency amounts are input?
14:30 jwagner schuster, your listserv message on importing with patron attributes -- I've not been able to get this to work. I download the sample spreadsheet with the attribute columns & fill them in, but they don't seem to load. How are you structuring it?
14:24 ebegin owen, I would keep the same you suggested. I'm speaking for french speaker in North America. I'm pretty sure it's the same for European people.
14:23 schuster This is a modification we will work on in the near future/local only holds, but I have some other development that needs to be done first! this is a stop gap.
14:22 schuster Due to holds routing and we only want to keep them at their local campus it would be helpful if specific copy was the default so they have to select the copy available at their location.
14:22 owen schuster: I don't understand the question
14:21 schuster I'll play with it on my test server maybe later today... Since I have your attention...;) is there an easy way to change the default on the pac holds page that defaults to first available to specific copy?
14:20 owen I'm curious how the othernames field is used for non-English speakers. paul_p? ebegin? Ropuch?
14:20 schuster Since they "go by" Othername - might it not be better to put "Othername" first in quotes so when the librarian says - hello - looks at the screen quick and says morning jimminy when it should be jim?
14:19 owen Not sure without trying it
14:19 schuster owen - so that is just a basic circulation.tmpl change or circulation.pl? I'm still learning my way around this...
14:18 owen With othernames in quotes
14:18 owen For English speakers I would probably make it ' Firstname MiddleInit "Othername" Surname'
14:17 schuster Hey owen - I was a little out of it yesterday not checking to see how everyone was! I was too busy to switch to a different IRC. I have this one automatically come up in the morning along with the logs. I knew something was wrong when there were only 6 or so lines!
14:17 munin 04Bug http://bugs.koha.org/cgi-bin/bugzilla3/show_bug.cgi?id=2930 enhancement, P3, ---, gmcharlt@gmail.com, NEW, Put other name on CKO screen
14:17 owen schuster: I think Bug 2930 is a reasonable modification to make to the template
14:16 owen Hi schuster
14:09 pmlozeau jwagner: yes indeed :)
14:09 owen Thanks frederic for fixing the updatedatabase.pl bug
14:08 ebegin lol
14:07 jwagner Ain't we all :-)
14:06 pmlozeau thanks everyone for the welcoming messages, still trying to figure everything I need to know about the koha community
14:01 gmcharlt welcome pmlozeau
13:56 * owen will work on that
13:55 paul_p hi owen. You're probably right: we should warn the librarian
13:54 owen paul_p: Should all budget planning pages warn you if you do not have an active currency set up?
13:47 chris_n 2.2.9 is very old and basically unsupported
13:46 chris_n Steven: I'd recommend upgrading to 3.0.5
13:46 chris_n hi pmlozeau
13:44 Steven can anybody guide me on how to debug the fines2.pl in 2.2.9?
13:43 kf welcome pmlozeau
13:41 pmlozeau thanks / merci !
13:41 jwagner Bienvenue!
13:41 owen Welcome, pmlozeau!
13:40 * ebegin wants to introduced inLibro's new librarian, pmlozeau.
13:35 chris_n sorry munin :-)
13:35 munin chris_n: Error: You must have a free Google web services license key in order to use this command. You can get one at <http://code.google.com/apis/soapsearch/>. Once you have one, you can set it with the command "config supybot.plugins.Google.licenseKey <key>".
13:35 chris_n @google convert -30 Celsius to Fahrenheit
13:34 ebegin :)
13:34 ebegin BTW, in summer, it's ok though :) We have 30+C
13:34 owen If it's summer ebegin, I'm there!
13:34 ebegin Next KohaCon in MontrÃ©al... anyone? :)
13:33 jwagner Yep, that's pretty cold all right....
13:33 ebegin (-30) degrees Celsius = -22 degrees Fahrenheit
13:33 munin owen: The current temperature in Ohio University, Athens, Ohio is -10.6ï¿½C (7:57 AM EST on January 29, 2010). Conditions: Clear. Humidity: 61%. Dew Point: -17.0ï¿½C. Windchill: -11.0ï¿½C. Pressure: 30.48 in 1032.1 hPa (Rising).
13:33 owen @wunder 45701
13:33 collum jwagner: me neither. I have to use a converter.
13:33 munin ebegin: (google <search> [--{language,restrict} <value>] [--{notsafe,similar}]) -- Searches google.com for the given string. As many results as can fit are included. --language accepts a language abbreviation; --restrict restricts the results to certain classes of things; --similar tells Google not to filter similar results. --notsafe allows possibly work-unsafe results.
