Time Nick Message 00:17 brendan @wunder 06516 00:17 munin brendan: The current temperature in DopplerDon.com, East Haven, Connecticut is 3.5�C (7:15 PM EST on January 18, 2010). Conditions: Clear. Humidity: 81%. Dew Point: 1.0�C. Windchill: 3.0�C. Pressure: 29.85 in 1010.7 hPa (Rising). 00:17 brendan @wunder 93117 00:17 munin brendan: The current temperature in Northwest Goleta, Goleta, California is 14.7�C (4:11 PM PST on January 18, 2010). Conditions: Scattered Clouds. Humidity: 83%. Dew Point: 12.0�C. Pressure: 29.69 in 1005.3 hPa (Rising). Wind Advisory in effect until 6 PM PST this evening... 00:29 chris_n2 looks like chris is getting ready to present Koha 00:59 chris gah 00:59 chris i feel like i talked way too fast then 01:00 russ heh - always the way 01:01 chris_n2 nice presentation chris 01:01 chris_n2 chris++ 01:04 chris thanks 01:07 gmcharlt chris++ 01:20 chris made some good contacts to talk with in the evenings too 01:32 * chris_n2 performs the obligatory daily reboot of his XP box 01:32 chris_n2 brb 01:32 chris_n2 exit 01:32 chris_n2 heh 03:42 Amit heya brendan, chris 03:43 Amit morning #koha 03:52 chris_n2 howdy Amit 03:53 Amit heya chris_n2 04:10 Amit @wunder Bangalore india 04:10 munin Amit: The current temperature in Bangalore, India is 19.0�C (8:30 AM IST on January 19, 2010). Conditions: Haze. Humidity: 85%. Dew Point: 18.0�C. 04:22 chris_n2 @wunder 28334 04:22 munin chris_n2: The current temperature in Dunn, North Carolina is 6.6�C (11:20 PM EST on January 18, 2010). Conditions: Clear. Humidity: 92%. Dew Point: 5.0�C. Windchill: 7.0�C. Pressure: 29.59 in 1001.9 hPa (Steady). 05:04 chris_n2 g'night #koha 05:50 richard i wonder when 3.2's release date is 06:05 Amit heya richard 06:05 richard hiya Amit 07:09 nicomo morning all 07:31 chris hi all 07:36 kf hi chris 08:07 toins morni 08:07 toins morning all ! 09:10 nicomo morning Mr toins 09:10 toins hello nicomo 09:10 toins what's up ? 09:23 hdl_laptop hello toins 09:23 toins hello hdl_laptop 09:35 chris @wunder wellington nz 09:35 munin chris: The current temperature in Wellington, New Zealand is 18.0�C (10:00 PM NZDT on January 19, 2010). Conditions: Scattered Clouds. Humidity: 77%. Dew Point: 14.0�C. Pressure: 29.92 in 1013 hPa (Rising). 09:35 chris hmm, it feels hotter than that 09:35 toins @wunder marseille france 09:35 munin toins: The current temperature in Marseille, France is 4.0�C (10:00 AM CET on January 19, 2010). Conditions: Clear. Humidity: 93%. Dew Point: 3.0�C. Windchill: 4.0�C. Pressure: 30.18 in 1022 hPa (Steady). 09:36 chris thats pretty humid .. looks like rain today for you 09:39 toins nope, is it sunny 09:39 toins and temperature is 3 times higher... 09:39 toins wunder-- 09:43 magnus @wunder bodo, norway 09:43 munin magnus: The current temperature in Bodo, Norway is -1.0�C (10:20 AM CET on January 19, 2010). Conditions: Light Snow. Humidity: 93%. Dew Point: -2.0�C. Windchill: -8.0�C. Pressure: 30.12 in 1020 hPa (Steady). 09:44 chris http://gearman.org/ <-- this looks interesting 09:48 chris as does http://mysql-mmm.org/ 09:48 chris (things i learnt about in the last 2 days) 09:57 Ropuch Morning #koha 10:23 chris ok, time for sleep 10:23 toins good night chris ! 13:31 chris_n g'morning 13:33 nengard morning 13:35 * jwagner opens bleary eye 13:35 jwagner Good morning, I think.... 13:35 owen Hi 13:35 * chris_n passes out coffee/tea... your choice 13:35 jwagner Already almost through the first cup of tea. It's not helping.... 13:35 chris_n owen: thanks for the excellent blogs on customizing opac 13:36 chris_n jwagner: your supposed to drink it, not pour it into your eyes ;-) 13:36 owen You bet. I'm just sorry I've been too busy to do more 13:36 chris_n owen: they saved me hours of time I'm sure 13:36 jwagner chris_n, so THAT'S what I've been doing wrong!!! 13:37 chris_n did any of you get to see chris's presentation on koha yesterday? 13:37 chris_n he did a great job 13:37 owen You watched it online chris_n? 13:38 chris_n yes 13:38 * chris_n wishes he could have flown to NZ, but did not think he could make it back in time for work today :-) 13:40 chris_n owen: I had a bit of a problem with the clearfix class and my list menu 13:41 chris_n applying the clearfix class caused the first item in the menu to be elevated vertically above the others 13:41 chris_n it turns out the hidden "." was causing this 13:42 owen Interesting...I've never seen that. 13:42 chris_n and setting the 'content' parameter to " " rather than "." fixed it 13:42 chris_n I read multiple articles and all said to set content: "." 