Time Nick Message 00:04 nod chris: you see all that talk about SMS's on nzoss? 00:04 nod School Management Sytems that is 01:14 chris nod: my brain is pretty fried, ill try to catch up tomorrow 01:40 Steven hi...anybody there? 01:40 Steven i m using Koha2.9 01:41 Steven how come my Koha system didnt calculate overdue fine autimatically....eventhrough i have done the setting for issuing rules and there is 1 book is overdue 01:43 Steven can anybody help me 01:47 Steven anybody there 01:48 chilts sorry Steven, I can't help ... there are others around though (but remember, irc is a non-interactive messaging system, people might be away or busy) :) 01:48 chilts someone will answer if they can :) 01:50 Steven thzx 01:50 Steven you have this problem? 01:52 chilts not to my knowledge, though I do know that 2.9 is an older version of the software, there are newer versions which you might want to try 01:55 Steven i know....just tat my college is running under Windows platform 02:10 Steven anyone can guide me on fines running scripts 02:45 chris_n2 gmcharlt: sorry, my question was regarding the search url's given above 03:37 Amit hi chris 03:37 Amit morning #koha 03:43 masonj hiya amit 03:43 Amit heya mason 03:44 masonj long time no chat, how is everything over there? 03:44 masonj busy with much koha stuff? 03:44 Amit mason: yes after long time everything is fine here 03:44 masonj i have just started playing with koha3 on a debian AMD64 dual-core box 03:45 masonj you have already done this AMD64, yes? 03:45 masonj 1 year ago, even? 03:45 Amit yes i have already done on 64bit OS 03:46 Amit on centos 03:46 masonj centos AMD64? 03:46 Amit no Centos 64 bit OS 03:46 Amit not on AMD64 03:46 Amit what about koha performance with AMD64 03:48 masonj aaah... 03:48 masonj CentOS-5 x86_64 (AMD64 and Intel EMT64) architectures. 03:49 masonj centos x86_64 = debian AMD64 03:49 Amit Intel 03:49 Amit ok 03:51 masonj i have not started benchmarking 32bit and 64bit systems yet 03:51 Amit ok 03:51 masonj im curious to see if there are any performance improvements to 64bit koha 03:52 masonj i will get back to you with my results ;) 03:54 masonj fyi: http://www.debian.org/ports/amd64/ 03:54 Amit k 03:57 richard hey masonj and Amit 03:57 masonj heya richard 03:57 richard how long have had koha set up on the AMD64 box? 03:57 masonj bout 2 days ;) 03:58 richard :) 03:58 masonj twas a *very* easy setup tho 03:58 si hlt has been on amd64 koha for a while 03:59 masonj i was expecting to compile the yaz/zebra stuff myself at least, but no.. 03:59 si lets you address more RAM, and they have > 4GB RAM on their servers 04:01 masonj i wanna see what the difference is between a 32bit-PAE install, and a AMD64 install 04:01 masonj performance wise... which i can actually do now :) 04:03 Amit heya richard 04:04 Amit heya si 04:52 brendan night #koha 04:52 brendan :) 05:52 Steven anybody there? 05:58 Steven 15nybody 05:59 Steven anybody 06:06 Amit hi steven 06:11 Steven cant help me 06:12 Steven can u? 06:12 Steven i m wondering how come my koha 2.9 didnt generate the overdue fine automatically... 06:25 Steven i m wondering how come my koha 2.9 didnt generate the overdue fine automatically... 20:45 brendan hi 20:45 chris_n wb #koha 20:46 chris :) 20:46 chris_n heya chris 20:46 chris_n feeling any better? 20:46 brendan heya chris 20:47 chris a bit, still pretty crappy, but getting better 20:47 pianohacker Hello again oceania 20:47 * chris_n munges through C4::Search 20:48 chris_n complaining bitterly as I go 20:48 pianohacker no other way to do it, that's a grubby module 20:48 chris_n chris: you up to a question? 20:50 wizzyrea Ahh, it's like putting on your slippers 20:51 * walter hangs out in #koha for a little 20:51 moodaepo wizzyrea++ 20:51 walter not something i do very often 20:51 wizzyrea it's a shame really 20:51 wizzyrea ;) 20:51 brendan hi walter 20:51 chris_n wizzyrea++ 20:51 chris_n hi walter 20:51 walter hey brendan and everyone 20:51 gmcharlt hi walter 20:51 wizzyrea what'd I do? 20:52 chris_n @quote add <wizzyrea> Ahh, it's like putting on your slippers 20:52 munin chris_n: Error: You must be registered to use this command. If you are already registered, you must either identify (using the identify command) or add a hostmask matching your current hostmask (using the "hostmask add" command). 20:52 walter i'm usually hanging out in #kete and #katipo, of course 20:52 wizzyrea Oh THAT 20:52 chris_n wow, sorry munin 20:53 gmcharlt @quote add <wizzyrea> Ahh, it's like putting on your slippers 20:53 munin gmcharlt: The operation succeeded. Quote #52 added. 20:53 chris chris_n: yep whats up? 20:53 jwagner So nice to have everyone back :-) 20:53 brendan @wunder 93117 20:53 munin brendan: The current temperature in Northwest Goleta, Goleta, California is 16.3�C (12:46 PM PST on January 28, 2010). Conditions: Clear. Humidity: 62%. Dew Point: 9.0�C. Pressure: 29.99 in 1015.5 hPa (Falling). 