13:33 ebegin @google -30C = ?F
13:32 jwagner At least they finally (after about two weeks) fixed the heat in my office. Sort of. It's at least putting out warmish air.
13:32 jwagner I still can't translate C to F, but it's pretty fricking cold here too!
13:32 ebegin collum, Witht he wind factor over here, we fell like -30C.. :\
13:31 owen I was going to say, collum, you've got a real sense for temperature!
13:31 collum Oops forgot the - signs
13:30 owen Hi all, glad to see we're up and running today
13:30 collum Yep. I just noticed it is 9.2C in Northern KY, but if feels like 9.0C
13:28 ebegin Can you beleive it... it's freaking cold over here!!!
13:28 munin ebegin: The current temperature in Montreal, Quebec is -18.0ï¿½C (8:00 AM EST on January 29, 2010). Conditions: Low Drifting Snow. Humidity: 51%. Dew Point: -26.0ï¿½C. Windchill: -30.0ï¿½C. Pressure: 30.18 in 1022 hPa (Rising).
13:28 ebegin @wunder montreal, canada
13:22 munin chris_n: The current temperature in Dunn, North Carolina is 3.1ï¿½C (8:17 AM EST on January 29, 2010). Conditions: Clear. Humidity: 19%. Dew Point: -18.0ï¿½C. Windchill: 0.0ï¿½C. Pressure: 29.91 in 1012.8 hPa (Rising). Winter Storm Warning in effect from 6 PM this evening to midnight EST Saturday night...
13:22 chris_n @wunder 28334
13:10 munin collum: The current temperature in Newport Aquarium, Newport, Kentucky is -9.2ï¿½C (8:00 AM EST on January 29, 2010). Conditions: Partly Cloudy. Humidity: 58%. Dew Point: -16.0ï¿½C. Windchill: -9.0ï¿½C. Pressure: 30.56 in 1034.8 hPa (Rising).
13:10 collum @wunder 41011
13:09 munin kf: The current temperature in Friedrichshafen, Germany is 1.0ï¿½C (1:50 PM CET on January 29, 2010). Conditions: Light Rain Showers. Humidity: 81%. Dew Point: -2.0ï¿½C. Windchill: -4.0ï¿½C. Pressure: 29.30 in 992 hPa (Steady).
13:09 kf @wunder Konstanz
13:08 gmcharlt heh
13:07 nahuel too late :)
13:07 gmcharlt nahuel: about?
13:06 jwagner (You miss playing with the toys....)
13:06 munin jwagner: Quote #23: "<gmcharlt> /msg munin register nick password" (added by wizzyrea_ at 12:25 PM, August 06, 2009)
13:06 jwagner @quote random
13:05 jwagner Thanks gmcharlt!
13:05 munin gmcharlt: The current temperature in FoxFire Woods, Gainesville, Florida is 8.9ï¿½C (8:03 AM EST on January 29, 2010). Conditions: Partly Cloudy. Humidity: 86%. Dew Point: 7.0ï¿½C. Windchill: 9.0ï¿½C. Pressure: 30.13 in 1020.2 hPa (Steady).
13:05 gmcharlt @wunder 32605
13:05 munin jwagner: The current temperature in Potomac, Maryland is -7.8ï¿½C (7:53 AM EST on January 29, 2010). Conditions: Clear. Humidity: 44%. Dew Point: -18.0ï¿½C. Windchill: -8.0ï¿½C. Pressure: 30.25 in 1024.3 hPa (Rising).
13:05 jwagner @wunder 20817
13:05 jwagner Yay! munin is back!!!
13:03 munin imp: The current temperature in Hannover, Germany is 0.0ï¿½C (1:00 PM CET on January 29, 2010). Conditions: Snow. Humidity: 93%. Dew Point: 0.0ï¿½C. Pressure: 29.04 in 983 hPa (Falling).
13:03 imp @wunder hannover germany
13:02 paul_p hello world
13:02 gmcharlt quiet, you
13:02 munin gmcharlt: Error: "was" is not a valid command.
13:02 gmcharlt munin was alive, but apparently gave up trying to reconnect - I've kicked it
13:01 munin gmcharlt: Quote #9: "pianohacker ponders drumstick->ear as a method of food acquisition...We haven't gone to this good mexican restaurant in a while..." (added by wizzyrea at 04:23 PM, June 19, 2009)
13:01 gmcharlt @quote random
12:53 jwagner At least the channel is back....