13:42 * owen thinks, CSS quirks? Why haven't I heard of this before? 13:42 chris_n so I'm not sure if there is an issue from higher up in my css that may be causing the problem or not 13:43 * chris_n is very, very green at CSS and web design in general 13:43 owen The C in CSS pretty much means all bets are off when it comes to code re-use 13:44 chris_n but I don't see where using a space rather than a period would affect things adversely 13:45 owen I wonder if there was a good reason for the original creator of the hack to have chosen it 13:45 * chris_n thinks CSS is a bit more magic and arcane than perl 13:45 chris_n yeah, I don't know 13:47 chris_n I could not seem to debug it even with firebug 13:47 owen Good morning schuster 13:50 schuster Hey great wizard of css and javascript owen! and Chris_n buddy extraordinary! 13:50 chris_n howdy schuster 13:50 schuster just read an ad for a super heros contest... 13:51 * chris_n was wondering what was in schuster's coffee ;-) 13:52 jwagner What I'd like to know is how you WIN the super heroes contest? 13:52 hdl_laptop hi everyone 13:52 chris_n owen: do you have any suggestions on where to find a *good* reference for CSS syntax 13:52 jwagner Bonjour hdl_laptop 13:53 chris_n hey hdl_laptop 13:53 chris_n howdy gmcharlt 13:53 gmcharlt greetings from the airport 13:53 hdl_laptop hi gmcharlt. 13:54 owen chris_n: I find the Sitepoint references handy: http://reference.sitepoint.com/css 13:54 owen Productive conference gmcharlt ? 13:55 gmcharlt owen: certainly informative - upshot, at least regarding the big news, is that things are very much in the air 13:55 owen yeah, we shouldn't really have expected anything more 13:56 owen We can always hope for bold moves I suppose 13:58 gmcharlt missed opportunity - this conference would have been perfect time to make such moves 13:59 gmcharlt the deal isn't finalized yet, of course, so obviously that has to happen before PTFS would make any larger announcements 13:59 Nate Hi everyone! 14:01 chris_n gmcharlt: that is some hope 14:32 * owen isn't feeling much like a CSS wizard today, fighting with a WebKit oddity this morning. 14:32 owen Safari for Windows isn't getting any interest around here but Chrome is. 14:37 schuster Just reading through the newsletter some interesting development items going on there... great job to Middletown and East brunswick and PTFS I'm looking forward to the did you mean feature!!! 14:38 schuster I was surprised though about the selfless plug for a new support company - spin off that looks probably much like LibLime did when Athens first started to use them... 14:40 chris_n schuster: which newsletter? 14:41 owen http://koha.web2learning.net/2010/01/volume-1issue-1-january-2010/#middle 14:41 chris_n owen: does the background image used in the menu at the top of the myacpl.org page scroll when hovered over? 14:42 * chris_n noticed the image has three different images in it with slightly different gradients on each one 14:43 owen Yes, the hover state of the link has a different background-position set 14:43 owen That allows you to use one image file instead of multiple ones. 14:44 chris_n that makes sense 14:44 jwagner schuster, on the Did You Mean thing, I haven't gotten around to writing it up for bugzilla yet, sorry. It uses an open source dictionary called Aspell, and I need to track down the dependencies (I think there's one other one). 14:44 owen chris_n: http://www.fiftyfoureleven.com/weblog/web-development/css/doors-meet-sprites 14:46 * owen visits the mtpl OPAC and reads "The AOL browser does not work with Koha" 14:47 owen I would like to add, "And Owen will drive to your house and punch you in the face if you use the AOL browser." 14:47 jwagner We've had major problems with users at MTPL getting kicked out as soon as they log in, and all of them that we've identified are using the AOL browser. I know there were always issues with it for Unicorn.... 14:47 owen Honestly, I didn't realize there still was such a thing as the AOL browser. 14:48 owen I should be so lucky. 14:48 nengard schuster - i'm confused as to what plug you're referring to? 14:48 jwagner Yep, you should be, owen. A small but vocal contingent of MTPL patrons still use it, anyway. 14:48 nengard was there something someone wrote that you think i should have edited out> 14:48 nengard ? 14:49 owen jwagner: How does one see the "did you mean" feature? 