20:54 chris_n chris: C4::Search... about line 1099 20:54 chris yep 20:54 chris_n you submitted a patch that commented out $query =~ s/:/=/g; 20:55 chris_n this causes a bunch of links in opac-detail.pl to break 20:55 chris_n so 20:55 chris_n $query =~ s/(?<=(ti|au|pb|su|an|kw|mc)):/=/g; 20:55 chris_n appears to be a more tolerable workaround 20:55 chris that's better 20:55 chris yup 20:55 chris_n do you see any problem if I submit that change? 20:56 * chris_n thinks it is preferable to the many code changes required otherwise 20:56 gmcharlt still breaks a lot of stuff 20:56 chris nope, that seems like a much nicer one, the original problem broke any searches that had : in them 20:56 chris_n and the query parser ought to be fixed 20:56 gmcharlt as any other ccl indexes that people may have built permalinks off of would still be broken 20:56 chris_n gmcharlt: but less stuff than before :-) 20:56 chris yeah, the whole C4/Search is slated for a rewrite 20:57 jwagner chris or chris_n, is this going to solve the problem of searching for a title like 3:10 to Yuma? (can't search if it has the colon in it)? 20:57 chris jwagner: it fixed that 20:57 chris_n I'm not sure I've caught all of the limit operators or not 20:57 jwagner YEAH!!!!! 20:57 chris but it broke other stuff 20:57 chris the other stuff is what we are trying to fix 20:57 jwagner Oh, well, win some/lose some.... 20:58 chris_n gmcharlt: do you agree that this is a less havoc-wreaking fix then the former? 20:58 jwagner But the _end result_ is going to be a fix for the 3:10 type search, right? (she said hopefully) 20:58 chris yep 20:58 jwagner to quote wizzyrea: Squeeeeeee 20:58 chris_n lol 20:59 chris it was pretty hugely broken, in that anything with a : couldnt be searched on 20:59 gmcharlt chris_n: it is, but none of our options are particularly good 20:59 wizzyrea !!! 20:59 wizzyrea my work here is done. 20:59 * wizzyrea has passed on her memes, and now has no reason to exist 20:59 jwagner Don't worry, I'll hand them right back. 20:59 * gmcharlt waggles finger at chris, though - breaking OPAC search links, though? 20:59 chris_n then I'll submit this fix and mark the other patch as deprecated 21:01 chris cool thanks, yeah that second patch (the quick comment out) was ill advised 21:03 chris that whole query parser is just a big mess 21:04 gmcharlt chris: who's lined up to redo C4::Search? 21:04 chris no one has been crazy enough to volunteer yet 21:05 cait hi all 21:05 chris im thinking it would be better split into 2 modules 21:05 chris one being the parser, another that does the search 21:05 gmcharlt s/lined up/silly enough to be standing around so that we can dragoon them into/ 21:06 gmcharlt + possibly a URL rewriter to handle old style search links - I suspect that as part of rewriting the parser, we'll have to constrain the syntax it accepts a bit 21:07 chris yeah i think a tighter syntax that is more consistently parsed is the win 21:07 * chris_n runs out of the room screaming 21:07 chris heh 21:07 imp :D 21:07 cait :) 21:08 imp is there a formal definition of the /language/ the parser should be able to parse? 21:08 chris_n imp: all of them :-) 21:08 gmcharlt yeah, there are several - CCL itself is ill-defined 21:08 gmcharlt there's CQL 21:09 gmcharlt there's the Google-style type syntax that most people *really* want 21:12 * imp wrote a parser for a programming language at the uni 21:12 cait swp? 21:12 imp but i never wrote anything big in perl 21:13 chris sounds like imp just volunteered to me 21:13 chris :) 21:13 cait poor imp 21:13 chris_n hehe 21:13 imp cait: nope, "programming languages and compilers", the practical exercise 21:13 jwagner I definitely heard that too! 21:13 cait he has to learn for an exam, dont help him to avoid it 21:14 imp cait: pssst ;) 21:14 cait ;) 21:14 imp :D 21:14 chris_n in opac-search.pl: exactly what information is this line supposed to convey: Availability: Copies available: Jones Library (1), Jones Library (1), 21:16 gmcharlt branch (number items not checked out, lost, or missing) - although duplication is odd 21:16 chris_n exactly 21:17 chris_n the logic is out of sync with the display 21:17 chris_n searchResults counts each item available separately regardless of if it is a duplicate copy or not 21:18 * chris_n adds another item to the fix list of C4::Search 21:19 imp just remind me next week and i'll take a look if it's something possible to do for me 21:20 chris cool 21:21 chris_n bbl 21:21 hdl_laptop chris_n: 21:21 hdl_laptop again, 21:22 hdl_laptop nahuel sent fixes for the C4/Search on 3.0 21:23 hdl_laptop bug 3584 21:23 munin 04Bug http://bugs.koha.org/cgi-bin/bugzilla3/show_bug.cgi?id=3584 major, PATCH-Sent, ---, nahuel.angelinetti@biblibre.com, ASSIGNED, Set a default index to search on. 21:23 hdl_laptop But it hard codes all the ccl rather than getting it from the ccl.properties files. 