12:53 kf no munin :(
12:52 jwagner No munun???
12:52 jwagner @wunder 20817
11:36 amadan1 as in 3.00.05 or 3.0.5?
11:34 nahuel it's 3.0.5 not 3.05
11:30 amadan1 very well then will try it and then set it up in production
11:27 chris_n heya Ropuch
11:27 Ropuch Hi chris_n
11:27 Ropuch ;>
11:27 * chris_n pokes munin and says "Wake up!"
11:26 chris_n @wunder 28334
11:26 Ropuch :)
11:26 Ropuch I would recommend 3.05
11:26 amadan1 so would you recommend 3.01, or 3.04
11:19 Ropuch I have production od debian, but before i push any changes/upgrades I'm tesing it locally on Linux Mint / Ubuntu
11:19 Ropuch s/shuold/should
11:19 Ropuch Actually ubuntu and all its forks shuold be ok
11:16 nahuel :)
11:16 nahuel Debian is the better
11:11 amadan1 Basically. I'm running debian lenny and looking for a production friendly koha version to run for my university
11:05 amadan1 which OS if i may ask
11:04 nahuel all our clients :)
11:04 amadan1 Has any one put 3.05 on production yet?
11:03 nahuel 3.0.5
11:03 amadan1 What is the most stable version of koha that can be put on production?
11:02 amadan1 Hi Folks.
10:05 chris hmm munin didnt come back, but it looks like the rest of the world did
10:04 chris @wunder wellington, nz
10:03 chris since about 9pm
10:03 chris seems alright now
10:02 si and move the irc server to a different block
10:02 si if it's still munted tomorrow we might take matters into our own hands
10:01 si irc still down off site then?
08:49 chris s/and/are/
08:48 chris since routes to it and advertised on wix
08:48 chris that let the rest of us still get to it
08:47 chris its only due to the fact that katipo connect to their isp through the WIX
08:47 SelfishMan I think I'll just blame Cogent
08:47 chris you are pretty much screwed
08:46 chris well if the router between you and your upstream isp goes down
08:45 SelfishMan number of peers (assuming there are multiple peers) are usually less of an issue than the cost of a non-preferred route
08:44 chris not enough peering
08:44 chris underrated and badly done lots of the time
08:44 chris underrated is the problem
08:44 SelfishMan meh, routing is overrated
08:43 chris yeah it wont help if the upstream isp cant route your packets
08:43 chris its been up and down all day, but us nzers have all been fine
08:43 SelfishMan I even tried tunneling through multiple countries with no luck
08:43 chris hopefully they have fixed it for good now
08:43 chris that has a router that explodes
08:42 nahuel chris, what about openbgp ? :)
08:42 SelfishMan ah
08:42 SelfishMan chris: seriously?
08:42 chris its one of the big ISP's in nz
08:42 chris SelfishMan: its not katipo
08:42 braedon hopefully chocolate
08:42 braedon ...
08:41 nahuel logs
08:41 nahuel hmm
08:41 nahuel you can falsify proofs
08:40 nahuel ahah not in France
08:40 braedon logs == proofs
08:39 nahuel any proofs ?
08:38 SelfishMan :-P
08:38 SelfishMan THEY HATE ME I KNOW IT
08:38 nahuel hehe I think there is nothing against you
08:38 SelfishMan I should say that the log only shows the last 26 hours or so
08:37 SelfishMan I have about 26 hours worth of reconnect attempts to the IRC servers
08:37 nahuel SelfishMan, why do you say that ?
08:37 kf oh, someone is missing here
08:36 kf @wunder Konstanz
08:34 SelfishMan Why does Katipo hate my freedom?
08:34 kf feeling better?
08:34 kf hi chris
08:33 chris hi kf
08:33 kf good morning
07:02 pianohacker Hi Ropuch
07:02 Ropuch Hello pianohacker
07:02 Ropuch Hi brendan
07:02 pianohacker good evenin'
07:01 brendan night #koha
07:00 braedon evening Ropuch
06:45 Ropuch Morning #koha
06:31 pianohacker vokal++ # For sharing development
06:23 pianohacker good luck and good night
06:19 ebegin good night all... it's 1:15am overhere and I have a meeting at 6am... grrrr ;)
06:18 ebegin I think that the problem was more related to zebra having a accepting only numeric value. It's good to know. I looked a while before figuring it out... :\
06:15 pianohacker ebegin: Koha does a lot of numeric comparisons with itemlost; it might even be a numeric field in the db
05:42 ebegin Which represents the first letter of LOST word in french INTROUVABLE (Not Found), PERDU (Lost) and so on...