14:49 nengard owen - lawyers still love AOL - no friggin clue why - but that's the way it was when I was in the law library and I don't see that it has changed much 14:49 * owen boggles 14:49 jwagner owen, it's still in test right now. I hope we can move it to their production server in the next couple of weeks. 14:50 owen Okay jwagner, I misunderstood, thought it was live on their opac 14:50 jwagner Not yet. 14:51 jwagner Found my notes, the other dependency is Text::Aspell.pm 14:51 owen jwagner: Were you aware that Koha at one time had a similar feature? 14:52 owen http://bugs.koha.org/cgi-bin/bugzilla3/show_bug.cgi?id=2539 14:52 munin 04Bug 2539: normal, P3, ---, jmf@liblime.com, NEW, kohaspsuggest is deprecated, notes outmoded 14:52 jwagner Yes, we saw the existing code & built off it. Made life much easier :-) 14:53 owen The original version didn't use a spelling dictionary did it? It just checked against data in your catalog? 14:53 jwagner I don't know what the original did. Ours uses the Aspell dictionary. We're looking into how sites can add terms to the dictionary, either locally or perhaps through the Aspell list/site. 14:54 jwagner MTPL came up with a bunch of terms that the dictionary didn't match. 14:57 owen jwagner: Please do file a bug report when you get a chance so others can follow your progress 14:57 jwagner Will do. I want to clarify the techie end of it with the developer (the dependencies). 14:58 owen I know my library will love to see that one come down the pike. 14:59 jwagner Could use some input on it -- right now the code is hardcoded to suggest five terms. The number of possible suggestions is quite high. Would people prefer a syspref to allow the sites to control how many terms are suggested? From what I've seen in testing, it's pretty good at coming up with the proper term within that first five. 15:01 owen Many users will be accustomed to Google's *one* suggestion, but then Google never makes mistakes ;) 15:01 jwagner Of course not! 15:01 owen hdl_laptop here? 15:02 hdl_laptop yes 15:03 owen If I have a patch for biblibre/3.2_community should I send it directly to you? Or to the patches list (or both)? 15:03 gmcharlt I think all patches should go to patches@koha.org with a header indicating the target branch 15:03 hdl_laptop jwagner : probably Text::Aspell (for dependency) + aspell libs 15:03 owen What's the best way to do the header gmcharlt ? 15:04 gmcharlt subject line - [biblibre/3.2_community], e.g. 15:04 gmcharlt git-format-patch can be used to tweak the subject line 15:04 * owen thinks he has been told this before 15:05 hdl_laptop git format-patch --subject-prefix=3.2_community 15:05 hdl_laptop ... 15:05 hdl_laptop or even better : "biblibre/3.2_community" 15:06 hdl_laptop thus, you can tell the repo you want it to be on 15:08 owen Okay, looks like that worked. Thanks! 15:14 gmcharlt about to board a plane - see you later 15:32 owen I could use suggestions for a strange problem: I'm getting different results from a mysql command line query than I am from running a script in the browser 15:32 owen I've checked all the connection details and they're the same 15:38 hdl_laptop cached information ? 15:39 owen that's what I'm looking into. It's an external PHP script querying our Koha database. I've never seen it do this before. 15:41 slef predictable criticism of LCA-NZ from fsdaily http://www.fsdaily.com/Philosophy/A_free_software_conference_or_an_open_source_conference 16:31 * chris_n seems to remember that the HLT board meets today to review the draft Koha Committee Rules 16:35 chris_n wb gmcharlt 16:35 chris_n smooth flight? 16:37 gmcharlt so far - still in the air 16:39 wizzyrea gmcharlt is so epic he even chats while flying 16:39 wizzyrea you are def one of my geek heroes 16:39 chris_n arggg!! 16:40 * chris_n learns the very downside of having opac customizations stored in the db.... 16:40 wizzyrea :( you deleted them? 16:40 chris_n <--- overwrote his dev db while restoring the current production db to do a debug run 16:41 chris_n forgetting that small caveat 16:42 chris_n chris_n-- 16:42 munin chris_n: Error: You're not allowed to adjust your own karma. 16:43 chris_n at least I'm not having to explain to someone else why I deleted their data :-\ 16:43 jwagner chris_n, you have backups, of course :-) 16:45 * chris_n writes "I will always backup my data." 100xs instead of doing lunch :-) 16:47 Ropuch ;> 16:52 chris_n man do I <3 firebug... 16:52 chris_n it just saved my data 16:53 schuster nengard - http://millruntech.com/ 16:53 schuster I was away in a meeting. 