21:23 chris hi pmlozeau 21:24 pmlozeau hi chris 21:24 hdl_laptop sorry... was back reading logs. 21:24 pmlozeau finally learning and understanding how irc works 21:24 chris :) 21:24 pmlozeau yep total newb 21:25 hdl_laptop chris_n: maybe this kind of thing is what you want to do. 21:25 hdl_laptop http://git.biblibre.com/cgi-bin/gitweb.cgi?p=koha;a=commit;h=0cd0da000b6d7903c9a23000163ed9f87d0ab540 21:26 hdl_laptop But indeed, C4::Search needs serious work 21:27 hdl_laptop getting facets and process of items for status out of the getRecords would be first step 21:29 hdl_laptop gmcharlt: chris I am really really concerned about C4::Search. 21:29 hdl_laptop But redesign would be really really not trivial. 21:30 gmcharlt hdl_laptop: yeah, redoing it is not an option for 3.2 - we'll have to keep the spit-and-bailing-wire going 21:30 hdl_laptop I can see two modules at least. Query and Engine with submodules. 21:30 gmcharlt but I agree that it would be nice to have it be a priority for 3.4 21:31 hdl_laptop gmcharlt: I would not even scare everyone out of 3.2 with such an idea ;) 21:32 hdl_laptop I think it would be good to be able to discuss such things with more ppl... 21:32 gmcharlt hdl_laptop: possible could break it down further - QueryParser, Search, Search::Zebra, Search::NoZebra (if we must ;), Search::Solr, etc. + ResultsFormatter 21:32 chris yeah 21:32 jwagner hdl_laptop, hackfest or virtual hackfest? 21:33 chris monolithic_modules-- 21:33 hdl_laptop jwagner: should be organised with some virtual rooms. 21:33 hdl_laptop Circulation - Serials - items - Search engine. 21:34 jwagner There ought to be some way to schedule regular virtual hackfests. Not everyone is going to get to NZ for Kohacon, and any regional meetings aren't going to include everyone. 21:34 hdl_laptop And planned by order of priority 21:34 hdl_laptop and complexity 21:34 hdl_laptop I forgot DBIx::Class 21:34 hdl_laptop TT2..... 21:34 hdl_laptop Well days are only 24 hours ;) 21:35 gmcharlt hdl_laptop: you forgot C4::TimeMachine 21:35 jwagner and C4::CloneDeveloper 21:35 cait hdl_laptop: yes, someone should rewrite that... need more hours 21:35 cait ;) 21:36 chris c4::search is rapidly moving to my top priority for 3.4 21:36 hdl_laptop jwagner: developer is one thing, brain somtimes seems to be other one ;) 21:36 imp just get everybody on a plane and let's travel with the sun -> more hours per day ;) 21:36 chris but the good thing is it isnt contigent on any of the other work 21:36 chris ok im going to get some more sleep, try to shake off this flu 21:37 hdl_laptop Well... speaking of TimeMachine.... My inner machine is going down for some rest see you ;) 21:37 wizzyrea yes, I encourage this 21:59 schuster Owen gone yet? 21:59 schuster catch him tomorrow... 22:00 schuster @later tell owen - can you look at bug 2930? Is this something that is a template change or??? It is an enhancement, but would seem to be fairly easy. 22:00 munin schuster: The operation succeeded. 23:28 masonj . 23:28 chris lets hope telstraclear dont bust their routes again 23:29 brendan and we're back 23:30 masonj i was all set to send a ranty email to the list, bout TC... looks like i wont need to now 23:31 chris_n masonj: at least not for the next minute or so ;-) 23:32 imp maybe somebody should put the freenode channel here into the topic too? 23:33 imp or is the irc server really unreachable, even for the ones on the same network? 23:34 rhcl For US libraries needing a Koha server, or maybe even for vendors to suggest to library clients for a server to minimize costs... 23:35 rhcl this might be one option... http://www.techsoup.org/stock/Category.asp?catalog_name=TechSoupMain&category_name=Sun&Page=1 23:39 rhcl If you can work with Solaris 10 anyway. :) 23:39 imp rhcl: the hardware sounds great :) (and i guess it's loud as hell :D) 23:40 rhcl Well, I just ordered two. I'll let you know. :) But I have a server room that's already loud. 23:40 imp ok :D 23:41 rhcl But yea, the specs are pretty decent.... 8 GB of memory, dual SCSI drives, dual Opteron CPU's, DVD... 23:41 rhcl just need to add a data disk 23:42 imp my experience is, the older sun products are loud and at the lower frequency range, the new ones are /screaming/ more or less higher ;) 23:42 rhcl Well, nothing can be as bad as the old Compaq G1's and G2's. 23:43 imp dunno, never heard one :D 23:52 CGI899 hello all, We are doing our first import into koha and want to know about how long does it take to import the file into koha?