05:42 ebegin I used the previous system LOST values which was IN, PE, ...
05:39 * braedon files that away for later troubleshooting
05:38 braedon ahh, interesting
05:38 ebegin I change that for numeric value (0, 1, 2, ...) and it now works like a charm...
05:38 ebegin Koha doesn't like ALPHA values for LOST
05:37 ebegin I just found why...
05:37 ebegin Yeah, I checked that.
05:36 braedon s/inkohaadmin/in koha staff interface/
05:35 braedon have you checked database values vs authorised values for LOST inkohaadmin?
05:32 ebegin I'm looking for a reason why my LOST status is not saved... any idea? I'm using Zebra
05:03 * braedon waves goodbye to #koha
05:02 braedon if anyone has any ideas on the aforementioned issue, i will be back on in half an hour or so
05:01 braedon should have gone home an hour ago
05:01 braedon hmm, 6pm
04:56 braedon http://img121.imageshack.us/img121/5095/staffl.png
04:56 braedon http://img85.imageshack.us/img85/7729/opac.png
04:54 braedon uploading screen somewhere, just a sec
04:54 braedon s/sit/it/
04:53 braedon not in opac-detail.pl
04:53 braedon well, sit works in detail.pl
04:53 braedon in detail.pl
04:53 braedon yip, subject info is in 650s
04:53 masonj your subject info lives in 600-699 fields, in your bibs?
04:50 masonj or search.pl screen?
04:50 masonj in detail.pl screen?
04:49 masonj screenshot?
04:49 braedon subjects show in OPAC when XSLT is on
04:49 braedon na, XSLT is off
04:48 masonj XSLT in the opac, no XSLT in staff
04:48 masonj yeah, thats prolly it...
04:47 brendan hmmm do you have XSLT on?
04:35 braedon latest git 3.0.x, (was doing it in 3.0.5 also)
04:34 braedon hmm, anyone know what could cause OPAC to not display any subjects for some(most) books, when they will display in staff client?
04:17 * brendan loves it when something finally makes sense
04:12 Amit he ebegin
04:11 ebegin Hi Amit! ;)
03:34 IrmaCalyx Hi
03:30 SelfishMan wow, finally reconnected
03:26 brendan hi amit
03:05 chris_n g'night
02:51 chris thanks richard, beat me looking them up
02:51 richard actually, http://lists.koha.org/mailman/listinfo/koha-win32 might be better
02:50 richard http://lists.koha.org/pipermail/koha-win32/
02:48 chris maybe the koha-win32 list would be a good place to ask
02:47 chris im afraid no one uses 2.2.9 anymore im afraid Steven .. no one here anyway
02:46 Steven 2.9 sorry
02:46 Steven do u all have the debug version of fines2.pl for koha 2.0?
02:40 richard well, they are having problems with a router, apparently
02:40 ebegin richard, oups... that's bad
02:39 richard not so much the server as the isp
02:39 ebegin Hey pianohacker. What's up? :)
02:38 ebegin Still having some problem with the irc server...?
02:38 richard looks like telstraclear have got their act together ..... maybe
02:38 richard hi ebegin
02:37 ebegin hi #koha!
00:55 owen Looks like something went wrong with the first two lines of updatedatabase.pl
00:38 IrmaCalyx Might you be able to upgrade to Koha 3.0?
00:35 IrmaCalyx I remember that the fines in 2.2.9 were buggy
00:27 Steven or is it the fines2.pl script cant run under koha 2.2.9....?
00:23 Steven i cant generate the overdue fine for my library
00:23 Steven fines2.pl
00:23 Steven can anybody tell me...how come the finies2.pl script cant run for koha2.2.9?
00:22 Steven yaya
00:19 IrmaCalyx You need some help?
00:18 IrmaCalyx hi Steven - welcome to #Koha
00:18 nod you may not get an answer right away but ask it anyway
00:17 nod Steven: dont worry about asking to ask, just ask :)
00:10 Steven i need some help
00:10 Steven hi anyone there?