16:53 owen chris_n: I once scoured the cache of multiple browsers and computers looking for a remnant of an opac customization I overwrote. 16:54 nengard schuster - oh okay - and do you not think that belonged in there? should I have edited that out? that's kind of what I'm asking 16:54 nengard it's Koha related news 16:54 nengard I don't mind advertising Koha services 16:55 nengard especially when they're from such a trusted source as Kyle and Crawford 16:55 chris_n owen: the data was loaded, but hidden in the syspref admin form; poking around with firebug I saw it and grabbed it... 16:55 * chris_n will now dutifully back up his data... even if it is only development data :-P 17:07 gmcharlt nengard: *advertise* in the newsletter? that's a swamp of controversy, in my opinion; I think a news item is OK, and I don't think there is an issue with that item as such 17:08 nengard gmcharlt advertise was a bad word - basically i didn't see that news item as a problem either 17:08 nengard i don't mind 'mentioning' koha related services in news items - how's that for wording? 17:10 gmcharlt I think that's OK, but be careful - it is the place of the newsletter to provide useful news, but not to go beyond that, IMO 17:14 nengard you don't think it's 'useful' to know that crawford is now helping other libraries who want koha? or are we still talking about future articles and saying that Kyle's was a-ok? 17:15 slef I think we're talking about future. That was OK IMO. 17:15 gmcharlt nengard: I'm with slef 17:15 * owen agrees 17:15 nengard okey dokey 17:15 * chris_n agrees 17:15 nengard will do 17:15 gmcharlt as I said, the news item is OK 17:16 slef Anyone here know about KohaCon 2010 organisation or should I wait for chris to awake? 17:16 gmcharlt slef: check with chris 17:16 gmcharlt though IIRC, he'll take any and all help with organizing it 17:17 nengard gmcharlt is right - chris wants any and all help 17:17 slef most importantly, http://kohacon.appspot.com/2010/registration/ seems to be blank 17:17 nengard and suggestions 17:17 slef and I mean blank as in looks like crashed, not just blank as in empty page 17:18 gmcharlt as far as the general issue goes - library willing to help others, cool - they can talk about it as much as they want; a library commercializing such help, though, is moving into vendor territory, and with respect to marketing needs to be treated as neutrally as any other 17:19 slef I hope kyle was OK with me sneaking "reportedly its “new support company†submission form has been broken for weeks, which is irritating" into http://www.news.software.coop/the-koha-company-go-round/870/ 17:20 slef I'm fine with the checking on "gets a mention in the newsletter" being much more relaxed than the checking on getting listed on koha.org, by the way. 17:21 slef Anyone know what happened with the kudos meeting at #alamw10 and developer-members, by the way? 17:21 wizzyrea I heard the meeting was kind of a mess :( 17:21 owen Uh oh :( 17:21 slef oh dear :( 17:22 slef Last night I sent an email about it that I think I'd had in drafts for days 17:22 wizzyrea especially in comparison to the very professionally run LL/PTFS users group meeting 17:23 owen I didn't realize there was an official LL/PTFS users group meeting 17:23 gmcharlt wizzyrea: speaking of which, was the LLUG run by customer libraries or by LL staff? 17:23 wizzyrea PTFS staff, iiuc 17:24 owen Did PTFS have their own Koha customer user group? 17:24 wizzyrea they co-opted the LL user group meeting as their koha user group meeting, I think 17:25 slef So, PTFS is continuing the LL community fork as well as the LL software fork? 17:25 slef very sad :( 17:26 owen slef: you don't you think there is a role for a vendor-based user group? 17:26 slef owen: not in a free market, no. 17:26 * owen could see how they could be useful if member libraries used it to exert leverage on their vendor to affect service 17:26 schuster nengard - sorry I was away again... I Love the newletter don't get me wrong, I know there has been LOTS of controversy dealing with vendor relations in the past and if you were on the vendor support website or not blah blah blah... and then to see the link - go there and the about us refered you back to Kyle Hall but yet that company isn't on the support sit 17:26 schuster site yet... 17:27 owen What vendors are and are not on the support page yet doesn't have much relation to reality. 17:28 slef owen: I think it would be more effective if libraries formed a consumer co-op, rather than tried to hijack a vendor-controlled space. There's the perception that user groups will be closed by their sponsor if the PR from closing will be less than the PR damage the group is inflicting, which hinders free expression of users. 17:29 slef owen: but then, there are many other problems with purchasing library silence in this market, so ... 17:30 schuster I am not sure yet that PTFS realizes that KUDOS is INDEPENDENT of a vendor... 17:30 schuster And we want to be that way. 17:30 owen What do you mean they don't realize it? 17:31 schuster I will leave my comment about the newsletter drop now - I just wanted you to be aware of it. I remember in setting up KohaCon09 and the concerns about being as vendor neutral as possible. 17:31 owen schuster: The present situation is a complete bizzaro-world of that time. 17:32 wizzyrea lol, yes 17:33 cait hi #koha 17:33 schuster yep - and will continue until we have some concrete items out of PTFS as to their plans. 17:35 chris_n or concrete actions out of PTFS 17:36 * chris_n dislikes the waiting game personally 17:36 schuster We will be waiting until sometime in February I suspect once the actual handoff occurs - who knows maybe it won't go through. 17:38 wizzyrea lord help us if it doesn't 17:38 wizzyrea boy would we be screwed then 17:38 schuster OK back to a development/setup question - has anyone here run zebra on a different server than the production apache server? 17:39 chris slef: registration form hasnt been written yet 17:39 wizzyrea I am sure this has been done 17:39 chris and schuster, we STILL CANT EDIT THE WEBSITE, so the only place we can mention companies which should be on the website is the news letter 17:40 chris and if you remember kohacon09 was pushed to be anything but neutral, its only that others pushed back ... so lets not use what happened there .,. and the retarded pizzagate as an example 17:41 wizzyrea lol pizzagate 17:41 * chris catches up on scrollback 17:42 hdl_laptop hi chris hi cait 17:42 gmcharlt schuster: that's a possible setup, yes - you can configure Zebra to communicate over TCP/IP instead of a Unix socket 17:43 hdl_laptop schuster: I have 17:44 cait hi hdl_laptop 17:44 slef chris: can we replace the blank-as-in-crashed page with a page with info about expected registration dates and prices, please? 17:44 chris yep 17:44 chris for the record, its free 17:45 slef ok, thanks 17:46 chris andy and I might try to do that during a break at the conference today, altho i already have meetings scheduled for 2 of them :) so no promises 17:46 slef none expected 17:47 slef other thing I'm curious about is sponsorship info: what do you need/want? 17:52 chris ahh i have to update that too, biblibre have now promised some support 17:53 chris any and all offers, be it a pledge of some money to help pay for the venue .. or whatever else anyone is in a position to do 17:55 chris the venue costs about $4k nz all up 17:55 chris i have about 1700 of that covered, and i will get my bosses to cover a decent amount too 17:55 chris any more can be used for things like livestreaming 17:56 chris (international bandwidth = not free) 17:58 owen chris, you should ask participants to fill their carry-on baggage with bandwidth (in 3-oz containers obviously) 17:58 chris heh 17:58 chris seriously tho 17:58 chris if we do just record 17:58 chris and put it up later 17:59 chris giving someone a HD to take back would probably actually be cheaper 17:59 slef seriously - what should I be asking the co-op for? I'd rather give something useful. 18:00 slef uploading an HD is probably simple - I'd probably land in London not that far from our data centre 18:01 chris would the co-op be in the position to offer say 200 pounds? 18:02 chris with that we could get snacks and drinks for the 3 days easily 18:03 slef I think so, but I don't know what other plans members have for the community budget, so I'll ask. 18:03 owen I could go for 200 pounds of snacks...must be lunchtime. 18:03 gmcharlt chris: if we just do recordings, is there anybody known to be good at video editing? if not, and the co-op can help with that, that might be an option for in-kind support, 18:03 chris_n lol :-) 18:03 chris that would be cool 18:03 chris ahhh yeah, excellent idea 18:03 * gmcharlt is just tossing ideas around willy-nilly 18:03 chris yeah ideas are good 18:04 slef video editing causes me problems (eyesight and relevant hardware too far apart) but I'll ask the others 18:05 chris slef: speaking of eyesight i went to a great session on accessability and free software 18:05 slef cool... I should check out some videos. 18:06 chris http://accessibility.net.nz/ 18:08 slef ok, I've proposed those sponsorship ideas and I'll get a reply in due course 18:08 nengard owen is silly 18:08 nengard sorry - just catching up 18:08 nengard :) 18:08 owen I'm blaming the hunger 18:09 chris thanks slef 18:11 schuster What you didn't like my non professional videos that I put in the archive of the sessions? 18:12 schuster It was enough for me to get them digitized! 18:14 chris hehe 18:14 nengard Well - we certainly need a digital video recorder this time around 18:14 nengard that would make things easier in the long run 18:14 chris they were good, you could have done some editing work on my abs 18:14 chris though 18:14 nengard LOL 18:15 chris i was talkng to the ppl doing the filming at LCA, its all digital, im hoping to get them to do kohacon as well 18:16 schuster There's professional and then there's free... Key is to record the screen not the speaker too much in my experience on tech conferences. 18:17 nengard schuster - but what is the screen is boring? 18:17 nengard usually my screens are boring - what matters is what i'm saying 18:17 slef I have a DV cam, but it's pretty small and old. 18:17 slef The ideal would be a set up like Debconf VideoTeam 18:17 nengard i might be able to borrow a Flip --- but I don't know how much they store 18:21 * owen could lend one 18:26 chris heya sekjal 18:26 sekjal hey chris 18:30 sekjal so, I wanted to let everyone in here know that I'm working on drafting up a report on the KUDOS meeting last Saturday. Vicki took the notes, and is in transit today, so I'm waiting on her to be sure I got it all correct in my head 18:31 owen Thanks sekjal 18:32 sekjal I wanted to address the concerns folks had on the listserv about the membership language we had distributed last week 18:35 sekjal anyway, the end result is the bylaws will be inclusive for membership of both users and developers, with no "non-voting member" class 18:36 chris thats great news 18:38 sekjal we were trying hard to avoid a situation where there'd be a conflict of interest; the IRS is really strict about that in non-profits these days 18:39 gmcharlt sekjal++ 18:40 sekjal but we determined that could be more effectively handled at the policy level than the bylaws level, since we'll have to submit conflict of interest policy document, in either case 18:42 chris makes sense 18:43 sekjal Once Vicki gets safely back, we can get her notes summed up and distributed. I just wanted to say something quickly to address the concerns of the community 18:43 chris thanks for that 18:50 chris ok bus time 18:50 chris bbl 18:51 sekjal later, chris 19:04 chris_n sekjal: tnx 19:18 slef sekjal: thanks. If it's anything like the UK, as long as the non-profit is not engaging in trading, it's actually fine and people are a lot more scared about it than they need to be, which ends up in needlessly discriminating against the working class. 19:23 sekjal the goal is for KUDOS to eventually receive grant money for developing Koha, and solicit bids from developers to do the work. so long as people aren't in a position where they can award themselves any of the money, we should be just fine 19:31 richard hi 19:33 chris_n howdy richard 19:33 richard hiya chris_n 20:03 chris back 20:04 richard hi chris 20:16 chris bob from calyx just won a netbook 20:16 sekjal nice! congrats to bob 20:17 chris i won a book yesterday, koha is cleaning up at linux conf :) 20:17 wizzyrea hehe nice 20:18 chris_n neat 20:18 Ropuch :) 20:19 chris benjamin 'mako' hill up now 20:20 chris http://www.lca2010.org.nz/programme/schedule/video/mfc 20:20 chris talking about freedom 20:20 chris i recommend if yu have the time, to watch it, he is a super smart guy 20:23 wizzyrea oh I was finally kind of able to get the 56k stream 20:23 chris they are all being recorded to 20:23 chris o 20:34 chris_n owen: would you believe that the 'content: ".";' issue is firebug related? 20:34 owen Oh yeah? 20:36 chris_n switched FB off and the "." worked as advertised 20:36 chris_n switched it on and had various problems with the first block being positioned incorrectly 20:54 SelfishMan What is the latest official release? 20:54 wizzyrea 3.0.5 20:55 SelfishMan That's what I thought. 20:55 SelfishMan 3.0.4 is the latest on koha.org but that didn't seem right 20:55 chris its worse than that 20:55 chris go to the download page on there 20:55 chris it points you to 3.0.2 20:56 SelfishMan Worse is that I'm trying to support someone running 3.01.00.009 20:57 chris yeah, thats not even 3.0.x 20:57 chris thats like early early 3.2.x 20:57 SelfishMan former liblime contract 20:57 wizzyrea HAHA shock. 20:57 chris ah that would explain it 20:57 wizzyrea I think that's only a little behind where we are 20:58 wizzyrea well, "a little" = 60 or so DB revisions 20:58 schuster nengard - flips that we have each hold 1 hour and we didn't have them last year when I DV'd all of that. Then I had to get it off the DV into a usable format for the web. 20:59 SelfishMan this whole thing is a mess and I'm beyond fed up with it 20:59 chris you and me both 20:59 SelfishMan fscking politics 20:59 wizzyrea You should blog about the bad situation you've been put in :P 20:59 chris its not even that, its greed 20:59 wizzyrea by them 20:59 chris there are no politics involved 21:00 chris there is a landgrab .. and people trying to resist that 21:00 chris and ppl sitting on the fence 21:00 schuster conference stuff - Screen captures are good with voiceover - when I digitized I enhanced the sound quality before exporting them. 21:00 SelfishMan greed is a better definition 21:01 chris hopefully the soon to be owners of LL .. will realise the good business decision is to return to the model that got LL to where it was, before it forked and imploded 21:01 SelfishMan wizzyrea: not worth blogging about. 21:01 chris i hope they are smart enough too, otherwise i fear for LL clients 21:01 SelfishMan not when choosing not to renew a contract and very carefully stating why is so much more effective 21:02 chris SelfishMan++ 21:03 SelfishMan the question is if the new owners will carry the self-hosted people with support contracts 21:03 chris_n non-renewal++ 21:03 * chris_n has encouraged a client he does work for to do the same when the contract is up 21:03 chris_n what marc field are tags stored in by koha? 21:04 chris im not sure they are stored in any 21:04 chris but i might be wrong 21:04 chris_n hmm... "-t TTT to define the MARC fields/subfield to use to fill the tag cloud. If not defined, the cloud table won't be filled." 21:04 chris_n from build_browser_and_cloud.pl 21:10 schuster SelfishMan++ I am selfhosted... 21:10 schuster They already have a couple Middletown I believe is self hosted they tried the cloud and it was tooo slow for them. 21:11 SelfishMan schuster: we have major bandwidth issues at my library so I had to deploy in house for the catalog to even be acessible 21:11 SelfishMan I ned a new keyboard 21:11 schuster chris_n I believe that was an item Biblibre designed??? 21:11 wizzyrea that is a compelling reason to host internal 21:12 schuster That was the exact reason we host internally. We have a huge pipe, but when everyone is doing pandora it becomes a very full pipe. I don't want to compete and our networking people won't "carve" for specific purposes. 21:14 wizzyrea We have 30 geographically separate libraries using the same catalog, it's a compelling reason to cloud host. 21:14 schuster What I'm trying to get around is why we have items that are not getting checked in. We have a very busy morning daily and 3-5 items depending on the day don't get checked in even when the librarian 21:14 wizzyrea with 30 different ISP's 21:14 schuster swears they saw every title come up on the screen. When it is multiple campus' I tend to believe the librarians. 21:14 SelfishMan wizzyrea: the cloud makes sense for that 21:14 chris yeah thats a bug, the fix is to make the title not show up until it is verified being returned 21:15 chris speeding up is just glossing over the problem 21:15 schuster wizzyrea - yes that also makes your life easier in dealing with servers and pointing the finger - can you get to google? no then call your isp... 21:15 chris because then it will just occur less frequently 21:15 chris ok gotta go talk to ppl irl 21:15 chris back later 21:15 wizzyrea ooh, the morning tea break 21:16 * owen knows not this "irl" you speak of. Until quitting time. 21:16 schuster OK - thanks chris I understand what you are saying... need both though!!! speed to deal with the verification. 21:16 wizzyrea schuster: definitely. I think if we self hosted we would still cloud host it 21:16 wizzyrea wowie, our local ISP has the worst on hold music ever 21:16 wizzyrea it's like a kids lullaby cd or something 21:17 wizzyrea not that those aren't wonderful, but it's kind of annoying hold music, mostly because flutes don't translate so well over the phone 21:18 Ropuch I'm gonna make "Worst on-hold music of teh decade" some day ;. 21:19 chris_n schuster: I think tags were done by LL iirc 21:20 chris_n bbl 21:20 owen tags yes, but I think build_browser_and_cloud.pl looks at subject headings 21:29 hdl_laptop chris_n those tage you are referring to are merly subjects in the biblio displayed as tag cloud. 21:29 hdl_laptop Nothing to do with user tagging 21:32 hdl_laptop I have to go to bed. 21:37 schuster jwagner around? 21:38 schuster drat missed her. 21:44 schuster ok wizzyrea - I think I've asked you this, but need to bring it back to the forfront. 21:46 schuster Do you have specific instructions on things you do when you add another location? Instructions written down? 21:47 schuster I know it is a matter of "just adding another location" but wanted to make sure there aren't other things that need to be "setup" 21:50 wizzyrea ooh, good question. Let me ask my folks 21:50 wizzyrea I think we do 21:50 wizzyrea one sec 21:52 schuster peeps I love having peeps... 21:53 wizzyrea schuster: check your PMS 21:53 wizzyrea PMs. Criminy 21:53 chris tell people that, loudly, ... seriously cutting off peeps is the danger we face 21:53 wizzyrea it really is 21:53 wizzyrea and I lurve my koha peeps 21:55 wizzyrea I have an impatient: schuster! 21:59 schuster nengard is back be careful what you say! 21:59 schuster Kidding... ;) 22:03 chris back in atlanta gmcharlt ? 22:04 gmcharlt chris: back home in Gainesville 22:04 chris ahhh ssh'd into work eh? the usermask through me off 22:04 chris threw 22:14 cait night #koha 22:16 magnus chris: i just turned on memcached, but it doesn't seem to have much impact. is there a good way to verify if its working? 22:16 chris yes 22:17 chris it wont do anything for a start, unless you edit your koha-conf.xml 22:17 schuster thanks all... have a great evening/day 22:17 chris but if you have done that 22:17 chris to verify it is doing something 22:17 chris telnet 127.0.0.1 11211 22:18 magnus memcached_servers should/could look like 127.0.0.2:11211 ? 22:19 chris then type stats 22:19 chris yeah 22:19 magnus -bash: telnet: command not found :-( 22:19 chris heh 22:19 chris apt-get install telnet 22:20 magnus hm "STAT get_hits 0" doesn't sound too promising... 22:21 chris <memcached_servers>127.0.0.2:11211</memcached_servers> 22:21 chris ack session finished, need to walk 22:22 magnus walk the walk! ;-) 22:24 magnus oh well, time for bed anyways, will investigate more tomorrow. g'night, folks 22:27 * chris_n2 puts flounder in the oven 22:27 chris ok back sitting down again 22:30 chris next talk is "Which databases solve my problem - a survey of open source databases" 22:37 wizzyrea Ahh, that sounds interesting 22:37 wizzyrea Noooo... not flounder! 22:37 * wizzyrea is reminded of The Little Mermaid and winces a little 22:50 chris things to read about, Cassandra, HBase and Riak 22:50 * chris uses #koha to take notes 22:51 chris_n2 wizzyrea: this is flounder made from whatever was in the fridge on the fly 22:58 wizzyrea she is very droll 22:58 wizzyrea er 22:58 wizzyrea no droll is not the word 22:58 wizzyrea monotone 22:58 wizzyrea dull? 22:58 wizzyrea good info, but dull 22:58 chris selena? 22:58 wizzyrea yea 22:58 wizzyrea at least over the webcast 22:58 chris in person too 22:58 wizzyrea haha 22:58 chris being a presenter is hard 22:59 wizzyrea extremely 22:59 chris just knowing your subject is like 5% 22:59 wizzyrea esp on tech stuff 22:59 chris the rest is charisma 22:59 chris (either real or faked) :) 22:59 wizzyrea hehe 23:00 wizzyrea she makes me feel yawny 23:00 wizzyrea cool hair though 23:00 chris its 15 mins til lunch time, im hungry :) 23:00 wizzyrea ooh, last presenter before lunch, that's a tough spot 23:00 chris yep 23:00 wizzyrea just like the first post lunch spot 23:00 chris it has given me lots of things to read about though 23:01 wizzyrea yeah def 23:01 wizzyrea thx for sending me the stream link, lots of good stuff going on down there 23:02 chris no problem 23:10 chris ok, shutting the laptop, back later 23:15 chris_n2 heya pianohackr|work 23:19 pianohackr|work Hi, chris_n2 23:32 moodaepo @wunder 56001 23:32 munin moodaepo: The current temperature in Mankato, Minnesota is -6.0�C (5:15 PM CST on January 19, 2010). Conditions: Overcast. Humidity: 93%. Dew Point: -7.0�C. Windchill: -12.0�C. Pressure: 29.95 in 1014 hPa (Steady). 23:54 pianohackr|work Does anyone else have a laptop that intermittently freezes whenever something's inserted in one of the USB buses? 23:55 pianohackr|work That sledgehammer in the closet is looking more and more tempting 23:59 chris_n2 hehe